Valar Guild

November 26, 2006 Meeting

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Ar-Pharazon-(V) and Varda-(Valar)

Attending (14):
    Members: Ancalagon-(V)/Sarujil, ArPharazonV, Arwen V1, CaranthirV, Dis-(V)/Disvandl, Eonwe Valar, FinduilasV, FladrifV, Gilraen-(V)/Star of Phaet, Glorfindel VG, Lungorthin-(Valar)/sauronjag, Orodreth V/Oessala, VardaValar1 (presiding).
    Visitor: Russ82275 (said nothing, just popped in and lurked peacefully, no problem)

    Our guild RP on our Forum.
Meeting begins
    New article: "Ar-Pharazôn: from Armenelos to Aman" in English
    Topic 1: Ancalagon-(V) found a meaty article explaining what is happening to PJ for the next two Middle-earth movies of the Hobbit and the LotR prequel.
    Topic 2: The first line in the most recent article sent to us said: "Aman, the blessed kingdom, where the Valar live lazing around in Valinor, is the Tolkienan Olympus if we can say that." So, can he say that? : )

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Eonwe Valar: Heya
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ArPharazonV: Aiya, welcome all to the chatroom!
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Star of Phaet: Aiya folks!
sauronjag: Heyas :-)
VardaValar1: Aiya!
FinduilasV: Aiya :-) was faster Eonwe hehe
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Disvandl has entered the room.
Disvandl: hi
FinduilasV: Aiya there
VardaValar1: Aiya
Eonwe Valar: :}
Eonwe Valar: Oh, in case you haven't seen it, new RP post :}
FinduilasV: runs
VardaValar1: Thanks, Eonwe. Was feeling neglected in there. : )
ArPharazonV: bit absent, watching a 40 druids vs Onyxia movie ;-)
Sarujil has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya Ancalagon
FinduilasV: Aiya there :-)
FinduilasV: hope you are ok with me npcing Dain there, Eonwe
Eonwe Valar: I was going to do it when you got back from vacation, but you beat me to it :}
VardaValar1: Speedy folks : )
VardaValar1: They are talking about the Lord of the Rings Online text role-play on the guild's regular Forum
VardaValar1: I hope the rest of you have had a chance to look at it at sometime. : )
VardaValar1: We have a lot of fun with it and would be happy to have more of you join in
ArPharazonV: that's the movie, for those interested :-)
Eonwe Valar: And it took them all 40 Druids? shame :}
VardaValar1: Ok, let's start
FinduilasV: brb ..

VardaValar1: Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo!
VardaValar1: Membership:
VardaValar1: No new members this week. Some have inquired about being Tolkien-onlies.
VardaValar1: Has anyone been scouting? Find any likely guild-friends or potential members or Tolkien-onlies?
VardaValar1: I have not been very active this week. Had a lot of Thanksgiving activites
Russ82275 has entered the room.
FinduilasV: nothing ,sigh , i fear it really only works when i can test them myself
VardaValar1: Hello. May we be of service Russ?
VardaValar1: I may be facing a nasty work deadline, but will see what I can do.

VardaValar1: Web:
VardaValar1: New article:
VardaValar1: "Ar-Pharazôn: from Armenelos to Aman" in English
VardaValar1: His opinions are not necessarily ours, but we defend his right to have his own opinions. : )
Eonwe Valar: Unless he believes Pharazon became a Vala. I'm not defending that :}
VardaValar1: Some work on the A-Z Encyclopedia menu, but incomplete.
VardaValar1: hehe, Eonwe
Eonwe Valar: (Haven't read it, making a joke :})
ArPharazonV: the "vulgar presence of mortal beings"? ;-)
VardaValar1: hehe
VardaValar1: I intend to bring this article back up for the Tolkien section, be warned. ;-)
VardaValar1: Any other Webwork, webmasters?

VardaValar1: Gaming:
VardaValar1: Has anyone played a game besides WoW or the betas that we aren't allowed to mention?
ArPharazonV: what? me? a victim of insanity? how dare he!
VardaValar1: Spider Solitaire even. ;-)
VardaValar1: um, accurate there anyway.
ArPharazonV: started playing Red Alert 2 again
VardaValar1: Would you want to give a review on it?
Star of Phaet: I re-installed Diablo 2 and Heroes of Might & Magic IV
Star of Phaet: didn't actually play either, though :-\
ArPharazonV: hmm... you mean in article-form or in here?
VardaValar1: Nice, Gilraen. Do you have the D2 Expansion?
Star of Phaet: indeed I do
VardaValar1: Phar, would you like to make some comments on it here?
VardaValar1: May have to run a game with you sometime, Gilraen!
ArPharazonV: well, I've only been playing the campaigns, and have little experience with multiplayer
FinduilasV: I have played WCIIi , reign of chaos
ArPharazonV: it seems a little easy, but then again, I've been playing on the easy mode...
Star of Phaet: we should! It's been a while since the guild d2x games :-)
VardaValar1: How do the campaigns look starting out?
