Valar Guild

October 1, 2006 Meeting

5pm EST (GMT - 5); (GMT = 22:00)
AIM: Valar Guild Meetingplace

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Transcript work by: 
Ar-Pharazon-(V), Eonwe-(Valar), and Varda-(Valar)

Attending (10):
    ArPharazonV, Eonwe Valar (presiding), FinduilasV, FladrifV, Glorfindel-(V)/Glorfindel VG, Haleth V, Menelvagor Valar, Orodreth V, Scatha-(V)/STEvilaim, VardaValar1 (after-meeting)

Meeting begins
    New Tolkien-Only member, Fingolfin-(TV)
    Help requested for school by Menelvagor: please check his site at
    Guild Anniversary Number Nine plans:
       Help hold the Valar Guild chat room open for the entire Oct 4, trying to include your time zone. Orodreth will try to hold it open the whole week!
       Meet in here on that day and move to the game of your choice, and maybe find more people to drag into the gaming
           WarCraft 3 (not TFT, as quite a few didn't get the expansion) gaming. Time uncertain, but the regular meeting time is one possibility.
           Show up in Valar channel in East Realm, the place where it all began, in any Blizzard game that allows it: StarCraft/Broodwar, Diablo series (except, sadly the one we originated in, Diablo 1), WarCraft 2, and/or WarCraft 3.
       World of WarCraft: fireworks and gaming. If your character (including alt) doesn't have a tabard, WoWmail the guildmaster for your anniversary tabard. For Lothar, WoWmail (or email) Auros (Eonwe-Valar). For Uldaman, same to Gilbrennil (Varda-Valar). Gilbrennil is not terribly rich, so several of us are working the AH and gaming to raise tabard money. You might also help us with this clothing project. Let no one be without a tabard!
       Well of Souls: Orodreth plans to be there for you.
       Eve Online: snowball throwing
       According to Scatha-(V): game until we run out of caffienated beverages!
       Gaming page: Send in your gaming review, and tag it that you did it for the 9th anniversary.
       Tolkien site: Send in anything for the Tolkien site, tagging it that it's for the 9th anniversary. You can also type up your own anniversary comment and ask that it be included.
       Members pages: Send in your memoir or update it, telling how you joined and what happened and why you're still here.
       News page: Send in an email to be included on the Anniversary date. If there are a lot of them, they will be on an auxiliary page linked to the News.
    Tolkien site:
        New article: "Finwe" by Fingolfin-(TV)
        Story: "Setting Forth" by Jay of Lasgalen
    Language in Middle-Earth. Tolkien created the languages then built the world around them. So, what can we glean about the races from their languages?

You have just entered room "valarguildmeetingplace."
Haleth V has entered the room.
Orodreth V has entered the room.
FladrifV has entered the room.
STEvilaim has entered the room.
STEvilaim: 'lo
FladrifV: aIYA!
Haleth V: aiya all
Eonwe Valar: heya all
FladrifV: capslock greet
Eonwe Valar: Let me grab the news and take roll and we'll begin.
Eonwe Valar: Anyone see anyone on that's not here?
Orodreth V: Where is everyone? oO
FladrifV: I inform arph
FinduilasV has entered the room.
FladrifV: he will be here soon
FladrifV: Hey Fin
FinduilasV: aiya together L)
Eonwe Valar: Heya Finduilas.
ArPharazonV has entered the room.
Haleth V: aiya =)
FinduilasV: good to se ye Flad :-)
ArPharazonV: Aiya
ArPharazonV: will be right there, just doing Calling
FinduilasV: aiya ar Pharazon
Eonwe Valar: Varda, as she mentioned last week, is out since Thursday.
Eonwe Valar: I'll be beginning the meeting shortly, just making sure I have all the news.
Eonwe Valar: If you have any Guild related news, whisper me now for inclusion.
Eonwe Valar: Ok, think I've got everything. We're ready to begin.

Eonwe Valar: Elenn Sila Lumenn Omentielvo!
Eonwe Valar: Membership:
Eonwe Valar: New Tolkien-Only member, Fingolfin-(TV).
Eonwe Valar: He joined with an article on Finwë for the Encyclopedia, working from a Greek copy of the Sil.
Eonwe Valar: He's from Greece.
Eonwe Valar: Hence the language of his Silmarillion :}
Eonwe Valar: Varda and Fangorn as mentioned already are out of town until late tonight visiting Fangorn's parents and a terminally ill family friend.
Eonwe Valar: Sauron's 26th birthday was Wednesday.
Eonwe Valar: This Wednesay is our Guild's 9th Anniversary.
