September 10, 2006 Meeting
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Transcript work by: Ar-Pharazon-(V)
To be collected later :)
Announcement by Gwaihir
and Gilraen for the whole guild! :)
LotRO Beta: Thranduil has been
accepted! Check your email!
Fall of Gondolin and Balrogs
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Arwen V1: yay!
FladrifV: ((sorry in guild meeting))
FladrifV: woops I rp too much
ArPharazonV: completely forgot, I'll be right there
Eonwe Valar: Heya
VardaValar1 has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya :-)
Eonwe Valar: Heya
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Bior the Ythling: Aiya
mordacil has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Mae govannen :-)
FinduilasV: Aiya and Mae Govannen :-)
VardaValar1: Welcome to this meeting of the Valar Guild : )
ArPharazonV: be right there, just getting my corpse and logging out
sila lumenn' omentielvo
ArPharazonV: Ossirian killed us a little bit
VardaValar1: Good luck with that, Phar!
VardaValar1: Membership News:
VardaValar1: Congratulations to Gilraen and Gwaihir on their
marriage, honeymoon, and yet still making it over here to see us. : )
ArPharazonV: ok, I'm here
VardaValar1: Does anyone have any membership news they would like to
ArPharazonV: and congrats to them!
ArPharazonV: school starting again, so I'll be leaving early, and
probably earlier for the next few months...
ArPharazonV: but no other membernews from me
VardaValar1: Okies. I think we'd all like to cut down on meeting length
Oessala has entered the room.
Orodreth V has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Heya Orodreth :-)
GilraenV: Thanks, Varda
FinduilasV: Aiya Orodreth :-)
Oessala: If I'm awake don't remind me. Did I miss the meeting again?
VardaValar1: Some scouting going on in Uldaman. I think also on Argent
ArPharazonV: just starting, Oro
VardaValar1: Several likely
FinduilasV: Yes , i did some scouting on Argent Dawn and at work
VardaValar1: Ah good luck with that!
VardaValar1: Tolkien Site:
VardaValar1: "To See a World" by Nightwing has 43 chapters up, so we
have caught up to her work.
VardaValar1: Turgon-(V) sent in a new drawing, of Ancalagon:
VardaValar1: Oh, back on the Stories
VardaValar1: we are having so many Aragorn and Legolas stories that I'd
like to know
VardaValar1: if you folks would like to give them their own section so
VardaValar1: the other types of stories aren't so swamped and hard to
VardaValar1: No problem? There's a problem?
Arwen V1: it sounds fine to me
GwaihirValar has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya Eagle : )
Arwen V1: as long as its helpful =)
Eonwe Valar: So nobody likes Gimli enough to write a story about him,
Eonwe Valar: :}
VardaValar1: He's often included, but not usually alone.
VardaValar1: Anyone here like to write one for just him? : )
VardaValar1: More good news, Arwen-(V)
seems able to stay in the room with us today!
Eonwe Valar: Yay :}
Arwen V1: yay! its cause I'm now at school, and despite the often
horridness of this network, I can go into aim chatrooms with it
VardaValar1: Elladan and Elrohir are a sub-genre of the Aragorn and
Legolas stories, so they would be included there probably.
VardaValar1: Yay Arwen! The one saving grace of that network!
VardaValar1: Also under Webwork,
VardaValar1: I was about to attempt to put up a Forum section for WoW Europe.
VardaValar1: I'd let Menelvagor and Finduilas figure what they want
VardaValar1: Comments? Halt and desist? Huzzah?
VardaValar1: Heh. Or maybe No comment?
Bior the Ythling: Huzzah. . ? :-)
VardaValar1: Huzzah cheer : )
VardaValar1: It could have the European guys from all over (generally
Argent Dawn) as well as the Valar branch there.
FinduilasV: I think when one of us has achieved something special
VardaValar1: Ok, guess I'll get with Fin and Menel about that later.
FinduilasV: or some guild events or some such
VardaValar1: So it's too soon? Doing nothing is easy enough, so it will
VardaValar1: Any further web news?
VardaValar1: Everyone's so busy with school, they have little time for
fun hobby essays, stories, poems, humor, art, languages, etc. Got it. :
VardaValar1: Who here has played a non-WoW
game this week?
VardaValar1: What was it, Phar? : )
ArPharazonV: Warcraft 3, with
some WoW friends :-)
Bior the Ythling: me too :-D
ArPharazonV: we went on a LAN with a certain program
VardaValar1: Both of you in The Frozen Throne?
Bior the Ythling: yes maam
ArPharazonV: called Hamachi
Bior the Ythling: sorry to leave early but i have to drive to baton
rouge i will be back on in around 1 hour
Bior the Ythling has left the room.
ArPharazonV: and much to my surprise, I defeated them with some cheap
blademaster tactics I was experimenting with... before they left to
join the evening raid
ArPharazonV: and besides that, I've also played a bit of Discworld, but
that's single player and thus not of much use to you
ArPharazonV: rest of the week was mostly WoW
mordacil has left the room.
ArPharazonV: and I don't think we've landed in that section yet :-)
VardaValar1: Orodreth is currently in Eve
VardaValar1: He also has a Well of
Souls report, possibly to be passed on by Eonwe
VardaValar1: Eonwe, go ahead. : )
Eonwe Valar: Orodreth says:
Eonwe Valar: "To help with Elvondel dosn't really mean you need to play
WoS (though that's a bonus). Post on the forums if you love m-I mean
want to help at all, even with vauge ideas."
Sarujil has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya Ancalagon : )
FinduilasV: Aiya, Ancalagon
ArPharazonV: avast! a dragon! *shoots a cannon from his ship*
Arwen V1: I played some multiplayer Civ4 this week, but not with any
Eonwe Valar: That reminds me: I finished BFME2 Good campaign.
