Valar Guild

October 23, 2011 Sunday Meeting

5pm EDT (GMT - 5)
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Transcript work by
Ar-Pharazon and Varda.

Attending: (8)
    AriehnV, ArPharazonV, Eonwe Valar, fladrifv, galdorandwe, GwaihirValar, Indis-(V)/karakedi25, VardaValar1 (presiding)

Meeting begins
    Might and Magic Heroes 6 review
    WoW expansion, reports
    LotRO reports
    Housing in Mirkwood. Housing second go-around.
    Mirkwood, Rivendell, and Lorien's relationships.
    Telepathy , telepathy 2

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Eonwe Valar has entered the room.
fladrifv has entered the room.
VardaValar1 has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya
ArPharazonV: Aiya
ArPharazonV: Was starting to wonder if you guys had hit the end of daylight saving again.
ArPharazonV: Because nobody was here ;-)
VardaValar1: sorry, was answering email and am now 4 minutes late.
VardaValar1: I should be early instead, so my apologies. :-)
ArPharazonV: 4 minutes happens, but usually at least one of you is in the room before the meeting time ;-)
ArPharazonV: Not complaining, just curious.
Eonwe Valar: Heya.
Eonwe Valar: Well, we're here now :}
ArPharazonV: That you are!
fladrifv: opens one eye and waves a branch
fladrifv: the sleepy ent is here too
VardaValar1: yay Flad!
fladrifv: Aiya
VardaValar1: Let's see if I can spot any more folks. :-)
GwaihirValar has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar: I invited all who were on when I walked in.
Eonwe Valar: Gwaihir, Galdor, Gilraen, Menelvagor.
Eonwe Valar: And Gwaihir just walked in :}
VardaValar1: Aye, thank you. :-)
VardaValar1: Aiya Gwaihir :-)
GwaihirValar: hello
VardaValar1: Glad you could all make it!

VardaValar1: Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo!
AriehnV has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Membership:
AriehnV: i am here :-)
VardaValar1: Aiya Arien, just now into Membership, well-timed. :-)
AriehnV: aiya all
VardaValar1: Mirabella-(V) fka Branwyn-(T) had a birthday on the 19th. :-)
AriehnV: happy birthday :-)
VardaValar1: What's happening for you folks? And don't worry about crossing up in talk, we'll sort it out.
ArPharazonV: Got a replacement adapter!
VardaValar1: Huzzah!
ArPharazonV: Got my own 1280/1024 screen back ;-)
VardaValar1: A happy gamer!
ArPharazonV: Now with official Pandaren wallpaper of course ;-)
VardaValar1: Bet your dad's happy to have his back too. ;-)
ArPharazonV: Hah, yes, quite.
AriehnV: nice one grats
galdorandwe has entered the room.
galdorandwe: Aiya
AriehnV: with me not much except for maybe that situation at work has been growing difficult , we are understaffed as it is and the company is forced to lay off a considerable number of staff
VardaValar1: This upcoming weekend my family hopes to go to the Texas Renaissance Festival. With luck it's Fangorn and myself, Sauron and maybe Bilbo, and Meriadoc and Elwing. : )
AriehnV: aiya
VardaValar1: Aiya Galdor!
VardaValar1: Yikes Arien. A lot of work left on those surviving.
AriehnV: we dont know who it will hit and they asked for volunteers who wants to go
AriehnV: if they dont get enough the company will pick
VardaValar1: They should hand out stress balls with those sorts of announcements.
AriehnV: apart from that its a bit of a new rota system which is throwing everything mix and match or mix and not match rather ;-)
AriehnV: amen to that Varda
AriehnV: :-)
VardaValar1: heh
AriehnV: but apart from these little uncertainties everything is in order so far
ArPharazonV: Best to make yourself really valuable then, Arien!
AriehnV: indeed i ll try my best :-)
ArPharazonV: Like removing all the computer codes and passwords and storing them in your head only. They can't get rid of you then.
VardaValar1: Also consider what else you'd like to try your hand at.
VardaValar1: Good luck however it works out!
AriehnV: thanks :-)

VardaValar1: Web:
VardaValar1: I fear I've been slacking and haven't written for the Tolkien Site lately.
VardaValar1: Would the group of writers benefit from having words or ideas as muse suggestions?
VardaValar1: Like a phrase to use, or an emotion or type of being that is included?
VardaValar1: We haven't tried that but some other groups do it. Wondered if you folks had any thoughts on the matter. Like it wouldn't help or great idea.

