Valar Guild

October 16, 2011 Sunday Meeting

5pm EDT (GMT - 5)
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Transcript work by
Ar-Pharazon and Varda.

Attending: (8)
    AriehnV, ArPharazonV, Eonwe Valar (presiding), fladrifv, GwaihirValar, Indis-(V)/karakedi25, Menelvagor Valar, VardaValar1

Meeting begins
    Ar-Pharazon's continuing computer saga.
    Screenshots of the Anniversary done by the WoW folk
    Menelvagor's change in gaming areas
    Forum story RP
    Topic: What kind of landforms, vegetation, and peoples can we expect in the area between Rivendell and the Witch-King's former domain?
    WoW group met and ran intstance.
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Eonwe Valar has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar: Heya.
ArPharazonV: Aiya
Eonwe Valar: How goes it?
ArPharazonV: good, got my dailies done in the afternoon this sunday, so nothing to distract me from meeting ;-)
ArPharazonV: And at 96 Tol Barad victories, so I should finish in the next week :-)
VardaValar1 has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya
ArPharazonV: Aiya
Eonwe Valar: Good to hear, Phar :}
ArPharazonV: Aiya
ArPharazonV: ehrr
ArPharazonV: I already did that.
Eonwe Valar: Sending out invites, then I'm going to grab a drink real quick before we start :}
VardaValar1: :-)
GwaihirValar has entered the room.
GwaihirValar: hullo folks
Eonwe Valar: Heya Gwaihir :}
VardaValar1: Aiya Gwaihir :-)
AriehnV has entered the room.
AriehnV: aiya all
VardaValar1: Aiya Arien :-)
ArPharazonV: Aiya!
Eonwe Valar: OK, let's go ahead and being the meeting. Latecomers can catch up :}
VardaValar1: Right-o!
VardaValar1: Gavel away, Eonwe!

Eonwe Valar: Elen Sila Lumenn Omentielvo!
Eonwe Valar: Membership:
Eonwe Valar: You all are here :} Anything from you?
ArPharazonV: Well, bit of sequel to last week
VardaValar1: All good here. :-)
Eonwe Valar: Go ahead, Phar.
Eonwe Valar: If you'd like :}
ArPharazonV: Took the broken monitor to the shop, turned out it was the adapter (which didn't look very well, I must admit, something probably melted in it or something).
VardaValar1: Think you've been using that comp!
ArPharazonV: Spent the rest of the week still using my dad's monitor (he's not too happy about that) and looking for a spare adapter, but today finally managed to order one online, should arrive Tuesday. And I hope that fixes it :-)
Eonwe Valar: Good luck :}
ArPharazonV: thanks
VardaValar1: Going to have to do something nice for you dad now. :-)
VardaValar1: Make a pie!
ArPharazonV: Hah. Maybe.
Eonwe Valar: I guess there's no other member news...

Eonwe Valar: Web:
Eonwe Valar: The Pics from the 14th Anniversary celebration on WoW are now up on the Games Site, under Lothar Events.
VardaValar1: Woot!
Eonwe Valar: I tried to pick the best one from every location, but thought Darnassus had 2 good ones, and thus that one has 2 pics.
VardaValar1: Elves, they know how to do pretty. ^^
Eonwe Valar: Of course, "good" and "best" is in the eye of the photographer, and as that was yours truly, you'll have to settle for my humble opinion :}
VardaValar1: Sounds good. :-)
Eonwe Valar has left the room.
Eonwe Valar has entered the room.
VardaValar1: No web news here.
Eonwe Valar: OK.
Eonwe Valar: On to Gaming before AIM boots me again, hehe.

Eonwe Valar: Gaming:

Eonwe Valar: WoW:
Eonwe Valar: Sunday Run:
Eonwe Valar: Attending: Eonwe, Varda, Eowyn, Elwing, ArienWe ran Molten Core for rep, then called it. It's a shame we had no Rogues in the group, because we saw 5 of the 8 pieces of Nightslayer drop. Eonwe Valar: Friday Run:
VardaValar1: Aye, the game knew we had no Rogue!
Eonwe Valar: Friday guild run. Eonwe came in late, but found Varda, Fangorn, Eowyn, Bilbo, and Sauron on.Fangorn, Eowyn, Bilbo, Sauron, and Eonwe ran a random normal dungeon, ending up in Lost City of the Tol'vir (yet again, hehe), and then gave a heroic a try, ending up in Grim Batol. We didn't quite make it through, getting stuck on the last boss. VardaValar1: Eowyn was running her newly 85 healing priest. :-)
Eonwe Valar: Our goal tonight is to revisit Icecrown Citadel, should we have to manpower to do so.
Eonwe Valar: I also look forward to facing the Headless Horseman this week :}
VardaValar1: o right!
Eonwe Valar: Don't forget to do the Hallow's End achievements for "What a Long, Strange Trip it's been" :} COmpleting that Meta-Achievmeent is a 4k gold saver.
