Valar Guild

February 14, 2010 Sunday Meeting

5pm EST (GMT - 5)
AIM: Valar Guild Meetingplace

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Transcript work by: 
Ar-Pharazon (transcript without timestamps, Gilraen (transcript with timestamps), Eonwe (transcript), and Varda (webwork)

Attending: (10)
    AriehnV, ArPharazonV, Eomer-(V)/IWF519, Eonwe Valar (presiding), fladrifv, Gilraen-(V)/Iryenth, Indis-(V)/karakedi25, Menelvagor Valar, Olwe-(V)/FallenGlory, VardaValar1
    Fladrif-(V)/fladrifv tried to enter the room but AIM wouldn't let him in. He participated in a side window.
    Olwe-(V)/FallenGlory chatted in a side window, but was unable to join the meeting chat, so he participated in a side window. He's in college trying not to play any MMO's for now so that he can study, but would like to indulge his interest in Tolkien's Middle-earth, so he is interested in the Tolkien Site.
    Gwaihir-(Valar) is working during meetings.

Meeting begins
    Varda's Valentine's Day game: We each take a turn naming a couple of people from Middle-earth who would likely to send each other Valentines if they had had that custom. Any book is open for this fun.
    RP (guild's forum role-play game:
        Language (Sindarin Elvish) discussion as Menelvagor considers names for his horse in the forum role-play.
        RP posting.

You have just entered room "valarguildmeetingplace."
Eonwe Valar has entered the room.
Iryenth has entered the room.
Iryenth: Aiya Eo, Phara. Gilraen here. :-)
Eonwe Valar: Heya Gilraen.
Eonwe Valar: Been a while :}
Iryenth: indeed! time flies when you're busy, and all that
Eonwe Valar: :}
Eonwe Valar: You and Gwaihir doing well?
Iryenth: Gwai's at work right now, but I'm sure he's here in spirit
Iryenth: We're both fine. : )
Eonwe Valar: Good to hear :}
Iryenth: yourself?
Eonwe Valar: Pretty good. Snow's melting pretty good now :}
Iryenth: yaaay
Iryenth: always good to hear
Eonwe Valar: Got about a foot of it Thursday. Not typical snow behavior in Texas :}
VardaValar1 has entered the room.
Iryenth: indeed!
VardaValar1: Hail
Iryenth: I have a friend n Florida who is freaking out over the snow they've gotten
Iryenth: Aiya Varda
Iryenth: <-- Gilraen
VardaValar1: Thanks. Good to see you, snow lady. :-)
Eonwe Valar: Heya Varda :}
Iryenth: good to be seen, I have to say
VardaValar1: hehe
ArPharazonV: Aiya folks
VardaValar1: Aiya Phar :-)
ArPharazonV: was in another room printing out my new schedules for this period
Iryenth: hey Phara
ArPharazonV: starting real early tomorrow >.> so I'll have to leave in an hour or so
Eonwe Valar: Hopefully we'll be done wit hthe meeting in an hour :}
Eonwe Valar: Speaking of which, it's time to begin anyway L{
Eonwe Valar: ':}
VardaValar1: Gwaihir around?
Iryenth: fraid he's at work
VardaValar1: okies. You're here for both of you. : )
IWF519 has entered the room.
Iryenth: works for me :-)
VardaValar1: Aiya Eomer :-)
IWF519: Aiya Varda Eonwe Iryenth and ArPhazon!
Eonwe Valar: Ok, Ladies and Gents, let's begin.
Eonwe Valar: Whisper me if you have any news to add.

Eonwe Valar: Elen Sila Lumenn Omentielvo!
Eonwe Valar: Membership:
Eonwe Valar: Good to see you all :}
Eonwe Valar: Apparently Phar is beginning a new school period :}
ArPharazonV: 'orribly scheduled, gotta get up around 6 am 3 days every week
ArPharazonV: but I have most afternoons off so that's nice
Eonwe Valar: Congrats :}
Eonwe Valar: Gwaihir is at work, but we have Gilraen here :}
VardaValar1: Yay!
Eonwe Valar: Any other member news?
Eonwe Valar: And Happy Valentines Day :}
Iryenth: :-)
AriehnV has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Happy Valentine's Day. : )
VardaValar1: Aiya Arien!
ArPharazonV: Humbug!
AriehnV: Happy Valentines day all :-) and aiya
ArPharazonV: Aiya :-)
Iryenth: Happy Anti-Valentine's Day, Phara?
Iryenth: Aiya Arien
ArPharazonV: Eh, I don't really care, anyway. If other people want to celebrate, who am I to stand in their way?
AriehnV: Aiya there , welcome to our mad guild :-)
VardaValar1: You can give Valentines to you nieces and nephews, friends, etc. Nice all-around thing. : )
VardaValar1: *your
VardaValar1: I have a new computer.
ArPharazonV: oh, nice.. mine's falling apart
VardaValar1: It's wonderful for speed and all the improvements. : )
Eonwe Valar: Congrats :}
Iryenth: yay new computer
AriehnV: nice one , Varda , not so nice for Phara
VardaValar1: But a lot of things aren't loaded up yet, still doing that. [note: flash drive backups hadn't been backed up recently in certain areas. correcting.]
VardaValar1: So the website isn't updated until I locate some more info.
Iryenth: I've had mine for... four months? And I still haven't gotten everything back on.
VardaValar1: Maybe you didn't need them? : )
VardaValar1: Some of my backups were older than I thought, trying not to mess up the site.
ArPharazonV: well, it's allright, Fladrif points it all to the windows installation so may need to format C etc... most of my files will be safe, but it'd take a while for it all to get setup and I really need to find away to protect my settings, bookmarks and browser-tabs... and I have to get around to that still
ArPharazonV: but I haven't had blue screens for a while now, so we'll see
ArPharazonV: anyway, back to Varda's pc :-)
Eonwe Valar: Flash Drives are useful for small stuff, and even big stuff if you can afford the larger flash drives :} 
IWF519: people still get blue screens?
ArPharazonV: 'fraid so
Iryenth: it's like those boxes in the basement.... I may not need them if they're unused for so long, but I'm loathe to get rid of things Just In Case.
fladrifv has left the room.
VardaValar1: *tosses match*
Eonwe Valar: hehe
AriehnV: hehe sounds familiar Iryenth

