February 11, 2007 Meeting
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Transcript work by: Ar-Pharzon-(V)
Ancalagon-(V)/Sarujil, ArPharazonV, Arwen V1,
Elros-(V)/LouieKisKowsKi, Eonwe Valar, FinduilasV, Gilraen-(V)/Star of
Phaet, GwaihirValar, VardaValar1 (presiding)
Gorthaur and Gothmog" by Enerdhil-(TV)
of Isen" by Branwyn-(TV)
LotRO pre-order, Open Beta
question: What if you heal people who are fighting mobs you're not
at war with/have good reputation with?
WoW Argent Dawn
The meaning of the name "Beowulf" and its relation to "Beorn".
You have just entered room "valarguildmeetingplace."
ArPharazonV has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya :-)
ArPharazonV: thought I wouldn't make it in time, but the Old Hillsbrad
instance was a lot faster than I anticipated!
ArPharazonV: we rescued thrall :-)
GwaihirValar has entered the room.
ArPharazonV: Aiya Gwai!
MrMonkey2002Blah has entered the room.
Star of Phaet has entered the room.
twosurlydwarves has entered the room.
Srekal86 has entered the room.
Star of Phaet: Aiya folks
twosurlydwarves: do you think it might?
ArPharazonV: of course, we had a friendly lvl 70 holy paladin to heal,
so it wasn't very hard
Arwen V1 has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya : )
LaurealasseHelka has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Glad you could make it : )
VardaValar1: Pardon, guest leaving
twosurlydwarves: I know, it's old
ArPharazonV: is there a reason the news-page suddenly looks italic to
VardaValar1: Pardon, am working on that : )
VardaValar1: Which quote is on top?
ArPharazonV: If you haven't already, let Varda know that you would like
to help continue the Valar Guild by being counted as a member for 2007.
People who can 't be contacted will be dropped at the end of February.
ArPharazonV: oh, quote
VardaValar1: aye : )
ArPharazonV: 'The Ents are going to wake up and find that they are
ArPharazonV: ah, it depends on the quote... when I refresh I get a
different quote, and the rest of the text goes normal again
twosurlydwarves: someone forgot an end tag ;-)
ArPharazonV: after refreshing a bunch of times, that seems to be the
only quote that does it
VardaValar1: Ok, fixed the end tag
VardaValar1: That would be me. I was just working on the quotes when
the meeting came up.
VardaValar1: Right, Beorn : )
VardaValar1: I hope that's the last one, got in a rush
VardaValar1: Holler if you spot another!
VardaValar1: Finduilas says she's eating dinner but should be with us
in maybe five minutes.
VardaValar1: Eonwe may not make it. He has a German project that
requires him to be elsewhere with his group.
VardaValar1: He'll try to be here if he can
ArPharazonV: lvl 67 today! 1 more to flying form, and 3 more in total
VardaValar1: Nice! I made all of 61 on Fainan
VardaValar1: So is everyone punching the News page for quotes with no
end tags? : )
VardaValar1: I think it's ok now
twosurlydwarves: so far so good for me
VardaValar1: Let's start. The others will have to catch up!
sila lumenn' omentielvo!
VardaValar1: Membership News:
VardaValar1: You probably just read most of it on the News page, but
changed his mind about dropping Full Membership while in the military,
and no the name is not free. ;-)
is looking for fellow Runescape players that
are Valar members
VardaValar1: Email him : )
is a new Tolkien-only member this week.
who joined us a short time felt that he was not a good fit for the
guild. He is welcome back, as we disagree. He was just having a bad day.
VardaValar1: A realllly bad day.
VardaValar1: Never make decisions on days like that. ;-)
FinduilasV has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Welcome back from dinner, Finduilas : )
ArPharazonV: Aiya Finduilas!
FinduilasV: thankies and it was well earned ;-)
FinduilasV: Aiya all
VardaValar1: twosurlydwarves is considering joining the guild as Beorn and looks to be a shoo-in when
he does his try-out. : )
VardaValar1: Any further membership news?
FinduilasV: /me shakes head
sent us a new story, original, for his (TV) honor entry:
VardaValar1: "Of Gorthaur and Gothmog"
is also new this week, sorry I left her out of the Membership news
VardaValar1: She sent "The Fords of Isen" as a story
VardaValar1: previously published on Stories of Arda. She is permitting
us to archive a batch more of them as well.
VardaValar1: A ghost story, Rohirric style
VardaValar1: Any further Web news?
VardaValar1: Most of the webbers aren't here, makes this section short.
