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October 15, 2006 Meeting

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Ar-Pharazon-(V) and Varda-(Valar)

Attending (11):
    Members: Ancalagon-(V)/Sarujil, ArPharazonV, Eonwe Valar, FinduilasV, Finrod-(V)/TH0R0NGIL, FladrifV, Gilraen-(V)/Star of Phaet, Glorfindel VG, Menelvagor Valar, VardaValar1 (presiding)
    Visitor: Srekal86

Meeting begins
Membership: Finduilas
Web: Tolkien site, links
    Menelvagor Valar: We all know that Elves have a different rhythm than mortals do, but how exactly, and when do they sleep?

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ArPharazonV has entered the room.
ArPharazonV: Aiya
FladrifV has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar: Heya
VardaValar1: Aiya :-)
Eonwe Valar: heya :}
Sarujil has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya :-)
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TH0R0NGIL has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Welcome
Star of Phaet: Aiya
TH0R0NGIL: aiya

VardaValar1: Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo!
VardaValar1: Thank you for taking time from your busy schedules to come to this meeting.
FladrifV: Aiya
VardaValar1: Membership:
ArPharazonV: it's nothing, the rogue had to leave anyway, so we couldn't continue farming winterspring demons
ArPharazonV: ;-)
VardaValar1: Do any of you have any membership news to report?
VardaValar1: Do any of you need help with how to scout for new members?
VardaValar1: You all understand the difference between Tolkien-only and Full?
VardaValar1: You are all now afk? : )
Eonwe Valar: I'm here, just preparing the Lothar report :}
VardaValar1: Thank you, Eonwe
VardaValar1: Sauron says hi from Lothar. : )
FladrifV: Im here
ArPharazonV: tolkien-only is not gaming, right?
VardaValar1: Aye, Phar.
VardaValar1: They help with the Tolkien site.
ArPharazonV: then how are we supposed to find those if we only scout in the games? ;-)
VardaValar1: They enter by submitting at least one piece we can use.
VardaValar1: You are looking for Tolkien fans.
VardaValar1: Many Tolkien fan gamers are not that willing to go into another guild, even as a second, but are willing to play with the Tolkien site.
ArPharazonV: true
VardaValar1: Later they may join as a full member.
Star of Phaet: (sorry, Varda, doing about six things at once, so consider me scrolling til I can reduce some of them down...)
VardaValar1: Any other comments for the membership suggestion? Suggestions? Kindly flames? : )
VardaValar1: Kudos? heh
VardaValar1: ok

VardaValar1: Web News:
VardaValar1: Tolkien site:
VardaValar1: New art by Turgon:
VardaValar1: "Beleriand"
VardaValar1: He has another piece on which he is working, another place, which he hopes to finish and send soon, between other things, as we all do.
ArPharazonV: that's not Gondolin, is it?
VardaValar1: Arwen-(V) sent in a link to tell more about the "Children of Hurin" from the Tolkien Estates point of view:
VardaValar1: For the more mature audience, a link has been sent in for the South Park version of WoW, back on Oct. 8.
VardaValar1: In case any of you WoW fans haven't already laughed at it.
ArPharazonV: :-)
Menelvagor Valar has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Hail Menelmacar : )
Menelvagor Valar: Aiya
VardaValar1: Menel, do you have any member or web news to add?
Menelvagor Valar: member news, though it could also go under gaming news.
VardaValar1: Go ahead, Menel
Srekal86 has entered the room.
Menelvagor Valar: Well, as you know the past 2 months I've worked really hard on my community on AD, and last night it became clear to me I've been working too hard.
Menelvagor Valar: The past few days I woke up tired, and went to bed even more tired.
Menelvagor Valar: So, for a short while I've taken a break from gaming and the responsibility of command I put on myself to work on more important issues
Menelvagor Valar: most important among those are school and sleep.
VardaValar1: Did you find yourself a second, and maybe a third, to help you with the group?
