June 24, 2007 Meeting
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AIM: Valar Guild Meetingplace
Transcript work by: Ar-Pharazon
AriehnV, ArPharazonV, Eonwe Valar, VardaValar1 (presiding)
One new member: Celeborn-(V)
One new story online this week: "Curse of Angmar"
Numerous works in progress.
Games page update progressing
WC3: Arien, Ar-Pharazon, Fladrif
StarCraft/BroodWar: Eonwe, Varda
LotRO: many members. Summer
WoW special get-together days:
Names of Arien
Added new link to the Links page for a language
You have just entered room "valarguildmeetingplace."
VardaValar1: Aiya :-)
ArPharazonV: Saw Pirates of the Caribbean 3 today! Downloaded version,
but still :-)
Eonwe Valar has entered the room.
AriehnV has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya :-)
Eonwe Valar: Heya all
ArPharazonV: it didn't include the post-credits scene though, which was
a shame... but I guess I'll see that some other time
AriehnV: Aiya there :-)
VardaValar1: I thought the post-credits scene wrapped up the movie, a
good ending for it.
VardaValar1: Pirates 3 talk, arrr
ArPharazonV: immediately following I downloaded the entire soundtrack
for both films 2 and 3... good music, that
AriehnV: just let me hand in this quest at this horrible demon and i ll
be with you
Eonwe Valar: Afk for a moment.
VardaValar1: Be careful, Arien : )
ArPharazonV: I already had 1's soundtrack for quite a while
ArPharazonV: Yo ho, all together, hoist the colours high....
VardaValar1: The music gives energy and I enjoy it. : )
VardaValar1: I happen to be in Diablo 2 at the moment, keeping up the
tradition the rest of the guild is setting by being somewhere else at
the same time as the meeting. ;-)
AriehnV: ok here now :-)
ArPharazonV: I'm mostly a fan of the sadder pieces, like hoist the
colours, and Davy Jone's theme... sad, but putting shivers on your
AriehnV: i am good at the moment , Varda ;-)
VardaValar1: Minor keys, I like those quite often.
ArPharazonV: they just started airing the show Heroes this week, and I
just returned from watching the first episode, so I'm all yours, no
games in the background!
VardaValar1: Nice : )
VardaValar1: Last one I saw was the season finale a while back. New
ArPharazonV: Jones', btw, not Jone's :-)
ArPharazonV: first episode alltogether here
ArPharazonV: first season
Srekal86 has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Good show. Only one I watch regularly and on purpose.
VardaValar1: Aiya Hyarion :-)
VardaValar1: What happened to everyone?
ArPharazonV: that good? I heard a lot about it, but one episode is too
hard to tell
ArPharazonV: it's quite popular in the US I believe?
VardaValar1: That many bad ones - TV is driving us to computer games. :
VardaValar1: Heroes is popular in the US, aye.
AriehnV: Aiya there
VardaValar1: Srekal, do you still have your usual numbers of people
showing in your other chats?
VardaValar1: Boy we get tuned out fast. ;-)
Srekal86: varda, yep
VardaValar1: Ok, so it's just us. Thanks, Srekal.
Srekal86: maybe people are just on summer vacation.
ArPharazonV: I know Fladrif is
Eonwe Valar: back
ArPharazonV: sorry, just popped in my head, he said 1 or 2 days ago
that he would be going on vacation :-)
VardaValar1: Maybe so. But the numbers are the same on your other
chats, so it sounds like just us.
AriehnV: where is Menelvagor then? Is he still be
VardaValar1: Looks like we're all back from afk now?
AriehnV: busy with his studies ?
Eonwe Valar: Heroes, sounds familiar. People with super-powers? Asian
guy who can time travel?
ArPharazonV: that's the one...
ArPharazonV: only seen the first episode today, they just started
airing it, but that's it :-)
VardaValar1: Right Eonwe
ArPharazonV: Menelvagor's not online in MSN either
ArPharazonV: so wouldn't know
VardaValar1: You can look at the show on the internet at www.nbc.com
Eonwe Valar: I've only seen a couple of episodes of that, comes on
Right before Stargate:SG1 (until this week's SG1 finale, anyway) but it
does look interesting.
