Valar Guild

April 26, 2009 Meeting

5pm EST (GMT - 5); (GMT = 22:00?)
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Ar-Pharazon and Varda

Attending: (6)
    AriehnV, ArPharazonV, Fladrifv, Indis-(V)/karakedi25, Luthien-(V)/luthienathariel, VardaValar1 (presiding)

Meeting begins
    New Full Member Indis-(V) said her "few words", which started discussions including Tolkien and Asterix comics.
    Backlogged but watch later today (or tomorrow depending on time zone) for Indis' haikus which were being added at meeting time.
       Chess tournament
       Red Alert 3
       World of Goo
       Armadillo Run
    Text rp's.
    Luthien-(T)'s Valinor opensim work, leading to Tolkien chat.

[Note: Times in CDT, add one hour for EDT]
VardaValar1 (2:26:58 PM) has entered the room.
karakedi25 (2:27:52 PM) has entered the room.
karakedi25 (2:27:57 PM): yay!
VardaValar1 (2:28:03 PM): Aiya!
VardaValar1 (2:28:37 PM): Did you put karakedi25 on the screen name or the nickname?
VardaValar1 (2:28:42 PM): Screen name should show up.
karakedi25 (2:28:59 PM): it's my screen name, in case I want to interact in other groups.
VardaValar1 (2:29:18 PM): Then you will display that.
karakedi25 (2:29:36 PM): I did set Indis as my nickname, for whatever good it does
karakedi25 (2:30:29 PM) has left the room.
VardaValar1 (2:30:30 PM): We can ask during the meeting.
karakedi25 (3:06:43 PM) has entered the room.
ArPharazonV (3:56:21 PM) has entered the room.
VardaValar1 (4:02:23 PM): Aiya Phar!
ArPharazonV (4:02:42 PM): aiya!
ArPharazonV (4:02:50 PM): hunting some eggs in Kharanos atm
ArPharazonV (4:02:56 PM): (well, camping eggs is more like it)
karakedi25 (4:03:23 PM): Aiye! (Indis-V here)
VardaValar1 (4:03:38 PM): WoW-ite, our Phar. : )
ArPharazonV (4:03:46 PM): :)
VardaValar1 (4:03:50 PM): Good luck scrambling those eggs!
ArPharazonV (4:04:00 PM): they're chocolate!
karakedi25 (4:04:02 PM): That's a WoW place/quest?
karakedi25 (4:04:06 PM): oooh chocolate!
ArPharazonV (4:04:12 PM): WoW holiday
ArPharazonV (4:04:21 PM): find eggs, loot them, get stuff
ArPharazonV (4:04:29 PM): sometimes, do stuff with the stuff
ArPharazonV (4:04:37 PM): get achievements
ArPharazonV (4:04:40 PM): go home :)
VardaValar1 (4:04:42 PM): *urge to pull up WoW* hehe
karakedi25 (4:04:43 PM): like LotRO's tokens exchanged for gift boxes?
VardaValar1 (4:06:12 PM): We kill things in LotRO during the 2 year anniversary this week, and some drop tokens we exchange for gift boxes.
ArPharazonV (4:06:31 PM): sounds similar
karakedi25 (4:06:31 PM): the contents of which vary from pedestrian to rather good
arwenv1 (4:06:32 PM) has been invited.
mjkeenan1234 (4:06:32 PM) has been invited.
gelondil2 (4:06:50 PM) has been invited.
narthais (4:06:50 PM) has been invited.
austeinm (4:07:10 PM) has been invited
VardaValar1 (4:08:27 PM): Fladrif still on his Death Knight?
ArPharazonV (4:09:32 PM): aye, I joined him with my own for a few minutes last night, saw him ding 60
ArPharazonV (4:09:49 PM): but I was too far behind myself, he'd been questing a bit while mine was doing nothing
VardaValar1 (4:10:01 PM): Slacker. : )
ArPharazonV (4:10:04 PM): so when Noblegarden had started and we were pretty divided...
ArPharazonV (4:10:11 PM): we decided to split up and let me hunt eggs
ArPharazonV (4:10:57 PM): oh, and got my motorbike this afternoon ;)
VardaValar1 (4:11:08 PM): Dark out, or you'd be on it? : )
VardaValar1 (4:11:20 PM): Congrats on the wheels!
ArPharazonV (4:12:39 PM): 13500 gold in total, not bad
VardaValar1 (4:12:50 PM): Ah, in-game motorbike.
karakedi25 (4:13:05 PM): sounds like an anachronism in WoW
ArPharazonV (4:13:09 PM): yah :)
ArPharazonV (4:13:14 PM): well
ArPharazonV (4:13:16 PM): there's guns
ArPharazonV (4:13:17 PM): and cannons
ArPharazonV (4:13:20 PM): and tanks
ArPharazonV (4:13:24 PM): and helicopters
VardaValar1 (4:13:24 PM): WoW is solidly loaded with mixed time stuff.
ArPharazonV (4:13:27 PM): and even a spaceship
karakedi25 (4:13:35 PM): hmmm
ArPharazonV (4:13:38 PM): it's a bit anachronic (diachronic?) in some respects
karakedi25 (4:13:44 PM): anachronistic
VardaValar1 (4:13:44 PM): Anachronistic.
ArPharazonV (4:13:57 PM): anachronistic, right
karakedi25 (4:13:59 PM): diachronic means over time, as in historical linguistics
karakedi25 (4:14:11 PM): synchronic is at a single time
VardaValar1 (4:15:04 PM): So LotRO is diachronic? We follow the Fellowship over time.