Eonwe Valar: Ok, on to Web news:
ArPharazonV: Looks like Fladrif has problems getting in. I'll contact him on IM and we'll see what we can do.
Eonwe Valar: ok Phar.
fladrifv has left the room.
VardaValar1: Olwe says hi!
Eonwe Valar: Some background work on the Games Page that should produce a difference, however small, in the appearance of the news blocks: I increased the padding on the bottom of the text blocks so the text wouldn't run to the bottom of said block and become a bit obscurred.
VardaValar1: He says he's not in AIM though he seems to show there. Thinks it might be some Gmail chat thing going.
Eonwe Valar: Heya to Olwë :}
fladrifv has left the room.
Eonwe Valar: Do you have any other Web News, Varda?
fladrifv has left the room.
VardaValar1: Mainly,
VardaValar1: I hope to have my ftp set up soonish, and get things going again.
VardaValar1: My plan for today's News was
VardaValar1: to have a pic of Arwen and Aragorn on the Rivendell bridge and Happy Valentine's Day, so you'll have to imagine it for now. :-)
Eonwe Valar: :}
VardaValar1: That should be a fun mental image at least. : )
fladrifv has left the room.
VardaValar1: So if the News and site is a bit behind, you'll know what happened, and that it's all going to be just peachy later. : )
Eonwe Valar: :}
Eonwe Valar: Good luck :}
VardaValar1: Thanks! Just take some elbow grease and it'll be going again. :-)

Eonwe Valar: Gaming:
WoW, LotRO, Guildwars, Gruntz, Chess, Second Life

Eonwe Valar: WoW:
Eonwe Valar: "Love is in the Air" event is going until the end of the week. I'd like to scrounge together a group and go after the event bosses if possible.
VardaValar1: We have a group in there now, more people than we could jam in one party. They'd probably be glad to take you after the meeting. : )
Eonwe Valar: We've had some instance running during the week. Usual suspects :}
Eonwe Valar: Would be great, Varda :}
karakedi25 has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar: I haven't had a chance to pop into Uldaman.
karakedi25: Aiya!
ArPharazonV: It's full of Troggs anyway.
Eonwe Valar: hehe, I meant the server, and of course you knew that :}
ArPharazonV: *grin*
VardaValar1: I dropped into the Uldaman server briefly. The next page is 500 gold and we have about a third of it.
VardaValar1: Aiya Indis. :-)
VardaValar1: Fladrif is restarting his chat, trying to make it in here.

Eonwe Valar: LotRO:
Eonwe Valar: Varda, anything to report?
VardaValar1: Instance runs, crafting, chat. Fun. :-)
Eonwe Valar: :}
VardaValar1: Indis, would you like to tell anything?
karakedi25: Nothing much to add, though I have visited the public test server for the new volume.
IWF519: ooooh
VardaValar1: O cool!
karakedi25: A few really nice features such as notes on your friends list!!!!!
VardaValar1: We can really use that!
karakedi25: So you know where you met someone and who is who's alt.
fladrifv has left the room.
AriehnV: nice one :-)
karakedi25: Vol 3 book 1 will have us running around Eriador mustering the rangers for the Grey Company, and there will be lots of fights in public instances...
karakedi25: plus a new skirmish in the Rift, which I haven't tried yet
karakedi25: No new land areas so far, but plenty of blood and guts
IWF519: whens it coming out?
karakedi25: Sometime this month, they say
karakedi25: not sure though
VardaValar1: Probably when the bugs are worked out.
karakedi25: One of the rewards for the blood-and-guts quests will be a one-use map to get you to the next place you have to go. I think it's better to take a little longer to get there, and get the ixp rune alternative instead.
karakedi25: ixp = item xp for legendary weapons, for non-lotroites
VardaValar1: One-use, so aye, sounds like a better long-term reward. Might have to take a hunter Guide along. =)
karakedi25: would also be possible--Varda, guess who's elected ;-)
karakedi25: we could probably do it as kin groups
karakedi25: Eomer, do you have anything to add?
VardaValar1: me me me!
karakedi25: :-)
AriehnV: and me :-)
AriehnV: after Varda
IWF519: cant think of anything to add
VardaValar1: (Olwe says he picked up a new computer too.)
Eonwe Valar: Hehe.
VardaValar1: Eomer has been busily running instances and being awesome. : )
VardaValar1: That guy, the one who has nothing to add. ;-)
Eonwe Valar: hehe
IWF519: ;-)
IWF519: hungover and without glasses no less
VardaValar1: Indis has been one of the busiest people in the kinship. Reason she gets stuck with the LotRO report. :-)
VardaValar1: Poor Eomer.
IWF519: those Dwarves really throw a party
karakedi25: heh
VardaValar1: heheeh
karakedi25: *gracefully sips her elven Dorwinion*
AriehnV: both Indis and Eomer have been running along with me in a group quest somewhere on Wednesday but .. i fear that enchanted river had an effect on my ability to remember where :-(
AriehnV: oooh wait drakes
AriehnV: it was drakes :-D
AriehnV: in Angmar outskirts
AriehnV: thats me :-)
karakedi25: right, I remember
karakedi25: we blasted them nicely
Eonwe Valar: Was that your LotRO report, Arien?
AriehnV: it was yes
AriehnV: i need an instance run in Evendim
karakedi25: which one?
AriehnV: protect ranger defenders
IWF519: not that one!!!!
karakedi25: Thief-taker's bane
AriehnV: think thats the one aye
karakedi25: that's an easy one for us to do with you
karakedi25: but not the tomb of elendil. I hate that one
AriehnV: dont have that yet
VardaValar1: Tomb of Elendil can be fun with the right group. I ran it with Irmo's vanguard group one time and it was crazy fast with a lot of joking around.
karakedi25: the turtle at the end with all its little turtle spawn is hateful
karakedi25: killing brigands is fun
AriehnV: arent all bosses with million adds like that :-)
AriehnV: just need some nasty aoers
IWF519: I can bring my champ
karakedi25: champs would be good
Eonwe Valar: OK, let's carry on.
Menelvagor Valar has entered the room.
Menelvagor Valar: Aiya
AriehnV: i aint there yet but maybe its a foloow up easy one first
karakedi25: Aiya Menel!
Eonwe Valar: Heya Menel.
AriehnV: aiya Menel :-)
karakedi25: it's at the end of the relics chain, and it's not easy
ArPharazonV: Aiya
Eonwe Valar: Arien, you had some WoW news to report?
VardaValar1: Aiya Menel :-)
AriehnV: not really , just non wow/lotro
Eonwe Valar: Oh, pardon, missed the "non" in that whisper :}
Menelvagor Valar: I have some personal news I wish to share when there is some time, so I guess after gaming will do.
Eonwe Valar: Go ahead Arien.
AriehnV: mhh