ArPharazonV: aww man, they cut off Stargate here in the middle of the
ArPharazonV: hope it'll be back after summer or something
Eonwe Valar: They spaced the 10th season out too much over here. Makes
it kind of hard to follow the story when they do that.
VardaValar1: Aye, that's death on a show.
ArPharazonV: I found a website with summaries, will probably read up on
"recent" episodes when they start airing again
Eonwe Valar: Stargate:SG1 managed to be one of my favorite sci-fi shows.
VardaValar1: Ready to start the meeting? Looks like a record for our
ArPharazonV: but yeah, I think they cut Desperate Housewives season 3
here in 3 pieces or something, months apart... and other shows are not
ArPharazonV: they're still in the beginning of Lost season 3 too
Eonwe Valar: Think I had a meeting with only 4 once, Varda :}
ArPharazonV: when they cut it from the air
VardaValar1: StarGate is good, but it came on too late for me for a
ArPharazonV: hmm... how many were here last week?
Eonwe Valar: Maybe twice.
VardaValar1: O good. I've added one to your count by being here. : )
sila lumenn' omentielvo!
VardaValar1: Membership news:
Eonwe Valar: I watch it on Sci-Fi Channel, 7pm Central time every
Friday for new episodes, some episodes also played during the wek in
Eonwe Valar: I'll be quiet now :}
VardaValar1: We currently have 127 total Valar registered, 108 as Full
VardaValar1: and 5 are here. : )
VardaValar1: Fladrif is on
vacation, according to Phar : )
VardaValar1: Pharazon kindly
chaired the meeting last time, and is much appreciated for that!
VardaValar1: Our new member this week is Celeborn-(V)
VardaValar1: He's been quite active with us in LotRO and has been good
to have in the group.
VardaValar1: Any other membership news?
VardaValar1: New story up this
week, from Cassia and Siobhan
VardaValar1: It was written before LotRO came out, which gave it an
interesting flavor, at least for me, when reading it.
VardaValar1: Especially in light of our attempt in the rp to be in
LotRO without seeing it first
VardaValar1: It also has an obvious Pirates of the Carribbean reference
that you might get a kick out of.
VardaValar1: Arveleg-(V) is now working on a batch of articles for us, and they are under
editing as we speak, and some slight author rewrites
VardaValar1: But it looks promising
VardaValar1: Any other web news?
ArPharazonV: PotC reference? *goes to read*
Eonwe Valar: I have some.
VardaValar1: Fire away, Eonwe : )
Eonwe Valar: The GPMU is one
week away from its deadline, so if you haven't sent your gaming info in
yet, please do so soon!
ArPharazonV: Or else? :-)
Eonwe Valar: I'll try to have the new Games Page ready for next Sunday.
ArPharazonV: though I think I gave you my info in an IM, I'm not sure...
Eonwe Valar: Or else is good :} Just don't know or else what :}
VardaValar1: Will it have the same url? I need to know whether to
update my links to Gaming
Eonwe Valar: It'll be at the same place, yes :}
Eonwe Valar: www.valarguild.org/eonwe
Eonwe Valar: That's it.
VardaValar1: If anyone has the urge to write articles from the new
Children of Hurin, please run them by me. :-)
VardaValar1: Thank you, Eonwe!
AriehnV: I am working on Bonds
VardaValar1: What is that, Arien?
VardaValar1: chapter name?
Eonwe Valar: Phar, you gave me your gaming info at the beginning of the
AriehnV: it is a new story set in Lond daer or around it
VardaValar1: Where is Lond daer?
AriehnV: I hope tro finish it this week
VardaValar1: That would be fabulous. : )
AriehnV: Lond Daer is in Eriador southwest of the shire, the oldest
port that Tar Aldarion founded when he started travelling around
ArPharazonV: Lond Daer... Numenorean haven on the westcoast of
Middle-earth, from where so much wood was cut, right?
VardaValar1: ahh, thanks!
AriehnV: correct :-)
ArPharazonV: right :-)
VardaValar1: Ships must have wood.
