Valar Guild

October 14, 2007 Meeting

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Ar-Pharazon, Eonwe, and Varda

Attending: (11)
    Arathorn Valar, ArPharazonV, AriehnV, arwenv1, Eonwe Valar (presiding), Fladrif, GilraenV, Glorfindel VG, Farmer Maggot-(V) /thesirg3, Pallando Valar, VardaValar1

Before meeting
Meeting begins
Suggestion: Fladrif: one live chatroom all day for a particular day.

You have just entered room "valarguildmeetingplace."
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ArPharazonV: Aiya Eonwe!
arwenv1 has entered the room.
AriehnV: ha speak of the .. ;-)
ArPharazonV: and Maggot!
thesirg3: whoa, Sunday again?
Eonwe Valar: Heya all, sorry I'm late. Comp troubles.
Pallando Valar has entered the room.
AriehnV: Greetings and Aiya all
Eonwe Valar: By the looks of tihngs, I get to chair the meeting tonight, so give me a sec to see what news we have.
Eonwe Valar: *tihngs=things
Eonwe Valar: Heya to Arien and Pallando.
Eonwe Valar: er, Arwen and Pallando
Eonwe Valar: Arien was already in my first heya.
Eonwe Valar: Ladies and Gents, if you have any news, please whisper me now so as soon as we get to the section I can call on you.
GilraenV has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar: Heya Gilraen
GilraenV: Aiya :-)
Eonwe Valar: How are you and Gwaihir doing?
GilraenV: we're doing well. Gwai's been having computer problems, and he and his brother are in the middle of putting together his new one today
Eonwe Valar: Gald to hear you're well, sorry to hear about comp troubles, but glad to hear he's getting a new comp :}
Eonwe Valar: Glad even
GilraenV: mhm. he's happy
GilraenV: how are you?
Eonwe Valar: I'm doing well, just busy with school :}
Eonwe Valar: Looks like I've got all the news ready to start the meeting now. Everyone ready to begin? :}
ArPharazonV: sure, a bit distracted by parents, and some sites to catch up on, but I'll try to be here
ArPharazonV: just got home after 4 days..
Eonwe Valar: Then let's begin :}

Eonwe Valar: Elenn Sila Lumenn Omentielvo!
Eonwe Valar: Membership:
Eonwe Valar: Pallando, since you have to go shortly, go ahead and share yours now.
Eonwe Valar: If you haven't left already :}
Eonwe Valar: Looks like he may have already left, so I'll go ahead and give his membership news.
Pallando Valar: Oooh, yes.
Eonwe Valar: There he is :}
Pallando Valar: Almost left. :-)
Eonwe Valar: Gogogo, then take care at work :}
Pallando Valar: My school got excitment Thursday.
Pallando Valar: As you can read in this article here:
Pallando Valar: Mercury spill. :-)
Pallando Valar: Friday was closed too, no one hurt, that's all.
Eonwe Valar: Mercury spill doesn't sound good :}
Pallando Valar: My claim to fam, even if all I got to do was sit in a bus for three hours before I could drive home..
Eonwe Valar: Glad no one was hurt.
Pallando Valar: And now I go to work. o/
AriehnV: take care pALLANDO
Eonwe Valar: Tkae care Pallando :}
Eonwe Valar: Take even
ArPharazonV: The page you requested could not be found. It may have been moved; more likely it has been removed from our servers.
Eonwe Valar: hmm
ArPharazonV: am I the only one who gets that?
Fladrifv: nope
Eonwe Valar: I haven't tried yet.
ArPharazonV: ah, there we go
AriehnV: WORKS fine for me
ArPharazonV: wait, what's the difference between those 2? only the second one works for me
Eonwe Valar: there's an "i" between "star" and "tribune"
Eonwe Valar: oh, I take that back..
Eonwe Valar: hmm, looking at them, that's a good question.
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Eonwe Valar: looks like the '.' after the 'www' might be a comma in the first one.
ArPharazonV: looking at the first one with the cursor, it gives a double url
ArPharazonV: this is not the case with the second one
ArPharazonV: but how does that problem originate?
Eonwe Valar: Probably if you use the "link" button instead of just putting the link in without it.
Eonwe Valar: That's just a guess though. I don't use the "link" button.
ArPharazonV: first thought: "wait, there's a link button?"
