Valar Guild

December 13, 2009 Sunday Meeting

5pm EST (GMT - 5)
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Ar-Pharazon and Varda

Attending: (7)
    AriehnV (presiding), ArPharazonV, fladrifv, GwaihirValar, Indis-(V)/karakedi25, TulkasValar61, VardaValar1

Meeting begins
    Arien's topic: Parallels between Lord of the Rings, Ashbringer, and others.


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AriehnV: aiya ^^
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TulkasValar61: Aiya
ArPharazonV: Aiya all
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GwaihirValar: Hello
TulkasValar61: Hello
ArPharazonV: can anyone invite Menelvagor?
ArPharazonV: or does anyone have anyone else in their valar-buddylist?
ArPharazonV: If not, I guess it would be up to... Arien, as Maia-rank, to lead this meeting?
ArPharazonV: Varda will be late or absent due to family activities and Eonwe's at work
AriehnV: let me se
AriehnV: his note sais he is busy
AriehnV: but i sent him an invitation and a whisper
ArPharazonV: I invited Luthien even though she's only really interested in Tolkien but the more the better
ArPharazonV: looks like it's the 5 of us
TulkasValar61: okie
AriehnV: all rigfht shall we start then? we can make it a quick meeting
AriehnV: in the absence of Varda and Eonwe you will have to make do with me as chair i fear
ArPharazonV: *bows to the new leader*
GwaihirValar: hehe

AriehnV: Elen silá lummenn omentielvo !
AriehnV: A stars shines upon the hour of our meeting
AriehnV: its not quantitly that counts but quality :-)
AriehnV: Has any one web news? there is nothing on the news page
ArPharazonV: Not that I know of, but Eonwe's probably done some webwork of some form or other.
AriehnV: aye likely
GwaihirValar: Really sorry, something's come up and I have to step away from my computer for an hour or so... thank you for the invite and I'll check the news page later tonight... take care folks
AriehnV: take care Gwaihir
AriehnV: Namarie for now
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TulkasValar61: speaking of the web site, are the stories that describe our startup still around somewhere
AriehnV: The start of the Valarguild?
TulkasValar61: Yep
TulkasValar61: Eru's vision..ect ect there used to be about 5 perspectives from members of the council
ArPharazonV: I'm not sure. Probably somewhere.
AriehnV: i ll have a look in the search function
ArPharazonV: Though I admit I can't seem to find anything at the moment.
TulkasValar61: I was glancing at it today for a while and couldnt find some of the stuff I remember fron long ago :-)
ArPharazonV: try
ArPharazonV: found it through a link for Aule at the membership page
TulkasValar61: cool
TulkasValar61: I need to look Aule up irl
AriehnV: nice Ar Pharazon thanks for the link

AriehnV: has anyone some Membership news then?
ArPharazonV: if there's nothing in the news, I can't help you with that I'm afraid
TulkasValar61: I almost found a new member last week...but then my puter died on me..its happened twice in the middle of a potential recruitment, but now I have fixed the problem
AriehnV: eeks stupid timing
AriehnV: but glad you could fix the problem :-)
AriehnV: seems there was some worm loose in a few valarite computers
TulkasValar61: no mine was simply a funky cooling fan and cleaning of areas you cant see until you pull it right apart
AriehnV: but new fan now?
TulkasValar61: yep
AriehnV: thats good news
TulkasValar61: I dont have to rest blocks of frozen squash on the keyboard of my laptop to complete an instance any more :-!
AriehnV: :-D hooray
AriehnV: i had a freaky bug that didnt want to download the last patch in wow ... but my dear laddie , my fiance Bruce managed to fix that
AriehnV: and if the bugger had gotten his behind sooner out of bed it would have saved me a lot of nerves alas
AriehnV: but there you go , technic is wonderful as long as it works .. but else i think made to annoy us \;0

