Valar Guild

September 17, 2006 Meeting

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Ar-Pharazon-(V) and Varda-(Valar)

Attending (14):
    Members: Ancalagon-(V)/Sarujil, ArPharazonV, Arwen V1, Bombur-(V)/MrMonkey2002Blah, Eonwe Valar, FladrifV, Gil-galad-(V)/Xseanzee disco, Gilraen-(V)/Star of Phaet, Glorfindel-(V)/Glorfindel VG, Menelvagor Valar, VardaValar1 (presiding).
    Visitors: Bradox guild-friend/Lokiey1054, oladys 123, Srekal86

Meeting begins
    Glorfindel (after-meeting)
    Eve Online: free trials available. Ask Orodreth
    Lord of the Rings Online (LotRO)
    Well of Souls (WoS): Orodreth requests help from story-tellers.
    Orodreth-(V)'s topic: Dwarves in the fourth age: do we have any more info on how Khazad-Dum went? Was it successful in the long term? Also, what do we know about the eastern dwarven settlements? Quote found by Ar-Pharazon covering Moria's future.
    Tangented into fun silliness role-playing for those who know the Silmarillion too well.

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Arwen V1 has entered the room.
FladrifV has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya :-)
ArPharazonV: Aiya
FladrifV: Aiya
Eonwe Valar: Heya all. Wrapping up on Uldaman
ArPharazonV: I'm no longer a lvl 315 skinner!
Srekal86 has entered the room.
ArPharazonV: in an effort to get revered with the Thorium Brotherhood, I have taken up mining and plan to farm BRD for dark iron ore
VardaValar1: ahh, Fangorn and Elwing on Lothar
ArPharazonV: when I'm revered, I'll go back to skinning
Eonwe Valar: Ancalagon on Uldaman
Sarujil has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya :-)
Eonwe Valar: Heya :}
Star of Phaet has entered the room.
Sarujil: hi
Star of Phaet: gosh, that time already?
VardaValar1: Sneaks up, aye
Star of Phaet: Aiya folks
Eonwe Valar: Yep :}
VardaValar1: I was updating the AIM buddy list. Hope everyone's on it now!
VardaValar1: If you see an error on the Members page, please let me know

VardaValar1: Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo!
VardaValar1: Membership news:
VardaValar1: We have several people who have asked for tests for Full Membership.
VardaValar1: We hope to be seeing them around.
VardaValar1: Do any of you have member news?
VardaValar1: This can be a real life brag if you like. :-)
VardaValar1: Or if you're going to be gone a while or started a new game or stopped an old one.

VardaValar1: Web News:
ArPharazonV: could whine that this last friday was exactly 7 years after I became single, but... nobody wants to hear that
VardaValar1: You don't even want to remember that! : )
VardaValar1: Guess you'll have to make do with our company. : )
ArPharazonV: :-)
VardaValar1: I have not been working on the web pages this week, and apologize to the group for that.
VardaValar1: If any of you have articles, art, stories, poetry, language goodies, or other to email in, don't worry, I'll tend to that!
VardaValar1: Any other webwork done this week?

VardaValar1: Gaming:
VardaValar1: Has anyone played a game besides WoW this last week?
ArPharazonV: bit of warcraft 3, but not much
VardaValar1: Reminds me, need to check in on D2X characters.
VardaValar1: Ah, cool. : )
ArPharazonV: mostly during WoW server queues :-)
VardaValar1: hehe
VardaValar1: Other games are good for that. A bit of BroodWar for instance. : )
VardaValar1: In Lord of the Rings Online news:
ArPharazonV: yup, but happened to have the TFT cd already in, so was the fastest ;-)
VardaValar1: some members did make it into the Beta.
VardaValar1: Good point, Phar.
VardaValar1: I hope any of you that made it in will email me with your name there, as we are not allowed to post them or that you are on to a public forum.
VardaValar1: We can get together in game however. : )
VardaValar1: This is one case where I can't do it for you, guys. You're going to have to get in contact.
VardaValar1: Any other LotRO news?
Oessala: I lost my BW and TFT keys. :-(
VardaValar1: Oh, the beta is now closed.
VardaValar1: But October should have more beta invitations.
VardaValar1: ouch, Orodreth!
VardaValar1: Box lost?
Oessala: I lost the boxes years ago..
VardaValar1: Might try keeping a book for passwords, keys, the like, maybe a binder near the comp.
Oessala: Had the keys but between cleaning up my laptop and reformatting my main comp I lost my keys.
Oessala: :-(
VardaValar1: I do that or would be lost.
ArPharazonV: youch
VardaValar1: yike
Eonwe Valar: I don't think BW had a CD key, but Starcraft's is right on the CD cover.
Oessala: Yea.
Oessala: Like I said, boxes went away years ago.
VardaValar1: The CD cover is not the same as the box, to me anyway. : )
Oessala: CDs disappeared as well.
Oessala: Yay for CD images.
Eonwe Valar: If you have the Starcraft CD/CD Cover, you've got the CD Key
VardaValar1: They are probably not very expensive to replace now.
Eonwe Valar: Ah, well that is a problem then.
Oessala: No, but I need money for my crac-I mean Eve.
ArPharazonV: hehe
Oessala: Anyways, no SC/BW/WC3/TFT for me.
VardaValar1: We aren't addicted to our games, no, oh no. ;-)
VardaValar1: Gilraen, Members page correction made. Thanks :-)
VardaValar1: You have an Eve Online report of some kind, Orodreth? I take it you like it. ;-)
VardaValar1: Guess he's back on it. heh.
VardaValar1: No Finduilas today?
ArPharazonV: probably busy with her new house?
Oessala: My sub ran out today.
VardaValar1: Probably in the middle of her move. Good luck to her.
Oessala: Waiting for someoen to get me a time card so I can play again.
VardaValar1: Orodreth, so you are going to mow lawns or shovel snow or whatever for your subscription? : )
VardaValar1: Babysit, wash dishes...
VardaValar1: I'll stop. ;-)
Oessala: No, you can buy GTCs with ingame cash. I almost have enough. Asking my CEO for a loan. :p
VardaValar1: : )
VardaValar1: Good luck
VardaValar1: Ar-Pharazon, do you have a WoW Europe report?
Oessala: In other news my alliance got wardeced by the top PvP alliance in Eve. Mercenaries. Several pirates have wardeced us too.