Eonwe Valar: Any further membership news? We got to hear Gwaihir/Gilraen membership news right before the meeting :}
Eonwe Valar: right above where you type in your text, Phar, with the Bold, Italics, and underline buttons.
ArPharazonV: yeah, I saw it after a bit of looking, my point was that I never knew it was there before you mentioned it :-)
Eonwe Valar: the next button in that series is called "link".
Eonwe Valar: ah, ok :}
ArPharazonV: hence the "first thought" addition
ArPharazonV: my line of thought is so often lost online...
Eonwe Valar: Well, now anyone who didn't notice it before knows where to find it too :}
Eonwe Valar: *anyone else
Eonwe Valar: Ok, looks like no more member news.

Eonwe Valar: Web news:
Eonwe Valar: Short version: alot :}
Fladrifv: hehe
Eonwe Valar: Longer version:
Eonwe Valar: Varda put up a "reasonably complete" list of everything done for the 10th Anniversary, so check that out and see what we've got.
Eonwe Valar:
Eonwe Valar: there's your direct link.
Eonwe Valar: If that doesn't work, use the one on the news page :}
Eonwe Valar: Tolkien Site:
Eonwe Valar: Articles-
Eonwe Valar: Probably mentioned last week, but I'll mention again for good measure: "The Curruption of the Lord of the Rings" by Ancalagon.
Eonwe Valar: Also sent in by Ancalagon, "Tolkien and Beowulf"
Eonwe Valar: Both of these for the 10th Anniversary.
Eonwe Valar: Stories-
ArPharazonV: I remember the first one being mentioned, not the second one... but could be selective memory
Eonwe Valar: The second one wasn't put on the news until afterward.
Eonwe Valar: So other than a "another is coming soon," it probably wasn't mentioned.
Eonwe Valar: Stories-
Eonwe Valar: "The Valar Guild" by Alcardilme-(TV) for the 10th Anniversary.
Eonwe Valar: "Discoveries in the Dark" and "Old Swords" by Jay of Lasgalen.
Eonwe Valar: "Mind's Eye" by Cassia-(TV) and Siobahn-(TV).
Eonwe Valar: Part of their "Mellon Chronicles" series.

Eonwe Valar: Gaming:
Eonwe Valar: Eve:
Eonwe Valar: Pallando reports time is running out for that cheap 6 months of Eve offer, but the free month remains open as always. Contact Pallando if you're interested in taking him up on either.
Eonwe Valar: He also reports there will be a new expansion for Eve in November "free as always." Pallando says "get in now and you can see the before and after (graphics update)."
Eonwe Valar: WoW:
Eonwe Valar: 2.3 patch up on the Public Test Realm, changes to many classes, and adding in guild banks.
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Eonwe Valar: Chec out the WoW Test Realm forum (English one if it's not up on the others) for patch notes.
Eonwe Valar: to access English forums, go to You can get there from the menu as I assume is typcial on any version.
Eonwe Valar: *typical
AriehnV: am i still here?
ArPharazonV: yes
Eonwe Valar: You're still here Arien. It was Arwen that seemed to have left :}
AriehnV: good ;-)
Eonwe Valar: I feel better about mixing the names up if even Arien does it :}
Eonwe Valar: (not that I don't see Eonwë/Eowyn getting mixed up alot too :})
Eonwe Valar: Lothar:
Eonwe Valar: We had Arwen, Elwing, Bilbo, Varda, and Eonwë on Friday night.
Eonwe Valar: Bilbo, Varda, and Eonwë were in Zangarmarsh doing Bilbo's and Varda's quests.
Eonwe Valar: We killed ogres and their bosses, gathered unidentified plant parts, helped out sporelings...
Eonwe Valar: Killed Naga, shut down their water machines, helped out the Kurenai,..
Eonwe Valar: Gathered some sort of venom from marsh slicers, and killed some bugs for somethign that's not jumping to mind right now.
ArPharazonV: wings?
Eonwe Valar: Yeah, diaphonous wings. Thanks Arien.
ArPharazonV: ...
Eonwe Valar: Er, Pharazon.
Eonwe Valar: Bah, that "A" threw me off.
ArPharazonV: sure it did...
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ArPharazonV: Arien, Arwen, Arpharazon... I'm sure it's really confusing!
Eonwe Valar: Teaches me to pay more attention to names, heh.