AriehnV: just wanted to say that i am playing Guild wars now as non paying MM or pg and have posted my characters in each campaign on the website in the guild wars forum
AriehnV: its quite gripping as well :-)
AriehnV: i like that they tell you how long you are playing
ArPharazonV: add Caliona Darkbloom to your friendslist, and maybe we'll be online together at some point :-)
AriehnV: will do :-)
AriehnV: that was all i wanted to tell Eonwe
ArPharazonV: she's Prophecies only so far (until I finally spend the money on the other campaigns) but I'm sure we can still chat
AriehnV: its ok i ve got the monk in Prophecies and she is quite fun
Eonwe Valar: OK :}
Eonwe Valar: Anyone else play anything that's not WoW or LotRO?

ArPharazonV: Gruntz, a few missions.
ArPharazonV: Candy-styled world now, in the clouds. It looks interesting.
ArPharazonV: Quite.. "cute".
Eonwe Valar: hehe
Eonwe Valar: Any other gaming news?
VardaValar1: Fladrif is in a side-window, hasn't been able to enter, but
VardaValar1: maybe we can relay
Eonwe Valar: If he had anything he wanted to add.

VardaValar1: chess: the next round is coming up and I need all the luck I can get for this
VardaValar1: (Fladrif relay)

VardaValar1: sl: still working on scripting different things to move :-)
VardaValar1: (SL is Second Life)
VardaValar1: He made his own door renting system in SL. End report.
Eonwe Valar: Thanks for passing that along.
VardaValar1: He's still testing those scripts though.
VardaValar1: My pleasure.
Eonwe Valar: Looks like that's it for gaming, so Menel, go ahead.
Menelvagor Valar: Okies, thanks.
Menelvagor Valar: Before I start, I'd like you to know that this news is for the Valar Guild only, so I'd like to have it stricken from the general transcript.
ArPharazonV: that's up to Varda, I don't cut my transcripts ;-)

Menelvagor Valar:

ArPharazonV: I have to go, I'm afraid. Time to go to sleep.
ArPharazonV: I'll save and send the transcript.
Eonwe Valar: Sleep well Phar.
VardaValar1: Thanks and good night!
ArPharazonV (5:20:02 PM):    saved

Menelvagor Valar (5:20:03 PM):

VardaValar1 (5:21:41 PM):    Also, I am having some trouble saving this transcript, so I'll need help from someone emailing the log to me.
Eonwe Valar (5:21:52 PM):    I'll send you a copy.
Menelvagor Valar (5:21:57 PM):    *points to pharzy*
VardaValar1 (5:22:04 PM):    Thanks. And I do intend to cut Menel's section.
VardaValar1 (5:22:08 PM):    Phar is leaving.
VardaValar1 (5:22:13 PM):    We still have Tolkien to go. : )
ArPharazonV (5:22:13 PM):    I just saved, Menel :) This part isn't on it, and neither will be Tolkien-section.
Menelvagor Valar (5:22:40 PM):    cut
VardaValar1 (5:22:43 PM):    I try to save and it tells me to update.
ArPharazonV (5:23:07 PM):    I'm assuming it'll be Eonwe ending gaming, me saying I have to go and saving transcript and leaving, and then further into Tolkien.
Menelvagor Valar (5:23:10 PM):    awww.... darn... to that both.
Eonwe Valar (5:23:26 PM):    Whenever there's something "new" it won't let you save. Gotta wait until the channel is still before you can save.
VardaValar1 (5:23:43 PM):    Aye.
ArPharazonV (5:23:53 PM):    Oh, I've always done that out of habit anyway.
VardaValar1 (5:24:16 PM):    This is a recently installed thing in need of an update. Nutty huh? : )
Eonwe Valar (5:24:23 PM):    I used to save on the fly back in earlier versions of AIM where I could save at any time.
Eonwe Valar (5:24:28 PM):    Hehe, aye Varda :}
Iryenth (5:24:41 PM):    I can send a transcript at the end if you need, Varda
Eonwe Valar (5:24:45 PM):    Are we ready for Tolkien?
VardaValar1 (5:24:54 PM):    That would be lovely, Gilraen. : )
Menelvagor Valar (5:25:04 PM):    Aye, I've said my thing, no need to dwell on it :-)
Menelvagor Valar (5:25:16 PM):    Gilraen!?!?
Menelvagor Valar (5:25:24 PM):    Wow! haven't seen you in ages :-)
Eonwe Valar (5:25:27 PM):    Yes, Gilraen :}
Iryenth (5:25:32 PM):    the one and only ;-)
Menelvagor Valar (5:25:38 PM):    ;-)
Iryenth (5:25:45 PM):    unless y'all conjured up an impostor in my absence
ArPharazonV (5:26:02 PM):    :) I think Arien was confused too, she welcomed you into the guild earlier in the meeting ;)
Menelvagor Valar (5:26:07 PM):    Hmmm... There was one... but can't remember where we stuffed her.
Iryenth (5:26:21 PM):    uminportant details, Menel
Menelvagor Valar (5:26:28 PM):    Quite so :-)
Iryenth (5:26:37 PM):    unimportant, also.  silly typos
ArPharazonV (5:26:38 PM):    My transcript is sent.
Eonwe Valar (5:26:45 PM):    hehe
Iryenth (5:27:03 PM):    this version of AIM does not like me linking my guild name to my usual AIM screenname
VardaValar1 (5:27:04 PM):    It's helpful to have a screen name that is like the guild name, to prevent these things. Only other way is to show up a whole lot!
Eonwe Valar (5:27:28 PM):    :}
VardaValar1 (5:27:38 PM):    Suppose Pidgin or another group IM program would help with that?
Eonwe Valar (5:27:49 PM):    OK, Let's begin Tolkien and taunt Phar with its savour as he walks out the door... :}
ArPharazonV (5:28:24 PM):    Oh, don't worry. I'll read the transcript when it's up. Just don't forget to save :)
VardaValar1 (5:28:27 PM):    Rapscallion.
ArPharazonV (5:28:41 PM):    Namarie all!
karakedi25 (5:28:50 PM):    Namarie Phar