VardaValar1: MMORPG's took us over badly, Gilraen. : )
VardaValar1: Cool, Fin. : )
ArPharazonV: they look good, there's a nice story, and cinematics with briefings with reallife video-footage and real actors, as is common in the Command and Conquer series
VardaValar1: Phar, so the Easy mode works at least. : )
ArPharazonV: yup, it does ;-)
FinduilasV: ah its good fun, just having trouble with leveling good Arthas up '-)
ArPharazonV: started like last night, already almost done with the Russian campaign
VardaValar1: If he would just stay good or reform. Alas.
VardaValar1: No sleeping for Phar.
ArPharazonV: oh, I've slept last night too
ArPharazonV: and I've raided this afternoon
ArPharazonV: so I've played less RA2 than you'd expect, even ;-)
VardaValar1: Egad, Golden One! Don't forget to breathe.
VardaValar1: On to WoW
VardaValar1: Argent Dawn folk, any luck starting the latest charter?
VardaValar1: Picked who's carrying it?
FladrifV: skjold is 60!!, sorry had to tell it :-)
VardaValar1: lol! Way to go, Fladrif!
VardaValar1: Making 60 is certainly worth a brag!
FladrifV: just 1 hour ago or so
FinduilasV: Find 43 ..
VardaValar1: *throws confetti all over the ent*
FinduilasV: ;-D
ArPharazonV: grats Skjöld!
FinduilasV: grats, man :-)
ArPharazonV: though I knew it already ;-)
VardaValar1: So you already had your confetti ready! Good!
FladrifV: still its news of today
VardaValar1: Thanks Fladrif. That is real news. :
FladrifV: so its quick for an ent ;-)
VardaValar1: hehe
VardaValar1: Ok, so we don't have a charter going on Argent Dawn yet?
FinduilasV: *taps foot impatiently* > finduilasse
ArPharazonV: and he's staying shadow! go go odd-specced lvl 60s!
VardaValar1: hehe, poor Fin. You know how big an ent's foot is?
FladrifV: lol
FinduilasV: no charter no
VardaValar1: Any further news for WoW Euro?
ArPharazonV: well, I heard news the new patch is coming soon
FinduilasV: /me shakes head
ArPharazonV: and it's already been available for download, at least most of the data
ArPharazonV: 653 mb, completed the download today
VardaValar1: We are now figuring out where to put a thread on the Valar Forum for WoW Euro chat about doings.
ArPharazonV: unofficial date seems to be december 6
VardaValar1: Big download. Thanks, Phar
VardaValar1: Suggestion on the thread location or do you want a full section, Europe?
VardaValar1: 653 mb, ouch
FinduilasV: I think we should have one for Argent dawn
ArPharazonV: well, we could do it in the main WoW section, I don't believe we generate enough news to earn our own complete section
FinduilasV: the other servers are not so important as most of us are gathered on AD
VardaValar1: How big an area do you need? An Argent Dawn thread in the WoW area?
VardaValar1: Aye, it would be for actual Valar member news
FinduilasV: sounds right to me
VardaValar1: If you need more later, holler and we'll rearrange
VardaValar1: Valar are also welcome to use the Ventrilo
VardaValar1: It should work for Euro just as well
VardaValar1: The how-to on that is in the WoW forum under General.
VardaValar1: If it's as clear as my usual directions and you need help, let me know. : )
VardaValar1: Alatar is sometimes seen on Ventrilo if you guys want to catch him on the spot and add a new Valar WoW Euro section on it
VardaValar1: Or you can chat with all of us, at will : )
VardaValar1: How's that sound?
FinduilasV: i need to get a headphone and micro ;-)
VardaValar1: That would help a lot
FinduilasV: /laughs
FinduilasV: /me laughs
VardaValar1: You can still hear from the speakers on the comp
VardaValar1: Phar, Fladrif, how about you?
FladrifV: mic present
ArPharazonV: no mic, but I can always listen
VardaValar1: Fladrif will rule the airwaves!
FladrifV: as how it should be
ArPharazonV: eep! *leaves ventrilo*
VardaValar1: My headset was about $10, whatever that is in pounds. Not too bad.
VardaValar1: hehe
FladrifV: devide by 1.2 time 1.45
VardaValar1: You will have to make yourself sea-worthy again, Phar
ArPharazonV: my sea-castle is doing fine without fancy-smancy electronics! they'd just get wet and short-circuit anyway...
VardaValar1: Lothar guys all know how to use it I hope. If not, give a yell by email if you need to. Or we can work it out here.
VardaValar1: Fladrif is now trying to work out the Ventrilo
VardaValar1: Is anyone else on it right now?
VardaValar1: ahh, dl'ing it will help, aye : )
VardaValar1: Ok, Eonwe says he's about ready with the WoW Lothar server report.
VardaValar1: Go Eonwe!
ArPharazonV: I need to pick.. "clients" I suppose?
Eonwe Valar: Ok, here we go! :}
Eonwe Valar: This week took Eonwë, Sauron, Arwen, and Merry deep into Blackrock Depths. Our destination: the bar and beyond.
Eonwe Valar: We were joined in the first half of this journey by Arathorn, who came with us up to the bar and helped us make an attempt at Hurley Blackbreath. We didn't quite get Hurley,..
