Valar Guild

December 28, 2008 Meeting

5pm EST (GMT - 5); (GMT = 22:00?)
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Ar-Pharazon and Varda

Attending: (6)
    AriehnV, ArPharazonV, Eonwe Valar, fladrifv, Thorin-(V)/NICKKK725, VardaValar1 (presiding)

Meeting begins
    Thorin-(V) / Kirmir / NICKKK725 seems to no longer be in the guild.
    Fangorn-(Valar) is back on WoW after his usual week absence for work.
    Daddy Twofoot-(V) now has a second son, and is back intermittently in LotRO.
    Arathorn-(Valar) is staying in the overall guild. He plays LotRO with another group.
    Meriadoc-(V) visited Varda's family for Christmas, and played WoW online with the family and Elwing.
    Tolkien Site / Art / DeepGroover's latest models
       General: The Craft of War: Blind a rogue video by Percula
       Lothar server
       Uldaman server
       Argent Dawn server
    LotRO: Landroval server
       More members are hitting the new level 60 cap.
    Other games:
       Red Alert 2 & 3
       Total Annihilation
  Role-play text gaming by Valarites:
    Pallando/Orodreth's old rp on the Blizzard forums. Defunct.
    Guild-wide story currently on our website, done by email. Planning.
    Falathar's rp story "Fellowship of Friends" on our forum.
    Guild-wide role-play story "Scouting Ahead" on our forum, current main rp. Planning.

You have just entered room "valarguildmeetingplace."
VardaValar1 has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya Phar :-)
NICKKK725 has entered the room.
NICKKK725: Who's this?
VardaValar1: Hello
VardaValar1: You are in my list of Valar Guild members
NICKKK725: That was a long long time ago
VardaValar1: Do you wish to be removed?
VardaValar1: We are over 11 years old. :-)
NICKKK725: Think I was in it for WOW a while ago
VardaValar1: I hit the group list, not any particular person.
VardaValar1: Do you remember the name you used in the guild? Gollum maybe?
NICKKK725: Pretty sure it was Valar on Sargeras server
VardaValar1: I know Gollum disappeared completely
VardaValar1: No, we were on Lothar
VardaValar1: Still are
VardaValar1: That is our Alliance group
VardaValar1: We have another group for Horde on Uldaman server.
VardaValar1: We are a Tolkien fan club as well as gamers, and meet here every Sunday.
NICKKK725: Ooohhh Valar was for LOTRO when I played.
VardaValar1: It still is
VardaValar1: I just came from LotRO a few minutes ago.
NICKKK725: I know longer take part in that MMO
VardaValar1: We are in multiple games.
VardaValar1: We started in Diablo 1 :-)
VardaValar1: Are you still interested in the books by Tolkien?
NICKKK725 has left the room.
VardaValar1:bye, heh.
VardaValar1: I guess I should remove him from the list.
AriehnV has entered the room.
AriehnV: aiya there :-)
VardaValar1: Found him. He was Thorin-V
Eonwe Valar has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya Arien : )
VardaValar1: Aiya Eonwe
Eonwe Valar: Heya all...
AriehnV: aiya Eonwe :-)
Eonwe Valar: This new AIM is looking to be a bigger pain than it's worth.
VardaValar1: He was Kirmir in June or July 2007 in LotRO. Thorin-V
Eonwe Valar: afk for a sec.
VardaValar1: ok, and aye it's a pain.

VardaValar1: Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo!
VardaValar1: Membership:
VardaValar1: We just had an accidental invitation to Thorin-V as NICKKK725.
VardaValar1: He apparently is no longer interested in being with us, and is no longer in LotRO.
VardaValar1: Any other membership news?
VardaValar1: Fangorn just came home an hour ago after being gone a week, so you'll be seeing him again on WoW Lothar.
VardaValar1: and sometime in Uldaman server. : )

VardaValar1: Web:
VardaValar1: The main thing I use to work on the web pages got wiped out.
VardaValar1: I will be handling that problem.
VardaValar1: Before that happened, we had an addition in the Art pages.
VardaValar1: DeepGroover-TV, brother of Elwing-V, put up two new models:
VardaValar1: A Knight Hospitaller:
VardaValar1: and a Spanish knight:
VardaValar1: Gimli-V sent us a picture used for Christmas on the News page that I hope you found amusing. : )
VardaValar1: I don't think Eonwe or anyone else has further web news.