VardaValar1: Gaming:
VardaValar1: Did we play anything this past week besides WoW or LotRO?
ArPharazonV: Few flashgames as usual...
GwaihirValar: I've been playing Might and Magic Heroes 6 lately... it's a long one lol
VardaValar1: hehe
VardaValar1: Worth your time I hope
GwaihirValar: If you can get past the fact that there are still quite a few bugs, yes very much so
VardaValar1: One hopes they'll get rid of the bugs over time.
GwaihirValar: ya, they haven't released any patches yet so I'm hoping there'll be a bug fix patch soon.
VardaValar1: Sounds likely. Probably collecting info and working it out.

VardaValar1: WoW:
VardaValar1: A new expansion is coming out.
GwaihirValar: Pandamonium!
VardaValar1: Aye :-)
VardaValar1: What have you heard about it? : )
Eonwe Valar: Officially: Mists of Pandaria.
GwaihirValar: my last two days were filled with watching every single section of the livestream save the wow arena tournament from Blizzcon...
Eonwe Valar: I've heard alot of stuff, some I've no objections to, and some I don't like.
ArPharazonV: New race, that is neutral to Horde and Alliance as a whole, but the players need to pick sides at lvl 10 or so...
ArPharazonV: new class, Monk, derived from the race, but available to.. 11 races, I think?
Eonwe Valar: I posted a thread to the forum so we all can discuss what we like and don't like as well, btw :}
GwaihirValar: Nearly every race ya, and it has pokemon
ArPharazonV: New continent, Pandaria. New talent system, complete change. Bigger change than the Cataclysm ones.
GwaihirValar: which is hilarious and... in my eyes... awesome
ArPharazonV: Yes, a companion pet battling system, where you can level them. Should be interesting. Should also be very annoying like an OCD collecting-completionist like I am.
ArPharazonV: *for
ArPharazonV: There's timed challenges for instances where your gear gets "normalized" (meaning everyone gets the right itemlevel/statistics on gear for the appropriate instance to make sure you can't outgear it), scenarios ranging from 3 to 25 man groups that are a bit like battlegrounds but against AI in set scenarios...
ArPharazonV: And some other assorted more minor changes.
ArPharazonV: Did I miss anything important?
ArPharazonV: Some revealed story elements, too. Should be around the web, or on the official sites.
ArPharazonV: for europeans
ArPharazonV: Should be pretty much the same.
GwaihirValar: A complete rework of the talent system, removal of melee weapon for uhnter and ranged slots for everyone else... among a lot of others
ArPharazonV: Yeah, wands are main weapons now too.
ArPharazonV: Oh, and apparently there's no new main villain (like Illidan/Arthas/Deathwing), but it's more pvp oriented in its story-scale, though there are a good number of enemies and raids etc around still.
AriehnV: it sounds very exciting :-)
ArPharazonV: I'm mostly looking forward to a race of what appears to be implied to be some sort of bug-people (they're referred to as a "swarm" anyway) which wakes up every thousand years to consume everything in its path. Reminds me of the Wraiths from Stargate.
AriehnV: i am looking forward to it and bound myself to wow for a year .. lol
ArPharazonV: Of course, this time, they're 100 years early for some reason ;-)
AriehnV: and .. i ll get thingame III for free for it #
AriehnV: Diablo :-)
ArPharazonV: Yes. If you commit to a year's subscription to WoW you get Diablo III for free.
AriehnV: lyup and a mount
ArPharazonV: Seeing as I don't use creditcards and only go with gamecards... if I want Diablo III, I'll just have to buy it myself :-)
AriehnV: and the bet for Panda
AriehnV: beta
AriehnV: i was too curious , Phara
AriehnV: the old curiosity that kills the cat ^^
ArPharazonV: Hm?
AriehnV: i just too curious what this expansions gonna be like :-)
ArPharazonV: Well, check out one of the links above. You won't find much more official information than that.
GwaihirValar: Also if you buy the d3 collector's edition, when you add the key to your acct, they put some of the cost of it towards your 12 month commitment... thus making it not a waste ;-)
ArPharazonV: I also believe the d3 CE contains a USB stick with Diablo I and II on it?
ArPharazonV: Anyway. I don't know if I can tell much more about the expansion.
AriehnV: :-) thanks Phar , sounds fun tho
AriehnV: you forgot to mention that vanity pets will be able to duel
ArPharazonV: No, I mentioned that earlier.
AriehnV: ah right didnt see it
ArPharazonV: Shortly.
GwaihirValar: nah that was the part about pokemon ;-)
AriehnV: hehe
VardaValar1: ArPharazon-V: Yes, a companion pet battling system, where you can level them. Should be interesting. Should also be very annoying like an OCD collecting-completionist like I am.
VardaValar1: :-)
ArPharazonV: Yes. Duelling with levelling companion pets which you can also face, defeat and capture in the wild.
ArPharazonV: Nobody can deny that's a blatant Pokemon ripoff (or... homage?).
GwaihirValar: Well people have been clamoring for a pokemon mmo for a loooong time... so I guess Blizzard decided that waiting for Nintendo to do it was a waste ;-)
karakedi25 has entered the room.
karakedi25: aiya
VardaValar1: Aiya Indis
karakedi25: Am in the dragon raid, so may have even less to say than usual
ArPharazonV: What, Deathwing?
VardaValar1: Hope this doesn't make you lag too much. Good luck.
ArPharazonV: Or.. right. LotRO.
VardaValar1: Draigoch. New instance.
karakedi25: yep
VardaValar1: Top one right now.
VardaValar1: Guess you're right, Gwaihir. :-)