VardaValar1: Thank Arwen. Now they know there's someone to play with. :
ArPharazonV: did ye like it, Eonwe?
Eonwe Valar: Don't know why it reminded me, but it did :}
ArPharazonV: got started on evil campaign yet?
Eonwe Valar: Eh, it was ok. I'll leave more comments for my review, and
no, I haven't started on evil yet.
Eonwe Valar: I don't imagine it'll be much different.
VardaValar1: That all the non-WoW gaming? : )
VardaValar1: If so, do we have a WoW
Europe report from Finduilas?
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ArPharazonV: hmm.... another gaming question...
ArPharazonV: does anyone still play BZFlag?
I think either Fladrif or Farmer Maggot had a seperate server for it
VardaValar1: Was that Arathorn?
ArPharazonV: not sure, but don't think so
ArPharazonV: was one of those 2
ArPharazonV: been playing a bit of it again for the past 2 weeks, but
it's hard to play in a field of pros, and I'd like to play/practice
against a few friends among the Valar again
FinduilasV: hold on Ar My report first?
ArPharazonV: oh, ok
FinduilasV: I drummed up Valandil and Fladrif actually ..
ArPharazonV: I think I've said what I wanted to say.. if you don't
remember, we can let it go for today :-)
VardaValar1: He was in the non-WoW seciton still
ArPharazonV: so go on with your report
VardaValar1: You found them? Cool : )
FinduilasV: Yes Fladrif and Valandil hunted some Dragons in Feralaf i
FinduilasV: Orophin will help my young Paladin to Shadowfang tomorrow
FinduilasV: so that should be some fun
FinduilasV: but i think with us five we are almoast all the full
members in WoW
FinduilasV: or is it six
FinduilasV: on Argent Dawn
ArPharazonV: let's see...
ArPharazonV: Menelvagor, of course
VardaValar1: Haven't run into Aragorn yet?
FinduilasV: there is a Aragoon somewhere but i dont know whether its him
ArPharazonV: not that I know of... sure he's on AD?
FinduilasV: apart from that i want no gnomes as being not tolkinesque
VardaValar1: Gnomes are like Halflings
ArPharazonV: aye, halflings! without the hairy feet
VardaValar1: We generally don't exclude any type
VardaValar1: We even have Undeads : )
FinduilasV: ahh good o mo chrach
VardaValar1: We exclude nothing : )
ArPharazonV: if I'm going to transfer all my alts to this guild, you'll
end up with 3 gnomes anyway ;-)
FinduilasV: done a few in of those man hihi
VardaValar1: And we take all levels
FinduilasV: good good, thats something
VardaValar1: Only the primary name has to be Tolkien, so we can tell
who is who.
VardaValar1: If the others are versions of the name, however far out,
ArPharazonV: *is ashamed* don't think I have any alts left with a
Tolkien name... except them all starting with Cal from Calion
VardaValar1: The guild roster note can be rigged with the primary name
first, to help find all alts.
ArPharazonV: Caliona's the closest, but I was going to keep her in THG
for raiding purposes later...
FinduilasV: You always can make new charas, I have a mage now , named
FinduilasV: shes lvl ten now
VardaValar1: Helps to add the profession after, as in Dragonscale
Leatherworker, Gnomish Engineer, but abbreviated.
VardaValar1: You can have ten characters on one server
ArPharazonV: I already have 8 characters, gonna make my ninth after the
expansion comes... not sure what I want to do with the 10th slot yet,
but I don't want to waste it without good preparation :-)
VardaValar1: So you have 5 accounts on the charter now?
FinduilasV: i ve got eight accounts
FinduilasV: five of us full members
FinduilasV: err six with me
VardaValar1: Must include you : )
ArPharazonV: so 2 of them not full members? I'm not sure what our
guild-policy is on that, though...
VardaValar1: We have to fix that : )
VardaValar1: She has a sort of pre-test to make sure they can become
ArPharazonV: oh, very nice
VardaValar1: She can't test them herself...yet
VardaValar1: We're working on that too : )
VardaValar1: Menel can do it though, same time zone sorta, or bring
them to AIM : )
ArPharazonV: ohh, Finduilas going for Maia-rank, eh? ;-)
VardaValar1: Yes : )
VardaValar1: Her move is getting a bit in the way of that, but I expect
it will happen : )
ArPharazonV: certainly shows potential!
VardaValar1: Eonwe, would you like to give your WoW report now?
FinduilasV: some point given time but it will happen
Eonwe Valar: Guild Questing:
Eonwe Valar: Lothar was down a
bit, so I popped over to Uldaman and played my Orc Hunter for a bit,
then tried Lothar again to find Varda, Fangorn, Merry, and Grimbold
fighting through the Sunken Temple to complete Grimbold's Hunter quest.
Eonwe Valar: I joined them just in time to help kill Morphaz and his
buddy. Grimbold had to go shortly after.
Eonwe Valar: After that, the four of us decided to complete "Into the
Depths" and "The Stone Circle."
Eonwe Valar: Dracxil/Beline joined us for a short bit before being
disconnected, but was there long enough to help us fight for the idol
of Hakkar in the middle of the water.
Eonwe Valar: The battle went well, so we decided to break down the
green barriers as well, and went after the 6 undead guys to accomplish
Eonwe Valar: Once they were down we went after the group of undead
behind the barrier, and then took a crack at Eranikus, bringing him
down and getting his essence.
Eonwe Valar: Varda's Priest reached 60 in the process(Congrats!), and
after leaving we found out we had to go back to put the essence in the
Eonwe Valar: Luck wasn't with us in keeping our instance open, so
Merry, Varda, and I did a quick 3-man back to Eranikus' chambers.
Fangorn had work the next day, so he couldn't stay after the battle
Eonwe Valar: And that concluded my report.