Oessala: So I'm missing a great time right now. :-(
ArPharazonV: hmm... Europe... got Noth down again, making progress on Faerlina, in Naxxramas...
ArPharazonV: didn't get any loot this week
ArPharazonV: made it to Corporal rank
VardaValar1: No loot you cared about, you mean. ;-)
ArPharazonV: no, I meant I didn't get any loot :-)
VardaValar1: eww
VardaValar1: Any news on the Euro Valar Guild branch formation?
ArPharazonV: let's see.... oh, yes, I've started a little project for 1 of my missing 3 leatherworking patterns
ArPharazonV: which involves abandoning my legendary 315 skinning skill, and starting mining, then farming dark iron ore in BRD, get revered by the Thorium Brotherhood, and then buying the pattern
ArPharazonV: could be a while before that's done, though... few thousand dark iron ore
ArPharazonV: Euro Valar Guild branch? no, haven't heard any news
ArPharazonV: went on my alt on the charter this week, she wasn't in a guild yet
VardaValar1: How about from Fladrif?
ArPharazonV: so I assume Finduilas still needs a name or 2
ArPharazonV: Fladrif is here present
ArPharazonV: *pokes Fladrif*
VardaValar1: He's not responding
ArPharazonV: no, not much, concerning WoW
VardaValar1: You have to be present to accept an invitation.
ArPharazonV: :-)
VardaValar1: Between WoW reports, Orodreth would like to interject a comment on Well of Souls.
VardaValar1: Oro, go ahead.
ArPharazonV: hmm... no, I guess that concludes my report, haven't had much news from Menel either
VardaValar1: Thanks Phar
Oessala: Just another beg for people to give me ideas on Elvondel.
Oessala: We had a small group going on WoS but I don't know what happened to it.
VardaValar1: Maybe we could be of more help on a beta run
Oessala: If people start showing interest again I can get a server hosted by a friend of mine.
VardaValar1: I didn't see Aerienell available
Oessala: Just snith an empty server. :-)
Oessala: snitch*
VardaValar1: When do you come onto WoS, Orodreth? Aren't you usually on Eve?
VardaValar1: Sauron tried WoS this weekend, we didn't see Aerienell.
Oessala: Yea, but I come on if I'm getting station camped which happens often now.
Oessala: I'm always on Aim, you can toss me a message there.
VardaValar1: ouch, ok
VardaValar1: Thanks
VardaValar1: Just go to any server, then?
ArPharazonV: station camped?
Oessala: Or if there arn't enough battleships to counter action means WoS. :-)
Oessala: Find an empty one and start Aeri on it, yea.
ArPharazonV: and how will we know you find us there? ;-)
VardaValar1: okies. We did try to do that. Guess it worked. Is that the same way to do Elvondel?
Oessala: Umm...closest relation to WoW..uhh..your inn being camped by people. But remember Eve is all about non-consentual pvp.
Oessala: Elvondel isn't nearly playable yet.
ArPharazonV: inn being camped by people?
Oessala: I need creative people to help me think up storylines. :-)
Oessala: You leave the inn/station, you get killzord. :p
VardaValar1: Didn't see much storyline on Aerinell
ArPharazonV: heh
Oessala: It's hidden, but definatly there.
ArPharazonV: that third server had a storyline too, right? a pretty detailed one? what was it called...
ArPharazonV: ehrr third world
Oessala: Revolution of Terror?
ArPharazonV: yeah, RoT
Oessala: Too many jerks play that and it's too geared to min/maxing. It used to be fun, but alas no more.
Oessala: Also, golden souls can check who is on a server. :-)
ArPharazonV: which you have, I assume
Oessala: One of the benefitys of having begged $25 off my grandmother those years ago. :-)
ArPharazonV: *grin*
MrMonkey2002Blah has entered the room.
MrMonkey2002Blah: Hail.
VardaValar1: Aiya Bombur
ArPharazonV: Aiya Mr Monkey!
VardaValar1: We need to move on to Eonwe's WoW report
Oessala: Also! I have trials for Eve! You'll love it...more if I can get in game and toss some cash and advice.
Oessala: Dassit from here.
VardaValar1: Trials?
Oessala: 2 weeks, free, no credit card or anything. How I got hooked.
VardaValar1: ah, thanks : )
VardaValar1: Eonwe, go ahead. [Note: WoW Lothar server guild branch]
Eonwe Valar: Thanks
Eonwe Valar: This week's Guild Questing took Varda, Merry, Fangorn, Turin, and myself into BRD
Eonwe Valar: Our goal: the bar.
VardaValar1: hehe
VardaValar1: There really is a place called the bar there : )
Eonwe Valar: Since we had the Shadowforge key, we could take a somewhat shorter path.
Eonwe Valar: The Fire Elementals didn't like us heading that way though :}
Eonwe Valar: After a few rough spats with them and a pair of Dark Irons, we got passed, took out some annoying Gnomes and their Golems, beat up 4 more Fire Elementals, and arrived at the bar.
ArPharazonV: (6 fire elementals before the bar, I thought?)
Eonwe Valar: We delivered the Love Potion to the bar owner (no, only 4).
ArPharazonV: (odd, could've sworn... oh well)
oladys 123 has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya : )
Eonwe Valar: She kindly opened the back door for us when she went to test out the love potion.
oladys 123: hiya
ArPharazonV: Aiya
oladys 123: wow, full house :-)
Eonwe Valar: We then dealt with Ribbly Screwspigot, and with little time to spare, we decided to go after Incendius.
Eonwe Valar: He went down more or less easily.
ArPharazonV: oh dear, not the creepy smilies again...
Eonwe Valar: And then we called it a night. Thus concludes my report.
ArPharazonV: anything good dropped?
Eonwe Valar: A 16-slot quiver from Ribbly
ArPharazonV: oh, nice
Eonwe Valar: A blue +15 int +10 fire resist from Incendius.
Eonwe Valar: *bracer
ArPharazonV: cloth/leather/mail/plate?
Eonwe Valar: mail
Xseanzee disco has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar: thought I was forgetting another important piece of info.
VardaValar1: Some lovely disenchant stuff too : )
VardaValar1: Aiya Gil-galad : )
Eonwe Valar: And that really does do it for my report :}
Eonwe Valar: Back to you, Varda :}
VardaValar1: Thank you, Eonwe : )
Xseanzee disco: hey :-)
ArPharazonV: Pyremail Wristguards?
