Valar Guild

Janurary 4, 2009 Meeting

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Ar-Pharazon and Varda

Attending: (5.5)
    AriehnV (presiding), ArPharazonV, arwenv1, Barahir-(V)/ metarus208, luthienathariel
    Eonwe Valar came after the meeting.

Meeting begins
    Ar-Pharazon is starting back to college
    Barahir wishes all a happy new year
    Art: cartoon by Maedhros-(V)
       Rayman 1
       Rome: Total War
    LotrO: set off a chat on level caps in various games
    WoW Europe (all members present were from Europe)
    Tolkien fans seem to have in common a liking for history. Battles, Battles of Beleriand, our Tolkien web-site
    History: Alexander
    Public transportation

You have just entered room "valarguildmeetingplace."
metarus208 has entered the room.
ArPharazonV: Aiya
ArPharazonV: Varda and Eonwe might not make it
metarus208: Aiya! to you to... :-)
metarus208: oh too bad ..... :-(
ArPharazonV: I'm a bit busy right now, so we'll start this in a few minutes, hopefully others are online then too
metarus208: ok....
ArPharazonV: arwen and luthien-tv are invited, not responding though... anyway, busy for a bit, will talk to you in a few minutes ;-)
metarus208: no probs ...ok
luthienathariel has entered the room.
metarus208: Aiya!
ArPharazonV: aiya
luthienathariel: Aiya / Suilad
metarus208: what's the last word?....
luthienathariel: same thing, in Sindarin
luthienathariel: "Greetings"
metarus208: oh
AriehnV has entered the room.
metarus208: aiya
ArPharazonV: yay Arien
AriehnV: Aiya there :-)
ArPharazonV: allright, we have an officer in the house
metarus208: an officer?
AriehnV: guess thats me lool
ArPharazonV: Varda and Eonwe sent emails earlier
AriehnV: I am a Maiar by rank, aye, ArienV
metarus208: oh
ArPharazonV: to each other, Menelvagor and myself
ArPharazonV: both are not likely to join for this meeting
ArPharazonV: so Arien gets to lead!
AriehnV: oh aye looks like i should chair then :-)
metarus208: your first chair I presume?
AriehnV: no not really
AriehnV: third i think
AriehnV: let us begin then

AriehnV: Elen sila lummenn omentielvo!
AriehnV: let me have a look at the newspage , this comes as surprise
AriehnV: there is no membership news on news site , so may i ask if any of you fellows has any?
ArPharazonV: well, happy new year, college's about to start again
metarus208: not me....
ArPharazonV: I'm not sure if I'm starting tomorrow or tuesday, should really check...
metarus208: Oh yeah, I forgot.... Happy New Year all! :-)
ArPharazonV: by the way, metarus
ArPharazonV: who are you? :-)
metarus208: Barahir-(V)
AriehnV: yes thats why i was a bit puzzled
AriehnV: ah :-D
AriehnV: Barahir its been long time i remember you
metarus208: i think we already met before....
AriehnV: indeed
ArPharazonV: I'll add it as a note in my buddylist :-)
AriehnV: right

AriehnV: lets move on to Web News
AriehnV: there is a new art work in Maedhros cave , a nice little cartoon
metarus208: nice...
AriehnV: Legolas does pest control ,neat work
AriehnV: has anyone of you any web news?
AriehnV: tolkien related artwork or an interesting article or such?
metarus208: not me
AriehnV: or just something you would like to share
ArPharazonV: sorry
ArPharazonV: I got nothing ;-)
metarus208: pardon but no
AriehnV: thats all right :-)

AriehnV: so then gaming news
metarus208: yay
AriehnV: has anyone played anything besides WoW or LotrO?