Eonwe Valar: or rather, we got him, but his cronies got us. At this point, Arathorn took his leave. The rest of us challenged Ribbley Screwspigot, and were more successful ensuring his and his cronies' demise.
Eonwe Valar: Once that was accomplished, we pushed on past the bar, killing what appeared to be a Naga ambassador, who insisted on calling in "small" fire elementals.
Eonwe Valar: Our armor was pretty beaten up at this point, so before we proceeded too much further, Merry called in a repair bot, who gladly fixed our armor for a few gold (makes me wonder where he spends it).
Eonwe Valar: Ready to continue, we fought a giant golem boss roaming the room ahead, drawing him into the hallway where his friends could not see him.
VardaValar1: Wish the gold would go to Merry!
Eonwe Valar: Bringing him down, we walked into the room carefully and chose our path. Fighting along the top, we slew those in our way as we headed for the far end.
Eonwe Valar: We then snuck down the ledge and through the door, coming to a room filled with ghosts.
sauronjag has left the room.
Eonwe Valar: And not just any ghosts, but Dwarf ghosts.
Eonwe Valar: After offering some metals and rubies to one of these ghosts, I was able to learn the art of smelting Dark Iron.
Eonwe Valar: But alas! This ghost did not remember the service I had just paid it, as he attacked us with his bretheren when he sought passage through the tomb.
Eonwe Valar: *when we sought passage..
Eonwe Valar: After a few tries, it was evident we could not undertake this challenge in our present state, and so we sought out Incendius and Darkvire instead.
Eonwe Valar: Meting out punishment for their heinous acts, we then turned our attention to exploration.
Eonwe Valar: Arwen had noticed a ledge below Incendius' platform, and so we made our way for it.
Eonwe Valar: From there, we saw an island amidst the lava across the way, and sought for a safe landing from which to make our way to it.
Eonwe Valar: Once there, we found the island inhabited by Fireguards.
Eonwe Valar: Dealing with them carefully, we sought further opportunities to increase our chances of exploration, fighting whatever dangers stood in our way,
Eonwe Valar: and eventually found our way to the Dark Iron Forge, where I happily smelted all my Dark Iron :}
Eonwe Valar: We also found ourselves near a bridge that led deeper into the heart of Blackrock Mountain.
Eonwe Valar: Disposing of the guards on both sides of the bridge, we found a mineral deposit upon the other side from which we gathered crystals.
Eonwe Valar: With a shimmering portal standing before us, we four adventurous types had no choice but to enter...
Eonwe Valar: ... and find ourselves in the Molten Core :}
Eonwe Valar: Once inside, we took pictures of the beginning area, and decided we'd try our luck.
ArPharazonV: ..ouch ;-)
Eonwe Valar: We charged ferociously at them, and they begged so hard not to be killed, so we let them live :}
VardaValar1: um, yeah. Right. uh huh. :-)
ArPharazonV: sure, sure...
Eonwe Valar: What, you don't believe me? :}
FinduilasV: ye forgive '-)
ArPharazonV: poor molten giants probably died from laughter ;-)
FinduilasV: /me chuckles
FladrifV: everyone who like to speak an ent, Im on ventrilio
VardaValar1: A wonderful report, Eonwe! And wonderful progress!
Eonwe Valar: But serious;y, Our guild questing has taken its first official step into Molten Core :}
VardaValar1: Yay Fladrif!
ArPharazonV: yay, I'm in the ventrilo channel ;-)
VardaValar1: Now maybe next time I won't have to loan my comp to Merry and can run a priest with you. :-)
VardaValar1: Two on Ventrilo! You'll have to do the talking, Flad : )
Eonwe Valar: That would be good having a fifth and the fifth being your talented Priest :}
VardaValar1: *curtsys*
Eonwe Valar: Especially for that tomb fight :}
VardaValar1: I didn't quite chew off a table leg watching you guys over the shoulder a few times. : )
Eonwe Valar: :}
VardaValar1: But really, congratulations on 4-manning your way to Molten Core!
Eonwe Valar: Too bad Arwen, Merry, and Sauron aren't here to take a bow too :}
VardaValar1: Anyone else able to jump into Ventrilo with Phar and Flad?
VardaValar1: Merry and Sauron already did, hehe
ArPharazonV: trying to get Finduilas started, maybe you can help :-)
Eonwe Valar: ok :}
Eonwe Valar: Ok to Varda, that is :}
VardaValar1: Flad and Phar, are you working with Fin?
ArPharazonV: she's installing now, or setting up
VardaValar1: yay : )
VardaValar1: That should help a lot
VardaValar1: eventually : )
Arwen V1 has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar: Heya Arwen :}
VardaValar1: Arwen, now is your chance to take a bow for the Molten Core opening. : )
Arwen V1: hehe yay!
Arwen V1: It was fun :-)
ArPharazonV: well, come the expansion, MC should be doable without about 10 people at lvl 70
ArPharazonV: so you might pull it off eventually ;-)
VardaValar1: We just need our 60's to quit disappearing when they hit 60
VardaValar1: We could put together a nice group then
VardaValar1: But we'll manage as always : )
VardaValar1: Any further business before Tolkien?
