Valar Guild

June 17, 2007 Meeting

5pm EST (GMT - 5); (GMT = 22:00)
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Ar-Pharazon and Varda

Attending: (7)
    Members: Ancalagon-(V)/Sarujil, ArPharazonV (presiding), Fladrifv, GilraenV, VardaValar1
    Menelvagor came in after the meeting.
    Friends: excelsiorjss, Srekal86

Meeting begins
    Two new members this week: Gorlim-(V) and Muzgash-(V)
    One new story this week: "Outsider" by Jay of Lasgalen
    LotRO (during Tolkien section). Expansion is running and we're in it.
       Argent Dawn
    WarCraft 3
    Hobbit housing (during Before-meeting)
    Fladrif is now reading the Swedish version of LotR..
    Topic: Gorlim the Unhappy
    Topic: Bargains with Sauron: Gorlim's, Luthien's.
    Quote: excelsiorjss quoted Huan's entrance into the Silmarillion story of Beren and Luthien.
    Elrond-(V) mentioned the Valar Guild on his RingCast podcasts.

You have just entered room "valarguildmeetingplace."
VardaValar1 has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya Phar
VardaValar1: Are you there?
ArPharazonV: Ayup
ArPharazonV: just came from a warcraft 3 game with Flad
VardaValar1: Eonwe will not be able to join us due to Father's Day activities.
VardaValar1: I am in the middle of helping the Daddy here put up wallpaper and we have the water off while we go over an area of pipes.
ArPharazonV: I see
ArPharazonV: we don't really celebrate father's day much
VardaValar1: We have 2 new members, one story up
ArPharazonV: by the way, I watched a show called Grand Designs, about people having houses built, usually with some unusual aspect to the house
VardaValar1: I know you didn't want to be a Maia, so could you drag in Arien or Menelvagor to run the meeting?
ArPharazonV: today's episode was about a house under the ground, and I was immediately reminded of Hobbits
VardaValar1: cool :-)
ArPharazonV: and there were some interesting issues I wondered about, whether hobbits had to deal with them too
VardaValar1: If they can't run the meeting, will you do it?
ArPharazonV: water problems, pressure on walls, etc...
ArPharazonV: I'll try to find them
Fladrifv has entered the room.
Fladrifv: Aiya
VardaValar1: Aiya Fladrif :-)
ArPharazonV: well, let's just see who shows up and who will have the highest authority to run the meeting? I'll invite who I see on my list
VardaValar1: I already sent out invitations
VardaValar1: Just now
ArPharazonV: ah
GilraenV has entered the room.
ArPharazonV: well, I mean, if it's just us 3, not much need for anyone leading it
ArPharazonV: hey Gilraen!
Fladrifv: finished just in time the war Arphar :-)
GilraenV: Aiya :-)
ArPharazonV: jup... I already entered the room 10 minutes earlier though :-)
VardaValar1: Aiya Gilraen :-)
ArPharazonV: during our fight, even! after defeating the first pc I alt-tabbed real quick
Fladrifv: ud is overpowered
ArPharazonV: we were facing some weak opponents, mind :-)
ArPharazonV: the dreadlord is fun against pcs, with sleep... nothing they can do against it
VardaValar1: zdexter (AT) would like to join the guild.
ArPharazonV: a skilled player would briefly attack his own hero and get him out
VardaValar1: I have to go help with the wallpaper and getting water back to the house.
ArPharazonV: hmm... what's his aim name?
ArPharazonV: or isn't he coming?
VardaValar1: That's what he gave me
VardaValar1: If he comes on, you'll know
ArPharazonV: he knows the chatroom?
VardaValar1: His email suggests he didn't understand what I meant by choosing a Tolkien character name. I'm not sure if he understand what else I said.
VardaValar1: But since it's Father's Day, it'll be hard to get anyone
ArPharazonV: true
VardaValar1: I really have to go, will be afk
ArPharazonV: hmm... yeah, we'll wait a bit for more people?
ArPharazonV: I doubt any of us knows any news...
Fladrifv: fathers day?:S
Fladrifv: oops :P
ArPharazonV: yep, that's today :P
Fladrifv: what did you give him?
ArPharazonV: me? we don't celebrate father's day
ArPharazonV: or mother's day, come to think of it... even birthdays are hardly a big deal
ArPharazonV: I guess we prefer our daily routines
Fladrifv: Extraordinaries are just an inballance of the system ;-)
ArPharazonV: they must be eliminated!
Fladrifv: how about you Gilraen?
ArPharazonV: Allrighty then! Let's get this show on the road
ArPharazonV: *cough*