VardaValar1: Gaming:
WoW Americas
WoW Europe
Other games

VardaValar1: If anyone is present, did anyone play anything besides WoW or LotRO this past week?
VardaValar1: WoW Lothar has been busy with my family and Elwing. I think Eonwe has also been on.
VardaValar1: WoW Uldaman had visits from my characters, Elwing, and I forget, but maybe Eonwe.
VardaValar1: Anyone present from WoW Europe?
VardaValar1: I know two of you, but I think you're both afk.
VardaValar1: LotRO has been extremely busy.
VardaValar1: Daddy Twofoot showed up today and said he's had a second son. : )
VardaValar1: Twofoot plays Haffle, for Eonwe's information. : )
AriehnV: nice :-)
VardaValar1: He was unsure whether to continue with LotRO as he would be a casual gamer, but once assured that was ok, seems to be happy to stay with us.
VardaValar1: Ulmo and Ancalagon have both been at the level cap for a while [Note: level cap is now 60 in LotRO], Gorlim is about to hit it, and is at level 59 now.
VardaValar1: I'm at 58, a bit scattered between 13 characters, but still moving.
VardaValar1: Gimli is coming up fast. : )
VardaValar1: Arien seems to by typing, I think?
Eonwe Valar: Back, and no, I have no web news from my end for now.
VardaValar1: Thank you, Eonwe. : )
VardaValar1: *be
Eonwe Valar: Er, sorry, that's a bit late I see now :}
ArPharazonV: back from away
VardaValar1: I'm glad that I didn't step on your news! : )
ArPharazonV: wow, you're fast
VardaValar1: Welcome back, Phar!
VardaValar1: Fast?
ArPharazonV: didn't expect you'd be in gaming already
VardaValar1: You guys all three were away, so I just typed in what I had.
ArPharazonV: heh
VardaValar1: Did you have WoW Europe comments?
ArPharazonV: well, scrolling back, but before we move on to Tolkien, I do have some comments
VardaValar1: Go ahead.
VardaValar1: Oh, Gorlim sends milk and cookies from LotRO!
AriehnV: say thanks to him :-)
ArPharazonV: first of all, Fladrif and I have been playing some games last Sunday, as you may remember, it was largely during the meeting (sorry for our absence in activity there!)
AriehnV: they are yummie
ArPharazonV: we played Red Alert 2 and Total Annihilation on Lan, he was sitting nearby at his laptop, so that was fun
VardaValar1: (not sure this is saving anything for the transcript, may need help)
VardaValar1: o cool!
ArPharazonV: and for Christmas I got Red Alert 3, so that'll be fun to play too, Fladrif has it too, so...
VardaValar1: O, reminds me Meriadoc was on WoW with us at our house for Christmas. : )
VardaValar1: Sounds fun.
ArPharazonV: as for WoW
VardaValar1: We have Red Alert also
ArPharazonV: I'm starting to do my first raiding again, already visited 25-man Naxxramas 3 times, and I've also gotten into a new raidgroup for 10-man Naxxramas which is planning to expand
ArPharazonV: so with luck I won't be sitting along the sidelines anymore :-)
ArPharazonV: and one more WoW-related thing:
VardaValar1: Is this still High Guard?
VardaValar1: or um the other name still, heh
VardaValar1: Pardon, which guild/clan/kin?
ArPharazonV: nay, The High Guard is still the guild I'm in and lead, but the communities I'm befriended with/joined are not guild-restricted so I can keep THG going
ArPharazonV: sorry, took long to type ;-)
ArPharazonV: anyway, that other thing
VardaValar1: Pardon, I fumbled the words.
VardaValar1: So who are you raiding with?
ArPharazonV: a group called Innovation, which is founded by a few former members of another group I was in friendstatus with for the past... 13 months or so
ArPharazonV: and I'm also friends with a group called Expedition with which I've done those 3 25-mans
ArPharazonV: Anyway:
ArPharazonV: there's a new wow fan video out there online, which has quite shaken the fan-video-community with amazing new animation techniques outside the normal "machinima"-method of WoW movie-making
ArPharazonV: I got linked to it a few days ago and watched it several times, and am still amazed
ArPharazonV: it's called The Craft of War: Blink, a video focusing on rogues, with more videos to come about other classes, and I'm looking forward to them
ArPharazonV: it's a bit odd to mention wow videos in the business news, but I thought I'd make an exception for this one
VardaValar1: Blink sounds like a mage : )
ArPharazonV: let me fetch the link
ArPharazonV: oh, sorry
VardaValar1: This is gaming : )
ArPharazonV: it's Blind
ArPharazonV: not Blink
ArPharazonV: though I hear the mage-video might be called Blink ;-)
VardaValar1: My mage, Tinwetari, approves.
ArPharazonV: is the main page of the video
ArPharazonV: it has already been linked on several major fansites, and has gotten many great reviews,
ArPharazonV: even though it's only about 2 days old or so
VardaValar1: Like to have it on our News and /or Games site?
ArPharazonV: oh, the page says 4 days
ArPharazonV: sounds good, I recommend it to all who play WoW and can appreciate a good animation :-)
Eonwe Valar: I would have to get a chance to view it before I linked it on the Games Page.
ArPharazonV: it's been said to be on par with the Wrathgate cinematic, so that should be a good hint to those who are in doubt to watch it :-)
ArPharazonV: check the link Eonwe
Eonwe Valar: I was saying "get a chance amidst my schedule"
ArPharazonV: it's about 7 minutes long but worth the time
ArPharazonV: ah :-)
AriehnV: eh its full black lol
AriehnV: lol i dont see any thing :-D
ArPharazonV: give it a few sec
ArPharazonV: hm, that's odd
ArPharazonV: be sure to press play :-)
ArPharazonV: it's black with a few white words for the first... 25 sec or so
AriehnV: ah i had to reload the page
ArPharazonV: ah
ArPharazonV: anyway, that's my news
ArPharazonV: now if you'll excuse me, I've got more bits of meeting to scroll back to before I'm caught up ;-)
ArPharazonV: ...13 characters in LotRO, Varda? :-)
ArPharazonV: and I thought I had trouble with my 9 alts in WoW...
VardaValar1: yes :-)
AriehnV: try 16 on four servers :OP
ArPharazonV: ouch :-)
ArPharazonV: well, to be honest, I too have 14 characters in WoW, but the 4 chars on other servers I haven't played in years
VardaValar1: Watching the video. wowie
VardaValar1: I have one character on Vilya for when Landroval is down and I just have to game. : )
ArPharazonV: no, that's a lie, I played all 4 for just a few minutes to get the 4'th anniversary achievement and blizzard polar bear pet
VardaValar1: Some characters are just for playing with certain other people.
ArPharazonV: I figure they're still my chars, even though I never play them, and if I ever *do* get back to them I wouldn't want them to miss that once-only stuff
ArPharazonV: especially since it's so easily gotten
ArPharazonV: so while 2 of them are still lvl 1 and the other 2 are lvls 7 and 8...
ArPharazonV: I do like to keep my options open :-)
VardaValar1: On the rogue fight now, o wowie
AriehnV: its amazing
VardaValar1: Target is starting to show true nature. Great wings. : )
ArPharazonV: :-)
ArPharazonV: ah, yes, that's a nice bit...
AriehnV: ah she escaped :-D
VardaValar1: I want a sequel!
VardaValar1: oh, hehe
ArPharazonV: there might be, I heard rumors about a Blind 2 coming up
VardaValar1: taste of things to come
ArPharazonV: taste of things to come is the trailer to the first bit, actually
VardaValar1: sure enough. Recognized the scenes
ArPharazonV: but because he thought it a bit odd to have a trailer for a 7 minute movie he never posted it alone and instead added it here, because it did turn out quite well
ArPharazonV: has a word from the creator
ArPharazonV: ah, the mage movie will be called Counterspell :-)
VardaValar1: After I fix the wreck of my web page maker, I'll put in this link.
VardaValar1: Cool : )
VardaValar1: Bet Blizzard will catch the buzz. : )
ArPharazonV: yep
VardaValar1: If not, their heads are in the sand.
ArPharazonV: I've already seen several reviews and comments that Blizzard would be foolish not to hire him... or her, not sure
ArPharazonV: I've read "she" somewhere I think...
VardaValar1: I see the she on the bottom comment of the second one. He elsewhere.

Return of the King movie
RP's (role-playing text story) by Orodreth/Pallando
"Fellowship of Friends" Falathar's RP on our forum
"Guild-wide Story" (talk continues past other RP talk)
"Scouting Ahead" group story on our forum, our current official RP.

ArPharazonV: oh, by the way, I saw Return of the King on tv this week :-) odd to watch with Dutch subtitles for a change!
VardaValar1: hehe
VardaValar1: Did they do pretty well with the subtitles?
ArPharazonV: my dvds have Dutch subtitles in the options too, but I always prefer the English ones
ArPharazonV: well, they're as good as you might expect.. not really outstanding... some of the names did *not* need translation in my opinion
VardaValar1: There is no reason to translate most names, as they are in Tolkien's languages.
VardaValar1: It may be related to the insanity of changing the names of other countries and cities for the local readers.
ArPharazonV: it was mostly last names like Baggins or Gamgee that were translated, and I think I saw Shadowfax translated as "Schaduwvacht"
VardaValar1: what does vacht mean? : )
ArPharazonV: and as Schaduwvacht my dad kept referring to it throughout the movie which annoyed me a bit
ArPharazonV: fur, basically
ArPharazonV: a bit odd, considering it's a white horse...
VardaValar1: Not exactly, more silver.
ArPharazonV: well
ArPharazonV: not shadowy in any case
VardaValar1: In the movie, white. : )
ArPharazonV: *nod*
VardaValar1: Nahar and Felarof were white, can kind of see it.
ArPharazonV: also, since it was not the extended edition on tv, some scenes were gone, which was a shame ;-)
VardaValar1: Pre-cut so they could add commercials.
VardaValar1: Except for a few scenes, I'd rather see the extended.
VardaValar1: Gandalf going down to the Witch-king? Nonsense!
ArPharazonV: no Aragorn looking into the Palantir, no death of Saruman, no introduction of Brego until he came across Aragorn after his fall...
ArPharazonV: Gandalf and the Witch-King, aye... Faramir and Eowyn in the Houses of Healing
VardaValar1: Too much was left out in the movie houses, and even the final cut.
ArPharazonV: I agree
VardaValar1: The leaving out of the Scouring is so wrong, really made a mess of the ending.
ArPharazonV: but even my parents got bored with the long ending, so maybe it's a good thing they left out some things there
VardaValar1: But I did like how they showed the difficulties soldiers have of fitting back into civilian life, just wasn't Tolkien.
ArPharazonV: a 1500 page book, which you don't read overnight, is hard to put in a movie you *do* want to see in one go :-)
VardaValar1: The ending was full of black spaces - makes one think it's over now.
ArPharazonV: oh, yes, I noticed that
VardaValar1: That really messes with people's expectations. O, it's done now.
ArPharazonV: "Is it over now?" "No dad, there's more scenes!" etc ;-)
VardaValar1: They really must have rushed the end editing.
VardaValar1: They should have left in the short bits showing what happened to Gimli and Legolas. They just disappear.
ArPharazonV: yep
ArPharazonV: was that the one with Gimli prospecting gems? :-)
VardaValar1: They had a wonderful clip of Gimli, and I could imagine a voice-over, that he had much gold but it did not control him
VardaValar1: That should have mentioned that he was Lord of the Glittering Caves in Rohan, under Helm's Deep.
ArPharazonV: Hmhm
VardaValar1: Would have taken only a few minutes.
VardaValar1: They had another shot of Legolas turning, inspecting the woods of Ithilien where he started an elven colony.

