Valar Guild

November 21, 2010 Sunday Meeting

5pm EDT (GMT - 5)
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Transcript work by
Ar-Pharazon and Varda.

Attending: (6)
    AriehnV, ArPharazonV, Eonwe Valar (presiding), Gilraen-(V)/Iryenth, Indis-(V)/karakedi25, Menelvagor Valar, VardaValar1
Meeting begins
    Story put online during the meeting: "The Hands of the King" by Branwyn-(T).
    Guild Wars
    Eve Online
After-meeting: RP work ran through to the end.
You have just entered room "valarguildmeetingplace."
ArPharazonV: Aiya
Eonwe Valar: Heya Phar.
Eonwe Valar: Afk for a moment.
Iryenth: aloha Phar
AriehnV has entered the room.
AriehnV: aiya all
Iryenth: Aiya
ArPharazonV: Aiya
AriehnV: how is everybody?
Iryenth: not bad
ArPharazonV: I'm allright, had some issues last week but I will not go into them any further, suffice it to say that I've lost too much time to be able to make a post in the rp ;-)
AriehnV: "hugs"
ArPharazonV: *smile* thanks
ArPharazonV: It's just medical though. Not like anyone died or anything.
ArPharazonV: No permanent damage.
Eonwe Valar: Back.
Eonwe Valar: I guess Varda hasn't made it in.
Eonwe Valar: Let's go ahead and get the meeting going then.

Eonwe Valar: Elen Sila Lumenn Omentielvo!
Eonwe Valar: Membership:
Eonwe Valar: Arien, Pharazon, Gilraen, and myself are here. Yay us :}
Eonwe Valar: Our member Sigurd-(V) is now up on the Membership page.
Eonwe Valar: Tulkas is out to sea, should be back in December.
Eonwe Valar: Eomer passed his test for New York State Security Guard and Firewarden.
ArPharazonV: Congrats to Eomer!
Eonwe Valar: Malva's having surgery November 30th.
Eonwe Valar: We also have a new initiate in LotRO, brought in by Melkor, who is in the process of re-reading the books so he can become a full member.
AriehnV: grats to Eomer
Eonwe Valar: Any other membership news?
Eonwe Valar: Guess not :}

Eonwe Valar: Web:
Eonwe Valar: Nothing new here for the moment. [Note: new story posted during the meeting.]

Eonwe Valar: Gaming:
Eonwe Valar: WoW:
Eonwe Valar: Pilgrim's Bounty coming soon.
ArPharazonV: Already started.
ArPharazonV: Today, in fact.
Eonwe Valar: That's right, it started today.
Eonwe Valar: Elemental Invasion affecting 2 capital cities per faction now.
ArPharazonV: Got my turkey caller already ;-)
Eonwe Valar: Stop the invasion, get access to 2 bosses per capital saved.
Eonwe Valar: WoW's 6th Anniversary is upon us, so make sure you log in between November 30th and December 14th.
ArPharazonV: Indeed! 3 of the 4 bosses we have already seen in past instances, but the wind elemental is new. And a unique model, I believe.
Iryenth: (afk, scrolling)
AriehnV: got into a small invasion this morning before work
AriehnV: on ad
AriehnV: completed the rift achievement
Eonwe Valar: Congrats
ArPharazonV: the invasions are so disruptive, you lose flightmasters, mailboxes, auctioneers, bankers, and use of the deeprun tram....
Eonwe Valar: Blizzard's old WoW fora are now read-only.
ArPharazonV: I was forced to participate several times this week because it was the only way out of the city besides hearthstoning or walking to the next zone ;-)
Eonwe Valar: is where the new WoW site is.
Eonwe Valar: Actually, you can find an evecuation portal and take it to the front gate.
Eonwe Valar: *evacuation
ArPharazonV: Yes. But then you're still only at the front gate.
Eonwe Valar: Still outside the city :}
ArPharazonV: well yeah... but as I said, you still have to walk to the next zone to get anywhere else
ArPharazonV: so usually just more efficient to join the fight!
Eonwe Valar: Hearthing is also an option, especially for me, since I have 3 hearthing items :}
ArPharazonV: Oh! Interesting you should mention that. I got my last general achievement today, the Kirin Tor ring... so now I'll be able to "hearth" to Dalaran :-)
ArPharazonV: I'm running out of achievements to do!
