January 21, 2007 Meeting
5pm EST (GMT - 5);
(GMT = 22:00)
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AIM: Valar Guild Meetingplace
Transcript work by: Ar-Pharzon-(V)
Aerandir-(V)/mordacil, Ancalagon-(V)/Sarujil, ArPharazonV, Arwen V1,
Elladan-(V)/Bior the Ythling, Eonwe Valar, FinduilasV,
Gelmir-(V)/Shaggyjoe, Gilraen-(V)/Star of Phaet, GwaihirValar,
Menelvagor Valar, Oropher-(V)/MJKeenan1234, VardaValar1 (presiding)
Before-meeting (much talk about the new WoW
New Full Member: Tar-Aldarion-(V)
Finduilas' car and ice and heather
Gwaihir is not working on Sundays now and may be
able to come to meetings more often.
New article by Finduilas-(V): "Finduilas, Daughter
WoW questing is now by server.
Trivia threads going for LotR and
A-Z menu updated
splitting by Blizzard?
WoW: Argent Dawn
WoW: not reported but Uldaman has been
busy with the new blood elves, some need invitations.
Varda's topic: We know Maiar were in Arda. I wonder
how wide-spread that was.
We left to sleep, do homework, eat, house repair,
and/or game. Or gamed after.
You have just entered room "valarguildmeetingplace."
Eonwe Valar has entered the room.
mordacil has entered the room.
Star of Phaet has entered the room.
Arwen V1 has entered the room.
ArPharazonV: Aiya all
Shaggyjoe has entered the room.
Menelvagor Valar has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar: heya
Menelvagor Valar: oh right, meeting.
Shaggyjoe: Good evening
Star of Phaet: Aiya all
Menelvagor Valar: right when I was doing Slave Pens :P
ArPharazonV: so I take it you're all enjoying BC? ;-)
Shaggyjoe: Im kinda in the middle of some quests in Nagram
Shaggyjoe: LOVING Deadly throw
Shaggyjoe: 30 yard range... As soon as i get the arena gloves Ill have
a 30 yard range silence! >< That also does damage and snares 50%
for 5 seconds.
Eonwe Valar: I haven't got my copy yet actually.
Sarujil has entered the room.
mordacil: I dont play it, but I have a friend that got it, he diddtn
come to school that day, but I had a suspicion about where he was...
Shaggyjoe: Rogues that can do evis damage / silience, and snare from 30
yards is OP
Shaggyjoe: I preordered had it midnight last tuesdayh.
Shaggyjoe: anyway back to it, be back after I finish this quest.
ArPharazonV: haven't even set foot in Outland yet, but I've raised a
lvl 21 shammy, explored the bloodelf and draenei starting zones with my
lvl 60, and am now currently questing in the second draenei zone with
that lvl 60
ArPharazonV: after that, I'll head through the portal!
FinduilasV has entered the room.
FinduilasV: Aiya all :-)
Shaggyjoe: My rogues already 55 lol
Shaggyjoe: err 65*
Eonwe Valar: heya
Star of Phaet: Aiya Fin
ArPharazonV: our guild had the first lvl 70 on the server
Eonwe Valar: a couple more minutes, then we'll begin.
FinduilasV: Varda is just on the way
Shaggyjoe: We are close... 58 atm
VardaValar1 has entered the room.
ArPharazonV: she skipped the first night's sleep and then went right on
for days until she was 70
VardaValar1: Aiya :-)
ArPharazonV: we have several 70s now
FinduilasV: I am 55 k from 56 now :-)
ArPharazonV: in our guild, even
Eonwe Valar: That's just crazy.
Shaggyjoe: Yeah thats over the top
FinduilasV: aiya Varda :-)
Shaggyjoe: Ive been out to the bar the last 3 nights and Im still 65
Eonwe Valar: heya Varda.
Shaggyjoe: G'day Mi lady.
ArPharazonV: she got to lvl 64 in the first 24 hours, and although she
did get her share of sleep in the following nights, she was still the
first 70 on the server
ArPharazonV: by far
Shaggyjoe: thats nuts
ArPharazonV: affliction-specced warlock, I think
ArPharazonV: sooo crazy....
