Valar Guild

March 14, 2010 Sunday Meeting

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Ar-Pharazon and Varda.

Attending: (9)
    AriehnV, ArPharazonV, Eomer-(V)/IWF519, Eonwe Valar (presiding), fladrifv, Gilraen-(V)/Iryenth, Grimbold-(T)/HearNoEvil80, Indis-(V)/karakedi25, VardaValar1

    Daylight Savings Time
Meeting begins
    Grimbold-(V) is back. Lots of news.
    Indis' topic: In honor of Pi(e) Day, I thought I might bring up the role of food (and perhaps drink) in Tolkien's Legendarium.
    Forum Role-play discussion.

You have just entered room "valarguildmeetingplace."
Eonwe Valar: Testing
fladrifv has entered the room.
Iryenth has entered the room.
fladrifv: oh early=
fladrifv: ?
ArPharazonV: Hmm... either you're an hour too early or we've got daylight savings in the US?
Eonwe Valar: Heya.
Eonwe Valar: Daylight saving time :}
Iryenth: mhm
Iryenth: Aiya folks
ArPharazonV: Aiya
Eonwe Valar: Heya.
ArPharazonV: Well, good thing I'm not raiding tonight then. Weren't enough people. We're blaming mother's day in England.
ArPharazonV: I wonder when the European switch happens, then, shouldn't be long.
fladrifv: 24th I think
ArPharazonV: 24th is on a wednesday I think
ArPharazonV: internet says 28th
fladrifv: close enough :-)
ArPharazonV: which means we've got the same situation next week :-)
Eonwe Valar: Guess so :}
Eonwe Valar: But if we start earlier, it means you can stay longer, no?
Eonwe Valar: :}
ArPharazonV: yes, but it also means I'd be largely absent for the first hour if we do have a raid, which is very likely :-)
VardaValar1 has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar: Heya Varda :}
ArPharazonV: Aiya Varda
VardaValar1: Aiya Phar, Eonwe, Flad, and Gilraen :-)
VardaValar1: What time is it for you, Phar?
Eonwe Valar: Menel and Tulkas both have invitations, should they choose to accept them :}
fladrifv: Aiya Varda
ArPharazonV: 22:00
ArPharazonV: well, 21:58 but that's not exactly what you wanted to know
VardaValar1: 8pm
ArPharazonV: 10pm
ArPharazonV: nice try though
VardaValar1: oops, 10pm. Stopped at 20 :-)
VardaValar1: Early or late is what I meant, actually.
VardaValar1: Daylight Savings Time today
ArPharazonV: oh, 1 hour early
karakedi25 has entered the room.
karakedi25: Aiya!
Eonwe Valar: OK, my clock says 4pm Central, which is 5pm Valar Time/ US East Coast time.
VardaValar1: Aiya. How goes Sword Hall?
ArPharazonV: means I can stay longer, but will also spend 1 hour still raiding, though today that's not the case because raid was cancelled, will happen next week though
VardaValar1: Aye, same here.
Eonwe Valar: Let's begin the meeting.
VardaValar1: I'd rather make shorter meetings anyway. Pretty hard on all the Europeans as is.
VardaValar1: Eonwe is chairing. : )
karakedi25: we beat all three, but we're taking a break for the meeting
karakedi25: the fire guy is history, until we return :-)

Eonwe Valar: Elen Sila Lumenn Omentielvo!
Eonwe Valar: Membership:
karakedi25: *bows politely* Elen sila!
Eonwe Valar: As we've already established, Daylight Savings Time has begun in the US.
Eonwe Valar: Europe will have it the 29th, according to a quick check by Phar :}
Eonwe Valar: er, 28th, finger hit wrong number, hehe.
ArPharazonV: which is, for the quick mathematicians among us, 2 weeks from now ;-)
Eonwe Valar: Do we have any other member news?
VardaValar1: Aye
Eonwe Valar: Your floor :}
VardaValar1: Tulkas left today for a six week vacation to the Dominican Republic. A beach house, warm water. (Follows Tulkas)
Eonwe Valar: Hehe, nice :} Hope he enjoys it :}
VardaValar1: Been speaking with a couple of people who may be joining us.
karakedi25: in LotRO?
VardaValar1: Fangorn is away 2 weeks starting last Wednesday, but asked family to bring in his characters for the cooking quests.
VardaValar1: Yes, Indis.
VardaValar1: I'm done.
Eonwe Valar: Thanks.
VardaValar1: Oh,
Eonwe Valar: Go ahead :}
VardaValar1: Today is Pi Day.
VardaValar1: aka Pie Day if you're in LotRO. :-)
VardaValar1: Done now. Maybe. ;-)
ArPharazonV: Pi day?
Eonwe Valar: The day of 3.1415... ?
ArPharazonV: this pi?
Eonwe Valar: Haha, I get it :}
VardaValar1: Pi the unending number, better if it's the unending Pie.
karakedi25: if you're a hobbit, anyway
Eonwe Valar: 3/14 :}
VardaValar1: Just hobbits?
ArPharazonV: Ah! Of course, I was wondering about that, Eonwe.
karakedi25: they're the real pie specialists
VardaValar1: Fractions are more accurate in a lot of ways. :-)
ArPharazonV: just like I once referred to 3:14 am as pi o'clock
VardaValar1: I'll eat a pie made by a hobbit, share the wealth time.
VardaValar1: : )
Eonwe Valar: Thanks Varda :}
karakedi25: as long as it's not one of those spoiled ones we have to run around with
VardaValar1: We got rid of those for Holly Hornblower, as must be done.
karakedi25: you never know--maybe she's saving them for Lobelia
VardaValar1: Smart!
Eonwe Valar: PI day is an "actual" holiday, to make sure it's clear :}
Eonwe Valar: A quick look reveals Pi Approximation Day is July 22nd, from 22/7, the fraction form of PI :}
ArPharazonV: hmm, of course actual pi can't be expressed as a fraction (yet?), so even that is still an approximation, as the day is aptly called
ArPharazonV: just like e!
Eonwe Valar: Ok, let's move on to Web :}
Eonwe Valar: Aye, technically both 3.14 and 22/7 seem to be approximations.

Eonwe Valar: Web: Constant background work on the Games Page going :} Hopefully it'll be done *before* the GPMU for once :}

Eonwe Valar: Gaming:
Eonwe Valar: WoW:
Eonwe Valar: No patch 3.3.3 yet :}
ArPharazonV: nope! but background download has started
ArPharazonV: so shouldn't be long
Eonwe Valar: Aye, it has.
VardaValar1: Emergency maintenance happened this morning in WoW.
Eonwe Valar: IF you get a chance, you should also take a look at the Mastery preview they gave.
VardaValar1: ok now
Eonwe Valar:
ArPharazonV: myeah, I wonder what feral mastery will be... it's still notorious for being a 2-role tree
ArPharazonV: which I've always enjoyed it being,of course, but I'm wondering how they'll handle it
Eonwe Valar: I missed the emergency maintainance, lucky me :} Glad it's done now.
ArPharazonV: oh, thanks for the thread... answered me already ;-)
ArPharazonV: Ferals will have passive bonuses that say Cat: melee damage done, Bear: damage reduction.
Eonwe Valar: They'll probably go with something that both Cat and Bear can use.
ArPharazonV: so it'll depend on our form