ArPharazonV: something's in the air.. that's the third person I know who's leaving WoW in the past 3 days
Menelvagor Valar: oh, I found a number of people to assist me.
VardaValar1: Start of school and change of season. : )
TH0R0NGIL has left the room.
VardaValar1: So you can take a break and not worry over their fate? : )
Menelvagor Valar: but I'm just too stubborn to let other people handle it, so I just kept on pushing myself.
VardaValar1: That will kill you, aye.
Menelvagor Valar: I have no real different option.
Menelvagor Valar: but I am sure they will manage.
VardaValar1: Find people you can trust to handle various parts, freeing you to macromanage instead of micromanage.
Menelvagor Valar: Quite well, actually, I've never chosen people who I thought not fit for the task :)
Menelvagor Valar: aye.
VardaValar1: Just don't make them feel abandoned, by never showing at all. Maybe once or twice a week?
ArPharazonV: the key to leadership: delegate where you can :-)
Menelvagor Valar: but as you yourself might know when you start a new community a lot of macro managing requires the regulating of the micro management :P
Menelvagor Valar: Yes, Phar, but people not used to new systems have to be trained.
VardaValar1: Only at first, then one hopes they have the hang of it, since it's not rocket science.
Menelvagor Valar: I think I have trained enough people to do my job for me in my absence :)
VardaValar1: Come in to be there to help them with hurdles
VardaValar1: You know your situation best.
FinduilasV has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya Finduilas
Menelvagor Valar: oh, and Phar, I ain't leaving WoW, just too addicted to it, I'm just reprioritising.
ArPharazonV: well, that's something
FinduilasV: Aiya
ArPharazonV: we just lost 2 druids, good friends of mine...
VardaValar1: We have some people who do WoW once or twice a week, or every other day.
FinduilasV: err dont know what s been said, , but i wont stop playing wow too, am a bit bound
VardaValar1: Fin, did you want to make any reports after a while?
FinduilasV: ok, agreeed
VardaValar1: Give the chair a whisper when ready.
VardaValar1: Any further web news?
VardaValar1: If not, then on to
VardaValar1: Gaming:
VardaValar1: Ok, Fin has web news
FinduilasV: yes, i have been given an add on for roleplayers in mmorpgs
FinduilasV: you can download it on
VardaValar1: Thank you, Finduilas.
FinduilasV: if you search for flagRSP there
FinduilasV: and download it
FinduilasV: its a useful tool for roleplayers

VardaValar1: Thank you, Finduilas. Don't die in WoW now. : )
VardaValar1: Did anyone play anything besides WoW this last week?
FinduilasV: no worries i wont
FinduilasV: a bit WoS
VardaValar1: Anyone else?
ArPharazonV: hmm... not really, except some browsergames... didn't have too much free time this week, and I have a lot of daily browsing to do atm :-)
VardaValar1: I have been playing a beta, and not on WoW as much, but haven't stopped WoW. : )
VardaValar1: Then on to WoW Lothar.
VardaValar1: Eonwe, go ahead when ready.
Eonwe Valar: Thanks :}
Eonwe Valar: This week took us(Eonwë, Varda, Fangorn, Ancalagon, Draxcil/Beline) once again into Blackrock Depths.
Eonwe Valar: Our first goal was to speak once again with Marshall Windsor for the Crumpled Up Note. Once he'd sent us on with A Shred of Hope, we decided to stop by the Keykeeper's area and get another Prison Cell Key.
Eonwe Valar: We then went on towards the bar to deal with General Angerforge and the Golemlord. The fight with General Angerforge went well for the most part, only losing one person in the battle, but taking the boss and his cronies down.
Eonwe Valar: The fight with the Golemlord went surprisingly smoother, having no deaths and taking down the boss quickly. We then went on to the bar, where Beline turned in the components for the Love Potion quest.
Eonwe Valar: Nearing the end of our time, we jumped down from the balcony to take on Incendius, and dispatching him completed another quest.