AriehnV: this brings me however to gaming news if noone has anything else?
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VardaValar1: Aiya :-)
AriehnV: Aiya Varda :-)
ArPharazonV: yay! Aiya
TulkasValar61: I will not be able to game until after Jan 6. I am on a ship right now, and cannot get a fast enuf internet connection to play Lotro, I am considering reloading diablo 1 for a month just to keep my occupied in off hours
AriehnV: welcome and a thousand time welcomes
TulkasValar61: Heya Varda,
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TulkasValar61: where did she go? said she was typing then poof ...gone
AriehnV: i think she dcd or the computer crashed
TulkasValar61: I know the feeling all too well
AriehnV: i was just filling her in what had been said
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AriehnV: but she is back :-)
TulkasValar61: Welcome back
VardaValar1: Am I back?
VardaValar1: "Unknown error"
AriehnV: aiyata
VardaValar1: Hantal
ArPharazonV: Aiyata
AriehnV: there we go ..
VardaValar1: Pray continue, and I'll join in as any other person would. :-)
AriehnV: what was that with technics that we said earlier ... , technic is wonderful when it works ..
VardaValar1: hehe
ArPharazonV: heh
VardaValar1: Beats trying to holler to each other.
AriehnV: all right has anyone played any non LotrO or non WoW games this week?
ArPharazonV: 'fraid not much, a lot of my free time was swallowed up by wow-patch ;-)
TulkasValar61: I'm down 20 k in playmoney poker >:o
VardaValar1: Sauron plays a lot of tabletop WarHammer, Magic the Gathering.
VardaValar1: lol Tulkas!
VardaValar1: Bilbo's been playing first person shooters.
TulkasValar61: Wont be able to make the imaginary payments on my imaginary mega yacht if I keep losing my playmoney at this rate
AriehnV: aye and my self bit forcedly played BoME I up to the defence of lothlorien which i havent cracked yet ... somehow the fellow ship gets always in the middle of the battle and someone is killed
AriehnV: ah well always risk only what you have Tulkas :-) imaginary or not
ArPharazonV: keep the hobbits to the back :-)
AriehnV: hehe ok i ll try that then :-)
ArPharazonV: I find that most of the fellowship can handle themselves with some backup but the hobbits die awfully fast, keep them on their ranged attack and pull them out as soon as they've reached your preferred level
TulkasValar61: afk 5 minutes
TulkasValar61: working
AriehnV: and i played throught the Horde bonus campaingn in Warcraft III , Reign of chaos, and am up in andorhal saved and spitting the scourge in their backyard
AriehnV: :-) thats it from me in that quarter :-)
AriehnV: and now .. the time has come
AriehnV: WoW - :-)
AriehnV: as we all have noticed Patch 3.3 has come out
AriehnV: some with more luck and others with less .. names not mentioned :-)
AriehnV: we all have our first steps in it and played with some of the new improvements
AriehnV: general echo seems to be very positive , especially the new dungeon finder
AriehnV: I myself didnt have the chance to try it out yet
AriehnV: since was on late shift all week
AriehnV: but i do like the new map tool and the way the dungeon finder is built
AriehnV: The chance of killing Arthas finally is intriguing and i read up the story line for the new dungeons
AriehnV: four five man i think and one 25 or so but you raiders iknow more about that
VardaValar1: Had some faint hope that we might redeem Arthas at the end.
AriehnV: aye i thiunk Fordring had hoped for that too until the dark chapel
ArPharazonV: there are 3 5-mans, a 10-man and a 25-man
AriehnV: err dark cathedral
ArPharazonV: I've finished the 3 5-mans multiple times and have also dabbled in 10 and 25, killing the first boss in both
ArPharazonV: 10-man and 25-man are basically the same raidinstance but tuned for those amounts of players
VardaValar1: We've been running 5-mans on Lothar server.
VardaValar1: We generally take our team of a healer, tank, dps, and fill in a blank or two if we have one.
ArPharazonV: This is going to wear me out, I know it. 3 heroic instances to farm for the Battered Hilt for the Quel'delar questline, on top of that every day a random heroic dungeon to get frost emblems and to work on the pug-achievement...
ArPharazonV: and on top of that there's a raid most nights
AriehnV: nice , those new dungeons would be for high end gear i guess
VardaValar1: We've picked up some upgrades. : )
AriehnV: and you best take it slowly Phara
AriehnV: dont let it wear yoiu out :-)
ArPharazonV: well, I'm the main tank in our community. It's usually important that I get as many frost emblems as I can. But I can easy up on the 3 new heroics if needed, I'm sure the Hilt will be on the Auction House for ridiculous prices at some point.
AriehnV: they will find new ways of making money be sure