Eonwe Valar: LotRO:
Eonwe Valar: So Pie Day is going on? :}
VardaValar1: Unofficially
VardaValar1: In the Shire, there is much pie making and joking.
karakedi25: I don't know of any particular festivities.
Eonwe Valar: Aw, I thought maybe Turbine had supported it. WOuld be amusing.
karakedi25: ah, of course
VardaValar1: I was there and heard it, whilst farming to make flour. This is one of the new things.
Eonwe Valar: It is fitting that Pies are round :}
VardaValar1: It might be supported, but not aware of it.
ArPharazonV: hmm, might not be coincidence, Eonwe ;-)
VardaValar1: *checks diameter and circumference of pie*
karakedi25: as it turns out, flour is one of the most profitable things you can make as a farmer/cook
ArPharazonV: determining pi on a pie, Varda?
VardaValar1: No better way!
karakedi25: you can sell flour to vendors for far more than it cost to make it, and it may even sell well in the AH
VardaValar1: I send it to my cook. : )
ArPharazonV: I wouldn't be surprised if the first pie-makers decided to call round pastries "pies" because they're round
VardaValar1: When do get the Day of the Cookie?
karakedi25: on the forum, nearly every day seems to be cookie day, spelled 'cooky'
VardaValar1: Day of the Cookies
VardaValar1: I like more than one
Eonwe Valar: Anything big go on this week for us on Landroval, and re tehre any plans for the coming week?
Eonwe Valar: *are there
VardaValar1: We ran Urugarth together a few times, group changed each time a bit.
karakedi25: we have a core of regulars that seem to come almost every evening:
VardaValar1: That will continue and then on to Carn Dum.
VardaValar1: We also often do Sword Hall, which we just dragged Indis from.
karakedi25: Eomer, Varda, Nimrodel, Gildor, ....
karakedi25: who else, Varda (am having a senior moment)
VardaValar1: Eomer, Gorlim
VardaValar1: Finarfin
karakedi25: right
karakedi25: Indis
VardaValar1: If you are still in LotRO, look in th ekin list for recent folk.
VardaValar1: Lindir
karakedi25: this morning a number of melkorites came on
VardaValar1: They have a regular Sunday morning run.
VardaValar1: Orome has been in and out all week, Rosie some.
karakedi25: that's pretty much the regular list, but I see that our friends channel seems to be getting more use
VardaValar1: Amroth was in
VardaValar1: Dis
karakedi25: Faramir checks in from time to time
karakedi25: in terms of events, we continue to level alts and work towards being able to farm end-game
VardaValar1: Tulkas was in a lot this week.
karakedi25: quite a lot yesterday, actually
karakedi25: Melkor is in by proxy (his kids bring him in for crafting and such)
VardaValar1: Melkor being on vacation.
karakedi25: I see that Ancalagon was on some, too
karakedi25: Pippin is taking a bit of a break from LotRO...
Eonwe Valar has left the room.
karakedi25: he's playing Oblivion, but he comes in from time to time to see what's happening
VardaValar1: ack
Eonwe Valar has entered the room.
ArPharazonV: Aiyata
VardaValar1: Anc comes in and out, ran with us in Urugarth.
Eonwe Valar: Well, I clicked the wrong spot when Checking IMs, so someone else will have to send a transcript.
VardaValar1: If we're not doing anything interesting, he'll go on out.
VardaValar1: okie dokie
karakedi25: did you mention Landroval (the player)?
VardaValar1: Landroval is on a good bit.
karakedi25: Eonwe is on sometimes late at night--he and I are the only ones who are on sometimes.
VardaValar1: Arien was on.
karakedi25: Auros is growing into the powerful Noldo he is meant to be.

VardaValar1: Anyone know what Menelvagor plays these days?
Eonwe Valar: He had popped into WoW a few weeks ago.
karakedi25: no idea, and I haven't seen him on for some time
Eonwe Valar: Afraid that's all I've seen of him in a game.
karakedi25: Arien sometimes comes in too
Menelvagor Valar has entered the room.
Menelvagor Valar: Aiya!
ArPharazonV: speak of the devil
ArPharazonV: Aiya :-)
karakedi25: aiya!
karakedi25: \
VardaValar1: Hail
karakedi25: Or at least, speak of the Sickle :-)
Menelvagor Valar: Sorry, missed the first invite. noticed only when Varda PM'd me.
Eonwe Valar: We should probably move on with the meeting. Suffice it to say, we've had alot of people showing up in LotRO this week :}
Eonwe Valar: Sickle would be Valacirca :}
karakedi25: true. My error
Menelvagor Valar: I'd be the belt :-)
karakedi25: the guardian's belt
VardaValar1: What do you play these days, Menel?
Menelvagor Valar: wow mostly.
VardaValar1: A few weeks ago in Lothar?
Menelvagor Valar: I stepped in on Lothar for a bit I think, aye.
Menelvagor Valar: Mostly to relate to a few personal things, which I caught you for in LotRO.
Menelvagor Valar: The good news is that I am levelling a US pally.
Menelvagor Valar: the bad news is, it's on a different server.
VardaValar1: Why?
Menelvagor Valar: had to ask an acquaintance of mine a question of some import to me, and promptly found a nice and upcoming raiding guild.
VardaValar1: You could do that in Europe.
Menelvagor Valar: I am.
karakedi25: we miss you in Middle Earth :-)
Menelvagor Valar: I suppose, but for some weird reason or another, WoW keeps pulling me back.
Menelvagor Valar: attraction of a first date I guess.
ArPharazonV: it's evil that way
VardaValar1: Ok, thanks.
Menelvagor Valar: well, that and a RL friend asked me to join her guild on EU.
Eonwe Valar: So now we knwo where you are :}
Menelvagor Valar: yeah. have been doing very little else but leveling the din.

Eonwe Valar: Has anyone played anything besides WoW or LotRO this week? time to wrap up gaming and move on to Tolkien.
VardaValar1: SCBW
Eonwe Valar: Anyone else?
Menelvagor Valar: Played some SCBW as well, but that was a couple weeks back.
Menelvagor Valar: can't wait for SCII tbh.
Eonwe Valar: That goes for many of us.
ArPharazonV: played a bit of Guildwars, just to make an appearance to my guild
ArPharazonV: checked, but Arien wasn't in there at the time :-)
ArPharazonV: and yeah, SCII should be fun
VardaValar1: Some are looking forward to D3
ArPharazonV: I'm interested in that too, partially, not sure if I'm going to get it. Saw a few trailers and gameplay vids on the Blizz youtube channel, quite alluring.
ArPharazonV: Made me consider playing the first 2 games, just to see what it's all about: I never really got very far in either of them.
Eonwe Valar: Any other business before we move on to Tolkien?

