February 27, 2011 Sunday Meeting
5pm EST (GMT - 5)
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AIM: Valar Guild Meetingplace
Transcript work by Ar-Pharazon and Varda.
AriehnV, ArPharazonV, Eonwe Valar (presiding), Galdor-(V)/galdorandwe, Menelvagor Valar, VardaValar1
Quote and discussion of the meeting of Strider and the four hobbits.
You have just entered room "valarguildmeetingplace."
Eonwe Valar has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar: Heya.
Eonwe Valar: Afk for a moment.
ArPharazonV: Just found out my next fossil artefact will be the mount!
AriehnV has entered the room.
galdorandwe has entered the room.
AriehnV: aiya all :-)
AriehnV: how is everyone tonight?
galdorandwe: Pretty well, cold, but pretty well in general :-) How about you?
ArPharazonV: Good, doing some archeology in WoW, just unlocked the raptor mount, hope to finish it quickly
AriehnV: woow nice
VardaValar1 has entered the room.
AriehnV: just doing a bit alchemy on the mage in auchindoun atm and
gathering herbs, she is similar than Gerenna in inscription lol .. i
swapped professions between the two so to say hehe
VardaValar1: Aiya Arien, Phar, Eonwe, and Galdor. :-)
galdorandwe: Aiya Varda
AriehnV: aiya oh Lady of the stars :-)
Eonwe Valar: Back.
AriehnV has left the room.
VardaValar1: Welcome back
Eonwe Valar: Thanks.
AriehnV has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar: WB :}
VardaValar1: Yay! She made it back. :-)
VardaValar1: Eonwe is chairing today.
Eonwe Valar: OK ladies and gents, time to begin the meeting. Whisper me
with any news so I can include you in the proper section and we can
speed the meeting along.
Eonwe Valar: Elen Sila Lumenn Omentielvo!
Eonwe Valar: Membership
Eonwe Valar: Eomer seems to be having trouble with his computer, so good luck to him with that :}
Eonwe Valar: Varda, Fangorn, and Merry are safely back from their visit with the recentlyweds Eowyn and her husband Schlep :}
Eonwe Valar: And, sinece no one whispered me any Membership news, I assume that's it :}
Eonwe Valar: *since
AriehnV: NAH on that note
AriehnV: i have major internet troubles which bt puts down to a fault in the exchange
AriehnV: they will send an engineer 7 th of march but until then i have to live with a bit of ping pong gaming
AriehnV: very annoying
AriehnV: basically our router keeps reconnecting
AriehnV: which dcs me from any gaming or chatting activity .. so i ll be back if i ping out
AriehnV: thats me :-)
Eonwe Valar: Sorry to hear that. Hope the experience isn't too painful while you wait for the guy to come fix it :}
AriehnV: due to that i got constantly disconnected during a heroic with
the High Guard and Phara here and aye it was very painful ;-)
ArPharazonV: Aye, I remember that one... we never got to finish, had to eat about.. 10 minutes or so after your final disconnect
AriehnV: i hope it will be put right tho in a week or so .. sigh
ArPharazonV: Shame too, finally had a working tactic on the last try ;-)
AriehnV: we were close to it in our second to last try
AriehnV: but well .. another time
ArPharazonV: Ended up clearing the entire room.. well, you were there for that one
ArPharazonV: and then we finally put the casters on one side, and me
going back and forth on the other side, 90/270 degrees away from the
casters, with melee running in and out, that way we avoided both the
shatter and the ground slam
Eonwe Valar: If there's no other Member news, let's move on with the meeting.
ArPharazonV: *nod* let's!
Eonwe Valar: Web:
Eonwe Valar: A link is up on the News page to a "Lost Shakeperean Play"
Eonwe Valar: The Tragedie of Frodo Baggins.
Eonwe Valar: I'll let the link speak for itself from here :}
Eonwe Valar: http://flyingmoose.org/tolksarc/tragedie.htm
Eonwe Valar: Link was sent by a good friend of Varda's.
Eonwe Valar: Gaming:
Eonwe Valar: WoW:
Eonwe Valar: Patch 4.1 is making its way to the PTRs.
VardaValar1: Testing servers?