Eonwe Valar: Congrats :}
AriehnV: hehe first was dpssing a bit but soon was forced to do my healing job , but it was chaotic and ages to get the town back
ArPharazonV: Good thing the patch with the new ones is coming soon.
Eonwe Valar: Also of amusement is the new Darkmoon Faire page Blizzard's put up.
Eonwe Valar:
AriehnV: and pilgrim 's bounty is up and running
Eonwe Valar: Apparently the more people do for a faction unlocks more for that faction's stuff.
Eonwe Valar: Lothar:
ArPharazonV: Don't forget that 4.0.3 came the past week :-)
Eonwe Valar: Mostly just doing miscellaneous stuff as we wait for the impending Cataclysm, along with the invasion stuff.
ArPharazonV: And that the mentioned read-only forums are going to be deleted in entirety, end of the month!
Eonwe Valar: With the release of 4.0.3, and the coming 4.0.3a, talk of which is pointing to this coming week, we'll have access to the new race/class combos.
Eonwe Valar: 4.0.3, as Phar noted, is already released.
Eonwe Valar: And aye, if you have any discussion on Blizzard's old fora you liked, now is the time to copy them or lose them forever.
ArPharazonV: Just a few general changes, mostly laying the groundwork for 4.0.3a, which is supposed to be the Shattering.
ArPharazonV: If you want your mounts from ZG or Stratholme, you're running out of time ;-)
Eonwe Valar: Not Stratholme. They're keeping that one in last I heard.
ArPharazonV: Really? I thought they were making it alliance now.
Eonwe Valar: It'll still be dropped from whoever is running Stratholme.
Eonwe Valar: No, I'm pretty sure Stratholme is staying a dungeon.
Eonwe Valar: I haven't heard about it being anything but.
ArPharazonV: Ah, allright.

Eonwe Valar: LotRO:
ArPharazonV: I'm pretty sure I heard tales of an alliance base somewhere in the vicinity though. And I don't think it was just Hearthglen (which I know is going to alliance hands)
Eonwe Valar: Big news on this front is that the next expansion has been announced: Rise of Isengard.
AriehnV: cute :-)
Eonwe Valar: It'll be out roughly one year from now, and Turbine is actually pretty good about sticking to that date from what I've seen with LotRO in the past.
Eonwe Valar: The game, of course, will keep getting content up to that point too.
ArPharazonV: More elemental.. I mean.. Uruk-hai invasions? ;-)
Eonwe Valar: For the press release:
Eonwe Valar: For the teaser trailer:
Eonwe Valar: Monday Grouping:
Eonwe Valar: Varda's report from the News page: Library run, other small runs, but we had a good turn-out.
Eonwe Valar: Wednesday Grouping:
Eonwe Valar: Varda's report from the News Page:
Eonwe Valar: Helegrod drake, spider, and giant wings in order to pick up Helegrod marks, ran successfully.
Participants for drakes and spiders all 65's: Galdor (hunter Andwe), Landroval (hunter Rana), Nimrodel (hunter Ardisian), Pippin (warden Iliardo), Ulmo (minstrel Niequi), and Varda (hunter Fainan). Participants for giants: same as above plus Gildor (65 minstrel Fairmaiden).
Volume 2 Epilogues: Cucheron's Bow, Barvessain (including Gath Ulunn) completed.
Participants: Melkor (rune-keeper Passim), Pippin (warden Illiardo), and Varda (hunter Fainan).
Eonwe Valar: Darn, was hoping the bold would stay on the second bolded line.
ArPharazonV: the Volume 2 part, I assume?
Eonwe Valar: Aye.
Eonwe Valar: The line Starting with "Volume 2" should be bolded.
AriehnV: could do with some help for Epic Vol I book 5 it is i think , the gaunt men
AriehnV: i can take one signature down but two gets hard
AriehnV: and i am running out of achievement points for buying revival tomes :-P
Eonwe Valar: I guess you don't get the helper buff yet for book 5?
AriehnV: nah dont think so]
Eonwe Valar: Or are you not at an instance part?
AriehnV: thats outside an instance
AriehnV: its the quests from Radagast
AriehnV: the Red Maid the foreplay
Eonwe Valar: Ah, then yeah, you get it for the instances, but not the outside parts.
Eonwe Valar: In theory, the tough parts outside instances were supposed to have an item that gave you the same buff when you were in the right area, but I think they just went with weakening those monsters or something.
Eonwe Valar: I remember the original dev diary mentioning an item like that, but since I've never seen it or heard about it since, I assume the latter, or just decided it was unnecessary altogether. [Note: inspiration buffs strengthen the player, and show as a stone.]