HearNoEvil80 has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar: Heya Grimbold :} Long time no see :}
karakedi25: Aiya!
HearNoEvil80: Eonwe! Oh my goodness yes it has!
VardaValar1: Aiya Grimbold : )
HearNoEvil80: Aiya!
VardaValar1: What have you been gaming in if anything these days? : )
ArPharazonV: Aiya!
HearNoEvil80: I've just come back to WoW probably last month. That is all I really have time for since Life pretty much happened to me these past years.
Eonwe Valar: Sounds rough. Hope you've been well enough.
VardaValar1: Hope it was a good life. : )
HearNoEvil80: I have actually, and yes it was a good life, just fast and unexpected to be sure.
HearNoEvil80: Graduated college, got married, bought house....all in the span of less than 2 yrs.
Eonwe Valar: Wow, that's alot in 2 years.
VardaValar1: Busy guy!
Menelvagor Valar: congrats are in order I suppose *smile*
Eonwe Valar: Aye, I'd have to say congratulations are in order :}
HearNoEvil80: Well thank you!
Eonwe Valar: Congratulations :}
Eonwe Valar: We were just about to begin the Tolkien topic :}
Eonwe Valar: Hope you've got your books at the ready :}
HearNoEvil80: oh unfortunately I don't, all my "preciouses" are in storage at the moment.
HearNoEvil80: preciouses= "Books"
Eonwe Valar: Darn.
VardaValar1: That sounds like a person after a move alright. : )
ArPharazonV: I guess I'll go collect the relevant books from upstairs as they come up ;-)
Eonwe Valar: Well, memory should work well enough I hope :}
HearNoEvil80: Yes the wife is more into movies than books...I'm still working on converting her *smirk*
Eonwe Valar: hehe
Eonwe Valar: Here we go :}