Eonwe Valar: Aye
ArPharazonV: Public Test Realms
Eonwe Valar: PTR = Public Test Realm.
Eonwe Valar: Where patches go before they go live :}
ArPharazonV: In this patch, Zul'aman, the 10-man raidinstance, will be
converted to a 5-man heroic, so if you want the Mojo frog pet from it,
you'd best hurry.
ArPharazonV: Should be able to get it in a few hours, I managed to get it today :-)
Eonwe Valar: I was just about to mention that :}
Eonwe Valar: And actually, from the description it wasn't clear to me
if they were giving it the Onyxia treatment (full conversion) or the
Shadowfang Keep/Deadmines treatment (just making a heroic version while
leaving the original intact).
ArPharazonV: ah, sorry
Eonwe Valar: Either way, some of us would like to try and run it before
it gets converted, for personal and if possible guild credit.
Eonwe Valar: We've got an attempt set up for today's run.
ArPharazonV: Hmm. Guild credit. How many members do you need for that? 8?
Eonwe Valar: 8.
Eonwe Valar: In addition, Zul'Gurub is coming back as a lvl 85 5-man Heroic.
Eonwe Valar: Both Zul'Gurub and Zul'Aman will be part of the next tier of Cataclysm heroics, offering epic ilvl 353 loot.
ArPharazonV: You know, I was wondering what dungeons they could
possibly insert later in the expansion, there don't appear to be many
locations for it...
Eonwe Valar: You'll need a higher ilvl than the other heroics (346ish I think it was?) to access that tier.
ArPharazonV: converting old raid instances is one way to do it
ArPharazonV: yeah, 346
Eonwe Valar: Adding more zones is another way :}
Eonwe Valar: Oh, for anyone who remembers Ragnaros from Molten Core, he's got legs now :}
VardaValar1: That's...different. : )
ArPharazonV: They'd need to expand the continents though. There's
nothing left open on the map. Well, maybe Northeron (popular name for
the strip of land above Eastern Plaguelands, west of Quel'thalas)
ArPharazonV: hmm, that is weird!
Eonwe Valar: Well, there's talk of the Firelands, so it'd just be another zone in the Elemental Plane like Deepholm.
Eonwe Valar: Lothar:
Eonwe Valar: Last Sunday, Nob, Bofur, and I ran a couple of heroics for the Sunday run.
Eonwe Valar: They were a bit rusty and I hadn't had a chance to start into heroics yet, so it was fun :}
AriehnV: ah Lil Raggi hasnt hehe
Eonwe Valar: Started out in Heroics Stonecore (from the RDF) We had a
couple of snags with healers, but once we got a good one who "seemed a
decent fellow" (hehe) we finished the run fairly smoothly.
Eonwe Valar: Then we popped over to the Valentine bosses to run them
real quick, and afterwards went after Heroic Shadowfang Keep. I forget
if we got it randomly or we chose it.
Eonwe Valar: We had the same group from finishing Stonecore, and though
we had a couple of snags on some fights, the run went pleasantly.
Eonwe Valar: We even managed to get Bullet Time on Godfrey :}
Eonwe Valar: Friday:
Eonwe Valar: For the Friday run, it was again myself, Bofur, and Nob.
We just did a quick random normal (ended up in Halls of Origination)
and then called it there.
Eonwe Valar: Oh, another mention for last Sunday. I got exalted with the Guild :}
Eonwe Valar: Uldaman:
Eonwe Valar: I popped in on Uldaman during the week and saw Elwing hard at work there, so thought I should mention it :}
VardaValar1: Sorry I came too late for the Friday run. About an hour after you folks signed off.
VardaValar1: Nice. Elwing is super in the Horde group. : )
Eonwe Valar: NP Varda :}
Eonwe Valar: LotRO:
VardaValar1: For the Monday run, Ulmo got together a group for Halls of Crafting, one that's been neglected lately.
VardaValar1: They completed the run all the way through, although not
in hard mode as so many were seeing it for the first time. This was an
excellent job for them to go all the way through on their first try.
