Valar Guild

February 17, 2008 Meeting

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Ar-Pharazon and Varda

Attending: (10)
    Members: ArPharazonV, arwenv1, Eonwe Valar, Fladrifv, Gilraen-(V)/Star of Phaet, Glorfindel VG, Farmer Maggot-(V)/thesirg3, Pallando Valar/OrodrethV/Oessala, VardaValar1 (presiding)
    Friend: Srekal86

Meeting begins
    Amroth-(V), new Full Member
    Some of the creatures in real life that we think of as not having speech do have speech in Tolkien's story. Can you name any?

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Eonwe Valar: Heya
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arwenv1: Hi!
ArPharazonV: there, just finished Azuremyst with my lock, right on time for meeting
VardaValar1: Aiya Pharazon, Eonwe, Arwen, and Fladrif :-)
Fladrifv: Aiya
ArPharazonV: Aiya all
Eonwe Valar: How goes it?
VardaValar1: Getting a lot of odd Invite failed messages.
VardaValar1: Elwing is at my house, Sauron is here for a few more hours and they say hi. : )
VardaValar1: Hi's from Bilbo, Eowyn, and Fangorn. : )
Eonwe Valar: Heya to them :}
VardaValar1: Bilbo is on WoW for a short time, Elwing and Fangorn will probably be on after the X-Men 2 movie we were watching.

VardaValar1: Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo!
VardaValar1: Membership
VardaValar1: Since we're already on Membership news, might as well make it "official". ;-)
Star of Phaet has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya Gilraen : )
VardaValar1: Eonwe has some good news. : )
Star of Phaet: Aiya
Star of Phaet: Ooh?
Eonwe Valar: I have cable now :}
Eonwe Valar: cable internet that is :}
VardaValar1: That means he gets to do things like LotRO now, as well as being super duper on WoW. : )
Star of Phaet: awesome!
VardaValar1: Now if we can just get your brother to finish reading.... ;-)
Eonwe Valar: hehe
VardaValar1: Eowyn is back from the hospital after 4 pints of blood, doing a good bit better, not well, but definitely better.
Eonwe Valar: Ouch
VardaValar1: So things are looking up here too.
VardaValar1: Any of the rest of you have news? Doing ok getting settled into new college schedules and places to stay?
VardaValar1: More news here.
VardaValar1: We have a new member, Amroth-(V) :-)
VardaValar1: He's read H and LotR, and has been questing and raiding with us.
VardaValar1: His favorite LotR character is Gandalf, which most of us can agree with as a top one on our list.
VardaValar1: He's in LoTRO with us.
VardaValar1: Another has completed the test and having trouble finding a character he thinks is in the books, who he wants to have as primary name.
VardaValar1: As far as I know there is no such character, but perhaps one of you knows.
VardaValar1: It's a messenger sent from Fangorn to find the Entwives who never returned.
Eonwe Valar: Hmm, as I recall, the Ents went looking for themselves.
VardaValar1: If one of you remembers this character, let me know. The person may not exist in the books.
VardaValar1: Aye, for a time they did.
VardaValar1: I do not remember any such character and suspect it's something our friend saw outside. He thinks it was around 1970 and has become somewhat hooked on the idea.
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VardaValar1: Aiya Pallando! : )
OrodrethV: Auya
VardaValar1: Good to see you! How goes marine training? : )
ArPharazonV: Aiya Pallando and his 2 clones..
VardaValar1: hehe
VardaValar1: When Pallando comes in, he fills up a room. : )
Oessala: Hmm.
Oessala: Nope.
Pallando Valar: Had to figure out where to talk.
VardaValar1: Tricky : )
Pallando Valar: It all looks the same. ._.
VardaValar1: Three mouths, no waiting. Or thirty fingers.
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VardaValar1: We're in Membership news if you'd like to let us know how things are going for you, Pallando.
VardaValar1: Heya Srekal. : )
Srekal86: allo.
Pallando Valar: The training is going well. Actually, in unrelated news, I have my black belt exam on march 1 .
VardaValar1: May you be coordinated that day. : )
Pallando Valar: I'll lose coordination for endurance any day.
VardaValar1: Ok, good fortune with that too then. : )
VardaValar1: Any further membership news before we switch to Web?
Pallando Valar: Think that's it for me. Ship to boot may 27, but I think I emailed that to you.
VardaValar1: Nice to tell it where all can hear it here, though. Thank you.

