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ArPharazonV: Varda and Eonwe might not make it
metarus208: Aiya! to you to... :-)
metarus208: oh too bad ..... :-(
ArPharazonV: I'm a bit busy right now, so we'll start this in a
few minutes, hopefully others are online then too
ArPharazonV: arwen and luthien-tv are invited, not responding
though... anyway, busy for a bit, will talk to you in a few minutes ;-)
metarus208: no probs ...ok
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luthienathariel: Aiya / Suilad
metarus208: what's the last word?....
luthienathariel: same thing, in Sindarin
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ArPharazonV: yay Arien
AriehnV: Aiya there :-)
ArPharazonV: allright, we have an officer in the house
metarus208: an officer?
AriehnV: guess thats me lool
ArPharazonV: Varda and Eonwe sent emails earlier
AriehnV: I am a Maiar by rank, aye, ArienV
ArPharazonV: to each other, Menelvagor and myself
ArPharazonV: both are not likely to join for this meeting
ArPharazonV: so Arien gets to lead!
AriehnV: oh aye looks like i should chair then :-)
metarus208: your first chair I presume?
AriehnV: no not really
AriehnV: third i think
AriehnV: let us begin then
AriehnV: let me have a look at the
newspage , this comes as surprise
AriehnV: there is no membership
news on news site , so may i ask if any of you fellows has any?
: well, happy new
year, college's about to start again
metarus208: not me....
ArPharazonV: I'm not sure if I'm starting tomorrow or tuesday,
should really check...
: Oh yeah, I
forgot.... Happy New Year all! :-)
ArPharazonV: by the way, metarus
ArPharazonV: who are you? :-)
AriehnV: yes thats why i was a bit
AriehnV: ah :-D
AriehnV: Barahir its been long time
i remember you
metarus208: i think we already met
ArPharazonV: I'll add it as a note in my buddylist :-)
AriehnV: lets move on to Web News
AriehnV: there is a new art
Maedhros cave , a nice little cartoon
AriehnV: Legolas does pest control
AriehnV: has anyone of you any web
AriehnV: tolkien related artwork or
an interesting article or such?
metarus208: not me
AriehnV: or just something you
would like to share
ArPharazonV: I got nothing ;-)
metarus208: pardon but no
AriehnV: thats all right :-)
AriehnV: so then
AriehnV: has anyone played anything
besides WoW or LotrO?
ArPharazonV: I've played some Rayman
ArPharazonV: but nothing much else :-)
ArPharazonV: Rayman 1, that is
metarus208: only Rome:Total War
here .... but offline
ArPharazonV: old platform game, Fladrif managed to get it running
on my pc via a program called Dosbox
AriehnV: computer game is computer game :-)
AriehnV: i heard much about Rome TW
, and tried it for a bit but its not my type of game i think
metarus208: I am kinda addicted to it
actually .... :-) ... I am histroy nut and it satisfies
my needs... so what can I say?
AriehnV: heehe a passion i can
fully understand :-D
AriehnV: since i find history
fascinating myself ,
metarus208: guess all Tolkien fans
find it fascinating .....
AriehnV: interesting thought we
will keep it in mind for tolkien moment or topic
AriehnV: lets move on :-)
we dont need to drag for ages
AriehnV: so World of Warcraft
ArPharazonV: got any? :-)
AriehnV: I guess we can skip lotro since none of us played it this
week and those who did are absent hehe
metarus208: negative, commander
AriehnV: WoW Europe Argent Dawn
AriehnV: my druid Finduilaswen has
been active for a few hours yeah and woken up from the winter slumber
ArPharazonV: oh, Varda had some
lotro news tidbit
ArPharazonV: she said in her email "I hit the cap
, level 60, in
LotRO on Fainan."
ArPharazonV: so congratulations to Varda/Fainan :-)
ArPharazonV: sorry, go on ;-)
AriehnV: cool congratulations indeed :-)
metarus208: the cap level .... a
singular ahievement ... I never was able to reach Lvl 99 in Diablo
still dream about level 80 on all my characters .. the closest being 73
on my paladin (Belf), but the levelling process needs stamina
ArPharazonV: oh, I'm 80 now, but the second-highest is my Death
Knight at 58..