Pallando's rp:
ArPharazonV: hey, did we not once have an RP on some forum somewhere that started in Rohan? a number of years after Lotr?
ArPharazonV: I remember Gimli being mentioned as lord of those caves..
VardaValar1: Not Valar.
ArPharazonV: odd..
VardaValar1: Gimli is mentioned as Lord of the Glittering Caves on our art site. : )
VardaValar1: Our only RP is Scouting Ahead.
ArPharazonV: well, it was a few years back, I'd say at least 4...
ArPharazonV: when we were still meeting in bnet
ArPharazonV: I thought it was with some of our guild
VardaValar1: There were a lot of rp's and some included a few Valarites, but none were operated by the guild.
VardaValar1: Elrond was into it, I think?
AriehnV: interesting :-)
Eonwe Valar: Sounds about right.
ArPharazonV: it was on blizzforums.. just found the link in my bookmarks
VardaValar1: We have not yet taken over Blizzard. : )
ArPharazonV: I know
VardaValar1: Could you show the link?
ArPharazonV: but I thought it was run by Valarites
VardaValar1: We're working on it.
ArPharazonV: let me see... it was called Lord of the Rings RPG
ArPharazonV: sorry, the thread's already out of the forum it seems
VardaValar1: It could have been started by a Valarite or included them, but it was not an official Valar Guild rp.
ArPharazonV: oh, I never said it was official :-)
VardaValar1: We had another person who was into those also, trying to think who.
VardaValar1: Wasn't Tilion, was it?
ArPharazonV: I don't know anymore...
VardaValar1: We had one gentleman who started those up a couple of times but then would wander off and the thing would die.
ArPharazonV: been so long
Eonwe Valar: Closest we came to one before our current Scouting Ahead was the Guild-wide story.
VardaValar1: and you've been stuck in that cave so long...
ArPharazonV: I've seen a lot on the internet in the past 4 years
ArPharazonV: some things may easily slip my mind

VardaValar1: The Guild-wide story never really took off. It's still online on the Stories page under incomplete.
Eonwe Valar: Aye, it never did.
VardaValar1: If we put it on the forum, I wonder if anyone would add to it?
ArPharazonV: a guild-wide story, eh?
ArPharazonV: sounds intriguing
VardaValar1: But Scouting Ahead isn't getting much love, so I doubt the hard one would.
VardaValar1: It's still online on the Stories, Phar.

ArPharazonV: A-ha! Orodreth/Pallando started this one
ArPharazonV: a search result came up with our 2003 news page
VardaValar1: That's the culprit! aye!


ArPharazonV: search for a letter from Orodreth

Eonwe Valar: As I recall, after several people who expressed interest in the Guild-wide story then proceeded to ask to be skipped over, I decided it wasn't quite working out as hoped.
VardaValar1: aye, too much skipping, too little writing.
ArPharazonV: mid-october

Falathar's rp "Fellowship of Friends":
AriehnV: shame that this Falathilion or whats his name never got his story going .. could have been quite interesting and maye we could have linked up the two story lines .. a bit of a sinister character hmph

ArPharazonV: " Also, I have started a Lord of the Rings RPG here: It is set in 1596 S.R., or Fourth Age 175. More deatils (much more) can be found at the link."

AriehnV: mine had a lot potentioal :-)
VardaValar1: And what happened to yours, Arien? Is it still up?
Eonwe Valar: Falathilion?
AriehnV: aye that one i posted in thjere
AriehnV: i like my character there .. bit of an opportunist really , officially a spy but could go either way
AriehnV: good or bad