ArPharazonV: Elenn Sila Lumenn Omentielvo!
ArPharazonV: Let's start with Membership News
Fladrifv: Speak younge one
ArPharazonV: As the news-page states, and Varda confirmed to me before she went afk, we have 2 new members this week!
ArPharazonV: Both seem to have been recruited from LotRO, and their names are Gorlim-(V) and Muzgash-(V)
ArPharazonV: I'm just quoting from the newspage here, so bear with me...
ArPharazonV: Gorlim used to play EQ, DAoC, and WoW but has now dropped them for LotRO. He has been gaming in LotRO with our higher end players for a few weeks and even then was still willing to join the guild. He tested 5/5 with Irmo.
ArPharazonV: He's 51 from Texas. He's read H, LotR, and the Sil, and I've [Varda, I guess] been told he's read other Tolkien books as well. His favorite LotR character is Gimli because, unlike some others, he's content with what and where he is.
ArPharazonV: Muzgash was scouted by Miriel and tested by Irmo in LotRO as Nitryt. He's 24 from Virginia and plays both City of Heroes and LotRO. He's read the LotR and his favorite character there is Aragorn for his strong leadership.
ArPharazonV: Varda also mentioned that one known by the name/email zdexter (AT) has would like to join the guild, but we ("we" being Ar-Pharazon and the main guild) have received no further information so far
ArPharazonV: Does anyone else have further additions to make to these 3 news-items, or is there any other membership news?
Sarujil has entered the room.
ArPharazonV: Aiya Ancalagon!
Sarujil: hiya
ArPharazonV: A welcome addition to the room, you are.. Varda is afk for Father's Day, and the absence of many others appears to be for the same reason
ArPharazonV: so with me running the meeting until she gets back, it's a little slow
ArPharazonV: We are just about to enter the web-news, unless you wish to state membership news?
GilraenV: Aye, Gwaihir's been attempting to call his father as well, though we celebrated it last weekend because of work schedules

ArPharazonV: Web News:
ArPharazonV: This week we have put up a new Drabble by Jay of Lasgalen, dubbed "The Outsider". "Aragorn's melancholy thoughts on one of his lonely journeys."
ArPharazonV: It can be found at
ArPharazonV: Any other webnews?

ArPharazonV: Gaming:
ArPharazonV: (is everyone still here?)
Fladrifv: *waves*
ArPharazonV: well, just the two of us for now, it'll do
Fladrifv: first dutch meeting log ever? *grin*
GilraenV: I'm here too, sorry ;-)
ArPharazonV: Allright, Gaming! Has anyone here played LotRO this week?
GilraenV: Nope :-)
Fladrifv: nope
ArPharazonV: It appears not to be the case, and I cannot see any reports on the forum either
ArPharazonV: WoW Lothar: For that we *do* have a report on the forum, written by Eonwe himself:
ArPharazonV: "Fangorn, Bilbo, and I completed some quests in Netherstorm.
ArPharazonV: With all three of us, we defeated Netherock, bringing in a mage who also needed the quest, defeated Naberius twice, once with the help of a druid named Ragherwind, the second time just we three.
ArPharazonV: For the second time we also did the quests leading up to the fight.
ArPharazonV: Fangorn had to go, so Bilbo and I pressed on. We two completed several quests in the Ruins of Farahlon.
ArPharazonV: We gathered the Ata'mai crystal twice, cleared out some demon dogs and floating eyes, and placed beacons for some guys up on Stormspire.
ArPharazonV: We then stepped into Netherstone and gathered some Farahlite from the giants there. We made a second visit to deal with the boss.
ArPharazonV: . Afterwards we took a trip to Manaforge Ara, cleared out the mine, and dealt with the overseer, inviting a hunter who needed the quest to join us.
ArPharazonV: With the Hunter and the help of a rogue, we put a stop to the goings on at Manaforge Ara. After that, Bilbo called it a night, but I pressed on.
ArPharazonV: I completed the diagnostic on the generator near Stormspire, then went to Eco-dome Farfield to test out the repairs and clear out some raptors.
ArPharazonV: Afterwards, I went to the Protectorate base near Manaforge Ultris and helped them deal with the Etherium. I also helped them get their teleporter in the crystal area working and took out Arcanos under Manaforge Ultris.
ArPharazonV: Varda also came in on her low level Priest and completed several quests for Onu at the Master's Glaive, including gathering mathystra relics."
ArPharazonV: And thus concludes Eonwe's report on Lothar.
ArPharazonV: The report he has written for WoW Uldaman is a tad shorter:
ArPharazonV: "This week Elwing and Eonwë were both on their hunters, though in different areas due to level difference. Eonwë's orc hunter Kalmo leveled twice while completing quests in the Barrens. Elwing was working on Leatherworking."
excelsiorjss has entered the room.
ArPharazonV: links to these reports are and
ArPharazonV: WoW Europe: I don't seem to recall any guild-activity on Argent Dawn this week, though it's always possible it slipped my mind.
ArPharazonV: And maybe it did happen, and I just wasn't any part of it. In any case, I have no report.
ArPharazonV: Other games!
ArPharazonV: Fladrif and I have gotten together a few times in Warcraft 3: The Frozen Throne, Starcraft, and Starcraft: Brood War
ArPharazonV: we had some server-problems at first, but afterwards we played a few games on and there was loads of fun to be had
ArPharazonV: Any other games played this week?
Fladrifv: chess!
ArPharazonV: yay!
excelsiorjss has left the room.
ArPharazonV: online or offline?
Fladrifv: online ofcourse
Fladrifv: and on real board :-)
Fladrifv: and now everyone thinks...boring ents :-)
ArPharazonV: anything else, or should we move to Tolkien-section? :-)
Fladrifv: move on

