Valar Guild

July 3, 2011 Sunday Meeting

5pm EDT (GMT - 5)
AIM: Valar Guild Meetingplace

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Transcript work by
Ar-Pharazon and Varda.

Attending: (8)
    AriehnV, ArPharazonV, Eonwe Valar, Fladrifv, Glorfindel VG, Indis-(V)/karakedi25, Menelvagor Valar, VardaValar1

Meeting begins
    Pictures on Facebook
    I wonder how many of those serving Denethor might have purposely held back some of their people.
    Difference in voluteers with Aragorn.
    The Oathbreakers.
    WoW gaming together afterwards.
You have just entered room "valarguildmeetingplace."
ArPharazonV: Aiya
Eonwe Valar: Heya. Beat you here today :}
ArPharazonV: Aye, just got out of a heroic. We finished the raid about an hour ago.
Eonwe Valar: Congrats :}
ArPharazonV: The whole of Blackwing Descent cleared in just over 3 hours. They really nerfed this stuff into the ground :-)
Eonwe Valar: hehe
Eonwe Valar: Well, that's one way of letting the masses see it, instead of just making normal raiding "accessible" and heroic raiding for the hardcore.
ArPharazonV: Oh, I don't think heroic is nerfed. We did it on normal. The heroic I mentioned was a 5-man I did afterwards.
Eonwe Valar: No, I was talking about what they've said on the US fora.
Eonwe Valar: And the usual raiding complants.
Eonwe Valar: I suppose I should go ahead and send out invites. Meeting should be starting soon.
ArPharazonV: Well, that's basically what they did, anyway. They nerfed normal raiding to make it accessible and kept the heroic for the hardcore.
Eonwe Valar: Aye, I'm saying making normal raids "accessible" (notice the quotes, since some people like to define accessible differently :}) in the tier they're presented, not in the next tier, and make heroic for the "hardcore."
ArPharazonV: Oh.
Eonwe Valar: Anyway, invitation time.
AriehnV has entered the room.
AriehnV: aiya there :-)
Eonwe Valar: Heya Arien.
ArPharazonV: Aiya
VardaValar1 has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar: Heya Varda.
VardaValar1: Aiya :-)
AriehnV: aiya :-)
ArPharazonV: Aiya!
VardaValar1: Good to see you. :-)
Eonwe Valar: I invited to Gwaihir and Gilraen to the channel, but they're not showing as invited in my channel list like they normally do.
VardaValar1: uh oh
Eonwe Valar: Suppose it's because I invited them after coming into the channel this time. Oh well.
Fladrifv has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya Fladrif :-)
Eonwe Valar: If there's any other guild members anyone sees on, make sure they get an invitation :}
Fladrifv: Aiya
ArPharazonV: Aiya
Fladrifv: back from holiday ent
ArPharazonV: invite to Gilraen failed
AriehnV: relaxed ent i hope then :-)
Eonwe Valar: OK, let's go ahead and begin the meeting.
VardaValar1: Mine shows the invitations in the main channel.

Eonwe Valar: Elen Sila Lumenn Omentielvo!
VardaValar1: Aye, Gilraen and Gwaihir show as busy.
Eonwe Valar: Membership:
Eonwe Valar: You're all here.
VardaValar1: Yay!
Eonwe Valar: Fladrif is apparently back from vacation.
Eonwe Valar: Any other Membership news? :}
VardaValar1: Mirielsson, MoH, would like to use the name of Glaurung.
VardaValar1: That would let us put him on the Membership list. :-)
Eonwe Valar: OK :}
VardaValar1: He's been gaming in LotRO and is in the last book of the LotR in his own reading.
VardaValar1: That's my news. :-)
Eonwe Valar: Thanks :}
Eonwe Valar: Web:
Eonwe Valar: Varda's floor here too :}
VardaValar1: Fladrif, did you have any more you wanted to mention first?
VardaValar1: If not, on to my web report.
Fladrifv: just that im alive and unrooted
Eonwe Valar: :}
VardaValar1: Is that healthy?
ArPharazonV: It's mobile, anyway.
Fladrifv: that depends
VardaValar1: Mobile ent!
Fladrifv: but a mobile ent is a dangerous one
Fladrifv: specially since flad is going to move
VardaValar1: So true. Huorns have been rough on us in the Old Forest in LotRO, but a huge help in Fellowship Maneuvers.
VardaValar1: O wow. Soon?
ArPharazonV: Where're you going this time?
Fladrifv: reasonably soon more details will follow :-)
Fladrifv: if things go according to plan it will be germany this time
Glorfindel VG has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar: Oh sure, keep us in suspense :}
VardaValar1: Hope you can keep in touch!
VardaValar1: hehe
Fladrifv: I will try to keep my internet
Fladrifv: more easy nowadays with mobile internet connections
VardaValar1: Cool. Let us know how you're doing. :-)
AriehnV: moving to germany?
Fladrifv: smiles yes
AriehnV: many healthy forests there :-D
Fladrifv: a huge step for a tree
Fladrifv: schwartzwald here I come ;-)
VardaValar1: One step, one orc army squashed.
AriehnV: to the black forest?
VardaValar1: yay Black Forest! Hope you get to see it.
ArPharazonV: I'm sure that if you can find huorns anywhere, it'll be there
ArPharazonV: just need to look carefully!
Fladrifv: they will come to me
Fladrifv: and obey automatically
VardaValar1: Trusting, aren't they.
AriehnV: hehe :-) tell me when you get there and when :-D
AriehnV: i ll be in germany in august
Fladrifv: all of august?
AriehnV: just for a few days
AriehnV: from 17th to 23rd
Fladrifv: ok dont know yet
Fladrifv: would be nice to setup a mini valar meeting
AriehnV: all right :-) good luck with it
VardaValar1: Pictures of the Black Forest!
Fladrifv: actually have one already, was there on holidays hehe
VardaValar1: Nice. Might be possible to put some on the Tolkien Site I wonder? If they don't show modern stuff in them.