VardaValar1: Aiya, just got home. Unloading groceries.
ArPharazonV: Aiya Varda!
Eonwe Valar: Heya Varda :}
VardaValar1: The A's have it? :-)
Eonwe Valar: We're in gaming now, about to wrap up the Lothar report.
ArPharazonV: all Ar!
VardaValar1: Lothar report, the guys took me out to Zangarmarsh for a really good time! Thanks!
Eonwe Valar: Aye, the "Ar" makes it rough on people not paying close enough attention :}
VardaValar1: pardon, afk putting up groceries
Eonwe Valar: ok :}
Eonwe Valar: I'm pretty sure that about covers the Lothar report, and thus I conclude it.
Eonwe Valar: Arien (Got it right! :}) Do you have a report from Argent Dawn?
AriehnV: small tiny oen
AriehnV: one
Eonwe Valar: Go ahead.
AriehnV: Aeremethar helped Urwendi with her task to purify the last Scourge Cauldron at Gahrronns Withering . Very entertaining for two holy paladins ;-)
Eonwe Valar: I bet :}
AriehnV: Had little trouble with them despite frost spells and all sorts but a young er shaman of my Acqaaintance was in our company too and she does some great dps
AriehnV: so we relieved the cauldron lord of his key for the cauldron .. handed him over to his eternal rest and got the sample required
AriehnV: thus endeth my report
Eonwe Valar: Thanks.
Eonwe Valar: Uldaman: Afraid I don't have a report for this one, but I think Varda may have mentioned something about it during Lothar questing. I've heard Elwing is on Uldaman fairly regularly, so feel free to stop in there and game with her :}
Eonwe Valar: Wednesday is the "official" day for Uldaman, but as always, it's not the only day you can show up :}
Eonwe Valar: Get together with Guild members as much as possible ;}
Eonwe Valar: On to LotRO:
VardaValar1: Pardon
VardaValar1: Uldaman report came in from Elwing
Eonwe Valar: GO ahead Varda.
VardaValar1: She was alone as I had to leave before she came on. But I did run through all my characters and got stuck enjoying the Forsaken priest way too much. :-)
Eonwe Valar: Assuming you have the report ready ;} Not to put you on the spot :}
Glorfindel VG: can someone tell me if they think NVIDIA GeForce Go 7150M (UMA) graphics with up to 287MB shared video memory; S-video output would work nicely for lotro or hl2 ?
VardaValar1: Hard on a mail check when it turns into a few hours of questing. :-)
Glorfindel VG: sorry but i dont know very much at all about computers
VardaValar1: Done.
VardaValar1: Glorfindel, one thing you might look at is the minimum and recommended hardware suggestions for LotRO on the LotRO site and the box.
VardaValar1: They know we don't all know every in and out. :-)
VardaValar1: Go ahead Eonwe, I'll try to find that for him. Got a box upstairs.
Fladrifv: sounds on the low end for the game will certainly not run fluent..if it runs at all
Eonwe Valar: If I understand what you mean by "shared memory" like I think I do, I don't know why any good graphics card would use shared memory. Any good graphics card will have memory on the card.
Eonwe Valar: You'll want at least 128-256 megs on the graphics card, min requirements for LotRO.
Glorfindel VG: Well, I need a new computer pretty urgently
Glorfindel VG: and i was looking at this one
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Glorfindel VG: 525759&type=product&id=1186007267427
Glorfindel VG: but i was wondering if it could support games very well
Eonwe Valar: Thanks Varda.
Fladrifv: just buy a non onboard :-)
Eonwe Valar: Our next report is LotRO though, so I don't have much to say without you :}
Eonwe Valar: I don't have a report for LotRo, but I have no doubt questing happened :}
VardaValar1: back
Eonwe Valar: WB :}
VardaValar1: Aye, much questing :-)
VardaValar1: We are also
VardaValar1: working on gold for the upcoming houses,
Glorfindel VG: non onboard
VardaValar1: and on rep to open up the special crafting areas near the housing.
Glorfindel VG: what is that?
VardaValar1: Sorry, which what? : )
Eonwe Valar: LotRO is bringing guild housing
VardaValar1: We also get personal housing
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VardaValar1: and storage and decorations.
VardaValar1: Aiyata Arien : )
AriehnV: Hantale )
Eonwe Valar: We're saving up guild over there to pay for it.
