Valar Guild

August 10, 2008 Meeting

5pm EST (GMT - 5); (GMT = 22:00)
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Ar-Pharazon and Varda

Attending: (5)
    ArPharazonV, arwenv1, Eonwe Valar, fladrifv, Gilraen-(V)/Star of Phaet, VardaValar1 (presiding)

Meeting begins
    Ar-Pharazon returned from vacation and is unpacking.
    Gilraen and Gwaihir moved into their new house.
    More entries needed from actual members.
    Total Annihilation Kingdoms, expansion called The Iron Plague.
    Guild Wars
       Lothar server: runs in Blood Furnace and the Ramparts.
       Revisions made in some practices to handle the increase of instance and raid running.
        Beleg joins Ancalagon in Warlord status.
    How Tolkien's "notes" of history showed up in The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings.
    Members recited some of Tolkien's poetry by memory.

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ArPharazonV (4:49:46 PM) has entered the room.
ArPharazonV (4:50:26 PM): Aiya!
ArPharazonV: in wsg right now, but it'll be my last :-)
VardaValar1: Aiya :-)
VardaValar1: I show 10 minutes yet, np.
Eonwe Valar has entered the room.
Star of Phaet has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar: Guten Tag.
Eonwe Valar: Heya Gilraen. Been a while :}
Star of Phaet: Hey there. It has.
Eonwe Valar: How are you and Gwaihir doing?
VardaValar1: Aiya :-)
Star of Phaet: we're good. we moved house a couple of weeks ago, so we're still settling in and stuff.
Eonwe Valar: Cool and congrats :}
VardaValar1: That is major for you two!
VardaValar1: Great that you have internet now. : )
Eonwe Valar: Pardon, afk for a moment.
VardaValar1: Menelvagor safely away and on the next leg of his trip?
VardaValar1: Sure, haven't started yet.
Star of Phaet: I believe so
VardaValar1: Ok, starting invites. I put out the call in LotRO, and they can pass on comments through me.
VardaValar1: Not as good as being here, but kind of a Bridge. :-)
arwenv1 has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya Arwen. : )
arwenv1: Aiya :-)
ArPharazonV: hmm, only need to retrieve our flag and we win... nearly done!
VardaValar1: Go Phar!
Eonwe Valar: Back
VardaValar1: Aiyata
Eonwe Valar: Hantal
ArPharazonV: ahh, finally..
ArPharazonV: ok, ready for meeting!
VardaValar1: Good to hear. Who is present now?
Eonwe Valar: I am.
VardaValar1: 25 minutes past starting time, so this is probably it for now.
Star of Phaet: Me too. but it is almost dinner time, so I will probably be scrolling shortly