ArPharazonV: Like I would not know the colonies of my own realm *grin*
VardaValar1: Yay Phar!
AriehnV: *hehe* well your people was a bit ruthless there
VardaValar1: And Phar would be happy to write up some short articles
about those spots...
AriehnV: and this conflict is part of the story
Eonwe Valar: hehe
ArPharazonV: pff, I'm a king, and a conqueror... I have servants and
scribes to write it all up!
AriehnV: i wont say any more*grin*
VardaValar1: Get those scribes to work, Phar!
VardaValar1: I'm looking forward to reading it, Arien : )
VardaValar1: Any further web news?
VardaValar1: Games played that were not LotRO or WoW, anyone?
ArPharazonV: Ariehn, do you have the HoME series?
ArPharazonV: might want to check the story of Tal-Elmar at the twelfth
book for inspiration, or to make sure you're not doing anything that
has already been done ;-)
VardaValar1: Nice tip, Phar, thanks. : )
AriehnV: i have only the first two books of that series , Phar
ArPharazonV: it's about the Numenorean colonisation of Middle-earth
through the eyes of the indigenous inhabitants, somewhere in the Second
ArPharazonV: might bear some relation to whatever you're planning
AriehnV: Played a bit Frozen throne , to start again when
i installed it on my new machine :-)
ArPharazonV: oh aye, played a bit of Frozen Throne too, some with
Fladrif, some alone... we should meet up some time :-)
AriehnV: cool, Phar and where can i find that?
ArPharazonV: part 12 of HoME, the final story
ArPharazonV: for some summaries, google Tal-Elmar :-)
AriehnV: will do :-)
2 Expansion here.
Eonwe Valar: I played some Starcraft.
VardaValar1: Online, Eonwe?
VardaValar1: Of course online. Just us that usually LAN it. : )
VardaValar1: LotRO news:
Eonwe Valar: No, offline. Practicing for SC2 :}
VardaValar1: ahhh. I play it offline, as BW sometimes : )
ArPharazonV: what race?
VardaValar1: From June 10 to July 20, Summer Solstice festivities are
VardaValar1: (Zerg is my favorite, but I play them all, Phar)
VardaValar1: This is the time to learn the four racial dances, for any
VardaValar1: Next chance will be next summer.
VardaValar1: Tips for handling the dances are on the News page. If any
want to know now, just ask.
VardaValar1: Arien, do you have a report?
AriehnV: aye there is a small report :-)
VardaValar1: Small is good too : )
AriehnV: and the people concerned are here :-D
AriehnV: Being myself, that is my big boy Finduilasse and Pharas Care
VardaValar1: Go Care Bears!
AriehnV has left the room.
AriehnV has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Welcome back. : )
AriehnV: oops thanks :-)
AriehnV: what came through?
Eonwe Valar: Last thing was care bear
ArPharazonV: this care bear got 28k armor this week ^^ nearly at the
AriehnV: cool :-) Calaron and Findu took the ruins of Baari apart while
playing with handlers and Ildari overseers and collecting tablets
AriehnV: we were eager to carry on the task at the next ruins but found
that we were too tired and too outnumbered between patrolling elites,
eyes , casters and sort of champions
AriehnV: so we hope to go back there soon :-)
AriehnV: I forgot the name of course ;-)
AriehnV: But thus endeth my report
VardaValar1: Phar? Name?
ArPharazonV: the Ata'mal Terrace, it was
Eonwe Valar: Sounds like the Ruins of Karabor right outside the Black
VardaValar1: He's got a good memory, thanks, Phar.
AriehnV: next to that
Eonwe Valar: yeah, Ata;mal Terrace.
VardaValar1: Eonwe has the next report. Pardon while I answer the door.
ArPharazonV: I actually went back there today with a group of 5, 2 of
which were members from my guild, to get the... Heart of Fury?
ArPharazonV: I'd already done it, but hey, they needed help ;-)
Eonwe Valar: Good to see you're helping :}
Eonwe Valar: ok, here we go with Lothar:
ArPharazonV: sure... all this epic gear... what good is it if I can't
help kill some Orcs?