VardaValar1: Thank you, Eonwe : )
VardaValar1: Uldaman has had some low level questing in Ragefire Chasm
and Wailing Caverns, and some scouting that had some tests broken off
in the middle due to time problems.
VardaValar1: Tolkien topics anyone? : )
ArPharazonV: I still have some WoW
VardaValar1: Phar, go ahead. : )
ArPharazonV: proud to say that our raidgroup has killed Noth yesterday,
one of the bosses in Naxxramas, and our third
ArPharazonV: we'll be heading to Faerlina next
ArPharazonV: if you want to see it, we have a video of our Noth kill
VardaValar1: How did you make the video? And congrats! : )
ArPharazonV: in which I even have a somewhat noticeable role, as I'm in
the group of the filmer, and my head is visible in the topleft all time
ArPharazonV: it wasn't me, but another member of the raid
ArPharazonV: it's about 120 mb, but if you want to see it anyway, I'll
give you the link
LuthienV has left the room.
ArPharazonV: also, I've reached exalted with Nozdormu today, after
killing Rajaxx for the xxth time in the 20-man Ahn'qiraj instance
ArPharazonV: so I am now exalted with no less than 5 factions!
ArPharazonV: and that's my personal WoW news
ArPharazonV: go on with Tolkien!
VardaValar1: Phar, do you happen to have a topic? : )
ArPharazonV: this week I've been reading more about the Fall of Gondolin, so if I had a
topic, it would be related to that...
VardaValar1: Which book?
ArPharazonV: Book of Lost Tales
ArPharazonV: the detailed Fall of Gondolin :-)
ArPharazonV: we could... compare versions, or discuss details from the
ArPharazonV: but I'm not sure how many here have read the Lost Tales
VardaValar1: There are two books in that.
ArPharazonV: this was the second one
ArPharazonV: from Tinuviel to Earendil
ArPharazonV: if you haven't read it, you should... the most detailed
account of the Fall of Gondolin you'll ever find :-)
VardaValar1: It is not in complete agreement with the Sil version, but
is hugely helpful with figuring out a lot.
VardaValar1: The weirdest thing is by LotR, JRRT dropped the Balrogs to
having only been what was it, seven?
ArPharazonV: 7 at most
ArPharazonV: in the Lost Tales, there were hundreds
VardaValar1: And this was like one of the last ones surviving, in Moria.
ArPharazonV: and they were slain by the dozen in Gondolin
VardaValar1: And they seemed less powerful in BoLT
ArPharazonV: one could assume that years of slumber and waiting in the
deep pits of the world made that balrog quite a bit powerful
ArPharazonV: *a bit more
VardaValar1: We can mess with the story : )
ArPharazonV: but if there were actually only 7 in total, that story
doesn't have that much impact
VardaValar1: But the Balrogs were supposed to have been Maia attracted
to the power of the mightiest of the Valar, Melkor.
ArPharazonV: how many balrogs do we know, of those 7?
ArPharazonV: we know Ecthelion fought one in the fountain, Gothmog, the
ArPharazonV: we know one survived until Moria
ArPharazonV: we know Glorfindel fought one in the Eagles' Cleft
ArPharazonV: what of the rest?
ArPharazonV: are we to assume they all died in Gondolin, or is there
VardaValar1: In BoLT, there were many
ArPharazonV: yes, but these survived until the later story
Eonwe Valar: We know one who came up behind Fingon while Fingon fought
Gothmog, but that could be any of the 6 not including Gothmog.
VardaValar1: Remember that the Valar came, headed by Eonwe, along with
Earendil, and attacked Melkor and his servants.
VardaValar1: That could have done in most of them.
Eonwe Valar: What didn't die in GOndolin generally is said to have died
in the War of Wrath at the end of the First Age.
ArPharazonV: were there balrogs amongst them?
VardaValar1: The Balrog of Moria was a survivor of that fight, as I
ArPharazonV: it is said the soldiers of Turgon killed like 20 of them,
that could possibly be reduced to 1 or 2, or 0
ArPharazonV: and of course we don't know much of the heroism of Rog and
his house, but it was quite significant that they were the first to
ever slay a balrog
ArPharazonV: and I doubt that would have been removed
ArPharazonV: even though the information was gone in the summarized
version in the Silmarillion...
VardaValar1: JRRT had to abandon the BoLT storyline as it had so much
that conflicted later.
VardaValar1: It would be fun to try to make it work. : )
ArPharazonV: indeed :-)
VardaValar1: Could have several, like Rog and his house, taking out one
of the huge balrogs.
ArPharazonV: well, he still said 7, so that leaves a few open for
VardaValar1: Aye : )
ArPharazonV: is it actually said that there were balrogs in the War of
ArPharazonV: except the one who survived?
VardaValar1: I believe it did. But now I should reach for the books. : )
LuthienV has entered the room.
VardaValar1: You guys have your books too? : )
VardaValar1: Welcome back, Luthien : )
VardaValar1: We are digging around for Balrog info : )
VardaValar1: Balrogs at the War of Wrath
Eonwe Valar: "The Balrogs were destroyed, save some few that fled..."
ArPharazonV: "The Balrogs were destroyed, save some few that fled and
hid themselves in caverns inaccessible at the roots of the earth;"
ArPharazonV: (kind of makes one wonder how they accessed it in the
VardaValar1: Here's a cool bit from Letters of JRRT
VardaValar1: Thanks folks : )
VardaValar1: "some few..."
Eonwe Valar: The pits of Angband/Utumno were quite deep.
VardaValar1: We could bump into them again. : )
VardaValar1: Aye, Eonwe
Eonwe Valar: So deep that the first time the Valar did not unearth them
VardaValar1: Letters #144
VardaValar1: "They were supposed to have been all destroyed in the
overthrow of Thangorodrim
VardaValar1: but it is here found
LuthienV has left the room.
