Valar Guild

April 20, 2008 Meeting

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Ar-Pharazon, Fladrif, and Varda

Attending: (10)
    Members: Amaranth-(V)/ Hobbitlass19, AriehnV, arwenv1, Eonwe Valar (presiding), fladrifv, Glorfindel VG, Menelvagor Valar, Olwe-(V)/ FallenGlory, VardaValar1
    Friends: LaurealasseHelka
    New transcripter needed during the summer while Ar-Pharazon is on vacation.
    Pidgin might be a good cross-platform program for those of us whose OS can't handle the new AIM update.
Meeting begins
    Ar-Pharazon (see Before-meeting)
    Eonwe and the storm
    New member: Lindir-(V)
    War Wind, War Wind II
    Glorfindel's topic: Who's more beautiful: Arwen or Galadriel
    Eonwe's topic: Pride in LotR. Who exibits it? Why is it that person's downfall?

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ArPharazonV: Aiya all
Eonwe Valar: Heya
arwenv1 has entered the room.
ArPharazonV: I know I was supposed to post, but it's been a hectic week, so I'll try again next week :-)
Hobbitlass19: Hey, everyone
Eonwe Valar: It's been quite a week her eas well, Phar. No worries.
Eonwe Valar: *here as well
Eonwe Valar: As far as I can tell, all my invites went through this week.
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VardaValar1: Aiya
Eonwe Valar: Heya :}
Hobbitlass19: Hi, Varda
Eonwe Valar: Was beginning to wonder if that storm Thursday went down your way.
VardaValar1: Sorry for the tardiness. Sure glad you were here!
Eonwe Valar: I was just about to begin the meeting. Give me one sec and we'll begin.
VardaValar1: Eonwe has the gavel tonight. : )
VardaValar1: Has anyone had more trouble with AIM?
AriehnV has entered the room.
AriehnV: Aiya alltogether
Eonwe Valar: I haven't. Forgot to upgrade after last week.
VardaValar1: Hiya : )
Eonwe Valar: But it looks like my invites went through.
ArPharazonV: no trouble here.... and still no upgrade ;-)
VardaValar1: We all seem to live dangerously.
ArPharazonV: oh, and I can't stay here for long, gotta get up early
VardaValar1: Question is, can the ones who upgraded get with us?
ArPharazonV: this'll mostly be the case in the next month
VardaValar1: I have a raid in an hour : )
ArPharazonV: and after that, I'll be absent for a month
VardaValar1: yipes
ArPharazonV: and then I'm home for a few weeks.. and then I'm absent for another 3 :-)
ArPharazonV: goooo summer
VardaValar1: We need to find a new transcripter!
VardaValar1: Pharazon has been our number one source of meeting transcripts.
ArPharazonV: Least I can do.
VardaValar1: I've been his backup. : )
VardaValar1: Fladrif, whilst Eonwe is busy,
VardaValar1: what is the not-AIM you are using?
VardaValar1: Phar, you get to poke Fladrif. : )
Eonwe Valar: Ok, ladies and gents, shall we begin?
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VardaValar1: Aiya Olwe : )
fladrifv: I got poked!
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Eonwe Valar: Heya Olwe
LaurealasseHelka: ((Heyas))
VardaValar1: Aiya Laure : )
LaurealasseHelka: I'll be back soon- cooking.
Eonwe Valar: And heya to Laure
VardaValar1: mmm cooking
Eonwe Valar: Fladrif, what non-AIM program are you using?
fladrifv: pidgin for aim and msn and so on
Eonwe Valar: Ok, thanks.
fladrifv: I can give a link
Eonwe Valar: That'd be good :}
fladrifv: works on all platforms
fladrifv: linux windows freebsd and so on
VardaValar1: No problem with viruses?
fladrifv: its opensource
fladrifv: you can compile it from source if virus are an issue
fladrifv: and it doesnt support all nifty virus things of the normal clients :-)
Eonwe Valar: Hehe\
VardaValar1: I heard that it was either Trillian or Triton that had a problem with a lot of viruses, don't know which.
fladrifv: ok this one is not linked to a company
fladrifv: its free, you cant buy it
VardaValar1: and your computer still works, so that's a good sign. : )
VardaValar1: My big comp is going into the shop next week. My fixes weren't pemanent.
