January 6, 2008 Meeting
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AIM: Valar Guild Meetingplace
Transcript work by: Ar-Pharazon and Varda
AriehnV, ArPharazonV, arwenv1, Eonwe Valar
(presiding), fladrifv, GilraenV, Glorfindel VG, GwaihirValar, Farmer
Maggot-(V)/thesirg3, Menelvagor Vala, VardaValar1
You have just entered room "valarguildmeetingplace."
Eonwe Valar has entered the room.
fladrifv has entered the room.
ArPharazonV: they did it... they actually did it...
GilraenV has entered the room.
ArPharazonV: huge horde raid into SW, hundreds of players... and now the server's down
Menelvagor Valar has entered the room.
arwenv1 has entered the room.
GilraenV: Aiya folks
Eonwe Valar: Oh, for a minute there I thought a quote from Planet of the Apes was coming.
ArPharazonV: I *knew* it sounded familiar...
Eonwe Valar: Heya everyone :}
ArPharazonV: Aiya all
VardaValar1 has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar: Heya Varda
ArPharazonV: well, the bg servers went down here, and it was already quite laggy
ArPharazonV: so then the bored pvp people made raids into capitals
ArPharazonV: and while Alliance invaded Orgrimmar.. horde just zerged Stormwind
Eonwe Valar: Ok ladies and gents, let's begin the meeting.
Eonwe Valar: Elen Sila Lumenn Omentielvo!
Eonwe Valar: Membership:
Eonwe Valar: Back to class for me next week. I assume it's the same for some of you :}
ArPharazonV: *cry* yep... gotta get up at 5:30
VardaValar1: Sauron will be starting U of H Main campus next week.
Eonwe Valar: That's you're going back to class soon, not necessarily next week :}
Eonwe Valar: Cool
Eonwe Valar: Does he have a major yet, or still considering his options?
VardaValar1: Eowyn will be in U of Houston Downtown, a different school of the same name.
VardaValar1: Currently Sauron's degree plan is for Civil Engineering, he already has Associates of Science.
Eonwe Valar: Cool
Eonwe Valar: and Eowyn?
VardaValar1: She has two Associates degrees: Business, Science. She is majoring in Finance.
Eonwe Valar: Cool. Sounds like she'll have plenty of options for a job :}
AriehnV has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar: Any other member news?
VardaValar1: She is already doing websites professionally and doing financial analysis.
ArPharazonV: I'm back from Belgium!
Eonwe Valar: Welcome back :}
Eonwe Valar: Ok, on to Web News:
Eonwe Valar: Varda, you have some news?
VardaValar1: Aye. Tolkien Site has new Articles, Stories, and Art.
VardaValar1: Battles of Beleriand, project by Fingolfin-(TV)
VardaValar1: Feel free to add your article on a battle or event or character or weapons or whatever for the project. :-)
VardaValar1: I added an article to it:
VardaValar1: Nirnaeth Arnoediad: Battle of Unnumbered Tears
VardaValar1: Two stories by Alasse Merenrel-(TV), who has another one in the works.
VardaValar1: "Another Day" by Alasse Merenrel-(TV). Helm's Deep, from an orc's point of view. Movie-verse.
VardaValar1: It's a dark one from the orc's point of view in Helm's Deep that did the blasting of the wall.
VardaValar1: It's also for the anniversary, and is a victory of sorts.
VardaValar1: Denethor's first-born son, Boromir, writes in his log concerning his first impressions of the elves he has met.
VardaValar1: Companion piece to "Second-born" in which Denethor's
second-born son, Faramir, compares First-born elves and Second-born
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VardaValar1: Siobhan-(TV) who writes the Mellon Chronicles with Cassia-(TV) usually has their stories illustrated by Cassia, but
VardaValar1: she drew a creature from one of their stories since people
asked what it looked like, and it is now in her cave and illustrates a
VardaValar1: It's quite cute and worth taking a look.
VardaValar1: The stories are short and can be read quickly.