AriehnV: didnt get anything to zap power from them :-(
Eonwe Valar: Anyway, Mondays and Wednesdays are usually pretty populated if the time's not too late, and I think Melkor and a decent-sized group are on Saturday mornings (morning by US standards), if that helps. [Note: The Melkorriim tend to run Sunday mornings.]
Eonwe Valar: I'm sure there's someone in there who's itching for an excuse *not* to hunt for 240 of some creature :}
AriehnV: i ll have a look tomorrow :-) i am off tomorrow and tuesday
Eonwe Valar: ok :}
Eonwe Valar: Well, this is the point where I ask for any other gaming news, so, does anyone have any other gaming news? :}
ArPharazonV: Yep
AriehnV: if ye like aye a bit
Eonwe Valar: Phar, then Arien :}
AriehnV: phara first :-)

ArPharazonV: I'll not speak of more of my WoW exploits, since I think I put pretty much all of it in my interjections during the general WoW news, but I did play some more Guild Wars, in a fun mission that had me racing to capture pedestals before the enemy :-)
ArPharazonV: And I'm now all set for what I believe to be one of the best in the campaign: A mission full of watchtowers to clear and patrols to dodge, which I remember quite fondly from my last playthrough 2 years gao!
ArPharazonV: *ago
ArPharazonV: Arien's turn
VardaValar1 has entered the room.
ArPharazonV: Aiya
Eonwe Valar: Heya Varda :}
VardaValar1: Aiya from the very late person. :-) What did I interrupt?
ArPharazonV: Arien was about to give her gaming news
VardaValar1: (was testing and didn't watch the clock, sorry.)
VardaValar1: Go Arien!
Eonwe Valar: We started a bit late and had a chunk of membership and gaming news, so we're wrappign up gaming now.
Eonwe Valar: Arien's giving us gaming news :}

AriehnV: yes being still in Eve
AriehnV: a bit but mining
AriehnV: joined a nice little helpful Corporation , since Menel and Pallando seemed to have opted out atm#
AriehnV: quite nice guys , and got a new head set , thats it :-)
AriehnV: more comfi than the other with a decent mic
VardaValar1: Grats on the new headset. :-)
AriehnV: aiya Varda :-D
VardaValar1: Hi there. : )
Eonwe Valar: Congrats Arien :}

Eonwe Valar: If there is no more gaming news, then on to Tolkien:
ArPharazonV: That smiley looks like it's got something to hide.
VardaValar1: It does, doesn't it?
ArPharazonV: "I don't know what you saw, but I didn't do it! All innocent here!"
ArPharazonV: *shrugs off tangent* Tolkien time!
Eonwe Valar: Anyone have a Tolkien topic in mind, or should I just say "RP" again to remind everyone of it? :}
ArPharazonV: I promise you I have not come this close to writing a post as I did this week, since my last one!
Eonwe Valar: :}
VardaValar1: Indis is with family in California, intermittently able to be online.
AriehnV: oh i ve got met a couple of Tolkien enthusiasts within the corp or at least folk who are very familar with Dadd JRR
Menelvagor Valar has entered the room.
Menelvagor Valar: Aiya!
ArPharazonV: Aiya
AriehnV: but tonight was not the time to mention valar yet but maybe i ll get a chance to do so some point
AriehnV: aiya Menel :-)(
Eonwe Valar: Heya Menel :} Been a while :}
VardaValar1: I really like Eonwe's last post on the rp.
VardaValar1: Aiya Menel
VardaValar1: Arien, maybe they'd enjoy looking at the Tolkien Site even if they aren't interested in membership.
AriehnV: oki do will pass the news :-)
Menelvagor Valar: 2 weeks for me Eonwe ^^
AriehnV: will pass that to them
Eonwe Valar: Really? Seems longer :}
VardaValar1: Wouldn't kill us to get some new helpers for the site either.
Menelvagor Valar: maybe 3, lol ^^
Eonwe Valar: I do intend to have the Elves article to you before the end of the year :}
VardaValar1: Branwyn has another story done, but I haven't posted it yet, my apologies.
VardaValar1: Thanks, Eonwe. :-)
Eonwe Valar: I've been taking care of some other tasks instead, whether that's good or bad :}
VardaValar1: We can multi-task and have no deadlines. : )
Iryenth: back
AriehnV: wb Gilraen :-)
Eonwe Valar: OK, so I guess the RP is the topic. Go! :}
ArPharazonV: I'm typing my post right now.