VardaValar1: (We seem to be in Membership news, Eonwe)
Eonwe Valar: Ouch.
Eonwe Valar: Aye, heh.

Eonwe Valar: (Quickly says Elen Sila Lumenn Omentielvo)
VardaValar1: /cheer Eonwe
Eonwe Valar: Membership:
Eonwe Valar: A storm Thursday brought me the joys of no power for two days and trees down in my yard, so on top of getting ready for the end of the semeseter I get the trees to deal with, heh.
Eonwe Valar: I'm glad they got it up yesterday though, or I wouldn't be here today most likely :}
Eonwe Valar: it being the electricity
Eonwe Valar: Any other member news?>
VardaValar1: Wow Eonwe
VardaValar1: Nobody hurt, I trust?
Eonwe Valar: Nobody hurt, vehicles took a bit of a beating.
Eonwe Valar: When I say I wouldn't be here I mean I wouldn't be on AIM :}
VardaValar1: Sorry about the vehicles. Rough.
Eonwe Valar: Nothing more serious than that :}
VardaValar1: Good. : )
ArPharazonV: *mourns for the trees*
VardaValar1: *covers Fladrif's eyes*
ArPharazonV: that's Fladrif's job, that is, actually..
ArPharazonV: I bet he knew some of those trees from nut and acorn...
Eonwe Valar: Took out 3 or 4 trees, which all fell away from the house :}
Eonwe Valar: hehe, probably Phar :}
Eonwe Valar: Anyway, if there's no other member news, let's move to Web news.
VardaValar1: There is
Eonwe Valar: OK
VardaValar1: Menelvagor said to pass along to you all that he got his LotRO membership, lifetime. Also that he expects to be in the US this summer and hopes to meet up with the Texans.
VardaValar1: Also
VardaValar1: Coriss is an initiate in LotRO now, passed his test but stuck on a name.
VardaValar1: Away a lot due to rl, hopes to be on more after a few weeks.
LaurealasseHelka: ((Back))
VardaValar1: Welcome back. Beware of hobbits.
VardaValar1: I think we already mentioned that Hurin joined us? He has been very active in LotRO.
Eonwe Valar: Aye, mentioned that last week :}
VardaValar1: Yay us. : )

Eonwe Valar: Web News:
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AriehnV: jEonwe is dc
VardaValar1: uh oh
VardaValar1: Continuing with Web News: : )
Eonwe Valar has entered the room.
VardaValar1: New paper up this week from Amaranth, who is in the room. : )
AriehnV: eonwe is back
Eonwe Valar: "Helge Fauskanger: Tolkien-linguist Extraordinaire"
Eonwe Valar: ok, that was odd...
Eonwe Valar: Amaranth, anything you'd like to say about your paper?
Hobbitlass19: Um, not particularly, other than to say that Mr. Fauskanger was lovely about doing the interview.
Eonwe Valar: Cool :}
Hobbitlass19: He responded to my request within a few hours and went above and beyond what I expected with his answers.
Eonwe Valar: Sounds like a nice guy.
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Eonwe Valar: We also have a new story from Arien that Varda put up today: "Bonds Without Hope"
AriehnV: *blush*
Eonwe Valar: Anything you'd like to say about your story, Arien?
AriehnV: its a story of the second age , during the reign of Tar Ciryatan
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AriehnV: set in Lond Daer Edhellonde if i remember the name right
AriehnV: the main port of the lNumenoreons in Eriador .. south of Imladris and north of Gondor
AriehnV: its the story of an officer and his charge .. a native woodman
ArPharazonV: reading it now, always interested in Second Age stories :-)
AriehnV: best have a look yourself :-) its the story of a sort of half friendship ... but one that never had a chance
Eonwe Valar: Thanks Arien :}

Eonwe Valar: Gaming:
Eonwe Valar: WoW:
Eonwe Valar: Lothar:
Eonwe Valar: Obviously I wasn't on Lothar Friday night :} However, earlier in the week, Arwen, myself, and another grouped together to work on the daily quests on Quel'Danas.