Eonwe Valar: We did try to make a fight back up to speak once again with Windsor, killing Fineous Darkvire on the way,
Eonwe Valar: but after deciding it would take too long to get back to him whichever way we went, decided to call it there and let those who needed to go leave.
Eonwe Valar: And thus ends the Lothar Report.
ArPharazonV: ah, cool... so the infamous Jailbreak quest next week?
Eonwe Valar: We'll see :}
VardaValar1: During the week on Lothar, some of us have been doing instances like Strat by filling in the missing numbers with outsiders.
VardaValar1: Also hoping to find a few new members that way.
VardaValar1: Uldaman server group has pulled back to playing lowbies and running the low instances like Rage Fire Chasm again.
Menelvagor Valar: excellent way of recruiting if I say so myself *grins*
VardaValar1: : )
VardaValar1: Time-honored system. : )
VardaValar1: Any other gaming news?
Menelvagor Valar: Legacy of the Phoenix downed Hakkar last tuesday!
VardaValar1: Congratulations!
Menelvagor Valar: thank you.
VardaValar1: WoW Euro report, pardon
ArPharazonV: Rising Star Alliance killed Maexxna again, and had its first tries on Patchwerk
ArPharazonV: I myself have spent most of this week preparing for Patchwerk, by trying to get all sorts of enchants on various pieces of my bear-tank-gear :-)
FinduilasV: Finduilasse has reached 30
FinduilasV: :-)
VardaValar1: : )
ArPharazonV: and I got myself to 230 frost resistance unbuffed
ArPharazonV: tested it against a frost-mage, died horribly, and thus decided it still needs some work ;-)
ArPharazonV: ..and that's it for me
FinduilasV: FinduilasV on lightbringer has finished most Westfall quests for her level, 15
FinduilasV: so i guess she will go for a long walk as soon as I can find the time
FinduilasV: and do bits and pieces on the way
FinduilasV: unfortunately i did not meet Dernhelm again so far, so i fear i have no more positive news oln the scouting front
ArPharazonV: I created myself an alt on that server for the purpose of signing the charter when it comes
FinduilasV: I will let you know, Phara
ArPharazonV: great :-)
VardaValar1: WoW Euro report done?
FinduilasV: /me nods
VardaValar1: Thanks Phar. : )

VardaValar1: Tolkien:
VardaValar1: We have two topics. The first one will be from Menelvagor.
Menelvagor Valar: Influenced a bit by Varda and a lot by my extreme tiredness and apparent obsession for sleep right now, here it is:
Menelvagor Valar: We all know that Elves have a different rhythm than mortals do, but how exactly, and when do they sleep?
VardaValar1: They seem to have perhaps more than one mode of sleep? Or not?
Glorfindel VG has entered the room.
Menelvagor Valar: and with that, I am heading off to catch some shuteye myself. (who can tell when stars sleep, eh? :-P)
VardaValar1: Aiya Glorfindel. : )
VardaValar1: Good night, Swordsman of the Sky : )
Glorfindel VG: Aiya! :-)
ArPharazonV: Namarie, Menel
FinduilasV: night night
FinduilasV: Namarie, Menel
Menelvagor Valar: but before I do, here's a pointer: Legolas standing with his eyes wide open when the search for Merry and Pippin began, seeming to peer into the distance.
Menelvagor Valar: Namarie!
Menelvagor Valar has left the room.
VardaValar1: Book grabbing
VardaValar1: Ok, here's what I think Menel is referring to:
VardaValar1: The three hunters follow the orcs until dark
VardaValar1: but they cannot see at night if the trail suddenly veers to one side or someone escapes or is dumped on the side of the trail.
VardaValar1: So Aragorn calls a halt.
VardaValar1: Aragorn was hardy, had not slept since their night "under the shadow of Tol Brandir"
VardaValar1: He woke before dawn, even so.
VardaValar1: He found Gimli still deep in slumber, as we would expect.
VardaValar1: Legolas does not sleep.
VardaValar1: as far as I can tell.