ArPharazonV: hmm... Fin seems to have trouble with Vent
VardaValar1: Tolkien:
VardaValar1: or not
VardaValar1: What's the problem?
VardaValar1: (A word to the Wise: grab your Silmarillion for later.)
ArPharazonV: doesn't seem to be able to type in the servername
ArPharazonV: maybe you can help her better than I can?
VardaValar1: Fladrif may be Fin's best bet

VardaValar1: Tolkien:
VardaValar1: We have two topics
VardaValar1: The first is from Ancalagon
VardaValar1: Movie news concerning the Hobbit
VardaValar1: I'm going to take a short break to let you read it or set up Vent, then on to a Sil topic.
FinduilasV: set up and i can hear Flad '-)
VardaValar1: yay!
VardaValar1: Back
ArPharazonV: so can I, but neither of us can talk back :-)
FinduilasV: it is funny lol
VardaValar1: I would love to talk to you, would have to move to another comp on another floor. :-(
VardaValar1: Did anyone get to look at the article found by Ancalagon?
FinduilasV: can you give the link again please?
VardaValar1: scroll is good, but sure
VardaValar1: A bit long, trying to give you guys a minute, then let you comment.
Glorfindel VG has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya Glorfindel!
ArPharazonV: still reading, hang on
Glorfindel VG: hello :-)
VardaValar1: Glorfindel, here's what we are looking at
VardaValar1: Say something when you guys are done and are back. : )
FinduilasV: I am done
ArPharazonV: not yet!
FinduilasV: oops sorry italics
VardaValar1: Thanks Fin : )
VardaValar1: Fangorn and Sauron say hi. Back from building fence.
VardaValar1: Fangorn may be getting on Ventrilo with you shortly : )
FinduilasV: we keep him busy grin
VardaValar1: You bet : )
VardaValar1: He's finding an Ent-draught first. : )
ArPharazonV: ok, finished the article
VardaValar1: Thanks Phar
ArPharazonV: I'd read it before in the newspaper, but never found out the reasons behind it
VardaValar1: That was a good article, lot of meat.
Disvandl: saw it earlier
VardaValar1: Way to go Dis. So you're ready to talk about it. : )
VardaValar1: Ok, PJ was willing to make the Hobbit and go with a potential LotR "prequel".
ArPharazonV: but as was said... whoever will be the new filmmakers, those are some very big shoes to fill :-(
VardaValar1: One wonders if they will still shoot in New Zealand or use WETA.
FinduilasV: ent shoes ..
FladrifV: I dont wear shoes!
VardaValar1: There's a time limit on the movie rights, and the lawsuit is liable to run them over time
FinduilasV: he or they will have stff reputation to live up to
VardaValar1: PJ doesn't want to tie the lawsuit settlement to directing the Hobbit, but when he didn't do that right away, was told they were looking for another director.
VardaValar1: Any comments on the article or the upcoming movies?
ArPharazonV: I'm just preparing to be disappointed...
ArPharazonV: but hey, who knows
ArPharazonV: it might not turn out that bad with other filmmakers...
Eonwe Valar: Gotta stick with your convictions. Kudos to PJ for doing that.
VardaValar1: Aye, Phar. It might have a different crew, rather than the ones experienced with making the LotR sets and equipment.
FinduilasV: i dont know ..., is it going to be the hobbit or a completely different version of the Lotr Prequel??
VardaValar1: Aye, Eonwe
VardaValar1: It's two movies
VardaValar1: The Hobbit, then another movie
FinduilasV: hmph
ArPharazonV: wonder what they're going to throw in that other movie, though
FinduilasV: there have been lots of events
VardaValar1: That sounds like it might be totally invented, which bothers me.
Eonwe Valar: It might include stuff running in the background of the Hobbit, i.e. tossing Sauron out of Dol Guldor.
VardaValar1: A giant fanfic
Eonwe Valar: I think I'd treat an invented movie the same way I treat LotR: The Third Age : I'll get it when it's in the bargain bin.
VardaValar1: What is that?
Eonwe Valar: LotR: The Third Age is a very poor attempt at originality in Tolkien's world by EA.
VardaValar1: ahh, ok. : )
FinduilasV: oor , sounds horrible
Eonwe Valar: very poor attempt.
Eonwe Valar: The names are horribly derived.
Eonwe Valar: The story interferes with the actual writings of Tolkien.
FinduilasV: normally I would not judge anything before I see it, but I feel similar to you. Varda
VardaValar1: I expect I'd see the film at least once.
VardaValar1: I read fanfic too. But will try not to grind my teeth too loudly.
Eonwe Valar: I'm sure I'd watch it. Question is whether I'd pay for a ticket, soda, and popcorn to see it.
VardaValar1: Eat first. ;-)
FinduilasV: maybe not ...
ArPharazonV: neh, will probably download it from emule or kazaa first, then buy it if I like it :-)
VardaValar1: It might turn out well. Reserving judgement for now, in hope.