karakedi25 (4:15:33 PM): yes, in a way, though over a limited period of time (until the end of the War of the Ring, presumably)
VardaValar1 (4:16:10 PM): There is some talk that if it remains profitable, they could continue after the War of the Ring into Harad and run into the Blue Wizard cults.
VardaValar1 (4:16:24 PM): Or maybe add them during, since they were going at the same time.
karakedi25 (4:16:31 PM): from a language point of view, it's less than a year, so there would be too few language changes to have a history, so generally it would be synchronic
karakedi25 (4:16:44 PM): that would be interesting, but wildly speculative
VardaValar1 (4:16:44 PM): Ok, synchronic it is.
VardaValar1 (4:16:50 PM): True.
VardaValar1 (4:17:16 PM): Forochel has more to work with, but an awful lot of speculation.
karakedi25 (4:17:18 PM): besides, in the Fourth Age, there wouldn't be many elves around
ArPharazonV (4:17:24 PM): synchronic/diachronic is language-based?
karakedi25 (4:17:26 PM): I like what they did with Forochel
karakedi25 (4:17:34 PM): I know them from linguistics
VardaValar1 (4:18:02 PM): Arien says she'll be coming in shortly.
karakedi25 (4:18:16 PM): figuring out the Finnish place names was fun
VardaValar1 (4:18:21 PM): AriehnV: aiya i am coming asap still in st class quest rogue
VardaValar1 (4:19:02 PM): You still have that somewhere in notes? That could go on the Forum under LotRO.
ArPharazonV (4:19:03 PM): (st is sunken temple, by the way)
VardaValar1 (4:19:08 PM): Thanks, Phar. : )
ArPharazonV (4:19:39 PM): hey, useful for the non-wowers ;)
VardaValar1 (4:20:00 PM): Right!
VardaValar1 (4:20:21 PM): Drag Flad in here when you get a chance. : )  He needs to meet Indis!
ArPharazonV (4:20:59 PM): not online in WoW, MSN or AIM that I can tell
ArPharazonV (4:21:12 PM): can tell his girlfriend on MSN (she's away though) to send him in if you like?
VardaValar1 (4:21:13 PM): Thanks for checking.
VardaValar1 (4:21:40 PM): Might mention we'd like to see him, nothing pushy. : )
ArPharazonV (4:25:58 PM): he should be coming to join us soon
VardaValar1 (4:26:39 PM): Very good.
VardaValar1 (4:30:29 PM): Indis is trying an experiment on her name, going to disconnect and try it.
karakedi25 (4:31:07 PM): back as one name or another, I hope
karakedi25 (4:31:14 PM) has left the room.
VardaValar1 (4:34:37 PM): AriehnV: lol i told them to kiill all dragons before rani but they were too fast haaha
AriehnV: thank goodnes our healer has an ankh grin
Fladrifv (4:34:46 PM) has entered the room.
VardaValar1 (4:34:57 PM): Fladrif, aiya!
Fladrifv (4:35:05 PM): Aiya
ArPharazonV (4:35:07 PM): aiya Flad :)
Fladrifv (4:35:09 PM): where is everyone?
VardaValar1 (4:35:19 PM): Arien is coming, so is Indis
VardaValar1 (4:35:23 PM): Good question
ArPharazonV (4:35:43 PM): I think the age of the internet has seen its best years *nod*
Fladrifv (4:36:19 PM): *been carying around trees whole day* so yes
VardaValar1 (4:37:17 PM): indisv: OK, I'm in the aol site and have the Valar group, but I can't chat in a group from it
VardaValar1: Aiya!
indisv: and aim won't let me make a new screen name in the aim program
Fladrifv (4:38:24 PM): tell him to use pidgin
Fladrifv (4:38:31 PM): skip the horrors of aim :)
ArPharazonV (4:38:56 PM): him? *gasp*
Fladrifv (4:39:08 PM): her?
ArPharazonV (4:39:09 PM): wait, Indis *is* a female name, right?
VardaValar1 (4:39:18 PM): Aye, she's a lady.
Fladrifv (4:39:29 PM): oh he is a lady, Im sorry Indis
AriehnV (4:39:36 PM) has entered the room.
Fladrifv (4:39:41 PM): ok tell her to use pidgin
VardaValar1 (4:39:42 PM): Aiya Arien : )
Fladrifv (4:39:44 PM):
Fladrifv (4:39:53 PM): Aiya keeper of the sun
AriehnV (4:39:54 PM): aiya all :-)
VardaValar1 (4:39:57 PM): When she comes back as the other name, we'll work with her on that.
AriehnV (4:40:14 PM): sorry for the late arrival
Fladrifv (4:40:30 PM): are you a wizzard nowadays ariehn?
VardaValar1 (4:40:34 PM): Glad you came. : )
VardaValar1 (4:40:51 PM): Always arrives exactly when she means to. ;-)
AriehnV (4:40:59 PM): hehe no i am not .. if i were i d never be late .. they alwes come when they mean to grin
VardaValar1 (4:41:09 PM): hehe
Fladrifv (4:41:26 PM): they never accept it from this tree....
VardaValar1 (4:41:43 PM): You suggested it, ent. : )
Fladrifv (4:42:02 PM): aye and I told my work many times but they refuse :)
karakedi25 (4:42:02 PM) has been invited.
Invitation result for buddy karakedi25 : karakedi25 is busy.
karakedi25 (4:42:03 PM) has entered the room.