VardaValar1: Guild-wide story, 2 entries. bleah
ArPharazonV: I used to love playing a major character who would get corrupted and become one of the greatest opponents in the story *grin* it's why I came up with Calaron's arc, really
ArPharazonV: nowadays, that fire of mischief has died out somewhat
VardaValar1: Neat concept. Set way back in time, leave off in the middle of a sentence for the next to take over the tale.
VardaValar1: The Guild-wide was not where a person writes for his character, but takes the next part of the entire story.
ArPharazonV: it looks fun
VardaValar1: You have to handle all the characters, know your history quite well.
VardaValar1: It's intended to really use our Valarite knowledge, something not possible in most groups.
ArPharazonV: I've done a few forum-games along the lines of "continue the story" but that usually was over a few sentences at a time and never lasted long before growing out of hand..
ArPharazonV: something like this, though, could prove to be quite a challenge
VardaValar1: Apparently too much.
ArPharazonV: Heh.
Eonwe Valar: I think if I were to try and stir one of those up again, I would rather leave the old one in the past and start from scratch with a new one.
VardaValar1: I could put it on the forum and see what happens to it. But I would rather see us finish the one we are doing. It is not fair to leave it incomplete.
VardaValar1: I'll just leave it on the incomplete stories then.
ArPharazonV: this particular story seems to have quite a unique setting...
ArPharazonV: first-age-Silvan, on first glance?
VardaValar1: Reading it will let you see. : )
Eonwe Valar: I could be swayed on that perhaps, but to be honest I don't think I've even looked at it since I dropped it for lack of guild interest.
ArPharazonV: no.. Eastern Avari?
ArPharazonV: hmm....
VardaValar1: It only has two entries and it was a long time ago.
VardaValar1: My turn never came up and I forgot about it.
ArPharazonV: Tuvo the Wizard.... *thinks*
ArPharazonV: Lost Tales?
Eonwe Valar: For a guy who tends to reread over his own stories, that's probably not a good sign.
VardaValar1: It's tucked out of the way, not easy to spot.
ArPharazonV: that's probably why I never heard of it before today :-)
Eonwe Valar: Aye, Salmar used some Lost Tales info in there.
VardaValar1: I put the incomplete stuff to the side out of the way of readers, and dropped some of them.
Eonwe Valar: Er, Irmo who at the time was Salmar.
VardaValar1: wow, what a list of volunteers!
ArPharazonV: *grin* quite
VardaValar1: heh, I'm only down for webwork. : )
ArPharazonV: a Turgon and a Menelvagor?
Eonwe Valar: The intent was that each person would be drawn at random by me for the next part, single elimination (you are removed from the pool for that round after contributing).
Eonwe Valar: I guess you weren't around when we tried this then, Phar?
ArPharazonV: I was not, no
VardaValar1: Phar is a new guy. : )
ArPharazonV: I'm only 5 years member :-(
VardaValar1: If you want to be added to the pool and send in something, we can still do it. : )
Eonwe Valar: Could someone who's already looking at the GWS save me some looking and provide a link?
VardaValar1: I did earlier. : )
Eonwe Valar: I would probably send out an e-mail to the guild calling for a new pool at this point.
Eonwe Valar: Wehn then thank you twice, Varda :}
Eonwe Valar: *Well then
VardaValar1: If we really want to do it, we could do it from the forum?
VardaValar1: My pleasure.
VardaValar1: I could add the new stories into the website afterwards.
ArPharazonV: we seem to have trouble even keeping the RP going on the forum.. maybe we should raise some interest here, wait for feedback, get some people active and thinking?
VardaValar1: On the forum we can go back and mess with it.
Eonwe Valar: We could, except it's harder to make sure the next poster is who is supposed to be contributing.
VardaValar1: Phar, if anyone gets interested in the next ten, twenty years, they can send it in for inclusion. : )
ArPharazonV: Hah! true
Eonwe Valar: Scouting Ahead is a bit freer form. If we don't all post in a certain order it doesn't matter.
AriehnV: that sounds fun actually .. so if i understand it rigfht Eonwe has a list of people who would like to contribute to the story and he draws the next one out of the hat lottery style?
VardaValar1: Did that whole list say they weren't interested?
VardaValar1: Click the left frame under Writers for the list
Eonwe Valar: A large enough chunk asked me to skip to the next person to where I decided to put the whole project on indefinite hold as I recall.
Eonwe Valar: It's been a while since I've even thought of it.
VardaValar1: I wanted to just do the webwork and let the other members show their stuff.
VardaValar1: They showed a lack of interest, heh.
Eonwe Valar: You've probably asked me about the GWS before even :}
ArPharazonV: is it me, or does the Guild seem less active than it was? in non-game activity, I mean..
ArPharazonV: the bnet meetings seemed to be so much fuller in their day
Eonwe Valar: Generally, I'd say it's not you. If you have any ideas how to get people to be interested outside of their game, please share :}
ArPharazonV: just an observation... I wonder how hard it would be to get a bunch of "regular" writers for a story like this, if it was so hard even then :-)
ArPharazonV: of course, I'm not very active either... I've not read anything but Discworld in the last year... but now that I'm pretty much done there I'm planning on rereading Tolkien :-)
VardaValar1: It's less active out of game, yes.
ArPharazonV: but that doesn't mean I don't get to observe if other people aren't active either :-)
VardaValar1: I know very well that I'm having to go outside the guild for stuff for the Tolkien Site.
VardaValar1: Some of them are willing to then become "Tolkien-onlies".
Eonwe Valar: That's the tricky part: finding people who both want to game and want to contribute to our web activities.
VardaValar1: Used to be common to do both.
ArPharazonV: it would be nice if the Tolkien-only people would be somewhat more present in these meetings, though :-) could be a great resource for RP and stories etc
Eonwe Valar: Aye
Eonwe Valar: Luthienamarthiel, who is usually here, is Tolkien-only.
VardaValar1: I completely agree.
Eonwe Valar: (I think that's how her AIM name was spelled)
ArPharazonV: *nod* that's true
ArPharazonV: would be great to have more like her here though :-)
VardaValar1: AuSteinM is Tolkien-only
Eonwe Valar: :}
VardaValar1: but his was mainly space contribution
VardaValar1: At least you guys got me working on the web spot for that story again. : )
ArPharazonV: :-)
Eonwe Valar: :}
VardaValar1: Some of the things were pointing where nothing is now, like the Valar Guild gif
ArPharazonV: by the way, Varda, did you get my transcript-version last week?
ArPharazonV: I'm not sure if you got it and just didn't judge the addition I have at the end to be worth adding to the transcript already on the site..
ArPharazonV: or just never got it :-)
Eonwe Valar: WoW, the GWS got more attention than I remembered.
Eonwe Valar: WoW even
Eonwe Valar: WoW,..
Eonwe Valar: er,.. in a way that is not short for World of Warcraft..
ArPharazonV: Wow?
Eonwe Valar: I am obviously too used to typing that word in that manner..
VardaValar1: hehe
Eonwe Valar: By "got more attention" I mean it really got some webwork done for it back in the day.
ArPharazonV: Varda's use of "wowie" concerning the video earlier in the meeting brought a smile on my face :-)
VardaValar1: Pun intended : )
VardaValar1: I did try to put in the webwork as I said I would. : )
Eonwe Valar: :}
Eonwe Valar: As I said, it's been a while since I looked at this, and I'd forgotten just how much work you'd put into it. Thank you for it :}
VardaValar1: My pleasure : )
VardaValar1: See the "book cover"?
VardaValar1: I'm starting to include it for the easy-load section now, not up yet, but it shows on the frame version.
Eonwe Valar: I believe that's Finrod in the camp of the first Men to cross into Beleriand?
VardaValar1: yes
ArPharazonV: looks like it
VardaValar1: heh, Main Plot section has nothing.
Eonwe Valar: I think I'd left that up to the contributors as well. Perhaps if somehow this did rise again, or another like it, I should define the plot..
VardaValar1: I was going to put it in as it came up.
VardaValar1: I could put up what we have so far.
VardaValar1: I expected it to jump wildly. : )
Eonwe Valar: :}
VardaValar1: Did add in who the characters were so far, settings so far.
VardaValar1: ahh, does have a synopsis
Eonwe Valar: The background loos like it hinted at a plot...
Eonwe Valar: *looks
VardaValar1: aye
VardaValar1: Some sections just aren't linked in yet.
VardaValar1: I'll fix that.
VardaValar1: Mostly under the how-to, that's where they are.
Eonwe Valar: So,.. I guess the GWS counts as Tolkien discussion :}
ArPharazonV: heh
VardaValar1: Seems like it should.
VardaValar1: Phar, think you'll add to it?
ArPharazonV: I'm definitely taking it into consideration
VardaValar1: I purposely kept out of it, but beginning to think I'd better for lack of people.
ArPharazonV: my writing spirit is slowly showing its face again lately after a long cozy sleep in the back of my brain, and if it does succeed this will most likely be one of the things I'll do
VardaValar1: :-)
ArPharazonV: I even had further inspiration for some of my WoW biographies and am even looking back at the Mendara-necklace, a 6-act huge tale that I'm still hoping to finish
VardaValar1: Arien, would it interest you? It's mostly Sil and HoMe fun.
ArPharazonV: ...or even continue beyond a dozen pages
Eonwe Valar: Well if the only people that are going to add to it are those already writing in the Scouting Ahead story, seems we could focus our efforts there more, not to squash any thoughts of the GWS..
AriehnV: aye it would definitely
ArPharazonV: Can't help that right now. We only brought it up again today, and we 4 in the meeting all happen to be in Scouting Ahead
VardaValar1: We are the only ones present, so we're stuck. : )

