Valar Guild

June 19, 2011 Sunday Meeting

5pm EDT (GMT - 5)
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Transcript work by
Ar-Pharazon and Varda.

Attending: (7)
    AriehnV, ArPharazonV, Eonwe Valar, galdorandwe, Glorfindel VG, Indis-(V)/karakedi25, VardaValar1 (presiding).
    Menelvagor-(Valar) showed up after the meeting and joined the WoW Lothar gamers.

Meeting begins
    Malva-(T)'s birthday is today.
    Indis-(V) will be traveling 6/21-6/25.
    StarCraft 2
    WoW Lothar server branch reports
    LotRO Landroval server branch reports, general.
    WoW general
    In Norse mythology, Odin was called the All-Father. Would we be able to call Eru Iluvatar that as well?
    Addressed the problem of finding potential members in odd places. Once upon a time we did recruit anywhere we gamed because all the places were connected and of those we all defaulted to gaming in the Americas; not so now.
    The WoW Lothar group joined up for their Sunday after meeting game, in a mixed Americas and Euros group that owned everything. You can go "home" again!
You have just entered room "valarguildmeetingplace."
VardaValar1 has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya Phar :-)
ArPharazonV: Aiya!
Eonwe Valar has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya Eonwe :-)
Eonwe Valar: Heya.
Eonwe Valar: Small crowd today.
VardaValar1: Father's Day :-)
Eonwe Valar: True.
VardaValar1: Fangorn and I just got home, barely got our feet on the ground.
VardaValar1: How goes it for you?
Eonwe Valar: Eh.
Eonwe Valar: Not bad.
VardaValar1: I wish all the fathers of the guild well, and the fathers of guild members. :-)
VardaValar1: If anyone else comes in they'll just have to catch up!

VardaValar1: Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo!
VardaValar1: Membership:
VardaValar1: Happy Father's Day. : )
VardaValar1: Fangorn says hi, from where he's trying to fix a printer.
VardaValar1: *passes brownies around*
VardaValar1: Bilbo says hi from WoW.
ArPharazonV: Hi to both :-)
VardaValar1: I should get my slacker self back to recruiting. *cough*

VardaValar1: Web + More Membership news:
VardaValar1: Also should get my slacker self to working more on our Tolkien Site.
VardaValar1: Any other news before going to gaming?
AriehnV has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya Arien :-)
AriehnV: aiya all :-)
VardaValar1: Any membership or web news from you? : )
AriehnV: no not really i fear :-( been a busy week and done some garden worfk and had house inspection
VardaValar1: Sounds like quite a week alright!
ArPharazonV: house inspection?
AriehnV: so we tidied all up :-) cut grass , pulled out trees took rubbish out of the way
AriehnV: aye we have our house rented so the owner sent people along to confirm to him that everything is all right
karakedi25 has entered the room.
karakedi25: Aiya
AriehnV: aiya indis :-)
VardaValar1: Aiya Indis
VardaValar1: We had 54 fire departments out here, with airplanes and helicopters to handle a big fire in the woods next to a residential area that was evacuated.
VardaValar1: We got the excitement from the planes and helicopters going over, but not a wisp of smoke. : )

VardaValar1: On to Gaming:
VardaValar1: Anything happening on the non-LotRO, non-WoW front?
VardaValar1: We played some StarCraft/BroodWar and Bilbo played some SC2 missions.
ArPharazonV: Bit of Starcraft II, a few missions here too.
ArPharazonV: Played Gates of Hell, so only 3 more to go, including 2 alternative missions.
VardaValar1: The missions look very interesting. I may grab it sometime. : )
ArPharazonV: And some interesting flashgames, including something called Continuity, where you need to switch the bordering game areas to walk through a maze, and Cluesweeper, a combination of Minesweeper and Clue.
VardaValar1: On to WoW.
VardaValar1: Ah go ahead Phar. : )
ArPharazonV: I could link everything I've done, but they're on seperate sites and it'd probably just be best to google them :-)
VardaValar1: ouch, our power went out for a bit. AC is grinding like it's not sure it's coming back.
VardaValar1: There it goes. : )
Eonwe Valar: :}
VardaValar1: ok Phar. Thanks