AriehnV (4:42:07 PM): a tree has roots .. guess they take time to pull out every time
VardaValar1 (4:42:15 PM): Yay, you made it in, Indis!
karakedi25 (4:42:16 PM): aiye meldor
VardaValar1 (4:42:23 PM): Aiya, meldo. : )
AriehnV (4:42:29 PM): Aiya Meldo :-)
karakedi25 (4:42:30 PM): but still with the black cat name
VardaValar1 (4:42:42 PM): Good enough so we can work with you.
Fladrifv (4:42:45 PM): Aiya karaindiskedi
karakedi25 (4:43:01 PM): :-)
AriehnV (4:43:26 PM): 8-)
VardaValar1 (4:43:57 PM): Fladrif, you suggested using Pidgin?
Fladrifv (4:44:06 PM): *nod*
Fladrifv (4:44:17 PM): I use it atleast
AriehnV (4:44:26 PM): whats pidgin?
VardaValar1 (4:44:31 PM): Anyone know how to do another name on AIM?
Fladrifv (4:44:35 PM): not that that makes it a better program bus has been stable to me
VardaValar1 (4:44:36 PM): A program.
VardaValar1 (4:44:59 PM): There's a way to make linked screen names on AIM, but I don't know it.
AriehnV (4:45:06 PM): on the main site there should be a button *get screenname*
karakedi25 (4:45:42 PM): it said I'm ineligible to get another screen name
VardaValar1 (4:46:06 PM): Screen name format, lets you add spaces and stuff.
VardaValar1 (4:46:33 PM): Can't change letters or numbers.
Fladrifv (4:46:36 PM): unfortunate doesnt aim has a nickname function or?
VardaValar1 (4:46:44 PM): Yes, it does.
Fladrifv (4:46:45 PM): or is it already taken?
karakedi25 (4:46:51 PM): I know IRC lets you change your name in a chatroom
VardaValar1 (4:47:02 PM): How do you get the nickname to show instead of the screen name?
Fladrifv (4:47:06 PM) has left the room.
karakedi25 (4:47:33 PM): I have Indis as my nickname and my display name, but I can't get them to show up
fladrifv (4:48:02 PM) has been invited.
Fladrifv (4:48:06 PM) has entered the room.
VardaValar1 (4:48:10 PM): Aiyata
Fladrifv (4:48:15 PM): aiyata
VardaValar1 (4:48:24 PM): VardaValar1: How do you get the nickname to show instead of the screen name?
Fladrifv has left the room.
karakedi25: I have Indis as my nickname and my display name, but I can't get them to show up
Fladrifv (4:48:28 PM): ok that didnt help now its only here that my name is fladrif without v
karakedi25 (4:48:44 PM): that's all I need. How did you do that?
VardaValar1 (4:48:45 PM): I see you with a v still.
karakedi25 (4:48:51 PM): so do I
ArPharazonV (4:48:55 PM): yep
ArPharazonV (4:49:03 PM): as well as the buddylist
karakedi25 (4:49:22 PM): the only thing I can think of is to ditch this account and make a new one under Indis V
karakedi25 (4:49:33 PM): but then I'm Indis V to everyone I deal with in AIM
Fladrifv (4:49:57 PM): or have both
Fladrifv (4:50:09 PM): you can be online with more then one
VardaValar1 (4:50:09 PM): You would rather be karakedi25 for everyone you deal with in AIM?
ArPharazonV (4:50:18 PM): maybe you should try contacting Pallando, I know he's online with 3 screennames when he's online
AriehnV (4:50:20 PM): make two accounts ? one u use for Valar meetings and one for general?
VardaValar1 (4:50:22 PM): Pallando comes in here under three names at once.
Fladrifv (4:50:37 PM): make and use two at the same time
VardaValar1 (4:51:07 PM): Other choice is to come here as karakedi25 and not worry about it.
VardaValar1 (4:51:35 PM): Bombur-V often comes as MrMonkey2000blah
VardaValar1 (4:51:53 PM): We can deal with it. : )
Fladrifv (4:52:07 PM): aha so that is bombur! ;)
VardaValar1 (4:52:27 PM): Eomer comes as iwf519, which I have an even worse time with. : )
karakedi25 (4:52:46 PM): Not sure how to make a second AIM account, as it said I couldn't make a new screen name
VardaValar1 (4:52:48 PM): Use the Membership list to help decode these names and then edit a note into the AIM name.
ArPharazonV (4:53:05 PM): MyCantalopeH8tsU is still my favorite
karakedi25 (4:53:11 PM): let's stick with this for now, and I can  fiddle later
VardaValar1 (4:53:11 PM): lol
ArPharazonV (4:53:12 PM): closely followed by MrMonkey
ArPharazonV (4:53:27 PM): Gamatzgamatz is also nice
AriehnV (4:53:30 PM): hehe who is that?
AriehnV (4:53:35 PM): mr Canta?
ArPharazonV (4:53:37 PM): cantalope is Dior
ArPharazonV (4:53:45 PM): Gamatz is Thranduil
VardaValar1 (4:53:46 PM): Dior is Cantalope
AriehnV (4:53:52 PM): *gg* ok
ArPharazonV (4:53:55 PM): according to my buddy comments
VardaValar1 (4:54:20 PM): When they come a lot, we don't have to check the comments. Not so bad.
VardaValar1 (4:54:44 PM): Let's get started, an hour late nearly.