Eonwe Valar: Popcorn and soda are part of the movie going experience :} If a movie isn't worth shelling out a couple extra bucks to increase the experience, I probably shouldn't have bought the ticket :}
VardaValar1: hehe Phar.
FinduilasV: You shall find hope in unlikely places ..
VardaValar1: Fangorn says that's a good measure.
VardaValar1: Ok, shall we move on to another topic then?
Eonwe Valar: That's how I see it at least. Your opinions may differ :}
VardaValar1: Actually, Eonwe, sounds right.
FinduilasV: We cant say , anything any way, i sure would be curious to see it
ArPharazonV: yup
FinduilasV: may be may nose will bother me strong enough
ArPharazonV: I just hope they go with the same actors as much as possible...
VardaValar1: That would be a plus if they can.
VardaValar1: They'd better hurry. Some are liable to be getting old.
FinduilasV: who doesn't ?
ArPharazonV: indeed, poor Saruman must be ancient by now :-)
VardaValar1: Make-up artists will just have to work hard.
ArPharazonV: I believe he was already 80 when Lotr was filmed/brought out
ArPharazonV: imagine poor guy dying on the set...
VardaValar1: I'd have to look that up, no idea. He was in very good shape then.
Glorfindel VG: I say let Bakshi cover The Hobbit
FinduilasV: gawks, Phara
VardaValar1: Mercy, Glorfindel!
Glorfindel VG: haha
Glorfindel VG: He deserves another chance though, with a decent budget :-)
VardaValar1: *crickets chirp*
VardaValar1: No one wants to comment on that one, Glorfindel. ;-)
ArPharazonV: sorry, trying to control my darker side after that remark of mine ;-)
FinduilasV: Well , thinking about the istari ...
VardaValar1: All the directors left you out, anyway : )
FinduilasV: Que sera ,sera
Eonwe Valar: No, Glor. I say confine Bakshi to the opposite side of the world from where The Hobbit is being made :}
FinduilasV: Whatever will be will be
ArPharazonV: the future's not ours to see...
VardaValar1: Speak for yourself, Phar. ;-)
ArPharazonV: hehe
Glorfindel VG: hehehe :-)
ArPharazonV: just continuing the song!
FinduilasV: /me grins evilly
VardaValar1: j/k I happen to like that song. : )
VardaValar1: Recently, a new article on Ar-Pharazon was sent in
VardaValar1: To cause confusion in this chat, we must discuss it.
VardaValar1: No, on second thought, how about the first sentence in it? : )
Eonwe Valar: Well, ok, but only beacuse it'll cause confusion... ;}
VardaValar1: lol Eonwe
VardaValar1: Here's the quote of the first line:
VardaValar1: "Aman, the blessed kingdom, where the Valar live lazing around in Valinor, is the Tolkienan Olympus if we can say that."
VardaValar1: So, can he say that? : )
ArPharazonV: lazing around, eh?
Eonwe Valar: Hmm, lazgin around eh?
Eonwe Valar: *lazing
FinduilasV: hardly lazing around, me thinks
Eonwe Valar: I don't remember doing all that much lazing around when I led the armies of the Valar to victory against Morgoth in the War of Wrath :}
ArPharazonV: what would you do if you were a godlike being who had closed himself off from most of the world...
FinduilasV: Indeed, according to the sil all did work very hard
FinduilasV: and Morgoth his best to distroy all that hard work
VardaValar1: Phar, were they really closed off?
Eonwe Valar: The Valar are certainly more active even in the Third Age than the Greek gods were.
ArPharazonV: well, sure, but not as active as before
VardaValar1: I winced at the comparison to Olympus, not my favorite pantheon. : )
ArPharazonV: hmm... pardon me for saying this
ArPharazonV: but I like Fangorn's accent :-)
VardaValar1: True, once they had created the world as far as they could, and withdrew to Aman, they were less active in the world. Already had it built.
Eonwe Valar: The Valar were active, but not visible. The Greek gods were just lazy petty beings.
VardaValar1: Fangorn has a wonderful accent, I quite agree. :-)
Eonwe Valar: Zeus doesn't even begin to compare to Manwë.
FinduilasV: hehe apart from weaving intrigues , grin, according to Hollywod ;-)
VardaValar1: The Valar mostly pulled back when the Exiles left, and waited the reconciliation they were arranging through Earendil.
Eonwe Valar: Melkor could squash Hades.
FinduilasV: They watched though, didn't they
FinduilasV: and worried ..
ArPharazonV: you would compare Hades to Melkor? hmm...
VardaValar1: Manwe kept a constant watch on Middle-earth
FinduilasV: /me nods
VardaValar1: Varda listened constantly. They teamed up
Eonwe Valar: Melkor's hammer Grond was called the Hammer of the Underworld.
VardaValar1: Ulmo was in all the waters, working with Middle-earth even when they were supposed to be separated.
VardaValar1: Mandos' operations with the dying never ceased.
FinduilasV: he did involve more with the exiles than any other
FinduilasV: and his power ran long in the Valley of Sirion
VardaValar1: Irmo continued with dreams and visions.
VardaValar1: They made sure events unfolded so that Earendil would come to them at last.