Eonwe Valar: Beline and Eonwe 2-manned the Undead side of Stratholme
all the way to Baron Rivendare in order to complete a quest to kill Ras
Eonwe Valar: Afterwards, we fought to Ras Frostwhisper in Scholomance,
made him mortal, and killed him.
Eonwe Valar: After Beline went offline, I continued helping the
Consortium near Manaforge Ultris.
Eonwe Valar: Take concludes the Lothar report. I also popped into Uldaman for
a bit on Uldaman Wednesday, bit nothing to tell there.
Eonwe Valar: Take = That.
Eonwe Valar: I'm about 2500 short of my epic mount, if that's of
interest to anyone.
VardaValar1: I'm interested. : )
Eonwe Valar: Epic flying mount, excuse me.
VardaValar1: Maybe the Laytonrim can toss a few silver your way. ; )
VardaValar1: Pardon, translated it automatically
VardaValar1: Bilbo is on WoW at the moment. : )
AriehnV: errr i cant be bothered to grind for a flying mount , less an
epic one , hehe, so i will get trhere gradually painfully slow but i
will get there
Eonwe Valar: Good that you understood :}
Eonwe Valar: I'm skipping the regular flying mount so I don't end up
with 2 inventory spots taken up by flying mounts.
VardaValar1: Grind? Bah. We pick up the money while doing other things.
AriehnV: for which reason i decided to continue on Finduilaswen to take
her to 70 :-)
AriehnV: so she will get flying form :d
Eonwe Valar: And aye, I'm not just going out there killing stuff for
things to sell. I'm questing.
VardaValar1: What level are you now, on Finduilaswen?
ArPharazonV: I'm back at 500g after selling 20 primal fires to a friend
who needed it for some gear, which I'd farmed quite some time ago...
400 more until I can pay off my loan, and then 5000 to the epic flying
AriehnV: so am I , she is 40 now
VardaValar1: Be a while yet, just enough time for your LotRO DVD to
come in. ; )
VardaValar1: Arien, did you want to comment on the Horde possibilities
AriehnV: Yes I will
AriehnV: I was exploring the pvp server Auchindoun for that purpoe for
some time but i decided it is not suitable
VardaValar1: Because it's pvp?
AriehnV: No , it is not mainly that , the lack of maturity of the
ArPharazonV: well.... that's a pvp server for you ;-)
VardaValar1: The mature ones left for LotRO ; )
VardaValar1: Also a normal pvp server, aye
ArPharazonV: rp-servers tend to have more mature players
AriehnV: hehe ;-)
AriehnV: so i am on The Shatar , which is rp , to have a lookout
AriehnV: it seems a nice server to me actually , nice folk ,s erious
VardaValar1: It really sounds as if you might be spread too thin,
across WoW two servers plus LotRO and whatever else. Sounds like you
need to do some delegating and need more people.
VardaValar1: Do you have a plan for handling this?
AriehnV: aye , i know , but let me see first whether it is a suitable
place , then i can start thinking about that
VardaValar1: Okies, so you have a plan. It's scouting the servers for
VardaValar1: Do we have any further Gaming news?
VardaValar1: I will mention that LotRO continues to be a busy place for
guild members. : )
VardaValar1: Phar, you were mentioning some of the colonies
that you knew of. Could you expand on that a little?
ArPharazonV: hmm... let me think
VardaValar1: Lond Daer for one. : )
ArPharazonV: there was Lond Daer, Umbar, Dol Amroth
ArPharazonV: Isengard and Osgiliath were later, I think?
AriehnV: aye , i think so
ArPharazonV: and undoubtedly some other colonies too, to seize control
over the region and get lumber for the fleets
VardaValar1: Is Annuminas one?
AriehnV: Cardolan was another realm .. let me check of the capital there
ArPharazonV: while Umbar was pretty much a stronghold of those loyal to
Pharazon, continuing a grudge against the descendants of Elendil until
the End of the Third Age, and perhaps beyond, Dol Amroth belonged to
the Elf-friends from the start
ArPharazonV: Annuminas, Fornost.... not sure
ArPharazonV: it seems Annuminas was founded by Elendil, so after the
fall of Numenor
VardaValar1: Aye, that was the Faithful, not the earlier Numenoreans.