ArPharazonV: I'm just too main-oriented to get my other characters
maxed out, really
AriehnV: my hunter is still 62 i think
metarus208: Level 64 on my Paladin
what's-his-name .... omg it's been two years since I played Diablo
AriehnV: thats no bad at all
AriehnV: i think i tried Diablo II
but never got very far
AriehnV: now i am too busy in wow
AriehnV: anyway back to the report
AriehnV: In said waking period i
met our Friend Ar Pharazon in the Valar channel since we gloriously
miss each other always when online
AriehnV: anyway i plan on 72 this
AriehnV: i mean to reach level 72
AriehnV: any thing you want to add
ArPharazonV: well, I saw Menelvagor online a few times
ArPharazonV: on Anarore
ArPharazonV: but nothing much was said
ArPharazonV: oh, and I promoted your character in my guild ;-)
AriehnV: oh yes well noticed :-) very nice , i added
ten gold to Valar guild bank and played ten minutes on my valar priest
AriehnV: which is where we caught
each other :-)
ArPharazonV: I myself have been mainly on Calaron, my druid
ArPharazonV: only logging other characters when I needed some
materials from them through the mail
ArPharazonV: notably my hunter, who carries all my
leatherworking-materials, which Calaron has been levelling
ArPharazonV: I've raided some on Calaron, and quested some, and am
now done with exploring the world, giving me the Northrend-exploring-achievement
and the world-exploring-achievement
ArPharazonV: rewarded by respectively a tabard and a new title
AriehnV: congratulations :-D
ArPharazonV: so now I walk through life as Calaron the Explorer :-)
AriehnV: nice one :-)
AriehnV: i ve got no titles on the
druid , and on Justicia i ve got Jenkins :-) as on my lock
ArPharazonV: Justicia Jenkins? doesn't sound too bad
ArPharazonV: I've got about a dozen titles now
ArPharazonV: and in about 100 quests I'll have Loremaster too
metarus208: a dozen titles.....
AriehnV: yeah a real achievement
hunter our Pharazon
ArPharazonV: well, I'm quite the achiever, indeed
ArPharazonV: currently at 356 achievements or so
ArPharazonV: and 3950 achievement points
AriehnV: i guess that concludes the gaming section we always can
come back to it in after meeting
AriehnV: Now .. Barahir has
mentioned the fact that a lot if not all Tolkien fans are interested in
AriehnV: or if not interested than
fascinated by it
luthienathariel: I am
luthienathariel: but also by physics
metarus208: I am obessesd with anything that has anything to do with
Wars and Battles ,,,
AriehnV: meh what a combination ,
while not as fascinated by modern history, I am interested in
mythology, as well as quite ancient Greek history... around Alexander
the Great, for example
metarus208: Hey me tooo .... I am a Quantum Physics nut also ...
luthienathariel: ah cool
AriehnV: (hates physics :P )
luthienathariel: what do you think of the Copenhagen interpretation?
ArPharazonV: my real fascination lies with the history of life,
though, over the past few billion years
ArPharazonV: I'm studying to become a biogeologist
luthienathariel: ow that's cool, too.
AriehnV: meh can u take that maybe in a private chat or side window
luthienathariel: why? It is interesting.
AriehnV: this belongs not into tolkien
luthienathariel: *sulk* allright
AriehnV: hehe keep it for aftermeeting :-)
ArPharazonV: as for human history, I'm interested in wars and
battles and the general history of territories and empires
metarus208: We hear and obey
AriehnV: ah come on :-) i try to keep the frame of
the meetings ;-)
ArPharazonV: and I guess that goes for Tolkien too
luthienathariel: yes, I am sorry. Just being a bit quirky.
AriehnV: so any idea why that interest in history sits in most
AriehnV: whats the connection?
ArPharazonV: because it's full of it, mostly
metarus208: Hey what about the Battles in Middle-earth ?
