ArPharazonV: you never see them when artificial lights are near, even it it's just a lamppost somewhere
AriehnV: well worth seeing Phara :-) , you can do that in the netherlands as well :-)
Eonwe Valar: Aye.
ArPharazonV: well I've never really come across a place without artificial lights so maybe I just live too urban ;-)
AriehnV: err lifts up the i mean , not at all in the sense of Morgoth
Eonwe Valar: I
live far enough away from the city that I can get a decent night sky,
but not so far that I have to drive a long distance to get somewhere.
AriehnV: lifts up spirit and heart
Eonwe Valar: Would
anyone like to delve into another Tolkien topic, shall we give a couple
of minutes to the RP
, or shall we move into After-meeting?
AriehnV: After meeting i d suggest , since the other rpers are not here at the mo
AriehnV: Varda was the last poster after Frali
Eonwe Valar: I think the question was whether it was Frali or Estarion that would slip and fall,.. or was that question resolved?
AriehnV: i suggested that Frali would be the one
AriehnV: he is youngest , clumsiest , the most inexperienced
AriehnV: and he is tired and a bit fed up
Eonwe Valar: Fair enough.
AriehnV: he feels really awkward amongst all the elves poor boy
Eonwe Valar: Ah,
that's right, last week it was mentioned that the horses tearing up the
riverbank would make it slick and muddy, a prime place to slip in.
AriehnV: sounds good
Eonwe Valar: I've been trying to envision where Auros would be during all this. Doesn't seem to me he'd be near the riverbank.
Eonwe Valar: Not if he had time to get clear, anyway.
AriehnV: would Auros be the first one to cross actually and Frali stay behind to watch the rear?
Eonwe Valar: Auros is watching the horses on the Halls side of the river, Meren on the opposite side.
Eonwe Valar: Fainan and Calion manning the boat.
AriehnV: ah right yeah i forgot , and Frali is there to assist Auros
Eonwe Valar: Horses would go across before Auros.
AriehnV: in case of any attack
Eonwe Valar: Anyway, I suppose we can let that be for now, or take up the discussion in the discussion thread.
Eonwe Valar: *bangs gavel*
Eonwe Valar: Aftermeeting:
ArPharazonV: sorry, was afk for a bit
i forgot to mention i bought a complete guide to elvish
sindarin and quenia linguistic research with grammar m alphabets and
ArPharazonV: I thought Auros was going to be one of the last to cross over
ArPharazonV: oh, cool
Eonwe Valar: Congrats :}
AriehnV: its a german one i fear , but the Author is Helmut W. Pesch
Eonwe Valar: And Auros is going to be one of the last.
Eonwe Valar: I've got a minor in german, so there's a chance I could understand some of it :}
AriehnV: i think he is a co editor of the Robert Foster Guide to Middleearth
ArPharazonV: well my language is somewhat related to German but I was never very good at it
Eonwe Valar: Cool.
ArPharazonV: I could probably figure out some words I might still remember but not much
AriehnV: as far as i could see he used mainly Tolkiens own resources and one other
Eonwe Valar: Cool.
aye it was quite fascinating to read the linguistic part .. it was a
bit boring , to see how the languages develloped and such
AriehnV: but still enlightening
AriehnV: two small appendices about khuzdul and orcish/ the black language
AriehnV: just to add for completion sake in the script
AriehnV: Title:"Das Grosse Elbisch Buch
", by Helmut W. Pesch , published in Bastei Luebbe Verlag
Eonwe Valar: The Big Elvish Book
, hehe :}
ArPharazonV: or the fat elvish book :-)
Eonwe Valar: :}
AriehnV: Hehe aye ^^
AriehnV: ah well i ll let you off boys :-) i ll see you next week :-) and may be Phara sometime online
ArPharazonV: hmm, looking back over the meeting it may be so that while alliance and horde are indeed in the same battlegroup
Eonwe Valar: Take care Arien :}
ArPharazonV: you always face a different battlegroup instead
ArPharazonV: Namarie Arien
AriehnV: so actually could we meet?
ArPharazonV: would still mean we couldn't meet, no
AriehnV: cool :-)
ArPharazonV: because the battlegroup I'd face is not the one you're in
ArPharazonV: maybe battlegroups are paired up these days
AriehnV: i am glad we are not on opposite sides in a bg :-)
Eonwe Valar: Usually
battlegroups are the groups of realms pitted against one another. I
assume if it's different from that you could find out on the WoW
community page for your area.