VardaValar1: Anyway, on to Web. : )
VardaValar1: Art: Deepgroover-(T) sent in a photo of a mode he did "King of Dwarves". He made sure to spell it the Middle-earth way. :-)
VardaValar1: Stories: eleven new ones from Mirabella-(V), fka Branwyn-(T), wife of Nar-(V) and long-time contributor.
VardaValar1: Want me to list them here or just let you pop to the News?
Eonwe Valar: List them :}
VardaValar1: Huzzah!
VardaValar1: All are drabbles, so you can enjoy them quickly. :-)
AriehnV: Nice fella :-)
VardaValar1: "Have Sword, Will Travel" about Aragorn.
VardaValar1: "The Same River Twice" where Denethor is talking with his two sons at the river. Got some depth to it. (ok, pun)
VardaValar1: "After the Storm"
VardaValar1: Uncle Imrahil with his two nephews on the shore.
karakedi25 has entered the room.
VardaValar1: "In the Van". AU humor. If the Fellowship had gone to Mordor on a road trip in a van, the story might have been more prosaic.
karakedi25: Aiya
VardaValar1: Aiya Indis :-)
karakedi25: can't stay long--anothrer family thing .... *sigh*
VardaValar1: "Eating for Two" I recommend and won't tell you a thing about it so you can enjoy. :-)
VardaValar1: Family is good! Enjoy them while you can. :-)
VardaValar1: "They Also Serve Who Only Wait" Not as peaceful as it appears.
VardaValar1: "Stirrup Cup" Good thing you're all over 13. :-)
karakedi25: Eating for Two is cute.
VardaValar1: "Late" Aragorn could use a teleporter.
ArPharazonV: gotta go for a few minutes
ArPharazonV: good stories so far :-)
AriehnV: love that one hehe thats great
VardaValar1: "Two Hundred" Forlong is no dummy and no coward, and responsible about his people.
VardaValar1: "Forfeit" This very likely happened off-screen.
VardaValar1: "Steward's Trumpets" I may not look at my morning glories the same again.
VardaValar1: That's the crop.
VardaValar1: Note that all of her stories are moved to her new folder for Mirabella and some of the links are going to still wind up in the old folder until I get it all changed over. It should all work though.
VardaValar1: End Web report. :-)
Eonwe Valar: Thanks Varda :}
VardaValar1: /curtsey