VardaValar1: Go ahead, Galdor. : ) He was present.
galdorandwe: There is a nice off-hand sword that drops there Ulmo
wants. I rolled higher than him :-), however he got an excellent club
from Warg Pens.
galdorandwe: We lost HM because we had no ranged DPS...3 Champ, a Burg,
RK, and Warden. We were pretty close, but those orcs, while slow
runners, got by us at least once.
VardaValar1: He was very pleased about that club. I ran Warg Pens with him and he picked it up then, pugged the third.
galdorandwe: My Champ was not big enough to finish that one. Thanks for taking my place Varda
VardaValar1: That's kind of a crazy problem since three of you had alt 65 hunters. Must have been frustrating.
VardaValar1: I was glad to help. Rough place, and thanks for trying to help!
galdorandwe: Well, Pippen had Avenge out of retirement and Nim and I were taking notes :-)
galdorandwe: Class was in session for sure
VardaValar1: The group has been really improving. I'm proud of all of you. : )
VardaValar1: For the Wednesday run, we had two times really.
VardaValar1: Some can only run earlier in the day, some only later. So we did both! Great fun.
VardaValar1: We did a 6-man on the new Mysterious Relics deed in the
afternoon, getting ready for the new locations coming up late March for
the huge Update 2. Completed that, Miriel showing her usual amazing
ability to find things well. : )
galdorandwe: Does that one require all 6?
VardaValar1: For the evening group, we ran the Grand Stairs.
AriehnV has left the room.
VardaValar1: Not at all, we just had fun doing it as a group.
AriehnV has entered the room.
AriehnV: said ping
VardaValar1: That one should have 6, but we ran with 5
VardaValar1: Aiyata, Sunshine. : )
VardaValar1: Pippin was our main tank and running a fever.
VardaValar1: Despite all that, we cleared all the way through in Hard
Mode, then went back to clear out some back monsters for deeds and
VardaValar1: That was really something to admire in the team. Grats to all!
VardaValar1: Anyway, it suggests we could possibly have run it with fewer and still done it.
VardaValar1: As others have, as Galdor reminds me. : )
VardaValar1: That's my LotRO report.
Eonwe Valar: Thanks Varda :}
VardaValar1: Fangorn just phoned during my report, now on his way home at last. : )
Eonwe Valar: On a related note, I've put links on the Games Site News
for all the Developer Diaries involving the changes in the upcoming
Eonwe Valar: Any other gaming news before we move on to Tolkien? Anything anyone has played besides WoW and LotRO?
VardaValar1: Star Wars Trivia board game with a lot of Valarites count? ;-)
Eonwe Valar: :}
VardaValar1: Not really. Onwards!
ArPharazonV: I played more Starcraft II
ArPharazonV: just some custom games though, which are starting to get boring
VardaValar1: Galdor is afk for supper.
ArPharazonV: I think I'll continue on the campaign from now on :-)
Eonwe Valar: :}
Eonwe Valar: Actually, speaking of SC2, patch 1.3.0 is up on SC2's PTR now.
VardaValar1: Good to know.
ArPharazonV: Great, another patch to interrupt savegames ;-)
Eonwe Valar: Doesn't look like it changes much that any of us would be particularly interested in, but just in case:
Eonwe Valar: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/2356436#blog
Eonwe Valar: Ok, on to Tolkien!
Eonwe Valar: Last chance to recommend a Tolkien topic for discussion :}
Eonwe Valar: or a Tolkien Moment :}
Eonwe Valar: OK, guess you get stuck with one of mine :}
galdorandwe: I'm just checking to see what the topic is, I'll be eating
in a second, but want to contribute later...how mch longer will you be
chatting about it?
Eonwe Valar: About what the topic is our about the topic?
Eonwe Valar: We'll be chatting about whatever topic is chosen until we run out of comments to make or most of us have to go :}
ArPharazonV: confusing statement there...
Eonwe Valar: "About" was murky as well, so I just went with what I thought Galdor meant :}
ArPharazonV: ah :-)
Eonwe Valar: OK, we're going to go with a quote that's come to my mind
a couple of times during the week, now that I've found it.
VardaValar1: I recommend using a Tolkien Moment and discussing it.
VardaValar1: Go for it, Eonwe!