VardaValar1 (4:54:58 PM): Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo!
ArPharazonV (4:55:04 PM): I also have a hoenoefoeloeboej, not sure if he's Valar, got no comment..
VardaValar1 (4:55:19 PM): I don't know that one at all, Phar.
VardaValar1 (4:55:24 PM): Membership:
ArPharazonV (4:55:34 PM): then he must be from somewhere else
VardaValar1 (4:56:01 PM): Our new member this week is Indis-(V), from LotRO.
VardaValar1 (4:56:44 PM): Indis, we have a custom of calling on people at their first AIM meeting to "say a few words" to introduce themselves, such as how they came across us and what they are willing to tell.
VardaValar1 (4:56:57 PM): This is your turn!
karakedi25 (4:58:29 PM): I came across the guild in a link in the LotRO forum and checked it out. I liked what I saw, and so I wrote to Varda. Then we connected in LotRO.
karakedi25 (4:59:11 PM): She got me invited to a raid group in Moria, and we had quite a good time getting killed :-)
VardaValar1 (4:59:17 PM): lol
karakedi25 (4:59:35 PM): then she gave me the LotR test, and apparently I passed
VardaValar1 (4:59:49 PM): (We also killed the boss, won the raid.)
karakedi25 (4:59:54 PM): I've been a Tolkien fan since I was 13 and introduced to the first two books...
karakedi25 (5:00:07 PM): RotK wasn't published yet
karakedi25 (5:00:16 PM): and I got it as soon as it came out!
karakedi25 (5:00:29 PM): read LotR annually for about 10 years
VardaValar1 (5:00:31 PM): ow, to have to wait.
karakedi25 (5:00:53 PM): and then later discovered the Silmarillion, which I really like a lot...
karakedi25 (5:01:17 PM): and from there, on to HoME, UT, and Tolkien's marvelous Letters
karakedi25 (5:01:20 PM): and his bio
karakedi25 (5:01:49 PM): I'm particularly interested in his extraordinary work with his languages--a truly amazing achievement
karakedi25 (5:02:01 PM): but I also find elven culture and history of great interest
karakedi25 (5:02:24 PM): I confess to a certain sympathy with the Noldor, as a 'heady' sort myself...
karakedi25 (5:02:33 PM): though not with Feanor's corruption of them
VardaValar1 (5:03:06 PM): Always one bad egg. Too bad he was so charismatic.
karakedi25 (5:03:16 PM): indeed, but of course, Melkor got to him
karakedi25 (5:03:29 PM): otherwise, he might have made more constructive contributions and no rebellion
VardaValar1 (5:03:59 PM): And yet he hated Melkor.
karakedi25 (5:04:01 PM): what else can I tell you?
karakedi25 (5:04:21 PM): yes, especially after Melkor killed his father and took his Silmarili
VardaValar1 (5:04:22 PM): Is Tolkien what influenced you to go into Linguistics?
karakedi25 (5:04:47 PM): could have been part of it, though I think Latin played an even greater part--I loved Latin
ArPharazonV (5:05:04 PM): past tense? :)
karakedi25 (5:05:27 PM): haven't studied Latin for more years than I want to say :-)
luthienathariel (5:05:45 PM) has been invited.
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Fladrifv (5:05:55 PM): what makes latin so special?
luthienathariel (5:06:13 PM): Suilad, phain in mellyn :)
karakedi25 (5:06:28 PM): Suilad
karakedi25 (5:07:03 PM): Latin was my first foreign language, and so it introduced me to a whole new world of entertainment and intellectual stimulation
VardaValar1 (5:07:16 PM): Suilad, Luthien : )
VardaValar1 (5:07:33 PM): I can say that about Latin too, Indis. ;-)
Fladrifv (5:07:46 PM): Aiya Luth, (I must confess i never read latin)
luthienathariel (5:07:47 PM): (btw , should have been _mellyn in phain_)
luthienathariel (5:08:09 PM): I did latin for 3 yrs at school
ArPharazonV (5:08:45 PM): aiya Luth :)
ArPharazonV (5:09:07 PM): I could've done Latin at Gymnasium level, but decided to go one step lower so never had Latin...
ArPharazonV (5:09:35 PM): seems like an interesting language though, did one short course in it for a few months somewhere during my second or third year of high school
VardaValar1 (5:09:59 PM): Tolkien likened Quenya to Latin as the language once used but more or less lost except for in writing.
luthienathariel (5:10:02 PM): I did Greek too for a year but I dropped that b/c you only could do 7 topics
ArPharazonV (5:10:04 PM): hah, first time I've thought about that in years