Eonwe Valar: *Wednesday
ArPharazonV: yay us
Haleth V: =)
ArPharazonV: means it's my third anniversary too!
Eonwe Valar: So how do we want to celebrate?
ArPharazonV: in this guild
FinduilasV: L)
FinduilasV: :-D
Eonwe Valar: The most popular in recent years methinks is holding this very channel open for the 24 hours of our Anniversary.
STEvilaim: game until we run out of caffienated beverages!
Eonwe Valar: Trading off, of course :} You can come by anytime during the day and should find someone here :}
Eonwe Valar: Gaming would be a good one too, aye :}
Eonwe Valar: The question is who, when, and where :}
ArPharazonV: I'll be here as soon as I'm online, but not sure when that will be
Haleth V: I probably won't be, thanks to high school and homework.
Eonwe Valar: Hopefully most of us still have BW/SC, WC2/3, maybe D2.
ArPharazonV: sure, warcraft 3'd be nice, I'm a bit vacant in WoW anyway, no raids on wednesday
Eonwe Valar: There's always Guild members getting together in games like WoW and doing some stuff there too.
Eonwe Valar: *To better phrase, there's that option.
Eonwe Valar: So we have Phar for WC3. Anyone Else?
Haleth V: I'll try. Reign of Chaos or Frozen Throne?
Eonwe Valar: Phar?
FladrifV: I have it aswell
FinduilasV: question is warcraft 3 pure online and would we be together on one sercver>
Haleth V: I'm usually on RoC, US West.
Eonwe Valar: USEast (Azeroth in WC3) is our standard server.
Haleth V: Could create a new name for US East, though.
Eonwe Valar: Or realm, gateway, whatever they're calling it.
ArPharazonV: oh, ehrr... either's fine, I think
Eonwe Valar: Use guild names for recognition :}
ArPharazonV: though I'm more used to Frozen Throne
Haleth V: lol
Haleth V: I can switch over, I suppose.
Haleth V: Haven't played TFT for a while, though - been on custom games.
Eonwe Valar: I'm sure channel Valar wouldn't mind a visit :}
Eonwe Valar: So we've got a group for WC3? Great :}
Haleth V: Can't make any guarantees, though =/
Haleth V: It really depends on how much homework they decide to load us with. -.-
ArPharazonV: indeed, and I'm not sure what time I'll be available
ArPharazonV: but we'll see
Haleth V: Right, different time zones and all.
Orodreth V: I'll reinstall wc3 someday..
Eonwe Valar: I might stop by in bnet channel Valar (our Guild channel for many years), but may not be able to game if my homework doesn't permit.
Haleth V: I can only come online during the night =/
Orodreth V: I do have sc installed though.
ArPharazonV: you were French, Haleth?
Haleth V: lol. American.
Haleth V: Living out in Arizona. GMT-8 currently.
ArPharazonV: then why am I thinking you were French..
ArPharazonV: meh
Haleth V: lol
Haleth V: If you've ever been to AZ, you'd never confused the two. =P
Haleth V: it's STILL hot out here.
ArPharazonV: haha
Eonwe Valar: I will be in here for a few hours to hold the channel awake at the very least :}
ArPharazonV: ok, I'm gone from WoW
ArPharazonV: so, US East, TFT, valar channel?
ArPharazonV: problem is, night for Haleth... is the next morning for me
Eonwe Valar: If my schedule is really nice, I might do a little bnet and drop into WoW to see how we're celebrating there :}
Haleth V: drat.
Haleth V: And I can'
Haleth V: t come online earlier*
Haleth V: School and stuff.
Menelvagor Valar has entered the room.
Menelvagor Valar: Aiya
ArPharazonV: aiya
Haleth V: aiya
Eonwe Valar: In the chance one our these get-together options aren't available, Varda has a list of other suggestions that are soloable :}
Menelvagor Valar: Sorry I'm late.
Eonwe Valar: Hey Menel :} Just talking about our 9th Anniversary Festivities :}
Menelvagor Valar: which section are we at?
Eonwe Valar: So far got holding the channel open and some WC3 gaming :}
Menelvagor Valar: crikey!
Menelvagor Valar: that's thursday innit?
Orodreth V: I'll be holding it open all day. :-)
Eonwe Valar: Wednesday October 4th :}
ArPharazonV: wednesday
Menelvagor Valar: whoops :P
Menelvagor Valar: unfortunately, I have pressing matters coming wednesday. :(
FinduilasV: where do i get the software?
Eonwe Valar: Software?
FinduilasV: for warcraft three?