ArPharazonV: I'd compare Mandos more to Hades... as in their part of the mythology, that is
FinduilasV: Sure, Phara, when you think of his halls
FinduilasV: and what they were used for
ArPharazonV: and comparing darkness and evil... maybe Typhon would be a better comparison to Melkor?
Eonwe Valar: I'm not sure there is a proper comparison to Mandos. Mandos held knowledge of things yet to happen. The Greel gods were fairly limited in their knowledge as I recall.
FinduilasV: he is named Irmo, and his halls are called Mandos
Eonwe Valar: Namo actually :}
Eonwe Valar: Irmo would be Lorien :}
FinduilasV: /me blushes
VardaValar1: Sorry, Namo runs Mandos. Irmo, his brother, runs Lorien.
FinduilasV: /me bows
FinduilasV: Admitted
VardaValar1: No worries. Typos happen.
FinduilasV: Still confusing names although I am getting better ;-
VardaValar1: Practice fixes it. Lots of Sil talk helps.
VardaValar1: Knowing some Valar helps
Eonwe Valar: The relationship between Manwë and Melkor seems more like that of Zeus and Hades if my memory of Greek mythology still serves me well.
FinduilasV: :-)
VardaValar1: Sorry you folks didn't get to know Namo-(Valar)
Eonwe Valar: As I recall, both pairs are brothers.
ArPharazonV: true that, Eonwe
ArPharazonV: hmm... wasn't there a third to those 2?
Eonwe Valar: If there was, I don't remember his name.
ArPharazonV: oh, poseidon
Eonwe Valar: Another difference between Manwë and Zeus. Zeus was always cheating on his wife. Manwë would never even consider that.
FladrifV: in that prespective you can clearly see the time difference when it was written
VardaValar1: The Greek pantheon had to be adapted as different countries were taken over, thus a great deal of "philandering" to assimilate the new deities in various ways.
FinduilasV: I think, with tolkien you have so many things ...
FinduilasV: that influenced him , and you can see the origins ..
FinduilasV: but in the end he made one own individual and completely new world out of it
FinduilasV: I agree there are parallels and such comparisons lie niear
Eonwe Valar: Mostly it was a Celtic/Norse influence.
VardaValar1: He chose what he liked best and worked it to fit his languages and his own likes also.
VardaValar1: He wanted a really good mythology for England
FinduilasV: yes indeed, I read in the Lost Tales he intended Tol Eressea being England
FinduilasV: I like thhose early stories a lot , with the Seafarerer .. a true son of Earendil, hehe, meaning an adventurer and one with an inquenchable thirst for travel and investivgation
Eonwe Valar: It's kind of odd to group all the Exiled elves there though, just to at some point in time uproot the island and drag it off from where the Elves wanted to go in the first place.
VardaValar1: ahh, disagreements on what to do with the Elves. : )
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Orodreth V has entered the room.
Oessala: Aiya
ArPharazonV: Aiya
FinduilasV: aiya , you two
VardaValar1: Aiya Orodreth and Doppelganger. :-)
VardaValar1: Welcome to the Tolkien chat section
Oessala: Was at work, just got back and started dinner before I came here.
VardaValar1: So, what's for dinner? We had turkey and pie.
Oessala: cornbread thingstuff.
VardaValar1: stuffing?
Oessala: I think there's ham in it.
FinduilasV: Chicken Kiev and rice ..
Oessala: It's good, that's all I care about.
VardaValar1: Aye : )
VardaValar1: We were just discussing for a few seconds this line from an article:
VardaValar1: Aman, the blessed kingdom, where the Valar live lazing around in Valinor, is the Tolkienan Olympus if we can say that.
Star of Phaet: I'm off, folks. Namarie.
Oessala: for everyone who dosn't care, next expansion for eve comes out tuesday.
VardaValar1: and tangented onto a comparison of the Valar and the Greek pantheon etc
ArPharazonV: Namarie!
FinduilasV: Namarie!
Oessala: if you tried it out before, try it again after the patchday blues go away.
VardaValar1: We care, thanks, Orodreth
VardaValar1: Namarie!
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Oessala: Heh, we using greek or roman interpretations? there are some differences.
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VardaValar1: Actually, I was trying to see if you guys thought the Valar were doing anything or just lazing around. :-)
FinduilasV: /me yawns sleepily
FinduilasV: Somehow there were some late nights recently ..
VardaValar1: Ok, maybe we should call it a night and let Europe sleep. : )
FladrifV: *cheer*
FladrifV: sleep
FinduilasV: beem bamging sea giants and gorrilas at impossible times (grin(
VardaValar1: hehe - the sleepy ent approves
ArPharazonV: oh, I kited Borelgore to Light's Hope Chapel this week, not too far...
ArPharazonV: but I've been given the challenge to kite the big elite larva-ish being all the way to Goldshire
VardaValar1: *bangs gavel*
ArPharazonV: should be interesting :-)
VardaValar1: After-meeting declared
FinduilasV: /-)
FinduilasV: :-)
FinduilasV: my concentration is just detieriorating
VardaValar1: Understandable. What time is it for you, Fin?
FinduilasV: not too bad seventeen past midnight
VardaValar1: and work in the morning?