VardaValar1: WoW:
VardaValar1: Eonwe, you had the Sunday report?
Eonwe Valar: Aye.
Eonwe Valar: Last Sunday we went into Serpentshrine Cavern and defeated Lady Vashj, claiming her vial of the Well of Eternity.
AriehnV: i got some gear upgrades there ^^
Eonwe Valar: Arien got to join us :}
AriehnV: died a few times tho alas
VardaValar1: Grats on the gear. : )
ArPharazonV: grats :-)
AriehnV: :-)
VardaValar1: and you seem to have recovered from your unfortunate deaths! It's good to be a Maia.
Eonwe Valar: Unfortunately I missed the Friday run, but looks like we ran a few dungeons as a guild, because we got credit for guild dungeon challenges. We're fairly close to level 10, so there's a good chance we might hit it this week.
VardaValar1: Friday runs: random dungeon runs done by the team of Bilbo, Elwing, Eowyn, and Sauron.
VardaValar1: We also had members running during the week doing stuff together too.
VardaValar1: Maybe tonight! : )

VardaValar1: LotRO:
VardaValar1: Tomorrow is the Monday morning patching. Seems to be becoming our regular day, like WoW has Tuesday.
ArPharazonV: Wednesday in Europe :-)
VardaValar1: or Wednesday for WoW Europe. : )
VardaValar1: LotRO Europe is now pretty well integrated with the Americas.
VardaValar1: Nice because now we have Elatan dropping in on us sometimes. :-)
VardaValar1: Monday last week in LotRO we warmed up with a bunch of us doing Helegrod mark runs. It makes a nice warm-up, allows everyone to get together at the same time no matter how many are on, and helps a bunch get the Hele marks they've requested.
VardaValar1: Then we broke into two groups to hande two requests:
VardaValar1: Leader of the Foul Wood for one threesome,
VardaValar1: a low level group.
VardaValar1: Then three high levels going into the new Forsaken Inn instance at level 65 and beating it.
VardaValar1: We have some good riddlers in the group. : )
VardaValar1: Wednesday we did our Helegrod warm-up then helped Pippin with his request for Grand Stairs quest mode.
VardaValar1: He's helped everyone with runs so many times that it was good to be able to help him back.
VardaValar1: We had all sorts of runs other days too but those were the ones for the scheduled times. : )
VardaValar1: Anyone else have any gaming news to add?

Eonwe Valar: Midsummer Fire Festival comes to WoW this week.
VardaValar1: Sounds fun. : )
ArPharazonV: Ah yes. And 4.2 a week later it seems.
Eonwe Valar: That's the way it's looking, aye.
VardaValar1: Good that they spaced it out a little.
Eonwe Valar: 4.2 will be adding some interesting stuff, but we'll wait to talk about that till when it launches.
VardaValar1: Sounds reasonable.

VardaValar1: Tolkien:
VardaValar1: We have a few of us here from the RP. Any comments you want to make?
Eonwe Valar: Not at the moment.

