Valar Guild

November 11, 2007 Meeting

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Ar-Pharazon, Eonwe, and Varda

Attending: (13)
    Ancalagon-(V)/Sarujil, AragornValar1, ArathornValar (crashed), AriehnV, ArPharazonV, arwenv1, Eonwe Valar (presiding), Fangluin-(V)/MelchiahAC, fladrifv, Gilraenv, GlorfindelVG (crashed), Gwaihir Valar, VardaValar1 (crashed)

Meeting begins
    Varda and Fangorn (note: Fangorn will be gone for a week staring Monday for work)
    Hellgate: London
    WarCraft 3
    Dungeon Siege expansion
    Middle-earth mod for Diablo 2 Expansion
       General: patch 2.3 including new areas and guild bank
       Lothar server : Valar
       Argent Dawn : Valar, High Guard.
       Uldaman : Valar. Elwing was present for the Wednesday designated day.
    LotRO: Valar
       Trial account for Aragorn-(V) whose name is Telecontar
    Topic from Arien-(Valar): I recently read the Farmer Giles of Ham in an edition together with the master's original, previously untold version of that tale .. quite nice and something different to all the ME stories  But there are similarities, at least some same factors turn up in that story as they do for example in the Hobbit .. I wonder if we get them all together...

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AriehnV: aiya :-) i ll be back in a bit :-)
ArPharazonV: aiya, in AB right now :-)
AriehnV: good luck and show them hehe
ArPharazonV: ...we 5-noded them
ArPharazonV: that was fast...
ArPharazonV: 1 more then!
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GwaihirValar: hey folks
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ArPharazonV: Aiya all, in AB
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Eonwe Valar: Heya
GilraenV: Aiya folks :-)
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AragornValar1: aiya
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GwaihirValar: Just writing up my non-violent protest of the scryers in Shattrath post for the wow forums
GwaihirValar: if anyone wants to take a look ;-)
GwaihirValar: :-)
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Eonwe Valar: Varda's having some trouble getting in.
Eonwe Valar: We'll give it a couple more minutes to see if Varda can get in. If not, I'll go ahead and begin the meeting.
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VardaValar1: Aiya
Eonwe Valar: Heya. Glad to see you made it :}
VardaValar1: Rebooted. : )
Sarujil: aiya varda
VardaValar1: You have the con, Eonwe. : )
VardaValar1: Aiya Ancalagon : )
Eonwe Valar: I thought I might :}
VardaValar1: I'll try not to crash out.
Eonwe Valar: Ok, ladies and gents. Let's begin.
ArPharazonV: almost ready
AriehnV: back

Eonwe Valar: Elen Sila Lumenn Omentielvo!
Eonwe Valar: Member News:
Eonwe Valar: I believe it might be the right time of year to say Happy Birthday, Varda :}
VardaValar1: Aye, thanks. Nov 10 yesterday, reached the life level of 54. : )
AriehnV: Beppy Hirthday , Varda :-D
Sarujil: happy b-day varda!
VardaValar1: hehe - thank you both
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Eonwe Valar: Any other member news?
ArPharazonV: exam week over, have good feeling about it!
Eonwe Valar: :}
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VardaValar1: Fangorn is back too, he and I were gone all week.
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VardaValar1: Good luck, Ar-Pharazon!
ArathornValar: dang couldnt join room
ArPharazonV: I think it's a little late for luck :-)
Eonwe Valar: I have two exams this week. One not so bad, the other going to be interesting :}
ArPharazonV: and congratulations, Varda!
VardaValar1: Then perhaps we should wish "Good memory!"
ArathornValar: is that a good interesting or "omg my head's going to implode" interesdting? :-P
VardaValar1: hehe
Eonwe Valar: Hmm, Physics test. You decide :}
ArPharazonV: perhaps a "gonna fail horribly" interesting?
Eonwe Valar: No, not that bad :}
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Eonwe Valar: If there's no other member news, let's go on with Web.

Eonwe Valar: Web News:
Eonwe Valar: Any? :}
Eonwe Valar: No major web news in the Games Page front.