Eonwe Valar: Ah, store is the quickest place.
Eonwe Valar: Ordering from an online store like Amazon might be another good way to go barring local stores, but don't know how fast it'll get to you.
Orodreth V: I'll also be on WoS if people want to party there. Got a 100 and a 70.
Haleth V: Finduilas, where do you live again?
Menelvagor Valar: Britain
Haleth V: ah.
FinduilasV: yeah isle of skye
Haleth V: Have a local gamestore near you?
Eonwe Valar: At the very least in WoW, we can buy some fireworks and shoot them off :}
FinduilasV: there is a small shop that selles games actually in portree but amazon might be faster
FinduilasV: they are not bad if ye pay first class
Haleth V: huh
FinduilasV: i have ordered five books :L) and theyh will be dispatched tomorrow
FinduilasV: so i think i have them wed or thursday
FinduilasV: but first class is faster
Orodreth V: I can break out my snowballs in Eve!
Orodreth V: The most expensive projectiles in the game. :-)
Eonwe Valar: :}
FladrifV: in this time of the year
Orodreth V: (Up to 5,000isk/shot..not much in the grand scheme of things but it sure adds up fast. :p
FladrifV: that was the end of.....
Eonwe Valar: Here's a little incentive for Guild members to go jump on Lothar in WoW: Any Guild Member on Lothar who doesn't yet have a Guild Tabard for one reason or another can e-mail me until Midnight on Thursday and to receive one :}
Eonwe Valar: That is, the midnight that transitions from Guild ANniversary day to the day after :}
Haleth V: Thursday 00:00?
ArPharazonV: I wish people would do that on AD.. I still have 5 alts without a tabard ;-)
Eonwe Valar: :}
Eonwe Valar: Buy a US copy and come join us, Phar :}
ArPharazonV: heh
ArPharazonV: will you send me the gamecards?
Eonwe Valar: Aye, Thursday 00:00
Eonwe Valar: Ah yes, you don't want to get an international credit card :}
FladrifV: ((not after the news of today....:S))
Eonwe Valar: I think that's how Elatan did it for a while.
Eonwe Valar: Unfortunately not enough of us were on during his best times.
Orodreth V: /me hugs Eve
Orodreth V: You can buy timecards with isk. :-)
Eonwe Valar: hehe
Orodreth V: Expensive, though. :-(
Eonwe Valar: As I mentioned, though, in the chance one our these get-together options aren't available, Varda has a list of other suggestions that are soloable :}
Eonwe Valar: Here is that list so you can get started now, hehe :}
ArPharazonV: hmm... subscription running out in 6 days
ArPharazonV: luckily I have a new card standing by
Eonwe Valar: 1.) Send in game reviews to Eonwe for the Games page
Menelvagor Valar: you can already enter it :)
ArPharazonV: I can, I can
Eonwe Valar: 2.)Send in goodies for the Tolkien site (the one you've been meaning to get to, or a fresh one) to Varda, and label it that it's part of the 9th Anniversary celebration..
Eonwe Valar: These might be humor, art, poetry, fiction, articles, book review (cc Lungorthin), or a memoir telling how you got into the guild and what happened to you there, and what plans or hopes you have for your guild.
Haleth V: if it's fiction... I'd better get back to work =)
Eonwe Valar: And don't forget those of you in Europe, though Blizzard divided us into hemispheres, can still get together for some WoWing together.
Eonwe Valar: And remember, whatever you get together to do, let us know that you did it!
Eonwe Valar: Any other suggestions for the Anniversary?
Eonwe Valar: So far we have:
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Eonwe Valar: (And by have, I mean people have agreed to do it)
FinduilasV has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar: 1.) Hold this channel open the whole day of.
FinduilasV: am i back?
ArPharazonV: you are
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Eonwe Valar: 2.) WC3, USEast (Azeroth), channel Valar.
FinduilasV: good gioo the joys of dial up
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Haleth V has entered the room.
Haleth V: For some reason, I couldn't send messages anymore...
Eonwe Valar: 3.) Guild Tabard for any Guild members who don't have one and let me know by the end of Wednesday in our official Guild branch on Lothar.
Eonwe Valar: 4.) Fireworks/Snowballs on WoW and Eve :}
Eonwe Valar: Did I get it all?
Eonwe Valar: And there's many ways you can contribute to the Pages, as listed above :}
Eonwe Valar: Anything further on the Anniversary?
Eonwe Valar: You can also meet in here on that day and move to the game of your choice, and maybe find more people to drag into the gaming :}
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Haleth V has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar: Any other member news?