AriehnV: so it almost certainly will be
ArPharazonV: well, when I say main tank I mean one of the 3-4 main tanks
VardaValar1: Several of our Lothar group have multiple 80's, letting us switch roles around so we don't burn out so bad. Artano (Sauron) is usually our main tank though.
VardaValar1: And we added another guild-friend to the channel, Farquaad.
VardaValar1: You guys are able to switch out your types too, aren't you?
ArPharazonV: It's good to be a tank. The random pug-heroics are a lot easier when you are one. Basically you just need a decent healer and the instance is already a success
ArPharazonV: Me? oh, I've got dps in the same talent-spec, so that's viable... but I've got no other lvl 80 characters
VardaValar1: We are fortunate enough to have plenty of priests. :-)
AriehnV: ive got the 80 rogue on Ad , but working on the pali
AriehnV: went to 60 as dps
ArPharazonV: yes, but I actually mean the pugs for the achievement Varda, I usually go with 4 random people through the dungeon finder
AriehnV: will do to 70 as healer
AriehnV: and to 80 probably tank
VardaValar1: We also do that, but only generally add one or two to our pug achievement group.
AriehnV: see what works best and what i like best :-)
ArPharazonV: I'm working on my rogue now, for various reasons. He got level 30 this week and is on his way to Ravenholdt.
AriehnV: Findu is 61 and working up his inscription and resting up
AriehnV: but needs to make gold again now
ArPharazonV: and yeah, Varda, but the way I see it, with 4 pugs per group I'll only need to do 25 to get the pet ;-)
AriehnV: ok on to Lotro then and the rest wow for aftermeeting all right?
ArPharazonV: we still have a Tolkien-section!
AriehnV: we do but after Lotro :-)
ArPharazonV: ah, true, misunderstood
VardaValar1: LotRO: the new Mirkwood area is terrific, even though heavily played.
VardaValar1: The skirmishes are amazingly fun, better than we expected.
VardaValar1: Improvements were added across massive numbers of things all across the game.
VardaValar1: Earlier areas also got touch-ups.
VardaValar1: Tuesday we get hardware upgrades: new servers under the old names.
VardaValar1: The test on the hardware has already been run for Bullroarer, so the roll-out is Tuesday.
VardaValar1: We are seeing tons of Valarites coming in.
VardaValar1: Elemmire had to leave LotRO for a little while unexpectedly but plans to return as soon as she can.
VardaValar1: We had people reaching the level cap in a hurry by playing all the time: Pippin and Indis being the first ones.
VardaValar1: Others will be hitting it soon.
VardaValar1: I'm done. : )
AriehnV: my Arienwyn had some first try on one of the skirmish camp quests
AriehnV: but am so stuck with a lot of group quests or going into Dol Dinen
AriehnV: that i cant manage on my own
AriehnV: to get any further
VardaValar1: That is when you get with kin.
AriehnV: there is never anyone on when i was or they are busy in raids
VardaValar1: We backed up a batch of us to handle the book line for Finarfin in Carn Dum. You can do the same thing.
VardaValar1: We had to pick a time to do it.
AriehnV: och you know the best time for me to do that is on or after work on tuesday .. i ll be off on wednesday
AriehnV: or wednesday night
AriehnV: anyway she is not far of 34 now
VardaValar1: This coming Tuesday LotRO will be down most of the day for the hardware roll-out. We'll see what can be done, but Tuesday people will be playing catch-up.
VardaValar1: Wednesday looks better.
AriehnV: and nearly proficient in jewelcraftting , just needs to go back to the forsaken inn to be an expert which whill open up to work with gold and barren iron ore
AriehnV: err barrow iron ore
AriehnV: well you what i mean :-) and i ve got some recipecs for that proficiency
AriehnV: ok thats it from me , we can fix a time after the meeting Varda or in a side window
AriehnV: Tolkien : has anyone a topic?
ArPharazonV: must be harsh, really, playing on a US server being European, timezones and all that
VardaValar1: She tends to come in our afternoon.
AriehnV: i usually come in the late evening after a bit of wow
AriehnV: or before work
ArPharazonV: hmm, for you that's allright then, if you still have the time to play enough :-)
AriehnV: if noone has an idea for Tolkien section i had a thought :-)#
AriehnV: its not really ideal Phara but its the best i can manage :-)
VardaValar1: You could do particular days for WoW and then for LotRO?
VardaValar1: Must be hard to do both games the same days.
AriehnV: aye i tend to play whichever game , faction and class i feel like
AriehnV: sometimes its all three , sometimes just one or two :-)
AriehnV: might be healthier to set fixed days true enough .. but dont know whether i could get used to that to be honest :-)