VardaValar1: Eonwe, can you give the WoW report for Lothar server?
Eonwe Valar: Sure.
Eonwe Valar: Sunday Run:
AriehnV: (sunday ruin ^^)
Eonwe Valar: Attending: Members: Varda, Eonwë, Arien, Elwing, Eowyn (and I get the feeling I got someone wrong and someone else should be here).
Eonwe Valar: Guild Friends: Lumierre, who has decided he wants to be called "Kaz" as his guild friend name to make it easier than remembering all his characters.
Eonwe Valar: We didn't have enough for ICC, so we gave Tempest Keep a try, and found the Mind Control harder to deal with than in the past.
Eonwe Valar: Add Fangorn to the Attending list :}
Eonwe Valar: I remember his being there :}
VardaValar1: Aye, he was. :-)
ArPharazonV: Ah, yes, Kael'thas' mind-control. The reason we had so much trouble with him when 4-manning the place 2 days ago...
Eonwe Valar: Yeah, guess we had more mages in the past to polymorph.
Eonwe Valar: The dagger doesn't help when the bearer gets mind-controlled, heh.
Eonwe Valar: Friday Run:
ArPharazonV: Oh, small related thing, they're scaling down health and mana and stat differences from 1 to 85 in WoW, to keep stats from going out of control. Should make it harder to solo or small-raid those places.
ArPharazonV: And it helps if your tank uses the dagger, like for us, tank doesn't get mindcontrolled ;-)
Eonwe Valar: In theory they're scaling mob stuff too.
Eonwe Valar: I was the tank, and Paladins can't use daggers :}
ArPharazonV: Yes. But the level-differences will become smaller.
ArPharazonV: Ah, yes, that's a problem :-)
Eonwe Valar: And aye. I'm not looking forward to that.
Eonwe Valar: Back to the Friday Run report:
Eonwe Valar: Attending: Elwing, Eowyn, Sauron, Eonwë
Eonwe Valar: We did the Horseman for rings and quick guild exp, then ran normal Grim Batol.
Eonwe Valar: (through the RDF)
Eonwe Valar: Today, the plan was to continue where we left off from ICC last week, but since we didn't start there we'd be starting at the beginning, assuming we had enough to try it. Otherwise, we'll find something else to do.
Eonwe Valar: And aye, I hope we can go back and get most/all of the old raid guild achievements *before* the 5.0 patch, so we don't have to deal with the more tightly-packed stats.
Eonwe Valar: That's it for my reports.
VardaValar1: Thank you, Eonwe. :-)

