Valar Guild

March 11, 2007 Meeting

5pm EST (GMT - 5); (GMT = 22:00)
AIM: Valar Guild Meetingplace

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Eonwe-(Valar) and Varda-(Valar)

Attending: (11)
    Members: Ancalagon-(V)/Sarujil, Arwen V1, AuSteinM-(TV), Beorn-(V)/TwoSurlyDwarves, Bombur-(V)/MrMonkey2002Blah, Eonwe Valar (presiding), FinduilasV, Gilraen-(V)+Gwaihir-(Valar)/Star of Phaet, Orodreth V/Oessala, VardaValar1
    Visitors: Srekal86

Meeting begins
    Time change in the US started three weeks early.
    Orodreth passed his Maia test! Hail Pallando-(Valar)!
       Info from LotRO gamers
       Argent Dawn
    Topic 1 from Eonwe: Comparisons of characters, what they were compared to, etc
    Topic 2 from Beorn: First readings of Tolkien's books
    Topic 3 from Varda: Why First and Second-born? Why not at the same time? Why let them ever see each other?
    Eonwe Valar: Homework assignment: Write an article on your Tolkien namesake and send to Varda for inclusion in the Encyclopedia.Use complete sentences and include references. :}
    Belated reports included above

You have just entered room "valarguildmeetingplace."
Arwen V1 has entered the room.
MrMonkey2002Blah has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar: Heya all.
Eonwe Valar: Remembered to turn your clocks aheadan hour last night I hope? :}
Sarujil: hi
Eonwe Valar: Sp is this everyone who remembered?
Eonwe Valar: Or at least everyone who logs in early?
Sarujil: looks like
TwoSurlyDwarves has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar: There's another.
Eonwe Valar: Ok, guess we'll begin shortly.
TwoSurlyDwarves: yarr
TwoSurlyDwarves: I was worried I'd be late
Eonwe Valar: Nope
Eonwe Valar: I thought I'd give people a little extra time since Daylight Saving Time is coming 3 weeks early this year.
Eonwe Valar: But this looks like every we're gona get short of giving everyone another hour :}
Eonwe Valar: Ok, this might should be a quick meeting.
Eonwe Valar: scratch out "might"
Eonwe Valar: Let's go ahead and begin.

Eonwe Valar: Elenn Sila Lumenn Omentielvo!
Eonwe Valar: Membership:
Eonwe Valar: Congrats to you all for being here on time :}
Eonwe Valar: Varda's completed the sweep, and 14 full members have been dropped for no contact.
Eonwe Valar: Full list on the News page. If you've seen one of those around and they still want to be a member, let them know they need to get in contact immediately.
Eonwe Valar: Spring Break is coming up for some of us, so be safe and have fun if you go anywhere.
Eonwe Valar: Any other member news?
Eonwe Valar: Ok, on to Web news:
Orodreth V has left the room.
MrMonkey2002Blah: NOOOOOOOOOO
Eonwe Valar: Um, Problem Bombur?
MrMonkey2002Blah: orodreth hath abandoned us
Eonwe Valar: OK, so you shout "No" ?
MrMonkey2002Blah: It was an act of grief
Eonwe Valar: He'll be back I'm sure :}
Eonwe Valar: We are in the middle of the meeting :}
Eonwe Valar: Please control your urge to shout onto the screen :}

Eonwe Valar: Web News:
Eonwe Valar: New Art for Turgon's cave under our Glittering Caves art page:
Eonwe Valar: Dol Amroth.
Eonwe Valar: New stories on the Stories page:
Eonwe Valar: "Second-Born" by Alasse Merenrel-(TV)
Sarujil has left the room.
Eonwe Valar: "Dark Visions" a part of the "Mellon Chronicles" by Cassia and Siobahn
Eonwe Valar: The latter is a reprint onto our page.
Eonwe Valar: Any other Web news?