LuthienV has entered the room.
VardaValar1: (there is usually a hang-over especially of evil from one
age to another) that
VardaValar1: one had escaped and taken refuge under the mountains of
VardaValar1: It is observable that only the Elf knows what the thing is
- and doubtless Gandalf."
LuthienV has left the room.
VardaValar1: end quote
LuthienV has entered the room.
VardaValar1: That doesn't say there aren't more out there under other
LuthienV has left the room.
ArPharazonV: "one had escaped"
ArPharazonV: could put one on the wrong path of thinking
VardaValar1: It's just explaining the Moria balrog
VardaValar1: It's not about all of them, really
ArPharazonV: some few
ArPharazonV: 2? 3?
ArPharazonV: so the balrogs were destroyed, and some few escaped
ArPharazonV: that would imply at least 2 of each
ArPharazonV: we probably already have 3 or 4 dying in/around Gondolin
VardaValar1: few usually means about three. Ghastly thought. : )
ArPharazonV: that makes, 7, I'd say, although "few" truly ends up with
no more than 2
FinduilasV: so leaves one more besides rthe moria one
FinduilasV: and where might that turn up eh?
ArPharazonV: Rog and his house kill 1, Ecthelion kills Gothmog,
Glorfindel falls to his death with 1
VardaValar1: Let sleeping Balrogs lie?
FinduilasV: *girns wickedly*
ArPharazonV: 2 die in the War of Wrath, 2 escape
ArPharazonV: sound good?
VardaValar1: Aye, that sounds about right!
VardaValar1: We could make the others into extra-large Orcs : )
ArPharazonV: indeed :-)
VardaValar1: Note that the dragons were mechanical
VardaValar1: Oh, or trolls.
ArPharazonV: ooh, trolls, that sounds good
VardaValar1: Later the dragons are said to be living things, bred up.
ArPharazonV: with Glaurung as the "father"
VardaValar1: Turgon's kingdom had a mix of Noldorin and Sindarin elves.
VardaValar1: It was hard to tell which was which, since they mostly all
used Sindarin names, to go along with Thingol.
ArPharazonV: I also read something interesting in the BoLT, in the Fall
ArPharazonV: maybe connected to these noldorin/sindarin elves
ArPharazonV: it seems nobody could tell the meaning of Earendil's name,
but it was concluded that it must have come from some secret tongue the
Gondothlin used, and is now forgotten
ArPharazonV: could this language be some mix of Noldorin/Sindarin then?
VardaValar1: hehe - pidgin?
VardaValar1: In the back of the Sil
VardaValar1: it says the name means "Lover of the Sea"
ArPharazonV: is that so...
ArPharazonV: well, there goes that story-factor out the window, then
VardaValar1: 1981 Ballantine paperback
ArPharazonV: yes, I found it
ArPharazonV: mine's from 1999!
ArPharazonV: all mine come from Harper Collins
VardaValar1: I have another lying around but its upstairs. This one's
right by me
VardaValar1: Check the index for Earendil and see if it mentions the
ArPharazonV: it does
ArPharazonV: neglects to mention the language it came from, though
VardaValar1: True. heh, more digging : )
ArPharazonV: oh, there we go
ArPharazonV: in the appendix
ArPharazonV: �ar: 'sea' (Quenya) in E�rendil, ...
VardaValar1: "ear" sea in Quenya
ArPharazonV: so it's Quenya, or at least the first part is
VardaValar1: other is under "(n)dil"
ArPharazonV: but again, no language
VardaValar1: Implies devotion, disinterested love.
ArPharazonV: but by the names Elendil, Amandil, Mardil.. I'd say it's
FinduilasV: shame Valandil isnt here
VardaValar1: Earendil has a short form of Earnil, nice to know for
gaming too. : )
FinduilasV: he is fluent more or less in Quenya]
ArPharazonV: wasn't that one of the kings of Gondor?
Eonwe Valar: Earnil is a King of Gondor.
Eonwe Valar: Don't want to use that one as Earendil.
VardaValar1: Gondorians and some others were keen on using Quenya.
VardaValar1: Thingol didn't stop them. : )
VardaValar1: They also seemed to like to use Elf names, such as
Finduilas : )
ArPharazonV: as were the Numenoreans, at least in naming, for a long
Eonwe Valar: Thingol wasn't around to stop Gondor :}
VardaValar1: We have the elf Finduilas and we have Denethor's wife from
VardaValar1: Aye, Eonwe : )
ArPharazonV: I also like the name Silmarien :-)
VardaValar1: Gondorians were Numenoreans, so that's appropriate.
FladrifV: namarie all
ArPharazonV: Flad, wait!
Eonwe Valar: Take care Fladrif
ArPharazonV: do you still have the BZFlag
VardaValar1: What say we call it a night? : )
FladrifV: I fear it is 3 countrys away
ArPharazonV: ahh, ok
ArPharazonV: maybe another time then, when you're in the Netherlands
FladrifV: will be soon for short visit
VardaValar1: : )
VardaValar1: You two have fun!
ArPharazonV: bring that videocard!
ArPharazonV: and the 2 books I lent you ;-)
VardaValar1: and the lawn mower...
ArPharazonV: neh, that can stay ;-)
VardaValar1: Gives him an excuse!
Menelvagor Valar has entered the room.
Menelvagor Valar: Aiya
VardaValar1: Aiya Menel!
ArPharazonV: Menel! You're late!
FinduilasV: Aiya Vendui Menelvagor!
VardaValar1: Does he look terrible?
FinduilasV: Mae Govannen
VardaValar1: Good to see you, Menel : )
VardaValar1: We were just about to use the gavel : )
Menelvagor Valar: Sorry, I am ill and I was babysitting at friends :P
VardaValar1: Spreading disease by babysitting?