VardaValar1: Web:
VardaValar1: Glorfindel's new music piece is up: "Luthien's Spell":
VardaValar1: This is an instrumental for the time that Beren first saw Luthien dancing and fell in love with her, "bespelled".
VardaValar1: New links up also, one I definitely recommend checking out when you have a bit of time is a live movie, "Journey of the Ring".
VardaValar1: It was done benefitting their local fire station and raised a good bit of money.
VardaValar1: The web master plays the black rider on the bike : )
VardaValar1: He also put up a site for news on the upcoming Hobbit and prequel movies, or hopefully upcoming:
VardaValar1: "Hobbit Central":
VardaValar1: He contacted me by email to put up the links, so I've checked them out for you and they have not harmed my computers. : )
VardaValar1: New Line Cinema is having problems again so the Hobbit is once again probably delayed.
VardaValar1: Seems they may have stiffed the Tolkien Estate as well as PJ, and the Estate is asking for a part of its promised money.
VardaValar1: Maybe New Line is feeling the pinch, as they asked us to put up a banner advertising their shop for merchandise, and were willing to give me a cut.
VardaValar1: I gave them a link and said no to the cut, but you can still enjoy perusing the LotR goodies if you like.
VardaValar1: Main shop:
VardaValar1: LotR goodies:
VardaValar1: If anyone wants an article on the Tolkien Estate lawsuit, here is one:
VardaValar1: from Cinematic:
VardaValar1: It won't kill the movie, I'm pretty sure, but maybe New Line will be more careful next time.
VardaValar1: Any other web news?
VardaValar1: Comments?
VardaValar1: I do recommend listening to Glorfindel's music if your computer allows it. : )
VardaValar1: Gaming:
Glorfindel VG has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Glorfindel! We were just telling about your music being up, "Luthien's Spell". : )
VardaValar1: If we can figure out how to put your stuff in .abc files somehow, would you mind if we played your pieces in Lord of the Rings Online?
Glorfindel VG: ohh nice
Glorfindel VG: no i don't mind : )
VardaValar1: Fantastic! Thank you, most generous.
VardaValar1: Now I have to figure out how...
Glorfindel VG: brb phone

VardaValar1: Gaming:
VardaValar1: What games non-LotRO and non-WoW has anyone played this week? : )
VardaValar1: Bilbo played Team Fortress 2 as The Beer Wench
Pallando Valar: I've been on TF2 a bit.
VardaValar1: Nice : )
Pallando Valar: And eve, ofcourse, but Pallando's back in semi-hibernation.
ArPharazonV: I've done a lot of Zuma
Pallando Valar: Too much fun on my main. :p
VardaValar1: : )
ArPharazonV: horribly addicting game...
ArPharazonV: does anyone here know it?
VardaValar1: Sounds vaguely familiar
VardaValar1: Anything to do with Montezuma? : )
ArPharazonV: well, the style is a bit like that
VardaValar1: Lest I forget, Ugluk said hi to us by email. : ) Hasn't been gaming lately, but maybe things will be less hectic in the future.
ArPharazonV: Inca, Aztek, etc
ArPharazonV: a line of balls runs across the screen towards a target and you have to fire balls of a certain color to make lines of 3 or more of the same colors, which will then explode
ArPharazonV: your goal is to let none of the balls reach the target
Pallando Valar: off to work o/
VardaValar1: Farewell : )
ArPharazonV: seems to have the necessary info :-)
VardaValar1: On to WoW
VardaValar1: Do we have an Argent Dawn server report?
VardaValar1: Pharazon?
ArPharazonV: thinking, but... nothing comes to mind, think the last thing we did was already reported last week, and not sure we did anything else this week...
ArPharazonV: except talk,of course
VardaValar1: Talk is fun : )
ArPharazonV: I think Arien had some potential recruits, though, but I don't know the details
VardaValar1: Big fancy chat programs. : )
VardaValar1: That is good to hear. Good luck to finding one in the potentials!
VardaValar1: Lothar:
ArPharazonV: thanks :-)
VardaValar1: We've been gaming in Lothar off and on all week, various ones of us.
VardaValar1: Making progress, pairing and triples mostly, but fun.
VardaValar1: I'm still working towards making 20 slot bags.
VardaValar1: Uldaman:
ArPharazonV: *grin* just bought my 6th
VardaValar1: Wednesday we were all in Lothar.
VardaValar1: Bought, aye, but I am working on making. Murder, they earned whatever you spent1
VardaValar1: !
Eonwe Valar: I managed to get some time to pop into Lothar on Friday. Chatted with Elwing and helped her find the Dragonscale Leatherworker.
ArPharazonV: eh, 390, I thought it rather cheap
VardaValar1: Uldaman, we mostly played hooky and were in Lothar instead, those that played.
VardaValar1: Thank you, Eonwe!
VardaValar1: LotRO:
VardaValar1: As earlier mentioned, we have our new member there, Amroth-V, playing as Labellas.
VardaValar1: We met him as Lhee, but he doesn't want to lose his kinhouse on that character by changing kins on it.
VardaValar1: We had the Book 12 giant update, quite a lot of new stuff, patch notes available, or better yet go play it. : )
VardaValar1: but they will be doing maintenance Tuesday, partly a reaction to the public's reaction.
VardaValar1: Angmar is a lot smoother on the storyline and quests.
VardaValar1: New outfits, barbers, trophies.
VardaValar1: Any other business? Comments? Suggestions?
VardaValar1: How many people are live? Please say aye
VardaValar1: aye
ArPharazonV: aye
ArPharazonV: *cough*
VardaValar1: Arien sent a message, said hi, exhausting work schedule, no recruits just messages calling for them. Going to bed.
VardaValar1: Phar, maybe I should let you get in a nap too. : )
ArPharazonV: nah, tomorrow starts at 10:30, I'll be allright
VardaValar1: Anyone have suggestions on space for music files? I have a lead or two, nothing quite definite.
VardaValar1: okies