VardaValar1: At this point ,we have the two main guys facing off, and a silvan patrol popping in just as it happens. Interrupters. :-)
Menelvagor Valar: reading up and catching up on a couple things :-P
Menelvagor Valar: hmmm... no need to read up I guess :-P
ArPharazonV: Not until I'm done with this post, anyway.
VardaValar1: Sure, read. There's some good stuff in there.
Eonwe Valar: You can read up to and including my post :}
Menelvagor Valar: I've read up on that stuff like a half bajillion times, I am fairly sure where we are, what we face, and how we got there.
karakedi25 has entered the room.
karakedi25: Aiya
Eonwe Valar: Heya Indis :}
Eonwe Valar: Topic is the RP, Phar is writing, some are reading.
karakedi25: Had to reinstall pidgin on this computer before I could join
Eonwe Valar: *(re-re-re) reading
ArPharazonV: Ehrr... before I post this thing, I need to ask..
ArPharazonV: do I have time for a bit of mono/dialogue, or should I assume the reinforcements will immediately open fire?
Menelvagor Valar: Aiya Indis.
ArPharazonV: Aiya Indis
Eonwe Valar: I don't think the reinforcements are going to stop a "I'll get you next time!" kind of retreat speech, if that's what you mean.
ArPharazonV: stop a, or stop at?
Eonwe Valar: stop "a"
ArPharazonV: so I can make my speech?
ArPharazonV: Because... ehrm... that is mostly the basic structure of my speech right there. With some details.
Eonwe Valar: If you give a 10 minute silliloquoy (spelling? been a while since I've used the word, heh), they may shoot you just for being long-winded :}
VardaValar1: Might need to be short, while retreating. Your forces may be keeping them busy long enough for that.
Eonwe Valar: They may or may not be as willing to take Calaron out as Auros is, given that you are one of their own.
VardaValar1: They have to realize he's a bad guy.
Eonwe Valar: Or rather, Calaron appears to be, or is being held hostage by the villain, however you want to look at it.
Menelvagor Valar: It seems though that now Auros too doesn't mind killing the elf *grins*
Eonwe Valar: Is there a reason he should? :}
VardaValar1: He only knows him as a bad guy. :-)
VardaValar1: Fainan would hesitate because she would hope to regain the person she knew. But maybe a nice leg shot...
karakedi25: does it count as a kinslaying if an elf (seems to be) allied with orcs?
Eonwe Valar: If we define "kinslaying" as simply "an elf jkilling an elf" then yeah.
ArPharazonV: I think we discussed that very topic a few weeks ago? :-)
VardaValar1: Self-defense seems reasonable.
VardaValar1: Yes.
Eonwe Valar: But the more important question is the "why"
karakedi25: the kind that gets one cursed
Eonwe Valar: Aye, we did :}
VardaValar1: For instance, fighting back when Feanor's guys are trying to kill your people is self-defense, not kin-slaying.
karakedi25: aw
ArPharazonV: And again I'm at a loss at whether Calion carries a sword.
ArPharazonV: short sword, I think?
karakedi25: yes, but once the fighting has ended, then a shot to Calaron would be counted or not?
Eonwe Valar: I don't remember, honestly :}
Eonwe Valar: Referring to Calion's weapons.
VardaValar1: What equipment should a person in his position at the time of being caught have? Sword? Spear? Knife? Fork?
Eonwe Valar: I think that could be looked at as "shot while attempting to escape."
ArPharazonV: Long knife, apparently. Likely based on Legolas'.
VardaValar1: Bow?
VardaValar1: Archers required some weapon in case they were forced into melee.
Menelvagor Valar: the Fork Of Not Nearly So Truthful!
Eonwe Valar: Based on my research for my elf article, swords and spears seem to be pretty traditional Elf melee weapons for any elf group.
ArPharazonV: Not sure. Think so. But he's got his throwing daggers. I think he's carrying a knife, I seem to have mentioned one 2 posts ago.
Eonwe Valar: A spear would've been easily noticeable and thus should've already been mentioned were he carrying one.
karakedi25: the Sindar used axes, and so the wood elves might as well
Eonwe Valar: Sindar also had swords and spears.
AriehnV: he is with Orks .. so i d guess a short Orc sword might be an option
AriehnV: like the one that Frali picked up
Eonwe Valar: We're referring to Calion, not Calaron, Arien :}
VardaValar1: He should still have his own weapons, and the baddie would like the better quality.