VardaValar1: What was your Tolkien subject, Arien?
AriehnV: it was something that came to my mind at work .. , you know the way you keep your mind busy on some thing you really enjoy during a boring routine :-)
VardaValar1: Cool : )
AriehnV: i mentioned the graphic novel Ashbringer last week
AriehnV: and mulling over it i saw some frappant parallels
VardaValar1: frappant?
AriehnV: hmm astonishing
AriehnV: astonishing parallels
AriehnV: In the way that first a) the orb that felll in the middle of the battle out of nowhere
AriehnV: corrupted the Mograines
AriehnV: the way it destroyed the family .. and actually how the ring corrupts and works
VardaValar1: So both stories had an object that corrupted people.
AriehnV: aye and it was both objects of power that was obvious to recognise for those who could
AriehnV: and that both objects were really dark
VardaValar1: A gold ring?
AriehnV: well Gandalf knew from the story of the ring finding by Smeagol and how he became Go.llum
AriehnV: that it was a great ring and that it had some evil power that corrupeted its owner from the time of finding
VardaValar1: Oh, dark as in evil?
AriehnV: aye
AriehnV: sorry i am not very clear
VardaValar1: You are probably clear enough. I'm a little distracted.
AriehnV: Ah well the main point i was getting to was there certainly more parallels we can think of betwen Tolkien and wow
AriehnV: i dont think that you know that particular story good enough for a discussion
AriehnV: even tho it woould be intriguing :-)P
AriehnV: but Ar Pharazon is probably frozen in icecrown
AriehnV: and Tulkas distracted in Mirkwood
ArPharazonV: phew, parallels between Warcraft and Tolkien..
AriehnV: Fladrif gone trewish
VardaValar1: Tulkas is at work.
AriehnV: of course
ArPharazonV: nah I'm not gaming right now, just got caught up with a favorite webcomic of mine
VardaValar1: Tolkien's work influenced most of modern fantasy and gaming.
AriehnV: and varda is distracted .. we can actuallly mull over it and think it through for another meeitng
TulkasValar61: sorry back. I had to load my truck with a bunch of gear I need to deliver to a facility tommorow. the company truck I was going to use was unsafe with no tread on the tires.
VardaValar1: ugh
ArPharazonV: hmm, the Orcs originally started in Warcraft I as purely evil creatures, living for killing and destruction :-)
ArPharazonV: with a shadowy force driving them, and dissension in the ranks
VardaValar1: Arien, you were pointing out that the orb and ring were both corrupting objects for the peoples of the lands.
AriehnV: aye
ArPharazonV: So I guess that counts as a parallel with Tolkien ;-)
AriehnV: as an example for a parallel
VardaValar1: Anywhere you see orcs, generally you seen JRRT's influence. : )
VardaValar1: *see
ArPharazonV: True. He created them, I believe.
VardaValar1: And he brought back the long-unused idea of the heroic elves.
ArPharazonV: aye
ArPharazonV: what about dwarves?
ArPharazonV: did he come up with the "modern" concept?
VardaValar1: He got people using dwarves in stories again, mainly.
ArPharazonV: short but strong and durable fighters, loyal and persistent...
VardaValar1: JRRT brought the dwarves from their more Nordic versions.
VardaValar1: He brought back the elves from the aristocratic, trooping elves/fairies.
TulkasValar61: Dwarves were an old european idea, the original dwarves from the original (Grimm's??) fairy tale snow white were a lot more unsavory than disneys version
ArPharazonV: The typical fantasy Dwarf is, like the original Dwarves, short in stature, long-bearded and skilled at mining and metallurgy. They are often depicted as having a low affinity for most magical abilities and/or a resistance to magic. After Tolkien, the standard Dwarf has become similar to those of Germanic mythology.
ArPharazonV: that's from Wiki
AriehnV: i find it funny how Dwarves get a scottish accent in WoW and that was before The LotR films :-)
VardaValar1: I'd like to hear what you guys have to say. I can go read Wiki on my own. : )
ArPharazonV: WoW was not before the films, but I'm wondering when Warcraft II was released
VardaValar1: Nice bit though.
ArPharazonV: of course, Varda, but it seemed like some relevant information to expand on here