VardaValar1: Tolkien:
VardaValar1: Tolkien showed certain creatures speaking or thinking in a spoken style, that we don't usually think of that way. What are some of these?
VardaValar1: (Valarites? :-) )
VardaValar1: Sorry, very bad.
ArPharazonV: hmm...
ArPharazonV: trying to unwrap the sentence in my mind, seeing if I can understand it
VardaValar1: Sorry.
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VardaValar1: Some of the creatures in real life that we think of as not having speech do have speech in Tolkien's story. Can you name any?
ArPharazonV: ..trees?
ArPharazonV: technically I suppose eagles do have speech in real life, but we don't understand it
VardaValar1: Aye : )
VardaValar1: Fladrif, for instance. ; )
ArPharazonV: well, he should speak more in here, but I think he's busy with his website
Eonwe Valar: The trees speak to the Ents.
VardaValar1: True, Eonwe
VardaValar1: I don't seem to have a link to Fladrif's page on the Membership page.
VardaValar1: If he'd like, we could put it on there.
VardaValar1: Ents would not normally be expected to speak, as they appear to be trees.
ArPharazonV: it's far from ready, I'll let him introduce it himself when he feels so :-)
Glorfindel VG: that one fox in the shire thought it odd to see 3 hobbits out and about after dark
VardaValar1: ok, if it's not ready, should wait, aye.
VardaValar1: Aye! I was hoping someone would mention that. : )
Glorfindel VG: hehe
VardaValar1: It suggests a whole other world going on underfoot.
VardaValar1: (LotRO lets you play a chicken who gets to see that side, but can't talk to "people".)
Glorfindel VG: haha
Glorfindel VG: sounds fun
VardaValar1: Eagles, such as Gwaihir, spoke
VardaValar1: It is. But it's tough, hardcore play.
Glorfindel VG: the spiders spoke
VardaValar1: Help escort any chicken player you seed. : )
VardaValar1: Aye, and understood Bilbo's insulting "Addercop" and other words.
VardaValar1: So the elves of Mirkwood faced an intelligent, organized enemy in those spiders.
VardaValar1: *see
Glorfindel VG: The elves had a certain power or way of dealing with the animals
Glorfindel VG: and communicating with horses and things in some way
VardaValar1: Aye, they had a way with all good animals.
VardaValar1: At the entrance to the Paths of the Dead, Legolas settled Arod down that way.
Eonwe Valar: This sort of reminds me of that episode of Star Trek: Voyager where a Q is trying to convince Captain Janeway why he should be allowed to become mortal and die...
Eonwe Valar: He starts listing off everything he's tried in the Q Continuum as represented to the Captain, and ends it with "I was even the dog for a while. (Or something like that)"
Eonwe Valar: The other Q then says "We've all been that."
VardaValar1: hehe
VardaValar1: Dog players.
Eonwe Valar: The chicken player thing particularly brought it to mind.
VardaValar1: The orcs worked with wargs that they rode, possibly a holdover from elvish ability?
VardaValar1: Really big lizards, bred up to be called dragons, could discuss quite intelligently.
Eonwe Valar: It was probably more of a convenience thing.
VardaValar1: Could be.
Eonwe Valar: the wargs.
VardaValar1: Like horses.
Glorfindel VG: the black riders seemed to be able to communicate with the beasts they rode
Eonwe Valar: I think my Voyager reference killed the conversation..
VardaValar1: Aye, and used the senses of the horses.
Glorfindel VG: acting as their eyes and ears and all that
Glorfindel VG: yea
VardaValar1: Even stones could communicate.
VardaValar1: They had memories.
VardaValar1: Legolas listened to the ones in Hollin/Eregion before they reached Moria.
Eonwe Valar: Aye.
Eonwe Valar: Seems the Nazgul had some understanding with their horses if I recall.
Eonwe Valar: "understanding" being closer to "now you serve the Dark Lord."
VardaValar1: Aye, as Glorfindel said.
VardaValar1: hehe
Glorfindel VG: shadowfax seemed to comminucate to gandalf too i think
Eonwe Valar: Aye, the mearas had quite a lineage.
VardaValar1: Aye!
Glorfindel VG: didnt it say something about eorls horse talking
Glorfindel VG: im not sure
VardaValar1: Nahar spoke
Glorfindel VG: nice
Glorfindel VG: heh
Eonwe Valar: Nahar was the horseof Oromë
Eonwe Valar: Felarof I believe was Eorl's horse, and the one through which the horses of the Kings of Rohan are descended.
Glorfindel VG: goodl old huan spoke a couple of times hehe
ArPharazonV: 3 times unless I'm mistaken!
VardaValar1: Felarof was a Meara.
VardaValar1: Aye, yay Huan. : )
VardaValar1: Only allowed to speak three times, so it had to be important.
VardaValar1: The Mearas understood human speech.
ArPharazonV: wondered why they just couldn't give him a piece of paper to put the words on... and save him the trouble of speaking too soon!
VardaValar1: hehe
VardaValar1: He was trying to appear to be a dog. : )
Eonwe Valar: Good luck handing him a quill and inkwell :}
ArPharazonV: he could like... take it in his mouth...
VardaValar1: I feel a comic coming on somehow.
Eonwe Valar: I'll leave it to Phar to put the quill in Huan's mouth :}
VardaValar1: Hope he does not have the luck of Beren with Carcharoth and that Silmaril.
ArPharazonV: nah, Huan's a lot friendlier
Glorfindel VG: i wouldnt test him though :o
VardaValar1: Good point. : )