Eonwe Valar: Tolkien:
Eonwe Valar: Our topic comes from Indis. Go ahead, Indis.
VardaValar1: Indis is also gaming in LotRO, may be afk.
karakedi25: In honor of Pi(e) Day, I thought I might bring up the role of food (and perhaps drink) in Tolkien's Legendarium
karakedi25: Thoughts?
ArPharazonV: Cram!
VardaValar1: Lembas to your dwarvish cram.
karakedi25: hehe....
Eonwe Valar: Enjoyment would be a role.
Eonwe Valar: In the case of cram, basic sustenance would be its role :}
ArPharazonV: actually, I think Cram is human-made, though in Dale/Esgaroth so close enough [note: correct]
VardaValar1: Waybread was used by elves and dwarves for traveling.
karakedi25: anything for hobbits, especially the things that "fill in the corners"
ArPharazonV: and yeah, waybread... Cram and Lembas as prime examples
Eonwe Valar: Some food and drink was just good enough to keep someone alive (the water that Sam was forced to fill their skins with in Mordor.
karakedi25: Do you suppose there were regional variations in foods?
HearNoEvil80: Going off the movies for the moment, (lower your weapons I'll get off the movies in a bit *smirk*)
karakedi25: For example, the Beornings were rather fond of honey.
HearNoEvil80: I always viewed it as a moment and time to gather and enjoy company of others.
ArPharazonV: Probably, Indis, though with the presence of different races in Middle-Earth, variations were probably more race-related than strictly location.
karakedi25: I was thinking of Men in particular, who would almost certainly have had a lot of local variation
Eonwe Valar: Some of us enjoyed the movies well enough, Grimbold, even if they weren't strictly to the book :}
ArPharazonV: Aye, that is true. The Beornings had honeycakes, and yes, I'll say it again: Dale had Cram.
karakedi25: I liked the movies a lot, granted their artistic license of course
ArPharazonV: so even when there's just a forest (just?) seperating them, they still have their own cuisine
Eonwe Valar: Aye, there were several meals that were a time of gathering and enjoying company.
ArPharazonV: was there any mention of food in the Bree inn?
HearNoEvil80: I especially liked the way food then changed into pipe tobacco(sp?)
karakedi25: of course they did. Partly because of what was available, different climates...
karakedi25: and because like languages, customs drift away from each other when communities are isolated from each other
karakedi25: and regional pride of course
HearNoEvil80: I view it as Food= sharing of information/stories and the pipe tobacco = digesting of aforementioned information/stories with their own advice mixed in etc.
Eonwe Valar: Do you hjave any particular meals in mind, Grimbold?
Eonwe Valar: hjave = have
HearNoEvil80: again going off the movies since my book is vague at this point due to inability to enjoy rereading them.
Eonwe Valar: And aye, different peopels would have different cuisines.
HearNoEvil80: I think my favorite 2 are dealing with Rohan.
HearNoEvil80: When the children came to the Hall they were sharing food when the fellowship as they were, were sharing information
HearNoEvil80: in more of a crisis looming period, the other is after the victory of Helm's Deep when they celebrated
HearNoEvil80: more with the drinking of ales rather than the consumption of food.
karakedi25: feasts had a number of social functions...
Eonwe Valar: Aye.
karakedi25: sharing, of course, and gathering...
ArPharazonV: ah yes, Gimli vs Legolas drinking... and Merry and Pippin dancing and singing on the table
HearNoEvil80: I've always noted too how most of the food/drink seem to be related to moods, and that goes for every situation not all LotR related too.
karakedi25: but also honoring a person or event
HearNoEvil80: Indeed....and honoring the fallen like Kara has already mentioned.
karakedi25: and sometimes displaying wealth and power
karakedi25: none of that is limited to Middle Earth of course
HearNoEvil80: True, true tot he displaying aspect.
karakedi25: What about food in Valinor, and among the Ainur?
karakedi25: Did they live only on music?
karakedi25: ;-)
HearNoEvil80: of the Gods and for the soul.
AriehnV has entered the room.
AriehnV: aiya all :-)
HearNoEvil80: Aiya!
Eonwe Valar: We know they had feasts at each first gathering of fruits to praise Eru.
karakedi25: Aiya, Arien
IWF519 has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Eomer, aiya : )
Eonwe Valar: Heya Arien and Eomer :}
VardaValar1: Food discussion. : )
IWF519: Aia Varda
IWF519: oooh
IWF519: buttered noodles !!
Eonwe Valar: We're discussing food in Arda, right now on the feasts of the Valar.
ArPharazonV: I'm not sure if the Ainur were used to consuming foods. The feasts seemed mainly for the present Elves. But I can't be sure, of course.
ArPharazonV: then again, why wouldn't they enjoy the fruits of the earth?
karakedi25: Aiya Eomer, and welcome :-)
Eonwe Valar: In physical forms, they were capable of anything an incarnate being was capable of.
ArPharazonV: yes, but would they need to? and would they be in the habit of?
karakedi25: and surely would have enjoyed the pleasures of incarnation, including good food and drink
VardaValar1: Tulkas got a little soused at his wedding feast. : )  [note: incorrect. Corrected later.]
karakedi25: It would probably have been optional for them, but still a matter of pleasure
Eonwe Valar: Need to? No, but why pass on the enjoyment of eating an apple? Or apple pie? :}
karakedi25: sounds like Tulkas ;-)
VardaValar1: Proves that they could and did ingest at times at least.
Eonwe Valar: (As we've said jokingly before :}) We all know the real reason Bilbo, Frodo, and Sam were let into Aman is to give the Valar a chance to sample Hobbit cuisine :}
karakedi25: and especially when sharing feasts with the Eldar
VardaValar1: hehe
karakedi25: best possible reason :-)
ArPharazonV: I imagine the Elves bringing the concept of food to the non-eating Valar... "Wait, are you saying that Yavanna's fruit-stuff is actually edible?"
IWF519: 'I thought it just looked nice'
Eonwe Valar: Except the Elves weren't at Tulkas' wedding :}
karakedi25: nah, I'm sure she intended it to be edible and a joy to Ainur and the Children alike
VardaValar1: Orome hunted and I don't think just for sport.
karakedi25: Melian probably feasted with Thingol regularly
Eonwe Valar: Now, the Valar would've no doubt encouraged the Eldar to express their creativity in the realm of cooking just as they did in other areas.
ArPharazonV: Which the Eldar, of course, brought with them to Beleriand, and taught the Sindar and Edain?
karakedi25: why wouldn't the Sindar know how to cook already?
Eonwe Valar: There probably was some exchange of cuisine, aye.
ArPharazonV: wellll, Indis, perhaps not in the quality as they practiced in Valinor ;-)
karakedi25: Doriath had a high level of civilization, so exchange is more likely than simple teaching
Eonwe Valar: Aye, maybe exchange of cooking techniques, broiling as opposed to roasting, or different spices, that kind of thing.
karakedi25: and yes, Aule as the creator of artisanry probably came up with some special recipes
VardaValar1: When Yavanna stood as a tree, golden dew dripped from all the branches and the earth turned green with corn.
VardaValar1: Valaquenta
karakedi25: and Yavanna would have brought about some unique ingredients, no doubt, some of which might have been exported to Endor
ArPharazonV: hmm, corn, invented on the western continent....
ArPharazonV: I smell parallel
ArPharazonV: I bet chocolate comes from Aman as well :-)
karakedi25: though to Tolkien, corn may have meant wheat
VardaValar1: "From the fountains of Irmo and Este all those who dwell in Valinor drew refreshment..."
karakedi25: he probably would have called what we call corn 'maize'
VardaValar1: Had to have chocolate! The food of the gods indeed.
karakedi25: Theobromine!
VardaValar1: It says corn in the book though, maybe translated. : )
VardaValar1: ahh, says Orome's hunting in Valinor trained his people and hounds for the hunting of the evil creatures of Melkor.
karakedi25: it does, but he may well have meant wheat
VardaValar1: Since it is the West, it could have been either.
ArPharazonV: I doubt Orome'd waste the meat though, it would seem likely that they ate the spoils of the hunt, even though that was not their primary reason for hunting.
VardaValar1: I take it back about Tulkas being soused at his wedding. He and Aule were very tired from their labors.
Eonwe Valar: If he hunted the evil beasts of Melkor, he wouldn't eat the meat or use it in any other way.
VardaValar1: The wedding had a feast, doesn't say who all ate it.
ArPharazonV: Of course not, Eonwe, but these weren't the evil beasts of Melkor yet, even if he was training for those.
VardaValar1: Orome's people probably put the meat on the table from their hunts though. : )
AriehnV: a nice bit of game or venison .. yum
ArPharazonV: venison is deer, right?
VardaValar1: aye
ArPharazonV: then what is game?
AriehnV: aye , i think game includes rabbit
VardaValar1: Aye
VardaValar1: Any wild meat animal.
ArPharazonV: so game includes venison, allright
VardaValar1: Any animal hunted.
VardaValar1: Aye
karakedi25: what Varda said
Eonwe Valar: "Laws and Customs Among the Eldar" tells us that Neri (male Eldar) liked to cook :} The making of bread is done mostly by Nissi (female Eldar), and the making of lembas is reserved to them by ancient law.
karakedi25: nice find
Eonwe Valar: Doesn't say Elrond *couldn't* make lembas, just says he's not allowed to, hehe.
VardaValar1: Aule was also a husbandman, but mostly all dealing with things that grow and bear fruit must look to Yavanna.
karakedi25: and in Middle Earth, it was reserved to Galadriel and her 'staff'
VardaValar1: Giving out of lembas was generally by the ruling lady, like Galadriel.
VardaValar1: Orome is also a tamer of beasts, so that helped start animal domestication.
karakedi25: thus Imladris had miruvor as its special
karakedi25: since it didn't 'do' lembas
Eonwe Valar: One would wonder why Arwen wouldn't have made lembas to send with the Fellowship, given the love of her life was going, but then I guess it wouldn't have been so special when Galadriel gave it :}
karakedi25: plus it wasn't her privilege to make or give it
ArPharazonV: I'm not sure Arwen counts as a ruling lady while her dad's in charge, and her grandmother's specializing in them.
ArPharazonV: Just as grandma used to make em....
karakedi25: or makes them...
ArPharazonV: Maybe when Galadriel and Elrond left Middle-earth, Arwen, despite living among humans now, was allowed to make lembas ;-)
karakedi25: no one to tell her not to, assuming she knew how
karakedi25: do you suppose that miruvor was made/used outside of Imladris?
ArPharazonV: probably just on expeditions out of Imladris, if anything, like the Fellowship or the Grey Company
VardaValar1: Arwen would have been the ruling lady among the human folk, so she would have been allowed to give out lembas. But would she be required to be a full elf to make them, I wonder?
VardaValar1: Dorwinion wine was served in Mirkwood at the royal table.
karakedi25: she was considered a full elf by descent, though she gave up her immortality, I'd think
karakedi25: and doubtless in Dale
VardaValar1: She was given the choice of the Half-elven.
karakedi25: so she chose not to be elven, but she grew up more or less as an elf....
karakedi25: I wonder if that would still give her some 'residual' rights
VardaValar1: On cram, aye, it's made by men of Dale and Gimli was not fond of it. He had apparently eaten it before and feared lembas would be as bad, but was pleasantly surprised.
VardaValar1: Arwen would have chosen elf, but then she fell in love with Aragorn and changed her mind.
VardaValar1: Aye.
karakedi25: and Gollum couldn't eat it
VardaValar1: Aye
karakedi25: which brings us to Gollum's diet: raw meat and fish
karakedi25: cooked rabbit disgusted him
ArPharazonV: stewed rabbit, actually!
VardaValar1: He had been away from cooked food for a very long time under the mountain.
ArPharazonV: Aye, he had grown used to a diet of raw goblin meat and fish from his lake
karakedi25: which is doubtless intended to portray him as having lost all civilization
karakedi25: under the influence of the ring
ArPharazonV: well if you had been eating raw for the past 500 years, I wonder if you still had a taste for anything cooked?
ArPharazonV: but yes, the repulsion of cooked meats, Elven-food (and -rope) and the Sun does portray him as pretty much the opposite of "good" civilization
ArPharazonV: or at least getting used to the general environment of deep mountainous goblin-caves to the rejection of all else
AriehnV: not to mention elven trees :-)
AriehnV: Gollum didnt like climbing in the mallyrn trees
ArPharazonV: anyway, my point being, it might not have been specifically because of the influence of the Ring, but rather the location of his life for the past 500 years.
AriehnV: and said he couldnt get rid of the ir "stink"
karakedi25: the location of his life was a direct function of his possession of the Ring
AriehnV: a consequence i'd say
ArPharazonV: yes, but it wasn't the Ring that gave him the rejection directly
ArPharazonV: of course, the anti-Elven thing might be a different matter
ArPharazonV: but then I'd wonder if it should not have slightly affected Bilbo as well?
AriehnV: i dont know .. Bilbo never really let the ring influence him very much apart from what became aparent in his talk with Gandalf
karakedi25: it did, but since he didn't get it in a truly evil way, nor did he use it for evil, it didn't lead him in the same direction
ArPharazonV: it helps that he only had the Ring for... 12% of the time Gollum had it?
karakedi25: it did wear him down though--the remark about feeling stretched and thin like too little butter on too much bread (note food metaphor)
AriehnV: Bilbo certainly remained fond of partys , food, tea, pipe-weed and merrymaking
ArPharazonV: well, it probably wasn't exactly 500 years
karakedi25: (sorry, analogy)
AriehnV: and travelling
AriehnV: its ok , Indis, Bilbo used that himself :-)
ArPharazonV: but I was more talking about the rejection of anything Elvish, which Bilbo didn't have in the slightest that we could see
AriehnV: nah he kept visiting the elves after acqioring the ring
karakedi25: no I meant it's not a metaphor, but an analogy, the way he said it
karakedi25: good discussion, but maybe time to wrap it up
karakedi25: one thing though--the RP people are here....
karakedi25: anything to say about next steps?
Eonwe Valar: Aye, the discussion on food has trailed off :}
ArPharazonV: on food, I'll just say one more thing: mushrooms!