AriehnV: meh ..
AriehnV: true
karakedi25: just mentioned axes as an additional option, not a substitute
AriehnV: Frali might want to fall back on his familiar axe i ve got a feeling
AriehnV: he ll get into close combat with Calarons troops while the reinforcements come in
Eonwe Valar: It's 7pm Eastern, so I shall bang the gavel so those that need to go, but Aftermeeting and RP chat can continue on as long as it needs to.
ArPharazonV: My post is being posted!
Eonwe Valar: *bangs gavel*
ArPharazonV: With, undoubtedly, the corniest monologue and dialogue I've written so far.
VardaValar1: Grats on making it through some thorny plot-work, Phar.
ArPharazonV: And marking the end of the penultimate encounter with Calaron. We now get some... peace from my unholy machinations.
ArPharazonV: thanks :-)
ArPharazonV: I have plans for Angmar, oh yes... and there's still one twist coming in Mirkwood before we leave, but you shall see that soon enough.
VardaValar1: Also aiming the action towards going to Angmar. That might be the sequel to Scouting Ahead? An "expansion"? :-)
ArPharazonV: We had already decided on Angmar as the second destination for our party, no?
VardaValar1: Posted.
VardaValar1: Aye, Phar. : )
VardaValar1: It follows the LotRO expansions that way. "Shadows of Angmar".
ArPharazonV: Gonna be interesting to switch to Calion again. I don't even know what he's like anymore, besides his connection to nature and disagreement with Auros.
VardaValar1: Time to give him some heavy thought.
ArPharazonV: Quite.
AriehnV: i thought we head to rivendell first
VardaValar1: What kind of relationship did he have with his brother? Family? Seems to have gotten into politics, so what is going to happen with that career?
VardaValar1: Aye, we do.
VardaValar1: Angmar is later.
VardaValar1: We have to let Auros report to Elrond, so he knows which direction to send the Fellowship.
VardaValar1: Let's not send the Ring through Mirkwood, might be the report. : )
ArPharazonV: "Weeeell, there's a crazed elf, armies of orcs and spiders, and an army from the East preparing to assault Erebor... so let's send this little MacGuffin the other way, shall we?"
VardaValar1: hehe - exactly
VardaValar1: This is a good time for "reaction shots" from all our characters.
Menelvagor Valar: we officially don't know there's going to be any sort macguffins being sent with the Ring.
Menelvagor Valar: or... do we?
VardaValar1: The Ring is the McGuffin, but only Auros who's doing the report knows this.
Menelvagor Valar: ah :-D
Eonwe Valar: Auros is the only one in our group who can reasonably claim to have any knowledge of it.
Eonwe Valar: At this time.
VardaValar1: He's some kind of VIP that needs guarding.
Menelvagor Valar: well, all the elves aside from me should know at least something about the Ring(s) of power.
ArPharazonV: Also! I was unsure about Auros' reason for going North, but apparently Calaron knows more about it than the party.
ArPharazonV: Something about lost comrades, right?
Menelvagor Valar: even the Woodelves.
Eonwe Valar: I never gave any reason for Auros to go North that I recall.
VardaValar1: The most we might find out about Auros' mission is that he's scouting for Elrond for something to do with the War. Don't need to know more than that. We do know there's nastiness brewing in Angmar that could affect us all and should be dealt with.
ArPharazonV: Heck, he might know more than Auros at this point in time.
ArPharazonV: Aye, but I know we've discussed it. Maybe it comes in Rivendell, not sure. But the sorc apparently has something to do with it!
ArPharazonV: And Auros might go "Ahh. That guy was right after all." Or something ;-)
VardaValar1: The Wood-elves know their land is protected only be their own right arms, while the other elven kingdoms have magical preservation that sounds suspiciously like the Rings.
Menelvagor Valar: btw... Pharzie... that shockwave thingy does sound to me a bit... just a teensy weensy tiny bit... well... Sith like.
VardaValar1: *by
Eonwe Valar: There *were* lesser rings made, "essays in the craft" I believe Gandalf called them.
ArPharazonV: Yeah. I was in doubt about that. But it's not supposed to be very visible or powerful. Just a small gust of dark wind or something to knock him back for a second.
VardaValar1: True, quite a few other rings were made. Also, Saruman is making his own tries.