AriehnV: lets give Scouting ahead a bit of a break Eonwe since the fire seems out of it i am afraid to say
VardaValar1: I disagree.
VardaValar1: I would love to hit the real adventure part coming up.
ArPharazonV: as I said before, it might be best to gather some suggestions and feedback from other people before endeavoring (that can't be spelled right) to bring back the GWS
Eonwe Valar: For myself, I've still been thinking over my next part for the RP.
VardaValar1: We are about to pass through the betrayal in Mirkwood and go into the ruins of Angmar to hunt the cause of the problem.
ArPharazonV: *nod* I would like to continue the RP.... maybe I should ;-)
VardaValar1: We need to get our party back on the road.
VardaValar1: It's not rocket science. : )
VardaValar1: Menel needs to show up at the meeting and we'd have most of the writers.
AriehnV: hehe aye and Fainan takes Frali than on her hrse piggy back aye? Given that Auros can condone himself to accept the dwarflings offer of his axe hehe
VardaValar1: We had intended to take Haran before; we need a dwarf to help in the ruins.
VardaValar1: Arathorn is still in LotRO, says to keep him in the overall group. [Note: Arathorn used to write the Haran dwarf character in "Scouting Ahead".]
VardaValar1: Also said he might take a look to see what I messed up on the AIM uploader page.
ArPharazonV: keep him in the overall group, eh...
ArPharazonV: just tug him along to all sorts of remote places in Middle-Earth simply because he doesn't have anything better to do with his life? ;-)
VardaValar1: He and I were playing in LotRO together yesterday. : )
VardaValar1: He is working
AriehnV: .hmm we always could find his party or his remnants somewhere on the way or he comes towards us or something like that
ArPharazonV: do you mean the overall guild, or the RP-party?
ArPharazonV: because I meant his character :-)
VardaValar1: He has to help people with computer technical problems on the phone. Needs to kill things afterwards. ;-)
VardaValar1: Overall guild. He's only LotRO right now.
ArPharazonV: Ah.
ArPharazonV: Nevermind my statement hen
ArPharazonV: *then
ArPharazonV: I thought you meant he said we were to keep him in the overal Scouting Ahead party, and that was what I was referring to :-)
VardaValar1: Hope we're all clear now.
VardaValar1: Ok, so maybe we should go look at Scouting Ahead and see how to get our guys a-horse?
ArPharazonV: ahh, the return of Quesselome..
AriehnV has left the room.
Eonwe Valar: Ok, you've convinved me. I've re-reading the last posts since mine now and then I'll be putting mine up, since I've been mulling it over long enough now.
AriehnV has entered the room.
AriehnV: meh i did it again .. grr
VardaValar1: And we can talk in here to coordinate
VardaValar1: Poor Arien : )
AriehnV: what did i miss?
VardaValar1: Hithceleb, quit munching all the grass!
VardaValar1: We need Menelvagor.
VardaValar1: We're looking at Scouting Ahead and posting together. : )
VardaValar1: Are any of you still in WoW and able to spot Menel?
ArPharazonV: currently not in WoW I'm afraid, though I know he's around somewhere...
AriehnV: nope i left the game but i can look
VardaValar1: Phar says not in WoW
ArPharazonV: sorry
ArPharazonV: I meant *I* am currently not in WoW
VardaValar1: okies
AriehnV: nope Menel is not in the game
AriehnV: just had a peep
ArPharazonV: hmm, a shame
VardaValar1: Thank you
ArPharazonV: is Eonwe making his now?
ArPharazonV: if it wraps up the conversation between Auros and Estarion the way may be open for us to depart :-)
ArPharazonV: or wait...
ArPharazonV: were we staying another night or what?
Eonwe Valar: Hmm, I notice we've got two RP posts unrelated to Scouting Ahead in the Scouting Ahead forum. Guess I should make us a separate RP forum..
VardaValar1: I'll take a look.
VardaValar1: was updating the GwS page
VardaValar1: Aye, they are completely unrelated to the topic heading.
VardaValar1: "Other RP's"?
VardaValar1: Scouting Ahead is the official guild rp, others are individuals starting them on their own.
VardaValar1: Not a bad thing to do, just not part of SA
AriehnV: fellowship of friends by Falathilion or whats his name , aye i was thinking that eonwe
AriehnV: thaft maybe a seperate RP section is necessary
ArPharazonV: oh, that was the Falathilion thing you mentioned
VardaValar1: Aye, separate is needed.
Eonwe Valar: I will set it up after posting to our story then.
VardaValar1: Flad just came online : )
fladrifv has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar: I'll also include a sticky at the top of the Scouting Ahead forum to note that's what it's for and how to join.
fladrifv: Aiya
Eonwe Valar: Heya Fladrif :}
ArPharazonV: Aiya :-)
VardaValar1: Heya : )
VardaValar1: Just added the book cover to the no-frame site for GwS.
VardaValar1: Flad, we were just starting in on "Scouting Ahead"
VardaValar1: So, like to join in the writing? : )
fladrifv: oh that could be interesting
VardaValar1: New blood might be what we need.
AriehnV: it would be fun fladrif , a good active writer more would do a realm of good
VardaValar1: And you show up to meetings pretty regularly, a big help!
VardaValar1: All of us others here are in the story already, one more thing we can have in common for chat. : )
fladrifv: aye, I will do my best
VardaValar1: That would be wonderful. : )
fladrifv: I will start to read myself into the subject first, would an ent fit the story?
Eonwe Valar: An Ent, probably not, but you need not be an Ent :}
VardaValar1: Also while you folks are on the forum, please note that I've tried to give all sections of the Tolkien Site a spot for comments, additions, and just to reach it by the link.
ArPharazonV: even I'm an Elf!
VardaValar1: We all play different characters, as we do in online gaming.
VardaValar1: And as there, some of us try to pull versions of our guild names that still fit!
VardaValar1: Creativity is us.
Eonwe Valar: The point is to try and make it believeable within Tolkien's world. If you can do that, you're probably going to be fine :}
VardaValar1: Aye!
VardaValar1: All of us here are pretty much experts on the subject, so we should be able to do it.
fladrifv: interesting never tried to be something else then an ent
VardaValar1: And we can talk to each other in AIM or on the side forum.
VardaValar1: We are currently in Mirkwood trying to reach Rivendell with our report, then go on to the ruins of Angmar.
Eonwe Valar: Note on Arien/Frali's latest part...You do realize I'm not at the Council anymore, Arien?
ArPharazonV: and don't worry about rushing or deadlines or anything, this has been going for years >.>
VardaValar1: The ruins seem to be a source of the trouble in our report.
Eonwe Valar: I ask because of something you said earlier in this channel, makes it sound like you expected a response from Auros, who took his leave already.
AriehnV: hmmm is it possible to move the post a bit ahead where it fits better?
VardaValar1: Not really.
VardaValar1: You might be able to modify your post, or say it happened earlier, or do it like a flashback.
VardaValar1: Fellowhip of Friends, is that a pun of some kind? : )
Eonwe Valar: Or, since your post does not directly address Auros, it could be assumed as a comment made to Thranduil.
VardaValar1: I'll have to ask Falathar in LotRO. : )
AriehnV: oh didnt i adress Thranduil there?
AriehnV: I thought i did :-)]