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Eonwe Valar: Are the Rp contributors *really* here? :} Say aye if you are :}
ArPharazonV: aye, though not for long
karakedi25: aye
VardaValar1: aye
karakedi25: Arien and Menel?
VardaValar1: Will we be able to get a post on the ambush after we move out a ways?
ArPharazonV: I should be able to launch into that. Been thinking of some dramatic descriptions. I have a lot of this planned out in one way or another but I feel like I'm drawing it to myself a lot.
ArPharazonV: So I like to embrace scenes like where we are now as ways for people to get their fill in... and be happy to say that after the ambush, I've only got some bits in Angmar to worry about ;-)
VardaValar1: The rain should help mess up the powers, washing out a lot of gulhuine (sp).
karakedi25: I'd guess we'll all have times when we're the center of the story
VardaValar1: That should be part of why we survive the ambush and he can come to himself just barely.
VardaValar1: We can all pitch in.
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karakedi25: I guess Meren will find some useful herbs either around or in her pack for healing him
VardaValar1: He can come to himself slightly for just long enough to think he should not kill his own brother, at least. That would be a strong feeling to have to mask.
ArPharazonV: I do want to finish the story-arc I've brought us in, and I do have some good ideas on how to tie up the loose ends I've introduced. But I will be glad when it's over. The years where I liked to play the evil character... I think I've outgrown them.
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VardaValar1: Welcome back, Gilraen. : )
Eonwe Valar: That's another interesting thing I was reminded of as I was browsing through "Laws and Customs" : the Eldar believed the dealing of deal actually weakened ones ability in healing.
VardaValar1: Interesting, Phar. : )
Eonwe Valar: *dealing of death
ArPharazonV: And Calaron's part will, indeed, not end at the ambush. He will not be healed here, and while the influence is weakened, the weakening is not permanent.
karakedi25: ok, then Meren will stand back
VardaValar1: Aye, so Elrond wasn't supposed to be out there beating on things a lot, nor should our healer, if that is her function.
VardaValar1: As I understood, she was more a lore-master than a healer.
VardaValar1: Any Mirkwood elf should be carrying antidote vs spiders and orc poison.
Eonwe Valar: Aye.
VardaValar1: Wasn't Calaron going to run back to the ruins and we were going to fight him again there?
ArPharazonV: In fact, he should hardly get into the battle here, probably just taking some shots from the back (I'm not sure how to do those yet, as of course he won't be killing anyone yet.... probably the rain will make him conflicted) while sending beasts and probably some Orcs at us.
VardaValar1: Wasn't he leading the attack, even if not from the front?
karakedi25: she is a lore-master, but her lore includes herbalism
VardaValar1: If he stumbles mentally, that can also give the attack problems.
ArPharazonV: I'm trying to work in a confrontation between the 2 brothers before he scarpers to Angmar, but without luring anyone into the forest, that's probably going to be hard to pull off.
karakedi25: I didn't plan for her to throw burning embers and cast lightning
VardaValar1: His brother may try to go to him.
VardaValar1: I figure Fainan will at first assume he's been captured.
ArPharazonV: And yeah, he'll be leading it. But as a scout with ranged skill (and possessed by what is technically a caster) he won't be going for the frontlines in this occasion.
karakedi25: how quickly will his brother realize that he's possessed?
ArPharazonV: Probably when Calaron takes a swing at him.
VardaValar1: Probably have an idea when a spear or arrow comes at him, or a fist, aye.: )
ArPharazonV: Probably arrow, actually.
ArPharazonV: Which Calion will of course recognize by the same marks he recognized back at Thranduil's.
karakedi25: he'll know something's wrong with Calaron, but will he recognize the sorcery?
ArPharazonV: I've also been pondering why Calaron wouldn't kill them outright (although of course the rain etc is a factor)
VardaValar1: Fletching tends to be individual too, hard to do like machines.
ArPharazonV: but I'm thinking he knows that Auros is on some sort of mission, and would like to spare them for interrogation
VardaValar1: Kin-slaying is considered heinous, fratricide would be worse.
ArPharazonV: he has Calaron's memories, or at least some of them, obviously
ArPharazonV: The situation presents a lot of gaps I need to fill. It's good to be able to discuss them with those also involved, and with other(better) insights than mine.
VardaValar1: He should have them all, just buried.
VardaValar1: or at least different.
ArPharazonV: Yes.
VardaValar1: We will be leaving this shelter and heading out. The next encounter will be this one, and time may have passed.
ArPharazonV: Well, I thought I could wing it and let things come as a surprise to you, but we might as well plan out the event a bit. I was thinking with our party noticing something's wrong (Gulhuine felt?) and slowing down/stopping right before an arrow flies a foot or so before someone's face, into a tree. Yes, I can be dramatic.
VardaValar1: (On the Membership page for this year, all active and some inactive emails should now show NOSPAM in front of them to give spiders even more trouble.)
Eonwe Valar: An arrow that missed would be a sign the possossor is not in complete control of the possessee.
Eonwe Valar: *possessor
VardaValar1: The Gulhuine comes from the mountain area and perhaps from Angmar's ruins? So it would not be a warning, if I understand correctly.
VardaValar1: Or a warning shot.
VardaValar1: Or poor orcish shooting. ;-)
Eonwe Valar: I was assuming Calaron as the originator of the arrow, but Varda has a point :}
ArPharazonV: Yes, Calaron would be the originator, together with the previously mentioned recognition of the arrow by Calion.
VardaValar1: The arrow has a point. o bad.
Eonwe Valar: hehe
VardaValar1: Fainan might assume the orcs had gleaned the arrow even as she picks up used arrows.
ArPharazonV: And I was more thinking about the "warning" as something that emanated from Calaron/whoever was possessing him, together with some influenced beasts etc.
VardaValar1: That could work.
ArPharazonV: There should be some indication implied there that tips us off that something's wrong.
VardaValar1: We feel a fell shadowy presence. : )
ArPharazonV: Could be :-) I don't know if it's the Gulhuine, or a bit of a shadow in the trees, or just an eerie silence (It's too quiet!) but there has to be something ;-)
VardaValar1: We slow a bit because of it, unlike with normal orcs. Think *dread* effect in LotRO.
VardaValar1: It's like we had earlier where the corruption was in the wolves.
ArPharazonV: well I don't play LotRO, but I'll take your word for it... and that is one of those examples of different insights :-)
VardaValar1: Play it! Play it! *ducks*
Eonwe Valar: Think the effect Nazgul have on people, to a lesser degree.
VardaValar1: Aye
Eonwe Valar: If Nazgul is 10, Calaron might be somewhere between 1 and 3.
ArPharazonV: There's still one factor I'm hiding from you which will come into play, but while it'll make an appearance right after the ambush, we won't come into contact with it until Angmar. I'll let you ponder that for a while, and we can discuss it when the time comes.
karakedi25: but elves in particular would perceive it
Eonwe Valar: Aye.
ArPharazonV: Oh, and it's related to a loose end I already introduced earlier in the story. But that's all I'll say for now.
ArPharazonV: So anyway, we ride, we slow down, arrow misses us.
ArPharazonV: If I was being overly cliche there would be a note tied to the arrow, but let's not do that.
VardaValar1: Just it being his is a note to his fellow elves.
ArPharazonV: "Surrender now and give us your secrets or we'll kill you all right now!" seems a bit far-fetched.
ArPharazonV: And yes, we'll be able to recognize it as an Elven arrow, and Calion will know who it's from.
VardaValar1: We have a secret? :-) Auros would be the only one.
Eonwe Valar: They arrow *should* hit something nearby though, or we'd have to chase it down to find out who it's from etc, and we're more likely to make a run for it than try to track down and arrow.
karakedi25: or at least who made it
VardaValar1: Aye, we have lots of tree trunks to hit. : )
Eonwe Valar: Aye :}
ArPharazonV: Yeah. It'll hit a tree on the other side (south side, as the ambush is from the north) of the path.