Eonwe Valar: Since I have nothing to report, except that I am always working on something in the background, as usual, hehe, We'll move to Gaming :}
Eonwe Valar: WoW:
VardaValar1: His background webwork is pretty amazing.
VardaValar1: I'm struggling to try to keep up with his work. :-)
Eonwe Valar: Midsummer Fire Festival ends this week.
Eonwe Valar: Patch 4.2 came out this week.
Eonwe Valar: *this past week
Eonwe Valar: Lothar:
ArPharazonV: back, catching up
Eonwe Valar: Sunday Run:
Eonwe Valar: We took a trip through the Level 60 raids, hoping for Guild credit, but didn't have enough.
VardaValar1: (Some of us got personal achievements though, thanks!)
Eonwe Valar: Molten Core and Blackwing Lair completed by Eonwe, BIlbo, Elwing, Varda, Fangorn, and Sauron.
Eonwe Valar: Ahn'Qiraj 20 (now 10) By the same group plus guild friend Lumierre, who brought his Druid.
Eonwe Valar: AQ 40 was minus Eonwe as I'd had a long long day, but Menel had walked in just in time to take my spot.
karakedi25: back later, but I'll leave this up so I can follow all the links when I get back
karakedi25: '
VardaValar1: Do you have a Tolkien topic you'd like us to hit, Indis?
VardaValar1: Namarie
karakedi25: no, and I have to leave now--ride waiting
karakedi25: namarie
ArPharazonV: namarie
Eonwe Valar: Friday Run:
Eonwe Valar: I'm afraid I missed this one due to real life, but sounded like everyone was having fun with the new 4.2 quests.
VardaValar1: Aye, we tried out the new area. It has some very nice cloaks. Elwing and I duo'd it and raised our item levels. Others were around giving suggestions and Bilbo pushed us that direction. :-) I believe Eowyn got into it too.
Eonwe Valar: Thanks :}
VardaValar1: (Heroics might be in our future.)
Eonwe Valar: This Sunday, we're looking at another run through Hyjal, and a trip into Karazhan.

Eonwe Valar: LotRO:
Eonwe Valar: Your floor, Varda :}
ArPharazonV: The cloaks from the Thrall quest you mean?
VardaValar1: *wax on, wax off*
VardaValar1: Aye, Phar.
ArPharazonV: Aye, I used that one for about one day... then I got friendly with the Fireland-hyjallers and got an even better cloak ;-)
VardaValar1: Monday in LotRO we did a tiny amount of payback for his help in so many runs by doing his guardian class quest in the Dark Delving, incidentally working on our medallions and deeds and quests.
VardaValar1: Wednesday we completed Forges in Moria. :-)
VardaValar1: We're also running our summer festival: new horse and items as rewards.
AriehnV: cute , shame the horse is a bit off my standings and money ^^
VardaValar1: Some of us have done our pre-order for Isengard.
AriehnV: i like the horse tho
VardaValar1: I try to pick one character as my horse collector. It would be murder to try to get it on all of them in one go. (19 characters)
VardaValar1: End report unless others have ought to add.
VardaValar1: (You're all welcome to pop in on free to play or other, if you don't already.)
AriehnV: hehe :-) i dinged the hunter to 42
AriehnV: on tuesday
VardaValar1: Grats. :-)
Eonwe Valar: Any other Gaming News from anyone?
Eonwe Valar: Anyone play anything besides WoW and LotRO?
AriehnV: Galdor and his daughter helped me with some quests btw
AriehnV: thats it from me :-)
VardaValar1: His daughter?
AriehnV: someone he was grouped with anyway

ArPharazonV: I played some SCII with someone I knew in WoW yesterday
AriehnV: maybe i am mixing up names again ^^
ArPharazonV: he introduced me to something called monobattles, where every player decides on only one combat unit to use in that game :-) Quite interesting
ArPharazonV: And I did some more physics games, no new link for you though
VardaValar1: Sounds intriguing.
ArPharazonV: yes, it was :-)
ArPharazonV: nothing more from me
Eonwe Valar: Now is the time to be sending me Tolkien Topics, by the way.

Eonwe Valar: OK, if there's no more Gaming, on to Tolkien:
VardaValar1: Before I forget,
VardaValar1: for those of you who have Facebook,
VardaValar1: one of our members, Franco Manni-(T), put up 189 pictures he found around the net.
VardaValar1: He has great taste. :-)
VardaValar1: Done.
Eonwe Valar: :}
VardaValar1: (Does that link work for any of you FB users?)
ArPharazonV: I'm no facebooker, so don't look at me ;-)
VardaValar1: ok :-)