Shaggyjoe: first mage world wide...
Shaggyjoe: err first 70 was a mage*
Shaggyjoe: Im getting confused.
ArPharazonV: yeah, in france, I think
Shaggyjoe: poked too much smot. ><
FinduilasV: and inundation of bloodelf and draenei paladins, eh more
bloodelf palas and dranei shammies
VardaValar1: Good day :-)
Shaggyjoe: There are SO many Bloodelves.
ArPharazonV: draenei shaman for the win!
Shaggyjoe: Silly alliance nubs. :P
FinduilasV: Yeah , always :D
ArPharazonV: eh, I've grown to love little Caljaenor
VardaValar1: I made a Blood Elf warlock, since I haven't played warlock.
ArPharazonV: never had a character that could turn into a wolf before
FinduilasV: Draeneivrin is on a good way , she is twelf now
Shaggyjoe: Awesome Varda.
Shaggyjoe: They are extremely OP
FinduilasV: and Failivrina is a Bloodelf rogue L)
Shaggyjoe: The bloodelf racials are really.. REALLY nice.
Shaggyjoe: love the mana tap ><
Shaggyjoe: on my sisters priest.
FinduilasV: aye hehe
Shaggyjoe: If you've used it, its the best PvP racial I know off for
Shaggyjoe: can Draeni be priest?
ArPharazonV: think so, yeah
Shaggyjoe: Know what their racial is?
Shaggyjoe: I have yet to roll one
VardaValar1: Blood Elf can be priest, crazy.
Eonwe Valar: Blood Elves are evil.
Shaggyjoe: Yes Varda, and its nasty.
Shaggyjoe: They are sooo nasty in pvp
ArPharazonV: a healing spell that scales, uses no mana and has a 3
ArPharazonV: somethingsomething of the naaru
Shaggyjoe: ranged silence / Mana tap is way op
VardaValar1: Blood Elves are trying to learn to control their
addiction. The ones who can't are called Wretched and need to be put
ArPharazonV: I never use it anyway
FinduilasV: Gift of the Naarui
Eonwe Valar: Gift of the Naaru.
ArPharazonV: right, that one
VardaValar1: I use the mana tap a lot!
Shaggyjoe: Its nice isnt it!
Shaggyjoe: It makes 0 down time if Disc spec'd as a priest.
Eonwe Valar: Kidnapping a being of pure energy and tapping into the
Light through it is not what I'd call "learning to control their
Shaggyjoe: your right
Shaggyjoe: they are evil
Shaggyjoe: so what? :P
ArPharazonV: they sure are evil... glad I'm a draenei!
Shaggyjoe: Dark Paladin ftw? anyone?
FinduilasV: they are horde and horde are evil ;-)
ArPharazonV: neh, tauren are friendly
Shaggyjoe: Orcs are too
ArPharazonV: orcs under Thrall aren't that bad either, I suppose
Shaggyjoe: the ones you dont try to beat or enslave.
VardaValar1: I am a friendly Tauren. Haven't killed any Alliance folk.
Eonwe Valar: Orcs and Tauren are ok, but them trolls are cannibals, and
the Undead are evil.
VardaValar1: Undead are cannibals.
Eonwe Valar: Undead eat dead not other Undead :}
Shaggyjoe: Undead are just out for their own hides.
FinduilasV: oh aye, they give me the shivers, i never could play an
VardaValar1: Well, they eat dead. Aye.
ArPharazonV: do trolls eat trolls?
Shaggyjoe: So what?
VardaValar1: I have an Undead Priest. Terrible knees.
Eonwe Valar: Trolls have been know to eat other Trolls, yes.
Shaggyjoe: My Rouge is Undead.
FinduilasV: Morianna has stopped questing in silverpine coz the area
gives me the creeps
ArPharazonV: the rouges are overpowdered, it's a masscara
Eonwe Valar: Darn them rouges.
FinduilasV: oh aye ..
FinduilasV: *gauges eonwe*
VardaValar1: Rouge is reddish cosmetic powder.