ArPharazonV: poor baby...
ArPharazonV: must be sick now too!
Menelvagor Valar: not really.
Menelvagor Valar: they were put to bed just as I arrived.
ArPharazonV: so you just have to watch that they don't come down? or
that the house doesn't catch fire or something?
Menelvagor Valar: just be there so someone is there in case of some
ArPharazonV: good point
Menelvagor Valar: and sick though I be, in an emergency I can run :-)
FinduilasV: ye feelihng alright though? Or shall i come and sand a
flash of ligntnig?
ArPharazonV: *sends over his dwarven priest* want me to cure ya?
Menelvagor Valar: Hehe, I was already hit by "Abolish Disease" on the
raid meeting this afternoon :)
Menelvagor Valar: what level be your priest, Pharzie?
ArPharazonV: 7? 8?
ArPharazonV: don't think he actually has abolish disease yet
VardaValar1: Try mine
ArPharazonV: my lvl 40 paladin can cleanse you though!
VardaValar1: I have bragging rights, Just hit 60 on my priest : )
ArPharazonV: congrats with that!
VardaValar1: First 60 priest in the
Valar Guild's Lothar or Uldaman branch : )
ArPharazonV: now go raid UBRS!
ArPharazonV: the Valar been in there yet?
VardaValar1: If you have, then yes. ;-)
ArPharazonV: the American Valar-branch been in there yet? ;-)
VardaValar1: Not as a branch
ArPharazonV: if you do, and find that darn book the Beast is supposed
VardaValar1: We have members who ran it
ArPharazonV: my address is Calaron, Darnassus, Argent Dawn, Europe!
Menelvagor Valar: Finkle's Skinner!
FladrifV has left the room.
VardaValar1: Valtocolindo (Bilbo) did the top boss, what is that
flaming guy's name, R...
Menelvagor Valar: General Drakkisath.
ArPharazonV: or do you mean Ragnaros in Molten Core?
Menelvagor Valar: Drops all tier 0 chestpieces.
VardaValar1: Yes, Ragnaros :-) Thanks.
Menelvagor Valar: ow...
Menelvagor Valar: he drops tier 2 stuff :P
VardaValar1: He killed him this morning : )
ArPharazonV: he drops tier 2 pants
ArPharazonV: still haven't got my tier 2 pants yet *sob*
Menelvagor Valar: Oh quit it Pharzie, you have almost complete tier 3 :P
ArPharazonV: no! I don't have a single tier 3 piece yet ;-)
ArPharazonV: I did get my Stormrage Cover though, this week
VardaValar1: But we need more people to get on at the same time to do
the upper stuff
Menelvagor Valar: blegh, do some more Naxx then.
ArPharazonV: so now I'm at 5 tier-2 pieces
ArPharazonV: just pants, shoulders and chestpiece to go
ArPharazonV: we killed Noth this week, Menel!
Menelvagor Valar: which is BWL mostly, right?
Menelvagor Valar: meh
Menelvagor Valar: Noth is easy!
ArPharazonV: pants Ragnaros, shoulders Chromaggus, chestpiece Nefarian
Menelvagor Valar: We killed Arlokk last sunday!
ArPharazonV: shoulders and chestpiece from BWL
VardaValar1: Oh, consider the gavel used just before Menel walked in .
Menelvagor Valar: end of meeting already? :D
ArPharazonV: Arlokk is a piece of cake!
Menelvagor Valar: how many times did you wipe before you got him?
ArPharazonV: movie of RSA killing Noth
ArPharazonV: Arlokk? no idea
ArPharazonV: think she was already dead when I started joining Zul
Menelvagor Valar: heh.
Menelvagor Valar: then again, you started doing Zul after most of BWL
was already being farmed.
ArPharazonV: true :-)
Menelvagor Valar: we just doing ZG.
ArPharazonV: how about AQ20? started there yet?
Menelvagor Valar: so our gear is slightly less uber than yours.
Menelvagor Valar: nope, and won't until we down Hakkar.
ArPharazonV: Kurinaxx isn't that hard ;-)
Menelvagor Valar: says an uber dr00d.
ArPharazonV: I've tanked him today, actually!
Menelvagor Valar: point.
ArPharazonV: but with a few good warriors you should be able to kill
him no problem
Menelvagor Valar: then again, we killed up to and not including Moam
with DSA / LotP a week or two back.
ArPharazonV: just make sure to have them taunt it off each other when
they ahve like 40% healing reduction debuff
ArPharazonV: and have your healers run away from sandtraps :-)
Menelvagor Valar: doh.
ArPharazonV: well, that's basically all there is to it
ArPharazonV: besides the debuff and the sandtraps, it's just plain zerg
ArPharazonV: now Rajaxx, the second boss...
ArPharazonV: that'll take some time ;-)
FinduilasV: ooh talking about which my characters always get feared
FinduilasV: usually sent in the midst of some atroucious company
FinduilasV: Finduilasse can hold himself a bit better than aiyata lol
ArPharazonV: Caliona's holding up qutie well, actually, I have a pet
that's nearing the durability of a warrior of the same level
ArPharazonV: add the ranged dps on that, and not much survives
ArPharazonV: not bad, for a lvl 15
VardaValar1: Priest can dispel magic to stop the Fear
VardaValar1: Dwarf priest has a Fear Ward for prevention
ArPharazonV: you can do a little early pvping, become a corporal, and
grab the anti-fear trinket
ArPharazonV: I knew someone who pvped a bit for fun and got to corporal
at lvl 8
ArPharazonV: is there a level-requirement on that trinket? not sure..
Menelvagor Valar: no, just corporal.
FinduilasV: oh most of my charas are on pvp now btw lol
FinduilasV: some by accident
FinduilasV: aparrt from Laswen i think
ArPharazonV: doing Battlegrounds?