Eonwe Valar: Aye Varda, thanks.
Eonwe Valar: And wb Arien :}
VardaValar1: If we have personal housing up near the new kinhouse, we get a discount.
Eonwe Valar: Er, we're saving up gold, or we're saving up as a guild. Pick whicever sounds best to you and insert that above.
VardaValar1: Still being tested, but Anc has a cool deluxe personal house on Roheryn test server where we also have a branch.
VardaValar1: Both are correct, Eonwe. : )
VardaValar1: We are pooling gold for a kinhouse. : )
VardaValar1: We are doing the new reputation questing and crafting to open up crafting areas near housing.
VardaValar1: We are also trying to get main characters as far as we can through the epic book and chapter quests.
VardaValar1: *puff*
VardaValar1: And we are recruiting.
VardaValar1: New gentleman will probably join as soon as we are online at the same time, asked during the week after gaming with me.
VardaValar1: End report for now. : )
Eonwe Valar: Thanks Varda :}
Eonwe Valar: Over on WoW we're just happy to finally be getting a guild bank :}
VardaValar1: Will need a transcript emailed, purty please. : )
Eonwe Valar: I've got you covered :}
VardaValar1: Yay!
Eonwe Valar: Also under Gaming:
ArPharazonV: (will also send transcript)
Eonwe Valar: As mentioned last week during the Anniversary meeting, Fladrif and Ancalagon are working on a Silmarillion style card game. Please see the Forum post under "General Gaming" for more information and to contribute.
Eonwe Valar: Fladrif, is there anything you'd like to add?
Fladrifv: actually yes
Fladrifv: :-)
Fladrifv: So far we have one card made by varda, I was wondering if it was too unclear what to do or that it is preferred to have no influence in it and that we make the total game
Fladrifv: the idea is to get a nice amount of names and give the whole guild some influence in the process of creation
Eonwe Valar: If you or Ancalagon think something is too unclear, feel free to spell it out for us, or if any of you have questions, please ask :}
Eonwe Valar: first "you" being Flardif, second "you" being "you all"
Eonwe Valar: *Fladrif
Fladrifv: *bows* that was it for this
Eonwe Valar: Thanks Fladrif :}
Eonwe Valar: Anyone play anything besides WoW or LotRO this week?
Fladrifv: chess :-)
Fladrifv: feel free to challange me on
ArPharazonV: Dungeon Siege 1, continuing on...
ArPharazonV: at the main castle now, so I could say I was nearing the end, but I still have dungeons and a portion of an underworld to go
ArPharazonV: otherwise, just WoW
VardaValar1: "just WoW" ;-)
Eonwe Valar: Ok, looks like that's it for gaming.
ArPharazonV: just WoW aye, been grinding furbolg rep this week
VardaValar1: WoW and LotRO. : )
ArPharazonV: nearly at exalted, less than 100 spirit beads to collect :-)

Eonwe Valar: Let's move to Tolkien. Whisper me a topic or you get mine :}
Eonwe Valar: You were saved by Varda :}
VardaValar1: But now I'm curious as to what yours was. : )
ArPharazonV: let's have both topics and choose? :-)
VardaValar1: Do both : )
VardaValar1: Mine may not take long
VardaValar1: I think we actually have three.
VardaValar1: Fladrif's is a good one
VardaValar1: What are the main events, characters, items in the Silmarillion?
VardaValar1: That can be tricky, since the Sil has a lot of parts.
ArPharazonV: *grin* let me check my msn history with Fladrif, I just named a couple of em...
VardaValar1: Eonwe was kidding that he was going to bring up hair color in Elves, not bad really.
VardaValar1: Vanyar were supposed to be the blond ones, yet every mention of Sindar is blond or silver, and the silver is due to Melian's changing of Thingol and maybe others.
VardaValar1: Noldor black-haired and grey-eyed, as were the Edain.
ArPharazonV: weren't the Sindar originally grey-haired then?
VardaValar1: No.
VardaValar1: Thingol's hair was not silver until Melian affected it.
VardaValar1: Celeborn had silver hair, high-born Sinda, may have been related to Thingol but through brother Elmo, rather than directly.
VardaValar1: Amroth and Thranduil are stated to be blond, both high-born Sinda.
VardaValar1: Sindar.
VardaValar1: Red hair is not mentioned that I know of, but we see it pop up in brown-haired populations.