VardaValar1: Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo!
ArPharazonV: Fladrif was online earlier tonight, but not at the moment
VardaValar1: Membership:
VardaValar1: Currently we stand at 140 total members of all kinds.
VardaValar1: 118 are gamers.
VardaValar1: 22 are Tolkien-onlies.
VardaValar1: Gorlim, Beleg, and Lindir are currently online in LotRO.
VardaValar1: Fangorn, Bilbo, Elwing, and Eowyn are currently online in WoW, as is Arwen who is also here. Thanks Arwen. : )
VardaValar1: We need to work on adding more members.
VardaValar1: Please remember that everyone is a scout, and a representative of the Valar Guild.
VardaValar1: Don't expect all recruiting for the whole guild to be done by only one person. It doesn't work well.
VardaValar1: Potential members are courteous and have read LotRO or in the process.
VardaValar1: They can be invited to the friend channels and meetings, given our site for enjoying Tolkien fun stuff and any gaming help we have up.
VardaValar1: If you aren't a tester, you can call on one in-game or at an AIM meeting.
VardaValar1: We can cut a lot of slack in the test if you recommend the person as true Valar material.
Eonwe Valar: Aye, and the reason we meet on AIM is to give our members a chance to meet and get together no matter what game world they hail from.
VardaValar1: Including those who are strictly Tolkien-only.
Eonwe Valar: That was the hope when we moved here from
VardaValar1: We also hold meetings on AIM with officers present so that anyone may approach us weekly to voice concerns and suggestions.
VardaValar1: Any comments?
VardaValar1: I still don't take "Frodo is an orc." :-)
VardaValar1: But if they can show they read it, that is good.
Eonwe Valar: And hopefully get a few key elements right.
ArPharazonV: pff
VardaValar1: Right.
Eonwe Valar: I think we've usually been fairly generous during Tolkien tests.
ArPharazonV: everyone knows Frodo is an ent
VardaValar1: hehe - just ask Fladrif.
VardaValar1: If they obviously haven't read it, but claim they have, that is of course a moral thing and tells us we don't really want them.
VardaValar1: If they are just rusty, they can pick it up.
VardaValar1: If there are no further comments,
VardaValar1: on to Web:
Eonwe Valar: Oh
VardaValar1: Go ahead, Eonwe.
Eonwe Valar: Make sure we get some sort of contact info from these members too, of course. We'd like them to know they are and be part of the Valar Guild as a whole.
Eonwe Valar: They can't get important Guild mails if we don't have an e-mail to contact them.
VardaValar1: That is for when they are members and should go on a recruiting report.
VardaValar1: Scouts are our first line of both contact and defense.
VardaValar1: We don't want someone coming in just to loot the vault, kinhouse chest, for instance.

VardaValar1: On to Web:
VardaValar1: We need more input from actual Valarites, rather than picking up reprints from outside.
VardaValar1: Also, some groups use the forum so members can put up stories and articles without going through someone else. Seems to work pretty well.
VardaValar1: The stories and articles can then be picked up and cleaned up for the main website. I would do that part, most likely.
VardaValar1: If this is an idea that our people would like, let me know and we'll put up a section for it in the forum.
VardaValar1: Also, I need to know how to find out how much space we have on the forum.
VardaValar1: Any further comment?
VardaValar1: Eonwe had to step away a moment. : )
VardaValar1: We also need to help Eonwe keep the Games page updated so that it can be relevant and useful.
VardaValar1: Whatever we want to see in a Games page, we need to mention and help out with.
VardaValar1: Would we rather keep most of such info on the Forum?
VardaValar1: Email responses to Varda and Eonwe are welcome. Email addresses are on the Membership page.
VardaValar1: We also need to make better use of the Forum for sign-ups for instance runs.
VardaValar1: People who sign up will have preference.
VardaValar1: People can mention if they are on standby, especially if they have trouble knowing schedules ahead of time.