FinduilasV: some with Erastor before i wiped him out
FinduilasV: and Aiyata was on one
ArPharazonV: there's good Honor there
FinduilasV: i will go with my pala
ArPharazonV: I went to 2 battlegrounds on 1 evening, and a few days
later I was corporal
ArPharazonV: no other pvp
Menelvagor Valar: oh yay! About to start playing FF XI
ArPharazonV: too bad I'm back down to Private now, though, but I can
still use the insignia you get to dispel fears etc
FinduilasV: well i see but my silly druid decided to heal during a
ArPharazonV: can still get honor for that, I think?
FinduilasV: and gildor defended Failirin when she got attack
FinduilasV: my cat
ArPharazonV: ahh :-)
ArPharazonV: my wolf's called Helvy!
ArPharazonV: speaking of Battlegrounds, I did a Warsong Gulch this week
with a few of our THG guildmembers
ArPharazonV: feral druids are amazing flag-carriers, it seems!
ArPharazonV: I grabbed the flag each time and we won with 3-0
Menelvagor Valar: no kidding sherlock.
ArPharazonV: made me feel special!
Menelvagor Valar: I've known that since week 1 of WSG.
ArPharazonV: well, I knew it too, but I hadn't been too succesful in it
Menelvagor Valar: Shaman Frost Shock is a terrible thing to encounter,
ArPharazonV: luckily, our pre-made group was quite good in dishing out
the damage and keeping the horde from running off with our flag
Menelvagor Valar: meh.
ArPharazonV: but of course, we're decked out in tier 2, so that's no
Menelvagor Valar: THG is one of the most uber-geared guilds on AD :P
ArPharazonV: exactly :-)
Menelvagor Valar: and who's to thank?
ArPharazonV: ..most would say Arelenda ;-)
ArPharazonV: but ehrm... I know better? ;-)
Menelvagor Valar: directly, Arelenda is to thank, yes.
FinduilasV: oh bother .. gota go ..
FinduilasV: just when i enjoy it
ArPharazonV: Namarie, Finduilas
ArPharazonV: and let's get those missing names soon!
Menelvagor Valar: though Arelenda would never have been as successful
hadn't it been for me merging her guild into THG or setting up RSA.
FinduilasV: yes but we need them tested first , Menel
ArPharazonV: you paved the way, Menel!
FinduilasV: so get yer gear together Master Maia aye?
ArPharazonV: and I hope you get to develop your raidgroup to be on par
with us, progress-wise
ArPharazonV: or even better!
Menelvagor Valar: Might be a good idea to get a Valar channel up first,
get to know each other better, and then bother about the guild itself.
ArPharazonV: I'm in a Valar channel now, with all my characters I think
ArPharazonV: just named Valar
ArPharazonV: so we could simply join up there
Menelvagor Valar: uh-huh
VardaValar1: Be sure you invite courteous talkers to Valar channel : )
VardaValar1: Remember Valar is a refuge too : )
Menelvagor Valar: aye.
Menelvagor Valar: just like LotP :)
VardaValar1: Not just a Tolkien fan club or gamers.
ArPharazonV: indeed :-)
Menelvagor Valar: Already kicked someone for his bad attitude.
ArPharazonV: we don't want it to degenerate into trash talk
Menelvagor Valar: leave that to me :)
ArPharazonV: what, to let it degenerate into trash talk? ;-)
Menelvagor Valar: exactly.
Menelvagor Valar: You and I are experts at degenerating into trash talk.
Menelvagor Valar: and therefore we know it when we see it.
Menelvagor Valar: excellent counter I'd say.
ArPharazonV: hey, I try to keep it under control... but lately I've
been so horrible I've even begun to annoy THG-members
ArPharazonV: but enough of that!
ArPharazonV: anyone up for a short game? BZFlag? TFT?
GwaihirValar: I have a bit of announcement to make here, something
that Gilraen and I forgot to mention earlier ;-)
VardaValar1: Fire away!
ArPharazonV: ...you're pregnant?
GwaihirValar: next summer we'll be holding a sort of 'second
celebration' of our marriage for the people in North America who
wouldn't make it to the wedding in England... tentative date is August
11th(not set in stone yet though)
VardaValar1: Just before classes grab everyone. Good idea. : )
GwaihirValar: and we just wanted to let you know that members are
welcome to come, but we'll need to know if you plan on attending so we
can get a tally of how many to expect ;-)
VardaValar1: Where in N. America? : )
ArPharazonV: unless I'm for some reason in the US at the time, I doubt
GwaihirValar: it'll be being held here, probably at my house unless we
get a huge turnout lol
GwaihirValar: our back yard can hold quite a few people ;-)
ArPharazonV: and what if it starts raining?
GwaihirValar: we went 8 weeks without rain this summer...
GwaihirValar: thats a bit more than usuall
FinduilasV: Namarie friends and i will see you on Argent Dawn Mendel
and Ar Phara L(
GwaihirValar: but during the summer, rain isn't always the biggest
VardaValar1: Good night, Finduilas!
Eonwe Valar: Take care
FinduilasV: May the light shine upon your road
FinduilasV has left the room.
GwaihirValar: So ya, just e-mail myself or Gilraen if you plan on being
there for it so we can get a summary of who all will be; biut don't
feel bad if you can't make it ;-)
VardaValar1: We'll see how funds are - pretty long way - but it would
be a great honor to be there!
VardaValar1: And we are all honored by your invitation. : )
GilraenV: Phara, I certainly *hope* Gwai's not expecting... :-\
GwaihirValar: me too ;-)
VardaValar1: Could be a surprise. ; )
ArPharazonV: well, with "you're" I was talking about the both of you,
no worry ;-)
Eonwe Valar: That's not the kind of surprise I'd want... :}
ArPharazonV: or more basically, one of you ;-)
ArPharazonV: whatever, you get my point!