VardaValar1: Gaming News:
VardaValar1: Who played a game online that was not WoW? : )
VardaValar1: this week, I mean.
pre-ordering is available, and they will let such folk join the Open
Eonwe Valar has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Look up the Valar Guild there
VardaValar1: Aiya Eonwe!
Eonwe Valar: Heya
ArPharazonV: so it's no longer the game that can't be named, then?
VardaValar1: We just did Member, Web, and now on Gaming
VardaValar1: Well, yes it is the game that cannot be mentioned still
VardaValar1: if you are in Beta2
VardaValar1: since that is not Open Beta
ArPharazonV: I see
VardaValar1: but soon, we can be more free in speech. : )
VardaValar1: It's been a busy place ;-)
Euro, do we have a report?
FinduilasV: Yes a little report
VardaValar1: Fire when ready, Fin : )
FinduilasV: Finduias visited with Orophin the Sunken Temple in the
FinduilasV: he acted as both healer and tank, which was a bit confusing
FinduilasV: it was hard going since we were not really sure of our way
and had connection problems
FinduilasV: which unfortunately lead to several disconnects and
resulting deaths, finally it got too long and Orophin had to leave
FinduilasV: (small note: the group did get to the end includinga all
FinduilasV: It got very early though ;-)
VardaValar1: O good! : )
FinduilasV: Later Failivrin and Caradhras had a spot of hunting in
FinduilasV: Caradhras is Valandil; s mage
FinduilasV: Tigers, raptors, Kurzen fighters , panthers and murlocs ,
basilisks and trolls learned to fear the combined forces of hunter and
FinduilasV: After finishing the tasks successfully both hunters said
fairwell and went to their well earned rest
FinduilasV: I am done
VardaValar1: Sounds sort of final. I hope it was Irmo's rest and not
Namo's. : )
VardaValar1: Thank you, Finduilas!
VardaValar1: Eonwe, could you give the WoW Lothar server report?
Eonwe Valar: Sure
Eonwe Valar: Varda, Dracxil, and I did some questing for them in
Hellfire Peninsula, later joined for a while by Arwen.
Eonwe Valar: After Beline and Arwen left, Varda and I did a bit more
questing, chatting with Cudaerg in the process.
Eonwe Valar: Also on were Eowyn, with whom Arwen had been playing
before joining us.
Eonwe Valar: Arathorn and Jonac were in the Valar channel.
Eonwe Valar: That concludes the report.
VardaValar1: Thank you Eonwe!
ArPharazonV: how're you all liking Outland then?
ArPharazonV: fallen off the edge yet? :-)
VardaValar1: Don't want to go back to the old area. Haven't fallen off
the edge, but came close. ;-)
ArPharazonV: well, there's no AH in Outland, and no classtrainers
ArPharazonV: so you'll have to go back to Azeroth sooner or later :-)
VardaValar1: There's a lot of portals in Shattrath
twosurlydwarves has left the room.
FinduilasV: /me is proud that Finduilasse did not fall once off cliff
edges in Zul Gurup
VardaValar1: Jump back and forth
ArPharazonV: true, Varda
twosurlydwarves has entered the room.
twosurlydwarves: sorry about that
ArPharazonV: as a druid, I just teleport to moonglade and talk to a
ArPharazonV: then hearthstone back :-)
VardaValar1: Efficient. : )
ArPharazonV: I've got alts sitting at the auction house to do my
business for me, any items I want to sell or buy and any money involved
just goes through the mail
ArPharazonV: only problem is that I started exploring the Caverns of
Time now, so that sends me all the way back to Tanaris from time to
FinduilasV: You can help findu with anachronos then :D
ArPharazonV: anachronos is no longer in the way, they moved him to the
FinduilasV: /me looks innocently
server is collecting Blood Elves. : )
ArPharazonV: besides, I'm not fighting Anachronos, I'm exalted with his
VardaValar1: We still need to have officer presence there to help with
VardaValar1: and we need to remember to put our new characters in Valar
VardaValar1: Also, for those concerned about Lothar dividing us up since we have
characters in Valar Guild and in others,
ArPharazonV: it poses an interesting question, though... what
if you heal people who are fighting mobs you're not at war with/have
good reputation with?
ArPharazonV: do you still get drawn into the fight?
VardaValar1: remember you can always keep up the Valar friend channel, and bring in
any polite, fun people you want to meet again.
twosurlydwarves: no, they ignore you as a target
twosurlydwarves: friend and I were allied with opposite centaur clans,
and he would heal me all the time
ArPharazonV: and if you would die, the mob would ignore him?
twosurlydwarves: no response from them
VardaValar1: Whisper Tolkien topic suggestions please
ArPharazonV: btw, did your friend get negative reputation then if a mob
ArPharazonV: well, negative with his own faction, that is
twosurlydwarves: I don't recall
ArPharazonV: if he would gain the rep for your faction, but not lose
the rep for his, you could use a system like that to get friendly with
both factions... but I doubt that's the case :-)
VardaValar1: Beorn-to-be in-game said some comments that were
interesting to pass on.