Eonwe Valar: (It awards Master flying if you don't already have it, plus gives a mount).

Eonwe Valar: LotRO:
Eonwe Valar: Turbine's LotRO forums are having problems apparently.
Eonwe Valar: You can read a little more info about it here:
VardaValar1: You can still get into
Eonwe Valar: Aye, the main website is fine, just the forums are having issues.
Eonwe Valar: And now I yield the floor to Varda for the LotRO reports and any other LotRO news :}
karakedi25 has entered the room.
karakedi25: Aiya
VardaValar1: Thank you, Eonwe
VardaValar1: Aiya Indis :-)
VardaValar1: For the Monday Culling Pit run, we ran it for both the day and evening groups successfully.
VardaValar1: The day group participants were Miriel, Annael, Hurin, Cirdan, Thranduil, and Irmo.
VardaValar1: The evening group was of Eomer, Galdor, Gildor, Gorlim, Melkor, and Nimrodel.
VardaValar1: Then we ran it again by request on Wednesday, but most of the requesters couldn't come. However we had several other members non-kinned who needed it.
VardaValar1: They were Bofur, Dis, and Indis. Aid was given by Gildor, Nimrodel, and Varda.
VardaValar1: This weekend we've been running the first Kinship Auction. :-)
VardaValar1: We had so much surplus good stuff at once from the expansion that we had no way to store it or know who needed what across the day.
VardaValar1: This solved all those problems at once. It's still going to the end of today, for those of you who are in LotRO.
VardaValar1: We have a lot of high level stuff and even low level, especially resources
VardaValar1: We also have some level 75 LI's in the kin house. (A batch are LM goodies, have to get Indis to check on!)
karakedi25: I'll get Mereniel in shortly to check.
VardaValar1: Great!
karakedi25: Alasse can't use the kin auction.
VardaValar1: We are kind of considering doing the kin AH again
VardaValar1: Sure, but all the rest of your characters can and can pick up stuff for her if you like.
VardaValar1: The LM stuff is in the kin house, for when you have Mereniel look.
karakedi25: Let me also mention that Varda helped me and Dis in the horrible Pit of Iron, after the Culling Pit, and I now feel reasonably oriented there.
VardaValar1: That's all I have on LotRO. Anyone else?
VardaValar1: ahh, I have a couple of Pit of Iron map links on the News that might help.
VardaValar1: Very hard to reach Lunt at the top, from invisible holes in the high walkway.
VardaValar1: Can be done.
karakedi25: I saw one of them, anyway. The humorous one.
VardaValar1: It was good except for showing where Lunt is, so there's a second one that came up recenty now showing with it.
VardaValar1: The person making the first map by hand (Silently) was doing it the same time I was mapping and we had a good time. :-)
VardaValar1: He later saw Nellas in there and recognized the guild name and helped her, so we have a friend. :-)
karakedi25: great--did you tell him about the friend channel?
VardaValar1: Nope, not yet. I may later.
VardaValar1: That's all my news.
Eonwe Valar: Thanks :}
VardaValar1: :-)
Eonwe Valar: Any other gaming news before we move to Tolkien?

VardaValar1: BroodWar gaming by Sauron, Fangorn, and myself.
VardaValar1: SC2 by Bilbo and Sauron.
ArPharazonV: Nothing from me. We didn't actually do any SC2 this week, people seem to have been busy.
Eonwe Valar: Ok.

Eonwe Valar: Tolkien:
Eonwe Valar: Quick mention on the RP. Anyone who hasn't made their final post for the arrival at Rivendell should do so soon. I plan to make my last one this week.
fladrifv has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya Fladrif :-)
ArPharazonV: Hmm. Will need to reread the last few posts, but I don't think I have anything crucial to say.
VardaValar1: Just everyone's impression of seeing Rivendell as we're coming towards it.
Eonwe Valar: I plan on ending it with words akin to "He was home." Seems pretty final to me, so I planned to lock it afterward. Then we can take a break to plan our next move in the story, and we'll be picking up with a fresh arc.
AriehnV: oki
ArPharazonV: Ah, so we need to write a post *about* our arrival at Rivendell? I thought we would be doing that at the start of the next thread.
VardaValar1: It's seeing it at a distance as we are coming up. Not there quite yet.
ArPharazonV: Very well, I'll cook something up tomorrow.
Eonwe Valar: The arrival itself. We can pick up any business in Rivendell with the beginning of the next arc's first chapter.
Eonwe Valar: Anything else about the RP? Feel free to whisper me Tolkien topics at this point too.
Eonwe Valar: OK.

Eonwe Valar: You all get my topic :}
Eonwe Valar: Since we're wrapping up the Scouting Ahead arc, and moving to an arc targetted at Angmar, let's discuss that. What kind of landforms, vegetation, and peoples can we expect in the area between Rivendell and the Witch-King's former domain?
Eonwe Valar: Can we expect any allies? Any foes? Open wilderness with no human inhabitants?
VardaValar1: We should see a drastic change, if there's evil around Angmar. Oh, there's evil around Angmar!