ArPharazonV: the Faithful, that was it
AriehnV: Tharbad seemed to have played a big role once , was that a
ArPharazonV: not sure, crossed my mind too
VardaValar1: That's an interesting thought, a little history on the
Numenorean cities would be interesting, especially for LotRO players
walking around in them.
ArPharazonV: hmm, that's right... sailing up the Gwathlo from Lond Daer
the Numenoreans established fortresses up the coast of the river,
Tharbad was one of htem
ArPharazonV: originally to protect their lumber-cutting businesses from
the hostile population, but later also as a line of defense against
ArPharazonV: in one assault on Middle-earth around 1700 SA he was
routed at the battle that took place in Tharbad, though I'm taking this
from Wiki, not sure what book we would find this in ;-)
ArPharazonV: probably HoME or UT
ArPharazonV: the road through it and the bridge later fell in decay,
but it was used by both Boromir and the Black Riders in their journeys
ArPharazonV: as well as the sons of Elrond and the Rangers who came to
Aragorn in Rohan (I think the sons of Elrond came too?)
VardaValar1: Aye, they did.
VardaValar1: Elladan and Elrohir rode in along with Halbarad and the
VardaValar1: The twins often rode with the Rangers. Good way to kill
ArPharazonV: I recall Tharbad being a problem in UT, because it was
established that Ringwraiths hating water, and if the bridge was
ruined, how would they come across?
VardaValar1: Ringwraiths flew high over water
VardaValar1: Running water is usually the problem for ghosts in folklore
VardaValar1: Ferry them? : )
AriehnV: Styx .. Chaeron :-D
VardaValar1: I usually see it as Charon, but that might be right too
AriehnV: Charon then aye
ArPharazonV: sounds archaic as Chaeron, I like that :-)
AriehnV: me being me and me names ..
VardaValar1: Speaking of, how many names for Arien can we come up with? : )
VardaValar1: Anar for the vessel of the sun?
VardaValar1: That would be Quenya
VardaValar1: Anar the Firegolden
VardaValar1: Fruit of Laurelin
VardaValar1: Vasa, the Heart of Fire
Eonwe Valar: Vasa would be another name.
Eonwe Valar: Aye
VardaValar1: I made a misstatement on an earlier time. It was the Moon
that rose when Fingolfin set foot on Middle-earth.
Eonwe Valar: Aye
AriehnV: it will do for a start , i can play with those :-)
VardaValar1: Firegolden can be translated into others of Tolkien's
Eonwe Valar: There's also Urwendi, the name of pilot of the Sun in BoLT.
VardaValar1: You may find that in LotRO some names are filtered (Varda,
Elbereth, etc) and some are already taken, so we may do creative
misspelling and adding elements.
VardaValar1: Aye, thanks Eonwe!
VardaValar1: Side note showing that Morgoth could no longer fly by the
time the Sun rose, because
VardaValar1: he had been dispersing his power into the earth and his
VardaValar1: and was becoming ever more bound to the earth.
ArPharazonV: I found a pdf text with some Numenorean language,
apparently zôr is fire and pharaz is gold.... but Pharazor
wouldn't really help your case ;-)
AriehnV: hehe true true
ArPharazonV: I can link you the text, but it seems it's a zipped file
with the text in it, so the link would go directly to the file
VardaValar1: Urin the Fiery, from The Lost Road
ArPharazonV: there's also some links to other work at the bottom of the
file, might be interesting
VardaValar1: found a batch in Lost Road
VardaValar1: Eriant "Day-bringer"
VardaValar1: Anar is Quenya, Anor is Sindarin
VardaValar1: pardon no
VardaValar1: Anor is Noldorin
VardaValar1: Arien Sun-maiden
VardaValar1: (side note, Arrow-elves is a name of the Teleri)
Eonwe Valar: Interesting.