VardaValar1: LotRO:
VardaValar1: Monday we got together for the Culling Pit, and Wednesday we did a 6-man Prancing Pony skirmish.
VardaValar1: This let some of us see the skirmish in the smalller version before our first ever [Saturday] 12-man skirmish uniting the daytime gamers and the evening gamers.
VardaValar1: That went so well that we did two more 12 man skirmishes right after. It was a huge success. No wipes, some upgrades, and we learned a lot. We picked up some confidence too. :-)
VardaValar1: A screenie is on the forum from Miriel. Others may post theirs if they like. :-)
VardaValar1: Any other comments for LotRO?

VardaValar1: Tolkien:
VardaValar1: For the forum story rp'ers, be sure to check out the forum and consider what your character will want to do in Rivendell. The Fellowship is present.
Eonwe Valar: I still need to add my last post for the current thread. My apologies for not getting to it as soon as I expected.
VardaValar1: Does anyone have a topic or question or a favorite moment they would like to share?
AriehnV: i posted a short reaction of Frali on arrival in Rivendell
VardaValar1: Thanks Arien. :-)
VardaValar1: We have one suggestion for a topic. Any others?
ArPharazonV: Oh, I was wondering if I made a good post for the RP.
ArPharazonV: I believe I was in doubt about some bits when I wrote it.
VardaValar1: heh
ArPharazonV: Assumed too much perhaps.

ArPharazonV: Well, for a start: Was I right about caves and tree-dwellings, or do we have any information on any "normal" housing used by the Silvans?
VardaValar1: There's a group of raft-elves outside Mirkwood that use more house-like dwellings.