luthienathariel (5:11:35 PM): and of course, there is Asterix ... :)
ArPharazonV (5:11:55 PM): hehe
ArPharazonV (5:12:05 PM): odd fellows, those Romans...
VardaValar1 (5:12:05 PM): I have no idea what Asterix is.
ArPharazonV (5:12:14 PM): Asterix is a comic
luthienathariel (5:12:16 PM): it's a french comic
VardaValar1 (5:12:21 PM): Thanks : )
ArPharazonV (5:12:22 PM): mostly known from France up to the Netherlands
luthienathariel (5:12:23 PM): about the Galois
karakedi25 (5:12:27 PM): French comic, set among the Vikings, I thought
ArPharazonV (5:12:34 PM): nope, in Gaul
karakedi25 (5:12:46 PM): :-)
Fladrifv (5:12:46 PM): little bit earlier then that
ArPharazonV (5:12:47 PM): somewhere on the coast of... Bretagne?
luthienathariel (5:12:49 PM): and it is historically very interesting too
luthienathariel (5:12:50 PM): yes
AriehnV (5:12:54 PM): the Romans .. they are mad the romans
luthienathariel (5:12:55 PM): on the very tip
Fladrifv (5:13:10 PM): normandi
AriehnV (5:13:13 PM): and surrounded by six roman camps
ArPharazonV (5:13:18 PM): a small town who's resisted the forces of Caesar, who's conquered everything else
Fladrifv (5:13:22 PM): nod
ArPharazonV (5:13:23 PM) has left the room.
luthienathariel (5:13:26 PM): and it is filled with Latin quotes ..
AriehnV (5:13:34 PM): its so fun that comic hehe
luthienathariel (5:13:40 PM): like "Cave Canem"
Fladrifv (5:13:46 PM): its most fun in french
ArPharazonV (5:13:48 PM) has entered the room.
ArPharazonV (5:13:50 PM): wrong button, I hope you saved
AriehnV: Asterix readers know more
VardaValar1: I did.
ArPharazonV: anyway, it's 4 camps I think
ArPharazonV: what did I miss?
Fladrifv: bij tautalus :-)...oh that was the dutch version
AriehnV: ok lol can well be .. i ve got the whole collection of them
luthienathariel: toutatis
AriehnV: just not here
ArPharazonV: it's a nice comic, read a few, but never been a collector
Fladrifv: <--- dislectic
luthienathariel: Laudanum, Babaorum, ... and ...
karakedi25: dyslexic, actually
ArPharazonV: ...2 more
ArPharazonV: something with Aqua?
Fladrifv: didnt I get my point proven with writing it wrong? :S
AriehnV: aquorum and Brimborum?
AriehnV: somethg like that lol
luthienathariel: lol - those names were hilarious
VardaValar1: You'd have to swap a couple of letters, Flad. : )
ArPharazonV: Asterix and Obelix and Panoramix...
luthienathariel: I bet they're even funnier in French
ArPharazonV: what was the chieftain's name again?
luthienathariel: Abraracourcix
ArPharazonV: ah, right
VardaValar1: I assume it's paper, with no online version?
luthienathariel: and Hokkiestix, Nognix, Kostunrix
Fladrifv: the seeer xienix...
karakedi25: you did, but I thought you might like to know how to spell it
luthienathariel: LOL
ArPharazonV: dunno, someone might have put them online at some point
ArPharazonV: haha
ArPharazonV: I remember Kostunrix...
Fladrifv: yes thanks for that Karakedi
luthienathariel: and the Vikings all have names that end in -af
luthienathariel: Zakaf, Stapaf, Liflaf etc.
VardaValar1: Rifraf?
ArPharazonV: there's been a few large animated movies based on some of the books as well
Fladrifv: now we are on the liguistic side, what languages do people speak like first and seccond third and so on
AriehnV: thats the official asterix site
luthienathariel: you mean people as in here?
ArPharazonV: and 2 "real" movies too.. live action I think is the term?
VardaValar1: Hantalye, Arien. : )
Fladrifv: *nod to luth*
karakedi25: about to kill a boss in lotro--away for a couple of minutes...back soon
luthienathariel: yes, Obelix was played by Gerard Depardieu there
ArPharazonV: yep
luthienathariel: kill a boss in lotro <- is that slang for going to the washroom?
VardaValar1: She's in the Lord of the Rings Online game.
Fladrifv: hooom hoom :-)
ArPharazonV: *smirk*
luthienathariel: ohhh lotro - right.
karakedi25: back
VardaValar1: Quick death.
luthienathariel: wow, that is a quick lotro.
karakedi25: easy boss
VardaValar1: What boss?
Fladrifv: hasty folk!
karakedi25: level 1 LI instance
VardaValar1: ah gotcha.
luthienathariel: hm, very technical.
Fladrifv: dont worry luth even for me
luthienathariel: I don't :-)
ArPharazonV: that site, Arien.... are those the names in English?
luthienathariel: promeeze
ArPharazonV: Getafix, Vitalstatistix?
luthienathariel: ahhh
AriehnV: aye its an english site
AriehnV: yep
luthienathariel: I don;t know those ... brilliant :D
ArPharazonV: haha, nice
ArPharazonV: Getafix is our Panoramix
luthienathariel: Visstix
AriehnV: i think i ll browse there another day it looks hilarious
luthienathariel: Idéfix
ArPharazonV: Vitalstatistix is our Abraracourcix
AriehnV: Cacofonix is the bard