ArPharazonV: Tolkien:
ArPharazonV: before we move on to the main topic, if anyone can think of one (and feel free to whisper me any, for all the good it'll do), Fladrif has some news :-)
ArPharazonV: take the floor, Fladrif!
Fladrifv: as you wish
Fladrifv: *steps in the middle*
Fladrifv: I have bought the swedish version of the lord of the rings
Fladrifv: will be an excelent way for me to learn swedish and read lotr
ArPharazonV: Great! I hear it comes out best in Scandinavian languages, I hope you'll enjoy it
Fladrifv: *pats his dictionary*
VardaValar1: hi, back and forth. Tons of us have been playing LotRO.
ArPharazonV: great, then you must have a report :-)
VardaValar1: And on the 13th, we got a huge new expansion area
VardaValar1: We've been running around in it having a high old time.
ArPharazonV: great!
VardaValar1: Plus new stuff for musicians, such as new notations and abilities to hook up to your other music
VardaValar1: Seems like someone's on most of the time.
VardaValar1: And often we run full groups plus others
VardaValar1: A full Fellowship is six at the moment
VardaValar1: Raids this last patch increased so we can run a 24-mam
VardaValar1: man
VardaValar1: and I have to run wrestle wallpaper again :-)
ArPharazonV: heh
ArPharazonV: got any topic before you go? :-)
VardaValar1: Our new guy, Gorlim. How many know about him and what he did?
VardaValar1: Clue: Barahir's outlaws
VardaValar1: Off I go now :-)
ArPharazonV: Have fun :-)
ArPharazonV: Allright, Gorlim the Unhappy, one of the twelve companions of Barahir
VardaValar1: Gorlim-(V) called himself the Unhappy as something of a joke when name after name was already taken. : )
ArPharazonV: really now?
ArPharazonV: Gorlim had a wife whom he lost while he was away in battle, and when he came back his house was burned and his wife gone
VardaValar1: Aye. And he mourned for his wife. When he saw something that looked like her, he was lured into a trap.
ArPharazonV: he had hoped that she, Eilinel, had gotten away instead of being captured and/or killed, and returned to the ruins of the house from time to time to see if she was there
ArPharazonV: exactly, Sauron tricked him by making him think Eilinel was at the window one night and as he approached her she disappeared, while he was captured
excelsiorjss has entered the room.
ArPharazonV: after being tortured, Gorlim promised Sauron to reveal Barahir's hiding place in exchange for reunion with his wife
VardaValar1: Aiya Excelsior
excelsiorjss: Aiya
ArPharazonV: and after doing so, Sauron kept his word, and paid Gorlim for his treachery.. by killing him
ArPharazonV: after revealing that Eilinel was indeed long dead
VardaValar1: That gave him reunion with his wife, as promised.
VardaValar1: Dangerous to make a deal with Sauron. He may deliver, but not quite as hoped.
excelsiorjss: indeed
VardaValar1: Sauron didn't make many deals. Can we think of even one other?
excelsiorjss: hmm
ArPharazonV: when Sauron came upon Barahir Beren was not with the party, and Gorlim appeared before Beren, confessing what he had done and begging for forgiveness, prior to disappearing forever... but Beren was too late to save his father
ArPharazonV: he made a deal with Luthien, though that was her initiative
VardaValar1: Gorlim's fea appeared, needing to make things right before leaving.
ArPharazonV: I suppose his dealing with the ring-makers could be included too, though they were not aware of his true nature
VardaValar1: What was the deal with Luthien?
ArPharazonV: if I recall correctly, he revealed to her the words of power over his stronghold in exchange for Huan not killing him
VardaValar1: And it was a stronghold that he had taken over from Finrod.
ArPharazonV: true enough... so where did the words come from?
VardaValar1: I would assume he found a way to "change the locks" by becoming the new owner?
VardaValar1: or add locks.
ArPharazonV: could be... but the words were still enough to bring it down alltogether
VardaValar1: I don't remember. Time to dig out the books again : )
excelsiorjss: yeah
VardaValar1: Pardon whilst I run back to the kitchen between wallpaper.
ArPharazonV: we await your return!
VardaValar1: back
VardaValar1: We're taking a break from wallpaper, but mainly they're waiting for me to put dinner on the table.
excelsiorjss: lol
excelsiorjss: ah
excelsiorjss: what kind of wallpaper?
VardaValar1: Got your Silmarillion, Excelsior? : )
VardaValar1: Vines, going in the upstairs bathroom.