VardaValar1: Would you like to repeat about the name of Beowulf?
twosurlydwarves: oh - lol, ok
twosurlydwarves: I'm an Old English buff
twosurlydwarves: and in Old English and Scandinavian writing there is a
device called a "kenning"
twosurlydwarves: it's a sort of play on words, like a battle being
called instead a "raven feast" or the sea being called the "ship road"
twosurlydwarves: they get pretty complicated, with kennings layering
twosurlydwarves: the name "Beowulf" is actually a kenning for "Beorn"
twosurlydwarves: Beorn means "bear"
twosurlydwarves: "Beowulf" means literally "bee wolf", ie "honey thief"
VardaValar1: Thank you. That is both interesting and funny.
VardaValar1: Wolf was a term used for thieves or other outcasts that
were forced into the woods for survival.
ArPharazonV: I wonder if Tolkien knew that... but as a teacher of the
subject, I suspect that to be the case :-)
VardaValar1: He certainly knew. He taught Beowulf for years, the story
twosurlydwarves: he wrote a lot of articles about kennings in OE poetry
VardaValar1: The other Tolkien topic suggested, for which we may have
to pin his ears back, was "Balrog wings".
VardaValar1: Kennings seem to have survived in lesser form as puns. : )
VardaValar1: The Irish liked to make common words and statements into
something more interesting and creative
VardaValar1: and expected everyone to be able to do poetry on the spot.
VardaValar1: The Norse were like that in the poetry too
VardaValar1: They had to cultivate very good memories.
twosurlydwarves: got to love the oral storytelling and bardic tradition
VardaValar1: Now we write it down instead. One hopes that will not
affect our brain capacity genetically. : )
twosurlydwarves: I refuse to write down any of my stories. It seems to
lessen them somewhat.
VardaValar1: That is sad
VardaValar1: Since many of us will never be able to hear them told.
Sarujil has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Maybe you could give the lesser version and tweak it now
and then, or add alternate versions
VardaValar1: Aiya Ancalagon!
twosurlydwarves: Sure you will, get on to voice chat with me sometime,
and I'll tell you - then you can pass them on yourself. ;-)
Eonwe Valar: Glad not all writers feel like that. We'd have no fiction
Eonwe Valar: or literature :}
twosurlydwarves: This is true. It's just that with mine, they change
with every telling.
Eonwe Valar: Tolkien saw writing as an act of subcreation.
twosurlydwarves: Not that I've not written, mind you - I just have
stories that I want passed on orally, because of the traditions
twosurlydwarves: I've actually had someone tell me one of my own
stories at an SCA event before, not knowing it was mine.
twosurlydwarves: And that's perfect, in my book.
VardaValar1: And it was still recognizable. : )
twosurlydwarves: Like I always say, it appeals to my inner Viking.
VardaValar1: : )
VardaValar1: We need to drag twosurlydwarves into another room to haze,
er, induct him into the guild. : )
ArPharazonV: great! good luck :-)
VardaValar1: Those of you who are working towards Maia or are Maia and
want to come along, let me know for the room invitation.
twosurlydwarves: Is this when I get dunked in the vat of mustard? :-(
VardaValar1: The rest of you have free talk or can join up in a game or
VardaValar1: You want wet or dry mustard?
Eonwe Valar: Don't worry, we do have Grey Poupon.
VardaValar1: Finduilas, Eonwe, myself...
VardaValar1: any others?
twosurlydwarves: There we go then. I'm all for it.
VardaValar1: (afk, sneaking off to games and stories)
VardaValar1: (two probably holding hands over there. You know who you
VardaValar1: Short break requested
FinduilasV: here I am here
ArPharazonV: it's not me!
Eonwe Valar: Aiyata
VardaValar1: Hantal : )
FinduilasV: and this means?
ArPharazonV: thank you, I think..
VardaValar1: Aiyata is welcome back
VardaValar1: Hantal is thank you
VardaValar1: Now you can use it too!
FinduilasV: Hantal :-)
VardaValar1: I hear arguments on whether the other is hannon le or le
hannon : )
VardaValar1: There you go!
Eonwe Valar: hannon le sounds more natural to me.
VardaValar1: Movie made hannon le famous.
ArPharazonV: le hannon sounds french :-)
VardaValar1: Aye : )
twosurlydwarves: The movie also claimed that "Evenstar" was a piece of
jewelry, not a name.