Eonwe Valar: I know :}
Eonwe Valar: That's the joke :}
Shaggyjoe: the common mis-typing of Rogue as Rouge.
Eonwe Valar: Too many people call Rogues Rouges.
Shaggyjoe: Commonplace now to joke about it, a mild flame of ones skill
with the keyboard... or spell checker lol
Shaggyjoe: or lack there of lol
Srekal86 has entered the room.
MJKeenan1234 has entered the room.
FinduilasV: Aiya there
VardaValar1: Shall we start?
FinduilasV: /me nods
sila lumenn' omentielvo!
VardaValar1: We have a new full member this week
ArPharazonV: congratulations to him then!
VardaValar1: On AIM he's OneMatthus
VardaValar1: so please add him to your list. :-)
VardaValar1: He plays WoW and Eve Online
FinduilasV: welcome to him :-)
VardaValar1: He intends to play LotRO when it comes out.
ArPharazonV: US or Europe?
VardaValar1: California Highway Patrolman
Sarujil: so if we get a traffic ticket we know who to call :-)
VardaValar1: He's read the H, LotR, Sil, UT, and is working through
VardaValar1: He'll give you a second one for un-Valarlike behavior. ;-)
VardaValar1: Several members have contacted me to say they're sticking
with us for 2007
VardaValar1: Among them, Ulmo says Gothmog is returning as a MoH member
VardaValar1: Drop from Maia, but back with us. : )
VardaValar1: So that's our second new member for this week.
VardaValar1: We have some interested from the game which cannot be
named, who may join later.
VardaValar1: Any other membership news?
Well on the personal side , i have to say that i had another bad luck
spell with my car
FinduilasV: please bear us in mind in your prayers .. i can do with
them , i went off the road on ice this morning when i wanted t o go to
VardaValar1: Are you ok?
FinduilasV: i am unhurt , the road was not gritted .. at half past
eight , blasted Highland council
FinduilasV: i will sue them
FinduilasV: as you know bruce wrote his car off six weeks ago and we
live in the country
FinduilasV: so thats my wee bit *sigh*
FinduilasV: carry on , please ;-)
VardaValar1: Is your car still able to roll, when not on ice?
FinduilasV: well Varda, it was sort of off the road completely in wet
country , in the heather
FinduilasV: it went down a small slope thing .. the guy from the garage
thought it might be badly damaged underneath but i have to find out
Shaggyjoe: did you get it out yet?
Shaggyjoe: we have those sort of accidents here, cars can sit for a
VardaValar1: So you don't know if you are stuck with going places by
snowshoe for a while.
FinduilasV: so it is
Shaggyjoe: Im sorry to hear that.
FinduilasV: thanks Shagy , thats kind of you, it should have been
gritted and its the second time within three weeks
FinduilasV: its down to the council
VardaValar1: Send that council a copy of your repair bill and ask for
the money. : )
Shaggyjoe: Please do
Shaggyjoe: This is Gelmir By the way.
VardaValar1: Back to Valar Guild...
FinduilasV: i will do that, you can rely on that
VardaValar1: How goes the membership in Euro?
FinduilasV: ok Gelmir
Shaggyjoe: Old timer :-) kinda absent off and on but a member still.
Shaggyjoe: Im 22 so my life likes to take me where it chooses.
FinduilasV: nothing new on the guild membership side from me
VardaValar1: It does that at any age, Gelmir. : )
VardaValar1: Thanks Fin
FinduilasV: Cala, anything from you?
ArPharazonV: nope, nothing from me
FinduilasV: ar phara?
VardaValar1: We had several express interest on Lothar.
VardaValar1: Arwen may be helping us get a little better organized on
Lothar. And maybe even on the Art page.
VardaValar1: We'll see how that works out. : )
VardaValar1: Thanks for being willing, Arwen. : )
VardaValar1: New article by Finduilas-(V). Yes that Finduilas. ;-)
FinduilasV: ;eh who? :P
Daughter of Orodreth"
VardaValar1: Very nicely done.
VardaValar1: It gives the Elf Finduilas story in both the Sil and BoLT
VardaValar1: Thanks for a job well done, Fin. : )
FinduilasV: thanks :D
VardaValar1: On the Forum (which is Web too)
VardaValar1: Eonwe broke the WoW Questing section into server sections.