ArPharazonV: I've played some Rayman
ArPharazonV: but nothing much else :-)
ArPharazonV: Rayman 1, that is
metarus208: only Rome:Total War here .... but offline
ArPharazonV: old platform game, Fladrif managed to get it running on my pc via a program called Dosbox
AriehnV: computer game is computer game :-)
AriehnV: i heard much about Rome TW , and tried it for a bit but its not my type of game i think
metarus208: I am kinda addicted to it actually .... :-) ... I am histroy nut and it satisfies my needs... so what can I say?
AriehnV: heehe a passion i can fully understand :-D
AriehnV: since i find history fascinating myself ,
metarus208: guess all Tolkien fans find it fascinating .....
AriehnV: interesting thought we will keep it in mind for tolkien moment or topic
metarus208: ok...
AriehnV: lets move on :-) we dont need to drag for ages
AriehnV: so World of Warcraft report
ArPharazonV: got any? :-)
AriehnV: I guess we can skip lotro since none of us played it this week and those who did are absent hehe
metarus208: negative, commander
AriehnV: WoW Europe Argent Dawn
AriehnV: my druid Finduilaswen has been active for a few hours yeah and woken up from the winter slumber
ArPharazonV: oh, Varda had some lotro news tidbit
ArPharazonV: she said in her email "I hit the cap, level 60, in LotRO on Fainan."
ArPharazonV: so congratulations to Varda/Fainan :-)
ArPharazonV: sorry, go on ;-)
AriehnV: cool congratulations indeed :-)
metarus208: the cap level .... a singular ahievement ... I never was able to reach Lvl 99 in Diablo myself ....
AriehnV: i still dream about level 80 on all my characters .. the closest being 73 on my paladin (Belf), but the levelling process needs stamina
ArPharazonV: oh, I'm 80 now, but the second-highest is my Death Knight at 58..
ArPharazonV: I'm just too main-oriented to get my other characters maxed out, really
AriehnV: my hunter is still 62 i think
metarus208: Level 64 on my Paladin what's-his-name .... omg it's been two years since I played Diablo
AriehnV: thats no bad at all
AriehnV: i think i tried Diablo II but never got very far
AriehnV: now i am too busy in wow
AriehnV: anyway back to the report
AriehnV: In said waking period i met our Friend Ar Pharazon in the Valar channel since we gloriously miss each other always when online
AriehnV: anyway i plan on 72 this week ;-)
AriehnV: i mean to reach level 72
AriehnV: any thing you want to add , Phara?
ArPharazonV: well, I saw Menelvagor online a few times
ArPharazonV: on Anarore
ArPharazonV: but nothing much was said
ArPharazonV: oh, and I promoted your character in my guild ;-)
AriehnV: oh yes well noticed :-) very nice , i added ten gold to Valar guild bank and played ten minutes on my valar priest Ahrienn
AriehnV: which is where we caught each other :-)
ArPharazonV: I myself have been mainly on Calaron, my druid
ArPharazonV: only logging other characters when I needed some materials from them through the mail
ArPharazonV: notably my hunter, who carries all my leatherworking-materials, which Calaron has been levelling
ArPharazonV: I've raided some on Calaron, and quested some, and am now done with exploring the world, giving me the Northrend-exploring-achievement and the world-exploring-achievement
ArPharazonV: rewarded by respectively a tabard and a new title
AriehnV: congratulations :-D
ArPharazonV: so now I walk through life as Calaron the Explorer :-)
AriehnV: nice one :-)
AriehnV: i ve got no titles on the druid , and on Justicia i ve got Jenkins :-) as on my lock
ArPharazonV: Justicia Jenkins? doesn't sound too bad
ArPharazonV: I've got about a dozen titles now
ArPharazonV: and in about 100 quests I'll have Loremaster too
AriehnV: cool
metarus208: a dozen titles.....