ArPharazonV: it would be the main way of meeting each other though, unless maybe we pass each other in Dalaran
Eonwe Valar: They do have battlegroups listing somewhere in there that are bound to have such info.
ArPharazonV: yes, Eonwe, but the groups I always get on Alliance are different from the ones we face as alliance with them being horde
AriehnV: I thin mine are in Cyclone now
ArPharazonV: and I don't run into horde from my own server
ArPharazonV: but I can't be sure, that might have changed again recently
pallandovalar has entered the room.
ArPharazonV: maybe that was only temporary
AriehnV: i lll check the armory
ArPharazonV: best way to check would be to go into a bg
ArPharazonV: if I do that this week I'll let you know ;-)
Eonwe Valar: :}
Eonwe Valar: Ok :}
WoW expansion storyline:
Eonwe Valar: Heya Pallando.
ArPharazonV: Aiya Pallando
AriehnV: Aiya Pallando :-)
AriehnV: err Cataclysm
Eonwe Valar: That's what the rumor-mill is saying the next expansion is called.
Eonwe Valar: Er, you mean the battlegroup, pardon.
AriehnV: lol thats the Battlegroup Kerridys (formerly Justicia) and Darkaria are in
ArPharazonV: "cataclysm" seems a bit odd for an expansion name, might just be a working title
AriehnV: I like the story line tho , a young colleague told me this morning
AriehnV: makes actually sense
Eonwe Valar: Thrall shouldn't be the Guardian of Tirisfal.
ArPharazonV: nor should Malfurion have anything to do with the guardians of Tirisfal
AriehnV: Garrosh is a bit less than stable .. he attacked Thrall
ArPharazonV: Garrosh is going to have Cairne killed as a traitor
Eonwe Valar: No one who isn't a high Elf/Blood Elf or human mage should have anything to do with the ORder of Tirisfal.
AriehnV: so i heard
Eonwe Valar: That's part of the rumour, aye.
AriehnV: but if Malfurion wants to heal the rift .. , i understand it sounds a bit iffy tho
AriehnV: the last Guardians were posessed by Sargeras
Eonwe Valar: Thrall leaving the Horde in Garrosh's hands isn't a smart move either for an orc who claims he wants peace.
ArPharazonV: "Now behave while I'm gone, Garrosh..."
AriehnV: he is the only one tho who has a bloodline honorable enough
ArPharazonV: "Yeah yeah... (right)"
Eonwe Valar: Medivh
was possessed by Sargeras, aye, but then at the end of WC3 after he
amends his actions by uniting peoples of Azeroth against the Burning
Legion, he states the world no longer has a need for "Guardians."
I also heard about a son of Garona and Medivh in some literature
(becoming awfully soap-ish if you ask me) who was supposed to have
AriehnV: hmmphh ok
AriehnV: , grin aye , i thought she was after Kadgar ?
Eonwe Valar: Either
way, though, the Order of Tirisfal was set up by the mageocracy to
fight the demons that rampant use of magic allowed into the world,
empowering one of their own with great power to fight demons that would
normally take a group of mages to kill.
ArPharazonV: hmm, odd lik
AriehnV: ah well never mind ^^ they will smooth it out i guess by the time its ripe for official end results
Eonwe Valar: Aye,
apparently Garona, who is half orc/half draenei, has a son by Medivh,
who is thus half human, one quarter orc, and one quarter draenei.
ArPharazonV: there we go
Eonwe Valar: He
is supposedly a powerful mage, and will also learn the ways of the
light (conveniently) from his uncle, who is a Draenei Vindicator.
ArPharazonV: the order of Tirisfal was founded to battle demons, indeed..
ArPharazonV: not Naga and the Black Dragonflight as the expansion claims Thrall's role to be
Eonwe Valar: By mages, not shaman, paladins, druids, or whatever hodgepodge of "magic" users that wants to get together.
Eonwe Valar: It was specifically arcane magic that was the problem.
Eonwe Valar: The
High Elves had runestones to shield their magic use to some degree.
Once humans were taught magic, however, things got a little less
AriehnV: ah fascinating .. hence the warlocks there
Eonwe Valar: As unlikable as some would find it, Rhonin being Guardian of Tirisfal would make more sense lorewise than Thrall.
AriehnV: anyway i need to get upstairs before my typing or reasoning becomes somewhat unconrolled ^^
Eonwe Valar: Well,
warlocks are delving in what the mageocracy of Dalaran would consider
forbidden magics (fel magic). Arcane magic is addictive, but not
necessarily evil of itself.