Eonwe Valar (5:30:19 PM):    Tolkien:
Eonwe Valar (5:30:32 PM):    Varda had a good topic for today, so you all lucked out :}
VardaValar1 (5:30:38 PM):    :-)
Eonwe Valar (5:30:41 PM):    Go ahead Varda :}
VardaValar1 (5:31:37 PM):    We each take a turn naming a couple of people from Middle-earth who would likely to send each other Valentines if they had had that custom. Any book is open for this fun. : )
VardaValar1 (5:31:52 PM):    *be likely
karakedi25 (5:32:08 PM):    Beren and Luthien of course :)(
karakedi25 (5:32:18 PM):    Beren and Luthien to Huan
VardaValar1 (5:32:25 PM):    We would take our turns in alphabetical order as usual and just one pair.
karakedi25 (5:32:31 PM):    ok, sorry
VardaValar1 (5:32:41 PM):    So Arien would start. Indis has a good pair already. : )
VardaValar1 (5:32:49 PM):    two even.  :-)
AriehnV (5:34:01 PM):    Aragorn and Arwen#
VardaValar1 (5:34:06 PM):    Eonwe's turn.
Eonwe Valar (5:35:29 PM):    I could say both TIlion and Fionwë would send Valentine's to Arien, but I don't recall whether Arien ever returned either's love. I'm going to go instead with... Sam and Rose.
VardaValar1 (5:35:50 PM):    Good choices by everyone. : )
VardaValar1 (5:35:53 PM):    Gilraen's turn.
IWF519 (5:36:20 PM):    :(
Iryenth (5:36:35 PM):    To stray from the predictable... Elrond and Celebrian
VardaValar1 (5:36:46 PM):    (Going by the alphabetical window. We could go by our guild names instead.)
VardaValar1 (5:37:02 PM):    Eomer's turn. Nice one, Gilraen. :-)
Menelvagor Valar (5:37:08 PM):    oh oh oh...
Menelvagor Valar (5:37:12 PM):    what we doing? :-)
VardaValar1 (5:37:14 PM):    Eomer's turn.
VardaValar1 (5:37:21 PM):    Scroll up. : )
IWF519 (5:37:21 PM):    Faramir and Eowyn
VardaValar1 (5:37:24 PM):    Nice.
Menelvagor Valar (5:37:36 PM):    sorry, was going through sindarin dictionary to find a name for me horse (fainan's :-))
VardaValar1 (5:37:39 PM):    Indis, you already went, but if you'd like to go again?
Menelvagor Valar (5:37:43 PM):    bah, I am lazy.
karakedi25 (5:38:02 PM):    Naturally Finwe and Indis (and Finwe and Miriel, no doubt)
VardaValar1 (5:38:30 PM):    Nice
VardaValar1 (5:38:35 PM):    Menelvagor's turn.
Menelvagor Valar (5:39:09 PM):    thanks Varda and Gilraen, but I did scroll up, I may say that I am lazy, but that just means I am not lazy :-)
Menelvagor Valar (5:39:11 PM):    in other words, I was joking :-)
VardaValar1 (5:39:17 PM):    Your turn, Menel. : )
Menelvagor Valar (5:39:23 PM):    Aye...
Iryenth (5:39:27 PM):    just get on with it ;-)
Menelvagor Valar (5:39:30 PM):    well, it's a bit of a hard one :-)
VardaValar1 (5:39:38 PM):    *poke*
Menelvagor Valar (5:39:44 PM):    but I guess it would be Turgon and Luthien Tinuviel.
VardaValar1 (5:40:00 PM):    Turgon?
Eonwe Valar (5:40:06 PM):    Gonna have to share some quotes for that one.
Menelvagor Valar (5:40:17 PM):    ooh.
Menelvagor Valar (5:40:45 PM):    Sorry, I got the idea wrong :-)
AriehnV (5:41:16 PM):    change the guy and u get it right :-)
Menelvagor Valar (5:41:22 PM):    already named :-)
Menelvagor Valar (5:41:27 PM):    So I have to change the gal.
Menelvagor Valar (5:41:34 PM):    but I'll do that after I check my bolt.
Menelvagor Valar (5:41:51 PM):    right now I'll say Tuor and Idril.
VardaValar1 (5:42:07 PM):    We may let you get away with that then. : )
VardaValar1 (5:42:11 PM):    my turn
VardaValar1 (5:42:17 PM):    Fangorn and Fimbrethil.
VardaValar1 (5:42:31 PM):    Would you folks like another go at it? : )
karakedi25 (5:42:34 PM):    nice one
karakedi25 (5:42:44 PM):    I have another all ready
VardaValar1 (5:42:56 PM):    Arien's turn if we're going again.
Eonwe Valar (5:42:58 PM):    I'll only pick a more obscur couple :}
VardaValar1 (5:43:31 PM):    That wouldn't be hard, Eonwe. ;-)
AriehnV (5:43:36 PM):    *hmm scratches head"
VardaValar1 (5:43:51 PM):    Ok to use your books, folks.
AriehnV (5:43:57 PM):    Merry and his lass?
VardaValar1 (5:44:11 PM):    Sorry, have to name names. Feel free to use a book!
Menelvagor Valar (5:44:11 PM):    I have one other than the one I am searching as well :-)
Menelvagor Valar (5:44:21 PM):    make that two!
AriehnV (5:45:14 PM):    Estella Bolger was the lady Merry wed
AriehnV (5:45:31 PM):    sister of Fatty Bolgar
VardaValar1 (5:45:34 PM):    Thanks, Arien. : )
VardaValar1 (5:45:49 PM):    Eonwe's turn for the obscure couple.
Eonwe Valar (5:46:21 PM):    Fastred and Elanor :}
karakedi25 (5:46:30 PM):    good one
VardaValar1 (5:46:40 PM):    Ok, I'll grant obscurity there. Well done!
VardaValar1 (5:46:45 PM):    Gilraen's turn.
Iryenth (5:46:54 PM):    Nellas to Turin
VardaValar1 (5:47:13 PM):    This is a great Valentine's. : )
VardaValar1 (5:47:16 PM):    Eomer's turn.
Menelvagor Valar (5:48:06 PM):    Eomer?
VardaValar1 (5:48:26 PM):    Indis, is Eomer deep in an instance?
karakedi25 (5:48:39 PM):    not that I know of. Let me check
AriehnV (5:48:56 PM):    i ve got one if they havent been named yet
karakedi25 (5:49:01 PM):    not as far as I can tell. He's at 21st Hall
AriehnV (5:49:06 PM):    but i let indis check fist
VardaValar1 (5:49:26 PM):    Would Eomer like to bow out for now? Just let us know if he says.
karakedi25 (5:49:31 PM):    I'll ask
karakedi25 (5:50:38 PM):    He's probably afk. He also participates in a chat when he's playing.
karakedi25 (5:50:44 PM):    No response
VardaValar1 (5:50:57 PM):    Indis'  turn. : )
karakedi25 (5:51:19 PM):    OK, Maeglin to Idril but not vice versa
VardaValar1 (5:51:31 PM):    That works. : )
VardaValar1 (5:51:37 PM):    Menel, your turn.
Menelvagor Valar (5:51:52 PM):    With a bit of imagination, this one may be construed as being mutual.
Menelvagor Valar (5:52:25 PM):    Gollum + The One Ring / Smeagol + himself.
VardaValar1 (5:53:01 PM):    I suspect the One Ring might have trouble signing its name to a valentine.
Menelvagor Valar (5:53:18 PM):    doesn't need to.
Menelvagor Valar (5:53:30 PM):    can imprint thoughts straight onto its wearer.
karakedi25 (5:53:32 PM):    And I doubt the One Ring much cared for Gollum