AriehnV: yeah a real achievement hunter our Pharazon
ArPharazonV: well, I'm quite the achiever, indeed
ArPharazonV: currently at 356 achievements or so
ArPharazonV: and 3950 achievement points
AriehnV: i guess that concludes the gaming section we always can come back to it in after meeting
ArPharazonV: sure

AriehnV: Tolkien topic :-)
AriehnV: Now .. Barahir has mentioned the fact that a lot if not all Tolkien fans are interested in history
AriehnV: or if not interested than fascinated by it
luthienathariel: I am
luthienathariel: but also by physics
metarus208: I am obessesd with anything that has anything to do with Wars and Battles ,,,
AriehnV: meh what a combination , smirks
ArPharazonV: while not as fascinated by modern history, I am interested in mythology, as well as quite ancient Greek history... around Alexander the Great, for example
metarus208: Hey me tooo .... I am a Quantum Physics nut also ...
luthienathariel: ah cool
AriehnV: (hates physics :P )
luthienathariel: what do you think of the Copenhagen interpretation?
ArPharazonV: my real fascination lies with the history of life, though, over the past few billion years
ArPharazonV: I'm studying to become a biogeologist
luthienathariel: ow that's cool, too.
AriehnV: meh can u take that maybe in a private chat or side window
luthienathariel: why? It is interesting.
AriehnV: this belongs not into tolkien
luthienathariel: :D
luthienathariel: *sulk* allright
AriehnV: hehe keep it for aftermeeting :-)
ArPharazonV: as for human history, I'm interested in wars and battles and the general history of territories and empires
metarus208: We hear and obey
luthienathariel: lol
AriehnV: ah come on :-) i try to keep the frame of the meetings ;-)
ArPharazonV: and I guess that goes for Tolkien too
luthienathariel: yes, I am sorry. Just being a bit quirky.
AriehnV: so any idea why that interest in history sits in most tolkien fans?
AriehnV: whats the connection?
ArPharazonV: because it's full of it, mostly
luthienathariel: sure
metarus208: Hey what about the Battles in Middle-earth ?
ArPharazonV: Lord of the Rings is placed in a setting with a lot of history and makes a lot of history in itself
luthienathariel: what about them>
AriehnV: a lot of battles there then ok :-)
ArPharazonV: and the earlier books are even more full of history
luthienathariel: indeed.
AriehnV: lets settle on battles
AriehnV: its a bit more graspable
ArPharazonV: we have awakenings, migrations, alliances, battles, wars, conquests....
ArPharazonV: a lot of war- and territorial history from the Silmarillion to Lotr
ArPharazonV: sure, let's focus on the battles :-)
metarus208: I think the first battle that involved the Children was the Battle of the Quays wasn't it. Between the Noldor and the sea-going elves of Elwe?
AriehnV: The Teleri
AriehnV: aye the kinslaying at Alqualonde
ArPharazonV: the first battle that involved them, sure, but the war upon Morgoth made earlier was for their safety
metarus208: Ah yes, Aqualonde.... the names are beginning to fade
luthienathariel: yes, the Valar fought Melkor wayyy back
luthienathariel: twice, actually.
ArPharazonV: if I recall, there were 6 major battles in Beleriand... there was a battle before the hosts arrived too
luthienathariel: the first time to "dry him off" b/c he was making a mess of middle earth, and Tulkas had arrived especially for that
ArPharazonV: fought between Morgoth's forces on one hand and the Sindar and Greenelves on the other hand
AriehnV: i think i vaguely remember they first went to Utumno .. was that the first of Morgoths fortresses?
luthienathariel: and the second time was as a precaution because he was doing bad things to the Eldar
ArPharazonV: yep
ArPharazonV: at that point they imprisoned him in Mandos for 7 ages of the world, I think
metarus208: the first battle of Beleriand was between Elu Thingol, his allies and the first orc-hordes I believe?
luthienathariel: 3
ArPharazonV: 3 ages?
luthienathariel: yes
ArPharazonV: and yes, that was the first battle... but the leader of his allies (don't remember his name) fell in the battle, and many joined Thingol's realm from thereon
metarus208: I think he fell near a famous hill or mountain
ArPharazonV: I believe those allies were the green-elves from Ossiriand, and never after did they go to open war
ArPharazonV: the first battle they fought again was against the Dwarves in the north of their lands, where they were led by Beren, but that's another story :-)
luthienathariel: "There was Melkor doomed to abide for three ages long, before his cause should be tried anew, or he should plead again for pardon. "
metarus208: The second was of course, the famous Battle Under the Stars, where Feanor drove the hordes of Mordor bak up north ....
metarus208: thanks for the quote ....