Eonwe Valar: It's also made in a dialogue to Thranduil, so safe to assume that it was directed to Thranduil and not Auros, in my opinion.
VardaValar1: Oh, Bradox pulled out of the guild, said he didn't think it was right to use Tolkien names for ourselves, and was just helping us get set up in LotRO in the early days.
VardaValar1: This was a backstory for his LotRO character, something our group doesn't generally see a need for.
VardaValar1: So there is only the one storyline running extra, by Falathar.
Eonwe Valar: Ok, but Bradox's is still not Scouting Ahead, so both will be put in the new section.
VardaValar1: Arien joined into that, so it could be called a real rp. : )
VardaValar1: Aye, sounds good.
AriehnV: yup aye good and Fralis last post is clearly addressed to Thrandruil
Eonwe Valar: OK, as I said it sounded like in an earlier comment tonight that you intended an answer from Auros.
VardaValar1: ouch. We need Menel. He started a convo with Auros.
ArPharazonV: that could be a problem, yes :-)
AriehnV: maybe i did dont know , it was a bit late to be honest or early when i made the post so either not yet awake enough or awake anymore alas
Eonwe Valar: Either way, it works how it was said, Arien :}
VardaValar1: The pony could be kept, for baggage, if you think that would let him keep up?
Eonwe Valar: The pony takes up extra time we need to use up, hehe :}
ArPharazonV: like Bill? :-)
ArPharazonV: ah, yes
ArPharazonV: long enough for the ambush to be set up!
ArPharazonV: which you do not yet know about
AriehnV: sure , and we will make a rider of that dwarf yet :-)
VardaValar1: If we need to speed up, the pony can be led or asked to follow since we have elves, and Frali can ride with lightweight Fainan.
Eonwe Valar: *speaks robotically* I know nothing of an ambush...
VardaValar1: Ambush? We have them daily from spiders of course.
ArPharazonV: 've discussed it with you, timed it with you, but nobody knows a thing *smile*
VardaValar1: We watch for them all the time, and for orcs who tend to be more clumsy.
VardaValar1: Writers know much that characters don't, or the characters would stay safely at home!
AriehnV: hehe or in bed :-)
VardaValar1: Fladrif, there's a potential character for you.
VardaValar1: My brother, Taurdirn, a cheerful and rather expressive fellow for an elf. : )
VardaValar1: Mirkwood guy
Eonwe Valar: You could tell Auros every danger that awaited him, and like the Noldo he is he'd still go out. The only difference is he'd stand there at every danger spot going "It's about time you got here!" :}
VardaValar1: He might join in due to the ambush and determine to go along to prevent further horror.
ArPharazonV: Taurdirn?
VardaValar1: hehe Eonwe
VardaValar1: We met the brother at the edge of Mirkwood
AriehnV: 'meaning .. you know my somersaults .. i have to watch the time a bit
ArPharazonV: I know, but I'm wondering what the name means
VardaValar1: or just make up something new
AriehnV: Taur .. forest
ArPharazonV: that, I got
ArPharazonV: dirn, however
VardaValar1: Forgot what I originally intended, probably a note around. But it shows Taurdirn and Taurdin, typo.
VardaValar1: Din is silent
ArPharazonV: silent forest
ArPharazonV: I guess it could go for an ent's RP name ;-)
VardaValar1: dur is dark, could fit Mirkwood :-)
VardaValar1: I have to fix the spelling in any case. : )
VardaValar1: Fladrif, the character may not be at all what you want to play. Please feel free to make up something as you like.
Eonwe Valar: We have openings for Elves here at Mirkwood and then again at Rivendell.
ArPharazonV: you could have any races coming in at Rivendell these days...
VardaValar1: Haran's dwarves are around missing somewhere if you want to mess with that. : )
Eonwe Valar: I thought Haran's Dwarves were of the "unsafe, flashing color-causing" variety? :}
VardaValar1: Auros comments: What could the Nazgul have stirred before they were unhorsed?
Eonwe Valar: Hmm, I should've used Ulairi there...
VardaValar1: We could tie that comment into the story.
VardaValar1: Ok, feel free to modify. : )
VardaValar1: Idea remains.
Eonwe Valar: :}
AriehnV: guys u sort it out its a bit late for me so sleep well , i ll read it up
Eonwe Valar: Sleep well Arien :}
VardaValar1: They may have stirred up whatever is in the ruins of Angmar, that Thranduil mentions.
Eonwe Valar: You'll have my post to read when you wake up :}
ArPharazonV: sure, I hope my transcript actually reaches Varda this time :-)
VardaValar1: Good night, Arien : )
AriehnV: Namarie for now :-) will do
VardaValar1: Thanks, Phar : )
AriehnV has left the room.
VardaValar1: The brother let slip: The ancient evil rises as the Nazgul seem to have called for aid while they are abroad."
VardaValar1: It makes sense. If Dol Guldur is no longer being tenanted by the Nazgul, and they have to do nothing but Ring-hunt, their old work needs something to help.
VardaValar1: So they "turned on" the artifact in Angmar, maybe stirring up some of the shades too.
VardaValar1: The ones that are evil spirits that inhabit the dead of the Barrows are still around.
VardaValar1: Thus we have the spirit Calaron met? Or another?
VardaValar1: Calaron did manage to prevent the shot from being lethal.
VardaValar1: He is not as defeated as the spirit may think.
ArPharazonV: I'm not sure if we ever decided if what came to Calaron was an actual spirit, or some dying sorceror/necromancer type character who used a lesser ring (not one of the 20) to transfer his fea
ArPharazonV: hmm, did I include the ring in my posts, or was I still planning to amend them?
VardaValar1: The spirit could easily have been a necromancer type?
VardaValar1: It says "spirit"
ArPharazonV: well, yes
VardaValar1: I'm having to remind myself of the plot too, making a running synopsis here.
ArPharazonV: it does transfer the spirit, but whether he was just spirit to begin with I'm not sure....
ArPharazonV: he could be, though
ArPharazonV: let me check my latest Calaron-post
VardaValar1: The report at Thranduil's says
VardaValar1: a lot.
ArPharazonV: And now its time had come, for it had planted the ring before him when Calaron was busy in the Northlands, though he had no memory of picking it up. But there the small thing had been, buried deep in his pocket, creating a link for the old sorcerer to complete the plan.
VardaValar1: March 25
ArPharazonV: "it had planted the ring" seems odd for something that's just spirit at the time
ArPharazonV: the old sorcerer also is an interesting mention
VardaValar1: ok, so it is an elf necromancer/sorceror?
VardaValar1: sorceror
VardaValar1: Minions could do it.
ArPharazonV: it was not an elf at the time, I'm inclined to think he was human or perhaps a particularly gifted orc
ArPharazonV: but it took over an elf recently ;-)
VardaValar1: It will make a difference in how it acts.
VardaValar1: And did the previous elf affect its behavior or just its information?
ArPharazonV: it was a minion of Sauron, a somewhat high officer in the northern lands, and it had possession of a lesser ring
ArPharazonV: as for "recently" I meant he took over Calaron, sorry
VardaValar1: It goes with the report at Thranduil's halls anyway. : )
VardaValar1: They were grumbling that the Witch-king had sent orders to his old minions, long-hidden deep in their old haunts of Angmar, to come out with morgul-knowledge and add to the horrors in Mirkwood.