VardaValar1: My guess is that the Silvans might have had brown hair with rare reds.
VardaValar1: and maybe rare blondes.
VardaValar1: But I have not found one mention of a dark-haired Sinda.
VardaValar1: A yellow-haired elf is mentioned in Lorien, probably a Silvan, but he could also be Sinda like Celeborn, although that would suggest interesting history not mentioned
AriehnV: guess it would depend whether there were intermarriages with the Noldo
VardaValar1: about Celeborn bringing Sindar with him.
AriehnV: *depend on*
VardaValar1: It seems unlikely
VardaValar1: From early on, the Noldor were considered kinslayers
VardaValar1: Sindar and Teleri were directly related.
VardaValar1: Thingol even forebade using Noldor's Quenya language in speech.
VardaValar1: With such long lives, time passage is different and they need fewer children.
VardaValar1: But it is possible.
AriehnV: aye but there were careful contacts between the Noldo and the Elves of middlearth ... no?
VardaValar1: Glorfindel was a problem for Tolkien in more than one way. : )
VardaValar1: Glorfindel is said to be a golden-haired Noldo.
VardaValar1: Not royal, so not related to the house that carried Vanyar blood.
VardaValar1: Apparently Glorfindel was unusual in his hair color for Noldor, but this is a suggestion that there may have been rare others.
VardaValar1: Originally Glorfindel was to be written as one of the Sindar living in Rivendell.
VardaValar1: Then it was pointed out to JRRT that he had already written a Noldo Glorfindel in Sil. : )
VardaValar1: Instead of changing the name, he gave himself the challenge of saying it was the same one reborn. This caused all sorts of plot and ancestry conniptions, rather fun to play with.
VardaValar1: There were not a lot of Sindar left by the time of the War of the Ring.
ArPharazonV: maybe he was reborn with a different hair color ;-)
VardaValar1: hehe
VardaValar1: The name means golden-haired.
VardaValar1: So you suggest (kiddingly) that he had black hair? : )
ArPharazonV: well, I assume it was mentioned in his description in the Silm, so that argument would fall out of the window
ArPharazonV: but otherwise, it could have been a possible explanation!
VardaValar1: He could have been reborn with black hair. : )
VardaValar1: Also, Gondolin had Sindar in it.
VardaValar1: It was mixed.
VardaValar1: So it is possible that as Arien suggested, they could have mixed at that time.
VardaValar1: That was a long span of time when they co-existed closely and peacefully. Very possible.
VardaValar1: And Laiqualosse could have been Sinda. : )
VardaValar1: Did we cover your hair topic yet, Eonwe? : )
Eonwe Valar: You didn't dig into the HoME yet :}
VardaValar1: No? Tell me something new from there. Could be intriguing.
Eonwe Valar: But I think that's about as far as we can go with Sil and LotR.
VardaValar1: Tell *us : )
ArPharazonV: I have to be off, actually
VardaValar1: Namarie, Phar!
Eonwe Valar: I'd have to go digging behind other books to get my copy of HoME, unfortunately :}
Eonwe Valar: Take care, Phar :}
Fladrifv: namarie phar
VardaValar1: Do you vaguely recall something different? Purple hair like WoW?
Eonwe Valar: I no there's no pruple hair. That I would remember :}
Eonwe Valar: *purple
VardaValar1: hehe
Eonwe Valar: er, know. I've full of typos today.
Eonwe Valar: arg.
Fladrifv: green maybe?
VardaValar1: Fluent garble spoken here. Don't let it worry you...much. : )
ArPharazonV: saved
VardaValar1: You had something on red hair maybe?
ArPharazonV: and I doubt the existence of green hair, but it might do for the... Nandor, were they called?
VardaValar1: Green-elves, aye.
VardaValar1: Beren's people.
Fladrifv: :-)
VardaValar1: Hulquendi? ;-)
VardaValar1: oh that was bad.
ArPharazonV: allright, it's sent
VardaValar1: Thank you
ArPharazonV: Namarie!
Eonwe Valar: Nothing in particular do I recall about elven hair color.
VardaValar1: Eonwe, really, did you run across something unusual in HoMe about hair, that you're trying to dig up? Fanfic people everywhere want to know.
VardaValar1: ok
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VardaValar1: Fladrif's topic.
VardaValar1: Silmarillion event times that we might look at first.