ArPharazonV: What do we know of the area between Rivendell and Angmar? Forests with trolls?
Eonwe Valar: We know there were 3 trolls in the Trollshaws.
Eonwe Valar: Which brings another question. What path would we take from Rivendell to Angmar?
VardaValar1: Suppose we might see barrow-wights in the Angmar area, since there are Numenorean mounds there, plus maybe some activity from Necromancer-trained baddies?
Eonwe Valar: Would wights really be that much of a concern for Elves?
VardaValar1: On the route, would we be able to travel along the edge of the Misty Mountains?
karakedi25: elves might want to put wights to rest, if nothing else
VardaValar1: Elves are unafraid of human ghosts, but the wraiths in the mounds are not human ghosts. They were evil spirits sent to re-animate the dead bodies.
ArPharazonV: I think I'll go fetch the Atlas.
VardaValar1: I guess we could take a longer way around, not mountainous, like near Bree-land.
Eonwe Valar: Fair enough. Wights might be a "concern" in that they're not going "oh no, wights!" but they may be a hindrance.
VardaValar1: Run into quite a different batch of people.
Eonwe Valar: *Wights might not be a concern
VardaValar1: Aye, not a terror, but they can pick up swords, maybe bring up hindering fog?
ArPharazonV: What would our horses think of them?
VardaValar1: A bit of attempted back-stabbing. And in Angmar, they can hide in the ruins and come up in bad spots.
VardaValar1: In the ruins, we may have to leave the horses.
VardaValar1: The horses would possibly react like Merry's ponies, but less badly.
Eonwe Valar: Asfaloth stood against the Nazgul. I think our Elf-horses could stand against a few wights. Frali's Dwarf-pony, on the other hand, hehe.
ArPharazonV: By the way, where in Angmar are we headed? Going directly to Carn Dum, or stopping at Mount Gundabad?
VardaValar1: The elf-horses might help the pony?
Eonwe Valar: It's possible. I certainly wouldn't have the pony bolting every time we come across wights. But it's a thought if they enter the fray for the first time at least.
ArPharazonV: Maybe we have a bold little pony eager to prove itself among the bigger horses? ;-)
Eonwe Valar: Hehe.
VardaValar1: A pony can be very steady, one reason people like them.
Eonwe Valar: I was just throwing out a potential reaction. We can figure out specifics if the event arises in the story.
VardaValar1: We have been going through some unpleasant territory, full of spiders, orcs, darkness, thick trees and the pony seemed to be doing ok.
VardaValar1: Aye, it's a good possible addition for interest.
Eonwe Valar: Gimli did ok with darkness and orcs, but we saw what happened at the Stone of Erech :}
VardaValar1: One thing about a more mixed group is we can have more types of reactions. We're mostly elves.
Eonwe Valar: Aye.
VardaValar1: Gimli was not fond of ghost-filled caverns.
Eonwe Valar: Even among the Elves, there's no reason to necessarily react alike.
Eonwe Valar: Besides not screaming at the top of your lungs and running from ghosts in a panic, anyway :}
VardaValar1: These are not human ghosts, which hold no terror for a full elf.
VardaValar1: hehe
VardaValar1: We can't hear them breathing when they're in hiding, and they can hold completely still. They could be good at surprise attacks.
VardaValar1: We should expect at least goblins and probably orcs.
VardaValar1: What about that Mt. Gundabad question?
ArPharazonV: Well, I've got the Misty Mountains map from the Atlas here in front of me.
Eonwe Valar: Well I'm saying that the more soldier-oriented Elves of Mirkwood may be more used to those strange things you see in a dark wood near the borders of Dol Guldor, than a more scholarly-oritented Elf, whos greater experience of those "ghostly things" might be from lore, for example.
Eonwe Valar: *scholarly-oriented
ArPharazonV: Following the mountains up north, we get a fair bit through woods and across a river, and finally reaching Mount Gundabad. If we're heading to Carn Dum, however, the journey is about.. 50% longer.
Eonwe Valar: Legolas had never seen a Balrog, for example. Even if he had, though, he'd probably be smart be more than a little concerned.
ArPharazonV: So where in Angmar are we actually going?
VardaValar1: He recognized it though. Probably the boogey-man in stories he'd heard as an elfling as well. :-)
Eonwe Valar: We may not actually know *where* in Angmar yet. We may have to get there, then figure out by clues within that land where we should go.
VardaValar1: What kind of clues should we let our characters find and already have?
Eonwe Valar: I don't believe any of our story pointer to Angmar have mentioned a specific place, so we can hav efun with that.
VardaValar1: A possible connection between the brothers?
ArPharazonV: Possibly. Or we may find some clues in Rivendell.
VardaValar1: We made a big deal out of the sword and its runes, maybe something from that or using that?
Eonwe Valar: Would any of our Mirkwood scouts be used to tracking?
VardaValar1: Yes.
VardaValar1: What would we be tracking?
VardaValar1: Follow the brother?