VardaValar1: Feel free to jump in and talk in your server section. : )
VardaValar1: Side comments on the other servers are also fun.
VardaValar1: The forum trivia sections are going for both LotR and Sil.
Feel free to jump in, everyone!
ArPharazonV: haven't read the forum in a while.... I'll check out
VardaValar1: I answered you, Phar. : )
VardaValar1: Also on web news for the Encyc
VardaValar1: The A-Z menus have been updated with
Finduilas of course, but also
VardaValar1: point to the Dwarves of Thorin's Company that weren't yet
on the list.
VardaValar1: If you spot bad links, please let me know.
VardaValar1: I do a lot of this late at night or wee hours, so strange
things happen. ;-)
VardaValar1: Any other Web News?
VardaValar1: Gaming News:
of the Rings Online is sending out a new wave of invitations for
Shaggyjoe: surprised I didnt get picked ><
VardaValar1: This is for a lot of new people, but also for the old
VardaValar1: The wave is still going on. Don't be discouraged.
VardaValar1: They have a new one monthly. : )
VardaValar1: This is extra large.
VardaValar1: I wish I were allowed to say more, but that's why you
don't see as many as you used to on WoW. : )
ArPharazonV: aww, just read you lost your lvl 99...
VardaValar1: That's D2X, and
VardaValar1: On the good side, it made me more active with a new
character. : )
VardaValar1: I can use D2X even on this small computer. : )
VardaValar1: I'm only going regular this time.
VardaValar1: Anyone else here still have a D2X character?
VardaValar1: If so, you might want to check with me on the pass while
we're here. : )
VardaValar1: Any other non-WoW gaming news?
VardaValar1: The new Aldarion is an Eve Online player as is his dad, and
asked how to get with those of you here who play Eve.
FinduilasV: I have to reinstall Warcraft III again as i uninstalled
to make place for the required installation size of TBC
FinduilasV: which is a bummer , but i will do it ';-)
VardaValar1: ouch. We dropped a few games too.
VardaValar1: And took off the music. Put on stick memory or CD'
VardaValar1: On WoW,
Eonwe Valar: Please make sure you keep your gaming info updated on the
Games Page as well.
ArPharazonV: still have about 50gigabyte of my 200 left, so I was fine,
is one of the servers that Blizzard is saying it is considering
splitting because it has too much traffic.
VardaValar1: With Burning Crusades, it will have a spike of many more.
VardaValar1: Blizzard is offering free character transfers to another
server at this time.
VardaValar1: It is very difficult for any guild to coordinate a mass
ArPharazonV: Argent Dawn seemed to be one of the most overcrowded
servers in Europe as well, but hasn't been mentioned as a considered
splitter... so with luck we'll be ok
VardaValar1: The minute, for instance, that Eonwe jumped, the guild
would be disbanded.
VardaValar1: So we would need at least ten people to be ready at the
same time to make a jump to a new server if were going to do it.
ArPharazonV: aren't there regulations for that, though? that you can
join with your entire guild? or if you would not choose that you
automatically end up with your guildleader?
VardaValar1: We would need to pick a server ahead of time.
VardaValar1: I have seen no helpful information from Blizzard yet.
ArPharazonV: or are you thinking about jumping *before* the split?
GwaihirValar has entered the room.
GwaihirValar: Aiya folks
VardaValar1: Also, a number of our people are cross-guilded.
VardaValar1: Aiya Eagle!
VardaValar1: If we jump before the split, we get to pick our server and
have free character transfers.
ArPharazonV: if you choose at the split, you can choose which of the 2
servers you want to go to
VardaValar1: So far, everyone I've talked to said that they want to
just sit tight and not do a pre-jump. But that's not many people.
VardaValar1: Right now, we have many more than two to choose from.
ArPharazonV: if you choose something, all your characters will go there
ArPharazonV: if you don't, each character ends up with the guildleader
of the guild he goes to
ArPharazonV: *he's in, sorry
VardaValar1: Character transfer is not an account transfer.