Eonwe Valar: Looks like we have no web news today, so on to Gaming news:
Eonwe Valar: New game out-
Eonwe Valar: Hellgate:London.
Eonwe Valar: This game was created by a group of former Blizzard employees who worked on the Diablo series.
Eonwe Valar: Flagship Studios is the name of their company.
Eonwe Valar: They've said in interviews that this game is the "spiritual successor" to Diablo. Of course since Blizzard owns the rights to the Diablo series, it couldn't be an actual sequel.
Eonwe Valar: Pallando so far has told me that he has it. If you decide to get it, let me know for the Games Page.
Eonwe Valar: There's no monthly fee to play it, but to get continuous updates, there is.
Eonwe Valar: Anyone play anything besides WoW and LotRO?
GwaihirValar: I've been playing wc3 a lot again lately
ArPharazonV: tried to play the expansion to Dungeon Siege, Legends of Aranna
AragornValar1: ive started my lotro trial on landroval
Eonwe Valar: I played the ME mod a bit :}
ArPharazonV: but a certain aspect of the game isn't working right, and I can't continue without it, and after trying out some forums the only answer I get is reinstalling...
ArPharazonV: so I might try that next week
Eonwe Valar: I found the Elessar and a unique Dark Elf claw :}
Eonwe Valar: Scatha's something-or-other I think.
Eonwe Valar: Sorry to hear that Phar.
Eonwe Valar: OK, on to WoW.
Eonwe Valar: New patch, 2.3 supposed to come out Tuesday (yes, they actually announced it, but only because it has to do with Season 3 Arena).
ArPharazonV: hmm, Zul'aman...
Eonwe Valar: Along with many other changes, we're supposed to be getting guild banks, though each page is going to be pretty expensive it appears.
Eonwe Valar: about 96 slots per page though.
GwaihirValar: If you want a bit of a wow-related laugh, go check out my post: Non-violent protest of the scryers in Shatt
GwaihirValar: <--- had some fun with his new card-game reward :-)
Eonwe Valar: hehe
Eonwe Valar: And, of course, new high-end content: Zul Aman and the Sunwell.
Eonwe Valar: new high-end raid content, that is.
GwaihirValar: Sunwell's in patch 2.4 actually
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Eonwe Valar: Pardon, Sunwell in 2.4
ArPharazonV: I hadn't heard about the Sunwell? what kind of instance is that?
Eonwe Valar: Zul Aman in this one.
ArPharazonV: related to CoT?
Eonwe Valar: 25-man as I recall.
Eonwe Valar: It will be up near Silvermoon.
ArPharazonV: ah
Eonwe Valar: Where the original Sunwell was.
GwaihirValar: Someone's trying to bring the sunwell back to life and use it for the same reason that Azshara tried to use the Well of Eternity for
GwaihirValar: there's also supposed to be a 5-man instance coming out with it too
ArPharazonV: sounds fun
ArPharazonV: and here I thought they were done with instances until the next expansion ;-)
GwaihirValar: these are the last of 'em lol
Eonwe Valar: Aye, these are likely going to be the last before Wrath of the Lich King. They don't want another Naxxramas happening, where when the expansion came out barely anyone had been in.
ArPharazonV: yup, makes a lot of sense
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ArPharazonV: speaking of Naxxramas, I have a story for you, but that can wait until Europe's turn :-)
Eonwe Valar: I think we can move to questing reports.
Eonwe Valar: Lothar:
Eonwe Valar: Another late Friday for me unfortunately, so I missed other Guild members on. I did group with Beline, though, and we went to Shadowmoon to harass the Blood Elves trying to train to be Demon Hunters.
Eonwe Valar: We freed Azaloth,... several times for kicks,... and watched him tear apart the captors, only to be taken down by one of the Demon Hunters, with Beline and I chiming in a well-timed Exorcism and/or Hammer of Wrath.
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Eonwe Valar: Beline = Dracxil's Paladin for those who do not recognize the Beline name.
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Eonwe Valar: I have no report from Uldaman for you.
Eonwe Valar: Arien, do you have an Argent Dawn report?
AriehnV: I think the reporting is more down to Phara tonight since we did no questing as such together
AriehnV: but tghere are news :-)
Eonwe Valar: News? ok.
ArPharazonV: allright! let's start with the biggest and most valar-related news that I have concerning WoW...
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ArPharazonV: after the old raidgroup based on my guild died, our guild has grown smaller and smaller, and its leaders less and less interested, and basically gave up on it...
ArPharazonV: I wasn't ready to give up hope yet on what's still the oldest guild on the server, however, and stepped up to take over as active leader