VardaValar1: Trail's getting cold.
Eonwe Valar: At the simplest, presumably an Elf.
karakedi25: I'd guess we'd leave the sword in Rivendell, after extracting all the information we can with the help of the resources there.
ArPharazonV: We'd be best off heading to the most southern point of Angmar if we don't know any better, since that'd be closest. That'd be about.. Gundabad, I think.
Eonwe Valar: GOing to/near GUndabad offers some great moments for the Dwarf in our team.
Eonwe Valar: Recalling my Dwarf-lore and assuming it's not rusty, Gundabad was where Durin awoke before coming south to Moria, and for a long time it was where the Dwarf-houses met together for common council.
VardaValar1: aye :-) The place of Durin :-)
ArPharazonV: That could be interesting.
Eonwe Valar: It's one of the very big sore-points between orsc and Dwarves, that the Orcs occupy it.
Eonwe Valar: *orsc = orcs
ArPharazonV: I say we take it back then!
VardaValar1: Gundabad stands apart from the other mountains in the range.
VardaValar1: It's almost like holy ground for the dwarves.
Eonwe Valar: On the sword: leaving it in Rivendell is probably a good idea if we're continuing to operate in relative secrecy.
VardaValar1: So the good we get from it would be maybe the style of runes, and/or the kind of power they have?
Eonwe Valar: Or rather, not taking it with us.
VardaValar1: Aye to what you and Indis said. Leave the sword. It would give us away.
ArPharazonV: Or maybe we can analyze it in Rivendell and glean a bit of a general direction of where we need to go, like a compass!
Eonwe Valar: An idea of what we may be up against.
VardaValar1: But would we even go to Mt. Gundabad, with it being rather separate from the rest of the range?
Eonwe Valar: Let me find that spot in my Atlas for better reference, hehe.
ArPharazonV: Well, unless my map betrays me, it should be accessible. And am I wrong in thinking it's a part of Angmar?
VardaValar1: I think it is a bit east of the Mountains of Angmar?
VardaValar1: I should use the same map you are, heh. That would put us on the same page literally.
ArPharazonV: Page 80 for me. The Misty Mountains.
Eonwe Valar: From the map in the Atlas I'm looking at, it looks like it sits more or less at the hinge between the Mitsy and the Grey Mountains.
Eonwe Valar: Not that I'm suggesting we have a "Mines of MOria" moment, but I wouldn't be surprised if we could find openings into each of the areas beyond.
Eonwe Valar: *from Gundabad. If not inside, then likely passes through the mountains themselves.
Eonwe Valar: But aye, further west towards Carn Dum, where the mountains appear to drop off, would be the obvious road.
Eonwe Valar: Mount Gram looks like it's somewhat out there alone above the Ettenmoors. No major peaks near it.
ArPharazonV: What is the source for Mount Gram? I don't remember it at all.
ArPharazonV: Nor the Coldfells, for that matter.
Eonwe Valar: Mount Gram was apparently home to the Orcs who attacked the Shire in 2747 TA.
Eonwe Valar: Mentioned in the Hobbit.
Eonwe Valar: (Going by my Complete Guide for quick reference)
Eonwe Valar: I wouldn't be surprised if Mount Gram was originally another Dwarf stronghold taken by Orcs.
VardaValar1: ok, on that pg. 80, still looks as if Gundaband would be east of our path if we're on the west side of the Misty Mts.
ArPharazonV: If Mount Gram is Orc territory, I'd think the entire area in between would be infested with orcs as well. Unless we go to the west of Mount Gram, we'll surely run into them.
VardaValar1: Wow, hadn't thought about how Rivendell is practically in old Rhudaur.
Eonwe Valar: I opened my FotR to try and compare the location of Gundabad, and that didn't make it any easier, hehe.
Eonwe Valar: Good point, Phar.
Eonwe Valar: And Aye, we might have some trouble going carefully through RHudaur as well, if there are remnants of the hill-men allied with Angmar in the area.
VardaValar1: This doesn't show any roads out there. Maybe another map?
VardaValar1: The Great East Road goes east-west and we're heading north.
Eonwe Valar: Consider Rhudar hasn't been peopled by a nation that would build major roads for at least half the First Age.
Eonwe Valar: *half the Third Age, pardon.
VardaValar1: Oh, I see. Mt. Gram is way west, if we go around the Wild and the mountainous areas.
VardaValar1: This looks like a long journey.
Eonwe Valar: Going between Mount Gram and Mount GUndabad would be a treacherous area, since both are held by orcs.
ArPharazonV: It's a trap?
VardaValar1: It was fall when the Fellowship left Rivendell, so this is maybe just before fall or near? So we're looking at hitting winter?
Eonwe Valar: I rmember discussing that we would be departing Rivendell maybe a week after the Fellowship left.
Eonwe Valar: So yeah, we're going to be dealing with winter on this road.
VardaValar1: So, what path did the baddies use? Did they go through goblin and orc tunnels? Have some kind of special road?