VardaValar1: Eonwe's brother, whom we know as long-time guild-friend Dracxil/Beline/Fellene
VardaValar1: is having his birthday party right now. : )
VardaValar1: Eonwe has been called away to Sing as a proper Vala should.
oladys 123: sorry, I've to leave for another 10 minutes... feeding time
VardaValar1: Horses won't wait : )
VardaValar1: See you later

VardaValar1: Tolkien Discussion:
VardaValar1: Orodreth has need of information. Go ahead, Orodreth!
Glorfindel VG has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya Glorfindel. Well-timed, Tolkien talk now starting : )
Glorfindel VG: Aiya Varda!
Glorfindel VG: sorry i havnt been around in some time
VardaValar1: You're here now!
Oessala: Dwarves int he fourth age: do we have any mor einfo on how Khazad-Dum went? Was it successful in the long term?
Oessala: Also, what do we know about the eastern dwarven settlements?
VardaValar1: How far east?
Oessala: farther than the map in LotR. :p
VardaValar1: Probably not much then. Would have been under the rule of Morgoth, and he would not have been kind to them.
Oessala: So beyond Rhun.
Oessala: Definiativly?
VardaValar1: Perhaps they would have moved in from the western area in the fourth age, but Men would have been all over it, a problem.
ArPharazonV: about Khazad-Dum: History of Middle-Earth: book 12, Peoples of Middle-Earth: page 278 in my version:
ArPharazonV: "And the line of Dain prospered, and the wealth and renown of the kingship was renewed, until there arose again for the last time an heir of that House bore the name of Durin, and he returned to Moria;
ArPharazonV: and there was light again in deep places, and the ringing hammers and the harping of harps, until the world grew old and the Dwarves failed and the days of Durin's race were ended."
VardaValar1: Beautiful. Thanks for the quote!
ArPharazonV: from the making of Appendix A this piece of text comes, and although it was omitted, the name of Durin the last is still visible in the dwarven family-tree without any further mention in the text
ArPharazonV: so it is assumed that it simply became "lost" in the haste with which Tolkien finally prepared the Appendices
ArPharazonV: so we can easily take this as the final word on it :-)
VardaValar1: Or for brevity. But that would have been wonderful to include1
ArPharazonV: well, it is what his son concluded, anyway
Lokiey1054 has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya Lokiey : )
Lokiey1054: Hello all
ArPharazonV: Aiya!
Oessala: so Khazad-Dum did fine long term
VardaValar1: Apparently very well indeed!
ArPharazonV: it did indeed
Oessala: But anything int he east would be under Sauron's control for sure?
ArPharazonV: Sauron? not in the Fourth Age, I'd think :-)
VardaValar1: In the Fourth Age, no
ArPharazonV: but other servants of Morgoth, perhaps
VardaValar1: The Blue Wizards might have affected men with their cults.
ArPharazonV: if you recall from last week.. still a Balrog running around ;-)
VardaValar1: We are thinking there is one Balrog left, aye. : )
Oessala: Well, I'm talking about how they would be in the Fourth they would have been under his control?
Lokiey1054: I was just going to say the fight where the balrog was
VardaValar1: Sauron was no longer present.
ArPharazonV: Sauron was reduced to a poltergeist at most ;-)
VardaValar1: You are talking about during the time of the Reunited Kingdom under Aragorn, right?
VardaValar1: Orodreth, what time period in the Fourth Age?
Oessala: Shortly after the fall of Sauron.
VardaValar1: *Running upstairs for books*
VardaValar1: Ok, that will be mostly speculation. We'll try it. : )
Oessala: So I'm looking for what sort of contidtion the Dwarves to the East would be in
Oessala: Did Sauron's domain extend indefinatly to the east and north?
ArPharazonV: thing is, we have no idea what has been going on in the East... there's also forces of good in the area, who may have accomplished things
ArPharazonV: indeed, several houses of Dwarves, but also Avari and Men who remained in the East, and may have fought on the good side
ArPharazonV: and it's still unknown what actually the Blue Wizards did: did they start dark cults of their own, or did they work to disrupt the Eastern armies, thus diminishing and delaying at least some of Sauron's forces in the end?
VardaValar1: The Blue Wizards: each had his own cult.
VardaValar1: *dropped books* afk a bit : )
ArPharazonV: according to some stories, yes, according to others they did the latter :-)
ArPharazonV: and no "cult" is necessary evil... did not Christianity start out as one? ;-)
ArPharazonV: *necessarily
ArPharazonV: so maybe their cults actually worked to free men from the control of Sauron
ArPharazonV: ...hey, it's a possibility
Oessala: In other news, the moon is in fact made of cheese! :p
Lokiey1054: and not swiss
VardaValar1: boy : )
ArPharazonV: if the moon was made of cheese, I want to see what happens when a meteor hits it...
Lokiey1054: are you guys talking about Khazad-d�m n the 4th age...
ArPharazonV: talking about dwarven houses in the East now
ArPharazonV: in the 4th age
oladys 123: back
VardaValar1: Welcome back
oladys 123: thank you
ArPharazonV: welcome back!
oladys 123: : )
VardaValar1: Loki has been reading up on the Durins lately : )
oladys 123: May I ask a question?
VardaValar1: Fire
oladys 123: I am not sure where to find a reference to blue wizards as a cult... I was under the impression, reading the book, that there is only one rep present
oladys 123: one brown, one grey, one white...
ArPharazonV: and 2 blue
VardaValar1: In LotR it doesn't go into detail as it does not impact that plot.
ArPharazonV: in fact, don't think those 2 are actually mentioned in LotR
ArPharazonV: there's 1 reference to the rods of the five wizards, but nothing more
oladys 123: the brown one was Rada something argh... memory fails me, the one with the birds
ArPharazonV: radagast
oladys 123: exactly... there was a forth one... which colour was he wearing?
ArPharazonV: there were 2 more, both blue
ArPharazonV: while the other 3 remained in the west, the 2 blue wizards travelled to the east
Lokiey1054: there was five wizards getting the names now
Eonwe Valar: You can find more on them in Unfinished Tales, and some also in the History of Middle-Earth series.