VardaValar1: On to Gaming:
VardaValar1: Has anyone played anything besides WoW or LotRO this week?
ArPharazonV: yep
VardaValar1: Go ahead, Phar. : )
ArPharazonV: I finally got my hands on the expansion to Total Annihilation: Kingdoms, called The Iron Plague
ArPharazonV: TA:K has always been one of my favorite RTSes, and so far the experience is turning into a very welcome blast from the past with a few twists: the missions are already much harder, and the new race is challenging to play with :-)
ArPharazonV: oh, and I've done some Guild Wars too, but nothing very substantial, after all, I only returned friday evening from vacation
ArPharazonV: and that concludes my report!
VardaValar1: Thank you, Phar! That sounds like a lot for just returning.
ArPharazonV: :-) well, I've done some unpacking etc too, of course ;-)
VardaValar1: You and Gilraen both. : )
VardaValar1: WoW news:
VardaValar1: Phar, have you seen any other Valar since you came back Friday? Doubt you had much time. :-)
VardaValar1: Arien says she plans to schedule at least two times a week on Argent Dawn, so you should be seeing here there as well as on Bloodhoof.
ArPharazonV: hmm, don't think so
VardaValar1: Valandil may need help with AIM problems, if you see him.
ArPharazonV: allright
VardaValar1: Has anyone seen Menelvagor? He may still be in Ohio, and I don't know if he has computer access.
Eonwe Valar: I was under the impression he'd be on his way home by now, but I may have misunderstodd.
Eonwe Valar: *misunderstood
VardaValar1: Glad you made it back ok, Phar. :-)
VardaValar1: He may be. I've lost track of his time schedule.
VardaValar1: He intends to be back on Argent Dawn, as the American servers are terrible for him for raid times.
ArPharazonV: okidoki
VardaValar1: Eonwe, do you have a WoW report?
Lothar server:
Eonwe Valar: I'm afraid I was kept away from my computer this Friday. I know we had a trip into Ramparts and then the Blood Furnace done earlier in the week..
Eonwe Valar: by Sauron, Bilbo, Fangorn, Elwing, and possibly a fifth.
VardaValar1: Eowyn
Eonwe Valar: I had hoped to be that fifth, then upon seeing lag spikes decided not to subject the group to chances of a wipe.
VardaValar1: I'm happy to report that Eowyn has indeed been gaming and on the Ramparts runs, and others.
VardaValar1: She is better enough to be able to sit up to the computer now, for which we are very grateful.
ArPharazonV: good, good
ArPharazonV: grateful that she's able to sit up or that she's able to join you gaming? :-)
VardaValar1: Both.
VardaValar1: She also plays LotRO. : )
VardaValar1: The recent hurricane downgraded to a tropical storm and has been giving some problems to some companies, maybe to Eonwe's as well.
VardaValar1: Uldaman server for Horde had some activity, can't think of which days, from Elwing, Varda, and Eowyn.
VardaValar1: LotRO:
VardaValar1: We now have the uber trophy in our kinship house's front yard, the blade of the balrog.
VardaValar1: It's too big to fit inside our halls. Looks great. : )
ArPharazonV: grats
VardaValar1: Thanks
VardaValar1: Eonwe also popped into Uldaman, pardon. : )
VardaValar1: In LotRO, we have made some revisions in our setup.
VardaValar1: The kinhouse chests up to this weekend were mostly for crafting, leveling-up items.
VardaValar1: Now we are shifting the emphasis to aids for instance and raid runs.
VardaValar1: A number of Grand Master crafters have already added a collection of wonderful items including potions and tokens and stat foods.
VardaValar1: Thank you's go to Irmo and Miriel, Beleg, and Meriadoc. : )
VardaValar1: More things come in all the time, but I don't always know the contributors.
VardaValar1: We are working with another group so that we can run the Rift raids weekly, probably starting Fridays and going into Saturdays.
VardaValar1: We have enough people now so that we can run the 6-mans, and are good enough to run some 6-mans with three. : )
VardaValar1: I've also instituted the title of Warlord for members in LotRO who are willing to help organize people into group runs of all sorts.
VardaValar1: Currently Ancalagon and Beleg have that title.
VardaValar1: This is not to be confused with Honor titles which are guild-wide, in all games and places, such as Maia and Vala.
VardaValar1: This is for one game branch only. Outside, they are still regular Full Members.
VardaValar1: We also have a nice-sized crowd in our friend channel, and nearly all have top level characters.
VardaValar1: Any additions to the gaming report from anyone?
VardaValar1: comments?
VardaValar1: On to Tolkien.
VardaValar1: one sec
VardaValar1: Report in from Beleg in LotRO
VardaValar1: Only 9k to go on Ring-lore to open the world event. :-)
VardaValar1: We could expect it to open today or tomorrow.
VardaValar1: I plan to run my 3 characters later today to help with it.