FladrifV: 1:17 am
FladrifV: have to get up at 6
FinduilasV: aye but only at eleven, but usually i gert up at eight for .. er...
FladrifV: yieks
Oessala: Anyone who dosn't have a job, don't work guest services in retail. you'll go mad.
Oessala: just as a fyi
FinduilasV: I wonder what ;-)
VardaValar1: Work is called work for a reason. : )
FinduilasV: /me looks completely innocent
FladrifV: work is fun
FladrifV: that is how it should be
ArPharazonV: eh, 1:17, gotta get up at 11...
FladrifV: :P
ArPharazonV: so it's still fine for me ;-)
VardaValar1: Have a good morning then : )
Oessala: Varda: yea, but I'd rather work electronics like I applied for.. :p
VardaValar1: Work should be fun, if you're lucky! aye
VardaValar1: Let's go work for WETA : )
ArPharazonV: hehe
FinduilasV: hehe, have fun guys :-) It certainly was for me tonight
VardaValar1: Excellent : )
Eonwe Valar: Sleep well Finduilas :}
Oessala: two days is not long enough to know all the wierd things coustomers will want. sigh.
FinduilasV: :-)
FinduilasV: NamarieQ
VardaValar1: May Irmo send you fun dreams!
FinduilasV: !
FinduilasV: )
Oessala: and I can't figure out what is reticketed and what isn't for the life of me. >.<
FinduilasV: /me waves
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FladrifV: namarie
Oessala: but it's money.
Oessala: which I've wanted for some time now, so, eh.\
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Oessala: but yea. try out eve again a few days after kali.
Oessala: from what I've seen on the test server, it's going to be much different in some ways.
Oessala: more newbie friendly, for one.
VardaValar1: A reminder to the group: we will be setting up next year's Member roster.
ArPharazonV: egad, that time of the year already? ;-)
VardaValar1: Anyone showing up to these last meetings of the year will be considered still active unless you say you want out.
VardaValar1: Aye, November is coming to a close and people take a lonnnng time to respond.
ArPharazonV: tough choice, but I think I'll stay :-)
VardaValar1: o good : )
Oessala: Gee, Varda, I just don't know...
Oessala: Boy, I think I'll have to say I stay...
VardaValar1: Nice : )
Oessala: Not that I game anymore with ya'll. :-(
VardaValar1: Not required, and you might later
ArPharazonV: heh, I don't even have time to game with most of you, between college, raiding, dancing...
VardaValar1: Induct more Eve Onliners : )
Oessala: I'm trying, but it's hard to get ooc talks going.
ArPharazonV: let alone spend some real time with Tolkien's literature, even though I try to read up from time to time
Oessala: We're hardcor rp.
VardaValar1: Oh, I was asked how are we going to be able to pick Maiar when we are so scattered.
VardaValar1: Aye, Orodreth
VardaValar1: That's one reason I didn't want us on an rp server
ArPharazonV: I've gotten a little de-attached with the whole Tolkien/Valar-business perhaps... but I'll try to hang on by my fingertips :-)
ArPharazonV: still my favorite author!
Oessala: So, I mean, fertile ground, and plenty of the people I'd *want* in Valar, but we don't have an ooc channel set up to talk about that stuff, so it's hard. :-(
VardaValar1: He gives us a nice huge theme
Oessala: Course.
VardaValar1: Can you make another channel in Eve?
Oessala: Elsebeth in here would be...hmm.
Oessala: Yea, but I already have like..21, 22 open. :p
VardaValar1: In rp, it kills our theme
VardaValar1: And none of them are good for OOC?
Oessala: Elsebeth in Valar guild..that would be..something else.
VardaValar1: It's sad that it would be OOC
Oessala: two are, but not from my alliance.
VardaValar1: okies
Oessala: We're 21000 some years int he future...
VardaValar1: We also take Tolkien-onlies
Oessala: talking about a 20th century author...not so much. :p
VardaValar1: We played StarCraft BroodWar with a full branch : )
VardaValar1: Diablo isn't exactly Tolkien either
ArPharazonV: "hey, remember that author from 21000 years ago? I read some of his stuff recently, it's good!"
VardaValar1: LotRO may be the hardest place for us to rp our characters
VardaValar1: That could happen. We're 21st century reading his 20th century stuff. : )
VardaValar1: We still read Shakespeare and Chaucer
VardaValar1: I figure anywhere we go, the rp would be very loose
VardaValar1: Nearer to kidding around than anything
ArPharazonV: well, that's our own fault for giving ourselves quite some ambitious names :-)
Eonwe Valar: You mean.....
Eonwe Valar: I'm NOT Eonwë?!
Eonwe Valar: :}
Oessala: oops, wrong place
ArPharazonV: if I was really Pharazon, I'd be lying as good as dead buried beneath a mountain-range
ArPharazonV: so no, we're not the real deal ;-)
ArPharazonV: unless I'm contacting you from my troubled dreams as I lie sleeping...
Oessala: feel free to look at my list of loot Im trying to sell, though. :p
Oessala: Varda: that may be, but the alliance I'm in is strict minmatar rp, so..