VardaValar1: That was annoying
VardaValar1: They could have used the actual elessar stone!
VardaValar1: It would have been green though
Eonwe Valar: Give it 20 years, and maybe someone will make a better
version. Or they'll butcher it worse to push a personal agenda of some
VardaValar1: I'm wondering how The Hobbit is going to turn out with
totally different people making it.
twosurlydwarves: I'm worried that they will focus on the FX for Smaug
and forget the rest.
Eonwe Valar: Depends on how you want to see the glass at this point:
half-empty, or half-full.
Eonwe Valar: Don't think they've started filming yet.
Eonwe Valar: Then again I haven't kept as close a watch on it.
FinduilasV: something only time will tell
ArPharazonV: they have quite high expectations to live up to
ArPharazonV: I just wonder if that'll make a difference, though
VardaValar1: They will want to bring in a lot of the same actors, maybe
VardaValar1: Suppose New Zealand will get to be the background again?
twosurlydwarves: They might get the rights to use Hobbitton again
twosurlydwarves: Which would be cool.
ArPharazonV: perhaps Rivendell too
FinduilasV: I guess they will need those if they want any continuity
FinduilasV: or pretinuity rathere ;_)
twosurlydwarves: Problem with using Hobbitton is that there are people
living there now.
ArPharazonV: give them hairy feet, and let's roll! ;-)
VardaValar1: Mabye they could find a hotel or be disguised. : )
FinduilasV: Is the preorder date for europe out yet, Phara?
ArPharazonV: no idea, I don't pay much attention to LotRO
ArPharazonV: I've had my share of Tolkien-games with Battle for
Middle-earth, maps for Warcraft 3, and a variety of single-player games
ArPharazonV: I'll stick to Warcraft for my MMO :-)
VardaValar1: I'll be in both, as I am now
ArPharazonV: I enjoy speculation, sure, but I'm not sure if I'd agree
with all the tiny details they must have inserted into LotRO to fill it
up, and will probably consider it canon
ArPharazonV: I don't mind Blizzard changing their own story for their
own line of games, but I'm not sure I'd appreciate the same with
ArPharazonV: who knows what stuff will be new in the game and people
will take for granted when discussion Tolkien, like the movies have
VardaValar1: They are much better than Blizzard about keeping to the
lore so far, and we have a bunch of us keeping an eye on it. They are
VardaValar1: Not nearly so bad as the movies!
VardaValar1: Far far better
ArPharazonV: but also far far more, if they want to fill up a MMO
twosurlydwarves: From what I've read, they are much more respectful of
the Professor and his work than PJ ever was.
VardaValar1: They are indeed
ArPharazonV: I'm sure they are, but there are a lot more holes to fill
that wouldn't oppose Tolkien as such
VardaValar1: Non disclosure agrrement is a problem, but I promise it's
ArPharazonV: I'm not worried about what they'd change, I'm worried
about what they'll add
VardaValar1: maybe you should try the free beta. I understand your
ArPharazonV: and how that will affect the future in discussing Tolkien,
especially when we get members who are new to Tolkien with the game
ArPharazonV: they'll take things for canon that have nothing to do with
the books whatsoever
ArPharazonV: of course, that's no reason in itself for me to avoid
playing the game, because I can no doubt keep it seperated, having been
a fan of Tolkien long before the game...
VardaValar1: As the movies did, the game is bringing more people to
read the books who would not have.
ArPharazonV: but I still worry it would change my perception of Tolkien
GwaihirValar: I'm sorry friends, I must be going to sleep... been a
pleasure reading and have a good evening all
ArPharazonV: just as with the movie, you suddenly see images in your
head when you read the books again, which used to be left to your own
GwaihirValar has left the room.
twosurlydwarves: I can tell you that the movies didn't change my
perception very much. I still see a very different Rivendell in my head
when I read.
VardaValar1: So now you see long-eared elves in your head from WoW? : )
VardaValar1: same here
twosurlydwarves: Although I will say that do see Sean Astin when I read
Sam, and Bakshi's Frodo.
VardaValar1: Sean Astin did make a perfect Sam
ArPharazonV: that's the kind of details I'm talking about :-)
VardaValar1: He was very close to my imagination, which was amazing
ArPharazonV: for some reason I always used to picture Sam with a
swollen face, longer hair and a straw hat... not sure where that image
came from, though I must have seen it somewhere
ArPharazonV: nope, that's not it
twosurlydwarves: Where there's a whip, there's a way!