VardaValar1: Asterix is really off-topic, gang. : )
luthienathariel: ah yes, Assurancetourix
VardaValar1: We were introducing Indis-(V). : )
ArPharazonV: Dogmatix :D
luthienathariel: oh, I don't see any Indis online ...
Fladrifv: beefix...
AriehnV: Karakedi is afk she is fighting a boss
VardaValar1: karakedil25 is Indis-(V)
AriehnV: in Lotro
VardaValar1: She is back, Arien.
luthienathariel: oh I see
karakedi25: yes, sorry about that...can't get the login name to change to Indis V
VardaValar1: Indis, it was Latin that got you started on Linguistics?
karakedi25: yes, though I'm sure Tolkien and his lovely language lore helped
VardaValar1: You did start reading Tolkien at 13, possible influence there.
karakedi25: indeed--I played around with Tengwar, as so many geeky teens do ;-)

luthienathariel: (btw I uploaded a HD version of the Song of Beren & Lúthien

ArPharazonV: Tengwar was a bit too much for me, I did memorise the Dwarven runic alphabet from the Hobbit at some time though
AriehnV: hehe yeah i think ive gtot some school books full of tengwar versions of my real name in on cover
luthienathariel: yes, I did that too ...
karakedi25: I liked the looks of Tengwar more than Cirth
ArPharazonV: dwarven runes were 1-on-1 with our own alphabet though, Tengwar is a bit harder
karakedi25: but oh so beautiful
Fladrifv: ents of confusion, tengwar?
karakedi25: elvish letters, originally designed in Valinor by Rumil and adapted by Feanor
Fladrifv: thanks
ArPharazonV: can be found in Appendix... D? E? F?
AriehnV: D i think
AriehnV: or E one of those tow
AriehnV: two]
ArPharazonV: wasn't D the calendar?
karakedi25: not the part about Rumil. I think that's probably in the Letters or Home
Fladrifv: *me feels that he lacks one or two pieces of information*

VardaValar1: Beautiful video, Luthien.
karakedi25: I'm sure there's lots you know that we don't
VardaValar1: I'll be adding the link into your site later. Very good!

karakedi25: a nice discovery!

AriehnV: right Valarites i have to vanish and the light fades from the sky .. but if want a chance for it to rise again in time its time for westering home
VardaValar1: We seem to have completely skipped the rest of the meeting, so I'll run a fast recap, then back to Tolkien if anyone's left. : )
karakedi25: may the stars shine on your path, ArehnV
Fladrifv: *waves to the west*
ArPharazonV: Namarie sunshine!
AriehnV: Nice meeting you Idris
VardaValar1: Namarie, Arien!
luthienathariel: novaer :-)
AriehnV: Anar kaluva tielyanna , Idris !
AriehnV: *bows to the room"
AriehnV has left the room.

VardaValar1: Backlogged, good stuff coming for the Tolkien Site.
karakedi25: anything else you want me to tell you?
VardaValar1: We have more of Jay of Lasgalen's stories, cool haiku by Indis, and that YouTube of Beren and Luthien from Luthien-(T)
Fladrifv: did you read saga of old days like the edda?
Fladrifv: oh sorry varda
VardaValar1: np
luthienathariel: and the Earendil one too ;-)
VardaValar1: Thought you were done, Indis, sorry.
VardaValar1: Is it not up? ack. Url again?
luthienathariel: oh, sorry - I did not mean that ... I suppose it is
VardaValar1: sure enough, I don't see it. Url please?
VardaValar1: Only the first Beren and Luthien link.
luthienathariel: on the site?
luthienathariel: hmmm
luthienathariel: k
luthienathariel: just a second
karakedi25: I'm done if I've told you what you wanted to know
VardaValar1: Your intro disappeared into a comics discussion, kind of strange, sorry.
luthienathariel:  [Note: "Song of Earendil" by luthienathariel]
ArPharazonV: I blame... well.. no idea who brought up Asterix, anyway
VardaValar1: Thanks. This transcript will hold the urls for the update, so they can be done together. Think I'll make a separate page for the YouTube collection.
VardaValar1: Doesn't matter, everyone had a great time with it. :-)
VardaValar1: I couldn't resist adding Rifraf.
luthienathariel: you don't have the Sindarin version of Beren and Luthien either .. I'll mail that to you
karakedi25: ooh can I have one too?
VardaValar1: Please give the url here.
VardaValar1: You mean written?
luthienathariel: sent
luthienathariel: yes
luthienathariel: the text
luthienathariel: sure, what is your email address?
VardaValar1: It will be on the website, Indis. Shared with the world. : )
karakedi25: yay!
VardaValar1: Thank you, Luthien.
VardaValar1: Side window on the email would be a good idea.
VardaValar1: That was all under Web, very good.