Eonwe Valar: Sorry it took so long, was seeing if I could quickly reach my HoME and take a skim through.
VardaValar1: Main Sil areas
VardaValar1: go ahead, I type to myself fine. : )
AriehnV: ah well i have to follow my royal brother
AriehnV: i need to get up soon ;-)
VardaValar1: Namarie, Arien, and hope to see you again sometime on LotRO if we ever coincide.
VardaValar1: Hard to get Sun and Stars together. : )
AriehnV: Namarie ! a
VardaValar1: Namarie
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Eonwe Valar: I'm sure I've seen somewhat more detailed descriptions of Noldor if not all Elves somewhere in HoME, but don't recall where.
VardaValar1: Peoples of M-e?
VardaValar1: That would be too easy. : )
VardaValar1: Sil is divided into a few big main areas.
VardaValar1: First it's the Creation time, lot of Valar activity.
VardaValar1: That could be a game in itself.
Fladrifv: aye we were thinking of that
VardaValar1: Card: Aule raises mountain.
VardaValar1: Card: Melkor sinks mountain into valley.
VardaValar1: Card: Light from [insert light-maker] prevents Melkor from sinking mountain.
Fladrifv: *takes notes*
VardaValar1: Card: Reeks remove light.
VardaValar1: hehe
Fladrifv: thos types indeed but the prevention card will not be specific
VardaValar1: Card: Nessa dances and flowers spring up. Melkor's side loses one turn while watching.
Fladrifv: cards need to have a general meaning not just hate one :-)
VardaValar1: Tough, making up my own game. : )
Fladrifv: hihi
VardaValar1: Could be spaces go forward, back, lose cards, lose turns.
VardaValar1: Go around obstacle.
VardaValar1: Raise obstacle.
Fladrifv: chain of melkor would be a powerfull card
Fladrifv: you will not be able to move from your chair ever after....
VardaValar1: Card: Elves awaken at Cuivienen. Everyone scrambles to find them.
VardaValar1: I'll match Angainor vs it. : )
VardaValar1: I am no Hurin. : )
Fladrifv: cards like: yavannas blessing you gain 10 lives
VardaValar1: I must not be a Vala then, or 10 elves came to Valinor. :-)
VardaValar1: That's it!
VardaValar1: Lives of Elves going to Valinor or to Orcdom.
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Fladrifv: if we focus only on the first part of the sil the first set will be way to powerfull
VardaValar1: Aye.
Fladrifv: but the whole sil seems to be too much...hard choice
VardaValar1: That could be a game in itself.
Fladrifv: noldor will be a big part
VardaValar1: Then we have Wars of Beleriand.
VardaValar1: Noldor and Sindar vs Morgoth.
Fladrifv: with the nice equipment coming from that
VardaValar1: Has to have Earendil able to be born, go to Valinor to speak for both man and elf.
VardaValar1: That is how the game can be ended. Eonwe leads the forces of Valinor against Angband, end game.
VardaValar1: Try to make that happen or not happen, according to if you are dark or light.
VardaValar1: Earendil dies. Dark wins.
VardaValar1: Ok, you may now ignore everything I said. : )
Fladrifv: Earendil's Star, Maedhros' Stone, Maglor's Stone, The Iron Crown, Grond, Illuin, Ormal, Throne of Manwe.
Fladrifv: equipment names
VardaValar1: ok, so we focus on equipment of the time period of interest?
VardaValar1: Then we have Numenorean games!
VardaValar1: Faithful vs not so faithful : )
VardaValar1: Ships
VardaValar1: um
VardaValar1: Scepter of kingship as a widget they all want?
Fladrifv: equipment is one part we where thinking of that would be the total list of equipment I posted
VardaValar1: Valinorean period. Beleriand wars period. Numenorean period.
Fladrifv: did we miss any important things?
VardaValar1: If I could figure out the game, I might be able to answer that. : )
Fladrifv: hihi ok there we might have a key problem for many
VardaValar1: Fall of Gondolin.
Fladrifv: how to help if its hard to understand what way it will go
VardaValar1: Could make a number of mini-games within the Sil.
VardaValar1: Then maybe this was some faint aid to your cause. : )
VardaValar1: I may bring up my topic at another meeting. : )
VardaValar1: This has been long enough, really
Eonwe Valar: Shall we bang the gavel then?