ArPharazonV: Also, did Oropher (I think that was his name) and the other Sindar coming to Mirkwood, have any memory of Rivendell, had they been there? Or was it before the time they moved there?
ArPharazonV: Yes, I was thinking about that, but not sure.
VardaValar1: Oropher came over to Mirkwood with his son Thranduil, and the rest of his household, aye.
Eonwe Valar has left the room.
ArPharazonV: ehrr yes, sorry, I meant if they came to Mirkwood before Rivendell was founded, and had they ever dwelt there, if Rivendell was older?
VardaValar1: They weren't very friendly with the Noldor, but they surely knew at least something about what was going on with their neighbors.
Eonwe Valar has entered the room.
VardaValar1: They did not dwell in Rivendell, but came over from Doriath
ArPharazonV: So they reached Mirkwood in the First Age?
Eonwe Valar: Bah. What'd I missed?
ArPharazonV: Eonwe Valar has left the room.ArPharazonV: ehrr yes, sorry, I meant if they came to Mirkwood before Rivendell was founded, and had they ever dwelt there, if Rivendell was older?VardaValar1: They weren't very friendly with the Noldor, but they surely knew at least something about what was going on with their neighbors.Eonwe Valar has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar: The Silvans living in the Greenwood and Lothlorien areas would've been Eldar from the original Journey from Cuivienen, who turned back at the Misty Mountains. They would've been there during the Ages of the Trees.
ArPharazonV: Also, was my meaning clear with the "travelling diplomats"? I was referring to people in the service of the leaders and kings who would travel to other kingdoms to maintain relations.
ArPharazonV: I meant the Sindar who ended up ruling them, Eonwe. Oropher, Thranduil, their kin.
VardaValar1: Thranduil's people seemed somewhat reclusive, hardly any contact with Lorien for instance.
VardaValar1: But Legolas knew how to ride solo to Rivendell, so they must have had some contact.
ArPharazonV: Aye.
ArPharazonV: Anyway, I'm sure you've seen my post (made it on wednesday) so if there are any other inconsistencies I need to correct, tell me :-)
galdorandwe: Is it possible that during the 2nd age when Elrond moved everyone from Eregion to Imladris, word was sent to Oropher and his group about the move?
Eonwe Valar: OK, the Sindarin rulers would've moved east probably during the Second Age, as Beleriand was mostly ruled at the end of the First. All the lore I remember indicates that to me.
Eonwe Valar: ruled = ruined
VardaValar1: They would have heard the news, but contact would have been low.
ArPharazonV: So when I refer to Sindarin nobles who still remember Rivendell from before settling into Mirkwood... I was off by about... 1600 years? :-)
VardaValar1: The Sindarin nobles in Mirkwood would have all belonged to the House of Oropher, House of Thranduil
galdorandwe: I once asked in kinchat was it must have been like for Thraduil to meet up with Cirdan [Celeborn] after the downfall od Dol Guldur. It's not everyday "rulers" of the elves cross paths after the 1st age. I imagine contact was few and far between. Did Elrond have the ability to communicate with any of them from afar?
VardaValar1: Gandalf moved between the groups and probably helped keep up some contact.
Eonwe Valar: Aye, probably, hehe.
galdorandwe: Oh, great point
Eonwe Valar: *My response to Phar.
ArPharazonV: If you believe the movies, he had a telepathic link to Galadriel ;-)
VardaValar1: Thranduil had no Ring like Elrond and Galadriel.
ArPharazonV: Could've been ring-based, true.
ArPharazonV: ..That scene of the movie just makes so much more sense to me.
galdorandwe: was there trade between them?
VardaValar1: There was telepathy used by Elrond, Galadriel, and Gandalf during the trip to Rohan with Theoden's body. They seemed adept. It was nearby.
VardaValar1: Did they use it a at a distance?
VardaValar1: Elrond and Gandalf knew when to raise the river to save Frodo after he crossed over. I don't know if that was telepathy or ring work.
VardaValar1: Lorien and Rivendell did have people going between them, and relatives.
VardaValar1: JRRT was great on making implications. But as far as hard and fast stating that they commonly used telepathy at a distance even betweeen the rulers, I don't remember that.
VardaValar1: It's possible. Especially between Elrond and Galadriel.
ArPharazonV: Might be through the Rings then.
ArPharazonV: Especially if Gandalf communicated with them as well.
VardaValar1: We know Gildor sent messages a long way around, but it doesn't say how. He was Noldo.
Eonwe Valar: Elrond and Gandalf seemed to know what was going on in their realms in a general sense.
Eonwe Valar: For a bad analogy, I'd say something akin to the Girdle of Melian.
VardaValar1: The elven rulers did seem to have a feel for their realm areas, aye. All three. More so with the Rings I think.
VardaValar1: Gildor may be our clue.
VardaValar1: Thranduil would probably have blocked any tries at telepathy from the Noldor, at my guess.
ArPharazonV: Get.. out.. of.. my head!!
VardaValar1: hehe - like that, right.
VardaValar1: Oropher and Thranduil wanted to go back to living in Middle-earth as they believed should have been done all along, the way the Silvans lived. So they had a very different philosophy.
VardaValar1: Legolas grew up with the Silvans and was a product of that sort of upbringing. So he thought of himself more as one with the Silvans than with the Noldor.
ArPharazonV: Well, I might change it to the "diplomats" only then, maybe add that their activities were rare.
VardaValar1: Kind of wandered off. Did we help any, Phar?
ArPharazonV: Yeah, you did.
VardaValar1: o good :-)