VardaValar1: Another story is currently being formatted to put up, but
is novel-length, part of the Mellon Chronicles: Between Darkness and
Dawn. It is extremely dark fic.
VardaValar1: End report. :-)
Eonwe Valar: Thanks Varda :}
Eonwe Valar: On to Gaming:
Eonwe Valar: Eve:
Eonwe Valar: Pallando announces the Valar Corp is back up in Eve, and his 1 month free offer still stands.
Eonwe Valar: Anyone do anything besides WoW and LotRO this week?
Menelvagor Valar: EVE :P
Eonwe Valar: Got with Pallando?
Eonwe Valar: Or just played on your own?
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Eonwe Valar: Menel?
VardaValar1: Menel has been playing with Pallando :-)
Eonwe Valar: Ok, thanks :}
Eonwe Valar: Anyone else play anything besides WoW and LotRO?
VardaValar1: Arien is eating pizza right now. : )
VardaValar1: BroodWar by Fangorn
VardaValar1: D&D online Shadowreaches by Sauron
VardaValar1: Sauron says he probably won't renew the D&D, but stick with WoW. It's a trial thing.
AriehnV has entered the room.
VardaValar1: And our Saturday D&D tabletop including Sauron as Game Master, Gimli and myself as part of the players. Some others have guild-friended with us in WoW.
Eonwe Valar: Ok. I think we had a couple of other people Give a try to/play DDO.
Menelvagor Valar: Sorry, I am half busy to do some cargo hauling for a few people I met in EVE.
Eonwe Valar: Good luck :}
Menelvagor Valar: And uhm... unless there will be more people starting to play EVE, the Valar corp there will just be as symbollical as the WoW europe one is.
VardaValar1: Would you folk prefer to just drop those "symbolic" ones?
Eonwe Valar: Just did a quick look at the Games Page. Looks like at
least around the time of the GPMU, Gelmir was playing DDO. No word from
him since, so I can only assume he still does.
AriehnV: I would
VardaValar1: Arien, as leader in the AD group, it's your call. Sorry to hear you couldn't make a go of it, but it's hard to do.
Menelvagor Valar: I don't mind having a symbollic one, but the thing is
that with games that allow private channels, we can meet through that
VardaValar1: Where does Valandil play?
AriehnV: i dont have the power
VardaValar1: I thought you formed it. Who is the guild master?
VardaValar1: Ok, then it's Menel's call.
Menelvagor Valar: I defer to Ariehn in this :-)
AriehnV: if Valandil s playing he uses often Orophin and Caradhron , hes got them both in Valar
VardaValar1: So he is actually in the Valar Guild group. Is he also in wherever you guys prefer to play?
AriehnV: not often
VardaValar1: What would happen to him or any others in that group?
AriehnV: i dont know , i have to talk to him
VardaValar1: Are there others?
ArPharazonV: don't think so, besides myself, Arien, Menel and Valandil
I don't see the valar-channel have a lot of action, in any case
VardaValar1: Will you have a place to take them, rather than orphaning?
ArPharazonV: all will be welcome in The High Guard
AriehnV: nope only Calaron that is Phara and me .. and Phara wouldnt
let down his High Guard which i completely understand and appreciate
Menelvagor Valar: and don't forget I am not playing WoW for a while.
VardaValar1: We fall out of Valar channel in Lothar fairly often.
AriehnV: i wont
ArPharazonV: Valandil and Ariehn have characters in THG anyway, and Fladrif is in there too for when he starts playing again :-)
ArPharazonV: we've always been a... what was the term again... shadowguild?
ArPharazonV: so all Valar-charactes will always be welcome, especially
now that there's an actual Valarguild-member in charge again
VardaValar1: aye, shadow guild, our group working together as
trustworthy friends inside another organization that they help out.
Eonwe Valar: No point in keeping the AD branch over in Europe if most
of the members are playing in other guilds anyway, and if recruiting
isn't going well.
VardaValar1: Is any recruiting going on at all?