Eonwe Valar: Ok, on to Gaming News:
Eonwe Valar: Dare I ask if anyone's played anything besides WoW?
TwoSurlyDwarves: I have
Eonwe Valar: What was it?
TwoSurlyDwarves: I got a trial account for Eve
Eonwe Valar: Ah
TwoSurlyDwarves: been trying it out
TwoSurlyDwarves: pretty cool
Eonwe Valar: Cool
Eonwe Valar: Anyone else?
Eonwe Valar: Ok, on to the Lothar report.
Eonwe Valar: This week it was Eonwë, Varda, and Fangorn in Terrokar Forest on Draenor.
Sarujil has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar: We completed "Cure for Zahlia," "Fate of Tuurem," "The Eyes of Skettis" quest line, and "Skywing."
Eonwe Valar: The firstthree were standard fare, getting items, checking stuff out, etc. The last was an escort quest, but it required something no other escort quest has: jumping to another building platform.
Eonwe Valar: Also, we marched into danger as opposed to trying to escape from it.
Eonwe Valar: So try it if you can :}
Eonwe Valar: That concludes the Lothar report :}
Eonwe Valar: Don';t forget that the Open beta for LotR online begins March 30th for those who pre-ordered the game, and there are several benefits for pre-ordering.
Eonwe Valar: If you plan to play the game, make sure you've contacted Varda, who's going to be our lead Valie there.
Eonwe Valar: Now, if you have a Tolkien topic, whisper it :}
Eonwe Valar: Otherwise, we get mine :}
Eonwe Valar: Say "Aye" if you're even here right now :}
TwoSurlyDwarves: aye
Eonwe Valar: That two of us.
TwoSurlyDwarves: lol
TwoSurlyDwarves: good thing I wasn't late :P
Eonwe Valar: hehe