ArPharazonV: thanks :-)
ArPharazonV: the 7 might have been from another version then
luthienathariel: true ...
AriehnV: meh i think we need a list wtith the battles somewhere .. if that isnt already on the site
AriehnV: i sense a new project or something
ArPharazonV: I'll take a look at the encyclopedia
metarus208: I am for it .... i'm the battle-nut
ArPharazonV: hey, we're all battle-nuts here!
luthienathariel: I'm not
metarus208: ok ... :-)
AriehnV: hehe i guess so else we wouldnt play wow lol
ArPharazonV: it's already there
luthienathariel: ah that explains it then.
AriehnV: there we are
AriehnV: yeah i forgot about that firstbattle .. good addition of Varda , the one that sparked the setting up of the girdle of Melian
ArPharazonV: we did mention it earlier, though not that it was the incentive for the girdle ;-)
AriehnV: the kinslaying is not mentioned though
luthienathariel: maybe bc they are "technically" not battles.
luthienathariel: there have been three kinslayings, though.
AriehnV: i think the battles listed here are just in Beleriand
ArPharazonV: the first one didn't even take place in Beleriand
ArPharazonV: the other 2, however...
metarus208: it wasn't in beleriand no? ... I valinor itseld
luthienathariel: two of the three kinslayings have been in ...'yes
ArPharazonV: I suppose they don't count as battles, indeed
ArPharazonV: the fall of Gondolin isn't mentioned either
metarus208: one in Menegroth and other one at Cirdan's port or something... wherer Earendil set out from ...
ArPharazonV: I think that single assaults against cities/villages were not taken into account, only open battle
metarus208: neither is the Battle of Tumhlad, the battle for Nargothrond wherer Turnin led the elves to a glorious defeat ....
ArPharazonV: the falls of neither Nargothrond or Gondolin aren't mentioned, the two battles at Menegroth aren't mentioned, the battle between the greenelves and the Dwarves isn't mentioned
ArPharazonV: and the battle at the Mouths of Sirion isn't mentioned
ArPharazonV: yes, I imagine it only includes large, multi-faction, open-field warfare
ArPharazonV: though why then the second battle is counted I do not know
AriehnV: hmm it might be worth consulting Varda about that Barahir , maybe write her an email and ask whether you might come up with a full list in the whole of middleearth over all the books
metarus208: cuz its the first battle involving the Noldor in Middle-earth?
metarus208: will do ....
ArPharazonV: I fail to see why Tumhalad was not mentioned and the battle of lake Mithrim was :-)
metarus208: gotta take some time though ... my first Semester exams are aprroaching ...
AriehnV: :-) ok right lets have a run through what else we can remember .. i
ArPharazonV: there does not seem to be a significant difference for inclusion
AriehnV: sure take ur time such a project is quite some research and a lot of work
AriehnV: it was just a silly idea from me me which i voiced u dont have to take it up
metarus208: maybe only alrge-scale invasions out of Angband is considered?
ArPharazonV: perhaps, but then why was the fall of Gondolin not mentioned? :-)
metarus208: it will be my pleasure to work on it.... my own "Battle of the Corssings of the Erui' isn't going anywhere ......
metarus208: not large-scale .... it was kinda single minded ....
ArPharazonV: does the same not go for the Battle under Stars? :-)
metarus208: gotta a point
metarus208: I think the second battle is the rebel here ....
metarus208: ... but Tolkien himseld included it and I think we have to leave it at that ....
ArPharazonV: you too have a point...