ArPharazonV: in fact, Saruman went to the East as well, but came back :-)
oladys 123: ah! Therefore you think the colour corresponds to a cult... I thought to a level of expertise, like the black belt
Eonwe Valar: no
Lokiey1054: Valinor were Alatar and Pallando, and they are Maiar of the Valar Orom�
oladys 123: I know what Saruman did... and I know that Gandalf is a Maiar
Eonwe Valar: In Unfinished Tales it says Tolkien had "theorized" that they went into the East, and failed in their mission, forming cults.
oladys 123: and there was the assumption that a Maiar could be an Angel second class
Lokiey1054: An alternate set of names are given � Morinehtar and R�mest�mo as well
oladys 123: I'm impressed, I wouldn't know that by heart
oladys 123: I'd look it up
ArPharazonV: *grabs a Silmarillion and an Unfinished Tales*
ArPharazonV: *puts it in to oladys' hands*
ArPharazonV: btw, who are you?
oladys 123: good question
Eonwe Valar: I also recall a spot in HoME where Morinehtar aka Alatar (at least) of the Blue Wizards did not fail in his mission.
oladys 123: turn it around, what do you want to know from me?
Eonwe Valar: btw, back :}
oladys 123: wb
ArPharazonV: are you in the Valarguild, or a guest? if the former, what's your valarguild-name?
oladys 123: guest
VardaValar1: We have two guests
ArPharazonV: ahh
VardaValar1: oladys and Lokiey
ArPharazonV: that makes a lot more sense now
VardaValar1: : )
oladys 123: my apologies for having sneaked up on you
ArPharazonV: no problem, just curious :-)
VardaValar1: I should have introduced you two. My pardon : )
Lokiey1054: I just havnet found anyone as fascinated as i am with Middle earth till now
oladys 123: yeah and I am stumbling right through the door
oladys 123: I read it the first time 30 years ago, anyone can beat that?
VardaValar1: I've been in side windows too much, sorry. Phar seemed to be taking care of you : )
ArPharazonV: as I'm 21 years old myself, I cannot ;-)
VardaValar1: yes *cough*
Lokiey1054: Um close about 28
Lokiey1054: im 34
oladys 123: oh my god, 21? my son is 19
ArPharazonV: started reading Tolkien at 6? very impressive
VardaValar1: Melkor passed 63 some years back
VardaValar1: A number of us are in our 50's
Lokiey1054: tolkien was axtually a required reading epecially the Hobbit here
ArPharazonV: heh
oladys 123: I am 50
Star of Phaet: where's here? :-)
Lokiey1054: I can not spell today
Lokiey1054: Here is New york
oladys 123: I never can spell
oladys 123: well I can spell but not type
VardaValar1: I have to do family stuff for a few minutes, will be back and scroll : )
VardaValar1: LotR was a cult book in my time ;-)
oladys 123: yeah leave me alone
oladys 123: opps
ArPharazonV: got a stalker?
oladys 123: without the intonation a bit off lol
FladrifV: *walks slowely around sunken in deep thoughts*
ArPharazonV: hey Flad, welcome back
Lokiey1054: who Im really fascinated with is Aegnor: The fourth son of Finarfin, Bragollach. The name means 'Fell fire'
Star of Phaet: there are lots of people in the same boat, oladys. spelling's one thing, but typing is something else completely : )
oladys 123: *nods*
FladrifV: hello arpharazon
ArPharazonV: *pokes Flad* you awake?
FladrifV: *re opens one eye* uh ho oh boom hum what?
Star of Phaet: hehe. I think that's a no, Phara ;-)
ArPharazonV: hehe
oladys 123: Oh is Flad a he-ent or a she-ent?
ArPharazonV: that's the problem with those old treeish ents... they never seem to actually wake up
ArPharazonV: a he-ent
FladrifV: who did mention there female ents?
oladys 123: *hudes*
FladrifV: where did you see them?? *fuly awake now*
oladys 123: hiiiides
oladys 123: *uhm*
FladrifV: only one subject younge one
ArPharazonV: look, Flad, behind that mountain over there!
FladrifV: *starts to move faster*
oladys 123: If I were a she-ent, I'd stay in hobbitan
FladrifV: many told us that *looks sad in the distance*
oladys 123: well if you start walking you should be there in 2000 years
ArPharazonV: well, it was a good try... figured you needed the exercise of running
Star of Phaet: the Hobbitses have them
FladrifV: *waves fearsome with his branches towards arphar* and with a deep voice* NEVER misuse this arphara!
ArPharazonV: *hides on his ship*
Menelvagor Valar has entered the room.
Menelvagor Valar: Aiya.
ArPharazonV: hey
FladrifV: *nods*
Star of Phaet: careful, Fladrif's on a rampage, may want to duck ;-)
FladrifV: where did that little person called arpharazon hide?
Eonwe Valar: or step back 2 inches :}
ArPharazonV: I'm on my ship, sailing away to far away places!
ArPharazonV: like an island called Valinor... should be able to find refuge there, surely!
VardaValar1: back. Scrolling
Eonwe Valar: Oh surely,.. just sail right towards these islands with all the mist about them....
Menelvagor Valar: I see you Phar.
FladrifV: *walks sad back to his hill*
ArPharazonV: *looks up into the skies* *waves* Hi Menel!
ArPharazonV: hmm... fog coming up
Menelvagor Valar: My sight pierces the densest fog.
ArPharazonV: mine doesn't, I can't see you anymore
oladys 123: what happens to all the holes in the fog?
VardaValar1: hmm, seems to have gotten off the dwarves in the 4th age : )
FladrifV: *asks mennel wether he can see a branch or root of an ent wife*
ArPharazonV: hmm... an island... it seems to be calling me... I feel... sleepy....
ArPharazonV: bright light in the tunnel....
oladys 123: through the pierced in holes?
ArPharazonV: lo, a star in the distance! It must be Earendel, my ancestor!
ArPharazonV: surely he will guide me through this fog!
oladys 123: *can't see a thing*
VardaValar1: The world may be ripped if you come too close, Phar : )
VardaValar1: You have this hostile look
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ArPharazonV: ahh, I'm past the fog now... island in sight
ArPharazonV: seems to be occupied by... Elves?
Menelvagor Valar: Sorry Fladrif, but you trees mostly look alike to me.
FladrifV: you....cant see the difference?