Eonwe Valar: We got the quests done fairly quickly, which is nice :}
ArPharazonV: how's Lothar doing in %?
Eonwe Valar: I'm only about 2k rep short of Exalted with the Shattered Sun Offensive.
ArPharazonV: oh, nice :-)
Eonwe Valar: Well, yesterday, we were about 9% on the Alchemy Lab.
Eonwe Valar: We have the monument and the Harbor, so we finally have an inn and a mailbox.
ArPharazonV: ooh, you're well ahead of us then
Eonwe Valar: The mailbox being the best part :}
VardaValar1: /cheer Lothar
ArPharazonV: we're [Argent Dawn server] at 80% for getting the harbor... it's going slower and slower, less people are doing it
ArPharazonV: 2-4% a day
Eonwe Valar: As long as people are still doing the quests, it's better than everyone quitting on them.
ArPharazonV: *nod* I at least do the "progress"- dailies every day, and I'm definitely not the only one doing that
ArPharazonV: it shouldn't slow down much more, those who remain aren't intending to quit :-)
VardaValar1: Phar, you being one of them? : )
ArPharazonV: well, yes... of course, in 4 weeks I'll be going away without internet, so no dailies for me then, but we should get the harbor by then ;-)
VardaValar1: Eonwe says he dropped from teh channel
VardaValar1: Trying to return
VardaValar1: Quick Uldaman report:
VardaValar1: I did show up on the Horde side Wednesday, as did Elwing, and we had a good time.
VardaValar1: Leveling, trying to collect gold for our guild bank page.
VardaValar1: Question to you ones wise in WoW:
VardaValar1: If we deposit gold in a bank before we get the first page, can we use that to buy the first page?
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VardaValar1: (Eonwe is trying a re-log)
Eonwe Valar has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Welcome back : )
Eonwe Valar: Thanks.,
ArPharazonV: yay
VardaValar1: I will have to leave, will scroll back to see what happened. : )
Eonwe Valar: Ok, I believe we're done with Lothar news.
VardaValar1: Namarie and better luck.
Eonwe Valar: Uldaman: Varda says she was there :}
ArPharazonV: Namarie!
Eonwe Valar: Have fun.
fladrifv: namarie varda
Hobbitlass19: Good bye!
AriehnV: Namarie and good luck varda
ArPharazonV: good luck with the raid
Eonwe Valar: Argent Dawn:
Eonwe Valar: Anythign to report, Arien?
AriehnV: Ar Pharazon and myself, respectively Calaron and Ardanna, my warrior had a nice wee visit to stratholme on t'hursday night
AriehnV: Ardanna swam through Lakewhateveritscalled from western to eastern plagueland as she didnt have the flightpath *grin* but its by far the easiest and fasteast way
ArPharazonV: maybe I should've told her earlier that there was a path from the Hinterlands to that lake... but it probably wouldn't have mattered much ;-)
AriehnV: luckily the great bear had the keys which Ardanna was able to pick up later (the keys i mean)
AriehnV: hehe aye i forgot about that
AriehnV: first Calaron went his usual pace with pulling ten at once .. but soon found out that these zombies still hit hard in numbers
ArPharazonV: they do!
Eonwe Valar: That would be Darrowmere Lake, just so you know :} The island in the middle of that lake is Caer Darrow :}
ArPharazonV: so we had to be more careful after that, and didn't beat the 45minute timer ;-)
AriehnV: aftrer all .. most mobs were only four or five levels below me and later same level , hehe
AriehnV: but that wee dwarf hits hard
AriehnV: ah well we had no greater problem after that .. it was nice loot and good rep grinding with the scourgestones
AriehnV: i think we both had fun :-)
ArPharazonV: we did, indeed
AriehnV: thus endeth my report
Eonwe Valar: Thanks.
ArPharazonV: I might try soloing the bosses some time, perhaps :-)
Eonwe Valar: Heh, good luck.