IWF519 (5:53:37 PM):    BACK
VardaValar1 (5:53:39 PM):    I agree with Indis.
Menelvagor Valar (5:53:45 PM):    with a bit of imagination I said ^^
IWF519 (5:53:46 PM):    sry about that
VardaValar1 (5:53:54 PM):    Welcome back. We'll let you go after Menel, Eomer. : )
Eonwe Valar (5:53:58 PM):    Hehe, he both loved and hated himself and the Ring, so I can imagine the conversation would be something like "Do we sends us Valentines, Precious?" "No Precious!" "But.." "Ok, yes Precious, we sends us Valentines. We loves Precious." :}
Menelvagor Valar (5:54:02 PM):    but it's meant as being humorous, not up for debate :-)
Menelvagor Valar (5:54:14 PM):    Exactly Eonwe!
Menelvagor Valar (5:54:19 PM):    you get the point :-D
VardaValar1 (5:54:54 PM):    If you vote to let Menel get away with this, type Aye
AriehnV (5:55:02 PM):    Aye :-)
Iryenth (5:55:06 PM):    aye
Iryenth (5:55:12 PM):    made me laugh
IWF519 (5:55:15 PM):    aye
Menelvagor Valar (5:55:21 PM):    I have several other ones anyways :-)
Menelvagor Valar (5:55:26 PM):    but thanks :-)
VardaValar1 (5:55:33 PM):    hehe
Eonwe Valar (5:55:36 PM):    Hmm, Nay. Funny, but give us a real one :}
AriehnV (5:55:37 PM):    loved that grin :-)
VardaValar1 (5:55:50 PM):    Aye, how about a real one now, Menel?  : )
Menelvagor Valar (5:56:15 PM):    Turin - Lalaith.
VardaValar1 (5:56:24 PM):    That's sweet.
Menelvagor Valar (5:56:34 PM):    or whatever the name was she had at that particular time.
Menelvagor Valar (5:56:39 PM):    wasn't lalaith I think.
VardaValar1 (5:56:42 PM):    Lalaith is his sister.
Menelvagor Valar (5:56:46 PM):    I know.
Eonwe Valar (5:56:49 PM):    I think Lalaith was his younger sister.
Menelvagor Valar (5:56:51 PM):    but they were married :-)
VardaValar1 (5:56:58 PM):    No, they weren't.
Menelvagor Valar (5:57:05 PM):    almost then.
AriehnV (5:57:05 PM):    aye u mean Nienor i think#
VardaValar1 (5:57:05 PM):    Lalaith died very young.
Eonwe Valar (5:57:08 PM):    The one who died when they were both young, before Nienor was born.
Menelvagor Valar (5:57:14 PM):    Nienor, my apologies.
VardaValar1 (5:57:21 PM):    Nienor works. :-)
VardaValar1 (5:57:26 PM):    Eomer, your turn.
AriehnV (5:58:22 PM):    Neniel was the name Nienor bore at the time of the wedding , Menel
AriehnV (5:58:28 PM):    if i remember right
IWF519 (5:58:31 PM):    Galadriel and Celeborn.....with a secret Valentine to Galadriel from Gimli :P
Iryenth (5:58:46 PM):    hahaha
AriehnV (5:58:48 PM):    "girl of tears"
karakedi25 (5:59:00 PM):    Niniel, I believe
AriehnV (5:59:03 PM):    hehe aye Indis thats it
Menelvagor Valar (5:59:03 PM):    Niniel is correct.
VardaValar1 (5:59:04 PM):    Niniel is correct.
Eonwe Valar (5:59:09 PM):    Turin gave her that name.
VardaValar1 (5:59:14 PM):    Aye
AriehnV (5:59:27 PM):    since he didnt know her true identity
Menelvagor Valar (5:59:37 PM):    Nienor Niniel was the name I had in my head, just got too busy searching BoLT, Sil and UT for more pairs ^^
AriehnV (5:59:57 PM):    (Frali to  Fainan ;-)
VardaValar1 (5:59:59 PM):    It worked, since you identified the person.
VardaValar1 (6:00:01 PM):    lol
VardaValar1 (6:00:10 PM):    Didn't see that coming.
VardaValar1 (6:00:16 PM):    But it's Eomer's turn if he's back.
AriehnV (6:00:31 PM):    sorry me being sily :-)
VardaValar1 (6:00:48 PM):    Pardon, he did indeed do one! Good job
IWF519 (6:00:59 PM):    :D
VardaValar1 (6:01:08 PM):    Cute, adding the extra valentine.
VardaValar1 (6:01:15 PM):    My turn
VardaValar1 (6:01:20 PM):    Eomer and Lothiriel
karakedi25 (6:01:30 PM):    :)
VardaValar1 (6:01:53 PM):    If you'd like to run again? Arien's turn. Should be from the actual books.
VardaValar1 (6:02:11 PM):    If anyone needs to pull out, you have but to let us know. : )
Eonwe Valar (6:02:22 PM):    One more round sounds good to me.
Iryenth (6:02:33 PM):    sure
VardaValar1 (6:02:38 PM):    Ok, one more time! Whee
Eonwe Valar (6:02:39 PM):    After that we can quit while we're ahead and let everyone go do other things :}
VardaValar1 (6:02:45 PM):    Go ahead, Arien.
karakedi25 (6:03:28 PM):    Don't forget the RP
Eonwe Valar (6:03:46 PM):    We can discuss that in Aftermeeting if anyone would like to.
AriehnV (6:03:58 PM):    Vaire - Mandos
VardaValar1 (6:04:28 PM):    Very good.
VardaValar1 (6:04:32 PM):    Eonwe's turn
Eonwe Valar (6:05:09 PM):    Amusingly enough, I was going to go with a Vala pair too, since my last one was real obscur, I thought I'd go quite obvious: Manwë and Varda :}
VardaValar1 (6:05:32 PM):    hehe
VardaValar1 (6:05:44 PM):    Gilraen's turn.
IWF519 (6:06:28 PM):    im gonna bow out.
Iryenth (6:06:29 PM):    Varda took the pair I had in mind!  So I will go with Tom Bombadil and Goldberry
IWF519 (6:06:32 PM):    take care all
Iryenth (6:06:36 PM):    Namarie
VardaValar1 (6:06:37 PM):    Namarie, Eomer!
VardaValar1 (6:06:41 PM):    Nice
karakedi25 (6:06:43 PM):    See you Eomer :)
AriehnV (6:06:45 PM):    Namarie Eomer :-)
IWF519 (6:06:46 PM):    Namarie
VardaValar1 (6:06:56 PM):    Indis, your turn. : )
karakedi25 (6:07:03 PM):    Turin and Finduilas
karakedi25 (6:07:40 PM):    (daughter of Orodreth)
Menelvagor Valar (6:07:51 PM):    Aye, correct. :-)
Menelvagor Valar (6:07:55 PM):    was one of the ones I had :-)
VardaValar1 (6:08:06 PM):    It would be one-way though
Menelvagor Valar (6:08:13 PM):    not entirely.
karakedi25 (6:08:14 PM):    not entirely
VardaValar1 (6:08:23 PM):    okies : )
AriehnV (6:08:24 PM):    hehe snap indis grin
Menelvagor Valar (6:08:27 PM):    Turin did love Finduilas, he just didn't find out until too late.
karakedi25 (6:08:32 PM):    He started off indifferent to her, but ended up loving her
VardaValar1 (6:08:34 PM):    Aye
VardaValar1 (6:08:43 PM):    Menel's turn
Menelvagor Valar (6:08:58 PM):    Ok, first I have one that's unreciprocated.
Menelvagor Valar (6:09:01 PM):    and then one that is :-)
Menelvagor Valar (6:09:06 PM):    Nellas - Turin.
karakedi25 (6:09:18 PM):    didn't someone already mention that one?
Eonwe Valar (6:09:29 PM):    I was thinking the same thing.