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ArPharazonV: my leadership skills aren't that good, but I figured, someone has to try
ArPharazonV: so, I became leader of The High Guard, promoted some active people, and invited a few new people into the guild
ArPharazonV: and among these new people, are 1 character belonging to Arien and one belonging to Menelvagor
ArPharazonV: so we're all a bit united in the same guild once again!
AriehnV: :-)
fladrifv: Aiya, sorry little late
ArPharazonV: considering Menelvagor was a co-founder of this guild, he was especially glad to be back after 2 years :-)
fladrifv: am I still in the guild arphar?
ArPharazonV: you are!
ArPharazonV: well, I haven't checked, but unless your account has been deleted, you should be there
AriehnV: and so is Valandile btw whom he plays on and off
ArPharazonV: yep
ArPharazonV: so now we have another place to communicate, especially one that brings back 2 year old memories
ArPharazonV: and we're integrating a bit more :-)
fladrifv: I rejoin once again when the expansion comes
ArPharazonV: great!
ArPharazonV: another piece of news, some raidgroups (including our group that is actually months dead already) came together to form a 40-man this weekend, and we raided Naxxramas in the Eastern Plaguelands with 40 lvl 70s
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ArPharazonV: we were the first on the server to see Sapphiron and Kel'thuzad...
ArPharazonV: and the first to kill them
ArPharazonV: so even though we're 10 levels higher than we should be, and it's a year since its release, it's still an achievement to clear Naxx for the first time ;-)
Eonwe Valar: Congrats.
ArPharazonV: also, last news, I want to start raiding more regularly again, so I applied to a raidgroup that best fits my schedule
ArPharazonV: and I hope I get accepted eventually, after a time of trial :-)
ArPharazonV: one of the raids continues on Sunday right up to the start of the meeting, but it shouldn't be much of a problem
Eonwe Valar: ? You're going to try to keep one group together and still be available to raid for another group?
ArPharazonV: well, our guild is pretty small and not raiding, and requires little maintenance
ArPharazonV: and the raidgroup is quite casual, with a minimal attendance of 2 raids a week
Eonwe Valar: Heh, minimal attendence.
ArPharazonV: so it should be fine
ArPharazonV: no, not even a minimal attendance
ArPharazonV: a minimal availability, even
ArPharazonV: so even if you're around for 2 out of 4 raidnights, you're still in
ArPharazonV: that seems rather casual to me :-)
ArPharazonV: it should all fit right in with my study etc
ArPharazonV: I just can't stay away from the 25-man instances ;-)
Eonwe Valar: Well, good luck with that.
ArPharazonV: thanks
ArPharazonV: and that's my news
fladrifv: 2 evenings a week...wish I had them ;-)
ArPharazonV: hehe
AragornValar1: i wish i could stay away from pvp :-)
AragornValar1: ive been grinding pretty hard for s3
fladrifv: kick - rejoin pve- your done :-)
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AragornValar1: :-)
AragornValar1: but its not the same!
Eonwe Valar: Did you have any more news, Phar?
ArPharazonV: nope
ArPharazonV: your floor!
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Eonwe Valar: Varda's having problems getting back in once again, so if someone who plays LotRO could volunteer a LotRO report, I'd appreciate it.
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MelchiahAC: Hello?
Eonwe Valar: Heya Glorfindel and Fangluin :}
Eonwe Valar: Welcome Fangluin to the Valar Guild Sunday meeting :}
MelchiahAC: Oh goodness. Hello. heheh
Eonwe Valar: Varda told me you were on, so I extended an invite :}
ArPharazonV: Aiya Fangluin!
Eonwe Valar: Hmm, looks like Glorfindel is having the same problems Varda is having on staying in the channel.
AriehnV: Aiya there :-)
MelchiahAC: I haven't been active... at all... in the Valar Guild for quite some time.
MelchiahAC: I can send everything I have to the clan once I get back home in a few weekends or so, but I might as well tell everyone now that I'm leaving... probably for good. I'm sorry.
Eonwe Valar: Sorry to hear that, Fangluin. Any reason in particular?
MelchiahAC: College
MelchiahAC: gah
Eonwe Valar: Are you talking of leaving simply our LotRO branch, or our guild oeverall?
Eonwe Valar: We have many of us in college :}
MelchiahAC: I'm thinking of leaving the game entirely
GwaihirValar: If you feel it necessary, we'll be sorry to see you go. But I haven't been terribly active either, you could stick around just on friend terms, no reason to cut ties afterall ;-)
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Eonwe Valar: Ah, but you know there is more to us than just LotRO, right? :}