AriehnV: iunforrtunately trhe baron didnt drop the mount
AriehnV: but nice rp gear
Eonwe Valar: You'll have to run him a few times for that.
Eonwe Valar: The drop rate is really low.
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Eonwe Valar: LotRO:
Eonwe Valar: Obviously running a Rift Raid right now :}
Eonwe Valar: General:
Eonwe Valar: More info on the next Content Update. New Monster player : The Orc Defiler.
Eonwe Valar: One sec, trying to get a link for you.
Hobbitlass19: I tried out fishing on Roheryn. It was pretty cool. They've also redone the quest log; looks very nice. Organized a lot better.
Eonwe Valar:
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Eonwe Valar: Aye, The quest log for LotRO will show progress of group members with the next patch.
Eonwe Valar: That's something that would be nice for WoW, but we wouldn't see it until WotLK at least :}
Eonwe Valar: Anyone play anything besides WoW or LotRO this week?
Eonwe Valar: Guess not :}
Eonwe Valar: Shall we move on to Tolkien then?
ArPharazonV: oh, sorry
Eonwe Valar: Or am I getting ready to drop again..
ArPharazonV: played more Starcraft, went through the Schezar campaign
ArPharazonV: especially the last few levels were quite tough, but they're done.. should be moving to expansion next week
Eonwe Valar: Cool
ArPharazonV: I've also got War Wind and War Wind II installed now, I'll start on those after Starcraft :-)
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Eonwe Valar: Hmm, sounds familiar, but never tried them.
ArPharazonV: fun games, Warcraft 1-2 style
ArPharazonV: but completely overshadowed by them... quite underrated in my opinion :-)
Eonwe Valar: Ah
Eonwe Valar: Think I'm lagging badly.
Eonwe Valar: Feel free to write a review of them for the Games Page when you're done with them :}

Eonwe Valar: Ok, Tolkien Time:
ArPharazonV: I'm doubting whether I'll have SC:BW finished before I'm off for a month, but....
ArPharazonV: maybe in time :-)
Eonwe Valar: Good Luck :}
Eonwe Valar: Ok, does anyone have a Tolkien Topic?
Eonwe Valar: Ok, you get mine then :}
Eonwe Valar: But first, who all is here? Say aye.
Hobbitlass19: Aye
Glorfindel VG: who's more beautiful arwen or galadriel
Glorfindel VG: theres a topic
Glorfindel VG: heh
AriehnV: ayish
Eonwe Valar: Eomer already discussed that and came to a conclusion :} They decided not to fight about it :}
Glorfindel VG: gimli almost took the head off of eomer over that one
Eonwe Valar: *Eomer and Gimli
ArPharazonV: *raises hand slowly* ...aye
ArPharazonV: but... I'll have to go
ArPharazonV: need to get up in.... 5 hours?
ArPharazonV: should already be gone :-)
Eonwe Valar: Ok Phar, sleep well.
Eonwe Valar: Take care.
Hobbitlass19: Good night!
ArPharazonV: saved
Eonwe Valar: For those still here, how about this one: Pride in LotR. Who exibits it? Why is it that person's downfall?
ArPharazonV: I'll put forth Boromir, Feanor and Pharazon... of course, only the first applies to Lotr...
ArPharazonV: but I won't be participating in the discussion :-)
AriehnV: hmm pride ... Boromir in Lotr i agree with that Phara
Hobbitlass19: I was just thinking of those first two, Phar, plus Denethor.
Glorfindel VG: Saruman
Hobbitlass19: Ah, good one!
Eonwe Valar: Sauron of course :}
Eonwe Valar: I had to take the most obvious one so no one else could :}
Eonwe Valar: So far we have Boromir, Denethor, Saruman, Sauron. Who else do we have?
Glorfindel VG: Wormtongue
fladrifv: bilbo :D
ArPharazonV: Morgoth?
ArPharazonV: oops
ArPharazonV: lotr
ArPharazonV: *hides*
Glorfindel VG: only lotr?
Eonwe Valar: Only from Lord of the Rings, aye.