VardaValar1: On to Tolkien:
VardaValar1: In Tolkien's notes, a huge amount of space is devoted to Elves.
VardaValar1: Yet they are mainly background and lesser characters in his books: The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings.
VardaValar1: How did he retain some of the elf note background in those two books?
ArPharazonV: elf.. note.. background?
VardaValar1: The Silmarillion, Unfinished Tales, and Histories of Middle-earth were just his notes.
ArPharazonV: so... references to those "notes" in the other 2 books, or am I misunderstanding you?
VardaValar1: Yes.
VardaValar1: The others are notes of JRRT's compiled by his son.
ArPharazonV: well, there are references to Varda/Elbereth in their songs and sayings
ArPharazonV: or wait, we're talking elf-background... nevermind
VardaValar1: Be a bit forward of me to bring up that topic, eh, Phar? : )
VardaValar1: How about Elrond's refuge?
ArPharazonV: while prominent in both books, Elrond's refuge doesn't, I think, give much information about the other books
ArPharazonV: best guess would be the songs, like the one about Earendil.. del... I never know how it's spelled
VardaValar1: Aye, like most of the stuff, it's background use.
Eonwe Valar: Elrond tells of the the Last Alliance and the War against Sauron.
VardaValar1: Later version is Earendil, earlier version is Earendel.
Eonwe Valar: He also mentions he's lived through two ages of the world, giving a sense of history that goes beyond the current tale.
VardaValar1: Galadriel's Lothlorien too, shows a far-back time.
VardaValar1: Ok, open it up to any use of the "notes" or history, not just elvish.
ArPharazonV: Aragorn's song about Beren and Luthien?
VardaValar1: Aragorn's warcry of "Earendil" such as Phar mentioned.
VardaValar1: Aye, Phar. : )
VardaValar1: I need to start cooking supper for company.
VardaValar1: It appears everyone's mind is elsewhere, so I'll call it here.
ArPharazonV: I believe there was a character with a dream about a wall of water drowning the land which looks back to the Akallabeth but I'm not sure if it's Faramir or Eowyn..
VardaValar1: *bangs gavel*
VardaValar1: Namarie
Eonwe Valar: Take care Varda.
ArPharazonV: Namarie!
ArPharazonV: enjoy your meal
VardaValar1: :-)
VardaValar1 has left the room.
Eonwe Valar: Ok, now it's time to start reciting Tolkien poetry off the top of our heads... And no cheating using the "all that is gold does not glitter.." once. That's too easy :}
Eonwe Valar: once = one
Eonwe Valar: Gil-Galad was an Elven-King.
Eonwe Valar: Of him the Harpers sadly sing.
Eonwe Valar: The last whose realm was fair and free
ArPharazonV: where's that from?
Eonwe Valar: between the Mountains and the Sea.
Eonwe Valar: His spear was long and his lance was keen.
Eonwe Valar: Hmm, Fellowship of the Ring I know for certain. Trying to think of what chapter.
Eonwe Valar: *Might* be "Shadow of the Past" or "Many Meetings."
ArPharazonV: hmmm
Eonwe Valar: I was wrong..
Eonwe Valar: "A Knife in the Dark"
ArPharazonV: well, it's still Fellowship!
Eonwe Valar: Aye :}
Eonwe Valar: For some reason, my memory always get stuck after the first line of the second verse.
Eonwe Valar: I also for some reason remember it being longer.
ArPharazonV: hehe
Eonwe Valar: Maybe it gets stuck there because of a differing version in HoME or something.
Eonwe Valar: I also for some reason remember the rhyme scheme changing in the second verse, but oh well. Just means I need to read LotR yet again.
Eonwe Valar: Or maybe for some reason The Fall of GIl-Galad is getting mixed in with Frodo's Ode to Gandalf.
Eonwe Valar: Time to defrag my brain if that's the case :}
Eonwe Valar: Anyway, someone else's turn to quote some Tolkien poetry from memory! Any volunteers?:}
Eonwe Valar: Aw, you're no fun :}