ArPharazonV: he must have had a reason, so a reason must exit
ArPharazonV: *exist
ArPharazonV: is that all the answer we need?
metarus208: yep ...
ArPharazonV: or do we wish to speculate more on that reason?
metarus208: I think the force for Dagor-un- Giliath was the reinforcements for the troops for the battle .... so they are kinda part of the same battle ...
metarus208: reinforcements for the first battle ... sry
metarus208: oh ..... my head's starting to loll....
AriehnV: hehe its getting late whats the time for u Barahir?
metarus208: 0459 hrs ....
AriehnV: ouch
metarus208: wat about u? ... where are u actully?
ArPharazonV: that is late
metarus208: actually its early ...
ArPharazonV: hehe
AriehnV: or early *dry*, its half past elven here
metarus208: my folks get up at 0445-0530 .... so go figure
ArPharazonV: well, I always judge very late and very early by one question...
ArPharazonV: have you slept, or are you going to sleep still?
ArPharazonV: if you just got up, it's early :-)
metarus208: no got college .... gotta catch the bus by 0636 hrs ...
ArPharazonV: that's still one and a half hours away!
metarus208: yep .. that's why I am here .....but I admit I am geting a bit groggy ...
ArPharazonV: how long's the busride?
AriehnV: ah so its early , i d say lets call the meeting w while we enjoy it and we have seen that Battles are indeed an thankful and interesting topic for tolkien discussion :-)
AriehnV: /
AriehnV: Thanks for that Barahir :-)
ArPharazonV: Thank you for the topic indeed :-)
metarus208: depends ... while going 1hr to to 1:15 adn while coming back 1:30

AriehnV: *bangs gavel* after meeting
ArPharazonV: makes me want to play Battle for Middle-earth again
ArPharazonV: ah
ArPharazonV: plenty of time to catch more sleep!
metarus208: makes crave for RTW
metarus208: it takes one hour for preparation .... and I am a very reluctant riser .... so If I fall asleep I may miss the bus ... So i'd rather be awake and talk to u guys ....
metarus208: .... gals included
ArPharazonV: well, I meant
ArPharazonV: catching some sleep while in the bus :-)
ArPharazonV: or is it on the bus?
ArPharazonV: not sure about English grammar
AriehnV: on the bus i think
metarus208: I ahve a talent at sleeping ... but of late even that is eluding me
metarus208: on the bus I believe ....
ArPharazonV: while bussing, in any case ;-)
metarus208: hehe ...
AriehnV: is it a publc bus or just a special school bus that pciks u up?
metarus208: Private College bus...
metarus208: now can we talk about Alexander of Macedon ?
AriehnV: aye about anything u like :-D
ArPharazonV: and Alexander wept, for there were no more lands to conquer...
AriehnV: we are just trying to keep it formal for the so called *business meeting* but before and after we are big familiy of freinds
metarus208: tell that to Chandragupta Maurya
metarus208: *hugs family*
AriehnV: *hugs back*
AriehnV: ah well dear friends i have to go now i have to work tomorrow at six and get up in four hours and a bit
metarus208: wat time is for u again?
AriehnV: 20 to midnight now
metarus208: nasty ....
metarus208: 4 hrs ... Yikes
ArPharazonV: that's not a lot of time to sleep
metarus208: wat do u do to get up at 0400 hrs?
AriehnV: i usually get up 20 minutes past four
metarus208: and I thought my wake up tme was nasty ...
AriehnV: or when i start at nine or twelve at twenty past seven .. thats the best way to catch a bit gaming time
ArPharazonV: same, and I get up at 6, the earliest
ArPharazonV: well
AriehnV: hehe u get used to it i ve lived four or five years like that
ArPharazonV: what time do you usually go to bed then?
AriehnV: around midnight
metarus208: same here ...
ArPharazonV: you've gone for 4-5 years with usually nothing more than 4 hours of sleep?