Eonwe Valar: Ok, on to Web News then :}
Eonwe Valar: New article on Finwë from new Tolkien-Only member Fingolfin, as mentioned above.
Eonwe Valar: New Story by Jay of Lasgalen, "Setting Forth"
Eonwe Valar: Varda's been redesigning the Stories stuff, starting with Elwing and Finduilas', and says it should be in good shape now :}
Eonwe Valar: Any other web news?
Menelvagor Valar: depends on authorisation 8-)
FinduilasV: a tiny wee bit from me too eonwe, not much
Eonwe Valar: Go ahead, Finduilas.
FinduilasV: i have added the link to the valar guild side on the bridge to middlearth with a short explanation wahat it is about
FinduilasV: and with ways to contact me if people are interested in joining the guild , especially the european branch
FinduilasV: so if ye could check if its correct what i wrote, i would be grateful
Eonwe Valar: Sure thing.
FinduilasV: thats it
Eonwe Valar: Thanks Finduilas.
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Eonwe Valar: A quick bit of news, not web or Guild related, but I'm going to slide it here real quick. Menel's working on something for a class he'd like other to take a look at. Whisper him all comments.
Eonwe Valar: The link is
Eonwe Valar: The opinions expressed therein do not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of the Valar Guild (hehe, I haven't looked at it either :})
STEvilaim: Sorry, the page you requested was not found.
ArPharazonV: Sorry, the page you requested was not found.
ArPharazonV: heh
Eonwe Valar: Turgon, you want to post a better link real quick?
FinduilasV: the link does not work for me\
Eonwe Valar: er, Menel?
Haleth V has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar: WB Haleth :}
Haleth V: thanks =)
Haleth V: My internet's misbehaving for some reason.
FinduilasV: hope ye stay now :-)
Eonwe Valar: *Hands Haleth a giant anchor*
Haleth V: =) Thanks =P
Haleth V: Funny thing is that dial-up was more reliable than DSL, lol.
Haleth V: It was slow... but it worked.
Eonwe Valar: Whisper Menel for a better link :}
Eonwe Valar: He doesn't seem to be responding, so he might be fixing the problem :}
Eonwe Valar: In the meantime, we'll move on with the meeting.
FinduilasV: ah could well be
Haleth V: I'm confused... Which link and which problem?
Eonwe Valar: Menel asked everyone to take a look at something for a class, and the link isn't working.
Haleth V: ah.

Eonwe Valar: Gaming News:
Eonwe Valar: Anyone play anything besides WoW this week?
Menelvagor Valar: Sorry, still fiddling with it, figured it missed something :)
ArPharazonV: went for a bit of war3 during queue today, the game crashed 3 minutes after entry
ArPharazonV: so I went back to browsing until queue was up
ArPharazonV: and I think that's all I did this week ;-)
Eonwe Valar: Hehe
FinduilasV: hihi were some server problems on wow europe
FinduilasV: got the most monumental lags ever so far
Eonwe Valar: I'm afraid real life interfered with my gaming this week as well, so I didn't make it for any questing on Lothar.
ArPharazonV: aye, 2 days ago I had big lags and was disconnected several times
FladrifV: epic lags
ArPharazonV: same as another person in our raid, so I knew it wasn't me... but it was still annoying
Eonwe Valar: However, it seems enough for a group showed up while I was gone, though whether they showed up together or not I do not know :}
FinduilasV: indeed
Menelvagor Valar:
Eonwe Valar: Still not found Menel.
ArPharazonV: yup
Eonwe Valar: Might check your permissions if you haven't?
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Menelvagor Valar:
Eonwe Valar: In other WoW news, Harvest Festival is coming.
Menelvagor Valar: the 9th file from the top is the one you want.
Eonwe Valar: School_system.ppt
Eonwe Valar: got it.
ArPharazonV: seems to work then
Glorfindel VG has entered the room.
Menelvagor Valar: och, doh :P
Menelvagor Valar: anyways
Menelvagor Valar: the presentation has no opinions, simply observations from the Article it is based on.
ArPharazonV: hmm... what's the difference? capital S?
Menelvagor Valar: web addresses are case sensitive.
Eonwe Valar: Harvest Festival is coming, from the second of October to the ninth.
Menelvagor Valar: Mind that the Powerpoint presentation is also a barebone version of the actual presentation, so that some of the things in there are proved or disproved in the article itself.