VardaValar1: Gaming, very quick.
VardaValar1: What non-WoW or non-LotRO games this week?
VardaValar1: Fladrif was in a Chess tournament.
Fladrifv: still in a chess tournament
Fladrifv: won one game more
VardaValar1: Congratulations!
Fladrifv: still 2 to go for the groupe round
VardaValar1: Any other games?
Fladrifv: red allert 3
Fladrifv: world of goo
ArPharazonV: nah... got close to playing one, but didn't
Fladrifv: armadillo run
Fladrifv: :-)
VardaValar1: Thought you finished off that armadillo. ;-)
Fladrifv: got 1300 levels more to do
ArPharazonV: he keeps getting new levels
VardaValar1: Be a bit then!
VardaValar1: WoW:
VardaValar1: Argent Dawn European server:
VardaValar1: Fladrif, go ahead. : )
karakedi25: good work, Fladrif
Fladrifv: I got my dk (dead knight) to 60
Fladrifv: just before my 10 day trail ends
VardaValar1: Maxed out in a short time, very impressive.
Fladrifv: I will not rejoin wow, dont have time for it
VardaValar1: Glad you could be around for that time for the fun.
Fladrifv: maxxed would mean for me 70
ArPharazonV: you'll be back...
VardaValar1: Ah, right, 70.
VardaValar1: Arien had news.
VardaValar1: She had to delete some characters from Argent Dawn, just couldn't play so many.
VardaValar1: She kept three.
VardaValar1: AriehnV: thats Arrien (mage), Ahrienn (priest) and Failivrin (hunter)
VardaValar1: In Lothar server, the usual gang were running together, questing and crafting.
VardaValar1: Uldaman server had the group on more than usual, lots of leveling and grouping there.
VardaValar1: LotRO:
VardaValar1: That is where most of our people are, and they don't seem to see a reason to come to these meetings mostly. Just don't know any better.
VardaValar1: Thank you, Indis, for being an exception!

Other Business:
VardaValar1: Any other business from anyone?
karakedi25: well, I'm in LotRO took, but I'm doing things I can hop in and out of
luthienathariel: yes
VardaValar1: Luthien, go ahead.
luthienathariel: oh, no sorry
luthienathariel: that's not for gaming

VardaValar1: Tolkien:
VardaValar1: It was for any business that was not Tolkien not yet discussed.
VardaValar1: Most people don't have Other Business. Go ahead if you have some.
luthienathariel: well, it is Tolkien
luthienathariel: but not Game
VardaValar1: Great, moving on to Tolkien.
VardaValar1: Go ahead, Luthien. : )
luthienathariel: just wanted to mention that I am, with that opensim version of Valinor, stuck in the infamous Local Loopback problem
VardaValar1: oboy
luthienathariel: which means that I can run it either in local mode, where I can log in
luthienathariel: or in external mode, in which the rest of the world can login
luthienathariel: but not both
karakedi25: what do you mean by a sim? Are you in Second Life?
luthienathariel: so I will have to get that working
Fladrifv: but if you connect by use of your external ip?
luthienathariel: no, it is a standalone universe
Fladrifv: instead of
luthienathariel: notthing to do with second life
karakedi25: how does one access it?
luthienathariel: @frladrif - I tried that
Fladrifv: or bridge it
luthienathariel: you can, if I switch it to external
Fladrifv: or open both listening ports
luthienathariel: no Fladrif, I tried ...
luthienathariel: it's more complex than that
luthienathariel: believe me
Fladrifv: no ;-)
VardaValar1: hehe
luthienathariel: k, will discuss it in side window
luthienathariel: maybe you can help me then :-)
Fladrifv: lets get this solved
luthienathariel: but to answer Indis' Q
luthienathariel: when it runs,
luthienathariel: you can take any opensim compatible viewer like Hippo
luthienathariel: or even the standard 2nd life thing
luthienathariel: and hook up to my server (i.e. my desktop pc) and enter
luthienathariel: I modeled part of Valinor in there, and it is still very basic ...
luthienathariel: I want to make it as good as possibel
luthienathariel: ble
luthienathariel: I can give you a user account if you want, and the IP address
karakedi25: I would need to download software?
luthienathariel: but it won't be online permanently because of that problem I have
luthienathariel: yes, the viewer
luthienathariel: google for Hippo Opensim viewer
luthienathariel: or realXtend
luthienathariel: or Cool<something>
luthienathariel: forgot the exact name
Fladrifv: hippo
luthienathariel: here's some general info
luthienathariel: that last is a screen shot
luthienathariel: on the foot of Túna, looking East
karakedi25: The Calacirya
luthienathariel: yep
karakedi25: I always thought of that part as land, until you reach the shore
luthienathariel: so did I, but I had a good look at the atlas of Middle Earth, and there is a bit of a creek running up to Túna
luthienathariel: maybe it is less wide.
karakedi25: Is the Atlas fully based on accurate lore, or do you suppose the author may have used a bit of artistic license?
luthienathariel: I think it is the most accurate that's around ...
VardaValar1: It is not perfect, we've found errors in the Atlas.
VardaValar1: We often double-check in the original text.
luthienathariel: though if new facts come up, I am happy to hear them ...
karakedi25: this is not to minimize the worth of the Atlas, which is a fine piece of work
ArPharazonV: well, if you find another fact about that particular spot?
VardaValar1: Always good to read through the text in any project though.
VardaValar1: It might be perfectly accurate, and then you can point out the passages to people.
VardaValar1: Certainly gives a good place to start!
karakedi25: an online search for Tirion on Tuna and Calacirya might also help
VardaValar1: True. Just also be careful of anything online. The only sure source is the original work for last touches.
VardaValar1: Ok, Luth and Flad are probably trading tech stuff on a side window. : )
VardaValar1: I'm enjoying your haiku, Indis.
luthienathariel: indeed
VardaValar1: It should be online after a bit.
Fladrifv: for the first time Im to quick!
VardaValar1: We have hit the two hour mark. Would everyone like to call it a night, or morning?
VardaValar1: hehe - hasty?
VardaValar1: One more mention
VardaValar1: for those in the text rp
karakedi25: thanks, VardaValar1
VardaValar1: Indis is considering joining in.
VardaValar1: She also has one that we might look at, a starter for a new rp perhaps, to add to the one we are in.
VardaValar1: If nothing else, it might be fun to look at.
VardaValar1: The other rp that some of the guys started seems to have stopped after about two posts.
VardaValar1: Scouting Ahead is still going, be sure to post.
VardaValar1: Any other mentions anyone wishes to make?
karakedi25: I look forward to reading Scouting Ahead and maybe joining in, if that's ok
VardaValar1: Please talk with us about it in AIM when you get ready.
VardaValar1: Right now it would be easiest to join as a Mirkwood elf, but we can try to accomodate you with some creativity.
karakedi25: if I think I can contribute, I'll be in touch with you
VardaValar1: Thank you. I'm sure you can, but it's a lot of reading. Have fun!
karakedi25: I read pretty fast...
VardaValar1: Perfect then. : )
VardaValar1: If there is no further business?
karakedi25: 'thanks all for the welcome
ArPharazonV: *bows*
karakedi25: I hope I haven't talked too much for a newcomer
VardaValar1: A great pleasure to have you with us here and in LotRO!
ArPharazonV: nah, we could use some action
VardaValar1: Not at all. : )
luthienathariel: can one talk to much as a newcomer?
VardaValar1: What Phar said.
luthienathariel: too
VardaValar1: Helps to stay in the general region of the topic, otherwise hard to, aye!
karakedi25: *agrees*
VardaValar1: *raises shiny, silver gavel*
VardaValar1: *tinnnnnnnng*
luthienathariel: *ducks*