Eonwe Valar: "(... but) Sam was not
daunted, and he still eyed Strider dubiously. 'How do we know you are
the Strider that Gandalf speaks about?' he demanded. 'You might be a
play-acting spy, for all I can see, trying to get us to go with you.
You might have done in the real Strider and took his clothes. What have
you to say to that?'
Eonwe Valar: 'That you are a stout
fellow,' answered Strider; ' but I am afraid my only answer to you, Sam
Gamgeee, is this. If I had killed the real Strider, I could kill you.
And I should have killed you already without so much talk. If I was
after the Ring, I could have it-- NOW!'
Eonwe Valar: He stood up, and seemed
suddenly to grow taller. In his eyes gleamed a light, keen and
commanding. Throwing back his cloak, he laid his hand on the hilt of a
sword that had hung concealed by his side. They did not dare to move.
Sam sat wide-mouthed staring at him dumbly.
Eonwe Valar: 'But I am the real
Strider, fortunately,' he said, looking down at them with his face
softened by a sudden smile. 'I am Aragorn, son of Arathorn; and if by
life or death I can save you, I will.'
VardaValar1: Ranger humor strikes!
Eonwe Valar: There was a long
silence. At last Frodo spoke with hesitation. ' I believed that you
were a friend before the letter came.' he said, ' or at least I wished
to. You have frightened me several times tonight, but never in a way
that servants of the Enemy would, or so I imagine. I think one of his
spies would--well, seem fairer and feel fouler, if you understand.'
Eonwe Valar: 'I see,' laughed
Strider. 'I look fould and feel fair. Is that it? All that is gold does
not glitter, not all those that wander are lost.'"
Eonwe Valar: End quote.
ArPharazonV: When proof lacks, a bit of proper intimidation always works.
VardaValar1: To top it off, the sword is broken as he shows them.
VardaValar1: Not just intimidation, but humor.
VardaValar1: Have to wonder if he carried a second sword for survival
purposes. But it's not mentioned, not even a knife, and not a bow is
VardaValar1: Frodo is very astute there.
VardaValar1: No flattering words, ingratiating remarks.
VardaValar1: A true compliment "stout fellow" is not mere flattery.
VardaValar1: His smile seems real, from the situation.
Eonwe Valar: Aye.
AriehnV: i do like Aragorn's humour
Eonwe Valar: When dealing with Sauron and his servants, one has to be pretty perceptive.
VardaValar1: That would be one of the reasons Gandalf et aliud picked Frodo as the Ring-bearer.
VardaValar1: That's a tough job Aragorn was trying to handle.
Eonwe Valar: Aragorn had to be sure that these four Hobbits weren't
servants of Sauron, and Frodo had to be sure Strider was "the real
VardaValar1: How does one include himself into a very secret mission
like that? One on which the fate of the free peoples rests? He didn't
know that quote would be a known proof.
VardaValar1: Aye! Were these a trap for Aragorn? How could he tell it was not?
VardaValar1: The Ring made Frodo invisible. Maybe it was one of those
things where evil in the Ring was flipped in the Song to help Aragorn
know to join him.
ArPharazonV: It was pretty good evidence that the Ring was authentic :-)
VardaValar1: Tons of characterization there.
VardaValar1: Sam shows what a natural protector he is in his heart and attempt.
VardaValar1: Merry and Pippin stick by them and don't run. This says a lot!
VardaValar1: Several characters in the LotR seem to be able to tell
others' hearts by keen observation. Frodo and Faramir are two.
VardaValar1: Aye, Phar.
Eonwe Valar: Aye. :}
ArPharazonV: Might have been why Strider waited that long to make a move, instead of making contact before his little accident
VardaValar1: Aye. How to tell if this was a trap or not... Hmmm.
VardaValar1: Nasty puzzle.
VardaValar1: The light-heartedness of the others had to have helped him incline towards thinking they might not be evil.
ArPharazonV: could have been an act :-)
Eonwe Valar: Yeah, Pippin was too much a fool of a Took to be outright evil, hehe :}
VardaValar1: And four hobbits? Overkill to catch his attention?
VardaValar1: How many should he have expected?
Eonwe Valar: More than one would've been safer on the road any way you look at it.
ArPharazonV: 2, I think.
