Valar Guild

October 28, 2007 Meeting

5pm EST (GMT - 5); (GMT = 22:00)
AIM: Valar Guild Meetingplace

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Transcript work by: 
Ar-Pharazon and Varda

Attending: (11)
    Ancalagon-(V)/Sarujil, ArPharazonV, arwenv1, Eonwe Valar, Fladrifv, Gil-galad-(V)/Xseanzee disco, GilraenV, GwaihirValar, Menelvagor Valar, Pallando Valar/Oessala/OrodrethV, VardaValar1 (presiding)

Meeting begins
    Tolkien brought seriousness to fantasy
After-meeting continued Tolkien in a lighter way:
    What was Tom Bombadil? We went more into character traits than into discussion of Maia or whatever.

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VardaValar1: Aiya Fladrif :-)
Fladrifv: Aiya
Fladrifv: youre early :-)
VardaValar1: I am?
Fladrifv: 10 pm now here :-)
VardaValar1: Some of our computers are trying to reset for Daylight Savings Time and some say it isn't supposed to be happening yet.
VardaValar1: I could be off.
Fladrifv: ok we have had the daylight saving
Fladrifv: in europe
Eonwe Valar has entered the room.
ArPharazonV has entered the room.
Menelvagor Valar has entered the room.
ArPharazonV: Aiya
Menelvagor Valar: Aiya
Eonwe Valar: Heya
Menelvagor Valar: In Kara though, so afk'ish.
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ArPharazonV: I thought meeting wasn't for an another hour, silly winter time ;-)
Menelvagor Valar: Besides, Daylight Saving Time is here already :-)
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ArPharazonV: what Menel said!
Sarujil: aiya
VardaValar1: Aiya
Eonwe Valar: Nope, USA hasn't hit Daylight Savings Time yet, so we're still running at the same time :}
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Sarujil has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Welcome back, Ancalagon : )
Sarujil: stupid aim security update :-)
Eonwe Valar: hehe
ArPharazonV: I'm still using the old aim...
VardaValar1: Me too
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OrodrethV has entered the room.
Pallando Valar has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya Pallando and your doppelgangers. : )
VardaValar1: Seems to be all who are coming for now, so let's start.
Oessala: Who?
OrodrethV: You mean us?
Pallando Valar: :p
VardaValar1: Yes you : )
VardaValar1: hehe
Eonwe Valar: Good thing we don't have a new Orodreth yet :} That one could get confusing :}

VardaValar1: Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo!
ArPharazonV: OrodrethV2?
VardaValar1: Begins to look like version 2 : )
VardaValar1: Membership:
VardaValar1: Morwe decided to remain as a Full Member, playing LotRO, rather than switching to Tolkien only, but maybe we can still get articles out of him. ; )
ArPharazonV: gaming only!
VardaValar1: no no : )
VardaValar1: That might be a guild-friend though : )
VardaValar1: Any other member news?
VardaValar1: Birthdays? Other?
arwenv1: I had a birthday
arwenv1: Friday
ArPharazonV: congratulations!
VardaValar1: Congratulations Arwen!
arwenv1: :-) Thank you
Eonwe Valar: Happy Birthday :}
VardaValar1: I just passed on the news to the family here, Arwen. Big chorus of Yay!

VardaValar1: Web:
arwenv1: :-)
Xseanzee disco has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Tolkien Site under Stories:
VardaValar1: The Temptations of Eönwë by Enerdhil-(TV)
VardaValar1: Aiya Gil-galad : )
VardaValar1: Siege of Dread by Cassia-(TV) and Siobhan-(TV)
VardaValar1: 16 chapters.
VardaValar1: Part of their Mellon Chronicles series
VardaValar1: Another story by Jay of Lasgalen is in the email
VardaValar1: And Turgon has sent more art to be put up this week.
VardaValar1: Any other web news?

VardaValar1: Gaming:
[Eve, Dungeon Siege, monkey island 1 2 3, discworld 2, full throttle, chess, WoW: Uldaman AD Lothar, LotRO.]