VardaValar1: After-meeting!
VardaValar1: Free chat about anything, bed, or join together in games.
VardaValar1: What would that be, Luth?
luthienathariel: a pilot for instruction video's for the library
luthienathariel: made on the same opensim server
VardaValar1: Thank you. : )
karakedi25: nice
ArPharazonV: I'm watching the spawn-spot for the Violet Hold Higher Learning book at the moment, should spawn in the next 40 minutes...
luthienathariel: is that a game?
ArPharazonV: not that I need it, but eh, people in the channel for it helped me, might as well help back, was farming the last book I *do* need until a few minutes ago
ArPharazonV: it's part of WoW
luthienathariel: do they farm books in Wow?
VardaValar1: You're a sweetie, Phar. : )
ArPharazonV: it's for an achievement
VardaValar1: I farm potatoes in LotRO. ;-)
ArPharazonV: they spawn every 3-4 hours
luthienathariel: books spawn??
ArPharazonV: just those 8 for the achievement
luthienathariel: *imagination running wild*
ArPharazonV: 3 minutes after the first person reads them they disappear
VardaValar1: Sounds cool heheh
Fladrifv: every 3-4 hours? mine take 3 months to be ready
luthienathariel: I now imagine some sort of stable with books in it
VardaValar1: Means they pop up in a particular spot.
ArPharazonV: ...Yes. What Varda said.
luthienathariel: grunting and crowding together around a well of ink
VardaValar1: Maybe they go up waterfalls.
luthienathariel: like salmon
VardaValar1: Aye
luthienathariel: ahhh .. . the poetry ...
VardaValar1: =)
VardaValar1: Hello's from Gimli-(V) and Sauron-(Valar)
VardaValar1: Gimli's on the phone. : )
ArPharazonV: hello back
karakedi25: good to meet you all! Going to log out now
VardaValar1: Namarie!
Fladrifv: *waves*
Fladrifv: nice meeting you
karakedi25: namarie!
ArPharazonV: Namarie
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VardaValar1: I think I'll be leaving too. Close to the point of having Indis' poetry online, so you might look for that tomorrow. :-)
VardaValar1: See you another time, friends. : )
ArPharazonV: will finish this book-watching for a bit
ArPharazonV: then logging out and doing whatever :-)
VardaValar1: :-)
Fladrifv: namarie!
luthienathariel: novaer
ArPharazonV: namarie Varda
VardaValar1: Thanks for coming!
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