ArPharazonV: I admire your stamina
ArPharazonV: a lifestyle like that would shatter me, no doubt
AriehnV: *blushes and nods * , add the occasional hour more
metarus208: doesn't that lead to depression or some such ?
AriehnV: but yes mstly like that
luthienathariel: oh I go on little sleep too
metarus208: I would breakdown within days of that lifestyle ...
AriehnV: nah i am all right Barahir :-)
luthienathariel: I actually asked a doc, and he said that it is not so that everyone ideally needs 8 hrs. Some can do with less.
ArPharazonV: imagine how much better you could be on 7-8 hours instead ;-)
metarus208: 7 for us teens ...
metarus208: was about u luthien?
luthienathariel: ?
luthienathariel: what?
ArPharazonV: well, that's what vacations are for... I usually go with 9-10 hours in weeks like these
metarus208: sleeping hours
luthienathariel: about 5, 6 max
ArPharazonV: go to bed at 2-3 am, wake up at noon or 1 am
ArPharazonV: *1 pm
luthienathariel: argh, that kills me. Too much sleep
AriehnV: aye Phara , thats when i catch up too or on days off
metarus208: wow .... wish I could do that!
ArPharazonV: only during the holidays, Barahir
ArPharazonV: well, and weekends
metarus208: .... I catch up in class ... when I can get away with it ....
ArPharazonV: ...and days off
AriehnV: lol *pats Barahir*]#
ArPharazonV: I tend to catch up in the train these days
AriehnV: well now ur keeping me awake :-D
ArPharazonV: I haven't fallen asleep in class for years
metarus208: how can u sleep in a city train?
AriehnV: are u saving the scrpt , Phara and sending it to Varda?
ArPharazonV: and even then it was only occasionally or during breaks
metarus208: not until I joined College for me ....
ArPharazonV: yah, I'm saving, though you're welcome to send your own copy
metarus208: is it Phar or Phara?
AriehnV: oki do
ArPharazonV: I don't really care.. I've been known as Phar, Phara, Arphy...
ArPharazonV: I like 'em all
metarus208: I remember Arphy ...
AriehnV: well its been a pleasure being with you once again
AriehnV: Namarie for now :-)
ArPharazonV: namarie
metarus208: Namarie
AriehnV has left the room.
metarus208: au revoir ....
arwenv1 has entered the room.
ArPharazonV: as for the train, it's usually open landscape, with only a few stops in-between for a ride of 40 minutes
metarus208: so u get a seat?
ArPharazonV: oh yes, it's usually not very crowded
ArPharazonV: I often have a space of 4 seats for myself from time to time :-)
metarus208: I my city ... u will be luck to get a seat in any transport ....
metarus208: ... lots of typos
ArPharazonV: only when I take the train back in the late afternoon, it's quite crowded and I'm lucky to have a place to sit, let alone an actual seat :-)
metarus208: that's the case here .....all the time
ArPharazonV: but the train empties gradually on the way home, so halfway I'm usually able to sit down
ArPharazonV: people often use cars here, public transportation is not that much used, though used often enough to make it profitable
metarus208: *ooh mosque prayer started*
metarus208: Chennai lives on Public Transport .... if it weren't for it 80% of the workforce would have been rendered immobile ...
ArPharazonV: see, that
ArPharazonV: is one of the things I don't like about organised religion...
ArPharazonV: "scheduled" rituals and prayers etc
metarus208: ..... well its not my religion so u just talk ....
ArPharazonV: if you are religious, you should be able to practice it in your own way without necessarily conforming to strict human-made regulations
ArPharazonV: but let's not have the religion-conversation again :-)
ArPharazonV: whatever works for people, works
ArPharazonV: and I'm not one to try to convince you to change your ways as long as you don't try it either :-)
metarus208: well .... next time ... I am a bit grooggy and I had only thee hours of sleep ... I usually sleep 7-8 hrs these days ... but I will pick it up with u
ArPharazonV: sure, have fun at college :-)
metarus208: .... i am not religious and I am a Hindu besides ... not Muslim or Christian or Jain
ArPharazonV: Hinduism is a religion, nonetheless
ArPharazonV: one I don't know much about, granted... I have no idea what rituals you have or what strict regulations you have (though I believe there was something about the holy cow?)
metarus208: ... I am a non-practioner ... only go to the rituals when they take me there by the scruff of the neck ....