ArPharazonV: Lord of the Rings is placed in a setting with a lot
of history and makes a lot of history in itself
luthienathariel: what about them>
AriehnV: a lot of battles there then ok :-)
ArPharazonV: and the earlier books are even more full of history
AriehnV: lets settle on battles
AriehnV: its a bit more graspable
ArPharazonV: we have awakenings, migrations, alliances, battles,
ArPharazonV: a lot of war- and territorial history from the
Silmarillion to Lotr
ArPharazonV: sure, let's focus on the battles :-)
think the first battle that involved the Children was the Battle of the
Quays wasn't it. Between the Noldor and the sea-going elves of Elwe?
AriehnV: The Teleri
AriehnV: aye the kinslaying at
ArPharazonV: the first battle that involved them, sure, but the
war upon Morgoth made earlier was for their safety
metarus208: Ah yes, Aqualonde.... the names are beginning to fade
luthienathariel: yes, the Valar fought Melkor wayyy back
luthienathariel: twice, actually.
ArPharazonV: if I recall, there were 6 major battles in
Beleriand... there was a battle before the hosts arrived too
luthienathariel: the first time to "dry him off" b/c he was making a
mess of middle earth, and Tulkas had arrived especially for that
ArPharazonV: fought between Morgoth's forces on one hand and the
Sindar and Greenelves on the other hand
AriehnV: i think i vaguely remember they first went to Utumno ..
was that the first of Morgoths fortresses?
luthienathariel: and the second time was as a precaution because he
was doing bad things to the Eldar
ArPharazonV: at that point they imprisoned him in Mandos for 7
ages of the world, I think
metarus208: the first battle of Beleriand was between Elu Thingol,
his allies and the first orc-hordes I believe?
ArPharazonV: 3 ages?
and yes, that was the first battle... but the leader of his allies
(don't remember his name) fell in the battle, and many joined Thingol's
realm from thereon
metarus208: I think he fell near a famous hill or mountain
ArPharazonV: I believe those allies were the green-elves from
Ossiriand, and never after did they go to open war
the first battle they fought again was against the Dwarves in the north
of their lands, where they were led by Beren, but that's another story
"There was Melkor doomed to abide for three ages long, before his cause
should be tried anew, or he should plead again for pardon. "
metarus208: The second was of course, the famous Battle Under the
Stars, where Feanor drove the hordes of Mordor bak up north ....
metarus208: thanks for the quote ....
ArPharazonV: thanks :-)
ArPharazonV: the 7 might have been from another version then
luthienathariel: true ...
AriehnV: meh i think we need a list wtith the battles somewhere ..
if that isnt already on the site
AriehnV: i sense a new project or
ArPharazonV: I'll take a look at the encyclopedia
metarus208: I am for it .... i'm the battle-nut
ArPharazonV: hey, we're all battle-nuts here!
luthienathariel: I'm not
metarus208: ok ... :-)
AriehnV: hehe i guess so else we
wouldnt play wow lol
ArPharazonV: it's already there
luthienathariel: ah that explains it then.
AriehnV: there we are
AriehnV: yeah i forgot about that
firstbattle .. good addition of Varda , the one that sparked the
setting up of the girdle of Melian
ArPharazonV: we did mention it earlier, though not that it was the
incentive for the girdle ;-)
AriehnV: the kinslaying is not mentioned though
luthienathariel: maybe bc they are "technically" not battles.
luthienathariel: there have been three kinslayings, though.
AriehnV: i think the battles listed here are just in Beleriand
ArPharazonV: the first one didn't even take place in Beleriand
ArPharazonV: the other 2, however...
metarus208: it wasn't in beleriand no? ... I valinor itseld
luthienathariel: two of the three kinslayings have been in ...'yes
ArPharazonV: I suppose they don't count as battles, indeed
ArPharazonV: the fall of Gondolin isn't mentioned either
metarus208: one in Menegroth and other one at Cirdan's port or
something... wherer Earendil set out from ...