VardaValar1: Maybe you could find some Tolkien-onlies.
Menelvagor Valar: I found some people interested in it over time.
VardaValar1: We could use help with some of this mass of projects. You just heard the latest one.
Menelvagor Valar: But the major issue is that nearly all of them have mains in active guilds.
Menelvagor Valar: and having Valar Guild as an alt stowaway guild isn't exactly what I would have envisioned it to be.
VardaValar1: It's up to you guys in the field. Sounds as if you've invested your time in High Guard.
VardaValar1: Will you continue to be coming to meetings or in some way still be in Valar? Maybe adding to the Tolkien site?
Menelvagor Valar: The High Guard was my first guild on AD, and sorry to
say, but I would put my time in that before the Valar Guild on AD.
VardaValar1: I noticed. : )
AriehnV: whats left Varda? i dont want to break contact with my Valar
mates and playing solo in thre is not exactly what a guild is for
VardaValar1: Sounds like the plan is to go together into High Guard.
ArPharazonV: I feel the same, Menel
AriehnV: then the Valar guild makes no sense at all to me
VardaValar1: Will you continue to come to meetings, or adding to the Tolkien Site?
Menelvagor Valar: Of course.
Eonwe Valar: Valar Guild AD guild branch or Valar Guild in its entirety, Arien?
Menelvagor Valar: the Valar Guild as a whole comes before WoW :-)
VardaValar1: There is no "of course" so I'm glad to hear you are still interested.
Menelvagor Valar: And we can always keep up the Valar channel.
AriehnV: i will contribute to the tolkien site .. coming to meetings makes nosense to me
Menelvagor Valar: the Europe branch is nothing more but a dummy guild :-)
ArPharazonV: sure, valar channel is always good, even though we'd all end up in the same guild :P
VardaValar1: I had hopes that Tolkien-onlies would come to the meetings.
Menelvagor Valar: scrap :-)*
VardaValar1: What would you like to do in the Tolkien site, Arien?
Menelvagor Valar: Arien, you mean you don't think it's making any sense to come to the AIM meetings?
AriehnV: thats what i mean
VardaValar1: Do you wish to change to a Tolkien-only or keep Full Membership, Arien?
AriehnV: and short poems .. stuff like that
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ArPharazonV: the meetings aren't just about gaming..
Eonwe Valar: In the past, meetings were a chance to meet other members,
and after the meeting get together and get some gaming in.
VardaValar1: Tolkien-only is required to add at least one item to the
site yearly, as a minimum. Full only has to say yes, wants to stay.
VardaValar1: Aiya Gwaihir
VardaValar1: Looks like the Argent Dawn WoW group is dissolving.
AriehnV: i fear so it never existexc
VardaValar1: It did exist.
AriehnV: I am sorry to have to say that ... but its just the way things have gone
ArPharazonV: we didn't do much, but we were there...
VardaValar1: It takes huge amounts of work to really handle a guild. You guys know that from running High Guard.
ArPharazonV: I think Menel knows better than me, so far I haven't had many problems
AriehnV: five things in the whole months since it had been formed?
ArPharazonV: biggest issue is taking care of new recruits and a guildbank
AriehnV: or not even that
VardaValar1: Starting from scratch and building up, not easy.
ArPharazonV: that's true, but again, I haven't had any problems with that, I took over an existing one
VardaValar1: Ok, be sure to set up Valandil and whover else is involved.
ArPharazonV: I don't create, I don't expand, I just... maintain
VardaValar1: Valandil is welcome to add to the Tolkien Site also. :-)
AriehnV: i cant recruit as normal with this guild .. once you start
asking questions about toilien whatsoever casual they suddenly want to
think about it and vanish into nothingness
VardaValar1: It's a Tolkien fan club, not the usual thing, aye.
Eonwe Valar: Ok, ladies, and gents, let's continue with the meeting.