VardaValar1: Aye
VardaValar1: Tired of listening to myself. : )
Eonwe Valar: *bangs gavel*
Fladrifv: *saved*
Eonwe Valar: Be free all :}
VardaValar1: Thank you

Fladrifv: oh one idea
Fladrifv: can we have one live day
Fladrifv: like the live week :-)
VardaValar1: Very hard to get people to actually be live
VardaValar1: There was some talk of keeping the chat room up most of the time, if anyone wished to
VardaValar1: Sure
VardaValar1: Just make it
Fladrifv: ok Ill be live the sundays from now on
VardaValar1: ? Aren't you usually?
VardaValar1: I see Arathorn, Pallando, Gilraen, but they are not speaking.
VardaValar1: Glorfindel was live briefly.
Glorfindel VG: I'm live
VardaValar1: Glorfindel, you were considering getting LotRO
VardaValar1: Have you tried it?
VardaValar1: Some people really love it, others would rather play WoW
VardaValar1: LotRO players often comment that WoW looks cartoony afterwards, have trouble going back.
VardaValar1: Yet some WoW players really don't like LotRO.
Fladrifv: I really like the cartoon style :-)
VardaValar1: You might want to hear the negative side some people have about LotRO before spending a lot.
Eonwe Valar: WoW wasn't meant to look realistic :}
VardaValar1: I play both, but prefer LotRO.
Fladrifv: I dont like realistic setting
VardaValar1: I was told some don't like the animation, or feel the place seems limited by having some realism.
VardaValar1: But it's not that real. : ) It's Middle-earth, and I'm a Middle-earth fan. So I like LotRO>
Fladrifv: another thing that totaly ruind my experience was being limited in movement
VardaValar1: How were you limited?
Fladrifv: couldnt walk into the sea...was an invisible wall
VardaValar1: You ran into the edge of a zone.
Fladrifv: couldnt swim to a different area again a invisible wall
VardaValar1: You can swim in most areas.
Fladrifv: aye but not across borders :-)
VardaValar1: The game is still being built
VardaValar1: Many areas become accessible as they are built.
VardaValar1: We are still in Eriador and will be expanding to Mordor.
VardaValar1: Where was that, Flad?
Fladrifv: I know but it was just something that hit me, dont know why but it felt limiting
Fladrifv: on the bridge near weathertop area
Fladrifv: jumped in water and swam away :-) (was a bit bored :S)
VardaValar1: I wonder if it was because you were on a test account?
Fladrifv: had the same problem in the beta that is why I tested it *grin*
VardaValar1: I could swim all the water around Weathertop, that I remember.
Fladrifv: ok hmm
VardaValar1: Reported it as a bug?
ArathornValar: heh Im at the beergardens .. I gots meself a rabid rabbit =)
VardaValar1: Maybe not thinking of the right place.
Fladrifv: no its not my game, only still wonder what it is that makes me feel unhappy with it
VardaValar1: You want to be in WoW where its familiar.
VardaValar1: Okies, np, to each his own.
VardaValar1: My own is Middle-earth. Enjoy Azeroth : )
Fladrifv: or atleast in toon fantasy land
VardaValar1: You tried only one race?
Fladrifv: dont like dungeon siege or morrowing :-)
Fladrifv: morrowind
Fladrifv: liked fable
Fladrifv: but didnt like oblivion
Fladrifv: tried all
Fladrifv: intro of the hobbits is the most fun :-)
VardaValar1: ok, no point in keeping your old character in the branch since you don't even plan on an account. : )
VardaValar1: ok, just not your game, got it.
VardaValar1: It's ok. : )
VardaValar1: I need to go do rl and maybe get lucky enough to get on LotRO
VardaValar1: Glorfy, just be sure to try out the game before you plunk down a lot of money.
VardaValar1: People have very different feelings about it.
Fladrifv: 7 day acounts work :-)
VardaValar1: Namarie
Fladrifv: namarie
VardaValar1 has left the room.
Glorfindel VG: Roller coaster tycoon is a fun game too
Fladrifv: aye!
Fladrifv: I just played fatal racing again...
Fladrifv: since 10 years whow that was fun
Glorfindel VG: what is fatal racing anyway
Fladrifv: let me find a screeny
Fladrifv: it has even a wiki
Fladrifv: ws=1
Fladrifv: if you ever want to play dos games on xp
Glorfindel VG: 1996, very nice :D
Glorfindel VG: gotta love those old games
Fladrifv: check dosbox, on your new machine you will be able to run all old games again :D
Glorfindel VG: Remeber a game called chip's challenge?