Eonwe Valar: Ok, so do you have a Tolkien topic? ;}
TwoSurlyDwarves: not off the top of my head
TwoSurlyDwarves: I know, odd for me
Eonwe Valar: The one coming to mind for me right now is concerning comparisons of characters, what they were compared to, etc :}
TwoSurlyDwarves: lol - like Bilbo being called an animal? :p
TwoSurlyDwarves: you just want a hint - lol
Eonwe Valar: Aye :}
Eonwe Valar: Actually, I fully admit I should reread the Hobbit.
Eonwe Valar: after about 7 readings of LotR and 3-5 of the Sil, not including rereading of small sections for research, the Hobbit has become a bit fuzzy to me.
TwoSurlyDwarves: yeah, like me and bits of LotR after focusing on HoME and the Sil for so long
Eonwe Valar: My most recent peek at the Hobbit was when I was looking up info on Erebor, Dale, and the Arkenstone for the RP.
TwoSurlyDwarves: yeah, I tend to use it like a reference book and forget sometimes that it's a great story
Eonwe Valar: Hmm, I don't suppose one of your references to him being compared to a rabbit falls under that part of the book? :}
TwoSurlyDwarves: Nope, all of them happen before Mirkwood - I'll give you that much
Eonwe Valar: heh, ok
TwoSurlyDwarves: I've been rereading The Hobbit lately, reminds me of when I was 7 and handed my first copy
Eonwe Valar: I read the Hobbit in my teens. Could've read it before, no real urge to before then :}
Eonwe Valar: I read LtoR for the first time at 11.
TwoSurlyDwarves: ahh
Eonwe Valar: *LotR
TwoSurlyDwarves: I had the chicken pox when I was seven, and was bored out of my mind. My uncle handed me The Hobbit, and I read it in two days.
TwoSurlyDwarves: When I saw him next, I asked him what was next
TwoSurlyDwarves: So he handed me LotR, and I read that in about a week and a half.
TwoSurlyDwarves: Been hooked ever since
VardaValar1 has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Hail
Eonwe Valar: Well, it takes me generally longer than a week and a half to read LotR :}
Eonwe Valar: Heya Varda :} Welcome to Tolkien Chat :}
VardaValar1: oboy
VardaValar1: Yes, my clocks still say 4pm CST, 5pm EST. Very embarrassing :-)
Eonwe Valar: NP :}
Eonwe Valar: You're not the only one :}
TwoSurlyDwarves: Eonwe has cleverly started Tolkien Chat in an attempt to get me to answer my own trivia question - lol
VardaValar1: I didn't put it on the News
VardaValar1: Have to watch out for the leader of the armies of the Valar. ;-)
Eonwe Valar: The list of names above you, excluding Orodreth who dropped or left in the process, is the complete meeting roster :}
VardaValar1: May have something to do with my not having sent out invites.
Eonwe Valar: I sent out invites to everyone on my list.
VardaValar1: Do we have anything left of Tolkien chat? What are we talking about? :-)
Eonwe Valar: Only Gelmir, Gilraen, and Farmer Maggot are on my list as not having accepted invites.
Orodreth V has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar: Well, it's sort of a loose Tolkien chat. Some chat about Hobbit, moving into when we first read the books and what we remember of them :}
VardaValar1: Aiya Orodreth : )
Srekal86 has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar: I admitted to needing to reread the Hobbit based on Beorn's trivia question, he admitted his LotR was fuzzy :}
Srekal86: you guys are way late :p
Orodreth V: Beorn still around?
TwoSurlyDwarves: still around
Eonwe Valar: We're in Tolkien chat :}
Srekal86: dangit!
Srekal86: I thought someone else forgot about the time change like me.
Eonwe Valar: hehe :}
Oessala has entered the room.
VardaValar1: No, I'm way late. Eonwe started on time.
Srekal86: ah, so varda and I are in the same boat ;-)
VardaValar1: *passes spare paddle*
Eonwe Valar: I even popped into WoW real quick at the beginning to try and drag some of them in if there was anyone there :}
VardaValar1: I need to help Elwing enter, brb
Eonwe Valar: ok :}
Orodreth V: I was here
Orodreth V: but then my comp crashed
Eonwe Valar: So, now that we have a few more, anyone have a new Tolkien Topic? :}
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Eonwe Valar: I first read Book of Lost Tales 1 at the age of 14. That's when I started collecting the HoME series.
Eonwe Valar: Heya Gilraen :}
Star of Phaet: Aiya from both of us here :-)
Eonwe Valar: Heya to Gwaihir as well :}
Eonwe Valar: Either of you have a tolkien Topic for us? :}
Star of Phaet: he waves : )
Star of Phaet: neither of us can think of anything, I'm afraid
VardaValar1: back
Eonwe Valar: wb :}
VardaValar1: More crashes?
VardaValar1: Elwing is havng a lot of trouble with our upstairs computers. The AIM isn't working on them
VardaValar1: Who do we have here live?
AuSteinM has entered the room.
AuSteinM: Aiya
VardaValar1: Aiya AuStein!
VardaValar1: Who is still connected and live? : )
FinduilasV has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Srekal said he restarted his comp
VardaValar1: Aiya Fin!
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TwoSurlyDwarves: I'm not
FinduilasV: Aiya all together
VardaValar1: There we go
VardaValar1: Eru made the First and Second born. He adopted Dwarves.
VardaValar1: But he planned on the first and the second.
VardaValar1: Why first and second? Why not at the same time? Why let them ever see each other?
Orodreth V: shortlived humans would have had a harder time establishing themselves against morgoth
Orodreth V: but with the elves paving the way, and then teaching the humans, it lead to a better world for all (tm)
Eonwe Valar: Well, Elves are in nature similar to the Ainur. Perhaps they came first to ease the transition to a short-lived world.
Eonwe Valar: Afk for a minute.
VardaValar1: Beorn, what say you?
TwoSurlyDwarves: I'm not really sure, I'm thinking on it
VardaValar1: It is not an easy question. Thought piece.
Orodreth V: Totally came up wih that off the top of my head, btw
VardaValar1: We are not arguing with Eru, but trying to see his mind.
Orodreth V: FReel free to poke holes in it
VardaValar1: Sounded good, Orodreth.
FinduilasV: Eru had two themes of the music from the beginning .. and one had to be the first
FinduilasV: there always will be first born and then the yojunger ones
VardaValar1: In a family, the first and the youngest often have different roles. Is this analogous?
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VardaValar1: How did the elves pave the way for the second-born?
FinduilasV: well they had learning .. they taught Men to read and to write
VardaValar1: True
FinduilasV: and music
Orodreth V: learning/bastions of power to protect the infant race of man.
VardaValar1: Finrod picked up one of the human's harps and played it. They thought they were in a dream at first.
FinduilasV: aye, it must have seemed like it
FinduilasV: Then the Elves had townships, artefacts, houses , towns , things unknown to men
VardaValar1: Some humans escaped their slavery under Morgoth and entered Beleriand where Finrod first found them.
FinduilasV: well fortresses and towns , cities i should say
VardaValar1: He earned the title "Friend of Man"
VardaValar1: The humans who stayed with the Elves showed a similar effect to the Elves who were near the Valar.
VardaValar1: They were longer-lived, stronger, taller, better-educated.
VardaValar1: They became the Edain, kings of Men.
VardaValar1: So the Elves trained up those who would lead Mankind after they came out from under the thumb of Morgoth.
FinduilasV: yes only the three houses that stayed friendly with the Elves were called Edain
VardaValar1: The Elves made up for the damage caused by Morgoth, and perhaps improved mankind beyond what they would have been, since Man knew how bad it could really be.
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VardaValar1: So I completely agree with Orodreth. :-)
Orodreth V: yay
FinduilasV: What did he say? i must have missed it
Orodreth V: [16:33] Orodreth V: shortlived humans would have had a harder time establishing themselves against morgoth[16:34] Orodreth V: but with the elves paving the way, and then teaching the humans, it lead to a better world for all (tm)
VardaValar1: Pardon, we were hunting for available Valar or Maiar
Eonwe Valar: Let's call the meeting here. Looks like we've got as much chat out of everyone as we're going to.
Eonwe Valar: *Bangs Gavel*