ArPharazonV: Just not sure what to do about the housing yet.
VardaValar1: In Mirkwood, we were shown feasting areas out in the woods. Flets in the trees. A Menegroth-like cave for the castle keep, probably good for bringing the people into in case of a bad attack?
ArPharazonV: Aye. So far so good.
VardaValar1: They were under almost constant attack, so ground housing may have been considered vulnerable.
ArPharazonV: For reference, I'll grab the line from my post
ArPharazonV: Coming from a realm of caves and tree-dwellings, with the only stone buildings he had known being of human make, he was baffled by the grand structures of the Noldor
VardaValar1: They may have had a little, since they knew how to make such housing.
ArPharazonV: Hmm.
VardaValar1: Aye, the structures in Rivendell would have been quite alien. :-)
ArPharazonV: So is it accurate enough to stand? :-)
VardaValar1: saying the diplomats remembered Riv from their own journeys is probably true.
ArPharazonV: Yes, but not the Sindarin nobles.
VardaValar1: Legolas was a Sindarin noble, royal even, so maybe a few nobles at least?
ArPharazonV: True. The journeys don't technically have to refer to pre-settling in Mirkwood.
VardaValar1: It is quite likely they were after settling in Mirkwood.
ArPharazonV: Indeed. Since Rivendell was founded some centuries later.
VardaValar1: Some of the older members of Oropher's household, if any survived the Last Alliance, might have traveled a little.
VardaValar1: but like you said, time :-)
ArPharazonV: Just like Orcs and Elves in WoW RPing they were born in Durotar and Darnassus.... chronology is always the big spoiler!
VardaValar1: eheh
VardaValar1: We're coming up on the end of our second hour of meeting.

VardaValar1: I would like next time to try Eonwe's topic on mythological creatures in Tolkien's writings. :-)
ArPharazonV: Well, I didn't exactly mean to hog the Tolkien topic, but I just wanted my questions out of the way before there was more posting.
ArPharazonV: Did not expect it to take so long!
VardaValar1: They were interesting. :-)
VardaValar1: Thank you for food for thought.
ArPharazonV: Allrighty then.

VardaValar1: What indeed can we say about telepathy among the elves? Did Gildor use it to send messages? They sure got around a lot of places fast.
VardaValar1: We don't hear of Legolas using it, but he can hear stones' memories
AriehnV: well the leaders of the elves and gandalf certainly seemed to use it
AriehnV: in the last chapter .. the Grey Havens Gandalf, Elrond and Galadriel are seen sitting silently or seemingly silent around a fire
ArPharazonV: Well, as said, they each had a Ring. That might have something to do with it.
VardaValar1: Maybe the Rings weren't totally drained yet? The One Ring had only recently been destroyed.
VardaValar1: Or their fear reached enough from their bodies to speak directly?
AriehnV: well if people are very fearful or afraid they fidget or their body positions are a bit more cramped then usual or faces show what they feel
AriehnV: fear or other strong emotions certainly are not going unnoticed by most people :-)
VardaValar1: heh
VardaValar1: Fea, plural is Fear. I need some diacritical marks. That really was not clear.
VardaValar1: as in spirits.
AriehnV: hehe
AriehnV: ok
ArPharazonV: Ah, I didn't see that either, I was wondering what you meant with fear
AriehnV: One thing is for sure the Elven mind and spirit was a lot more receptive and sensitive than the human mind
AriehnV: i do not think it impossible they were able to communicate telepathically with each other .. remember they crafted the Palantiri for the Edain to help them keep watch over their lands and communicate
AriehnV: if they gave them away , the Elves themselves had no need for them
karakedi25: Didn't Feanor make the Palantiri--and I assume that wasn't for the sake of the Edain
karakedi25: I believe he was dead before the edain showed up
VardaValar1: Feanor was not particularly keen on the Edain, heh.
karakedi25: they weren't even on his screen, so to speak
VardaValar1: hmm, that might be right. It was his sons that were around a long time.
karakedi25: (break in fight, after a wipe)
VardaValar1: We're about to shut down, so it's good you got a chance to say something first! Thanks
ArPharazonV: And wasn't there a master stone on Eressea?
ArPharazonV: Guess the Elves kept that one.
AriehnV: aye
karakedi25: Master stone was originally on Amon Sul, I thought.
karakedi25: or not originally, but before the last king took it
karakedi25: and lost it
ArPharazonV: There was a sort of hierarchy among the stones. Not one master and a ton of equal "minions". There was the *actual* master stone on Eressea, that I think kept in direct contact with the one in Elostirion
karakedi25: *nod*
ArPharazonV: And there were two "master" stones among the 7 on Middle-Earth as well, as I recall. The one of Amon Sul in the North, and the one in Osgiliath in the South.
ArPharazonV: Not sure about the Osgiliath one.
AriehnV: Osgiliath's stone might be the one that ended up in Denethor's posession
AriehnV: one was also put in Orthanc with Saruman as its keeper .. how that ended we know ^^
Eonwe Valar: I'm pretty sure the Osgiliath-stone was lost in the Anduin, actually.
ArPharazonV: Hmm nah. Minas Anor had its own Stone. The one in Osgiliath was lost in the river.
ArPharazonV: And Sauron took the one in Minas Ithil.
AriehnV: ah right aye
ArPharazonV: And yes, Isengard had one too.
Eonwe Valar: Fornost, the Weather Hills, and Tower Hills are where the 3 in the North were, Osgiliath, Isengard, Minas Anor, and Minas Ithil in the South.
ArPharazonV: For the Hills, specifically the towers of Elostirion and Amon Sul.
ArPharazonV: Or.. other way around.
VardaValar1: We could use a proper article on the Palantiri. We have chatted about them a number of times over the years, but somehow no actual article.
Eonwe Valar: Can't believe we don't have one yet.
VardaValar1: Not a full one. It's crazy, aye. :-)