ArPharazonV: ehrr.... well, apart from the "all that is gold does not glitter"/"Three Rings for Elven Kings Under the sky"/"seek the sword that was broken" poems...
ArPharazonV: I don't know that many
Eonwe Valar: Heh, I knew I'd forgotten to rule out a poem (The Rings one) :}
Eonwe Valar: You could've got away with it too until you mentioned it :}
ArPharazonV: hehe
Eonwe Valar: Go with the sword that was broken one.
ArPharazonV: hmm, how did that one go again...
Eonwe Valar: Hehe, that's what you're supposed to be telling us :}
ArPharazonV: you know, it's been too long, I'll just listen to your poetry
Eonwe Valar: Hehe
ArPharazonV: I'm too much into Discworld these days to remember much details from Tolkien, but I'll be coming back to it after I've caught up on Discworld no doubt ;-)
Eonwe Valar: Ok, let's see if I remember the sword that was broken one.
Eonwe Valar: hehe
ArPharazonV: go for it!
Eonwe Valar: Seek for the sword that was broken.
Eonwe Valar: In Imladris it dwells.
Eonwe Valar: There councils will be taken.
Eonwe Valar: More powerful than morgul-spells.
ArPharazonV: (there shall be counsels taken stronger than morgul-spells)
ArPharazonV: (but close!)
Eonwe Valar: I thought it was stronger, but doubted myself at the last moment because it sounded awkward.
ArPharazonV: :-)
Eonwe Valar: I didn't even remember there was a second half until I looked in the book to check myself, so that's as far as I can get there :}
ArPharazonV: something with... isildur's bane.... and the halfing forth shall stand...
Eonwe Valar: Ash nazg durbatuluk
Eonwe Valar: Ash nazg gimbatul
ArPharazonV: there shall be shown a token
ArPharazonV: that doom is near at hand
Eonwe Valar: Ash nazg thrakatuluk, ag burzum ishi krimpatul.
ArPharazonV: for isildur's bane shall waken...
ArPharazonV: and the halfling forth shall stand
Eonwe Valar: Aye.
Eonwe Valar: Ok, one second, and we'll see if I can remember this next one.
Eonwe Valar: Ok, here's a fun one.
Eonwe Valar: When evening in the Shire was grey, his footsteps on the hill were heard.
Eonwe Valar: Before the dawn he went away on journey long without a word.
Eonwe Valar: From Wilderland to Western shore, from Northern waste to southern hill
Eonwe Valar: through dragon-lair and hidden door and darkling woods he walked at will.
Eonwe Valar: With Dwarves and Hobbits, Elves, and Men, with mortal and immortal folk,
Eonwe Valar: with bird on bow and beast in den, in their own secret tongues he spoke.
Eonwe Valar: A deadly sword, a healing hand, a back that bent beneath its load.
Eonwe Valar: A trumpet voice, a burning brand, a weary pilgrim on the road.
Eonwe Valar: A lord of wisdom throned he sat, quick to anger, swift to laugh.
Eonwe Valar: an old man in a battered hat who leaned upon a thorny staff.
Eonwe Valar: He stood upon the bridge alone and Fire and Shadow both defied
Eonwe Valar: His staff was broken on the stone. In Khazad-Dum his wisdom died.
Eonwe Valar: And I think I'll leave the poetry at that. :}
ArPharazonV: definitely a poem about Gandalf but otherwise I can't place it
ArPharazonV: did Frodo write it, you said?
Eonwe Valar: Frodo wrote it, aye.
Eonwe Valar: In Lothlorien, chapter "The Mirror of Galadriel."
ArPharazonV: hmmm
Eonwe Valar: For 5 Tolkien Points, everyone better know who wrote the optional last part...
Eonwe Valar: "Finest rockets every seens, they burst in stars of blue and green..." :}
Eonwe Valar: *ever seen
ArPharazonV: hmm, I remember it from the movie as belonging to Sam but I can't be sure it was him in the book :-)
Eonwe Valar: It was, of course :}
Eonwe Valar: Don't recall that being in the movies myself :}
ArPharazonV: oh, I do... I remember his voice saying the lines :-)
ArPharazonV: I just didn't know it was in the books as well!
arwenv1 has left the room.
ArPharazonV: well, I'll be off
ArPharazonV: saving and sending