VardaValar1: Arien replaced the earlier version of Urien
VardaValar1: We could mess with it, like Anarwen : )
VardaValar1: -wen meaning maiden
AriehnV: hehe i like that
AriehnV: okay girls and boys if i yawn one more time i get a cramp in
my jaw ;-)
ArPharazonV: Goodnight then Arien :-)
AriehnV: or I fall asleep on the keyboard or something like that
AriehnV: Mara lome, Nosse Valaima :0
VardaValar1: Good night
AriehnV: er Valarina , Nosse Valarina
VardaValar1: Tom refers to himself as an Aborigine, in an early
version, later struck out
AriehnV has left the room.
VardaValar1: Guess we all wound up looking at our books? : )
Eonwe Valar: :}
VardaValar1: Phar was surfing anyway : )
ArPharazonV: *nod* finding all sorts of interesting links!
is the source site for the link I just gave, seems to be a quite
comprehensive language site
VardaValar1: Here's a spot with some language links ;-)
VardaValar1: New links to add are welcome
ArPharazonV: well I don't see this one among them, so feel free to add
VardaValar1: with a Phar credit : )
VardaValar1: It looks really familiar, wonder if it's under another
ArPharazonV: there are also some texts and poetry in Elvish languages,
maybe that's it?
ArPharazonV: running a quick Ctrl F through the page doesn't show
anything with the name Parma Tyelpelassiva though, which is the name of
VardaValar1: same here, ran a Find in this page
VardaValar1: Ok, it's on our Links page now. Language courses are
always good to locate
VardaValar1: Some Phar guy got credit for locating it.
ArPharazonV: Good for him, I say!
ArPharazonV: I don't see it!
VardaValar1: Try reload now?
VardaValar1: First time uploaded before saving it : )
ArPharazonV: there we go!
ArPharazonV: it's Tyel though, not Tylel ;-)
VardaValar1: You be quite right, there.
VardaValar1: Try 'er again
ArPharazonV: yay! :-)
VardaValar1: Now I have to find an easy way to show correct diacritical
Eonwe Valar: Afk for a few minutes
VardaValar1: I wound up with a copy/paste page
VardaValar1: I think we've been in After-meeting for a while anyway : )
VardaValar1: cute little marks above and below letters to change the
ArPharazonV: ah, accents
VardaValar1: Your keyboard is probably set that way.
VardaValar1: More than accents, but aye, that idea
VardaValar1: An accent is just to show stress on a syllable.
ArPharazonV: I'm becoming quite a Wiki-fan these days...
Srekal86: what kind of wiki?
Srekal86: oh, wikipedia
VardaValar1: Maybe I should just leave Tolkien to Wiki, much less work
ArPharazonV: wikipedia, aye
VardaValar1: but the copyright writers hate it.
Srekal86: oh good news, TG passed up Wikipedia's Tolkien section in
activity, we're growing much faster.
Srekal86: I've been trying to help Wikipedia but there is so much
spam/inaccuracy in their articles.
VardaValar1: I agree, Srekal. One reason I'm not a fan.
Srekal86: they are almost too strict
VardaValar1: Congratulations on your TG!
Srekal86: for instance John Howe says any non-profit website that
credits him for his images can use his images on their site
Srekal86: Wikipedia still wonn't let you upload those images because
they have to be essentially free no matter what without restrictions
VardaValar1: Which we do. ;-)
VardaValar1: Wiki may have a desire for profit in the future
Srekal86: No one person has the power to make that decision, so it
VardaValar1: I found a batch today of articles in our Encyc that are
like you said, hard to navigate backwards from when not using the
Srekal86: Definitely need to get rid of those frames :p PHP would make
it so much easier.
VardaValar1: Sounds as if John Howe's work meets that then
VardaValar1: Games site now has the PHP
VardaValar1: Alatar says he's moving us to a new server sometime in the
future so we can use the current PHP version
VardaValar1: Games site is now being redone, should be a few weeks
VardaValar1: Frames are not required to use our site, just one of the
VardaValar1: It was rigged for people who could not use frames and
barely could handle graphics, by member request.
VardaValar1: When you pay by the minute for your connection, it can be
Srekal86: who pays by the minute?
VardaValar1: Some of our people in Europe.
VardaValar1: Some cafes also
VardaValar1: I agree, Srekal, that PHP and CSS is a good thing and hope
to move to it.