VardaValar1: The next night
VardaValar1: Legolas says "Now do I most grudge a time of rest or any halt in our chase"
VardaValar1: They are fighting against a force that makes them weary and lends strength to their foe, and yet are as capable as they are.
VardaValar1: The three hunters can be considered exceptional
VardaValar1: Then it says
VardaValar1: "As before Legolas was first afoot, if indeed he had ever slept."
VardaValar1: There are places that say he walks in a sort of dream of memories, when they are traveling.
VardaValar1: But he does not ever seem to really sleep until he feels protected by Gandalf.
ArPharazonV: sleeping with his eyes open?
ArPharazonV: daydreaming...
VardaValar1: Aye, Phar
FinduilasV: i would say rather rest their mind
VardaValar1: If he is just traveling and doesn't have to watch closely, he can get away with that odd form of sleep. I don't think he did it while following the hobbits.
FinduilasV has left the room.
FinduilasV has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Here's another spot
VardaValar1: They are outside Fangorn Forest
VardaValar1: He's lying down with "his eyes unclosed, blending living night and deep dream, as is the way with Elves."
FinduilasV: aye, thats what I was thinking of
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FinduilasV: i read it in a book somewhere,wish i had it here, a kind of interpretation of the Lord of the Rings
VardaValar1: I'm still looking for an example in the book of when he's sort of sleep-walking. I know it's there.
FinduilasV: and he wrote, rthat because Elves are not really part of the same lets say, Sphere, or are of a higher mind than Men, they are not in need of the same amount of sleep or in the same way
VardaValar1: Maybe one of you can spot it first. : )
FinduilasV: it was a bit weird, but interesting anyway, I will bring it back with me when I come back from holiday
Glorfindel VG: Something about legolas sleeping in his memory while his body remains awake
Glorfindel VG: I recall
Eonwe Valar: Do you remember the name of the book or who wrote it, Finduilas?
Eonwe Valar: Try in Lothlorien, Varda.
FinduilasV: Something or other of Middlearth, its been a while
FinduilasV: it had a bit of an astrologic look
Eonwe Valar: Master of Middle-Earth by Robert Foster?
FinduilasV: cant remember, its a relative thin book
FinduilasV: but i will bring rthose add ons from germany
Eonwe Valar: My copy of Master of Middle-Earth has Bilbo sitting at his writing desk :}
Eonwe Valar: Oh,pardon, it was Paul h. Kocher who wrote Master of Middle-Eart. Now I have to figure out what Robert Foster wrote...
Srekal86: Robert Foster did the Complete Guide to Middle-earth
Eonwe Valar: Thanks. Knew I had a book by him somewhere.
Eonwe Valar: And I knew it was a Tolkien book. :}
VardaValar1: back, sorry
VardaValar1: Here's a spot that might help:
VardaValar1: review.htm
VardaValar1: by Lungorthin and me. : )
VardaValar1: Sorry had to be absent a few minutes.
VardaValar1: Would you like to move to another topic, as no new words have been said lately?
Glorfindel VG: \is there any evidence from other elves that display this kind of wakeful sleep of the mind?
Glorfindel VG: aside from legolas
VardaValar1: He's the easiest to look up, as his companions consider it unusual and remark on it. Other elves don't remark on each other's normal behavior.
FinduilasV: I understand that they had a spefial attraction to starlight
VardaValar1: That would take a lot of digging, Glor.
Glorfindel VG: aye it would
FinduilasV: they awoke at the sight of them
ArPharazonV: was there anything on sleep in the story of Beren and Luthien? at Sauron's tower?
VardaValar1: Aye, the elves first woke under the stars at Lake Cuivienen.
VardaValar1: The coming of the sun meant the fading of the elves was coming, and the time of men was on its way.
FinduilasV: but i dont see any hint for them ever sleeping actually, not even at the beginning
VardaValar1: It's not usually an important part of the plot. : )
Glorfindel VG: And i dont remember glorfindel ever sleeping or needing rest on their journey to rivendel
Glorfindel VG: when the others did
Glorfindel VG: new topic :-) ?