ArPharazonV: so before the whole possession-event at the western outpost, he was either a spirit, or a man/orc sending over his spirit
VardaValar1: The woods were to be retaken by strange morgul-works that would include a fear and a slow lethalness into the creeping darkness.
ArPharazonV: *nod* he could be one of these old minions
VardaValar1: These would be controlled from a deepset Angmarin ruin by an artifact to which they referred to as what translates to 'the crooked staff', and in ancient times was called "the staff of unlight"
VardaValar1: Your sorceror spirit would know all about that.
ArPharazonV: yep
ArPharazonV: which is why he'll be making his way back to Angmar after the ambush
VardaValar1: Thranduil then puts out an order
VardaValar1: "We shall watch more closely for this new enemy and his special attacks now that we know the source. Also, we must send folk to infiltrate the depths of the Angmarin ruins to find the controlling staff. These people must be good with going underground and with stealth."
VardaValar1: Namely us.
VardaValar1: He looked straight at Auros. "Will you and your party aid against this threat, even if only by sending word to Lord Elrond?"
VardaValar1: Auros says: "As I have said before, your highness, I have my mission, and I may not stray from it, even were I wont to," Auros said. "I will take any messages you wish to send to Lord Elrond, but I can do no more."
VardaValar1: So, Elrond will ignore this message? Not!
VardaValar1: Auros is liable to get sent to those ruins.
VardaValar1: Auros seems to think none of Thranduil's people will be coming with him.
VardaValar1: "However, I will not burden you to provide protection through your realm, seeing as danger comes even to your doorstep, and you have better tasks for your soldiers than to guide a scout and messenger upon a path laid clearly before his feet. The Dwarf and I shall leave at first light tomorrow morning, and make all possible haste out of this Mirkwood.
VardaValar1: There is now too little of daylight left for travel, or we would set out immediately."
VardaValar1: Fainan gets leave to go along with Auros to Rivendell, then to go on to do the investigation.
Eonwe Valar: Auros is like that, heh :}
VardaValar1: Auros and Frali figure out that an elf made the attack but that it's a weird situation.
VardaValar1: They do so independently.
ArPharazonV: Calion suspects what elf it was, but says nothing and goes with Auros to find him :-)
VardaValar1: Estarion visits Auros that night, but hasn't said what he's going to say yet, and that is holding up the story.
VardaValar1: Fainan needs to tell Auros she's coming along.
VardaValar1: Calaron hasn't said he's coming.
Eonwe Valar: Auros doesn't specifically say *Elf* I don't think, but it would have to be someone who can get by the defenses, which lends to very few other solutions, a Ring of Power being among those few, hehe.
VardaValar1: But surely he wants to investigate, and maybe he'll use his ability with animals to help check for info.
ArPharazonV: I've already told Thranduil that I will accompany Auros, but I don't think Auros knows yet, aye
VardaValar1: Auros, you're right. Just that the enemy is very familiar there.
Eonwe Valar: If Auros did suspect a Ring of Power in play, he couldn't say anything even if he wanted to.
VardaValar1: Whatever came to Thranduil's doorstep did so through knowledge. It, or perhaps they, though multiple intruders could've certainly been spotted, knew how to get this far, how to avoid the defenses, or detection in bypassing them at least. If this foe knows that much, the roads through Mirkwood are even less safe,
fladrifv has left the room.
VardaValar1: More importantly though, with such an obvious advantage, why did the enemy not press the attack? Why settle for a wounded maiden?
fladrifv has entered the room.
VardaValar1: More importantly though, with such an obvious advantage, why did the enemy not press the attack? Why settle for a wounded maiden?
fladrifv: namarie all
Eonwe Valar: Take care Fladrif :}
VardaValar1: Namarie!
fladrifv has left the room.
VardaValar1: ok, so we need to go tell Auros we're coming
Eonwe Valar: Or show up suddenly as he prepares to leave :}
VardaValar1: Then take off early in the morning.
VardaValar1: Run into the ambush.
VardaValar1: Go to Rivendell.
VardaValar1: Then go to Angmar.
ArPharazonV: yep
ArPharazonV: that's the plan
VardaValar1: Should the Angmar quest be considered a new rp, a sequel?
VardaValar1: It's no longer scouting ahead exactly, but acting on the scouted info.
VardaValar1: This one should probably end when Auros reports to Elrond.
ArPharazonV: in that case I'll have to resist really hard to make a "Next time, Gadget!" joke with Calaron as he won't be coming back after the ambush until part 2 ;-)
VardaValar1: :-)
VardaValar1: Foreshadowing?
VardaValar1: Calaron is very involved since his brother has been taken by the enemy and they could free him from possession.
ArPharazonV: don't mix up their names :-)
VardaValar1: Too late. :-)
VardaValar1: Calion : )
ArPharazonV: right!
VardaValar1: You only talk about Calaron, makes it tough. : )
ArPharazonV: since Calaron is my main WoW character, that's going to be confusing for me too
ArPharazonV: yeah, Calion's been a bit on the background
VardaValar1: He has strong motivation to do things now.
ArPharazonV: my plans for Calaron are largely set out, for Calion less so as he will be interacting with the party more
VardaValar1: Ok, so we are done planning for the night?
ArPharazonV: besides, Calaron's evil now, which is always interesting to think about
VardaValar1: So, you want Calaron to accidentally kill off Calion and just be around short times to say bad guy stuff?
ArPharazonV: nah
VardaValar1: okies
ArPharazonV: I've lost the bad guy shtick over the past few years.. the death scene will most likely be the other way around
VardaValar1: Fladrif didn't say what character he wanted to play yet.
ArPharazonV: in a way I'll be glad when I can focus on one character again and just go with the flow :-)
VardaValar1: That is your plot arc to sweat over. : )
Eonwe Valar: Ok, fill the belly of your eyes on the feast which is my latest post :}
VardaValar1: heeh
ArPharazonV: I'm losing my desire to be in the spotlight, so it'll be fun to wrap this arc up... I have a sequel in mind, but for that we'll need to have decided where to go after Angmar
Eonwe Valar: OK, maybe not so much "feast" as "midnight snack" but it should still be filling :}
VardaValar1: hehe - horseless
VardaValar1: I wasn't planning on anything past Angmar, actually.
VardaValar1: Thought we could end it after we report the destruction of the artifact to Elrond and Thranduil.
ArPharazonV: perhaps
VardaValar1: That way we are working towards something.
ArPharazonV: yep
ArPharazonV: if that time comes I might set up a line of fan fiction of my own, concerning the "sequel"
ArPharazonV: I'm toying with the concept of the idea of Calion finding the ring after Calaron's death and seeking to avenge him by having it destroyed... and therefore he travels to the northern mountains to seek out a dragon ;-)
Eonwe Valar: Most of what I have in mind for Auros Outside of the "Scouting Ahead" story arc consists of his past rather than his future at the moment.