VardaValar1: Right. So we may find our characters split all over the
Bior the Ythling has entered the room.
Bior the Ythling: Aiya all
VardaValar1: Right now, we all pop into the friend channel, so we stick
VardaValar1: Aiya : )
ArPharazonV: unless you choose manually, in which case all the
characters of your account will go to the place you choose
VardaValar1: Ok I'm not hearing from any Lothar people in here on this.
VardaValar1: Right Phar, which is what I'm suggesting.
ArPharazonV: which you can do at the split
VardaValar1: Then we could pick any server from the long list and go
ArPharazonV: you'll just be restricted to the 2 choices
VardaValar1: At the split we can only go to one of two.
ArPharazonV: if you jump before the split, then...
ArPharazonV: you'll have to set up the guild anew
Srekal86 has left the room.
VardaValar1: If we jump together, it's not hard.
ArPharazonV: at a split-jump, that won't be necessary
VardaValar1: Ok, no interest in talking by Lothar members. So let's go
WoW, do we have any Valar grouping to report?
FinduilasV: well a mini report aye
VardaValar1: Go ahead Fin
FinduilasV: Finduilasse went with Aeremehtar , Valandile's young rogue
(well he is lvl 40 ) to Angor Fortress so he could practise lockpicking
FinduilasV: we had some fun at the gate and of course the elite with
his adds was a bit hairy but thanks to Findu's lay on hands he could
safe the behind of this suicidal rogue
FinduilasV: We had to stop because my stomach grumbled but Aeremehtar
got his skill up to 200 and was happy enough
FinduilasV: and he got some good gear.
FinduilasV: So that went fairly well :-)
VardaValar1: Sometimes people eat at the comp. hehe
FinduilasV: ah and Calaron gave guidance to Draeneivrin this afternoon
VardaValar1: Those names mean nothing to us. You might add the primary
name with them.
FinduilasV: Calaron, Ar pharazon, and Draeneivrin is my Dranei Shamjmy
ArPharazonV: I'm Calaron, Draeneivrin is Finduilas :-)
FinduilasV: She was looking for the wickerman to burn
FinduilasV: for the fire quest
FinduilasV: That is it on my side
VardaValar1: Thanks, Finduilas. : )
VardaValar1: Eonwe, could you give the WoW Lothar report?
Eonwe Valar: Sure
Eonwe Valar: Questers: Eonw�, Dracxil/Beline, Varda, Sauron, Arwen
Eonwe Valar: Targets: Razelikh, Araj.
Eonwe Valar: Our first task was to defeat the demon Razelikh. He put up
quite the fight, knocking people off the edge as it looked like we were
getting close to winning.
Eonwe Valar: Unfortunately for him, this didn't work the final time,
and when he came back up from chasing Arwen down the hill, we blasted
Eonwe Valar: The Fallen Hero of the Horde was quite pleased with the
Eonwe Valar: After that, we flew to Chillwind Point in the Western
Plaguelands and rode to Andorhal to deal with Araj once again.
Eonwe Valar: We were short Beline at this point, but decided to do it
Eonwe Valar: During what appeared to be a bad pull, we managed to get
the skeletons elsewhere long enough to take out Araj and give Arwen the
chance to collect that which she needed.
Eonwe Valar: After that, we called it a night.
Eonwe Valar: And that concludes the Lothar Report.
Eonwe Valar: Btw, there is a board for the Argent Dawn reports if you'd
like to start putting them up on the Forum, Finduilas, as was announced
earlier in the meeting.
FinduilasV: Ok , thanks Eonwe , i will do that
VardaValar1: That makes for an easy copy/paste report too. ;-)
VardaValar1: Any further gaming discussion?
Eonwe Valar: Aye, that's how I do most of my reports, heh.
Eonwe Valar: Type them there, paste them here.
VardaValar1: Plumbing and wiring excitement over here. Pardon. Small
FinduilasV: Hmm i just ventured into silithus while picking up some un
goro soil and collecting pure ooze samples ;-)
Bior the Ythling: Vanguard comes out in eight days. :-D
VardaValar1: Thanks. : )
VardaValar1: Sauron has really been into NeverWinter Nights, but hasn't
ventured into online grouping yet.