VardaValar1: Pallando, would you like to tell about Eve Online?
VardaValar1: Your letter is on the News.
VardaValar1: Guess he's afk
VardaValar1: Here's what Pallando said:
VardaValar1: For an unfortunate reason, I will need to suspend funding for mysecond Eve-Online account, which holds the Pallando Luineistarcharacter.
VardaValar1: As the only other member is Menelvagor, who is inactive,this will leave the branch without anyone to run the corporation.
VardaValar1: Iwill still be somewhat active on Debes Sparre, and will keep themailing list and chat channel manned for what it's worth.
VardaValar1: My offer ofa free month will not be available on demand, but still extant.
VardaValar1: Theoffer for 6 months runs out on the 4th.
VardaValar1: End letter.
VardaValar1: Any games played besides WoW or LotRO?
ArPharazonV: Dungeon Siege!
VardaValar1: Go Phar!
VardaValar1: How did you do?
ArPharazonV: I'm fighting through the dungeons below the castle now, nearly at the end of the game, somewhere in chapter 8 of the 9
VardaValar1: Some of the people here had Dungeon Siege out, but I don't know how much they did with it.
VardaValar1: Fladrif, go ahead. : )
Fladrifv: ok a little list from my side
Fladrifv: monkey island 1 2 3
Fladrifv: discworld 2
Fladrifv: full throttle
Fladrifv: ...hitting the adventure times as you can see :-)
Fladrifv: and the usual ones like chess
Fladrifv: and boulderdash :D
Fladrifv: any people know full throttle?
VardaValar1: I've heard of it, haven't played it.
Fladrifv: I can advise it as being something different of its kind of adventures
VardaValar1: Would you like to send reviews of these games you are trying?
VardaValar1: They would go to Eonwe for the Games page.
VardaValar1: Also, we need reviews for WoW and LotRO, of which some of you may have heard. ;-)
Eonwe Valar: What are those again? ;}
Fladrifv: I dont think you want mine on lotro *grin*
VardaValar1: You weren't there long enough in my opinion, Fladrif. : )
VardaValar1: But that is between you and Eonwe. : )
VardaValar1: Maybe your negative review will spark some of those who think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread.
VardaValar1: On to WoW : )
VardaValar1: Do we have an Argent Dawn report from anyone?
VardaValar1: I take that as no or you're afk. : )
ArPharazonV: oh, right
VardaValar1: The Uldaman server report came from Elwing. She ran alone on Wednesday and Thursday night, but is still playing Horde. She would enjoy company. [note: Varda showed up too early to play with Elwing]
VardaValar1: Phar, you have one? [note: Argent Dawn]
ArPharazonV: Arien's paladin Urwendi and my paladin Alcaria went to the Scarlet Monastery
ArPharazonV: I drafted her into bringing her lvl 61 paladin to guide my lvl 43 one through it, we had some deaths and other mishaps, but eventually we got both quests done
ArPharazonV: going through the Library, Armory and Cathedral
ArPharazonV: it ended with Alcaria getting a new axe and a new shield, as well as some other upgrades
ArPharazonV: and that's pretty much it, I don't have Arien's flair in my reports ;-)
VardaValar1: You did fine, Phar, thanks!
VardaValar1: Eonwe, we're ready for the Lothar server report, when you are.
Eonwe Valar: Unfortunately I have little to tell.
VardaValar1: Most of the Lothar activity happened while he was offline. ; )
Eonwe Valar: My intention was to give another go at the Headless Horseman this week, but getting my new tires killed my day.
Eonwe Valar: I came in late. Elwing and Arwen were on doing various things. I just went to killing some stuff with my Paladin for a while, and then went over to my Priest for a few quests.
ArPharazonV: ooh, I killed the Horseman a few times with non-valar friends, picked up a small pumpkin-pet...
Eonwe Valar: The good news is that I'm closer to getting my epic flying mount. Only about 800 more gold to go and I'll be there.
VardaValar1: Nice. : )
VardaValar1: The Laytonrim (my family and friends) killed the Horsemen several times and have been all through the festival.
Eonwe Valar: That's it from me.
VardaValar1: Sauron has been flying on a broom wearing a pumpkin head. : )
ArPharazonV: hah
VardaValar1: The Lothar group is small but has been very active.
ArPharazonV: well, I passed on all the brooms, too temporary for me to get attached to it... but I did get a healy ring from the Horseman, and that Sinister Squashling I mentioned
VardaValar1: New guild-friend joined in, named Slyroost. Also a Laytonrim friend of the family.
VardaValar1: Any other WoW news?
Eonwe Valar: It's probably obvious, but my Paladin was hoping for the helm, heh :}Unfortunately I have a better chance of being struck in real life by in-game lightning than getting that helm :}
VardaValar1: You have to run with us some to get it. May real life let up on you long enough to do it!
Eonwe Valar: The droprate is really low, and I've got all of 3 days left to get it. I'm not counting on it at this point :}
Eonwe Valar: Would've been a really nice upgrade though :}
VardaValar1: Can you come no tonight after the meeting?
VardaValar1: *on
ArPharazonV: at least you nearly have your epic flying mount, I still need 3750g!
Eonwe Valar: hehe
Eonwe Valar: I skipped my normal flying mount :}
ArPharazonV: I'm a druid, we get those for free ;-)
Eonwe Valar: hehe
VardaValar1: Some of us have been on Lothar on and off all day. Drag yourself in when you can.
VardaValar1: Lord of the Ring Online, aka LotRO:
Eonwe Valar: I'm sort of sitting in Lothar right now, I suppose I could try and make some time after the meeting if we have enough people at 70 to give the Horseman a go.
VardaValar1: We got our kinhouse almost as soon as the server opened. Maybe a minute or two after. : )
VardaValar1: Ancalagon/Sarujil and I scouted them out on the Roheryn test server to see what we wanted and what was needed.
VardaValar1: The guild kicked in the money, collecting it over quite a while
VardaValar1: The list is on the forum.
VardaValar1: We paid the kinhouse "taxes" through December, as far as is allowed.
VardaValar1: Then the guild, most notably Ancalagon, helped add to the kinhouse
VardaValar1: We have all three storage boxes open, and a mass of fine decorations and music boxes.
VardaValar1: Guild members have been making items for it as well as buying them.
VardaValar1: Anc, would you like to tell about the taxidermy? He's done most of it. : )
Sarujil: Oh, sure
Sarujil: Certain types of creatures in Eriador drop undamaged corpses, which you can then turn into charming trophies to adorn a house
Sarujil: So far in our kin house we have a Brown Bear named Ursula guarding the entrance
Sarujil: As well as Wally the Warg, Barry the Barghest, and an as yet unnamed Black Bear
Sarujil: We hope to round out the list of trophy animals soon with a White Wolf and the piece de resistance, a Cave Troll head to mount on the wall!
Sarujil: thats all I got :-)
VardaValar1: Thanks!
VardaValar1: We also have a lot of people setting up their personal houses.
ArPharazonV: you can kill something while keeping it undamaged? impressive
VardaValar1: Bree has been surprisingly popular with its pleasant scenery.
VardaValar1: When we kill certain monsters, once in a while it drops a purple item which is its undamaged corpse.
VardaValar1: It can then be taken to the taxidermist in Bree for mounting.
ArPharazonV: but how would that work then? magic? giving it a heart attack?
VardaValar1: Just like regular taxidermy
VardaValar1: I've done some myself
ArPharazonV: no, I mean the actual killing without damaging :-)
Sarujil: poison, good smak on the head, the force
ArPharazonV: right, what he said
VardaValar1: Make a small hole to do the skinning work then sew up the hole.
VardaValar1: Hide where you hit it. : ) That's why it's a rare drop.
ArPharazonV: shoot it in the eye, then give it a glass replacement..
VardaValar1: Skin can take a lot of rumpling and be fixed up to look nice. Same as a fur coat, etc.
VardaValar1: We had nine Valarites on at the same time this morning, and took a full fellowship of six around to the towers in Angmar, Ancalagon here as our main tank. : )
ArPharazonV: fellowships of 6 and 12? seems a bit off the mark
VardaValar1: It was a very good run. I'm happy to say that both of my champion quests were quickly taken care of, with side drops for the Hunter's quest. : )
VardaValar1: Originally they planned on 9 mans
VardaValar1: They are still working on the game, very new.
VardaValar1: They put in new things all the time, and make passes back over all the old areas.
Eonwe Valar: They were setting the raid cap at 24 while WoW was still pushing 40-mans :}
VardaValar1: It has changed enormously since I first tried it in Beta 1, when I was concerned that it would not be very good.
ArPharazonV: and now they're back to 25, Eonwe :P
ArPharazonV: hmm, so perhaps it'll be 9 again? :-)
Eonwe Valar: LotRO is back to 25?
VardaValar1: No.
ArPharazonV: no, WoW
VardaValar1: Phar doesn't play LotRO btw.
Eonwe Valar: WoW wasn't at 25 until the expansion.
Eonwe Valar: Anyway, pardon for the interruption.
VardaValar1: Except to say that members are helping each other decorate each other's personal houses and often giving various privileges to each other to use their houses, I'm done. : )
VardaValar1: Some are going together on houses, mostly the married couples like Borin and Finduilas, Irmo and Miriel.