ArPharazonV: oh, fun, I kinda missed the festivities last year
Eonwe Valar: Here's your chance to have celebration drinks and food on our Anniversary day too :}
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ArPharazonV: Calaron found 2 stockade pauldrons, epic world drops, while farming in Tyr's Hand this week, a mere 4 days apart
Eonwe Valar: Congrats
ArPharazonV: which was enough to pay off his debt and still have money left for quite a few raid-repairs, and there's no major purchases he wants to make right now
ArPharazonV: so with no worrying about farming money for a while... I'll have plenty of time for the festivities!
Eonwe Valar: Congrats :}
ArPharazonV: so also my epic mount is now paid off, and I'm finally living on my own money again :-)
Eonwe Valar: Druid spells and Talents for the Burning Crusade has also been released.
Eonwe Valar: hehe, good job :}
Eonwe Valar: Speaking of which, the recent WoW patch changed how that works now :}
FinduilasV: wow ... , nice nice nice :-) , Failivrin made a good run with Valandile, a warrior she met on the way in Wetlands and Gondoline joined Valandile and Failivrin in deadmines
ArPharazonV: yeah, they increased the epic riding skill to about 800g
FinduilasV: for Van clef
Eonwe Valar: You're paying the big money for the riding skill, which works for all mounts you can get, and less momeny for the mount itself.
ArPharazonV: and decreased the epic mounts to 80
Eonwe Valar: *money
ArPharazonV: yup, riding skill works for all mounts now
ArPharazonV: though I hear the mounts are now bind on pickup, and you still need to get exalted with a faction to get those mounts
Haleth V has left the room.
Eonwe Valar: Anything further for WoW before I move to LotRO? :}
ArPharazonV: aye, we killed Faerlina this week!
ArPharazonV: second of the 3 bosses in the Naxxramas Spider Wing
ArPharazonV: and made good progress on the third, Maexxna, got her down to 9%
ArPharazonV: we'll try to kill her this Tuesday
Haleth V has entered the room.
Menelvagor Valar: Ok, minor change, since the article the presentation linked to requires you to login at the New York Times site (free), now I relinked it to a word doc: (yes, this is right
Eonwe Valar: Good luck.
ArPharazonV: thanks
Haleth V: bleah... I think I might give up for this meeting - I have no idea what's wrong with the internet. I think I'll spend a couple minutes poking around
Eonwe Valar: Good luck Haleth
Haleth V: Thanks =)
Haleth V: Namarie, all!
Eonwe Valar: Have you updated to the latest AIM?
Haleth V: Nope, I'm using Gaim.
Eonwe Valar: Ah
ArPharazonV: Namarie then, Haleth
Haleth V: And it's not just AIM - MSN Messenger keeps crashing as well.
Haleth V: Namarie =)
Eonwe Valar: AIM's been updated, so not sure how that might affect you.
ArPharazonV: and I could've sworn you were French.. who am I confused with then?
Haleth V: lol
Haleth V: Japanese =)
Haleth V: anwyay, I'll try to make it to the anniversary meeting. =)
Eonwe Valar: OK :}
Eonwe Valar: Take care :}
Haleth V has left the room.
Eonwe Valar: On to LotRO:
Eonwe Valar: New Wallpapers, including calendars for the fourth quarter of 2006.
Eonwe Valar: New Contest to design a cloak for the game.
Eonwe Valar: Highlights from a party the beta testers threw for Bilbo and Frodo on their birthday.
Eonwe Valar: Any other gaming news?
Eonwe Valar: Ok, whisper me Tolkien Topics now :}
Eonwe Valar: Unless you want one of mine :}
Eonwe Valar: Going
Eonwe Valar: Going
ArPharazonV: gone?
Eonwe Valar: Gone :}
Eonwe Valar: Tolkien:
Eonwe Valar: Scatha has one :}
ArPharazonV: great!
Eonwe Valar: Your floor, Scatha.
STEvilaim: - the guy who runs this site is writing a thesis on flow in games.. might be intersting to a couple of you guys ;-)
STEvilaim: i've been reading and posting in the forums a bit.. getting pretty deep;
STEvilaim: writing a post right now actually.. up to about 5,000 words..
Eonwe Valar: Apparently not our Forums :}
STEvilaim: no
Eonwe Valar: I haven't had to read a 5000 word post there yet :}
ArPharazonV: oh, I could try one, if you like! I could make a huge background story for Calion's family that goes back 5 generations ;-)
ArPharazonV: in the rp, that is
Eonwe Valar: Er, let's keep those posts readable in under 30 years :}
Eonwe Valar: Anyway, on with Scatah's Tolkien topic :}
Eonwe Valar: *Scatha's
STEvilaim: i have a tolkien topic?