VardaValar1: Can we look like wild hillmen? :-)
Eonwe Valar: And heading north, probably sooner than the Fellowship.
VardaValar1: The baddies will arrive a very good while before we do.
Eonwe Valar: The baddies from Mirkwood will still have to cross through the Misty Mountains at some point, and they're not going to be using the High Pass.
VardaValar1: They won't be going around Rhudaur and the Ettenmoors.
Eonwe Valar: Which brings us back to Gundabad again, hehe.
VardaValar1: The goblin tunnels?
ArPharazonV: Not to mention that we're still saying in Rivendell for some research.
ArPharazonV: *staying
VardaValar1: The ones where Bilbo found the Ring?
Eonwe Valar: True, there's Golbintown, perhaps.
VardaValar1: Goblin-town is just north of the High Pass.
Eonwe Valar: But that's still close to the High Pass, and they wouldn't be able to approach through the same path we did.
Eonwe Valar: What Varda said.
VardaValar1: Tunnels? Little roads hidden by boulders and such?
Eonwe Valar: They wouldn't be able to cross the Langflood where we did either.
VardaValar1: If they went north up to Mt. Gundabad, they would have to cross over the top of high mountains. Might be more tunnels we don't know of.
Eonwe Valar: The Greylin, at least by this map, looks like it'd be easier to cross than the Langflood, which would bring the enemy close to Gundabad.
ArPharazonV: Likely they tunneled through Mount Gundabad at some point. Useful access road between west and east, completely under their control.
ArPharazonV: Presumably a network of tunnels and lairs going under the place.
Eonwe Valar: Assuming Gundabad as the common meeting-place of the 7 Dwarf houses, there would be ways in and out of the mountain towards every region to which the mountain is connected.
VardaValar1: They might go around north of Gundabad to get to the Mts. of Angmar
VardaValar1: Good points
ArPharazonV: That could also work.
Eonwe Valar: Except maybe north since that would be an opening towards Utumno during the First Age.
Eonwe Valar: And even then, there's good reason to want an opening to the north.
VardaValar1: The Misty Mts were so high that elves in the Great Journey turned aside on seeing them, so aye, there's probably tunnel access of some kind.
VardaValar1: So they get home a very long time before we get there. Plenty of time to expect us. Figure they'd figure the brother would follow?
ArPharazonV: He's left enough clues and invitations for us.
VardaValar1: They might expect him to be able to gather a small party and try to find his possessed brother?
VardaValar1: Invitations. So why do they seem to want followed? They expect some kind of gain.
Eonwe Valar: They're still heading north, and still trying to make their way through Dwarf-ruins at best, and dangerou mountain-paths at worst, so I'm not sure they'll have *that* much of a lead on us, biven they're still not starting very far from the Old Forest Road.
Eonwe Valar: *dangerous; biven = given
VardaValar1: They might not expect the likes of Auros and Meren. Maybe not Frali.
Eonwe Valar has left the room.
ArPharazonV: Well, they're still trying to figure out the extent of Auros' original mission, I suppose. Luring us into a place we might not be able to escape from so easily could be to their advantage.
Eonwe Valar has left the room.
ArPharazonV: Or if the possessee has taken on some aspect of the possessed's personality, he might simply like to toy with and confront Calion on a regular basis.
Eonwe Valar has entered the room.
VardaValar1: I wonder if that Crebain spy trick only belongs to Saruman? If so, we have a better chance. They may be leaving traps, ambushes where we would most likely go.
Eonwe Valar: Bah, disconnected. Am I back yet?
VardaValar1: Welcome back. At least today you seem to be able to return to the chat room. :-) Aye.
ArPharazonV: They might even be tracking the sword. If it doesn't leave Rivendell, they might think we were still there while we've already moved up.
VardaValar1: Be nice to confuse them for a change!
Eonwe Valar: If it's destroyed in Rivendell, they really can't track it, hehe.
VardaValar1: It may go out of track as soon as it goes inside the elven-ring's influence.
VardaValar1: That is one strong ring.
ArPharazonV: That's true. But then they'd have to prepare for the worst. It might be to our advantage to have them thinking we were still there; to have it kept intact until we're some way north.
Eonwe Valar: There are no evil things in Rivendell to be drawn to it.
Eonwe Valar: Given enough distance, even Sauron doesn't know where his ring is.
Eonwe Valar: Gollum had to tell him it was in the Shire.
VardaValar1: The sword seemed to quit having an influence when we came into the area of Rivendell.
VardaValar1: That's an interesting thought. Sauron had to pull the One Ring to him by calling, but he didn't know where it was.
VardaValar1: The One Ring will be in Rivendell when we arrive, but gone before we leave.
VardaValar1: I was actually referring to Elrond's earlier.
VardaValar1: Maybe the sword will wake up near Frodo?
karakedi25: Would Vilya be able to cancel the affinity between the sword and the One Ring?
Eonwe Valar: I was pointing out, Phar, that I don't think any enemy could get close enough to Rivendell to be sure the sword was there.