Iryenth (6:09:30 PM):    yep
AriehnV (6:09:31 PM):    nope
Iryenth (6:09:34 PM):    I did
Menelvagor Valar (6:09:52 PM):    Yep, you did :-)
Menelvagor Valar (6:09:56 PM):    I am sorry :-)
Iryenth (6:10:01 PM):    :-)
Menelvagor Valar (6:10:02 PM):    just scrolled up :-)
VardaValar1 (6:10:10 PM):    A lot of names to track. : )
Iryenth (6:10:13 PM):    Varda nabbed mine, so it's going around ;-)
Menelvagor Valar (6:10:14 PM):    Rían and Huor :-)
VardaValar1 (6:10:30 PM):    :-)
VardaValar1 (6:10:44 PM):    Turgon and Elenwe mentioned yet?
karakedi25 (6:10:50 PM):    not yet
VardaValar1 (6:10:56 PM):    Now they are :-)
Eonwe Valar (6:11:05 PM):    :}
Menelvagor Valar (6:11:05 PM):    That was one of the others I had :-)
VardaValar1 (6:11:06 PM):    Ok, the rounds are done.
karakedi25 (6:11:18 PM):    Never forget Feanor and Nerdanel :)
VardaValar1 (6:11:19 PM):    If we want to just say a few for fun, feel free. : )
Menelvagor Valar (6:11:19 PM):    Hurin Morwen is another one :-)
Iryenth (6:11:28 PM):    Melian and Thingol
VardaValar1 (6:11:30 PM):    Gilraen and Arathorn. : )
Iryenth (6:11:35 PM):    Varda and Fangorn :-P
Eonwe Valar (6:11:36 PM):    And with that... *raises gavel high....*
VardaValar1 (6:11:43 PM):    Otho and Lobelia ;-)
Eonwe Valar (6:11:43 PM):    *bunts*
Menelvagor Valar (6:11:48 PM):    And Nargol and whoever he took as wife after he took over Hithlum after the Nirnaed.
Eonwe Valar (6:12:01 PM):    Aftermeeting :}
Menelvagor Valar (6:12:05 PM):    though of course, me might not have cared for valentine at all :-)
karakedi25 (6:12:10 PM):    Elwing and Earendil
AriehnV (6:12:10 PM):    Earendil and .. forgot her name Elen something?
Eonwe Valar (6:12:18 PM):    Earendil and Elwing.
Eonwe Valar (6:12:27 PM):    As Indis said :}
AriehnV (6:12:28 PM):    somewith E anyway hehe
VardaValar1 (6:12:35 PM):    This is meant to be a Valentine's Day thing, cheery. But the others are also interesting. : )
AriehnV (6:12:45 PM):    nice :-) ok aftermeeting
Eonwe Valar (6:12:53 PM):    Elros and whomever married him :}
Menelvagor Valar (6:13:00 PM):    Elwing, daughter of Tuor and Idril, Earendil, son of a son of Beren and Luthien I believe.
VardaValar1 (6:13:11 PM):    Do we want to look at the RP. We lost Phar.
karakedi25 (6:13:15 PM):    yes, son of Dior
Eonwe Valar (6:13:19 PM):    Dior and Nimloth
karakedi25 (6:13:25 PM):    Elwing was son of Dior
Menelvagor Valar (6:13:25 PM):    Finarfin - Eärwen mentioned?
VardaValar1 (6:13:27 PM):    Dior the Fair :-)
karakedi25 (6:13:31 PM):    not yet
AriehnV (6:13:42 PM):    ate
karakedi25 (6:13:50 PM):    Earendil son of Idril and Tuor
Menelvagor Valar (6:14:15 PM):    Emeldir - Barahir!
VardaValar1 (6:14:15 PM):    Gwindor to Finduilas
karakedi25 (6:14:18 PM):    and for a time vice versa
Eonwe Valar (6:14:27 PM):    Thingol and Melian :}
AriehnV (6:14:30 PM):    Vána to Orome :-)
AriehnV (6:14:39 PM):    and back i guess
karakedi25 (6:14:40 PM):    Yavanna and Aule, of course
Menelvagor Valar (6:14:45 PM):    Eöl - Aredhel mentioned?
karakedi25 (6:14:58 PM):    that was probably one-way mostly
Menelvagor Valar (6:15:12 PM):    Oh!
Menelvagor Valar (6:15:21 PM):    and the one I thought of almost at once!
Menelvagor Valar (6:15:28 PM):    Samwise Gamgee and Rosie Cotton!
karakedi25 (6:15:30 PM):    I never got the idea that she loved him
VardaValar1 (6:15:31 PM):    Pippin and Diamond
VardaValar1 (6:15:42 PM):    Sam and Rosie were mentioned by Eonwe already. : )
Eonwe Valar (6:15:47 PM):    Aredhel did marry him, and the Sil says she wasn't wholly unwilling.
Menelvagor Valar (6:15:49 PM):    darn :-D
Menelvagor Valar (6:15:56 PM):    aye.
karakedi25 (6:16:15 PM):    Being not wholly unwilling does not come to love to my mind
Menelvagor Valar (6:16:18 PM):    Erendis and Aldarion :-D
VardaValar1 (6:16:46 PM):    Daeron to Luthien.
AriehnV (6:16:50 PM):    Me and my bed :-)?
VardaValar1 (6:16:56 PM):    Aye, Arien!
AriehnV (6:17:19 PM):    hehe i added a small post of Frali to the rp
Menelvagor Valar (6:17:25 PM):    nah, me and my valentine!
AriehnV (6:17:42 PM):    he sits at the fire and gobs food and is a bit mischievous
karakedi25 (6:17:43 PM):    Gandalf and Shadowfax :)
VardaValar1 (6:17:45 PM):    o cool! Going to look at it.
Eonwe Valar (6:17:47 PM):    Well she seemed to like spending time with him enough to go walking far and wide with him.
VardaValar1 (6:18:00 PM):    O, Fainan gave Frali that bowl, not one of the other hunters.
AriehnV (6:18:10 PM):    Namarie for now :-) ok will change that
VardaValar1 (6:18:19 PM):    When you're awake sometime. ;-)
VardaValar1 (6:18:20 PM):    Namarie!
Menelvagor Valar (6:18:29 PM):    oh oh oh oh... another one, though not quite sure about the veracity... and might have been named earlier too... Osse and Uinen.
VardaValar1 (6:18:59 PM):    Not named yet. : )
Menelvagor Valar (6:19:10 PM):    and it's correct too? :-)
Menelvagor Valar (6:19:24 PM):    Ooooh... I just figured out another funny one :-)
Menelvagor Valar (6:19:35 PM):    Morgoth and Arda domination.
Eonwe Valar (6:19:40 PM):    Remember to read the RP :}
Menelvagor Valar (6:19:42 PM):    one-way of course &&
Menelvagor Valar (6:19:44 PM):    ^^
Menelvagor Valar (6:19:52 PM):    oh yes...
Eonwe Valar (6:19:55 PM):    (Just thought I'd throw that in for all reading the transcript :})
VardaValar1 (6:19:58 PM):    Aye, Uinen and Osse were married.
Menelvagor Valar (6:20:05 PM):    anyone here any good with sindarin inflections?
karakedi25 (6:20:08 PM):    I read it, nice description, Arien.
Menelvagor Valar (6:20:21 PM):    Sauron - Deception ^^
karakedi25 (6:20:29 PM):    depends...I might be able to take a guess, Menel
Eonwe Valar (6:20:32 PM):    Beruthiel and her cats? :}
Menelvagor Valar (6:20:37 PM):    until Deception got dumped for Pure Raw Power.
karakedi25 (6:20:42 PM):    I won't say I'm 'any good,' though
AriehnV (6:20:50 PM):    oki changed
karakedi25 (6:20:55 PM):    I was thinking of Beruthiel and her cats
AriehnV (6:21:00 PM):    Namarie :-)
karakedi25 (6:21:07 PM):    Namarie, Arien