ArPharazonV: Can't believe I haven't mentioned that yet.
AriehnV: as for frali as long theres some heads to chop he ll find a use for his axe .. he d love a wee stramash
VardaValar1: It's enough to make us upset just to think his arrow was being reused by orcs!
VardaValar1: We should have plenty to attack. : )
ArPharazonV: Of course we'll be alert after the arrow strikes, probably followed by some beasts and maybe an Orc or two Calaron was able to gather.
ArPharazonV: Could be a small army, theoretically, since he had all night to stay ahead of us.
VardaValar1: Spiders, being intelligent, might be useful to him.
Eonwe Valar: I was under the assumption Calaron had a bunch of orcs, unless patrols had already dimished his troops some.
ArPharazonV: But we don't want to overdo it. I want to save something for Angmar ;-)
VardaValar1: There should be tons for Angmar.
ArPharazonV: And yes, what Eonwe said.
VardaValar1: We need to find that staff, there will be ruins and oodles of baddies.
Eonwe Valar: Which part, the patrols diminishing his orc population?
VardaValar1: I too expected him to have orcs.
ArPharazonV: I meant there being Orcs in his command.
VardaValar1: Don't underdo it. We have a fair sized party wanting action!
ArPharazonV: There could at least be a dozen Orcs in the frontline. I'm just trying to balance two things: What can he get together (a lot) and what can we take on? (not so much)
ArPharazonV: Any thoughts?
ArPharazonV: would 20 Orcs be overdoing it?
Eonwe Valar: We know there are Elven hunting parties in Mirkwood to keep the orc population down somewhat.
Eonwe Valar: Depending on the orcs.
ArPharazonV: Yes. But we just lost an outpost in the Northwestern forest to a group of Orcs, which completely overwhelmed Calaron's batallion.
ArPharazonV: Bound to be some of those hanging about.
karakedi25: Calaron might well be commanding some of those orcs now
ArPharazonV: patrols or not, as of several days back, we are not in control of this area of Mirkwood
Eonwe Valar: We don't have an army of Noldor fresh out of Aman, but regular orcs seem to go down easily enough despite outnumbering their opponents to an extent.
ArPharazonV: And that's what I was thinking, Indis.
Eonwe Valar: So we're going to get drawn off the road?
ArPharazonV: he's probably the senior officer of evil hanging out in that part of the woods now, so to speak
ArPharazonV: Not too far anyway, part of the battle at least should take place on the road, with them attacking us.
ArPharazonV: Though we might get drawn in to get some varied action and perhaps some solo action for our heroes. We'd still need to figure out how that'd happen though.
karakedi25: when the party first sees Calaron's arrow, they my wonder if he's been captured and feel the need to try to rescue him
ArPharazonV: That'd work!
karakedi25: *may
Eonwe Valar: Calion particularly may try that.
VardaValar1: I posted. We're on our way. : )
ArPharazonV: Yep. Though if I remember my posts right, he's already suspecting something up with Calaron himself. The aimed strike at Elmire (I think her name was), for example, points to knowledge that only Calaorn could've had.
ArPharazonV: *ron
ArPharazonV: I'll try to initiate the ambush (dual post by Calaron and Calion) this week. If you want any pre-ambush action, I'd suggest you do it fast, unless you want me to wait.
VardaValar1: I have us on the move, so anyone can post now.
ArPharazonV: *nod* I read the post
Eonwe Valar: I have nothing specific until Rivendell :} Before that, just travelling and intra-character development.
ArPharazonV: A humanoid figure, able to dodge the patrols, and using Calaron's arrows. It sounded strange to him. But Calion needed more proof before he could put his thoughts in line, for obviously a Mirkwood Elf would not kinslay? Perhaps he was defeated, and his arrows borne off? But why was his cry heard *here*?
ArPharazonV: That's from one of my posts in the Halls.
ArPharazonV: Obviously Calion already suspects the possibility.
ArPharazonV: He did promise his parents, though, to try and find out what happened to his brother. Suspicion or not, he will go after him into the forest.
karakedi25: ok, I also read it
karakedi25: that will get us off the road and into trouble ;-)
ArPharazonV: And even if Calion confronts Calaron here alone, he'll give the information he obtained to the rest of the party. No more place for lone suspicions or secrecy.
VardaValar1: Fainan will not let one of her charges run off the path alone. So he will most likely pull everyone with him.
ArPharazonV: I'll start the ambush this week. Should have some time on tuesday at the latest.
VardaValar1: We may be too busy to listen much though. : )
ArPharazonV: I meant after the ambush itself, of course ;-)
VardaValar1: Ok, anyone wanting to do character-style posting and comments on the situation, or letting us know your condition pre-fight, feel free.
Eonwe Valar: Just what Auros needs, Calion causing more trouble :}
VardaValar1: hehehe
ArPharazonV: I have a feeling that after this is over, I'll be very tired of drawing attention to myself. Calion'll probably be more of a reactive/interactive character than a story-setter.
VardaValar1: Once we start fighting, we'll most likely forget most any soreness, aches, or much in the way of thinking.
VardaValar1: We have a general story arc going with the Ruins of Angmar expansion. ;-)
VardaValar1: Our own version.
VardaValar1: Rohan has been hinted at in the game story as the next expansion after Mirkwood, if we want to work that into our forum rp.
VardaValar1: The widget came from across Rohan, but surely not from Orthanc where that nice White Wizard lives.
VardaValar1: er, staff. Not widget or McGuffin, of course.
VardaValar1: He would surely not be trying to make new forms of staves, or rings!
ArPharazonV: I was contemplating a visit to the North (here be dragons) but I can shove that very conceptual arclet out the window if you want to go elsewhere.
VardaValar1: Ahh, very interesting.
ArPharazonV: Rohan sounds fun.
Eonwe Valar: Certainly not such a wise wizard like Saruman :}
VardaValar1: North first. :-)
VardaValar1: Cold and/or fire drakes?
VardaValar1: The Council Chair could not be evil!
VardaValar1: (much)
ArPharazonV: I really don't mind! All I have for it is the idea of Calion recovering Calaron's ring (the one that channeled the possession) and him trying to destroy it by putting it in front of a dragon, but I've dismissed that as probably a very silly idea
VardaValar1: We could chase a clue down that we find in the Ruins of Angmar, that leads us into drakes, that lead us to know it comes from across Rohan, some tower or two.
ArPharazonV: besides, Gandalf states that there are no longer any dragons that could consume the Rings of Power, and I'm not sure he's just talking about the 20 greater ones there.
Eonwe Valar: He was referring specifically to the One there as I recall.
VardaValar1: Dragon fire might work much better than a campfire, or even a forge.
ArPharazonV: Nope, Eonwe, as he already said that no dragon (not even Ancalagon) could harm the One.
VardaValar1: Elrond might suggest that dragonfire would do it.
VardaValar1: This isn't the One.
ArPharazonV: So Gandalf seems to refer to all the Rings.
ArPharazonV: I'll grab the Fellowship to quote what I derive this from.
VardaValar1: This one might be made by Saruman. The Two Ring.
VardaValar1: Not as strong.
Eonwe Valar: Considering that some of the Seven were destroyed.
karakedi25: by dragon fire
VardaValar1: Aye, so it's a very good thought.
VardaValar1: Since we know Saruman made rings trying to get that sort of power, he might have been involved.
VardaValar1: O pardon, not good Saruman! Maybe some of his apprentices have gone bad!
ArPharazonV: "It has been said that dragon-fire could melt and consume the Rings of Power, but there is not now any dragon left on earth in which the old fire is hot enough;
VardaValar1: oops
VardaValar1: One ancient fire-drake is left in the north that might melt a cheap knock-off Ring?
ArPharazonV: nor was there ever any dragon, not even Ancalagon the Black, who could have harmed the One Ring, the Ruling Ring, for that was made by Sauron himself."
VardaValar1: It might not be a ring, might be an amulet?
ArPharazonV: so the dragon-fire explicitly refers to all the Rings of Power (or the great 20 at least), so even a lesser ring might not be consumable anymore
VardaValar1: Aye, any of those made under Sauron's direction.
ArPharazonV: a ring made by Saruman would be interesting though, and obviously would not fall among the batch made at Eregion