VardaValar1: Hmm, one-third of my Fellowship book just fell out of the binding.
VardaValar1: Look it up, Glorfindel. : )
ArPharazonV: ouch
VardaValar1: Phar, you get to look up Finrod's bunch in Sauron's tower. : )
Eonwe Valar: Ouch
Eonwe Valar: Just found a part descussing, Elves, memory, and sleep in Master of Middle-Earth.
Eonwe Valar: *discussing
VardaValar1: Be careful of that book, as it is not well researched.
VardaValar1: but still good to look at. : )
Eonwe Valar: "...So in elves the difference between subjective and objective time produces tensions that tend to split their lives into two streams..."
Eonwe Valar: (Mostly quoting since Finduilas brought it up :})
Eonwe Valar: "
Eonwe Valar: inner and outer.
FinduilasV: /me grins wickedly
FinduilasV: Memory is a strange thing
ArPharazonV: hmm... it was stated in the Fellowship that Elves lived both in the normal world and the shadow world at once...
ArPharazonV: think they normally sleep in there?
Eonwe Valar: Men feel this difference, too, in lesser degree, but the greater reach od elvish minds and the deeper ache they feel from the transiency of things around them sharpens the split and turns them more inward.
Eonwe Valar: ....Eleves have built up out of their memories of the past an independent world, parallel to the present, into which they can retreat...."
Eonwe Valar: Then uses Gimli's sorrow for leaving Lothlorien as an example, mentioning shortly thereafter Legolas' sleep.
Eonwe Valar: "memory is more like to the waking world than to a dream. Not so for Dwarves."
Eonwe Valar: Anything I quoted sound familiar, Finduilas?
Glorfindel VG: aye i always loved that passage
FinduilasV: Yes, it did actually
Glorfindel VG: i dont know why i forgot it
FinduilasV: it rang a sort of bell
Eonwe Valar: Actually, Phar, it was Elves who had lived in Valinor that walked in both worlds at once.
ArPharazonV: ahh
ArPharazonV: so what I said has nothing to do with it... sorry, never read that particular book :-)
FinduilasV: oh my memories date back over ten years :-)
FinduilasV: so forgive if they are a bit foggy
Eonwe Valar: Legolas did seem to be able to see the ghosts of the Oathbreakers while others did not.
FinduilasV: :-)
Eonwe Valar: np Finduilas :}
Glorfindel VG: :-X
ArPharazonV: as for Finrod, there's nothing in the Silmarillion... so I'll check the lays of Beleriand now
Eonwe Valar: Any more on Elvish Sleep?
VardaValar1: ahh, ran across that quote you gave
VardaValar1: Gimli says it
Eonwe Valar: Aye.
VardaValar1: "Indeed I have heard that for them [elves] memory is more like to the waking world that to a dream."
Glorfindel VG: It does sound very nice to be able to escape into your memory as if it were a reality
VardaValar1: They have a very long memory too. : )
Glorfindel VG: I guess that makes up for the Elves' sadness to see the world around them change while they stay the same
VardaValar1: A lot to choose from.
FinduilasV: to the beginning of days, ah what a woeful fate
VardaValar1: They would be very aware of the changes then.
VardaValar1: Change is not always a bad thing. : )
Glorfindel VG: But at least they could still hold the past with them always
FinduilasV: Inddeed not *chuckles*
VardaValar1: Legolas is useful to represent the elves, and as one of the few we get to see with the differences contrasted to his companions.
VardaValar1: Not really trying to be Lego-centric here. : )
Glorfindel VG: hehe
VardaValar1: "The heart of Legolas was running under the stars of a summer night in some northern glade amid the beech-woods"
Eonwe Valar: Sounds like a nice place to be :}
ArPharazonV: nope, nothing about Felagund or his companions sleeping in the Tower... was a long shot, but I thought it might have something...
VardaValar1: Phar, it sounded like a good idea! Thanks for checking
Eonwe Valar: Try UT Phar, Tuor and his coming to Gondolin.