VardaValar1: Huan-(Valar) found this spot about music files .abc type:
VardaValar1: Sorry, Farmer Maggot found it.
VardaValar1: We were just talking about Huan, I apologize for the slip.
Eonwe Valar: Happens :}
Glorfindel VG: did someone say they were playing tf2 ?
Glorfindel VG: ive been playing that game alot this week
thesirg3: ah I play it sometimes
Glorfindel VG: its fun
Glorfindel VG: we should play together sometime
VardaValar1: What's a day and time that might be reasonable for you two?
thesirg3: we've been talking off-chat
Glorfindel VG: Anytime is good
Glorfindel VG: we're adding eachother to the friends list
VardaValar1: Pallando said he'd been playing it.
Glorfindel VG: so you can see when they are in game and where
VardaValar1: Great : )
VardaValar1: Pallando Valar for your friend lis
VardaValar1: t
thesirg3: already have him I think
VardaValar1: cool
VardaValar1: I'm going to call this After-meeting
VardaValar1: and go see to my family and guest. : )
VardaValar1: Namarie for now
Glorfindel VG: bye bye
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Eonwe Valar: Take care :}
Fladrifv: I wished there where 48 hours a day.....
thesirg3: I'd probably just sleep more
thesirg3: :-P
ArPharazonV: yes, we'd still end up spending the same time asleep :P
Fladrifv: the thing is that only with 48 hours a day I can get some sleep too :-)
thesirg3: heh
Fladrifv: I have grown hasty lately
Eonwe Valar: Good? :}
Fladrifv: keeps me awake
Eonwe Valar: hehe
Fladrifv: if anyone is interested I can paste a link to some artwork I make
ArPharazonV: ah, the website I told Varda about earlier :-)
Fladrifv: no that one is not ready yet
Fladrifv: despite my hastyness
ArPharazonV: *smile*
Fladrifv: my first design deemed impossible with plain html css
Eonwe Valar: PHP might be something to look into then.
ArPharazonV: I, hrm, should be going now
Eonwe Valar: Take care Phar.
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Fladrifv: namarie
Fladrifv: php is not a bad idea....
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