Menelvagor Valar: sure, I can see the difference between an oak and a birch, but you ents mostly look alike.
Menelvagor Valar: or well... hard to tell apart from the other trees.
FladrifV: we...move
FladrifV: although...not much I must admid these days
ArPharazonV: "To sheep other sheep no doubt appear different. Or to shepherds. But Trees have not been our study. We have other business."
Menelvagor Valar: Although your business seems rather odd, Pharazon.
FladrifV: *shakes his head*
ArPharazonV: my business?
Eonwe Valar: Problem is, it's said the Elves woke the first trees up, and so trees must've been their study :}
Menelvagor Valar: Maybe I should send a ray towrds Varda and let her know what you be up to.
VardaValar1: Orodreth, also check our Encyc for info
FladrifV: ((side question who is older the elf or the ent?))
VardaValar1: We can also toss some more articles that direction
VardaValar1: Elves woke trees as they liked to talk with them, and are called the Firstborn, but
VardaValar1: the Shepherds of the Trees: Fangorn was called Eldest
Eonwe Valar: The typical question is between the Fangorn and Tom Bombadil :} Both claim to be Eldest :}
ArPharazonV: Lo, past this island of Eressea, there lies another continent! Barred by great mountains but a single pass, in which lies a hill with a great city!
oladys 123: Tom is no elf is he ?
VardaValar1: No, Tom is not an elf : )
FladrifV: tom is not part of the world isnt he?
ArPharazonV: could this be Valinor, what I have sought after?
VardaValar1: Tom should not be counted, if he is a Maia
ArPharazonV: but yeah, ents were there before Elves I think...
ArPharazonV: didn't Yavanna wake them up before the Elves were awakened?
FladrifV: dont be sure of a friendly welcome arphar!
VardaValar1: Yavanna was worried about the beings who would use wood a great deal, such as humans and especially dwarves.
ArPharazonV: pch, I don't listen to trees, I'm the great King of Numenore!
VardaValar1: She may not have been so concerned over the elves' treatment of the forest. : )
FladrifV: soon without a head
VardaValar1: hehe
Eonwe Valar: You don't listen to emmisaries of the Valar either, but for some reason you listen closely to your jailcrow Sauron :}
ArPharazonV: well yeah, but Sauron only tells me what I want to hear, so...
Eonwe Valar: I'm so glad Namo isn't that easily won over :}
ArPharazonV: and whatever false Gods might reside on Valinor, they shall bow to me or crumble before my might!
ArPharazonV: *calls in his fleet*
Eonwe Valar: Hmm, I think I'll save Eru the trouble of punishing Phar. *Destroys World and Morgoth with it* Problem solved :}
FladrifV: lol
ArPharazonV: hehe
FladrifV: uhm wasnt he already outside the world then?
Eonwe Valar: I dragged him back in to speed things up :}
FladrifV: roflol
VardaValar1: ahh, peace and quiet amongst the stars... some new dust?
oladys 123: sorry guys, I have to leave
VardaValar1: Namarie
ArPharazonV: hmm... the world quaking... suddenly the shores of Valinor don't feel too secure under my feet
ArPharazonV: Namarie!
Eonwe Valar: Take care :}
FladrifV: Namarie
oladys 123: thank you for allowing me to listen : )
oladys 123: bye
Eonwe Valar: Fare thee well :}
ArPharazonV: hmm... something's wrong here... Valinor shaking... return to the ships!
ArPharazonV: *turns around* *sees a great tidal wave consume his fleet*
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FladrifV: no shore is stable anymore arp
ArPharazonV: quick! hide in the city up that hill!
Eonwe Valar: Nowhere is safe when Fionw� goes on the rampage :}
VardaValar1: But now Eru is going to make us Sing it all over again!
ArPharazonV: *goes into a frenzy* *gets tranq-shotted*
Eonwe Valar: Oh yeah,.. hmmm. *starts pasting paper stars and planets up in the Void to avoid working to put it all back together*
Eonwe Valar: See, now Eru won't notice I wiped it all out :}
ArPharazonV: Egads! The mountains are coming down!
FladrifV: *roots his roots* I wont come of this hill what ever happens
ArPharazonV: we must make haste to the city of the Gods! If there's anywhere kept safe from their wrath, it must be their beloved home?
FladrifV: the gates will have a bitter answer for arphar
FladrifV: &so spoken he closes his eyes*
FladrifV: namarie all
ArPharazonV: Namarie, Fladrif
Eonwe Valar: See how fast Pharazon is converted? A minute ago: "ArPharazonV: and whatever false Gods might reside on Valinor, they shall bow to me or crumble before my might!
ArPharazonV: well, that was before you started to destroy the world!
Eonwe Valar: Now: "ArPharazonV: we must make haste to the city of the Gods! If there's anywhere kept safe from their wrath, it must be their beloved home?"
FladrifV: hehe
Eonwe Valar: Why not cry to Morgoth to help you out? Oh, that's right, I destroyed him too! :}
FladrifV: no you moved him...
FladrifV: he will gain power because in nothingness we all are afterwards
ArPharazonV: *perishes in a dying world* tell my wife... I... lo..aargh! *gets buried under the remains of Valmar*
Eonwe Valar: Nope, story says I destroy the World to destroy him, so he's gone too :}
FladrifV: *dives in the rule book(
Eonwe Valar: And this way, Urwendi doesn't doesn't get caught by Morgoth! Win-win situation :}
ArPharazonV: doesn't Urwendi get destroyed too?
FladrifV: side effect
Eonwe Valar: Although, she's probably not happy about the whole end of existence thing...
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Eonwe Valar: Urwendi's an Ainu. At worse I destroyed her expensive car (The Sun) :}
ArPharazonV: well... so's Morgoth ;-)
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Eonwe Valar: Well, I'm just going by the rulebook, and it says I take Morgoth out, so take it up with Eru :}
Eonwe Valar: Actually, no, don't take it up with him, because then he'll know I took out Ea... :}
ArPharazonV: I will, then! And I'll sue you for destroying my island!
ArPharazonV: and my fleet!
ArPharazonV: and me!
Eonwe Valar: Hmm, how about I give you this *hands Pharazon a paper planet* all better now?
ArPharazonV: hmm... ok
ArPharazonV: *walks away happy* I'm King of the World!