VardaValar1: On to Tolkien : )
VardaValar1: Who is still present?
VardaValar1: Please say aye
VardaValar1: Aye
ArPharazonV: Aye
Eonwe Valar: Aye
Xseanzee disco has left the room.
GwaihirValar has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya
Eonwe Valar: afk for a moment.
Eonwe Valar: Heya Gwaihir.
VardaValar1: A comment Greg and Tim Hildebrandt, illustrators for Tolkien calendars and other things, was that Tolkien brought seriousness to fantasy.
VardaValar1: It had fallen into disrepute or was used only for children's tales.
GwaihirValar: hullo
ArPharazonV: Aiya
VardaValar1: Aiya eagle. : )
VardaValar1: Does that comment seem to be pretty close to correct?
VardaValar1: Perhaps by now, most here would be unable to imagine the literary world before Tolkien impacted it.
VardaValar1: But maybe you can think of places where you've seen the influence.
ArPharazonV: literary world, sure, but fantasy literature, not really
VardaValar1: Most current fantasy writers if not all have read Tolkien's work.
ArPharazonV: *nod*
ArPharazonV: hard to go anywhere without reading about orcs and goblins and his version of elves...
VardaValar1: He brought back the serious elves of the ancient stories, aye.
VardaValar1: Orcs would not be in literature and games without him.
VardaValar1: He set up a world with many of the great heroic elements of ancient literature, but gave it a compassionate aspect that it never had.
VardaValar1: The ancient heroes tended to be pretty self-centered.
VardaValar1: They did have the fighting for their own country idea at least. : )
VardaValar1: And would go out and protect.
VardaValar1: Not until King Arthur do we see heroism more as we imagine it now.
VardaValar1: And even that was not as great in spirit as Tolkien's heroes.
VardaValar1: Feel free to disagree or agree. We can also move on to another topic.
VardaValar1: Maybe we should drag Eonwe into a WoW game now. : )
VardaValar1: If no one else has a comment?