VardaValar1: I'm always impressed how fast you folks read through those drabbles. :-)
VardaValar1: If I mention something about one, will it be a spoiler?
Eonwe Valar: Not for me, if that's any help :}
VardaValar1: hehe - thanks
VardaValar1: I wonder how many of those serving Denethor might have purposely held back some of their people.
VardaValar1: When the crowds watched them coming in, the numbers always seemed shorter than expected.
ArPharazonV: They seemed eager to go with Aragorn though.
VardaValar1: Perhaps they feared for the safety of their own home areas if Minas Tirith was overrun.
VardaValar1: True. :-)
VardaValar1: He gave them Hope.
Eonwe Valar: Aye, it seemed to me all of them held back the majority of their forces, as they feared an attack from Umbar. Once that was eliminated, they were freer to send a greater force.
VardaValar1: He even sent back the faint-hearted, giving them honorable service to do instead of going to the Black Gate.
Eonwe Valar has left the room.
Eonwe Valar has left the room.
VardaValar1: Aye. Aragorn had already handled the Corsair threat for them.
VardaValar1: Eonwe, don't fall into that Void of Night over there...
ArPharazonV: Is that so? Didn't they join him as he went over to fight the Corsairs?
Eonwe Valar has left the room.
VardaValar1: The Dead, the Oathbreakers scared the Corsairs off their ships. That was why Aragorn collected them. But then those in the area pitched in and helped.
Eonwe Valar has left the room.
ArPharazonV: They joined him after he dealt with the Corsairs? Even those in the lands he had already travelled through?
VardaValar1: Then he held their oath fulfilled, for having removed that crippling threat.
VardaValar1: They didn't approach him on the way to the Corsairs, afraid of him, called him the King of the Dead.
VardaValar1: Movie got that pretty muddled for us.
ArPharazonV: Must've forgotten that detail.
Eonwe Valar has left the room.
ArPharazonV: And yes, they don't appear in the movie at all :-)
VardaValar1: He was terrifying to the people.
VardaValar1: The Dead do appear in the movie, including their King, and the movie had them clearing the baddies at Minas Tirith, totally wrong.
Eonwe Valar has left the room.
VardaValar1: Remember the Three Hunters in the movie jumping off the Corsair ship, then being followed by the Dead?
Eonwe Valar has left the room.
VardaValar1: Inviting Eonwe. He's having trouble returning.
ArPharazonV: I meant the humans, Varda :-)
Eonwe Valar has left the room.
ArPharazonV: the men of Gondor
VardaValar1: They were mostly in hiding from Aragorn and crew. I guess the movie didn't want to have people calling him the King of the Dead too. : )
VardaValar1: Phar, could you try inviting Eonwe?
ArPharazonV: Done
VardaValar1: Thanks. Mine didn't work.
ArPharazonV: I'm not sure if he's accepting mine, he's just in the invite window now
Eonwe Valar has left the room.
VardaValar1: The men of Gondor at Umbar helped Aragorn crew the ships, I think.
ArPharazonV: And it says he declined.
ArPharazonV: Done again.
VardaValar1: heh, said rejected on mine. He says it shows the request timing out.
Eonwe Valar has left the room.
VardaValar1: Arien, that's Meetingplace :-)
AriehnV: realized lol
AriehnV: and corrected
VardaValar1: He keeps showing timed out. Mean ol' AIM.
Eonwe Valar has left the room.
AriehnV: it shows up as rejected
VardaValar1: That's how it showed on mine too. He's showing timed out on his side.
VardaValar1: The rangers were with Aragorn, but I'm not sure how good they were at crewing ships. Elladan and Elrohir were along, as were Gimli and Legolas.
VardaValar1: I believe the Gondorians were mostly manning the fleet.
VardaValar1: Eonwe says the new request from Arien just timed out.
Eonwe Valar has left the room.
AriehnV: hmm odd
VardaValar1: and another time out.
VardaValar1: It's happened before. bleah
VardaValar1: He signed in an hour early today, heh.
VardaValar1: Any more comments on the undead or Gondorians?
VardaValar1: Any other comments of any kind? : )
VardaValar1: Think kindly of Glorfindel, whose neck is giving him problems.
VardaValar1: Too much balrog slaying in the mountains.
Glorfindel VG: ;-)
VardaValar1: Ok, Arien, would you like to take this handy gavel and hit it for Eonwe?
VardaValar1: I guess it was too heavy. Valie to the rescue!
VardaValar1: *whomp*
VardaValar1: After-meeting!
AriehnV: *flash* on the gavel as it radiates in a fiery explosion
ArPharazonV: Ouch, poor gavel.
AriehnV: its made of mithril so a bit fire wont harm it
AriehnV: ;-)
VardaValar1: A mite warm... Nothing worse than the usual fusion reactions dealt with daily. No worries.
VardaValar1: ok, short afk and then to WoW to see if Arien fell asleep. :-)
ArPharazonV: :-)
AriehnV: no :-P
VardaValar1: Happy July 4th tomorrow. :-)
ArPharazonV: :-)
ArPharazonV: Happy America day? ;-)
VardaValar1: Getting to be a nice crowd - Elwing, Arien, Eonwe, Bilbo, me, Sauron is coming.
VardaValar1: We'll be sure to water the place down. Luckily we had a good rain yesterday!
VardaValar1: Fireworks always get shot by the bucket loads in this area. Outside of the city.
ArPharazonV: Nice.
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ArPharazonV: saving and sending transcript