VardaValar1: I see a lot of odd holes. I think it's because we think that was surely covered already.
ArPharazonV: We should make.. a checklist. Obvious topics that are so obvious nobody bothers to make an article of to the point that there are actually no articles yet.
ArPharazonV: Or would that be too subjective?
Eonwe Valar: Varda has a checklist somewhere in the Encyclopedia pages of stuff we need articles on.
Eonwe Valar: (I say "somewhere" only because I haven't looked for it recently, not because it's necessarily buried where no one can find it)
VardaValar1: I do, could use updates. :-)
VardaValar1: Any name on the index of any type with no link could use an article.
VardaValar1: I put some there as reminders as well as being helpful that they are in the subject.
VardaValar1: Not enough are coming into WoW so the scheduled run is canceled.
VardaValar1: Shall we pull out this little old gavel?
VardaValar1: *swinnnnng*
VardaValar1: *thonk*

VardaValar1: After-meeting!
VardaValar1: You're free!
VardaValar1: You were always free. :-)
VardaValar1: Thanks for coming. :-)
ArPharazonV: I'm free? I'm free??
ArPharazonV: *steps out of cave* ohh, the sun! I have not seen you for so long...
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VardaValar1: Arien, Phar got out!
ArPharazonV: *waves up at Arien* And you said I was free, Varda!
VardaValar1: hmm, must be time for the end of Arda.
VardaValar1: True
VardaValar1: Well, guess if you're out the whole place is about to explode.
VardaValar1: I wonder if Phar ever does get a vacation? :-)
ArPharazonV: Place about to explode, eh?
ArPharazonV: Should I just... walk back in then?
VardaValar1: Galdor had to leave to restart his computer. The audio went out. More signs the place is going?
ArPharazonV: I don't want ot explode.
ArPharazonV: *to
VardaValar1: *shrugs* I'll survive the explosion. Oh, you don't want to explode? Bummer.
VardaValar1: Take in some new supplies at least. Get a sun roof.
ArPharazonV: Oh, I might do that.
VardaValar1: New throw pillows, drapes.
VardaValar1: Food even. And a few kegs.
ArPharazonV: Hang up some lamps.
VardaValar1: Some digging tools to add on some rooms.
VardaValar1: Hobbits have some ideas on that.
VardaValar1: A new stove might be good.
ArPharazonV: Hmm. Minecraft?
Eonwe Valar: No Hobbits for Pharazon. We brought them all to Aman for Hobbit cuisine :}
ArPharazonV: I'm on Aman, aren't I? :-)
VardaValar1: hmmm, maybe a phone line to talk to hobbits?
VardaValar1: Well, in it.
ArPharazonV: Under it. In it. On it. Semantics.
VardaValar1: hehe
VardaValar1: Take care, good friends. :-) See you another time!
ArPharazonV: Namarie!
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AriehnV: hehe good night late nights ^^
AriehnV: behave :-)
AriehnV: Namarie
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karakedi25: namarie
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