Eonwe Valar: Anyway, your invitation is much appreciated.
GwaihirValar: I'll let you know once we've finalized the date, but
chances are the 11th is gonna be the day
VardaValar1: A ballpark is very helpful, thanks!
GwaihirValar: unless we get a rush of replies from relatives and stuff
saying the day is horrible... ;-)
ArPharazonV: 20 relatives + 30 valar members in 1 place..
ArPharazonV: I sense lots of new recruits!
GwaihirValar: my relatives aren't quite as big a fan of literature as I
am... for the most part
GilraenV: well, I do believe Gwai's dad had read tolkien...
GwaihirValar: my dad's prolly the only possible candidate
VardaValar1: Go Gwaihir's Dad!!
GwaihirValar: mom's never read the books, I'm wondering if her sisters
and brother have read anything other than chicken soup for the soul ;-)
VardaValar1: That's a nice start. : )
Arwen V1: would be better if it were chicken soup for the tolkien soul
ArPharazonV: the Fe�!
VardaValar1: Arwen! aye ;-)
VardaValar1: I'm going to check to see if there's a gaming computer
open for play : )
Eonwe Valar: Lothar may be down.
VardaValar1: Uldaman is good for that problem : )
Eonwe Valar: It's down for maintaince, about 90 mins.
Eonwe Valar: so it'll probably still be down.
Arwen V1: =o
Arwen V1: I cant play for at least 11 more days =/
ArPharazonV: I picked up another game card while I was on holiday
ArPharazonV: so now I have enough until... somewhere in December
Gamatzgamatz has entered the room.
Menelvagor Valar: haha.
Menelvagor Valar: 90 mins?
Gamatzgamatz: hey everybody
VardaValar1: Thranduil here has some amazing news : )
Menelvagor Valar: that's more like 9 hours on Argent Down :D
ArPharazonV: let alone the queues once it's finally up, Menel..
Gamatzgamatz: hey guys, well i got
accepted to the alpha 3 stage of LOTRO :-D
Gamatzgamatz: so I was wondering if anybody else got in
VardaValar1: Did it come in your email?
VardaValar1: I only applied for Beta. Are we supposed to sign elsewhere
Menelvagor Valar: Of course, being a Euro, I didn't get in.
Eonwe Valar: Congrats :}
Gamatzgamatz: oh no beta and alpha are the same, alpha is just a stage
Eonwe Valar: You know there was a Euro signup as well, Menel?
GwaihirValar: Alpha testers are friends and family of employees of the
Gamatzgamatz: I thought i got accepted cause the guild was accepted as
Gamatzgamatz: yeap thats true gwaihir but this was alpha 3
GwaihirValar: like the Burning Crusade is currently in friends and
GwaihirValar: and man... some of the changes that are getting leaked
and hinted at for hunters are scary
Gamatzgamatz: lol yea i just took a peek at the new mage talents/spells
its invisible domination time
GwaihirValar: well, hunters talents don't exist yet
Eonwe Valar: I like some of the Paladin changes. Others are ok, but
it's kind crazy that Holy is the only tree I'd dump 61 points into with
GwaihirValar: but... the CLASS changes that are being made are scary
GwaihirValar: well, it LOOKS like they're rebuilding hunters from the
VardaValar1: I see nothing from LotRO in my mail. Hope it's not tagged
VardaValar1: Did they say why?
GwaihirValar: well, hunters need it
Gamatzgamatz: shucks, i mean honestly varda, lotro is not bad, its
looking good, but i doubt that it will come close to WoW
GwaihirValar: having played a hunter through all of mc, zg, aq20, bwl,
most of aq40, and parts of naxx.... we really do need a refit
ArPharazonV: I'd like to know my new feral talents too...
VardaValar1: I've been worried about that, Thranduil
GwaihirValar: but without having all the information
GwaihirValar: the so-far leaked changes are scary
VardaValar1: Just hoping, as we don't know much yet.
Eonwe Valar: Strange, Varda's hunter can solo a lvl 59 elite. Doesn't
need much help from my view :}
GwaihirValar: lol in end-game content things change
Gamatzgamatz: i think the sole reason(imo) why its different, is
because in LOTRO you have no evil side, so pvp is going to be wierd
Arwen V1: I saw a video somewhere showing the character creation screen
for blood elves and draeni
Arwen V1: showing all the different ways they could look
Arwen V1: it was very cool =D
GwaihirValar: ya, I'll post a link to a video of all the dances and
animations and stuff
GwaihirValar: one sec
for the voices :-)
VardaValar1: LotRO pvp might be as in training soldiers, so we spar
with each other.
GwaihirValar: BE Female: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m8-JoXQ4Lo
GwaihirValar: BE Male: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CiRoD79RJw&mode=related&search=
is for the new 10-man Karazhan, btw
GwaihirValar: Ranged attack animations for Draenei/BE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pV_wRk-_lI
GwaihirValar: /silly and /flirt for Draenei/BE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAfpxaaE6A0&mode=related&search=
GwaihirValar: Draenei Female: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHgskaJX1wA&mode=related&search=
show the Draenei mounts, first one the normal one, the second one the
ArPharazonV: be sure to watch those... Oliphaunts ;-)
Gamatzgamatz: well guys it was great to speak with you all again, i
wish I was still playing WoW to join you guys. Anyways see you all soon.
VardaValar1: We have other games :-)
VardaValar1: and AIM
VardaValar1: and the Tolkien site : )
GwaihirValar: the AIM forum won't let me post the URL for the Draenei
Eonwe Valar: And a forum.
Gamatzgamatz: haha definetly
VardaValar1: Let us know about the alpha as much as they allow!