VardaValar1: Oh, and happy birthday to Malva-(T)!
ArPharazonV: Grats!
VardaValar1: In Norse mythology, Odin was called the All-Father. Would we be able to call Eru Iluvatar that as well?
Eonwe Valar: I was sure we had at some point, heh.
Eonwe Valar: Or that it was even used by Tolkien, seeing as that's essentially what "Iluvatar" translates to.
ArPharazonV: Iluvatar means All-father, I thought.
ArPharazonV: Yes.
VardaValar1: :-)
VardaValar1: The Ainur were his children and called the First and Second-born their siblings.
karakedi25: That's what it means.
VardaValar1: Aye : ) So it's a yes!
VardaValar1: The Dwarves were physically made by Aule and given the spark of life by Eru, who adopted them.
VardaValar1: Other races seem to be variants of those mains, mostly?
AriehnV: hmm the Hobbits for one .. they seem to be a variant of humans
Glorfindel VG has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aye to that variant!
VardaValar1: Aiya Glorfindel!
AriehnV: aiya Glorfindel :-)
Glorfindel VG: Aiya :-)
VardaValar1: We were talking about how Eru can claim the title of All-Father, as it is in Iluvatar. : )
VardaValar1: So far he has the excuse of having made all the Ainur, Firstborn, and Secondborn.
ArPharazonV: Ents... were they "adopted" by Eru as well?
VardaValar1: Ents were part of the song of creation.
karakedi25: He empowered Yavanna to make them.
VardaValar1: Aye
VardaValar1: So that includes all the living things, and Eagles who were put in there with help from Manwe. : )
ArPharazonV: Trolls? Dragons?
VardaValar1: One of the tricky things is to know which were varied by Sauron and Morgoth, and which were not.
VardaValar1: Dragons were from Morgoth.
AriehnV: yes in a way .... but Eru created Morgoth
ArPharazonV: So.. Eru's grandchildren? :-)
AriehnV: and Morgoth couldnt really *create* as such , just corrupt and twist the Valar' s work
Eonwe Valar: Like all of Morgoths "creations," trolls, orcs, and dragons were creatures/beings corrupted from their original purpose and nature.
VardaValar1: Aye, his way was twisting what was there, and mostly using Sauron's abilities to do it.
AriehnV: but i think .. i dare to think in a way one could say that (weird thought )
VardaValar1: Eru created Melkor, aye. But Melkor used his free will to go off on his own, and wanted to be as powerful as Eru. He wanted all things to be from him, as it was from Eru, but that was impossible, so it all had to be destroyed including himself.
galdorandwe has entered the room.
galdorandwe: Aiya :-)
AriehnV: yes the old *i cant have it so noon e cant have it " mentality
AriehnV: aiya Galdor
karakedi25: Aiya Galdor
karakedi25: Arien, that's at the root of envy.
AriehnV: yup
VardaValar1: Aiya Galdor : )
AriehnV: so we could say Melkor was envious of Eru ... he wanted the power for sure butr .. i think he had a different concept of power than Eru
VardaValar1: Aye, he was totally self-centered.
karakedi25: envy as used in psychology is very much if you have it, and I don't, I'll spoil it for you
AriehnV: sounds like Morgoth all right
VardaValar1: True
VardaValar1: Morgoth was that carried to the extreme, becoming a nihilist.
ArPharazonV: Well he envied someone who had it all, so to spoil it would be nihilistic :-)
karakedi25: Yes, he's a good example of human nature gone to the bad (and in fact the Powers are modeled on humans, as archetypes)
AriehnV: oki we agree on that one ^^
AriehnV: so what other races were there other than humans , dwarves and elves?
AriehnV: we mentioned Ents , Birds and the other animals .. anything else?
VardaValar1: There were Woses, a variant of humans.
karakedi25: Ainur in various forms on Arda....greater and lesser spirits
AriehnV: (i find the Earthkin in LotrO are an interesting thought .. but are they loreb ased?)
karakedi25: not as far as I know
VardaValar1: I"ve been wondering if they will tied in with the Woses, descendents of the Pukel men.
karakedi25: but they're not excluded, either
VardaValar1: *will be
VardaValar1: We are getting close to Isengard.
ArPharazonV: Earthkin... don't ring a bell, so I don't think they're lorebased
VardaValar1: The name is not lore-based, agreed.
karakedi25: they're not mentioned but not excluded as a possibility, among the many possibilities not mentioned by Tolkien. And they're not inconsistent with the lore---more consistent that cave claws, for example.
karakedi25: *than
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VardaValar1: oops.
Eonwe Valar: wb :}
karakedi25: wb
VardaValar1: Thanks :-)
ArPharazonV: Aiyata :-)
VardaValar1: By the way, from across the room, the WoW group says they have four in already. Bilbo, Fangorn, Elwing, and Eowyn.
VardaValar1: Sauron won't be able to make it.
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AriehnV: seems that Vardas Power has a jumpy phase :-\
karakedi25: Is that what it is?
AriehnV: she mentioned that the power was flickering aye
karakedi25: ah, ok
Eonwe Valar: No, it's her AIM.
AriehnV: ah right
karakedi25: afk to clean some stuff up
Eonwe Valar: She whispered me saying she was having trouble staying in.
Eonwe Valar: If there's nothing else to be said on the topic, let's bang the gavel and move to Aftermeeting.
VardaValar1 has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Made it back in!
Eonwe Valar: WB :}
AriehnV: yay :-)
VardaValar1: If you don't mind, I'd like to declare After-meeting. : )
Eonwe Valar: I was just giving everyone a chance for final thoughts :}
VardaValar1: Feel free to keep chatting
ArPharazonV: :-)
ArPharazonV: both of you had the same idea!
galdorandwe: Are we officially in aftermeeting?
Eonwe Valar: Great minds :}
AriehnV: Eru is All Father all right in Arda, i think we can safely say that
VardaValar1: and in Ea. : )
Eonwe Valar: In Ea even :}
AriehnV: :-)
Eonwe Valar: What Varda said, hehe :}
VardaValar1: Great minds, like you said. ;-)