VardaValar1: In old Norse, Dwarves made magical objects.
VardaValar1: Aye, Phar.
AriehnV: which brings me back to The Ashbringer
AriehnV: just to keep that in mind
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karakedi25: aiya!
AriehnV: the orb that Lord Alexandros Mograine found was forged into a sword to be a weapon of light ..
ArPharazonV: Aiya Indis
VardaValar1: I need to go tend to my guests, but please feel free to keep going. : )
VardaValar1: Aiya Indis
TulkasValar61: Tolkiens books were written with an english accent, coneys and taters for example...Scottish or Irish is just a natural continuation of the idea
AriehnV: by a dwarf |King magni Bronzebeard hehe
AriehnV: but that reminds of the Nauglamir
karakedi25: sorry was helping Gorlim and Eomer with a skirmish, and the time got away from us
karakedi25: may I ask the topic?
AriehnV: the silmaril were forged in a neclace
AriehnV: We were talking about the influence Tolkien had on gaming and fantasy Indis , and more particular on World of Warcraft
ArPharazonV: except that the silmaril was not exactly an object of corruption (though dangerous to touch)
ArPharazonV: the necklace was made by the dwarves though, so that's a parallel
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ArPharazonV: the Ring was never quite used as a weapon by the good side though (though some people would have wished it otherwise)
ArPharazonV: I'm not very knowledgeable about the story of Ashbringer, but the blade has played a huge part in the fight against the Lich King
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karakedi25: sorry, I keep getting disconnected :-(
AriehnV: ah Indis :-(
karakedi25: I know nothing about WoW, but in Neverwinter Nights, there are elves, dwarves, halflings, orcs and goblins.
karakedi25: And it lends itself to Tolkien-oriented persistent worlds (NWN that is)
AriehnV: We have elves , dwarves , orcs and goblins in wow :-)
ArPharazonV: halflings? I know WoW features gnomes but they're not exactly comparable
AriehnV: so thats enogugh hehe
karakedi25: no, there are halflings
karakedi25: in Neverwinter Nights
ArPharazonV: I'm not denying it :-)
ArPharazonV: just expanding the parallel
karakedi25: I play in a MIddle Earth world, and it's very friendly to making a Tolkien world, one quite faithful to lore
ArPharazonV: I know D&D features halflings though
karakedi25: NWN is D&D baded
ArPharazonV: ..beside gnomes
karakedi25: *based
AriehnV: i dont think its really interesting for people who dont know wow and i brought it only up since there were only folks on which knew both
AriehnV: but do feel free to extend the parallels with fantasy or games you know Indis :-)
karakedi25: was there any discussion of the roleplay?
ArPharazonV: not yet
AriehnV: No not yet
AriehnV: and Menelvagor is missing
AriehnV: Eonwe as well and varda has guests
ArPharazonV: so we'd best leave it be this week
ArPharazonV: I don't think I've even checked it this week
ArPharazonV: there's never enough time for the things you want to do
ArPharazonV: all we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us...
TulkasValar61: Well I will see you all next Sunday if at all possible...I work from 8 am to 8 pm which covers meeting time, that being said i will see you if I am not too busy:-)
ArPharazonV: namarie Tulkas
AriehnV: Namarie Tulkas :-)
AriehnV: i see that Frali is ready to wake up
AriehnV: and Auros has brought Estarion asore
AriehnV: ashore
AriehnV: but i agree that we best leave rp for this weak

AriehnV: and call it aftermeeting :-)
AriehnV: *bangs gavel*#
AriehnV: feel free as usual to hang around and remark and discuss anything you like :-) , we are family
ArPharazonV: I'll save and send then, it's time for sleeps
ArPharazonV (5:54:45 PM): saved
AriehnV (5:55:25 PM): all right Namarie all :-)
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karakedi25 (5:56:17 PM): Glad I could make it for a little of the meeting.
karakedi25 (5:56:22 PM): Namarie, meldor
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ArPharazonV (5:58:48 PM): and sent
ArPharazonV (5:58:57 PM): Namarie all!
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