Eonwe Valar: WoW:
Eonwe Valar: Lothar:
Eonwe Valar: Unfortunately, I had a very long day on Friday, so I
missed the Guild questing, but Varda reports on the Forum that we had a
trip into Scholomance.
Eonwe Valar: Your floor, Varda.
VardaValar1: The guild did a Scholomance run with Elwing, Eowyn,
Fangorn, Galdor, Sauron in hopes of completing Eowyn's epic warlock
VardaValar1: Arathorn dropped by but the group was already full, thanks anyway.
VardaValar1: The quest was completed, and Dire Maul is next!
VardaValar1: That should finish the Warlock Mount epic.
Eonwe Valar: That last part is fun. I remember helping Sauron with his back before Burning Crusade :}
Eonwe Valar: Do we have anything from Uldaman?
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VardaValar1: Aiya Glorfindel
VardaValar1: Aye, for Uldaman.
Glorfindel VG: hellOoOo
Menelvagor Valar: can't even solo uldaman :-(
Menelvagor Valar: can solo sunken temple :P
VardaValar1: Elwing reports that she will have trouble coming on
Wednesdays for the next few times, so I hope to be holding the fort on
Uldaman server. :-)
ArPharazonV: need 3 to summon final boss,right?
Eonwe Valar: I could, if I could do the last stages without needing 2 other people to get through :}
Eonwe Valar: Pardon, continue, Varda.
Eonwe Valar: Ok, then thanks :} Sorry to hear that about Elwing.
VardaValar1: She'll be back, and may be on different days. Often on Thursdays.
Eonwe Valar: Ok, so not soo bad then :}
VardaValar1: Just for a few upcoming Wednesdays, she'll be busy, forewarning.
Eonwe Valar: Anything to report from LotRO?
VardaValar1: LotRO has people running in it nearly all the time.
VardaValar1: We have people hitting the top level in experience, new
ones coming in, alts coming in, people hitting Grand Mastery in various
crafts, and coming close.
VardaValar1: Completing Legendary traits.
VardaValar1: We have a Rift run planned for Monday
VardaValar1: operating with Black Lions and with Keepers of Ayrshire.
VardaValar1: We are working on our Valar Band, and need to work on our synchronized dancing. : )
VardaValar1: We may be doing some side story telling during band crawls.
VardaValar1: Done. :-)
Eonwe Valar: Thanks.
Eonwe Valar: On to Tolkien:
VardaValar1: Oh, sign up sheet on the Forum
VardaValar1: More quest instances will be coming up, not necessarily with team ups with other kins.
VardaValar1: Noldor is a nice Russian-speaking kin we made contact with, just starting up, may be working with some.
Eonwe Valar: As a note, I've posted a hint to my Sil question, but I've
limited the amount of time for people to guess until the end of this
night, so if you're going to give it a go, better get your guess in
VardaValar1: Ok, heading to look at it. : )
Eonwe Valar: or I'll be answering my current question and posting a new question. The new one might not be so easy.
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Eonwe Valar: The Sil question I refer to is the Sil question in the trivia thread on the Forum.
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arwenv1: I'm already here, Varda
ArPharazonV: I remember something with horn and C...
Eonwe Valar: Greetings Farmer.
VardaValar1: Group invite, pardon. : )
thesirg3: ahoy all
arwenv1: ahh :-)
VardaValar1: Happy New Year. Now on Tolkien : )
ArPharazonV: oh, yes, happy new year everyone
Menelvagor Valar: Eonwe?
Eonwe Valar: Ok, now that that announcement is done, whisper me Tolkien topics now or you get mine :}
Eonwe Valar: Yes?
AriehnV: blliadhna mhath ur dhuibh , a a -uile duine
Menelvagor Valar: I'm not supposed to look in any books to answer that question on the forums, am I?
VardaValar1: The Sil question is:
VardaValar1: By which pass did the refugees of Gondolin escape Gondolin's fall?
Eonwe Valar: The Sil questions you can, but I always recommend trying to go by memory first.