VardaValar1: The Cheap Ring of Saruman though...
karakedi25: it could be a minor ring like Narchuil
VardaValar1: We are trying to work in our dragon bit. : )
VardaValar1: Then we can try to trace the source, as we get the clue from the dragon or something in that area.
ArPharazonV: my quote was from Shadows of the Past, by the way, in case you were wondering, in the paragraph starting "Your small fire would not even melt ordinary gold" or somesuch.
VardaValar1: Thanks.
Eonwe Valar: I was just perusing that same chapter for that reference.
ArPharazonV: as you know I'm trying to keep track of specific Second Age information in my rereading, and anything concerning the Rings in general falls under that
Eonwe Valar: Four of the Seven were consumed by dragons.
VardaValar1: More articles including short ones on rings are welcome. (hint hint)
ArPharazonV: They were, yes, Eonwe. But apparently the dragons aren't hot enough for it anymore :-)
Eonwe Valar: Aye, I was about to say that :}
VardaValar1: Aye, for Sauron's.
ArPharazonV: for any of them *points to quote*
VardaValar1: and those made under his direction.
ArPharazonV: Yes. That included the Dwarven rings.
VardaValar1: But Saruman's?
ArPharazonV: That could work.
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ArPharazonV: If the McGuffin comes from Saruman, the ring could've come the same way.
karakedi25: wasn't it said in LotRO that Narchuil could be destroyed?
karakedi25: and so this could be a ring of that caliber
ArPharazonV: I'm unsure what Narchuil is, but it sounds convenient for us. Does it take dragon-fire?
karakedi25: not sure
karakedi25: not much is said about it, but it is a minor ring of power, and destructible
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karakedi25: no idea what just happened there
ArPharazonV: in any case, it's a lesser ring, has some corrupting power, probably made by Saruman and imported the same way as the staff
ArPharazonV: and if Calion takes the ring in order to destroy it to avenge his brother (and kill its corrupting power, and possible the sorcerer contained within it), he might go seek out a dragon in the north, and that could be his personal motivation
ArPharazonV: and yes, I'm giving spoilers to my Angmar-sequence, but the best parts I'm still keeping to myself ;-)
ArPharazonV: if the party has other reasons for heading in there, it might be an arc we could follow
karakedi25: we're seeking the staff in any case, and records
Eonwe Valar: Aye, the Elves of Mirkwood have a task there :}
karakedi25: Elrond may also direct us to go there in view of the news we bring
ArPharazonV: I'm a bit concerned with Calion's motivation though. He's a clever enough elf, would he really go seek out a dragon to melt a ring, thinking that what dragons remain might not be so pleasant/
ArPharazonV: ?
karakedi25: is there any chance that he might be tempted to keep the ring?
Eonwe Valar: Depends on how dire the mission was. Besides, it's not like he can swing by Frodo's rom and say "by the way, while you're in the Mount Doom area, drop this in for me too."
ArPharazonV: I doubt it. He's seen what it did to his brother. He would hate it from the start and probably keep it locked up safe.
Eonwe Valar: *Frodo's room
ArPharazonV: the mission would be partly out of revenge, partly out of a motivation to have the ring do to anyone else what it did to Calaron
ArPharazonV: *to prevent having the ring do
ArPharazonV: or whatever grammar fits here
Eonwe Valar: Sounds like your correction works to me.
ArPharazonV: my sentence structures are like mathematical formulas, they tend to get more and more complicated to the point where they could be replaced by a shorter version but I have no idea how
Eonwe Valar: :}
ArPharazonV: in any case
ArPharazonV: that's aaaaall in the far future
Eonwe Valar: Aye.
Eonwe Valar: In the near future, I'll revisit my plans for Auros in Rivendell as we draw closer to that point in our story.
ArPharazonV: let's get through the ambush first, and then I can hang back for a while as we pass through Rivendell, and then we've got Angmar to bother with
Eonwe Valar: *revisit with you all, as I've shared it once or twice before.
Eonwe Valar: Calion can't hang back too much. He and Auros have to still be at eachothers' throats :}
ArPharazonV: so we've got the uneasy feeling, the arrow, the attack by a number of Orcs and spiders, and at least Calion trying to lunge into the forest
ArPharazonV: Yes. I know. I'm not good at peaceful character interaction but I'll try to focus on that between Ambush and Angmar.
ArPharazonV: well, relatively peaceful, anyway
ArPharazonV: knowing Auros and Calion
Eonwe Valar: Restrained with minor outbursts :}
Eonwe Valar: At least that's how I'd describe the interaction so far.
ArPharazonV: Sometimes I think I'd be better at D&D. More action and npc-interaction, less interaction with each other, and combat rules through the roof.
ArPharazonV: But of course that's all still relative.
ArPharazonV: in any case, now I know how to start the ambush and I'll make work of it
ArPharazonV: but not tonight, since I need to get up in 6 hours
karakedi25: I think we're in for interesting times in the RP :-)
VardaValar1: I've done D&D and it can have a lot of character interaction or be hack & slash.
ArPharazonV: *makes a spot check for Gulhuine*
VardaValar1: We might need to lure a drake to use its fire on the ring, while going after another target.
VardaValar1: hehe
ArPharazonV: maybe we can make one swallow it
karakedi25: like pills for a pet: wrap it in meat
ArPharazonV: though I believe that in most canon dragonlore, the fire is only ignited as it's breathed out?
ArPharazonV: it's not like they've got a belly on fire
ArPharazonV: it's not a living, moving Mount Doom
VardaValar1: Hate to try getting it to swallow it then digging it out of the droppings.
karakedi25: maybe put it in bait that the dragon will flame?
karakedi25: *coughs*
ArPharazonV: *nod* we'll want to make sure it melts, and that's not through the stomach
ArPharazonV: and bait works
ArPharazonV: what did you have in mind? a small goblin? ;-)
Eonwe Valar: I would assume that if the Dwarf rings would've survived their consumption by dragons in any way, they would've been retrieved.
VardaValar1: Send it past on a frisbee!
ArPharazonV: twisting the ring around a stick, and play fetch...
VardaValar1: Have to look again and see if it could mean anything but consumed with dragonfire.
karakedi25: possibly a goblin or orc, something elves wouldn't feel too guilty about using that way
ArPharazonV: sacrifice a dwarf? *throws Frali to the dragon*
VardaValar1: Put it on a long string and drag it in front of the opening to its lair?
AriehnV: *severes the dragons neck from its place*
Eonwe Valar: Taunt the dragon with riddles and make sure the ring is where you're standing.
ArPharazonV: we tie the ring on a long string to Frali's boots, hang him in front of the cave, and pull him up slightly just as the dragon breathes?
AriehnV: (sorry folks iam half afk but reading and scrolling and throwing bits and bobs in)
AriehnV: roasted dwarf now eh? thanking ye .. dont think the dragon could stomach that
ArPharazonV: nahh, you'd be *just* above the blast, but it'd catch the ring!
VardaValar1: Just below maybe. : )
ArPharazonV: not if we pull him up!
ArPharazonV: anyway, jokes aside, I need to go
VardaValar1: A dummy deer!
ArPharazonV: I can see we'll have lots of fun with this in some future (10 years from now at our speed)
VardaValar1: Aye, let's call it for now.
ArPharazonV: but for now, I'm saving and sending
AriehnV: a trget dummy :-)
VardaValar1: About that, right.
Eonwe Valar: Hehe
VardaValar1: Frali can make it. ; )
Eonwe Valar: Yeah, we've had a solid hour and a half of Tolkien now :}
AriehnV: hehe namarie folks :-)
VardaValar1: If we count rp with it.
VardaValar1: Namarie, Arien!
Eonwe Valar: Rp is Tolkien to an extent :}
AriehnV: i ll post some time this week
VardaValar1: Aye, it is. : )
AriehnV: :-)
VardaValar1: Try to beat Phar to it!
Eonwe Valar: If I don't post before the ambush, I'll certainly have something once it begins.
ArPharazonV: gimme until Tuesday or so, I'll try to do it then, start the ambush
VardaValar1: Why o why did I agree to go *riding* with *elves*?
ArPharazonV (7:19:53 PM):    saved
VardaValar1 (7:20:05 PM):    We don't want too much ahead of the ambush other than some short stuff to show time.
VardaValar1 (7:20:09 PM):    Thanks Phar. : )
VardaValar1 (7:20:23 PM):    Mine is covered with timestamps and Eonwe's has a break.
VardaValar1 (7:20:46 PM):    Namarie, all. : )