VardaValar1: Takes so little to amuse and please these mortals, Eonwe. : )
Lokiey1054: G'nite all great meeting you....
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Eonwe Valar: Now if we'd given Pharazono a paper planet in the first place, we could've saved our nice flat world :}
Eonwe Valar: Manw� never listens to me though :}
ArPharazonV: probably not, back then there was an actual world to conquer
VardaValar1: It would've been easier to go back and forth.
ArPharazonV: now, the paper one's the next best thing!
VardaValar1: Manwe watches you. I listen. ; )
Eonwe Valar: :}
Eonwe Valar: Oh, then I guess I have alot of explaining to do... :}
VardaValar1: No. We heard and saw it all.
VardaValar1: We are hoping to Sing it aright!
Eonwe Valar: Oh, good, saves time that way :}
VardaValar1: Time for Arda Unmarred!
VardaValar1: Aye!
VardaValar1: Time...
VardaValar1: We know them. : )
VardaValar1: All three
ArPharazonV: hehe
Eonwe Valar: Though now that we're in eternity again, time is not an issue :}
ArPharazonV: day, month, and year!
Eonwe Valar: :}
VardaValar1: They want us to hurry up and make a new world where they have significance again.
VardaValar1: But how does one hurry in a state of no time? : )
Eonwe Valar: :}
VardaValar1: A game computer just freed up!
VardaValar1: Rebuilding the world will have to wait!
VardaValar1: Or no...
ArPharazonV: *hides in a corner* hmm... if I'm quiet, maybe I can sneak onto this new world..
VardaValar1: song of elation is already working. :: )
Eonwe Valar: Let's make sure this time we don't have any smart-alecs trying to write their own song in the middle of rehearsal :}
VardaValar1: Phar will have to be completely remade from toe to crown.
ArPharazonV: *gets into a maia-custome* let's sing!
VardaValar1: Morgoth is supposed to know better now. Or we can use that gag.
VardaValar1: What an awful Maia costume that Numenorean has! We'll have to remake it too!
ArPharazonV: eep!
Eonwe Valar: Once you destroy existence to take out a guy, you never quite trust him again... :}
VardaValar1: hehe
VardaValar1: The real question is, will Urwendi still talk to you? : )
Eonwe Valar: I hope so :}
ArPharazonV: it's not me! Look at me! Do I look like a mortal? I'm just an anonimous Maia!
Eonwe Valar: I'll buy her some flow--- er, choc-... hmm, w ith nothing in existence, this'll be harder than I thought...
VardaValar1: No Maiar are anonymous. You must be an imposter. Who looks suspiciously like Phar...
VardaValar1: We'd better start singing up the courtship stuff.
Eonwe Valar: I'll reinvent the sonnet!
VardaValar1: I want Manwe to send chocolates too. With flowers.
VardaValar1: good plan
ArPharazonV: how about chocolate flowers?
Eonwe Valar: Yeah, let's have some of them growing in Aman this time around.
VardaValar1: Several. Some go on the shelf with leftover Helcaraxe ice.
VardaValar1: It's perfection. Have to have some!
Glorfindel VG has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar: WB Glorfindel :}
ArPharazonV: Welcome back!
VardaValar1: Welcome back Glorfindel : )
VardaValar1: We were pretty much done, but would be happy to chat
ArPharazonV: we're.. ehrm...
VardaValar1: We've been destroying and rebuilding the world. ; )
ArPharazonV: can you call it roleplaying?
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VardaValar1: Sure. We can always *call* it that. ;-)
Eonwe Valar: :}
Glorfindel VG: ;-)
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VardaValar1: The world is looking much better now, Eonwe.
Eonwe Valar: This is kinda what we do :}
VardaValar1: Welcome back Gilraen.
VardaValar1: Squash the world ten times like clay trying to get it right.
Eonwe Valar: Thanks. I didn't have any "atoms" so I've been using cookie dough and mints.
VardaValar1: Any world without elves gets tossed back for a rebuild.
VardaValar1: That's why it smells so good!
ArPharazonV: *sneaks to the new world* hmm... how long would it take to conquer this place
VardaValar1: Conquer chocolate?
Eonwe Valar: I'm sure to win the bake-off, but as for rebuilding Arda, I don't think Eru's going to accept this EA :}
VardaValar1: We will recognize him by acne and obesity?
VardaValar1: Oops.
VardaValar1: Phar is in it. What will he look like when we squash this one?
ArPharazonV: noo!
Eonwe Valar: *Traps Pharazon in rock candy*
ArPharazonV: *eats his way out*
VardaValar1: Good lure job, Eonwe.
VardaValar1: *Squashes world*
ArPharazonV: hmm... minty
Eonwe Valar: More like *Pharazon breaks his teeth trying to eat his way out* :}
VardaValar1: *turns in into atoms for easier use by Eonwe*
ArPharazonV: *dies*
VardaValar1: Toothless, fat, and with acne. He finally took Eru's gift instead. Smart.
VardaValar1: Now he can be one with us!
VardaValar1: Hi new and improved Pharfea!
ArPharazonV: oh, hi... you did a swell job again, didn't you?
VardaValar1: This has been the Pharphetched version of world-making.
ArPharazonV: don't you get tired of destroying worlds I want to conquer by now?
Eonwe Valar: We'll put Pharazon's Rock Candy prison deep in a mountain, and Aul� can move incase him in Mithril and move some Dwarves in there... Hmm somehow that doesn't sound like a good plan...
VardaValar1: hehe
VardaValar1: I'll let you rebuild the next one with whatever help you can find.
VardaValar1: I have to grab the gaming computer before one of those Vanyar do!
VardaValar1: They are all over the mountain.
Eonwe Valar: Get going :}
ArPharazonV: well, let me get help from my trusty advisor then!
VardaValar1: Namarie!
ArPharazonV: ..wait, where is Sauron anyway?
Eonwe Valar: Take care :}
ArPharazonV: what did you do to my advisor!
VardaValar1: At work... Hmm. Sounds bad.
ArPharazonV: Namarie, Varda!
VardaValar1: Have fun. : )
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Eonwe Valar: Sauron's floating around as powerless as ever :}
Eonwe Valar: He hasn't been the same since the "incident" :}
ArPharazonV: hmm
Glorfindel VG: hehe
ArPharazonV: I'll have to build a new world myself then!