VardaValar1: After-meeting.
VardaValar1: Free chat about anything. : )
Eonwe Valar: back
Eonwe Valar: Free chat about anything, eh? :}
Eonwe Valar: Ok, what was Tom Bombadil? :}
ArPharazonV: a maia, and I'm keeping it at that!
Eonwe Valar: So he wasn't a merry old fellow? :}
ArPharazonV: sure he was, how is that mutually exclusive?
Eonwe Valar: You said you were "keeping it at that." :}
ArPharazonV: he was a lot of things, but I only mentioned the one thing that would answer the question I assumed you meant :-)
Eonwe Valar: :}
VardaValar1: He was a flower-picker!
ArPharazonV: he was a rhymer!
Sarujil: he had great fashion sense!
ArPharazonV: and a nice pony
VardaValar1: A singer!
Eonwe Valar: :}
VardaValar1: Good with trees.
VardaValar1: He was friendly with hobbits, including Farmer Maggot whom he called Muddyfoot. : )
VardaValar1: See you guys in WoW. We seem to have five for the run. : )
Eonwe Valar: ok :}
Eonwe Valar: I'm going to leave AIM so I don't get lag at a bad moment.
ArPharazonV: ok, Namarie then
VardaValar1: Namarie
Eonwe Valar: Take care all, good night, sleep well, and have fun :}
Eonwe Valar has left the room.
VardaValar1: Say hi to the LotRO gang for me Anc!
VardaValar1: Namarie from me too.
ArPharazonV: I'll save and send soon
VardaValar1: Thanks : )
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