Eonwe Valar: How does Wormtongue fit?
Eonwe Valar: After this I'll let Fladrif defend his Bilbo argument :}
ArPharazonV: Namarie all!
Eonwe Valar: Take care Pahr :}
Eonwe Valar: Phar.
Hobbitlass19: Sleep well!
ArPharazonV: be sure to save this, I want to see Bilbo as well :-)
fladrifv: namarie phar
AriehnV: Namarie Phara
Eonwe Valar: Saving as I go.
Glorfindel VG: well wormtongue refused the mercy and forgiveness
Eonwe Valar: from who?
Glorfindel VG: Theoden
Glorfindel VG: Gandalf
Glorfindel VG: Aragorn I think
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Glorfindel VG: or maybe that was more out of fear than pride
Hobbitlass19: But do you think he would have turned around in the Shire if the hobbits hadn't shot him first?
Eonwe Valar: As I recall, it wasn't so much mercy as it was "let's see who he's really loyal to."
Glorfindel VG: well they offered to let him be free of saruman
Glorfindel VG: which even though he hated him
Glorfindel VG: he still refused
Eonwe Valar: I don't think he would've stayed in the Shire. Seemed to me he killed Saruman and ran/
Glorfindel VG: i dont know i can see it being mercy
Eonwe Valar: In the Shire, it was mercy, and Saruman ruined it for him.
Hobbitlass19: That's kind of what I'm thinking, Eonwe. It seems more like he was finally taking his revenge and then doing exactly what he wanted to do. "Snapped" is the word the book uses, I think, which is perfect.
Eonwe Valar: Or so Saruman thought. Perhaps even after the horrid truth was revealed, Wormtongue could'v espent some time to regain his strength in the Shire before leaving.
Eonwe Valar: Aye.
Hobbitlass19: So I don't think we really got a chance to see if he displayed pride. To me it seems more like fear when he rejected the offer in Isengard, but who knows whether he would have been humble enough to "repent" in the Shire?
Eonwe Valar: it seems there were a couple of times he wished he could take back his decision to stick with Saruman.
Hobbitlass19: Right, and fear was holding him where he was.
Eonwe Valar: Don't know how much pride played into his character, though. Seemed he was pretty well broken by Saruman of anything that would get in the way of his servitude.
Eonwe Valar: Of course, if Glorfindel gave us some book quotes showing his pride.. :}
Eonwe Valar: Ok Fladrif, tell us why Bilbo exibited Pride :}
Glorfindel VG: no you're right i think
fladrifv: ok
fladrifv: the fact that he did not wanted to show his age in relation with the ring is one
Eonwe Valar: Hmm,..
Eonwe Valar: I suppose you have a point there. He never connected his longevity to the Ring, apparently even after he'd learned more about it.
fladrifv: it was him being superior
fladrifv: not the ring nor anyone else
fladrifv: he needed to see the world again
fladrifv: it was due to the limitations of the rest not due to his own limitations
Hobbitlass19: I wonder if it wasn't a certain type of pride that he never contacted Frodo during those seventeen years. I've often wondered about that.
Eonwe Valar: But he managed to not have this example of pride be his downfall.
fladrifv: there has never been an situation to let him be it his downfall
fladrifv: that is also why he could give away the ring
fladrifv: he didnt need it he was of himself big enough
Eonwe Valar: Well, Gandalf helped him relinquish it too.
fladrifv: ofcourse but that would hav enot worked if he tried that of gollum
fladrifv: sorry for my bad english btw :S
Eonwe Valar: As long as we can understand clearly what you're saying :}
fladrifv: that was something I started to worry about :-)
Eonwe Valar: If not, we'll just make you repeat it, hehe :}
fladrifv: towards infinity? ;-)
Eonwe Valar: Or until we understand it, whichever comes first :}
fladrifv: thanks for being so patient with me
fladrifv: but that was my defence of bilbo
Eonwe Valar: NP :}
fladrifv: more or less accepted here *grin*
Eonwe Valar: Ok, well, you have a point, but he seems to be an exception to the rule :}
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Eonwe Valar: Shall we now discuss how Pride brought about the fall of many of these characters, or shall we save that for another day and let you all escape?