VardaValar1: Phar, I looked up diacritical in an actual dictionary and
VardaValar1: We used accent in our local region only to refer to
syllabic stresses, but now I have no word for that left.
VardaValar1: Replacement suggestion?
ArPharazonV: wouldn't know :-)
VardaValar1: You are being hard on the poets now.
VardaValar1: Destroying our vocabulary.
ArPharazonV: blame wiki ;-)
VardaValar1: I will just ignore it, and call our use "jargon". :-)
ArPharazonV: isn't there a saying involving ignorance? can't recall how
VardaValar1: Would that be "poetic license"? ;-) Ok, the puns are
VardaValar1: Ignorance is bliss.
VardaValar1: I disagree.
ArPharazonV: well, it's bliss, anyway... but nothing more than that?
VardaValar1: Go look it up under quotations ;-)
VardaValar1: I dislike insufficient data.
VardaValar1: And be careful as to whom they ascribe quotations to. Much
misinformation out there.
VardaValar1: I'm hungry, and the family probably is too. So namarie for
ArPharazonV: "Where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise."
ArPharazonV: that's where ignorance is bliss comes from
ArPharazonV: Willful ignorance (or vincible ignorance) is a bad faith
decision to avoid becoming informed about something so as to avoid
having to make undesirable decisions that such information might prompt.
VardaValar1: So where wisdom is bliss, it is folly to be ignorant? :-)
ArPharazonV: indeed, the original phrase only seems to refer to some
situations, and not all as its derivative would seem to imply
VardaValar1: The quote doesn't really mean that ignorance is bliss. : )
ArPharazonV: nope, but it implies that it can be :-)
VardaValar1: It can be for a while.
VardaValar1: Not knowing a bomb is about to drop on your head prevents
VardaValar1: You find out when it happens
VardaValar1: but never had a chance to step to one side.
ArPharazonV: but knowing it might give you time to avoid it, and thus
help you in the process
VardaValar1: Maybe I should have used "anvil" instead of "bomb". : )
ArPharazonV: I would rather like to know if an anvil is about to hit my
VardaValar1: So does one want short-term bliss or the chance to plan
and prevent the problem?
VardaValar1: Aye : )
VardaValar1: Ok, off to stave off the hungry hordes at my house. : )
ArPharazonV: when not faced with the situation I would prefer the
latter, but I cannot predict my actions *should* I know that an anvil
is falling on my head
ArPharazonV: maybe I'll panic after all?
VardaValar1: Panic might help you move out of the way. : )
VardaValar1: Just don't freeze
ArPharazonV: if an anvil is about to fall next to me, and seeing it
coming I might panic and step to that one side, it doesn't help :-)
VardaValar1: Sounds as if improved depth perception might be in order?
ArPharazonV: perhaps, but that's never been my strong point :-)(
VardaValar1: Loss of the foolish from the gene pool...
VardaValar1: You're still alive at your age. Must have made a few
ArPharazonV: hey! just because my depth perception lacks doesn't make
VardaValar1: Quite right, but not fixing it might be?
ArPharazonV: well, that's a problem in today's society... no more
natural selection as the weak are cared for by the strong ;-)
ArPharazonV: well, one could call it a problem, or an improvement
VardaValar1: Some people seem to be impossible to protect.
VardaValar1: But we do need to cut back on the population.
ArPharazonV: the very notion of healthcare would seem ridiculous from
an evolutionary viewpoint
VardaValar1: I want to keep Stephen Hawking around. : )
ArPharazonV: with my heart, my eyesight, and my slight case of autism,
I would not have lived this long in the animal kingdom, I can assure you
VardaValar1: You could if you live in a strong pack. Which you do.
VardaValar1: Wolves are aided in walking by others, when injured.
VardaValar1: We may have carried it a bit far. : )
VardaValar1: I really need to leave, despite the very enjoyable company
VardaValar1: Take care, person whom I hope continues to survive a long
VardaValar1: Namarie for now!
VardaValar1 has left the room.
ArPharazonV: hehe, so do I :-)
ArPharazonV: ok, saving and sending