Eonwe Valar (7:21:04 PM):    *bangs gavel if he didn't already do it* :}
VardaValar1 (7:21:13 PM):    *jumps*
ArPharazonV (7:21:15 PM):    namarie!
VardaValar1 (7:21:23 PM):    Varda has extemely good hearing. ;-)
Eonwe Valar (7:21:27 PM):    :}
Eonwe Valar (7:21:46 PM):    Good thing Manwë's not standing here then.. You'd hear even better! :}
VardaValar1 (7:21:51 PM):    *whew*
VardaValar1 (7:22:13 PM):    He's keeping his eyes on Middle-earth from the balcony yonder.
Eonwe Valar (7:22:20 PM):    :}
VardaValar1 (7:22:24 PM):    I'll go join him now.
ArPharazonV (7:22:26 PM):    sent!
VardaValar1 (7:22:43 PM):    You can drill the Vanyar in yet another battle formation.
Eonwe Valar (7:22:52 PM):    I imagine if I banged the gavel any harder, the sparks would fly off and create new constellations :}
ArPharazonV (7:22:59 PM):    as long as we're being in character, I'll go retreat further into my cave
Eonwe Valar (7:23:03 PM):    Aulë's hammers seem to have a tendency to do that :}
ArPharazonV (7:23:07 PM):    and thank you Valar for the internet-access I've got down here!
VardaValar1 (7:23:08 PM):    I suspect they are like warriors of Valhalla in some ways.
VardaValar1 (7:23:12 PM):    O my!
VardaValar1 (7:23:33 PM):    Even the pits get internet. :-)
ArPharazonV (7:23:39 PM):    They definitely do.
VardaValar1 (7:23:44 PM):    hehe
VardaValar1 (7:23:51 PM):    Try to sleep fast!
ArPharazonV (7:24:01 PM):    quick, or deep? :)
VardaValar1 (7:24:08 PM):    Both.
ArPharazonV (7:24:18 PM):    I'll be fast asleep ;)
Eonwe Valar (7:24:27 PM):    Sleep deep, and wake up exactly when you're supposed to :}
VardaValar1 (7:24:33 PM):    There you go.
karakedi25 (7:25:01 PM):    what I've read of the Vanyar didn't make them sound very warlike except by necessity (War of Wrath)
Eonwe Valar (7:25:02 PM):    I prefer it when I don't beat my alarm clock by an hour :}
VardaValar1 (7:25:16 PM):    They surely were artistic etc
ArPharazonV (7:25:21 PM):    Namarie all!
Eonwe Valar (7:25:27 PM):    Sleep well Phar :}
VardaValar1 (7:25:40 PM):    but they were used as warriors and will go into battle at the end of the world, along with Manwe.
Eonwe Valar (7:25:45 PM):    Good to see everyone here :}
Eonwe Valar (7:25:58 PM):    Good to see some old faces too :}
VardaValar1 (7:25:59 PM):    Aye, nice-sized group even now!
ArPharazonV (7:26:04 PM):    this is interesting stuff still ;) I'm sure you'll add it to the transcript
ArPharazonV (7:26:17 PM):    bbye!
VardaValar1 (7:26:18 PM):    Bye Phar, Eonwe, Flad, Grimbold, Gilraen, Indis, and Menel. : )
VardaValar1 (7:26:28 PM):    Namarie