VardaValar1: Hint was:
VardaValar1: The Crissaegrim are actually south of Gondor. That's in
the opposite direction of where one needs to be thinking for this pass,
contrary to what is suggested by the name of this pass.
VardaValar1: Remember why the Crissaegrim are important and you will have a good clue as to the name of this pass.
Eonwe Valar: Er, Gondor should read GOndolin.
Eonwe Valar: Let me fix that real quick.
VardaValar1: Copy/pasted : )
Menelvagor Valar: Well, I just looked it up :P
Menelvagor Valar: sent you the answer in private whisper.
Eonwe Valar: At this point, Menel, I'm not going to argue with you
doing that :} This question wasn't supposed to be so hard, but tsk on
you particularly for not remembering that :}
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Menelvagor Valar: well, it was a very long time ago since I read Book of Lost Tales II :P
VardaValar1: Supposed to be Sil question anyway. : )
Eonwe Valar: It is a Sil question :}
ArPharazonV: well, I couldn't say for sure that the name is mentioned in the Sil, but I guess you checked it :-)
Eonwe Valar: I did :}
Menelvagor Valar: yeah, but the fall of Gondolin is described in much greater detail in BoLT II :-)
Eonwe Valar: And on that subject, I think we shall talk about Turgon and Finrod.
VardaValar1: You're allowed to remember BoLT 2 also. ;-)
VardaValar1: How are you relating Turgon and Finrod?
Eonwe Valar: Seems they got some special privielge from Ulmo, their
kingdoms getting to last after the othe rNoldorin kingdoms had fallen
Eonwe Valar: *privilege.
Eonwe Valar: I am segueying(sp?) into Tolkien chat :}
ArPharazonV: hmm, they both had dreams of finding secret places to build their kingdoms, right?
ArPharazonV: and while Turgon kept it to himself, Finrod talked to Thingol, who told him about the caves at Nargothrond?
Eonwe Valar: Aye, they did both have dreams provided by Ulmo.
Eonwe Valar: Why those two?
VardaValar1: Ulmo wanted to help the elves, and needed rulers of elves
who would be in a position to protect elves and who might listen to him.
Eonwe Valar: Why not Fingolfin? Why not Maedhros?
VardaValar1: In the end, Turgon did not listen.
Menelvagor Valar: Valarian foresight?
Glorfindel VG: finarfin didnt leave
Glorfindel VG: so they werent weighed as heavily by the curse?
VardaValar1: They needed people not under the influence of the Feanorian oath. Leaves out Maedhros.
VardaValar1: Fingolfin led a group following Feanor to Middle-earth.
Eonwe Valar: Fingolfin was the High-King, though. Could've saved alot of Noldor with him.
Menelvagor Valar: Yes, but Fingolfin died when fighting Morgoth in one of the earlier battles, didn't he?
VardaValar1: True. And Turgon was his son, so that was a tip of the hat to the many good things Fingolfin did.
VardaValar1: Fingolfin died, thinking his people had been destroyed by Morgoth
ArPharazonV: I'll be taking my leave now
VardaValar1: He decided to challenge Morgoth directly over it.
VardaValar1: Namarie Phar, sleep well. : )
ArPharazonV: I do like these subjects, but eh, what can you do.. gotta get up in 5 hours
VardaValar1: Aye, time zones get you.
VardaValar1: Sleep fast. : )
ArPharazonV: as if I had a choice!
ArPharazonV: ok, saving and sending
Eonwe Valar: Sleep well Phar :}
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ArPharazonV: Aiyata Gilraen
GilraenV: computer issues >.>
Eonwe Valar: Sorry to hear that Gilraen.
AriehnV: sleep whell Phara
Eonwe Valar: Anyone still here interested in continuing the chat?
ArPharazonV: you'd better, because I'm going to read it when it comes online!
Eonwe Valar: Threats from the Forgotten Caves? :}
ArPharazonV: my home is at the foundation of your land, Messenger...