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Eonwe Valar: Welcome back Amaranth :}
fladrifv: escape to monkey island is an option
AriehnV: escape is not an acceptable option .. understandable though it seems
Hobbitlass19: Thanks. My connection went out randomly.
AriehnV: *sorry slhould have put quotation marks, grin*
Eonwe Valar: I need to turn my attention to other things unfortunately.
Eonwe Valar: I will declar Aftermeeting so that those who want to go can go, but if any of you are still interested in discussion Pride and the downfalls of those who exhibit it..
Eonwe Valar: Please feel free to continue it, as I will stay in the channel and it will go into the transcript.
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fladrifv: I will make a chat log as well
Eonwe Valar: Would anybody like to do that?
Eonwe Valar: Thanks Fladrif.
Eonwe Valar: *bangs gavel*

Eonwe Valar: Aftermeeting.
fladrifv: my poor ears!
fladrifv: ah that is better, silence
fladrifv: ....
Hobbitlass19: I have some things to do, so I'm going to head out. Take care, everyone!
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Menelvagor Valar: Aiya!
Menelvagor Valar: By the lack of responses, I deem this to be the after'ish meeting *smile*
Eonwe Valar: Heya
Eonwe Valar: yep, this is Aftermeeting.
Menelvagor Valar: What happened today?
Eonwe Valar: There was a meeting :}
Eonwe Valar: In a nutshell, meeting as follows:
Eonwe Valar: Phar going to be doing stuff during the summer, Varda's comp going back into shop, Menel going to Texas.
Eonwe Valar: New Story by Arien, new paper by Amaranth.
Eonwe Valar: Eonwe and Arwen grouped for dailies on Lothar, Varda appeared on Uldaman, Phar and Arien got together on Argent Dawn.
Eonwe Valar: Tolkien Discussion: Who exhibited pride and how it led to their downfalls.
Eonwe Valar: Aftermeeting: You're experiencing it.
Menelvagor Valar: lots of reports then :-)
Eonwe Valar: About the average.
AriehnV: hoooch a rare guest :-D
Menelvagor Valar: btw, did Varda mention that I got my LotrO game in?
AriehnV: she did
AriehnV: great to hear :-)
AriehnV: i have to log off now i fear bed time
Eonwe Valar: Ah, she did mention that, aye.
Eonwe Valar: Don't fear bedtime :}
AriehnV: hehe
Eonwe Valar: Sleep well Arien :}
Menelvagor Valar: Namarie Arien! May Ulmo bless you with sweet dreams.
Menelvagor Valar: Irmo*
Eonwe Valar: Ulmo eh..
Menelvagor Valar: Ulmo is sure to provide watery dreams *grins*
AriehnV: sleep well all, and may the sun never fail to reach wherever you abide
Eonwe Valar: Being the Lord of Waters and all.
AriehnV: *chuckles*
AriehnV: Namarie :-)
Eonwe Valar: Then again, apparently he did use visions :}
Eonwe Valar: Take care :}
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fladrifv: saved
Eonwe Valar: Thanks Fladrif
VardaValar1: back for a sec with news. :-)
VardaValar1: Initiate Coriss is taking the name of Lindir, as the old Lindir is not interested in the guild anymore.
VardaValar1: He is in LotRO right now.
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VardaValar1: He is into music in rl, fits well.
fladrifv: hey varda, you have mail
VardaValar1: Thanks : )
VardaValar1: Anc is online too
fladrifv: now I need to sleep
VardaValar1: Sleep well! and thanks for coming. :-)
fladrifv: till next sunday :-)
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Eonwe Valar: Congrats to our new Lindir.
VardaValar1: Thanks on his behalf. :-)
arwenv1: =o
arwenv1: when did I join this? o.O
arwenv1: =o oh well :-) hi!
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VardaValar1: hiya
VardaValar1: Good night all. : )
Eonwe Valar: Sleep well :}
VardaValar1: Right after chores, you bet. : )
VardaValar1: Nighty night.