ArPharazonV: I think that single assaults against cities/villages
were not taken into account, only open battle
metarus208: neither is the Battle of Tumhlad, the battle for
Nargothrond wherer Turnin led the elves to a glorious defeat ....
the falls of neither Nargothrond or Gondolin aren't mentioned, the two
battles at Menegroth aren't mentioned, the battle between the
greenelves and the Dwarves isn't mentioned
ArPharazonV: and the battle at the Mouths of Sirion isn't mentioned
ArPharazonV: yes, I imagine it only includes large, multi-faction,
ArPharazonV: though why then the second battle is counted I do not
it might be worth consulting Varda about that Barahir , maybe write her
an email and ask whether you might come up with a full list in the
whole of middleearth over all the books
metarus208: cuz its the first battle
involving the Noldor in Middle-earth?
metarus208: will do ....
ArPharazonV: I fail to see why Tumhalad was not mentioned and the
battle of lake Mithrim was :-)
metarus208: gotta take some time though ... my first Semester exams
are aprroaching ...
AriehnV: :-) ok right
lets have a run through what else we can remember .. i
ArPharazonV: there does not seem to be a significant difference
AriehnV: sure take ur time such a project is quite some research
and a lot of work
AriehnV: it was just a silly idea
from me me which i voiced u dont have to take it up
metarus208: maybe only alrge-scale
invasions out of Angband is considered?
ArPharazonV: perhaps, but then why was the fall of Gondolin not
metarus208: it will be my pleasure to work on it.... my own "Battle
of the Corssings of the Erui' isn't going anywhere ......
metarus208: not large-scale .... it
was kinda single minded ....
ArPharazonV: does the same not go for the Battle under Stars? :-)
metarus208: gotta a point
metarus208: I think the second battle
is the rebel here ....
metarus208: ... but Tolkien himseld
included it and I think we have to leave it at that ....
ArPharazonV: you too have a point...
ArPharazonV: he must have had a reason, so a reason must exit
ArPharazonV: is that all the answer we need?
metarus208: yep ...
ArPharazonV: or do we wish to speculate more on that reason?
think the force for Dagor-un- Giliath was the reinforcements for the
troops for the battle .... so they are kinda part of the same battle ...
metarus208: reinforcements for the
first battle ... sry
metarus208: oh ..... my head's
starting to loll....
AriehnV: hehe its getting late
whats the time for u Barahir?
metarus208: 0459 hrs ....
metarus208: wat about u? ... where are
ArPharazonV: that is late
metarus208: actually its early ...
AriehnV: or early *dry*, its half past elven here
metarus208: my folks get up at
0445-0530 .... so go figure
ArPharazonV: well, I always judge very late and very early by one
ArPharazonV: have you slept, or are you going to sleep still?
ArPharazonV: if you just got up, it's early :-)
metarus208: no got college .... gotta catch the bus by 0636 hrs ...
ArPharazonV: that's still one and a half hours away!
metarus208: yep .. that's why I am here .....but I admit I am geting
a bit groggy ...
ArPharazonV: how long's the busride?
so its early , i d say lets call the meeting w while we enjoy it and we
have seen that Battles are indeed an thankful and interesting topic for
tolkien discussion :-)
AriehnV: Thanks for that Barahir :-)
ArPharazonV: Thank you for the topic indeed :-)
metarus208: depends ... while going 1hr to to 1:15 adn while coming
AriehnV: *bangs gavel* after meeting
ArPharazonV: makes me want to play Battle for Middle-earth again
ArPharazonV: plenty of time to catch more sleep!
metarus208: makes crave for RTW
takes one hour for preparation .... and I am a very reluctant riser
.... so If I fall asleep I may miss the bus ... So i'd rather be awake
and talk to u guys ....
metarus208: .... gals included
ArPharazonV: well, I meant
ArPharazonV: catching some sleep while in the bus :-)
ArPharazonV: or is it on the bus?
ArPharazonV: not sure about English grammar
AriehnV: on the bus i think
metarus208: I ahve a talent at
sleeping ... but of late even that is eluding me
metarus208: on the bus I believe ....
ArPharazonV: while bussing, in any case ;-)
metarus208: hehe ...
AriehnV: is it a publc bus or just
a special school bus that pciks u up?
metarus208: Private College bus...
metarus208: now can we talk about
Alexander of Macedon ?