ArPharazonV: I can kick a rock and the whole of Valinor will tremble
VardaValar1: Eonwe will be careful not to accidentally step on you.
Eonwe Valar: More likely, you'd break your foot :}
ArPharazonV: *shrug* I've got time, it'll heal
Eonwe Valar: Aman does not rest upon a pinnacle :}
ArPharazonV: I'm digging with my bare hands as we speak, Aman has been undermined and is but standing on a handful of pillars...
ArPharazonV: you'd be amazed what you can accomplish when you have an eternity of free time
Eonwe Valar: On the other hand, Angband and the surrounding area that
was once Utumno has been so tunneled through, it might as well rest on
ArPharazonV: all I do is remove the bottom rock and it'll all collapse! mwahaha!
ArPharazonV: ..ok, time for bed
Eonwe Valar: :}
Eonwe Valar: Sleep well Phar :}
ArPharazonV: "Your message has been sent." Transcript on your way, Varda!
GilraenV: night Phara
VardaValar1: Collapse on top of Phar?
Eonwe Valar: Menel got the Sil question, so it's his turn for next one on the Forum.
VardaValar1: Hard head should hold it up.
VardaValar1: Yay Menel! Cristhorn.
Eonwe Valar: Cirith Thoronath actually :}
ArPharazonV: Christhorn, that was it
ArPharazonV: I knew it was something with C and horn...
VardaValar1: Thanks Eonwe
VardaValar1: I got the Cirith part. ; )
VardaValar1: Not too good, I know. : )
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VardaValar1: So, back to Turgon and Finrod?
Eonwe Valar: If there's anyone left to comment.
VardaValar1: Maybe by sending dreams to two elf rulers, Ulmo was keeping from depending on just one.
VardaValar1: Sort of like sending dreams to Faramir, then when he was blocked, perhaps sending one to Boromir.
AriehnV: hmmm Turgon left the helmet in Vinyamar didnt he
Eonwe Valar: Aye, Turgon left an entire suit of armor.
Eonwe Valar: That was how Ulmo's messenger was to be known to Turgon.
VardaValar1: Turgon did well and lasted a long time, but then would not leave Gondolin when warned.
Eonwe Valar: There's no mention of how the messenger to Finrod was to be known.
Eonwe Valar: Aye, Turgon became too attached to his kingdom, whereas
the messengers who spoke with Orodreth were gainsaid by Turin.
VardaValar1: Suppose the dream was enough for Finrod?
Eonwe Valar: Perhaps. Apparently all it took was a message from Cirdan saying Ulmo had spoken with him.
VardaValar1: Orodreth was no Finrod, either.
Eonwe Valar: Aye.
VardaValar1: If Turin had come to the kingdom run by Finrod, it would've been a different story.
Eonwe Valar: So did Ulmo not forsee Finrod's fate?
VardaValar1: Ulmo didn't have anyone to work with by then?
VardaValar1: Helped the elves as far as they let him.
Eonwe Valar: True.
VardaValar1: Ulmo tended to work under the table, so to speak. Maybe he didn't consult with Mandos.
Menelvagor Valar: How became the arrival of the Noldor in Beleriand
known to Morgoth and what was his reaction thereto? (my question on the
VardaValar1: This is for both Feanor and Fingolfin's groups?
Eonwe Valar: Mandos probably wouldn't have told him anything anyway.
Namo seems to keep mum about everything unless Manwë asked anyway.
VardaValar1: Mandos waited for permission from Manwe, aye.
Menelvagor Valar: rephrased question, substituted "the noldor" with "Feanor"
VardaValar1: Too bad. Major reaction when Fingolfin's group hit land. : )
Eonwe Valar: I wrote a story for the Stories page set in the time of Menel's question :}
Eonwe Valar: a few years ago :}
VardaValar1: Suspect you're going to get this question before I type this period.
Eonwe Valar: Since the previous question was mine, didn't want to monopolize the trivia :}
VardaValar1: I need to go handle chores. House is getting very full of people.
VardaValar1: Namarie for now.