VardaValar1: I'm still hunting the walking/dreaming.
VardaValar1: Beleg maybe, since he traveled with humans?
VardaValar1: ugh, that flying Nazgul was actually flying towards the Company when shot out of the sky.
VardaValar1: Pardon, side-trips keep happening while looking up things. ;-)
FinduilasV: *sorry sil in back pack in car* sigh
ArPharazonV: it is said of Tuor and Voronwë that "They slept little and uneasily, and as the day wore..."
ArPharazonV: so they did sleep :-)
VardaValar1: so, you are running out to your car? : )
FinduilasV: should i :-)
FinduilasV: ;-)
VardaValar1: Good find, Phar!
FinduilasV: seci brb
ArPharazonV: but of course their journey had been long and hard, and even Elves may need to sleep once in a while if they're too tired to have the "wakeful sleep" be enough rest
ArPharazonV: later there's also this quote:
ArPharazonV: "Weary and spent Tuor slept beneath Ulmo's cloak; but Voronwe crept forth and stood like a stone silent, unmoving, piercing the shadows with his Elvish eyes. At break of day he woke Tuor..."
ArPharazonV: perhaps they do need sleep, but less actual sleep than Men?
FinduilasV: re
VardaValar1: Fellowship is not very helpful.
VardaValar1: I'm with you, Phar. Sounds like it.
VardaValar1: The waking sleep probably lets them need less full sleep too.
ArPharazonV: very true
VardaValar1: We know Legolas would sometimes lie down to sleep, even if his eyes were open. So they had at least one form similar to man's.
VardaValar1: Provable, I mean.
FinduilasV: i will keep my eyes open as i progress through the sil
FinduilasV: and let you know if i find something
VardaValar1: I wonder why Merry rides in front of Aragorn on the same horse, Pippin in front of Gandalf, but Gimli behind Legolas? RotK
VardaValar1: When a horse dips his head, it almost seems as if one has nothing in front, and it perhaps made Gimli nervous? : )
ArPharazonV: hehe
VardaValar1: Most obvious when taking them to a bit of grazing or water, though.
VardaValar1: Not so much when traveling.
VardaValar1: Legolas doesn't use a saddle and bridle, generally, so nothing for a passenger to hold to?
ArPharazonV: neither did Gandalf, I think?
Eonwe Valar: Gandalf rode Shadowfax bareback as well, didn't he?
Eonwe Valar: I believe Gandalf said normally he would use a saddle, but not for Shadowfax.
VardaValar1: Aye, right.
Eonwe Valar: If Shadowfax will bear you, you won't fall off. simple as that.
VardaValar1: True. : )
ArPharazonV: same for Pippin then perhaps :-)
FinduilasV: hmm, i think , if i had the chocie i d prefer sitting behind or bareback *chckles*
FinduilasV: i imagine it is a bit uncomfortable anyway
ArPharazonV: so it was ok for him to ride in front of Gandalf, as he won't fall off anyway
VardaValar1: And Aragorn used a saddle, so np.
Eonwe Valar: Aye.
VardaValar1: Gimli had to be tough to ride with Legolas bareback all that way then. : )
Eonwe Valar: He was a Dwarf :}Can't let an Elf show him up :}
VardaValar1: No dwarves or elves came to Helm's Deep. "They have no need to ride to war; war already marches on their own lands."
Eonwe Valar: Aye
VardaValar1: I think PJ had the elves because he originally intended Arwen to show up? Just a guess from some Arwen pics at Helm's Deep before they dropped the idea.
Eonwe Valar: Aye, I recall that as well.
Eonwe Valar: Glad they dropped it.
FinduilasV: she uses a saddle in the film, doesnt she?
Eonwe Valar: Better if they dropped the Elves too, heh.
Eonwe Valar: I hated that part, didn't look closely.
FinduilasV: i think she did but it is a rare mastery of horses that would be required
VardaValar1: hmm, think she rode side saddle.