VardaValar1: Gavel time!
VardaValar1: *tinnnnng*
VardaValar1: Love those silver hammers. : )
Eonwe Valar: :}
VardaValar1: Hoping you all have a great rest of Father's Day and hoping to meet up with the WoW gang!

karakedi25: btw, I'll be traveling again next week
karakedi25: between 6/21-6/25
karakedi25: so my play time is unpredictable
VardaValar1: ok, thanks!
Eonwe Valar: Travel safe :}
VardaValar1: Mine tends to be too, heh.
AriehnV: be safe aye
karakedi25: trip to Utah again

AriehnV: swift mention btw i met a guy back on Auchindoun character names of Beleriand and Llothlorien
AriehnV: which of course attracted my attention ^^
VardaValar1: They do sound interesting. : )
AriehnV: so we got a tad bit chatting but i didnt mention the Valar guild just yet
AriehnV: but maybe .. maybe when we get to do more with each other i ll see whether i can goad him ^^
VardaValar1: Not much point unless he's going to be in an area where we are.
VardaValar1: If he's interested in looking at or adding to the Tolkien Site, that would be cool.
AriehnV: will mention it at some point
VardaValar1: Seriously, there is no WoW Valar branch, no one to run it, no interest there, so don't push him to join what doesn't exist.
VardaValar1: Anyway, think I'll make a run over to WoW now. : )
karakedi25: Have fun
AriehnV: all right :-(
VardaValar1: but if he plays LotRO... ;-)
Eonwe Valar: The problem isn't that he couldn't join the Valar Guild as a whole, but if he doesn't come to meetings, doesn't come into the Forum, and otherwise doesn't have contact with our community, there's not much for him that he can't get better elsewhere.
VardaValar1: Aye, not serving him well.
AriehnV: if ye put it like that
AriehnV: ah well .. darn it
AriehnV: i ll let him be then
Eonwe Valar: That's not to say you can't tell him about us, let him take a look, but I wouldn't put any pressure on him.
VardaValar1: First see if he also plays LotRO and is interested in the Tolkien Site. : )
AriehnV: i never did that anyway
AriehnV: oki
Eonwe Valar: Well you said you would see if you can goad him :}
AriehnV: i meant "make him interested in" as in goad him to the site and if he wants he can join if not not "
Eonwe Valar: But the important part, since we don't have a European branch, would be he'd have to be willing to join us in some of our other venues. Otherwise he's just a name on a roster, and that's not really fair to him.
AriehnV: mhh

Eonwe Valar: Now if only they would put all the WoW servers into one list so all our European members could come to Lothar :}
VardaValar1: Great idea!
ArPharazonV: Hmm, I might be able to pop a character there then, but unless they merge servers... my main's staying where he is
VardaValar1: Just a howdy character. : )
VardaValar1: Kind of what Elatan did in LotRO.

Glorfindel VG: Can someone enlighten me as to what I'm supposed to do with "leggings of the fallen defender" and other such armor worth 5g and cannot be equipped?
galdorandwe: Namarie everyone. I wish I'd been able to contribute to the chat, but it was nice to read all the same. Have a great everning and Father's Day for all the dads here :-)
Eonwe Valar: You trade them in for tier gear.
Eonwe Valar: Take care Galdor.
karakedi25: namarie
ArPharazonV: Namarie!
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Eonwe Valar: Ther eare vendors in Shattrath, inside the bank area of the Aldor and Scryers, who will trade you those items for the tier gear of that time.
ArPharazonV: If they're available for your class, that is. I'm not sure what defender is, I always used vanquisher I think? Or was defender druid too?
Eonwe Valar: Aye, presumably the pieces you're talking about have your class in the list of classes it's for.
AriehnV: away we run from the excise man .. its a smuggler's life we lead .. its a smuggler's life we need
AriehnV: err lead even
Glorfindel VG: I guess I need to get my rep up in Shattrath then before they'll trade?
AriehnV: nope you run to the scryers or Aldor tiers and find the trader their
AriehnV: i got my leggins there
AriehnV: they are epic lvl 70 stuff [Note: she links them to the WoW group in WoW while we are also in AIM.]
Glorfindel VG: Ahh, thanks :-D
VardaValar1: Nice looking ones, Arien.

VardaValar1: I'm off. Take care!
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