VardaValar1: At a distance, it already has. But what about up close?
ArPharazonV: Well, I meant they might be tracking it from a distance, Eonwe. It seems to have some sort of tracking/communication runes attached, if I recall?
VardaValar1: The One Ring is present when we arrive, and Elrond may make sure we get it away from Frodo quickly.
Eonwe Valar: Vilya: Cancel out? I don't think so.
VardaValar1: er the sword
VardaValar1: We felt a change when we arrived in Rivendell, a peace. It's the area, but wasn't it also the sword being canceled out?
Eonwe Valar has left the room.
VardaValar1: Poor Eonwe
Eonwe Valar has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar: Am I back again?
VardaValar1: Yes
VardaValar1: You're having a rough night!
Eonwe Valar: Ok, quick reference of the size of Angmar: pg 56 in the Atlas.
Eonwe Valar: According to that it extends a little east of the Hithaeglir.
ArPharazonV: Definitely contains Gundabad.
Eonwe Valar: Considering that, heading north for our enemy makes even more sense, since they *would* indeed arrive in "firendly" territory faster than we would.
Eonwe Valar: *friendly
Eonwe Valar: It's coming up on the 6pm hour, so let's sum up the geographical/regions/population knowledge we have now:
Eonwe Valar: First, we'll be passing north through Rhudaur, where we may have to deal with hill-men who were allied with Angmar in former times.
Eonwe Valar: Orcs will populate the areas around Mount Gram in the west, and prbably have eyes all the way to the Misty Mountains, making the path through the Ettenmoors dangerous if we went there.
VardaValar1: (Wear hill-men's winter gear as disguise)
Eonwe Valar: Hmm, if we're leaving *after* the Fellowship, we'll be leaving in January. I think I want to go back and double-check that we decided on that.
Eonwe Valar: I remember us leaving Novemberish.
VardaValar1: Looking at p. 76-77, I wonder if they're considering an attack on Thranduil with boats down the Forest River. Thranduil might have that guarded.
VardaValar1: Dec 25, The Company of the Ring leaves Rivendell at dusk.
VardaValar1: RotK App B
VardaValar1: That's Christmas. :-)
Eonwe Valar: Aye, that's what I was looking at. I was just thinking that if we're leaving in January we've got 3 months to make this Angmar thing happen in, hehe.
Eonwe Valar: Anything else for the areas we're passing into the keep in mind?
ArPharazonV: Would be interesting... we arrive at Angmar, find ourselves outnumbered, defeated, lost all hope.. and then it's march 25...
ArPharazonV: and suddenly everyone loses their power or runs off in fear, and we're like.... "What just happened?"
VardaValar1: Are we going to show a few incidents along the journey to move it along to have the main event at Angmar?
VardaValar1: hehehe Phar
VardaValar1: That could be a hoot. Or we finally win the day before...
Eonwe Valar: Why not March 15th? :}
Eonwe Valar: Or have the main attack then :}
ArPharazonV: was it 15th? I thought 25th.
VardaValar1: We're slow :-)
VardaValar1: The Fellowship made it to Hollin Jan 8
Eonwe Valar: March 15th was when the major battles of the War of the Ring occurred.
Eonwe Valar: Battle in Mirkwood, Dale, the breaking of the gate of MInas Tirith.
ArPharazonV: Ah.
VardaValar1: Mainly we need to keep these baddies from being available to those big movements.
Eonwe Valar: Second assault on Lothlorien.
ArPharazonV: So we need to keep them occupied for 3 months? :-)
VardaValar1: Our story is called Scouting Ahead, maybe we can tie that in.
Eonwe Valar: Pardon, Tale of Years says Battle of Dale was the 17th.
Eonwe Valar: I assumed "Scouting Ahead" was the name of our first arc.
Eonwe Valar: I was actually going to say when we've closed out that we need to think up a new name, hehe.
VardaValar1: Be a nice puzzle to see how it could tie in. Otherwise this is the sequel?
Eonwe Valar: *for the next arc.
Eonwe Valar: Think more the second season, or Book II.
VardaValar1: Maybe we could come up with a tie-in, just as a mental puzzle, even if we don't use it.
VardaValar1: The scouts learned this from scouting, then ceased to be scouts but are a misson force.
ArPharazonV: Scouting Ahead II: Revenge of the Scout.
VardaValar1: hehe
ArPharazonV: Y'know, since Calaron originally was a scout for a living ;-)
Eonwe Valar: Not really a sequel because the primary conflict hasn't been resolved, and we haven't broken up and gone our separate ways, only to be pulled back together in a time of need, hehe.
Eonwe Valar: Hehe, Phar.
VardaValar1: Or we learn enough so that Elrond can send a force to finish cleaning them out?
VardaValar1: Aye, and Fainan is a scout.
VardaValar1: And Auros was scouting for the Fellowship.
ArPharazonV: Well, yeah, but Calaron seems to be the main villain right now... so it's "his" revenge
VardaValar1: Elrond might want us just to scout, find weak points. We have fortune and find the power thingy/staff/ and destroy it.