karakedi25 (6:21:24 PM):    What did you want to combine?
karakedi25 (6:21:57 PM):    Have we decided where we want to take the RP after the rest stop?
Menelvagor Valar (6:22:05 PM):    oh, not about combining.
karakedi25 (6:22:13 PM):    what's the question, then?
Menelvagor Valar (6:22:18 PM):    begin ◈ *heria- N
VardaValar1 (6:22:24 PM):    Soon to be an ambush by the brother.
karakedi25 (6:22:41 PM):    The asterisk in front means it's a hypothetical form
Menelvagor Valar (6:22:42 PM):    I want the word Beginner :-)
karakedi25 (6:23:26 PM):    bringing up my Sindarin dictionary
Menelvagor Valar (6:23:30 PM):    And I really don't want to start calling that horse "Labadal" *wink(
Menelvagor Valar (6:23:35 PM):    *wink*
Menelvagor Valar (6:24:21 PM):    this is from Hiswëlókë's, which, as I understand, is somewhat of an instution in this area.
karakedi25 (6:24:34 PM):    You could try Heriadon (or if female Heriadil)
VardaValar1 (6:24:56 PM):    Just read Arien's post. Cute. : )
karakedi25 (6:25:09 PM):    but that would probably mean someone who begins something, rather than a newbie
Menelvagor Valar (6:25:29 PM):    which is? :-)