VardaValar1: Please whisper Tolkien topics.
VardaValar1: We know Maiar were in Arda. I wonder how wide-spread that
VardaValar1: It always struck me as odd that Melian stopped Thingol. It
seemed to be an accident.
VardaValar1: It suggests that Maiar were all around, as it wasn't a
plot to stop the Elves from entering Valinor.
VardaValar1: We know Uinen was in all the shallows, her hair spread
into them along the Sea's edge.
VardaValar1: Tom and Goldberry sound like very high level Maiar, of the
type that were said to be nearly Vala level themselves.
VardaValar1: That kind came to help a Vala of their inclination, rather
than really wanting to run major projects themselves.
VardaValar1: There's some question whether Eagles include Maiar, but
they did work with Manwe as extra eyes.
Shaggyjoe: Wow!! ><
VardaValar1: Of course we had the Istari, although lacking parts of
their memory and powers.
Shaggyjoe: thats an awesome topic. :-)
Shaggyjoe: I might have to stop questing and come chat.
Shaggyjoe: sorry if interupted at all
VardaValar1: drop in and make a few comments
VardaValar1: No, nice to find it's not a total monologue to myself. :-)
Shaggyjoe: I've been reading, intently, please continue,
VardaValar1: Thank you.
VardaValar1: Goldberry was known as the River-woman's daughter.
VardaValar1: If the River-woman was a Maia of Ulmo, and not say a human
washerwoman or fisher whose daughter died in the river, heh,
VardaValar1: that suggests a lot of water Maiar.
ArPharazonV: could be Uinen, even
VardaValar1: Interesting thought
VardaValar1: Osse would be quite a father-in-law.
VardaValar1: No wonder Tom stayed well inland. ; )
FinduilasV: wild and uncontrollable as he is
VardaValar1: Besides Maiar, there are also those that acted as helpers
of the Valar who were not Ainur.
VardaValar1: This could be the Ents and Eagles.
VardaValar1: There may have been others.
VardaValar1: Those are the famous ones.
VardaValar1: Have to wonder about those fireflies...
VardaValar1: They look magical enough.
VardaValar1: Melian was a very strong Maia who just happened to be in
the area in the woods.
FinduilasV: fireflies? Where is that?
VardaValar1: That was from me. : )
VardaValar1: I am into spots of light.
ArPharazonV: Ulmo had a whale, right?
VardaValar1: Sorry, pure speculation
VardaValar1: Maybe a small creek Maia had white perch. : )
VardaValar1: But there could have been other powerful Maiar on various
missions all over Arda that never entered the stories.
FinduilasV: and wood Maia white rabbits
VardaValar1: Melian seems to have happened to bump into Thingol.
ArPharazonV: with a pocket watch?
ArPharazonV: or am I in the wrong tale here..
VardaValar1: What has it got in its pocketsss.
VardaValar1: The One Watch!
VardaValar1: Sorry. : )
FinduilasV: /me falls laughing of the chair
VardaValar1: The point is, there may have been a much stronger Maiar
presence than we might have thought.
VardaValar1: That could have been part of why the Fellowship all showed
up right on time.
VardaValar1: That's a lot of details to handle.
ArPharazonV: delegation is the key :-)
VardaValar1: A Vala could say, we need that guy over there. Then the
Maiar try to work the situations to bring the fellow in.
VardaValar1: Phar, bring in Boromir!
VardaValar1: Being silly again, pardon.
VardaValar1: Anyway, you can see that the Vala could have asked for
VardaValar1: Visions came from Irmo, but Olorin/Gandalf could do them
VardaValar1: So that suggests other Maiar might also.
VardaValar1: So when they couldn't get Faramir, they went after his
VardaValar1: He may have gotten one vision at least, assuming he told
the truth or wasn't dreaming normally after Faramir told about his
visions several times.
VardaValar1: For each of the Fellowship, there were many obstacles.
VardaValar1: To overcome all of those and handle the distance so all
arrived at the same time took a lot of coordination.