Eonwe Valar: Hehe. Sleep well :}
AriehnV: Namarie :-)
AriehnV has left the room.
ArPharazonV: hmm, what's Vereesa's story, anyway? wasn't she connected to Rhonin? never read that book
Eonwe Valar: I'm not fond of "Tauren Paladins" either. I'm not convinced. Tauren would give up their religion for the Light.
ArPharazonV: we have both elven druids and priests though
Eonwe Valar: Vereesa Windrunnner?
Eonwe Valar: Night Elf Priests follow Elune.
ArPharazonV: yep, the youngest of the 3 Windrunner siblings
Eonwe Valar: Same mechanics for ease of programming, but a separate religion from the Light.
ArPharazonV: so tauren priests could be done, but not paladins?
Eonwe Valar: Paladins specifically follow the Light.
Eonwe Valar: Priests are not so specific.
Eonwe Valar: Well, Vereesa is another of the problems many people have with Rhonin, a reason they call him a Mary-Sue.
ArPharazonV: well, he kinda was, probably
ArPharazonV: then again, wasn't Thrall?
Eonwe Valar: She
apparently dislikes humans, but somehow, he manages not only to
convince her humans are ok, but wins her heart, and then they proceed
to have twins, which are extremely rare in the cases of human/elf
ArPharazonV: hmmm, lucky him
Eonwe Valar: The
people who vehemently hate Rhonin could explain why they hate him
better than I :} I'm not really committed for or against him.
Eonwe Valar: It's
basically a list of these amazing things he somehow manages to get/do
that are rare or exceptional that make people consider him a Mary Sue.
Plus, apparently Knaak has red hair, and so does Rhonin.
Eonwe Valar: I've never seen a picture of Knaak, so I can't vouch for that.
ArPharazonV: hmm... Rhonin somehow got involved in that little conflict 10000 years ago, wasn't he?
Eonwe Valar: Richard Knaak is the guy who created Rhonin.
ArPharazonV: now that's a reason to hate him
ArPharazonV: yeah, I heard his name
ArPharazonV: not in positive context
Eonwe Valar: Yep, War of the Ancients, where he managed to be the most powerful mage there.
Eonwe Valar: That
he would be powerful that close to the Well of Eternity made sense to
me. Mages in the current time are used to drawing upon whatever
energies from the Well are lingering in the atmosphere. He was standing
next to that power in its pure form.
ArPharazonV: hmm, all I can find of him on the internet is black and white pictures, so... yeah
Eonwe Valar: What does seem a little *too* much though is that apparently he taught Illidan.
Eonwe Valar: Another "too much" moment would be that a lone orc managed to tear through an army of demons and stab Sargeras in the foot.
ArPharazonV: Again. Hah.
ArPharazonV: it does seem a bit over the top, yes
Eonwe Valar: with an axe made of wood given to him by Cenarius. (or stab him, pretty sure it was the foot)
Eonwe Valar: And of course, Tyrande befriends this orc.
ArPharazonV: of course
Eonwe Valar: That should give you an idea of why there are alot of people who don't like Knaak's writing.
ArPharazonV: wouldn't we then expect her in Warcraft 3 to go "Oh, these greenskins, they look vaguely familiar...."
Eonwe Valar: Yeah, pretty much. Same with Cenarius.
Eonwe Valar: "Hey guys. We've seen your kind before. How can we help you? By the way, please quit chopping down our sacred groves."
Eonwe Valar: "We'll show you how to getthe lumber without killing the tree." :}
ArPharazonV: you think the ancestral spirits would work for them?
ArPharazonV: well, maybe to conserve the tree
Eonwe Valar: Aye.
Eonwe Valar: *If* tyrande had met a "good orc" long ago, I think she'd remember they could be dealt with reasonably.
ArPharazonV: well 10000 years is a long time to forget someone
Eonwe Valar: Then
again, we're talking about the same person who thought Illidan could be
trusted over the better judgement of his own brother.
ArPharazonV: that too
ArPharazonV: he did end up saving her life though in Frozen Throne!
Eonwe Valar: Yeah, after absorbing the skull of Gul'dan and pledging himself to Kil'Jaden.
Eonwe Valar: *Kil'Jaeden.
ArPharazonV: ehh, details
Eonwe Valar: Take care Fladrif.
fladrifv: sorry for being a bit afk today
ArPharazonV: no matter, you can talk about the values your character represents next week!
Eonwe Valar: :}
fladrifv has left the room.
ArPharazonV: saving and sending
Eonwe Valar: Ok Phar.