Eonwe Valar: Just one Hobbit wandering alone in the Wilderness would've been more suspect.
VardaValar1: Aye. But getting that many to go on the road for an adventure is also quite a trick.
VardaValar1: Or find it easier to hide?
ArPharazonV: Gandalf, and therefore Aragorn, had no idea that any Hobbits would go besides Frodo and Sam.
VardaValar1: Aye, Phar.
ArPharazonV: I suspect he was only looking out for those two.
VardaValar1: And Sam was a last minute addition.
ArPharazonV: Yes, but one Gandalf was well aware of.
VardaValar1: So four would not be the number Aragorn expected. Two more likely.
VardaValar1: Anyway, we're in agreement that he was probably expecting only two and had to watch them closely.
Menelvagor Valar has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya Menel
Menelvagor Valar: Aiya!
AriehnV: aiya Menel
VardaValar1: We're in a chat concerning the time Strider met up with the four hobbits.
VardaValar1: How could they recognize each other as being on the same side, for one thing.
Menelvagor Valar: At first they didn't :-P
VardaValar1: But what could they do to recognize each other as not of the Enemy?
VardaValar1: What did they actually do?
Menelvagor Valar: Well, Hobbits were not exactly known for their great evilness ^^
VardaValar1: (Thanks, Menel! There's an edit to the right of the name
in AIM, where the name is on the top left. Erase the part you don't
want and retype!)
Eonwe Valar: Lobelia and Ted Sandyman weren't exactly known for being great people either :}
Menelvagor Valar: and Aragorn... though worn and wary still had this way about him... a regal bearing or some such....
Menelvagor Valar: No, but neither were they exactly evil.
VardaValar1: The Black Numenoreans had mostly been kings or of great power, regal. Now Nazgul.
Eonwe Valar: To quote Sam, "Handsome is as handsome does." :}
Menelvagor Valar: about the name Varda, you might want to relog, at the
top of our private IM, as well as the chat list on the right side of
this screen, it still shows the previously used name. That apparently
doesn't update with an edit.
VardaValar1: The hobbits could also be used as bait, to draw Aragorn out.
VardaValar1: Rats. It shows as the correct name to me on the chats and IM"s now.
ArPharazonV: what's up with names? you're all showing fine to me
VardaValar1: You're on an early version. : )
VardaValar1: Probably the best one, Phar.
ArPharazonV: *grin* probably
VardaValar1 has left the room.
ArPharazonV: I'm sure newer versions have some new features though ;-)
VardaValar1 has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar: Newer isn't always better, hehe ;}
VardaValar1: Aiya! How's that?
Menelvagor Valar: Aye.
Menelvagor Valar: Now shows up as VardaValar1 (VardaValar1)
Eonwe Valar: Your AIM name shows for me as it always has: VardaValar1 :}
VardaValar1: Aye, Phar's AIM is the one that we use for official transcripts.
VardaValar1: argh, better anyway.
Menelvagor Valar: how's mine show up on yours Varda?
VardaValar1: hehe - as Menelvagor Valar iz the bomb
VardaValar1: No secondary name in parentheses.
Menelvagor Valar: hmmm... odd.
Menelvagor Valar: well, at least we're on the same main version... must be something within the settings.
VardaValar1: Aye, as you just proved. : )
VardaValar1: Now it shows as Menelvagor Valar
VardaValar1: Did you change something?
Menelvagor Valar: Anyways, sorry for the interruption, might be better
to continue this in side and keep to the conversation at hand :-)
Menelvagor Valar: As I remember, the Nazgul now, too, excude (sp?) an aura of fear.
VardaValar1: Aye, they do.
VardaValar1: Aragorn frightened the hobbits in a normal fashion, not an aura.
AriehnV: well friends , fellow Valarites , i have to go i am afraid]
AriehnV: let me finish with the poem that Aragorn mentions if you will :-)
AriehnV: but continue after i am gone and i shall look forward to reading the rest of the meeting
VardaValar1: Fire away! And we seem close to done on the subject.
AriehnV: Not all that is gold does not glitter .. not all that wander are forlorn .
AriehnV: The old that is strong does not wither and deep roots are not reached by the frost.