excelsiorjss: not hard copy, but I've got an e-book version right now
excelsiorjss: nice
VardaValar1: That's why we had the water turned off til just now
VardaValar1: Find the spot with Luthien and Sauron and Huan?
VardaValar1: Werewolf Sauron : )
excelsiorjss: will do
excelsiorjss: got it
VardaValar1: I also need everyone to come up with a quote from any of the Tolkien books they like. We need more variety on the News quote rotator. ; )
VardaValar1: Go for it!
excelsiorjss: lol
VardaValar1: Go Excelsior : )
excelsiorjss: just need to adjust margins
ArPharazonV: hmmhmm... I could come up with the link I've been using in my signature since the beginning of time...
excelsiorjss: argh maximum length 232
VardaValar1: Feel free to make shorter quotes : )
ArPharazonV: hehe
VardaValar1: I like Eonwe's sig too.
ArPharazonV: a quote just from the book, or spoken by a character?
VardaValar1: From the book including spoken if you like.
VardaValar1: You've seen what we have on the News page, I trust. : )
ArPharazonV: I did, but I can't recall any non-character quotes..
excelsiorjss: argh the sentences are too long to paste
excelsiorjss: haha
excelsiorjss: for nothing could escape the sight and scent of Huan, nor could any enchantment stay him, and he slept not, neither by night nor day.
excelsiorjss: lol
excelsiorjss: this e-book isn't great, some of the characters aren't properly translated
excelsiorjss: He was not born in Middle-earth, but came from the Blessed Realm; for Orom? had given him to Celegorm long ago in Valinor,
excelsiorjss: and there he had followed the horn of his master, before evil came.
excelsiorjss: see what I mean?
excelsiorjss: But Huan the hound was true of heart, and the love of L?thien had fallen upon him in the first hour of their meeting; and he grieved at her captivity.
excelsiorjss: Therefore he came often to her chamber; and at night he lay before her door, for he felt that evil had come to Nargothrond. L?thien spoke often to Huan in
excelsiorjss: her loneliness, telling of Beren, who was the friend of all birds and beasts that did not serve Morgoth; ad Huan understood all that was said. For he
excelsiorjss: comprehended the speech of all things with voice; but it was permitted to him thrice only ere his death to speak with words.
excelsiorjss: Now Huan devised a plan for the aid of L?thien; and coming at a time of night he brought her cloak, and for the first time he spoke, giving her counsel.
excelsiorjss: Then he led her by secret ways out of Nargothrond, and they fled north together; and he humbled his pride and suffered her to ride upon him in the
excelsiorjss: fashion of a steed, even as the Orcs did at times upon great wolves. Thus they made great speed, for Huan was swift and tireless.
ArPharazonV: and thus goes the introduction of Huan, and starts his part in the story of Luthien
ArPharazonV: and Beren, of course
excelsiorjss: indeed
ArPharazonV: if I recall right they went on to Sauron's tower, where Luthien challenged Sauron and he kept sending out his wolves, one by one, but they were all killed by Huan
excelsiorjss: I believe so, I'd paste more, but I'm juggling several conversations in rl , and only checking my comp every few mins
ArPharazonV: after his greatest wolf, Draugluin, fell, Sauron himself came out in werewolf form, and was defeated also by Huan, and fearing to go back to Morgoth defeated as a bodyless spirit, he made the deal with Luthien and Huan we spoke off
ArPharazonV: granting her the words of power over the tower in exchange for his life, and while he fled away Luthien brought down the tower and freed Beren
ArPharazonV: they went on to face Celegorm and Curufin I think, and using their dagger to seize one of the Silmarils succeeded in their quest initially, though Carcharoth, descendant of Draugluin and greatest wolf that ever lived
ArPharazonV: ate Beren's hand and the Silmaril, causing him to go mad and flee to the south, eventually rampaging through the forests of Doriath
ArPharazonV: a party of among others Beren and Huan hunted Carcharoth, but Huan and Beren were slain in the battle or as a result of it... and thus ends Huan's story
Fladrifv has left the room.
VardaValar1: Thanks Phar
ArPharazonV: Anyone still here?
VardaValar1: No : )
ArPharazonV: ah :-)
ArPharazonV: well then... should I bang the gavel?
VardaValar1: Good plan
ArPharazonV: *steals Eonwe's gavel and bangs it on the table*
ArPharazonV: you're all dismissed!