VardaValar1: Still a lot of baddies holed up, so we can hightail it, give the shredded item to Elrond, and let him send an army.
VardaValar1: At what point will we have done what we set out to do?
ArPharazonV: We as writers or we as characters? Because originally we just set out to help Auros' on his eastern scouting mission. That technically ends when we reach Rivendell.
VardaValar1: On this new arc.
VardaValar1: We learn of a new enemy rising in the Mountains of Angmar.
VardaValar1: That is one thing we found out while working with Auros on the original scouting mission.
Eonwe Valar: The new arc is the continuation of the Mirkwood Elves' mission, actually.
Eonwe Valar: OK, Varda beat me to it again, hehe.
VardaValar1: The enemy is especially a danger to Mirkwood.
karakedi25: And of course we have the Calaron story to resolve.
VardaValar1: You said something more than I said, all good. :-)
ArPharazonV: We all have reasons for going to Angmar. If we want to know when we're done doing what we set out to do, we need to figure out what it was we were all going there for
VardaValar1: Exactly, Phar. : )
Eonwe Valar: Auros has no reason to go to Angmar,... that's been revealed :}
VardaValar1: The enemy seems to be possessing Calaron.
karakedi25: Unless Elrond asks him to go, to help deal with a potentially lethal enemyi.
VardaValar1: So Calaron's brother needs to rescue Calaron if he can.
ArPharazonV: Calion's going after his brother. I thought Auros had heard rumors of some comrades of him going missing up North, or am I confusing things?
VardaValar1: The Mirkwood elves must deal with the threat to their home.
VardaValar1: Aye, Auros had something going on. : )
Eonwe Valar: I don't recall writing anything particular in the story, so I might've let some of my thoughts slip out in discussion, hehe.
VardaValar1: The Avar elf is trying to figure out what's causing problems for his people, and suspects this is it.
VardaValar1: (meta-gaming)
ArPharazonV: I thought something was connected to the people Auros met in Dale?
VardaValar1: Frali realizes that if Mirkwood falls, his home is right up against Mirkwood and therefore potentially next in line. Nice to have an elvish buffer.
VardaValar1: Meren's skills may be necessary to defuse the mysterious object.
ArPharazonV: Allright. I'm after my brother, who may or may not have a connection to the staff. Auros is going there for some reason not even Eonwe can remember. Fainan's going there to deal with the threat, mainly the staff. Meren is there to assist Fainan's goal. Ultimately, so is Frali.
ArPharazonV: and Estarion, now that I think about it.
ArPharazonV: Did I miss anyone?
VardaValar1: Meren is a Mirkwood elf and is going for Mirkwood. So is Calion.
ArPharazonV: Yes, but Calion has an alterior goal.
karakedi25: Yes, Meren is going to help unravel mysteries and to protect Mirkwood from unknown arcane threats.
VardaValar1: Fainan will shoot pointy sticks at bad guys. :-)
Eonwe Valar: I didn't say "I" couldn't remember, just that I don't remember putting anything specific in the story. I don't believe I announced anything final on why Auros would go to Angmar.
VardaValar1: Calion has the added need to help his brother one way or another.
VardaValar1: Auros has his mysterious reason related to his friends and history to go clean out this pestilence.
karakedi25: What harms Mirkwood can eventually harm all of elvendom. Elrond might well depute Auros to go with the party to deal with the threat.
VardaValar1: Agreed.
karakedi25: Since Auros already knows 'us.'
VardaValar1: Already familiar with the group, aye.
ArPharazonV: So we're after the staff, any other threat we may find, and hopefully Calion's brother.
VardaValar1: Doesn't hurt that Auros tends to be looked on as leaderly for the group.
ArPharazonV: If we do that, we've done what we were going to do?
VardaValar1: That's my thought, not knowing what Auros is up to. :-)
VardaValar1: So that's as far as we can plan for tonight?
ArPharazonV: Should we let Rivendell write itself?
VardaValar1: Good point
VardaValar1: Not sure how much we can put into the Rivendell part. Maybe a lot of "time passes".
VardaValar1: We chafe knowing we will be stuck going out in winter.
karakedi25: Meren will write up some of her scholarly adventures.
Eonwe Valar: I have some scenes in Rivendell in mind, at least for Auros and maybe in relation to other characters, but I'll discuss that when we get to that point.
ArPharazonV: There and back again: A scholar's tale.
Eonwe Valar: Hehe.
karakedi25: There and maybe not back again, depending on the lure of the Library!
karakedi25: :-P
Eonwe Valar: Some of my old thoughts for scenes may have to be readjusted, replanned, etc., but I've got at least one or two in my mind that I like, plus some side-stories for the Stories Page.
Eonwe Valar: So maybe you'll get a peek into Auros' history before/as we go into Chapter 1 of the new arc :}
VardaValar1: Will we have some kind of group story in Riv?
karakedi25: At least planning sessions, and at probably one in the Hall of Fire?