VardaValar1: Not sure if she used a saddle, now I'll have to watch it again. : )
VardaValar1: Any excuse to look at horses. ;-)
FinduilasV: hehe
VardaValar1: I wish they had left out the elves at Helm's Deep too, but guess they wanted to have an elf in a death scene. What point in killing Haldir off, and his folk, unless to keep them from going on with Aragorn?
VardaValar1: br
VardaValar1: brb
ArPharazonV: guess it was a convenient way of giving Haldir more screentime, but basically leaving out Hama and Erkenbrand... unlike the books, it's not too useful to introduce too many characters in the movies
ArPharazonV: in the books it was Eomer that came in as last reinforcement, with Gandalf rallying Erkenbrand's forces for the sunrise of the battle
FinduilasV: hmmmm, shame they could not make more of Him
ArPharazonV: in the movies the Elves came in as last reinforcements, while Gandalf retrieved Eomer's forces for that battle
ArPharazonV: also Haldir was used as dramatic casualty instead of Hama at Helm's Deep
ArPharazonV: simply way of cutting out redundant characters and giving others more screentime
ArPharazonV: same reason they replaced Glorfindel with Arwen
FinduilasV: and the way they met , yikes
FinduilasV: i guess tolkien would make a somersault in his grave
FinduilasV: "What is this? A ranger that doesn't pay attention?/"
FinduilasV: Something along those lines, hehe
ArPharazonV: :-)
Srekal86: "A ranger caught off his guard?" I believe.
ArPharazonV: sorry, bit distracted, watching the new tier 4 sets from WoW Burning Crusade
ArPharazonV: 9640 for those interested
FinduilasV: hihi i was just checking the silmarillion thread on the LotO forum, at least it was not me this time, who killed of the thread :-)  [Note: Blizzard]
ArPharazonV: warrior and warlock look amazing...
VardaValar1: Back. Pardon, daughter has food poisoning, and others also needed some attention
ArPharazonV: youch, what'd she eat?
VardaValar1: We're not sure. Could've been at either of two places.
VardaValar1: aye, "What's this? A Ranger caught off his guard?"
VardaValar1: I like his expression, long-suffering from the likes of elves or Arwen?
VardaValar1: but totally not canon.
VardaValar1: Aye, the movies had to cut down the number of characters.
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VardaValar1: Bakshi movie sent Legolas to meet them instead of Glorfindel.
VardaValar1: The movie would have had to go into an explanation of why didn't they send Glorfindel on the Fellowship, unnecessary screen use I guess.
FinduilasV: Oh well , i guess time to go for me
VardaValar1: Aye, late for you
VardaValar1: Thanks for coming. : )
ArPharazonV: Namarie, Finduilas!
FinduilasV: just a quick note that i wont be here the next two sundays due to holiday
VardaValar1: Gilraen may be asleep already. : )
FinduilasV: but hopefully back with my resoucers from over there
VardaValar1: Thanks, Fin. We'll miss your cheery voice.
ArPharazonV: Fladrif just went to bed as well
VardaValar1: Phar should be as well. : )
ArPharazonV: neh, I have the day off tomorrow
FinduilasV: I will miss ye ,-)
VardaValar1: Amazing how Europe lasts so well into the wee hours, yet we can't hardly bring in America.
FinduilasV: Namarie so long and may the light protext you!
VardaValar1: Fin, we hope to see you again in three Sundays!
FinduilasV: protect even
VardaValar1: May Irmo send you lovely dreams. : )
FinduilasV: I will be there :-)
FinduilasV: L)
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VardaValar1: I think this gavel wants to hit the table now, falling, falling...
VardaValar1: *thump*

VardaValar1: After-meeting!
VardaValar1: Go work, play, whatever : )
VardaValar1: Any going to games?
ArPharazonV: I found a website with all South Park episodes, and watching a few now and then.. after that I might go back to WoW :-)
VardaValar1: You should probably sleep, Phar!
VardaValar1: Have a good night, either way. : )
VardaValar1: Namarie all
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ArPharazonV: ok, saving and sending