ArPharazonV: any idea out of what?
ArPharazonV: oh, of course... music... who wants to sing?
Eonwe Valar: Here, I'll give you this glitter.
ArPharazonV: ooh, sparkly
Glorfindel VG: Know anything about sSalvia Divinorum?
Eonwe Valar: Doesn't sound familiar, Glorfindel.
Glorfindel VG: aye
Eonwe Valar: and here's some construction paper and glue as well, Phar.
ArPharazonV: Salvia divinorum is an extraordinary herb used in shamanism, divination, healing, meditation, and the exploration of consciousness.
ArPharazonV: It should always be used in a thoughtful, intelligent manner, and only by responsible adults that are of sound mind and clear intent.
Glorfindel VG: aye arpharazon
ArPharazonV: (go go search-engine)
ArPharazonV: is it like... a drug?
Eonwe Valar: One of those, eh?
Glorfindel VG: well
Glorfindel VG: It is for practicing meditation
Star of Phaet: *snatches glue and glitter while Phara is distracted*
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Glorfindel VG: I don't have have alot of experience with that
Glorfindel VG: Takes you deep into your soul
Glorfindel VG: It is a very powerful herb
ArPharazonV: eep! my world-material! *chases*
Star of Phaet: *runs*
Glorfindel VG: You've tried it Arpharazon?
Eonwe Valar: You two share or neither of you will get to help create existence :}
ArPharazonV: aww
Star of Phaet: but...
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Star of Phaet: *sigh*
ArPharazonV: *frowns at Gilraen*
Eonwe Valar: Now get along or no more bites from my cookie-mint planet.
ArPharazonV: *puppy-eyes* will you share?
Star of Phaet: *sighs again, but passes some of the glitter and glue to Phara*
ArPharazonV: *hugs Gilraen*
ArPharazonV: *starts making stars with the glue and glitter*
Eonwe Valar: That's better.
Star of Phaet: Oooh, stars!
Orodreth V: Do I want to know what's going on?
Star of Phaet: *gets out crayons*
ArPharazonV: we're building the third Arda!
Eonwe Valar: I punished Phar by Destroying Morgoth and all of existence :}
Star of Phaet: we're making a shiny Arda
Star of Phaet: with glue and glitter and coloured paper
ArPharazonV: and then they made a world of chocolate, but I wanted to take that over as well, so they squashed me
Star of Phaet: *nods*
ArPharazonV: yes, shiny and sparkly!
Star of Phaet: and pink
Star of Phaet: yes
ArPharazonV: I want gold too!
Star of Phaet: ... okay
Star of Phaet: pink and gold
Eonwe Valar: You want some construction paper and glitter to help, Orodreth? :}
ArPharazonV: yay!
Star of Phaet: *draws a big circle on the paper with a pink crayon*
ArPharazonV: *draws a circle of gold just inside the circle of pink, along its edge*
ArPharazonV: that's a good world!
Star of Phaet: it's shiny!
ArPharazonV: *throws a few glitters on the world*
Eonwe Valar: This way, we Valar don't have to sing it back into existence :} Too much work to do that :}
Star of Phaet: *big shiny eyes in Eonwe's direction* isn't it pretty?
Eonwe Valar: Aye, Gilraen, it's very pretty :}
Star of Phaet: *nods*
Star of Phaet: *sprinkles glitter on Phara*
ArPharazonV: *sneezes from the glitter in his nose*
Star of Phaet: *snicker*
ArPharazonV: *throws some glitter on Gilraen*
Eonwe Valar: Now now, glitter goes on paper, not on people.
Star of Phaet: *pats Phara on the back*
ArPharazonV: *throws some glitter on Eonwe*
Glorfindel VG: Any of you shop on ebay?
ArPharazonV: don't be a mister grumpyhead!
Star of Phaet: *hands Phara the pink glitter*
Eonwe Valar: Not I, Glorfindel.
Star of Phaet: (I do, occasionally)
ArPharazonV: ..nope
Star of Phaet: (when not making worlds form pink glitter)
Star of Phaet: *from, even
Glorfindel VG: Im listing a box of bubblegum cigarettes in there to see if they sell ;-)
Glorfindel VG: lol
ArPharazonV: haha
Star of Phaet: lol
Glorfindel VG: dont really know much about ebay though
Eonwe Valar: They still make those?
ArPharazonV: you're not the only one, it seems
Star of Phaet: you'll find almost anything on ebay :-\
ArPharazonV: mdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting
ArPharazonV: funky
Glorfindel VG: They are rare Eonwe, but can still be found
Glorfindel VG: in nostalgic shops and things
Eonwe Valar: ah
Glorfindel VG: and ebay
Glorfindel VG: cinnamon toothpicks, wax candy lips, candy cigarettes... you name it
Glorfindel VG: hehe
Glorfindel VG: That balrog is pretty cool
Glorfindel VG: I think (though I'm not sure) that Ralph Bakshi was selling autographed animation cells from his lotr
Glorfindel VG: on ebay
ArPharazonV: ohosting
Eonwe Valar: Wouldn't be surprised. That was a horrid version and likely made little money past its first week debut.
Glorfindel VG: Relatively horrid perhaps
Glorfindel VG: but I enjoyed it the first time I saw it
Glorfindel VG: I don't know.. the music and the drawings set the mood pretty well I think
Glorfindel VG: They just cut corners like crazy
Glorfindel VG: you can tell throughout the whole movie that it is very rushed
Glorfindel VG: and unfinished
Eonwe Valar: Sam was drawn horribly, "Aruman" was annoying to hear, and a few other things that I can't remmeber since it's been too long.
Glorfindel VG: they did all call him aruman for some reason didnt they
Glorfindel VG: haha
Eonwe Valar: The most amusing thing about that version is from an orc: "Breakfast at Isengard. Ack! Ack!"
ArPharazonV: wasn't "Aruman" dressed in red?
Glorfindel VG: yes
Glorfindel VG: but I liked how they did the hobbits with the exception of sam
Glorfindel VG: gave sam no dignity
Eonwe Valar: I don't recall it ever being daylight in that version either.
Glorfindel VG: aye
Eonwe Valar: The Rankin-Bass versions are superior in my opinion.
Eonwe Valar: Not perfect either, but superior to Ralph Bakshi's.