ArPharazonV: heh
Eonwe Valar: Er, You said you did :}
ArPharazonV: I think he meant his other topic just now :-)
Eonwe Valar: I said whisper me for Tolkien Topics, and you whispered :}
STEvilaim: oh, I thought I had a gaming news item..
STEvilaim: technically it branches into all forms of gaming I guess..
Eonwe Valar: Heh, everyone please be specific about what type of news item you have when you whisper :}
STEvilaim: my bad :p
Eonwe Valar: NP :}
Eonwe Valar: Everyone gets stuck with my Tolkien Topic is all :}

Eonwe Valar: Language in Middle-Earth. Tolkien created the languages then built the world around them. So, what can we glean about the races from their languages?
ArPharazonV: Dwarves, for example, are a tough and relatively secretive race
ArPharazonV: as such, their language is known to few, and those words that are known consist of harsh sounds, harsher than the Elven languages
FinduilasV: and not much of the language is known apart from the war cry and the mountain names
FinduilasV: khazad ai menu, azanlnubishar, keled zaram
Eonwe Valar: Known to few non-Dwarves. However, all Dwarves know Khuzdul.
ArPharazonV: yes, that's what I meant :-)
Eonwe Valar: Azanulbizar, btw :}
FinduilasV: *a nice tongue twister the dwarf language must be*, as sam sais
ArPharazonV: I'd love to learn Khuzdul ;-)
Eonwe Valar: Might take a while :}
FinduilasV: mo chridhe, gaidhlig is enough heh and thats a nice language :-)
ArPharazonV: Baruk Khazâd!
FinduilasV: :P
Eonwe Valar: Thus we know "Baruk" is "Axe" :}
ArPharazonV: btw, has a limited wordlist of the Dwarven language
ArPharazonV: at the bottom
Eonwe Valar: Thanks
ArPharazonV: not sure about the sources, though
Eonwe Valar: They don't share their sources?
ArPharazonV: (originally based on a list compiled by Lisa Star that appeared in Tyalië Tyelelliéva #4 p.22; she in turn thanked Jim Gillogly, Alberto Monteiro and Anthony Appleyard for helpful comments and suggestions).
ArPharazonV: it doesn't actually state any works by Tolkien
Eonwe Valar: Well that doesn't help much.
ArPharazonV: though some words do give sources themselves
ArPharazonV: or.. well... most do, it seems
ArPharazonV: so that's allright
FinduilasV: it seems that the explanation of the words name some of the sources
ArPharazonV: indeed :-)
Eonwe Valar: That's at least something.
Eonwe Valar: So, Khuzdul reflects Dwarves well, hard to learn and didn't see much change :}
ArPharazonV: indeed
Eonwe Valar: It did affect some Mannish languages though if memory serves.
FinduilasV: will be able to check that soon, eonwe :-) some time next week :-)
Eonwe Valar: ok :}
Eonwe Valar: So what about Elves?
ArPharazonV: graceful, subtle, and unaging :-)
ArPharazonV: both language and people
FinduilasV: Well theres the different peoples, and as i remember their dialects sundered
ArPharazonV: true, as their peoples seperated, so did their tongues
ArPharazonV: so it was more changeful than the
ArPharazonV: Dwarven language, at least
FinduilasV: Vanyar who never left Valinor
FinduilasV: Noldor
ArPharazonV: Sindar
FinduilasV: lived their but then got exiled
FinduilasV: yes
Eonwe Valar: Actually, it seems that the languages did change in Valinor.
FinduilasV: and Avari
Eonwe Valar: It says the Noldor were always changing their own language, and it also says that Finarfin had to learn the tongue of the Teleri.
FladrifV: namarie!
ArPharazonV: Namarie!
Eonwe Valar: Take care Fladrif :}
FinduilasV: the dictionary i have i Sindarin
FinduilasV: Namarie Flad!F
FinduilasV: ;!
ArPharazonV: interesting, it seems the page I linked is part of a larger database with many languages included
ArPharazonV: "The most comprehensive site about Tolkien's invented languages that you are likely to find on the net."
Eonwe Valar: Beren's Lorebook does well for Quenya.
Eonwe Valar: afk for a quick sec.
ArPharazonV: I'm not saying it is the most comprehensive site, I'm just saying that any site which would call itself that should at least be worth to check out :-)
Eonwe Valar: back
Eonwe Valar: hehe, Phar. I probably will check it out at some point :}
FinduilasV: ah where is that priest when ye need him > Filivrin
FinduilasV: meaning Valandile
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Eonwe Valar: So, since it's just we three, shall we call it here?
ArPharazonV: also, it seemed a bit relevant to the topic ;-)
ArPharazonV: hmm
Eonwe Valar: Or shall we keep going?