ArPharazonV: I mean, sorc has already displayed some powers of shadow, and an aura.... a small blaze of it in the face might not be that farfetched.
Menelvagor Valar: actually, to me it is.
ArPharazonV: Similar in effect to kicking the dust in someone's eyes or something.
Menelvagor Valar: blow up the world one bit at a time, and it doesn't seem so bad until you've blown up the last bit.
VardaValar1: The sorceror has to have some sorcerous abilities.
ArPharazonV: Well he could've just spit him in the face. But this seemed more in character.
Menelvagor Valar: well... that's just the thing...
Menelvagor Valar: what does a Tolkien sorcerer do?
Menelvagor Valar: What is it that Sauron did before he was cast down into the abyss along with the akhallabeth?
Menelvagor Valar: nothing fancy like a sithish push I am sure.
ArPharazonV: We don't know much. We know the aura of fear that the Nine carry with them, we know about the guardian at Cirith Ungol trying to prevent Sam from entering the tower.
VardaValar1: Dread. Shadow. Deceit.
Eonwe Valar: What Varda said.
Menelvagor Valar: Aye, and he has or had the power of song.
VardaValar1: Corruption.
ArPharazonV: I'm just building on that "shadow" thing a bit. If you all think I should adapt, I could always adapt!
Menelvagor Valar: if I am not mistaken, Sauron was but one of the lieutenants of Morgoth, but his chief sorceror.
Menelvagor Valar: or sorcerer LO
Menelvagor Valar: :-P*
VardaValar1: Sauron was called the Necromancer.
Menelvagor Valar has left the room.
ArPharazonV: To be fair, I did not have the Sith in mind.
Menelvagor Valar has left the room.
Menelvagor Valar has entered the room.
ArPharazonV: Aiyata
Menelvagor Valar: It just seems to me that any sort of magic in Tolkien is more the magic you might expect from hedge wizards, fortune tellers and that sort of thing.
Menelvagor Valar: and thanks... I was fearing my internet was going to fail me yet again.
VardaValar1: They left out telling a lot of details of what the evil ones could do. How did they corrupt elves into orcs, no matter how they may have been mutilated or brainwashed? They bred true.
Menelvagor Valar: true. but a lot of that kinf of stuff can be achieved without something we might construe as "true magic".
ArPharazonV: If it helps, I won't be using any shadow magic more potent than what I've already done. Yes, I came up with this particular feat at the last moment, but I promise you I'm not going to be making voidzones or facemelts or telekinetic throat-grips ;-)
VardaValar1: The Watchers that had to be passed stopped the hobbits somehow, just spirits inside of statuary.
ArPharazonV: Watchers. That's the word I was looking for.
ArPharazonV: What did I call it before? Guardians?
Menelvagor Valar: dunno, must have missed that part in the dc :-P
ArPharazonV: Nah, it was way before, when we were discussing with a Tolkien sorcerer can do.
Eonwe Valar: I think a safe assumption to make is that anything we've seen the good Maiar or Valar do, the evil will have similar or corrupt version abilities.
Menelvagor Valar: which I asked and mentioned just before the dc.
ArPharazonV: yes, after you'd already made 4 new statements.
Menelvagor Valar: while I may not have shown to have dc'd at that point, I in fact did dc at that point.
Eonwe Valar: Elves are "in nature similar to the Ainur."
ArPharazonV: I said it, you said several things, and then you disconnected :-)
Menelvagor Valar: oh right :-P
Menelvagor Valar: love the power of scrolling :-P
ArPharazonV: But let's not get hung up on petty details.
VardaValar1: Galadriel didn't like having her form of magic compared to that of Sauron and wanted different words used for it. But to us, it is all magic.
Menelvagor Valar: and you said guardian... not guardians ^^
ArPharazonV: yes, I was referring to one statue, but I think the location made it pretty clear what I was talking about.
VardaValar1: I got what you meant, aye.
Menelvagor Valar: I totally missed that sentence to be honest :-D
Eonwe Valar: The irony is, that both expressions of power stem from the nature of each's being :}
ArPharazonV: Anyway, for what Galadriel said... wasn't there a saying about sufficient technology being indistinguishable from magic, or something like that?
VardaValar1: A mirror made of water that reflects starlight but then shows visions of possible futures sounds pretty magical to me.
ArPharazonV: Science!
Menelvagor Valar: sounds like one of those crystal balls they sell at science fairs that have holographic images in them :-D
VardaValar1: Starlight caught in water that flares up at certain words or ideas used protectively against a monstrous spider in the dark.