MelchiahAC: I know, but it's not only college. A lot of my close friends are going thru some hard stuff, and they're like sisters to me. And I need to be there for them right now. This stuff just takes a lot of time to sort out
GwaihirValar: Well if you feel there's no alternative. I hope things go well for you
GwaihirValar: :-)
Eonwe Valar: Well, ok Fangluin, if you think it's best for you.
MelchiahAC: I won't cut ties if I don't have to, but I should at least give my stuff away
MelchiahAC: Thank you. I probably will be on from time to time. Maybe Christmas break. We have a month and a half long break. That's some time ;-)
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Eonwe Valar: We have members playing many games and in many states of activity do to real life interferences.
Eonwe Valar: As long as you're able to stay in contact to some extent, or at least tell us before you go without contact for an extended time, your name and spot in the Valar Guild is typically safe.
MelchiahAC: Thank you. I'll be going now, tho. I'm sorry. I hope things go well.
Eonwe Valar: So should we keep you on the rolls? :}
MelchiahAC: If you don't have to remove me :P
Eonwe Valar: Just want to make sure before you go. Don't want any mistakes :}
MelchiahAC: Then yes
Eonwe Valar: Then you're still a member of the overall guild, whatever you do in LotRO unless you say different :}
Eonwe Valar: Feel free to leave your chars there as well though :}
MelchiahAC: Thank you. I bid you all a very fond farewell. I am going now. Goodbye... until we meet again ;-)
Eonwe Valar: Take care Fangluin :}
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Eonwe Valar: May things go well for you, and good luck in college :}
Eonwe Valar: Bah, missed him.
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Glorfindel VG: what was that all about :o
VardaValar1: Aiya! Made it in. :-)
Eonwe Valar: That's one of our LotRO members.
Eonwe Valar: Fangluin.
Eonwe Valar: Was assertaining if he was leaving for good or just the LotRO branch, and letting him know he doesn't have to drop ties completely :}
Eonwe Valar: Looks like he's staying :}
Eonwe Valar: As an overall member at least.
Eonwe Valar: No one has volunteered a LotRO report.
VardaValar1: I can tell a short time today
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VardaValar1: We had a full group in LotRO in a new area in Angmar in the Rift
VardaValar1: plus others who were not in that group. So we had quite a few people
VardaValar1: A fellowship is six
VardaValar1: Not having been on all week till a little while today, not much else to say. : )
VardaValar1: Ancalagon/Sarujil was on much more than I, if he's present to tell a bit?
VardaValar1: *pokes black dragon*
VardaValar1: Guess he's afk : )
VardaValar1: but
VardaValar1: Aragorn has a trial account, using the name Telecontar
VardaValar1: So we can put him on our friend list. He's from Sweden so he's in that time zone that quite a few of the group is in.
VardaValar1: I'm done.
Eonwe Valar: Thanks.
Eonwe Valar: Gwaihir missed the member section and asked to insert some member news after the gaming news. Since it looks like we've reached that point, go ahead Gwaihir.
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GwaihirValar: thanks
GwaihirValar: Just a little thing, just wanted to say that starting next year I'm going to be taking online/correspondance university courses ;-)
Eonwe Valar: Cool :}
Eonwe Valar: Any degree course in particular chosen?
Eonwe Valar: Or still considering that?
ArPharazonV: people, I have to be off
ArPharazonV: I'll save and send
Eonwe Valar: Take care Phar.
GwaihirValar: Computer Sciences, naturally :-)
GwaihirValar: or well, Computing and Information Technology is the official title of the degree
GwaihirValar: cya Phar
ArPharazonV: saved
Eonwe Valar: Varda says make sure you'll get transferrable credit :}
GwaihirValar: well I'm planning on taking the entire degree
GwaihirValar: through there
GwaihirValar: the university is entirely online/correspondance
GwaihirValar: so I can take my entire degree through them, all online and correspondance
GwaihirValar: and its an accredited institution ;-)
ArPharazonV: Eonwe, with Varda's trouble with the room, I assume you're saving the rest?
Eonwe Valar: Yes
Eonwe Valar: Ok Gwaihir :} I wish you luck with your pursuit of a university degree :}
ArPharazonV: Namarie all!
Eonwe Valar: Ok, meeting ran a bit longer than I thought, so let's jump into Tolkien chat.
Eonwe Valar: Take care Phar :}
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GwaihirValar: is the website for the university
Eonwe Valar: Thanks Gwaihir :}
GwaihirValar: np :-)