ArPharazonV: we could, if you're interested
Eonwe Valar: I'm thinking about everyone's schedules.
FinduilasV: hmm i have to get u its midnight here, but as i said i am starting only at eleven tomorrow
STEvilaim: i gotta run, cya guys ;-)
FinduilasV: ok Scatha see ye
FinduilasV: :-) NamarieQ!
Eonwe Valar: Take care Scatha :}
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Eonwe Valar: Hope to see everyone come Wednesay :}
ArPharazonV: it's 1 am here, but I'm free tomorrow, since it's a holiday for the city my college is located in, which means they're closed on monday and tuesday
FinduilasV: i will try and find it in the wee shop on tuesday,s eems dispatch is onlyh within two weeks
ArPharazonV: anniversary of being freed from the Spanish oppressors ;-)
Eonwe Valar: Heh, so I guess I have to get up the earliest of anyone: 8 am :}
ArPharazonV: well, yes, but your 8 am is many hours later than hours :-)
Eonwe Valar: Aye :}
ArPharazonV: *ours
FinduilasV: well phari ye hang around or off to bed?
ArPharazonV: not sure yet
Eonwe Valar: Ok, guess I'll bang the gavel.
Eonwe Valar: *Bangs Gavel*
FinduilasV: *my ears*]
ArPharazonV: *pulls back a flattened hand*
Eonwe Valar: Men! Changeful, with many different Languages :}
Eonwe Valar: Elves! Several languages, not quite as changeful.
ArPharazonV: Dwarves! 1 language, not changeful at all
Eonwe Valar: Dwarves! One native language they don't like too many non-Dwarves knowing :}
FinduilasV: interesting topic though and i am alwas keen on languages :-)
ArPharazonV: Orcs! 1 artificial language, but differing heavily in accent with every band
ArPharazonV: what else we got?
Eonwe Valar: Hobbits! They don't really care so long as they have a full stomach and a full pipe :}
ArPharazonV: haha
FinduilasV: ents .. dont say anything thats not worth saying )
ArPharazonV: barruhmruhm
Eonwe Valar: True! :}
FinduilasV: buarum .. a rala lala bum bum
Menelvagor Valar: Okies, I'm back.
Menelvagor Valar: sorry had to take care of some urgent LotP business.
ArPharazonV: Aiyata, then
Menelvagor Valar: Thanks.
Menelvagor Valar: (problem is though, right now, any business for LotP is urgent.
ArPharazonV: are ye in trouble?
Menelvagor Valar: meh, merely some lack of discipline.
FinduilasV: can ye invite menel eonwe?
Eonwe Valar: sure
Orodreth V: .me yawns
Orodreth V: So I'll just keep this chat open all week.
ArPharazonV: hehe, be my guest
ArPharazonV: I'll come back to check on you now and then while I'm online ;-)
Orodreth V: /me starts twitching
Orodreth V: All of them, they're so lovely. The many...
Orodreth V: They tell me you're a bad person...we don't like bad people...
Orodreth V: /me advances, still twitching
ArPharazonV: ehr?
ArPharazonV: /me backs away
ArPharazonV: I'm not a bad person! And I'll kill you to prove it too!
Orodreth V: haha
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Orodreth V: man
Orodreth V: GTs are so expensive. :-(
Orodreth V: GTCs*
ArPharazonV: GTC.. great... tower... carrier?
Orodreth V: Game time card. :p
Orodreth V: I'm sure...whatever those are are expensive too, though. :p
ArPharazonV: hehe
ArPharazonV: just be glad you can pay your subscription in in-game money, I have to do it with real money :-)
Orodreth V: yea, but it's alot of money :\
ArPharazonV: how much money? in terms of how fast you make money?
ArPharazonV: so... how many days' worth?
Orodreth V: for me?
Orodreth V: a good three long days of effort
ArPharazonV: and how long does the card last?
Orodreth V: some people make that in an afternnon. :\
ArPharazonV: heh
Orodreth V: 30d
ArPharazonV: hmm
Orodreth V: I know a person with a personal fleet of carriers...all privately owned and financed, each worth 2,000,000,000 empty. She's....very rich. :p
ArPharazonV: haha
ArPharazonV: and how much does a card cost in in-game money?
FinduilasV has left the room.
ArPharazonV: well, I'm off to bed
Eonwe Valar: Sleep well Phar.
ArPharazonV: saving and sending I am!
ArPharazonV: saved
Eonwe Valar: Care you should take, and well you must sleep :}
ArPharazonV: indeed I shall!