ArPharazonV: hah
metarus208: ..... which is most of the time ...
ArPharazonV: well, if you're going to be religious, that's the best way to be religious, I guess...
ArPharazonV: less limiting to your daily life in any case
metarus208: .... we are very strict observers actually ... I am part of Orthodox family ... Orthoda enoguh to make you tear your hair out ...
ArPharazonV: ouch
metarus208: but I'll live ... that's all that matters ...
ArPharazonV: I guess that's true
metarus208: so ... what else ?
ArPharazonV: no idea
metarus208: well then its farewell time again ....
ArPharazonV: perhaps
ArPharazonV: did Alexander ever reach India? I forgot
luthienathariel: I think he got to Turkey
ArPharazonV: I know he got Persia, and stopped at the Himalayans
metarus208: he reached the Jehlum and crossed it to defeat Porus
ArPharazonV: but India, I don't know
metarus208: Jehlum is in India .... its part of Punjab
ArPharazonV: ah
ArPharazonV: so at least partially, then?
metarus208: but then again Pakistan was still part of India then .... he visited Quetta and Multan ....
metarus208: Yes .... when he wanted to conquer the plains his armies mutinied when they leartnt that the Indian king was waiting for them across the Ganges with 200000 army with 200 elephants ...
ArPharazonV: ouch
ArPharazonV: that's more than Hannibal got, in any case...
metarus208 has left the room.
ArPharazonV: hmm, Barahir says he disconnected, but I can't invite him while he's in the r...
ArPharazonV: ah, there we go
ArPharazonV: told him to close off AIM and come back
ArPharazonV: and that seems to have worked :-)
metarus208 has entered the room.
metarus208: back ....
ArPharazonV: yep, that worked
ArPharazonV: you exited the room the moment you logged out
metarus208: wat were we talking about ....Hannibal ... poor Hannibal Barca ... all the reinforcements he ever reciever were less than the one he lost at Cannae ....
ArPharazonV: yep
metarus208: anyways gotta go .... College calls ....
ArPharazonV: was forced to return to Carthage before taking Rome
ArPharazonV: and defeated at Zama
metarus208: .... Zama
ArPharazonV: well, North Africa anyway
metarus208: .... gotta go go..
ArPharazonV: good luck, have fun
ArPharazonV: and try to catch some sleep on the way!
metarus208: Namarie to all
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Eonwe Valar has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar: Greetings
ArPharazonV: Aiya
luthienathariel: :-)
Eonwe Valar: How'd the meeting go?
ArPharazonV: quite well
ArPharazonV: Arien chaired, and Barahir was very active too
ArPharazonV: you missed both, I'm afraid :-)
Eonwe Valar: Glad to hear we had someone to take care of the meeting.
ArPharazonV: hmhm
ArPharazonV: she handled it well
Eonwe Valar: Barahir say anything interesting?
Eonwe Valar: I'm guessing "very active" = Tolkien chat?
ArPharazonV: yes, though gaming also
Eonwe Valar: Ah, ok
ArPharazonV: the topic was a correlation between liking history and liking Tolkien/lotr
ArPharazonV: and we eventually focused on battles, and the 6 battles of Beleriand
Eonwe Valar: Cool.
Eonwe Valar: Would you mind including me in the mailing when you send Varda a copy of the meeting?
ArPharazonV: sure, can do
Eonwe Valar: Thanks.
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ArPharazonV: saving and sending
ArPharazonV: saved
Eonwe Valar: OK
Eonwe Valar: Thanks