Eonwe Valar: Well it seems as far as the Mirkwood Elves are concerned, their party is set. They have a destination. The only thing to work out is the whys of the other members.
Eonwe Valar: An Idea I liked in previous discussions was an argument between Auros and Calion about who should be leading the new journey. I think there's more reason for tension there with the new revelation of Calion's brother being involved.
AriehnV: for Frali to make up for his blunder with the sword and of course lending his assistance as promised
Eonwe Valar: As good a reason as any, Arien :}
VardaValar1: and to protect the Lonely Mt. If Mirkwood falls, there goes Frali's home next.
Eonwe Valar: The Rivendell reason at least (if memory serves me as well as it should) was for Frali to deliver messages, so I would expect some Dwarf interaction in the first chapter there.
VardaValar1: Gloin and Gimli are at Rivendell too.
Eonwe Valar: *Dwarf-to-Dwarf. Might make for some interesting interaction with Gimli, Gloin, random Dwarf #42.
VardaValar1: hehehe
VardaValar1: Fainan would make her report to the Prince of Mirkwood, but otherwise probably not much interaction with him.
VardaValar1: Calion was a high-muckety-muck though, wasn't he?
VardaValar1: Some kind of noble?
ArPharazonV: He was, yes.
ArPharazonV: Descended from one of the noble families who held sway over Mirkwood before the Sindar came from the West.
ArPharazonV: A family still respected by both Silvans and the Sindarin newcomers.
ArPharazonV: I daresay Calion's father's probably quite friendly with Thranduil.
ArPharazonV: Of course, though noble, his family has not actually been "royal", or in much diplomatic contact with nobles from other realms, for at least the Third Age.
ArPharazonV: So I doubt Calion would know many people in Rivendell.
Menelvagor Valar has entered the room.
Menelvagor Valar: Aiya!
ArPharazonV: Aiya!
Eonwe Valar: Heya Menel.
Menelvagor Valar: How's the meeting?
Eonwe Valar: We were just having a long discussion about the RP: upcoming lands, population, and some various related things.
ArPharazonV: I think Calion would spend more time in Rivendell doing some research into possession or the realm of Angmar than socializing. After all, I'm more of a scholar than a socializer myself, and I can't help but let myself gleam through the personalities of my characters.
Eonwe Valar: I haven't officially shifted us into After-meeting yet.
Menelvagor Valar: righto :-)
Menelvagor Valar: you're done rather early then :-)
Eonwe Valar: Nobility also has to be able to keep up the relations game with allies too, hehe.
ArPharazonV: I suppose Calion would know Legolas, though.
Eonwe Valar: No, we usually move to After-meeting at 6pm so those of us on Lothar can go to the Sunday run. We're running late tonight because I'm giving a couple of pople a chance to finish a Heroic and also a chance for us to get the needed 6 to make a reasonable attempt at ICC.
Eonwe Valar: *6pm Central, so 7pm Eastern, 2 hours after Meeting time. We're coming upon hour 3.
Menelvagor Valar: ah :-)
Eonwe Valar: *pople = people
Eonwe Valar: Oh, Menel..
Menelvagor Valar: I must've shifted into different timing issues on sunday before it changed from regularly going to 2-3 AM then :-D
Menelvagor Valar: You need my reply for the GPMU? :-)
Eonwe Valar: If you haven't made your last remarks for the "Arriving at Rivendell," soon would be the time.
Eonwe Valar: The GSMU ended 2 weeks ago, but I would still like your gaming info for the Games Site, yes :}
Menelvagor Valar: SC2 + LotRO. quit WoW a couple months back, and should be quitting EVE as well.
Menelvagor Valar: You mean my last remarks in "The road to Rivendell"?
Menelvagor Valar: I was the last to post there.
Menelvagor Valar: Been checking up on it regularly since I posted.
Eonwe Valar: Ok, just wanted to make sure.
Eonwe Valar: I plan on putting *the* final post in this week, so I wanted to make sure everyone who hadn't yet had their chance.
Eonwe Valar: Whatever business we have in Rivendell will be picked up in the first chapter of the new arc.
Menelvagor Valar: Aye, and thanks :-)
Menelvagor Valar: As for now, I think I am going to grab me some sleep :-)
Menelvagor Valar: Namarie! :-)
Menelvagor Valar has left the room.
Eonwe Valar: Sleep well Menel :}
Eonwe Valar: Belatedly, heh.
VardaValar1: Night Menel
Eonwe Valar: Since the RP discussion has ground to a halt, I'll go ahead and bang the gavel here. While it was going, and while we all had extra time, I didn't want to end it abruptly.
Eonwe Valar: *Raises gavel into the air*
Eonwe Valar: *bangs gavel*
VardaValar1: Calion being noble means he would be able to talk to Legolas without as much trouble as Fainan would have.

Eonwe Valar: Aftermeeting.
VardaValar1: *jump*
VardaValar1: Thanks for coming, all. :-)
Eonwe Valar: Talk can still continue, just that it can allow for more halts between replies now :}
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