GwaihirValar: there we go
VardaValar1: and Forum aye :-)
Gamatzgamatz: oh yea lol ill post something up on the forums asap
Gamatzgamatz has left the room.
ArPharazonV: the Draenei now officially have the best mounts ever
ArPharazonV: should be especially good for us Lotr fans
VardaValar1: I am so going to check my spam box from here out.
GwaihirValar: Draenei Male have the best dance
ArPharazonV: oh, the origin of the Draenei Male dance:
GwaihirValar: followed by BE Female lol
GwaihirValar: ya, the origin is cool too lol
ArPharazonV: good thing we have some threads on our THG forum full with
links to these movies about BC :-)
VardaValar1: Do you know if the international WoW server idea has been
ArPharazonV: no idea, haven't heard anything about it for quite some
VardaValar1: They are probably hoping we forget about it. : )
GwaihirValar: I posted all those links I just posted in here on our
ArPharazonV: hehe, wouldn't surprise me
VardaValar1: They did find a way to do Realm vs Realm for pvp, so maybe
they can figure out something.
ArPharazonV: yes, but all in the same continent, so far
ArPharazonV: but we'll see
GwaihirValar: hehehe... BE Male /flirt: "You know what I love about
your eyes... when I look deep enough into them, I can see my own
VardaValar1: Still, maybe that means they are finding a way to link
servers, which could help with international. : )
VardaValar1: No ego there! ;-)
GwaihirValar: BE Male are so vain
GwaihirValar: another BE Male one is "Don't you wish your girlfriend
was hot like me"
GwaihirValar: yes, BE Male one
ArPharazonV: For mating ritual we need 4, no 5, sheep, one gnome and
Staff of Domination. Put gnome in bag, beat gnome with staff, find me
after gnome is tenderized.
GwaihirValar: lol yup
GwaihirValar: thats hilarious
GwaihirValar: but its beat bag with staff ;-)
Menelvagor Valar: Off to bed I go.
Menelvagor Valar: Namarie everyone!
ArPharazonV: Namarie Menel
GwaihirValar: the DRaenei female are a little obsessed with Gnomes
GwaihirValar: BE Female: "Do you believe in love in first sight? Or
should I walk by again?"
VardaValar1: I must try that with Fangorn : )
VardaValar1: Ok, too much WoW talk
VardaValar1: I'm going to have to go play WoW now. : )
GwaihirValar: Draenei MAle: "When we arrived here, I lost many jewels
that had been in my family for generations. If you could get your hands
on my family jewels, I would be deeply appreciative"
GwaihirValar: farewell! :-)
VardaValar1 has left the room.
ArPharazonV: Stop, and ask for directions, I told him. But no, it's
interdimensional, he says, what can go wrong?
GwaihirValar: "I'm trying to cut back on arcane magic... look, I got
GwaihirValar: "Ugh, I hate thunder bluff... you can't find a good
GwaihirValar: "We're allied with the Tauren? FANTASTIC! We'll be having
steak twice a week"
ArPharazonV: How can I miss you if you don't go away?
ArPharazonV: "D'you think the expansion will make me fat?"
GwaihirValar: "Do gnomes have a 'vibrate' setting? I.. I'm just curious"
GwaihirValar: as I said, Draenei female are a bit obsessed with
Arwen V1: lol "I'm the girl the ESRB warned you about" =D
ArPharazonV: a bit too...
Eonwe Valar: They can get away with those in WoW?
Eonwe Valar: Tsk
GwaihirValar: "I have a wonderful recipe. Bring two gnomes, two eggs.
BEat the gnomes, separate the eggs... or was it..... ehh details!"
Arwen V1: lol
Arwen V1: these are funny =D
GwaihirValar: "We did not realize it... but in Naaru language, Exodar
means 'defective Elekk turd'"
GwaihirValar: Draenei female: "Yes, they are real... and they can cut
GwaihirValar: BE Male: "Uhh... I could really use a scrunchie... YA YOU
Arwen V1: soo funny!
GwaihirValar: I know, BE and Draenei got the best of everything...
GwaihirValar: weapon animations, appearances, dances, and jokes/flirst
Arwen V1: hehehe
GwaihirValar: BE MAle: "Your eyes are like the sunwell.... before the
explosion that doomed us all, of course"
GwaihirValar: "You know... I had a girlfriend, but I lost her in the
crash. Thats the bad news... the good news is I'm Available!!"
GwaihirValar: BE Female: "Normally I only ride on epic mounts... but...
Arwen V1: the draenei female is sooo cool =)
Arwen V1: LOL
Arwen V1: the be male went "Dont you wish your girlfriend was hot like
ArPharazonV: so gonna make a draenei female shaman
ArPharazonV: or male... haven't decided yet ;-)
GwaihirValar: I'm making a male shaman, female hunter and mage
Arwen V1: hilarious =D
GilraenV: well, I'm off
GilraenV: namarie, folks
ArPharazonV: Namarie, Gilraen
Eonwe Valar: Take care
ArPharazonV: she sounded like a murloc!
GilraenV has left the room.
GwaihirValar: Draenei Male staff 'special attack' animation is sweet
GwaihirValar: he like flips the staff in the air backs up and then
catches it and swings
ArPharazonV: what link is that?
GwaihirValar: the Draenei Male animations link I posted
ArPharazonV: ah, thanks
GwaihirValar: BE male two-handed weapon special is even better
GwaihirValar: too bad blood elves only have like two classes that can
use two-handed swords
ArPharazonV: don't think I'll be a bloodelf
ArPharazonV: too annoying personalities
GwaihirValar: lol me neither prolly, but man those animations look sweet
GwaihirValar: BE Female 2-hander is great too
ArPharazonV: anywayz, I'd better be off to bed
ArPharazonV: Namarie all, I'll be saving
Eonwe Valar: Take care