Glorfindel VG: i used to love that game
Glorfindel VG: or bang bang!
Glorfindel VG: really wish i could find that one lol
Fladrifv: never heard of
Fladrifv: any link?
Glorfindel VG: Not that I've been able to find
Glorfindel VG: those are really old
Fladrifv: see your im
Glorfindel VG: YEs! thats the one lol!
Glorfindel VG: beautiful
Fladrifv: np
Fladrifv: :-)
Glorfindel VG: Definately downloading that right now haha
Glorfindel VG: now all i need to find is roller coaster tycoon 1 and spider man cartoon maker
Fladrifv: lol all those dil8 sockets :-)
Fladrifv: rollercoaster tycoon is 5 euro
Fladrifv: 123 bundeled
Glorfindel VG: yeah I'm way behind the times
Glorfindel VG: i still play nes and snes
Fladrifv: that is the best :D
Fladrifv: zelda on the snes
Glorfindel VG: haha yup yup
Fladrifv: and mario kart...
Glorfindel VG: mario kart and street fighter 2
Fladrifv: I think I worned out the contact on that one
Glorfindel VG: still play those on a regular basis almost hahah
Fladrifv: dont you like boulderdash?
Glorfindel VG: i like the board game yeah
Glorfindel VG: never played it on the comp
Glorfindel VG: if you like mariokart
Glorfindel VG: check this out
Glorfindel VG: Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme Audio
Glorfindel VG: whoops
Glorfindel VG: &mode=related&search=
Glorfindel VG: there we go
Fladrifv: one word
Fladrifv: WOW
Glorfindel VG: lol
Glorfindel VG: its nuts
Fladrifv: genieous
Glorfindel VG: yeah before i saw that i thought i was good at that game
Fladrifv: I copy that
Glorfindel VG: ever play any of the final fantasys?
Fladrifv: no Im a nintendo only :-)
Fladrifv: ever played super widget? :P
Glorfindel VG: well, i'm pretty much nintendo only too
Glorfindel VG: ive never played any of the later ones yet
Glorfindel VG: just the nes and snes ffs
Glorfindel VG: never heard of super widget though
Fladrifv: its a game about the old telly sery widget
Fladrifv: really fun and cartoony
Glorfindel VG: what system
Fladrifv: snes
Fladrifv: I never played a nes that much
Glorfindel VG: you should try Ogre Battle for snes
Glorfindel VG: man thats a great game
Fladrifv: oh ok
Fladrifv: got stuck in lotr for snes :-)
Glorfindel VG: yeah i bought that game a long while back but never got too far lol
Glorfindel VG: Think I should get a new monitor for my new comp or just use the one ive got?
Glorfindel VG: but this one is pretty old, and i was wondering if the newer ones are better
Fladrifv: they are nowadays flat
Glorfindel VG: maybe they emit less rays and wont hurt my eys as much
Fladrifv: they flicker less
Fladrifv: are softer for the eye
Fladrifv: and smaller in size
Fladrifv: but you can always buy one seperate
Fladrifv: I have one btw you may have that one
Fladrifv: but will be some transport costs....
Glorfindel VG: really?
Fladrifv: aye 19 inch crt
Fladrifv: so a big one :-)
Fladrifv: more or less cubic
Glorfindel VG: Well I do have a monitor here, and it is quite big... But it always makes me eyes sore if ive been on it for more than 30 mins or so
Glorfindel VG: yeah this one is huge actually
Glorfindel VG: weighs like 40 lbs lol
Fladrifv: try tos et the refreshrate a little higher then :-)
Fladrifv: not at 60 but 75 atleast
Fladrifv: oh well, got to sleep now
Glorfindel VG: alrighty
Fladrifv: good luck, ill see you around
Glorfindel VG: thanks for the help!
Glorfindel VG: really appreciate it
Glorfindel VG: ttyl
Fladrifv: youre welcome
Eonwe Valar: Sleep well Fladrif
Fladrifv: you all too later on :-)
Fladrifv has left the room.
Eonwe Valar: Think I'll call it here. For some reason my computer is lagging pretty badly.
Eonwe Valar: Take care all, good night, sleep well, and have fun.