ArPharazonV: sent the transcript is
ArPharazonV: to bed I will go!
ArPharazonV: Namarie!
VardaValar1 has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar: Namarië :}
Eonwe Valar: Hey Varda :}
VardaValar1: Aiya
Eonwe Valar: Just in time for Member News :}
VardaValar1: Just got back. Didn't expect you guys to still be here :0  [Note: 4 hours from meeting start time]
Eonwe Valar: J/K :}
Eonwe Valar: Don't want you to panic :}
ArPharazonV: hey Varda
Eonwe Valar: Just the usual suspects still here :}
ArPharazonV: just sent you the transcript
ArPharazonV: was just about to head off
VardaValar1: I saw that, Phar, thanks!
VardaValar1: It's why I came :-)
Eonwe Valar: Orodreth says he's keeping the channel up for Anniversary Week :}
VardaValar1: Go Orodreth!
VardaValar1: I'll try to drop in now and then : )
ArPharazonV: convince him to send a huge transcript for the entire week ;
Eonwe Valar: So far, there's talk of WC3 for Anniversary day.
ArPharazonV: ;-)
VardaValar1: Cool
Eonwe Valar: And some guy named Eonwë said any member of the Lothar branch can e-mail him until the end of Wednesday for a Tabard if they don't already have one :}
VardaValar1: How about everyone emailing a Happy anniversary message to spam the News page? : )
ArPharazonV: yeah, that Eonwe guy must be crazy, paying all that gold on tabards
VardaValar1: ohh, great idea!
ArPharazonV: don't know why you let him in the guild in the first place!
Eonwe Valar: :}
VardaValar1: For Uldaman, same thing then, but email Gilbrennil who may have to pass the hat but will get the tabard!
VardaValar1: Crazy, first qualification. ;-)
ArPharazonV: good point :0
ArPharazonV: *:-)
Eonwe Valar: Aye, donations to help pay for all the tabards will be accepted, should it come to that :}
ArPharazonV: anyway, enough typoes from me
ArPharazonV: time for bed
Eonwe Valar: Sleep well Phar :}
ArPharazonV: nightynight folkses
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VardaValar1: Good night and thanks again, Phar!
Eonwe Valar: Also talk of Orodreth throwing Snowballs in Eve (Snowballs are very expensive there) and me setting off fireworks if I can swing some WoW time.
VardaValar1: Gilbrennil is kind of low level, but I'll find a way!
VardaValar1: hehe
Eonwe Valar: I'm going to at least try to show up in Valar channel on bnet to give our old chatspot a little company.
VardaValar1: yay!
Eonwe Valar: And of course in here to help hold it open for the day, if not a popin for the week.
Eonwe Valar: or rather, multiple popins during the week.
VardaValar1: I could try to pop into WoW both sides Oct 4, as well as chat
VardaValar1: Any additions to the Tolkien site for the anniversary can be labeled as such : )
Eonwe Valar: :}
Orodreth V: /me yarrs
Orodreth V: yes, snowballs are expensive...actually, I even wonder if I have any left
Orodreth V: sure I can find some on market if all else fails.
VardaValar1: I have a very few left in my WoW Lothar account, saving for a special occasion.
VardaValar1: This sounds special. ;-)
Orodreth V: Yea, but what will you do for the 10th anniverary, though?
VardaValar1: Something else. : )
Orodreth V: I know what I'll do in eve, buy my entire corp snowballs and launchers and have a very isk-wasting fight.
Orodreth V: but it'sll be worth it
VardaValar1: Sounds fun : )
Orodreth V: snowballs are pretty in eve.
VardaValar1: We can knock each other down with them in WoW without causing damage.
Orodreth V: yea, no damage or agression in eve
Orodreth V:
Orodreth V: not my pic
Orodreth V:
Orodreth V: snowing in space!
VardaValar1: Nice effect : )
Orodreth V: The devs say they did it basically so they could play with particle effects they normally had no need for. :p
Eonwe Valar: hehe
Orodreth V: new equipment for my claw barely fits :o
VardaValar1: Gotta watch those blisters. : )
Orodreth V: Claw = ship :p
VardaValar1: back
VardaValar1: j/k
VardaValar1: In StarWars, the Chiss have a Clawship. : )
VardaValar1: Anything like that?
Orodreth V: not so much, no
Orodreth V:
VardaValar1: Good night all, and Happy upcoming 9th Anniversary!
Eonwe Valar: Good night and Happy upcoming 9th Anniversary :}
Eonwe Valar: Guess I'll make my exit for the night. Good night all, sleep well, take care, and have fun :}
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