VardaValar1: Arwen watches over Aragorn from afar. (Appendix)
Menelvagor Valar: she must have access to the sattelite netowrk orbiting over Eä!
ArPharazonV: Obviously she was proofreading the book as it was being written.
Menelvagor Valar: and that's all that the Palantiri are... image phones that can link directly to those sattelites.
VardaValar1: Speech without moving lips, even if we have the word telepathy for it, used obviously after the War of the Ring between Gandalf, Galadriel, and Elrond.
ArPharazonV: Aye, and the Mirror is just a television set!
VardaValar1: A fantasy is allowed a bit of magic, don't you think? : )
Menelvagor Valar: well, they must have been most adept at using and reading each other's body language.
ArPharazonV: ...Isn't that the way telepathy was explained in the Exorcist?
Menelvagor Valar: I know, and I love it all... just saying that just about any magic can be explained away with technology or chance.
Menelvagor Valar: like that sithish push of dark energy from Calaron...
VardaValar1: Only true if part of the subject is ignored.
Menelvagor Valar: a freak gust of wind.
ArPharazonV: Sure.
ArPharazonV: And it wasn't Sith!
Menelvagor Valar: it is clearly a force push.
Menelvagor Valar: if a weak one.
Menelvagor Valar: that's why you came to Eä! the Sith expelled you for being really really really weak ^^
AriehnV: post
VardaValar1: How about ordinary telekinesis? : )
VardaValar1: Yay Arien!
ArPharazonV: *force grips Estarion's throat* You had something, Avar punk?
Menelvagor Valar: telekinesis... hmmm... that's a hard one.
VardaValar1: Arien, I like seeing Frali still trying so hard to prove himself, no matter how well he's already proving himself. Very much like life.
Menelvagor Valar: *stabs Calaron in the back while he's busy with Calion*... "You were saying you weak punk?"
Menelvagor Valar: but even telekinesis can be explained, if a bit fat-fetched.
VardaValar1: Fat-fetched indeed.
ArPharazonV: haha
AriehnV: fat fetched hehe
Eonwe Valar: Horse-shaped gigantic waves appearing from an otherwise calm river.
VardaValar1: Aye, Eonwe.
VardaValar1: Lands preserved, like Lorien.
ArPharazonV: Oh, by the way, note that I "fell back" to my companions
VardaValar1: Golden hair in the next generations of hobbits after the Lorien soil is released over the Shire.
ArPharazonV: which means we can be having this discussion regardless of whether you bunch joined me in the pursuit or whether you remained in the clearing, and Auros can fit it in wherever he likes.
VardaValar1: Right, smart of you.
Menelvagor Valar: basically it's a matter of someone experiencing extreme concentration, causing the air to heat up and cool down quickly between the person attempting the telekinesis and the object of the attempt that a mini hurricane is created resulting in the object being pushed over.
ArPharazonV: *conversation
Menelvagor Valar: oh bug it.
Menelvagor Valar: just now saw that typo...
ArPharazonV: Heh.
VardaValar1: Nice. Making mini-hurricanes is less magical?
Menelvagor Valar: and dc again I think.
VardaValar1: Fun with typos. : )
ArPharazonV: Not if you... heat up the air.. by extreme concentration?
VardaValar1: I make so many.
ArPharazonV: You're not dcd.
VardaValar1: Good idea, collecting the throwing axes again when you could.
ArPharazonV: Any typo that people can appreciate for an honest laugh is a good typo.
AriehnV: hmm i wonder if heating up the air and causing mini hurricanes is not les magic than moving items at random ;-)
AriehnV: and certainly not outwith the power of the Valar
Menelvagor Valar has left the room.
ArPharazonV: And now he's dcd.
AriehnV: and saying that we know for sure that Gandalf and the noldo certainly were telepaths .. , they sat around the fire at night for hours without seemingly saying a word
AriehnV: but never mind that
AriehnV: different topic :-)
Eonwe Valar: "Now the Eldar were beyond all other peoples skilled in tongues (my note: and the Noldor above all, according to my research) and Felagund discovered also that he could read in the minds of Men such thoughts as they wished to reveal in speech..."
VardaValar1: Nice example.
Eonwe Valar: That's in dealing with Men. With other Elves, Elves are appear to be even more perceptive.