ArPharazonV: you know, where Smaug came from.... I believe the region and its dragons also play a part in one of the rts games.. what was it called? BfME?
Eonwe Valar: the Northern Wastes where Melkor's realm used to spread.
Eonwe Valar: The Withered Heath?
VardaValar1: My post is up.
ArPharazonV: hmm...
ArPharazonV: would have to get a book with a map
VardaValar1: Dragon, a bit cliche? : )
Eonwe Valar: The Withered heath is north of Erebor, but I'm pretty sure all the Northern Wastes are supposedly full of dragons.
ArPharazonV: yeah, the Withered Heath
VardaValar1: We can start another section after Angmar. : )
ArPharazonV: and the Northern Wastes, sure :-)
VardaValar1: The vengeance can be worked in with the
VardaValar1: Angmar story
ArPharazonV: finding a dragon to have him breath on a ring, Varda? :-)
ArPharazonV: haven't heard that one before ;-)
Eonwe Valar: At least he doesn't need one that can breath fire hot enough to melt the One Ring.
VardaValar1: Your story is going to leave the rest of the party pretty much out, I think?
ArPharazonV: that was the main problem, yes, and its continuation would therefore depend on a decision where to go next
ArPharazonV: but it was only a fun idea to toy with, I won't be sad if I can't execute it
VardaValar1: The dragon might come to the ruins when the staff is destroyed, and you can trick him into destroying the ring? : )
VardaValar1: That would make it a sequel to the one we are currently in where we set up Calion's need to destroy the ring.
ArPharazonV: true
VardaValar1: Anyway, I've posted.
Eonwe Valar: Hmm, assuming Rivendell was perfectly safe, Auros would probably head east and/or south to Mirkwood or (more likely) Lothlorien to fight. I don't think he'd want to miss out on the last great war the Elves will fight in.
VardaValar1: That could be the sequel
VardaValar1: The staff is a danger to Rivendell, too near.
Eonwe Valar: Similar to how Mablung and Beleg were permitted to go to war in the First Age despite Doriath itself sitting out the fight.
VardaValar1: The northern area is in need of protection. Mirkwood and Lorien team up to destroy the forces of Dol Guldur.
VardaValar1: Lorien was attacked what, three times!
Eonwe Valar: Aye
VardaValar1: Lots of battle to play with. : )
VardaValar1: Phar, going to post tonight or another time?
ArPharazonV: another time
ArPharazonV: I might even try to get Menel to post first
VardaValar1: ok, then. Nighty night all!
Eonwe Valar: I think my post turned out better than I'd hoped. Tonight was a good night to post it methinks.
ArPharazonV: :-)
Eonwe Valar: Sleep well :}
VardaValar1: It was a good one!
ArPharazonV: be that as it may, I'm not sure what I would post at this point..
ArPharazonV: this clearing is getting awfully crowded :-)
Eonwe Valar: hehe
Eonwe Valar: I read your post, btw Varda :}
VardaValar1: I'm not in the clearing, just at the edge. : )
VardaValar1: Only ones in the clearing are Auros and Estarion.
VardaValar1: You could come to where Fainan is watching?
ArPharazonV: perhaps
VardaValar1: Pardon, Calion could.
ArPharazonV: I'll think about it
ArPharazonV: hehe
VardaValar1: okies : )
ArPharazonV: by the way
ArPharazonV: Frali and Fainan and Calion know of each other that they're going to go with Auros, right?
ArPharazonV: they were all there with the King still
VardaValar1: checking
VardaValar1: Frali states his intention to Thranduil
Eonwe Valar: That's the assumption, aye. Auros probably left earlier than anyone else.
Eonwe Valar: Anyone else of our group, anyway.
VardaValar1: Frali's might be before Auros left
VardaValar1: because of a comment
Eonwe Valar: The attack on the Elf-maiden was more Mirkwood business than anything else, and only bears relation to Auros' mission in that someone struck that deep into Thrnaduil's realm and was not caught.
VardaValar1: um
Eonwe Valar: Hmm?
VardaValar1: Scream, Frali remains. Auros, Fainan, Calion investigate.
VardaValar1: Then the info that Thranduil wanted to tell about, the Staff of Unlight.
VardaValar1: We are all there for that, I believe?
Eonwe Valar: Aye, we were all there for the UNlgith talk.
Eonwe Valar: *Unlight staff talk.
VardaValar1: Calion states to Thranduil that he will escort Auros
VardaValar1: and perhaps beyond.
Eonwe Valar: Auros probably heard Calion then,..
VardaValar1: That he can better defend Mirkwood out there against this.
VardaValar1: Fainan makes her statement right after Calion's.
ArPharazonV: I know Calion came into the meeting later than the rest of the party but apparently I was in time to hear the "report about Angmar" so I think Calion knows about the staff
Eonwe Valar: I would say simply that due to post order, Auros knows Fainan and Calion are comign with him.
Eonwe Valar: He assumed Frali would come with him since Frali has a mission of his own to Rivendell.
VardaValar1: Frali's post is almost a flashback because of this comment
VardaValar1: When his erstwhile companions started talking about continuing the journey, Fral' s face lit up and, turning to the Elven King, he said shyly to Thrandruil: "If you allow, Sire, I will continue the journey
ArPharazonV: also, Calion and Fainan are still there to know Frali's coming, even if Auros doesn't know :-)
VardaValar1: Auros, however, as he leaves, seems only to know of himself and Frali.
VardaValar1: He may be assuming Frali is coming, rather than having heard him.
Eonwe Valar: Aye, Auros assumed Frali was coming.
Eonwe Valar: There was no reason to doubt it given he knew Frali had business in Rivendell.
VardaValar1: okies
VardaValar1: Since he is unaware of the others, he left before the others made their statements of intention?
Eonwe Valar: I suppose it could be read like that, aye.
Eonwe Valar: The oder of events in that case would be that Auros left right before...
Eonwe Valar: *order
VardaValar1: I'm trying to figure it out so we know if Auros knows we're coming. We seem to all be going to the clearing to tell him.
Eonwe Valar: "After hearing the report about Angmar and Auros' speech to the King, Calion stood up. He asked for permission to speak, excused himself to the court standing there, and said that he would, with the King's leave, still accompany Auros to the western edge of Mirkwood and perhaps beyond."
VardaValar1: So Calion is after Auros left, possibly.
VardaValar1: Calion is higher-ranking, so Fainan would defer to let him speak first.
Eonwe Valar: That's where having these delays in posting gets a bit awkward. Some don't quite move us forward like they should.
VardaValar1: Aye, reason we need to get together at meetings like this to post. :-)
Eonwe Valar: We get a nice order going and then boom, one post throws it off and we're wondering what order we should be reading these in now :}
VardaValar1: Yay us!
ArPharazonV: I feel responsible >.>
VardaValar1: Ok, so we have a meeting in the clearing, sleep fast, then take off early in the morning.
Eonwe Valar: I'm sure we've all done it at least once in the process of this RP.
VardaValar1: Absolutely. : )
ArPharazonV: :-)
VardaValar1: And will do so again.
ArPharazonV: absolutely!
VardaValar1: hehe
VardaValar1: ok, I'm off this time. : )
ArPharazonV: anyway, I'm off too
ArPharazonV: nearing 3 am here
VardaValar1: Sleeeeep!
ArPharazonV: parents won't be happy if they find out *grin*
Eonwe Valar: Ok, you two better escape this time or I'll make you talk about the RP more :}
ArPharazonV: saving and sending