VardaValar1: Ask any Orc. : )
ArPharazonV: that's not him either
ArPharazonV: I'm really not sure where it came from
ArPharazonV: maybe just a product of various lines of reasoning within
ArPharazonV: maybe if I was any good at drawing, I'd give it a shot
ArPharazonV: watching a gallery of frames from Rankin-Bass's RotK
now... that's an interesting Gollum
ArPharazonV: looks a bit like a cross between a lizard and a frog
ArPharazonV: the green isn't helping either ;-)
VardaValar1: Book says Gollum is black
twosurlydwarves: And the elves in the Rankin-Bass Hobbit
ArPharazonV: look at http://www.cedmagic.com/featured/tolkien/rotk-2-1739-gollum-attack.html
and tell me you can't see my line of thought ;-)
twosurlydwarves: He looks liess froglike that ne did in their Hobbit
FinduilasV: oh dear
FinduilasV: /me bursts out laughing
VardaValar1: I'm putting that on my screensaver. hehe
ArPharazonV: looking at the Hobbit-gallery now... I just know those
dwarves are going to give me nightmares
VardaValar1: Sweet expressions. : )
FinduilasV: somehow cute
FinduilasV: but also funnt
ArPharazonV: how about Thranduil? http://www.cedmagic.com/featured/tolkien/h-2-1216-wood-elf-king.html
ArPharazonV: looks a bit... skinny!
VardaValar1: Should be goblin-king
Star of Phaet: those dwarves are CREEPY
VardaValar1: They got the yellow hair at least
twosurlydwarves: Didn't Thranduil have some sort of thick German accent
in that, too?
VardaValar1: leaves and berrys for the crown, good
LaurealasseHelka has left the room.
ArPharazonV: and the three trolls look like big monkeys! http://www.cedmagic.com/featured/tolkien/h-1-1351-three-trolls.html
ArPharazonV: if they just had a pose with one holding his hands over
his eyes, one holding his hands on his ears, and one a hand over his
mouth, it would be perfect
LouieKisKowsKi has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Welcome to the Valar
VardaValar1: He just passed his test. : )
VardaValar1: Aiya Elros!
twosurlydwarves: And quite a workout it was - lol
VardaValar1: He did very well!
VardaValar1: Now go eat that well-deserved dinner!
twosurlydwarves: I'll see you guys later! /wave
twosurlydwarves has left the room.
Eonwe Valar: Btw, here's a free piece of music advice. Don't bother
with a heavy metal band calling itself "Amon Amarth." It's generic
heavy metal: screaming into the mic, can't make out the words, etc.
VardaValar1: Hehe. Bilbo has one of their Tee-shirts.
Eonwe Valar: Blind Guardian is far superior in my opinion. Then again,
I like to understand what people are saying :}
VardaValar1: The very notion! oh, me too.
VardaValar1: Luckily there are a great many tastes.
VardaValar1: Bilbo understands singing that I can't make out at all.
Eonwe Valar: And I like some variation in the music as well. Seriously,
there is little difference between songs for Amon Amarth, or for any
generic heavy metal band I've heard, for that matter.
FinduilasV: /me stomps her foot to pipes and fiddles
FinduilasV: Not to mention that i do like rocky stuff :D
Eonwe Valar: voices impress me, throat noises do not.
FinduilasV: heavy guitars and good drumming, but it has to be melodious
and i do have to understand that there are words
FinduilasV: I agree Eonwe
FinduilasV: The old school ..Deep Purple , Uriah Heep .. and that
Eonwe Valar: I think there was another one with a Tolkien-related name
I'd warn against, but don't remember it at the moment.
FinduilasV: I love Queen and Metallica heeh
Eonwe Valar: Aye, I actually like some of Metallica's songs.
VardaValar1: They didn't name it after Tolkien. Amon Amarth was for
Eonwe Valar: Tolkien-sounding then.
VardaValar1: Aye : )
Eonwe Valar: Or maybe the other one was Norse-related.
Eonwe Valar: Either way, I wasn't impressed :}
VardaValar1: Thanks for a good meeting, folks. :-)
VardaValar1: See you in games, in mail, and in AIM
FinduilasV: aye it was nice but i guess it is time for bed L)
VardaValar1: I need to be in AIM more to talk with some of the folks
who are about to be lost
VardaValar1: They are online in AIM often but I can't get a response
VardaValar1: Namarie for now!
FinduilasV: Namarie !
FinduilasV: I shall see you in 'woW P:hara
ArPharazonV: You sure will!
FinduilasV: tomorrow :D
FinduilasV has left the room.
Eonwe Valar: Looks like I need to go as well. Other internet ventures
not running so well with this up.
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Eonwe Valar: Take care all, goodn night, sleep well, and have fun.
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