Eonwe Valar: Homework assignment: Write an article on your Tolkien namesake and send to Varda for inclusion in the Encyclopedia.Use complete sentences and include references. :}
VardaValar1: hehe - that would be wonderful.
FinduilasV: done already :-)
VardaValar1: Fast, Fin. : )
Eonwe Valar: Then you get an A for your assignment :}
FinduilasV: /cheer
FinduilasV: /me cheers
FinduilasV: Orophin helped Failivrin to get through to Thermaplugg in Gnomregan yesterday
FinduilasV: he and a warrior named bialywilk, a good friend of mine
FinduilasV: not long afterwards my wee tankalass went with raiding friends again, both offtanking and dpssing , nice change
FinduilasV: /
FinduilasV: good night :-)
FinduilasV has left the room.
Eonwe Valar: Good night :}
VardaValar1: back
VardaValar1: Belated bye to Fin
VardaValar1: Ancalagon and I have been on LotRO
VardaValar1: We found that kinship rules have changed and will affect us on the upcoming wipe, the one for Open Beta when all of you with pre-orders can come in.
Sarujil: i hope some of you have pre orders :-)
VardaValar1: I'll be buying the new Mixed Race Kinship Charter so we can have any race.
VardaValar1: I do, Eonwe and his brother do
Eonwe Valar: So there's different types of charters now eh.
VardaValar1: Aye. Charters are by race.
VardaValar1: It's much easier to start together with the same race.
VardaValar1: I start out as an Elf, using Fainan as the name each time, as it won't be taken normally, being invented from Quenya.
VardaValar1: But after leaving newbie zones, we can all get together in the same area
VardaValar1: So mixed race is not a problem.
VardaValar1: The charter requires 6 members inside 24 hours.
VardaValar1: So we have to get together within that time or buy a new charter.
VardaValar1: Since I have the only character with an easily identifiable name, it's been the one for contact. So it's the one who buys the charter.
VardaValar1: Any officer can invite.
VardaValar1: I've been giving "officer" status, not Maia status,
VardaValar1: to people who show up a lot and help out in the branch.
VardaValar1: They help other members join in.
VardaValar1: Huge help!
VardaValar1: Ancalagon and Dis have been a great help that way. : )
VardaValar1: Orome and Melkor have too, but on a little less.
VardaValar1: Melkor has been on vacation and will be back mid-April
VardaValar1: When LotRO goes live, we would like to use the Valar Guild forum for listing our crafting and where we are in the book and chapter quests.
VardaValar1: We would like to help each other through those and keep a group of characters together to run them.
VardaValar1: That's all I was going to say on LotRO. : )
VardaValar1: The server names change every wipe, so we will be posting our main server everywhere we can think to post it. Currently Meneldur.
Eonwe Valar: Afk for a sec.
Eonwe Valar: back
VardaValar1: Welcome back
Eonwe Valar: Thanks.
VardaValar1: Humor site may have to be run by me if we can't get through to Alatar to help Menelvagor.
VardaValar1: I will do it as interim, if anyone wants to send in links or add to the humor sections.
VardaValar1: We have a number of different joke themes you can add to. : )
VardaValar1: Email me your text jokes, photomanips, or drawn comics, and I'll take care of them.
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Eonwe Valar: Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a new Maia.
Eonwe Valar: No more will you see the face of Orodreth, for he is gone.
Eonwe Valar: In his place is the Maia Palando :}
Eonwe Valar: *Pallando
Sarujil: Grats Pallando!
VardaValar1 has entered the room.
Oessala: Thanks. :-)
Eonwe Valar: WB Varda
VardaValar1: Thank you : )
VardaValar1: Congratulations to Pallando!
VardaValar1: We need to turn Eonwe loose for now : )
VardaValar1: Thank you for your help!
Eonwe Valar: MP
Eonwe Valar: Ok everyone, saying the meeting minutes for the last time, the heading off to study.
Eonwe Valar: *saving
AuSteinM: Good night
VardaValar1: Namarie!
Sarujil: later
Eonwe Valar: Take care all, good night, sleep well, and have fun.
Eonwe Valar: Congrats once again, Pallando.
VardaValar1: Not necessarily in that order.
Eonwe Valar: Don't forget to update your screen name on the Forum :}