AriehnV: aye about anything u like :-D
ArPharazonV: and Alexander wept, for there were no more lands to
AriehnV: we are just trying to keep it formal for the so called
*business meeting* but before and after we are big familiy of freinds
metarus208: tell that to Chandragupta
metarus208: *hugs family*
AriehnV: *hugs back*
AriehnV: ah well dear friends i
have to go now i have to work tomorrow at six and get up in four hours
and a bit
metarus208: wat time is for u again?
AriehnV: 20 to midnight now
metarus208: nasty ....
metarus208: 4 hrs ... Yikes
ArPharazonV: that's not a lot of time to sleep
metarus208: wat do u do to get up at 0400 hrs?
AriehnV: i usually get up 20
minutes past four
metarus208: and I thought my wake up
tme was nasty ...
AriehnV: or when i start at nine or
twelve at twenty past seven .. thats the best way to catch a bit gaming
ArPharazonV: same, and I get up at 6, the earliest
AriehnV: hehe u get used to it i ve lived four or five years like
ArPharazonV: what time do you usually go to bed then?
AriehnV: around midnight
metarus208: same here ...
ArPharazonV: you've gone for 4-5 years with usually nothing more
than 4 hours of sleep?
ArPharazonV: I admire your stamina
ArPharazonV: a lifestyle like that would shatter me, no doubt
AriehnV: *blushes and nods * , add the occasional hour more
metarus208: doesn't that lead to
depression or some such ?
AriehnV: but yes mstly like that
luthienathariel: oh I go on little sleep too
metarus208: I would breakdown within days of that lifestyle ...
AriehnV: nah i am all right Barahir
luthienathariel: I actually asked a doc, and he said that it is not so
that everyone ideally needs 8 hrs. Some can do with less.
ArPharazonV: imagine how much better you could be on 7-8 hours
metarus208: 7 for us teens ...
metarus208: was about u luthien?
ArPharazonV: well, that's what vacations are for... I usually go
with 9-10 hours in weeks like these
metarus208: sleeping hours
luthienathariel: about 5, 6 max
ArPharazonV: go to bed at 2-3 am, wake up at noon or 1 am
ArPharazonV: *1 pm
luthienathariel: argh, that kills me. Too much sleep
AriehnV: aye Phara , thats when i catch up too or on days off
metarus208: wow .... wish I could do
ArPharazonV: only during the holidays, Barahir
ArPharazonV: well, and weekends
metarus208: .... I catch up in class ... when I can get away with it
ArPharazonV: ...and days off
AriehnV: lol *pats Barahir*]#
ArPharazonV: I tend to catch up in the train these days
AriehnV: well now ur keeping me awake :-D
ArPharazonV: I haven't fallen asleep in class for years
metarus208: how can u sleep in a city train?
AriehnV: are u saving the scrpt ,
Phara and sending it to Varda?
ArPharazonV: and even then it was only occasionally or during
metarus208: not until I joined College for me ....
ArPharazonV: yah, I'm saving, though you're welcome to send your
metarus208: is it Phar or Phara?
AriehnV: oki do
ArPharazonV: I don't really care.. I've been known as Phar, Phara,
ArPharazonV: I like 'em all
metarus208: I remember Arphy ...
AriehnV: well its been a pleasure
being with you once again
AriehnV: Namarie for now :-)
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metarus208: au revoir ....
has entered the room.
ArPharazonV: as for the train, it's usually open landscape, with
only a few stops in-between for a ride of 40 minutes
metarus208: so u get a seat?
ArPharazonV: oh yes, it's usually not very crowded
ArPharazonV: I often have a space of 4 seats for myself from time
to time :-)
metarus208: I my city ... u will be luck to get a seat in any
metarus208: ... lots of typos
only when I take the train back in the late afternoon, it's quite
crowded and I'm lucky to have a place to sit, let alone an actual seat
metarus208: that's the case here .....all the time
ArPharazonV: but the train empties gradually on the way home, so
halfway I'm usually able to sit down
ArPharazonV: people often use cars here, public transportation is
not that much used, though used often enough to make it profitable
metarus208: *ooh mosque prayer started*
metarus208: Chennai lives on Public
Transport .... if it weren't for it 80% of the workforce would have
been rendered immobile ...