VardaValar1 (6:25:31 PM):    WoW gang in Lothar taking a supper break, then back. I mentioned Eonwe's interest in the Valentine boss event.

Menelvagor Valar (6:25:42 PM):    well, the horse is not a newbie.
Menelvagor Valar (6:25:53 PM):    the idea is to say it's used to newbies.
Menelvagor Valar (6:26:11 PM):    or that it's gentle, or calm.
karakedi25 (6:26:19 PM):    then you might want something like 'gentle'
Menelvagor Valar (6:26:24 PM):    but neither of those last two are in the list.
VardaValar1 (6:26:25 PM):    Gentle would be a good name, aye.
Eonwe Valar (6:26:39 PM):    Um,...
Menelvagor Valar (6:26:42 PM):    otherwise I would have had the name hours ago :-D
Menelvagor Valar (6:27:03 PM):    goes from generous to germ.
Eonwe Valar (6:27:10 PM):    Nevermind, someone moved the current thread to the top, and it threw me off.
Menelvagor Valar (6:27:23 PM):    yeah!
Menelvagor Valar (6:27:29 PM):    first thing I noticed too! :-D
karakedi25 (6:27:53 PM):    How about Sidh (with a circumflex on the i), which means 'peace'
Menelvagor Valar (6:27:55 PM):    I think it's something to do with last posted in the thread it moves to the top.
Eonwe Valar (6:28:25 PM):    No, it's been staying in place this whole time.
Menelvagor Valar (6:28:30 PM):    Too pacific.... whatever that word from pacified is.
karakedi25 (6:28:48 PM):    pacify is derived from pax, which is peace
Menelvagor Valar (6:28:49 PM):    what I said Eonwe.
Eonwe Valar (6:28:49 PM):    Unless it hadn't been stickied yet and someone just did.
Menelvagor Valar (6:29:05 PM):    which is a possibility :-)
karakedi25 (6:29:19 PM):    Peace is probably a loan from French or late Latin
VardaValar1 (6:29:44 PM):    I'm thinking something like Maethor, trying to look it up.
Menelvagor Valar (6:29:52 PM):    latin most likely, pace (italian), pacem (latin).
karakedi25 (6:30:18 PM):    yes, pac- is a derivative form of pax, which is the nominative
VardaValar1 (6:30:39 PM):    Maethor is warrior, doesn't work.
Menelvagor Valar (6:30:42 PM):    RIP (Rest in Pieces) is derived from RIP (Requiem in Pacem).
karakedi25 (6:30:52 PM):    Rest in Peace
Menelvagor Valar (6:30:58 PM):    I know!
karakedi25 (6:31:04 PM):    But yes, the original is Latin
Menelvagor Valar (6:31:05 PM):    I just like to say rest in pieces.
Menelvagor Valar (6:31:19 PM):    because that's what it turns out to be.
karakedi25 (6:31:47 PM):    HOw about steadfast, which is 'him'
karakedi25 (6:31:51 PM):    Himroch
Menelvagor Valar (6:32:35 PM):    I thought about that, but discarded the idea early on.
karakedi25 (6:32:37 PM):    Steadfast horse
karakedi25 (6:32:48 PM):    thala is steady
Menelvagor Valar (6:32:51 PM):    since he's not exactly steadfast, just easy on beginning riders.
Menelvagor Valar (6:33:10 PM):    steady I like better.
karakedi25 (6:33:22 PM):    You may be asking more than we can get from Sindarin, as it's not complete
Menelvagor Valar (6:33:46 PM):    I know, I've had the same problem in Quenya often enough!
VardaValar1 (6:33:56 PM):    stille maybe
karakedi25 (6:34:01 PM):    At least as incomplete
Menelvagor Valar (6:34:23 PM):    so I almost always end up taking the words I don't really think fitting, but are more fitting than all other possible words.
karakedi25 (6:34:24 PM):    That looks like a german word
Menelvagor Valar (6:34:37 PM):    more like dutch for silent.
karakedi25 (6:34:58 PM):    I believe it's also german for the same thing: silent, quiet, still
VardaValar1 (6:37:01 PM):    aye, not working
Menelvagor Valar (6:37:02 PM):    dutch and german are both germanic languages, so that is quite possible :-)
VardaValar1 (6:37:14 PM):    stille is German, aye.
VardaValar1 (6:37:27 PM):    I'm still digging, that was a bad source.
Menelvagor Valar (6:37:28 PM):    I was thinking... and this may work... thalarandir.
Menelvagor Valar (6:37:45 PM):    Which means Steady Wanderer.
Menelvagor Valar (6:37:56 PM):    which is true in most cases.
Menelvagor Valar (6:38:14 PM):    cuz it will keep going its own way if its rider gives him bad directions.
Menelvagor Valar (6:38:27 PM):    as indicated by Fainan's post on page 5 of chapter 5.
karakedi25 (6:39:48 PM):    that will work, as long as Sindarin sound changes don't do something to the -r-
VardaValar1 (6:40:03 PM):    I've seen a number of horses that do that, ones on trail rides for beginners who know *nothing* about horses. : )
Menelvagor Valar (6:40:14 PM):    wanderer ◈ randír S. [rˈɑndiːr] (rhandir N.) n. m. wanderer, pilgrim ◇ Ety/383, VT/42:13, X/RH
Menelvagor Valar (6:41:26 PM):    I've seen those who just start dancing and prancing around too.
Menelvagor Valar (6:41:33 PM):    made for some funny home videos ^^
VardaValar1 (6:43:57 PM):    aye, but such a horse would not be good for Fainan to hand out for this purpose, hehe.
Menelvagor Valar (6:47:13 PM):    very true :-)
Menelvagor Valar (6:47:23 PM):    so Thalarandir I think it will be :-)
Menelvagor Valar (6:47:58 PM):    And I'll make him a gelding, since mares tend to be more temperamentful (and bossy), or so I read somewhere.
Eonwe Valar (6:50:11 PM):    Poor horse.
Menelvagor Valar (6:50:37 PM):    I'll be gentle with him :-)
Menelvagor Valar (6:50:52 PM):    and it may still earn its name again but through other means ^^

VardaValar1 (6:58:04 PM):    We are now breaking up into a WoW and a LotRO group. I'll be heading to LotRO.
VardaValar1 (6:58:23 PM):    Namarie and see you in-game. :-)
VardaValar1 (6:58:32 PM):    Someone please save this transcript!
Iryenth (6:58:35 PM):    Namarie
Iryenth (6:58:41 PM):    I'll email you a copy Varda
VardaValar1 (6:58:56 PM):    Thank you!
karakedi25 (6:59:28 PM):    Until later :)
karakedi25 (6:59:30 PM):    Namarie