AriehnV: From the ashes a fire shall be woken, a light from the shadows shall spring
AriehnV: renewed shall be sword that was broken and the crownless again shall be king
Menelvagor Valar: Which is exactly what proved Aragorn to Frodo at
least his good intentions, since it was Bilbo who had written that one.
Eonwe Valar: And Gandalf included it in his letter :}
Menelvagor Valar: Yosh :-D
AriehnV: Namarie all :-) be good
Eonwe Valar: This might be a good time to shift into After-meeting.
It's 6pm and I should pop over to WoW in case we have peopel there
interested in running Zul'Aman :}
Eonwe Valar: Take care Arien :}
Menelvagor Valar: Namarie Arien, and thanks for enlightening us once more :-)
AriehnV has left the room.
Menelvagor Valar: ooh :-D
Eonwe Valar: *bangs gavel*
Eonwe Valar: Aftermeeting :}
Menelvagor Valar: and I think my fiancé might not agree with me on going there though :-P
Eonwe Valar: :}
ArPharazonV: guess I'm missing a sub-name or something? :-)
Eonwe Valar: sub-name?
VardaValar1: Namarie belatedly to Arien
ArPharazonV: whatever you call it
ArPharazonV: whatever Menelvagor has after his name that I can't see
Menelvagor Valar: oh, Varda and me have our names in brackets behind our "chosen names" which appear in chat.
Menelvagor Valar: For a while, Varda's real name showed for me.
ArPharazonV: and your fiance wouldn't agree on your real name showing, or..?
Menelvagor Valar: on going to ZA ^^
ArPharazonV: Completely misunderstood then.
Menelvagor Valar: quite ^^
Menelvagor Valar: speaking of which :-)
ArPharazonV: Only human, unlike some of you.
Menelvagor Valar: In our timezone, it is now exactly one month ago
Menelvagor Valar: whooptiedoop!
VardaValar1: We've had several people comment on the problem of their emails showing to just anyone who comes to our site.
VardaValar1: Comments? Suggestions?
VardaValar1: Hello from Bombur-(V)!
VardaValar1: He's doing homework. Now in grad school plus working.
ArPharazonV: Tricky. I'm assuming you want your email showing to
contact potential new members, but want some way to hide emails from
others to those not already members?
ArPharazonV: It would require a sort of log-in system.
VardaValar1: and that's not easy to do. Lot of encryption, messing around.
Menelvagor Valar: or simply not showing the emails of those who do not want it shown.
VardaValar1: I currently put Confidential for those requesting it.
ArPharazonV: I'm assuming many people want their emails showing to members but not to any random visitor.
Menelvagor Valar: keep an offline list that's accessable to those by querying you directly.
ArPharazonV: That could work.
VardaValar1: Use the Forum or AIM. :-)
VardaValar1: Bombur plays SC2. : )
VardaValar1: I've had my hard drive suddenly go bad and get formatted before. So it'll have to be my Gmail list.
VardaValar1: That's independent of the comp.
ArPharazonV: could place it on a site-related database only accessible to those who know how, like officers :-)
ArPharazonV: or, well, Valar
VardaValar1: Keep cutting it down and it'll be Eonwe and my email lists. : )
Menelvagor Valar: time for bed. Namarie folks.
Menelvagor Valar has left the room.
Eonwe Valar: Belated sleep well Menel, hehe.
VardaValar1: Namarie Menel
galdorandwe: Namarie..I've been chatting with Varda on the side for a few. Off to Middle Earth to tinker with my Burg
VardaValar1: Happy tinkering!
Eonwe Valar: Have fun :}
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VardaValar1: ZulAman going on in WoW. Not sure exactly where I'll be
headed. Things need done in LotRO too. Bofur and Nob are with Eonwe.
VardaValar1: Currently figuring on the Membership pages rebuilding them
to be sortable. Emails if confidential would be just the word
confidential. Recommend using a mail just for the guild, professional
one to be kept for professional use rather than guild. Continue
scrambling emails as before.
VardaValar1: That's the current thought. Suggestions and comments welcome.
VardaValar1: My email will remain available. We have the Forum and AIM still also.
VardaValar1: bye :-)
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