ArPharazonV: see, that
ArPharazonV: is one of the things I don't like about organised
ArPharazonV: "scheduled" rituals and prayers etc
metarus208: ..... well its not my religion so u just talk ....
if you are religious, you should be able to practice it in your own way
without necessarily conforming to strict human-made regulations
ArPharazonV: but let's not have the religion-conversation again :-)
ArPharazonV: whatever works for people, works
ArPharazonV: and I'm not one to try to convince you to change your
ways as long as you don't try it either :-)
.... next time ... I am a bit grooggy and I had only thee hours of
sleep ... I usually sleep 7-8 hrs these days ... but I will pick it up
ArPharazonV: sure, have fun at college :-)
metarus208: .... i am not religious and I am a Hindu besides ... not
Muslim or Christian or Jain
ArPharazonV: Hinduism is a religion, nonetheless
one I don't know much about, granted... I have no idea what rituals you
have or what strict regulations you have (though I believe there was
something about the holy cow?)
metarus208: ... I am a non-practioner ... only go to the rituals when
they take me there by the scruff of the neck ....
metarus208: ..... which is most of the time ...
ArPharazonV: well, if you're going to be religious, that's the
best way to be religious, I guess...
ArPharazonV: less limiting to your daily life in any case
we are very strict observers actually ... I am part of Orthodox family
... Orthoda enoguh to make you tear your hair out ...
metarus208: but I'll live ... that's all that matters ...
ArPharazonV: I guess that's true
metarus208: so ... what else ?
ArPharazonV: no idea
metarus208: well then its farewell time again ....
ArPharazonV: did Alexander ever reach India? I forgot
luthienathariel: I think he got to Turkey
ArPharazonV: I know he got Persia, and stopped at the Himalayans
metarus208: he reached the Jehlum and crossed it to defeat Porus
ArPharazonV: but India, I don't know
metarus208: Jehlum is in India .... its part of Punjab
ArPharazonV: so at least partially, then?
metarus208: but then again Pakistan was still part of India then ....
he visited Quetta and Multan ....
.... when he wanted to conquer the plains his armies mutinied when they
leartnt that the Indian king was waiting for them across the Ganges
with 200000 army with 200 elephants ...
ArPharazonV: that's more than Hannibal got, in any case...
metarus208 has left the room.
ArPharazonV: hmm, Barahir says he disconnected, but I can't invite
him while he's in the r...
ArPharazonV: ah, there we go
ArPharazonV: told him to close off AIM and come back
ArPharazonV: and that seems to have worked :-)
metarus208 has entered the room.
metarus208: back ....
ArPharazonV: yep, that worked
ArPharazonV: you exited the room the moment you logged out
were we talking about ....Hannibal ... poor Hannibal Barca ... all the
reinforcements he ever reciever were less than the one he lost at
metarus208: anyways gotta go .... College calls ....
ArPharazonV: was forced to return to Carthage before taking Rome
ArPharazonV: and defeated at Zama
metarus208: .... Zama
ArPharazonV: well, North Africa anyway
metarus208: .... gotta go go..
ArPharazonV: good luck, have fun
ArPharazonV: and try to catch some sleep on the way!
metarus208: Namarie to all
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Eonwe Valar has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar: Greetings
Eonwe Valar: How'd the meeting go?
ArPharazonV: quite well
ArPharazonV: Arien chaired, and Barahir was very active too
ArPharazonV: you missed both, I'm afraid :-)
Eonwe Valar: Glad to hear we had someone to take care of the meeting.
ArPharazonV: she handled it well
Eonwe Valar: Barahir say anything interesting?
Eonwe Valar: I'm guessing "very active"
= Tolkien chat?
ArPharazonV: yes, though gaming also
Eonwe Valar: Ah, ok
ArPharazonV: the topic was a correlation between liking history
and liking Tolkien/lotr
ArPharazonV: and we eventually focused on battles, and the 6
battles of Beleriand
Eonwe Valar: Cool.
Eonwe Valar: Would you mind including
me in the mailing when you send Varda a copy of the meeting?
ArPharazonV: sure, can do
Eonwe Valar: Thanks.
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luthienathariel has left the room.
ArPharazonV: saving and sending
Eonwe Valar: OK
Eonwe Valar: Thanks