Glorfindel VG: Ralph bakshi had a darker mood to his
Glorfindel VG: I think it helped the feel of the movie
Glorfindel VG: I did like the songs from the rankin bass
Eonwe Valar: I got the mood just fine from the Rankin-Bass versions.
Glorfindel VG: those were enjoyable
Glorfindel VG: but seemed more like it was aimed for small children i think
Eonwe Valar: And aye, the songs from the Rankin-Bass were good.
Glorfindel VG: It was ridiculous how bakshi ended after the battle at helms deep
Glorfindel VG: "and evil was driven forever from middle earth"
Glorfindel VG: then it ended
Eonwe Valar: *shudder*
Glorfindel VG: haha
Glorfindel VG: and boromir looked more like a ranger than anyone
Glorfindel VG: or more like a viking
Glorfindel VG: haha
ArPharazonV: ...without pants
Glorfindel VG: aye
Glorfindel VG: haha
ArPharazonV: there used to be a live journal on the web with screenshots and comments
ArPharazonV: I've found the journal, with comments... too bad the shots were removed
Glorfindel VG: comparing?
Glorfindel VG: or just bakshi version?
ArPharazonV: just bakshi
Glorfindel VG: I hope people werent TOO hard on it
ArPharazonV: it was so funny... but not the same without the pictures
Glorfindel VG: Nice
ArPharazonV: can still find the comments... but have to imagine the pictures with it
ArPharazonV: and if you search a searchengine for monkeycrackmary and bakshi now...
ArPharazonV: you'll find nothing but our own valarguildmeeting archive :-)
ArPharazonV: March 7, 2004
ArPharazonV: wow, that was 2 and a half years ago
ArPharazonV: time goes by so fast!
Eonwe Valar: What'd we say on March 7th, 2004? :}
ArPharazonV: Eonwe Valar(4:55:07 PM): There are new items on the WoW page bewsides movies :}ArPharazonV(4:55:15 PM): transportations and mounts!
ArPharazonV: ... oh, the memories.. when we were looking for news about WoW
ArPharazonV: oh, apparently, that was Oscar night
ArPharazonV: Return of the King winning 11!
Eonwe Valar: Ah
ArPharazonV: UlfangV(5:10:29 PM): "gondor needs no pants!"
ArPharazonV: (about the bakshi journal)
Glorfindel VG: lolol
ArPharazonV: still funny ;-)
Glorfindel VG: "gondor has no pants! gondor needs no pants!"
Eonwe Valar: hehe
ArPharazonV: heh... about Return of the King...
ArPharazonV: ArPharazonV(5:26:28 PM): only seen it onceBookMaster JMV(5:26:39 PM): o,o
ArPharazonV: BookMaster JMV(5:26:41 PM): Only once?ArPharazonV(5:26:44 PM): gonna watch the dvd 10 times as muchArPharazonV(5:27:04 PM): at least
ArPharazonV: that was 2 and a half years ago..
ArPharazonV: still haven't watched it 10 times ;-)
Eonwe Valar: Shame :}
ArPharazonV: oh, and this is very interesting, in the end of the transcript:
Eonwe Valar: You've had 2 and a half years to reach your goal :}
ArPharazonV: ArathornValar(7:48:47 PM): hmm... so what do you think re Elvondel?ArathornValar(7:48:52 PM): still here?Orodreth V(7:49:02 PM): What about it?
ArPharazonV: ArathornValar(7:50:36 PM): just wondering if there's anything new...ArathornValar(7:50:46 PM): regarding development
ArPharazonV: Orodreth V(7:52:15 PM): Heh.Orodreth V(7:52:19 PM): Nothing new.Orodreth V(7:52:49 PM): I don't even have it on my comp right now.Orodreth V(7:52:57 PM): It's on hold until we get new blood.
ArPharazonV: that was, again, 2 and a half years ago!
Eonwe Valar: So we've come full circle? :}
ArPharazonV: *grin*

Glorfindel VG: Hmm I just got an email that says I won the National Lottery..
ArPharazonV: haha
ArPharazonV: I've had hundreds of those
Glorfindel VG: Really?
ArPharazonV: if they were real, I'd be the richest man on earth
Glorfindel VG: What's the point?
ArPharazonV: not sure
ArPharazonV: something about giving bankaccount number and personal data and all that
Glorfindel VG: Probably trying to get a bank account or something
Glorfindel VG: aye
Star of Phaet: I'd think so
Star of Phaet: if I had a pound for every time I got an email telling me I'd won something.... *sigh*
Glorfindel VG: Poor shame to someone who falls for it unsuspecting
Eonwe Valar: They're hoaxes. They want your info.
ArPharazonV: I've often won the international sweepstake, apparently
Eonwe Valar: You're not the only one it would seem.
ArPharazonV: never signed up for anything, but apparently, my email-address wins quite often!
Glorfindel VG: About 2 months ago, someone got a virus into my computer and hijacked our server
Glorfindel VG: to send his spam all over the world
Glorfindel VG: Millions a day
Glorfindel VG: and my isp shut us down
Glorfindel VG: thats why i havnt been on in quite a while
Glorfindel VG: no joke
ArPharazonV: well, that sucks
Eonwe Valar: Sorry to hear that Glorfindel.
ArPharazonV: ...excuse the language
Eonwe Valar: Glad you got it straightened out though.
Glorfindel VG: apparently he is one of the worlds most wanted spammers
Glorfindel VG: named Robert Soloway
Glorfindel VG: thank you
Eonwe Valar: Hope they find him.
Glorfindel VG: Me too
Glorfindel VG: I believe microsoft sued him already
Glorfindel VG: but he deserves to go to prison
Glorfindel VG: but instead hes just rich
Star of Phaet: that's awful
Glorfindel VG: Yeah, it's a shame that some people are like that
Glorfindel VG: and greed can control your life
Glorfindel VG: No matter who you end up hurting
Glorfindel VG: But I'm just glad its all over
ArPharazonV: indeed
Glorfindel VG: even though it ended up costing thousands of dollars
Glorfindel VG: to fix the problem
Eonwe Valar: Reading that Mar 7th 2004 Transcript :} Good point about Frodo's Mithril Shirt and Shelob's sting was made :}
ArPharazonV: :-)
Menelvagor Valar has left the room.
[Note from ArPharazon: I think the room crashed in the end, but I was able to save while it was crashed anyway]