Eonwe Valar: Tolkien:
Eonwe Valar: Arien has a topic, so her floor :}
AriehnV: thank you Eonwe :-) and it is a bit unusual since i dont know how many have actual the background knowledge for it but let s try
AriehnV: Recently i read the Farmer Giles of Ham , one of Tolkiens other stories set in a fictional sort of medieval england
AriehnV: it is a slight difference to what we know from the middlearth stories but there are similarities .. especially to the hOBBIT
AriehnV: . I was wondering if we can get them all together, these parallells<
AriehnV: ?
AriehnV: or at least some of them
Eonwe Valar: Give us an example to get us started :}
AriehnV: One obvious example is that in both story there is a dragon that features more or less prominently
Eonwe Valar: True, Smaug in Hobbit and Crysophylax in Farmer Giles.
AriehnV: Chrysophylax in Farmer Giles and Smaug in the Hobibit
AriehnV: hehe
Eonwe Valar: Hmm, the idea of the quest.
Eonwe Valar: Farmer Giles goes on a series of quests, as does Bilbo.
Eonwe Valar: Before we go too much further, how many here are familiar with Farmer Giles?
Eonwe Valar: Or at least how many are here and are familiar with it :}
Eonwe Valar: It is a nice little story.
GwaihirValar: I'm afraid I'm not familiar
Eonwe Valar: Don't make me assign it as homework :}
GwaihirValar: Luckily I'm not taking Eonwe's Tolkien Writings 101 I guess ;-)
GwaihirValar: Although it'd prolly be easier than the other courses I have to take...
Eonwe Valar: Very lucky :}
Eonwe Valar: Hmm, since you're already familiar with a portion of the source material, it might be at that :}
Eonwe Valar: In seriousness, It is a nice little story set outside Middle-Earth, I think in a smiliar if not equal vein of the Hobbit, so it is worth a read.
AriehnV: it is and if its only to hunt for parallels :-)
Eonwe Valar: I believe I first read it out of a copy of the Tolkien Reader I got in a library.
AriehnV: so you can answer my question next week hehe
Eonwe Valar: It also comes paired with another story,.. let me check my book case.
AriehnV: Roverandom i think
AriehnV: thats what it was originally published with in one volume but in the edition i have its only with the first version that tolkien wrote
Eonwe Valar: Smith of Wooten Major.
Eonwe Valar: My personal copy pairs Farmer Giles with Smith of Wooten Major.
Eonwe Valar: And it seems I'd forgotten I have a copy of Tolkien's translations of Sir Gawain and the Green Knight, Pearl, and Sir Orfeo.
Eonwe Valar: Now if only I had hit copy of Beowulf.
Eonwe Valar: hit = his
AriehnV: ah , that sounds right two beause the editors and publishers have had different ideas about that
AriehnV: its so short it was not enough to fill one book
AriehnV: or so they said
Eonwe Valar: Still pretty shor for a book even paired with something else.
Eonwe Valar: *short
AriehnV: *nods*
Eonwe Valar: only about 145 pages.
Eonwe Valar: *155
GwaihirValar: I'm gonna go lie down and watch tv for a little while. Enjoy your discussion, and have a good night :-)
Eonwe Valar: Anyway, we have two parallels.
Eonwe Valar: I don't think we're going to wrench any more out of anyone tonight :}
Eonwe Valar: Take care Gwaihir :} Get some reading in too :}
GwaihirValar: nah, I read about 8 hours a day... thats enough for me to do without needing to read much at home ;-)
Eonwe Valar: hehe
GwaihirValar: work + bus rides = lots of reading
GwaihirValar: lol
AriehnV: a miller that is not vry close to our somewhat reluchtant hereo ;-)
fladrifv: *looks up out of his homework* good idea Im going to sleep too
GwaihirValar: farewell :-)
AriehnV: namarie :-)
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Eonwe Valar: Take care :}
fladrifv: Namarie
AriehnV: well my night is pretty short as well , friends but my tip is to give the story a chance
AriehnV: hope ye got a scent of it
Eonwe Valar: Aye, let's call it here.
Eonwe Valar: And if you think my Tolkien 101 class is hard, you should take my advanced class :}
Eonwe Valar: Anyway,.. :}
Eonwe Valar: *Bangs Gavel*

Eonwe Valar: You're free :}
fladrifv: yay
Eonwe Valar: If you can't read Tolkien, just read :}
fladrifv: acoustic tentamination here I come
Eonwe Valar: Make your kids read :}
Eonwe Valar: If they can't read, read to them :}
AriehnV: rest well folks :-) go with the light or i might pick your pocket *stealthes out*
fladrifv: there is one step more to do then :-)
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