VardaValar1: And aye about typos being good when we get a laugh. We know what the typist meant. : )
Eonwe Valar: *scratched out the "are" after "Elves". I changed my sentence even as I was typing it, hehe.
VardaValar1: and Felagund was meeting Men for the first time. They felt at first they were in a dream listening to him on one of their own harps.
VardaValar1: Poor Menel. Tough connection night.
ArPharazonV: If my server/connection borks out in 10 minutes like it did a week ago, I'm going to be very upset.
Eonwe Valar: "LAws and Customs of the Eldat" in HoME vol 10 states that Elves are not easily deceived by their own kind.
Eonwe Valar: *Laws, Eldar
VardaValar1: Branwyn-(T)'s latest story now online with us:
VardaValar1: an alternate version of Denethor in The Pyre of Denethor, short story.
VardaValar1: Just posted it.
VardaValar1: lol - date's wrong, Fixing.
VardaValar1: fixed
VardaValar1: Good luck with your connection, Phar.
ArPharazonV: Thanks :-)
ArPharazonV: So am I still here?
VardaValar1: Yes :-)
ArPharazonV: Great!
AriehnV: else Fralis post is ok?
AriehnV: i corrected the typos and exchanged a word myself
VardaValar1: yay for revisions. I had to fix punctuation on mine.
AriehnV: right Valarites time to go westering home :-)
Eonwe Valar: whiping -> wiping I assume. I *try* to mostly ignore typos but this one is close to "whipping" with a distinctly different meaning.
AriehnV: woops lol
AriehnV: yes i mean wiping
AriehnV: hehe changed and bed time :-)
Eonwe Valar: Sleep well :}
AriehnV: time to retreat upstairs :-) and i have an impatient cat wanting to occupy my chair next to me :-)
VardaValar1: Namarie :-)
ArPharazonV: Namarie!
AriehnV: Namarie !
AriehnV has left the room.
Eonwe Valar: I'm going to assume that Calaron didn't disappear into the east, since we're heading that way.
ArPharazonV: He vanished to the west/northwest, and I assume we're heading west.
ArPharazonV: Really, he's gone off to Angmar.
ArPharazonV: Straight line, probably.
Eonwe Valar: d'oh, west is what I meant.
ArPharazonV: yes, I figured :-)
VardaValar1: Straight as possible through trees, patrols, mountains.
ArPharazonV: Aye!
VardaValar1: The local elf patrols will be trying to mop up his mob as they attempt to leave. I added the spider comments to show how they're being hindered.
ArPharazonV: Yes, I liked that.
ArPharazonV: I had the Orcs fall in after him, probably the spiders and orcs being the first to fall behind and be mowed down.
ArPharazonV: But that's ok, because it buys him time to escape, and there's plenny more where they came from!
ArPharazonV: ...Wait, doesn't he have wolf mount somewhere...?
ArPharazonV: Ahh, 't'matters not.
Eonwe Valar: I think he does, yes.
Eonwe Valar: I remember us discussing wolf running speeds a long while back, so I know it came up.
VardaValar1: Get a nice warg. : )
ArPharazonV: Yes, I remember putting orcs on wolves back when I started the ambush.
ArPharazonV: Wonder what happened to them.
ArPharazonV: Finding a stray warg might help him get to Angmar faster :-)
VardaValar1: They're waiting as the backup group that would have attacked next! The orcs and Cal jump on them and race away, faster than the elves can chase them. ta-daaa
VardaValar1: A few are taken down by arrows and spears.
ArPharazonV: Works for me.
VardaValar1: Elves must lug shovels around to clean up after all these battles.
ArPharazonV: Couple of wargs and handlers offscreen to the northwest, waiting there until after the battle or until they get the signal to enter, and when Calaron and friends arrive, they just hop up and go.
VardaValar1: Surprise! Let's go! Like now!
ArPharazonV: Won't be mentioned in the story, but we'll know it's there ;-)
VardaValar1: We can leave out the shovels? ;-)
ArPharazonV: Hehe.
VardaValar1: Phar, you must be about to drop from needing sleep by now.
VardaValar1: You've done a fine job tonight. Go ahead and rest!
VardaValar1: I'm going to go find something to eat.
ArPharazonV: Yes, I soon shall. I'm watching a Let's Play for Reign of Chaos right now, but I think I'll drop after this particular vid.
VardaValar1: okie dokie :-)
VardaValar1: Namarie for now!
ArPharazonV: Namarie!
VardaValar1 has left the room.
ArPharazonV: Saving and sending transcript!