VardaValar1: *Eonwe's gavel levitates itself back into its stand, mission accomplished*
VardaValar1: Thanks, and well done, Ar-Pharazon
VardaValar1: Thank you for standing in for we who had so much trouble being present, at least with any consistency.
VardaValar1: Are you going to be gaming again or sleeping?
ArPharazonV: It was my pleasure! It was a bit slow and empty, and I wasn't knowledgeable on too many things, but someone had to do it ;-)
ArPharazonV: I think I'll try and join Fladrif on that private server, maybe do some warcraft 3 games after
VardaValar1: Sounds like my philosophy. Thank you
VardaValar1: Have a great and well-deserved lot of fun!
ArPharazonV: Thank you! You as well
excelsiorjss: back, sorry I wasnt able to find it at the moment
ArPharazonV: And enjoy your meal :-)
VardaValar1: I just finished, heh
ArPharazonV: Aiyata!
excelsiorjss: argh
VardaValar1: Checking the forum
ArPharazonV: ah :-)
VardaValar1: Hoping someone posted besides me on the rp :-)
excelsiorjss: in that case, farewell, I need dinner before I head to bed
excelsiorjss: I've had to go to bed ridiculously early now that I started working
excelsiorjss: lol
VardaValar1: Me and 4 guests, cool
VardaValar1: Sauron has a similar problem We sympathize
VardaValar1: But it's good to make money so you can have a real life : )
excelsiorjss: yeah
VardaValar1: Farewell for now
excelsiorjss: i just picked up a 500GB extern
excelsiorjss: :-)
excelsiorjss: ...a real life...what's that
ArPharazonV: Namarie excelsior!
excelsiorjss: ?
excelsiorjss: namarie
excelsiorjss has left the room.
VardaValar1: nice, Exc!
VardaValar1: Real life is where your heart is? : )
ArPharazonV: then I'm not sure where real life is at the moment :-)
ArPharazonV: anyway, I'll save the transcript
VardaValar1: Thank you
VardaValar1: Your heart can be in many places : )
VardaValar1: It is not limited except by our selves.
Sarujil has left the room.
Srekal86 has entered the room.
ArPharazonV: and I'll leave you with an animation about a kiwi who wants nothing more than to fulfill his dream...
VardaValar1: : )
VardaValar1: Elrond put the Valar Guild on RingCast