VardaValar1: A lot of pocket watches on rabbits. ;-)
GwaihirValar: Not to mention a lot of manufactured traveling delays for
those trying to get there early ;-)
VardaValar1: That is pretty much what I wanted to say on that topic,
been in my mind a while.
VardaValar1: True, Gwaihir!
VardaValar1: The oliphaunt shoves a lot of rock in the pass, so the
target has to go around. : )
FinduilasV: obstacles like sam's shortcut to Mushrooms, the fog on the
Barrowwrights and the theft of the horses in Bree?
VardaValar1: And Boromir's loss of a horse.
VardaValar1: Gloin may have had all sorts of politics and projects
FinduilasV: Legolas had no delays , didn't he?
VardaValar1: I'd like to know why he brought his son. Has to be a story
VardaValar1: As usual, Tolkien told us nothing about Legolas.
Sarujil: we know why he was there, thats all
VardaValar1: He must've looked very different from the other Elves, and
he was the only one like that, so he must have come alone.
ArPharazonV: one would think that the one with the least delays would
be the timer the Maiar used to get the rest of the group there ;-)
VardaValar1: Why Boromir or Legolas came without an escort is beyond me.
GwaihirValar: The Elves' doings have generally been left a secret
unless they directly impact the situation at hand...
VardaValar1: True. So who would have the least number of delays?
FinduilasV: They were both heirs of their father, eh?
VardaValar1: Gloin and Gimli maybe?
VardaValar1: Right, Fin.
VardaValar1: Maybe the fathers were trying to discourage them.
GwaihirValar: Probably Legolas, honestly. Elves are faster at travel
than dwarves, and Legolas was slightly closer than anyone else save
possibly the hobbits
VardaValar1: Or punish them.
VardaValar1: Denethor didn't want Boromir to go.
VardaValar1: Legolas appears to have been involved in the group that
lost Gollum during a two-pronged attack.
VardaValar1: You're probably right, Gwaihir.
VardaValar1: The hobbits were the most important, so they were supposed
to be helped by Gandalf with Aragorn as backup.
ArPharazonV: if Faramir got the dreams, would that mean the Ainur
intended for him to go?
ArPharazonV: which means Denethor managed to go directly against their
VardaValar1: I believe he was, Pharazon.
VardaValar1: The Valar believe in free choice.
VardaValar1: So they did a workaround. : )
Sarujil: who knows how the quest would have played out if Faramir had
been in the fellowship instead of his brother
ArPharazonV: but normally they seem quite adept at... manipulation, in
GwaihirValar: He was intended to be a part of it, anyways...
VardaValar1: Workarounds are good.
GwaihirValar: perhaps not the fellowship, but he was obviously intended
to play an important role
VardaValar1: Aye, see my LotRO trivia question. ; )
FinduilasV: which has been answered l;-)
VardaValar1: Now I have to look!
Sarujil: well, you gotta figure that if faramir had gone to rivendell,
he would have been placed in the fellowship for the same reason as
VardaValar1: But Faramir would have helped Frodo make the decision to
go peacefully and by logic.
VardaValar1: Maybe the hobbits would have had more than Sam's one rope.
Sarujil: talking about Faramir this way might be getting a bit
off-topic though ... although I am interested in discussing it :-)
VardaValar1: It's not off-topic too badly
VardaValar1: How the Maiar affected Arda, as they seem to have had much
more of a presence than we could see.
VardaValar1: I was pretty much done. : )
VardaValar1: Tangents are good. : )
GwaihirValar: Alas, but I must go afk for a while now. Family dinner
sorta thing so... I shall talk to you all later :-)
VardaValar1: Finduilas, good job on the trivia question. Your turn!
VardaValar1: *bangs gavel*
VardaValar1: I need to go help with the plumbing and wiring but hope to
be gaming later with you guys. : )
VardaValar1: Choose your games or Tolkien topics or other chat and have
ArPharazonV: enjoy your meal, Gwai
VardaValar1: Enjoy each other's company
FinduilasV: i think i go a bit more sp;ider and scorpid hunting
FinduilasV: i am still a bit hype
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ArPharazonV: allright, saving and sending
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