Oessala: my hands are tied, sorta.
ArPharazonV: you're selling smartbombs, Oro? tsk
Oessala: that I am.
ArPharazonV: hmm... can I buy that warpcore stabilizer of yours? the warp core powering my computer could use some stabilizing, it sounds like it's going to blow any moment!
Oessala: heheh
VardaValar1: Maybe some Tolkien-onlies who might like to write, jump in the forum or come to a meeting now and then.
VardaValar1: They might join in some other game in the future, like LotRO if it really comes out this spring 2007.
Oessala: but like I said, I just don't have a place to talk about it.
Oessala: For what it;s worth, its in my bio...
Oessala: /me shrugs
VardaValar1: Cool, thanks for trying, Oro : )
Oessala: Honorary member of [NPA]. Friend of [EM], [UNITY]Valar member [] Omnia mihi lingua graeca sunt
Oessala: my bio.
VardaValar1: Thanks
Oessala: and the valar site, amazingly, works ingame.
VardaValar1: If you guys would like to choose up games and go play now?
VardaValar1: o cool : )
Oessala: 7 and I'm sleepy...
ArPharazonV: 2 am, and I'm not that sleepy...
Eonwe Valar: Oooh, Old Grinch cartoon on sale. Gotta get it.
Eonwe Valar: How the Grinch Stole Christmas to be precise :}
VardaValar1: I have the book. ;-)
VardaValar1: Cute movie, stuck to the book well. Even the art.
Eonwe Valar: I think the last time I saw that book was Kindergarten :}
VardaValar1: I had kids...
Eonwe Valar: I was a kid :}
ArPharazonV: ...don't think I've ever seen it :-)
ArPharazonV: or read it
Eonwe Valar: At least that's what they told me back then ;}
VardaValar1: You have to see it, Phar. It's by Dr. Seuss. :-)
VardaValar1: Someone else is going to have to exert themselves a bit and try to scout for new members. I may not be around as much as I'd like for the next three months, but will do what I can for the guild.
ArPharazonV: busy life?
VardaValar1: Work interference. May be stuck with a nasty deadline.
VardaValar1: I'll just try to be more efficient.
ArPharazonV: allright
VardaValar1: Tend to mess around enjoying this stuff too much. ;-)
VardaValar1: Already have a meeting summary up for today
VardaValar1: sorry about how long the last one took.
VardaValar1: Thanks for your help, Phar!
Disvandl: np
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VardaValar1: Dis is having problems with a sick kitten, may be dying.
ArPharazonV: that's not good...
VardaValar1: The guys have the gaming comps, so I'll try to finish up some guild business before going back to work.
VardaValar1: Namarie for now :-)
ArPharazonV: Namarie, I'll be saving and sending then
VardaValar1: Thank you very much
ArPharazonV: was the first in the room, so you should be able to get the names of attendants from that :-)
VardaValar1: It's been just you and me, Phar :-)
VardaValar1: yay! big help
ArPharazonV: connection just shut down, am I still here?
VardaValar1: I see you
ArPharazonV: hmm.. guess it returned fast enough to not make me leave the room :-)
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ArPharazonV: yup, netsplit
ArPharazonV: to me it's like you all just entered again
ArPharazonV: that was a strange delay... oh well
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VardaValar1: Netsplits are happening again, aye
VardaValar1: I was thinking, maybe I'll put another column on the Members page on the end, showing if the person is confirmed for Membership for 2007
VardaValar1: If I have you on and you want off, need to tell me. : )
ArPharazonV: sounds good
VardaValar1: Might be a way we can do with this new Members page set-up. : )
VardaValar1: combined style
VardaValar1: WoW Lothar gamers are going
Eonwe Valar: ?
VardaValar1: We have some playing in Lothar
VardaValar1: have for a few hours : )
VardaValar1: Elwing just joined in
Eonwe Valar: ah
ArPharazonV: allright, saving and sending
ArPharazonV: saved
VardaValar1: CaranthirV wasn't on my list
VardaValar1: Just heard from him
VardaValar1: Then he went afk just before the invitation went out. heh
VardaValar1: Thanks!
VardaValar1: Get some sleep, good buddy!
ArPharazonV: wasn't on my list either, it seems
ArPharazonV: except on "recent buddies", which means I did have contact with him recently..
VardaValar1: Added now. Won't happen next time.
ArPharazonV: oh, this new mouse I purchased is funny
ArPharazonV: can scroll horizontally too
VardaValar1: o neat!
ArPharazonV: useful when I have to open files etc
ArPharazonV: or when I'm on a webpage/image that is scrollable sideways too
VardaValar1: So, how do I get one? :-)
ArPharazonV: go to your nearest store :-)
VardaValar1: Was there for a new USB port card last week. Will have to look around more next time.
ArPharazonV: the scrolling vertically seems a bit slow, though
VardaValar1: hmmm
VardaValar1: I like my vertical for gaming
ArPharazonV: when I scroll in my questlog, for example, it only goes one quest at a time
ArPharazonV: which means I have to scroll a long time, or press the buttons ;-)
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VardaValar1: Aiya!
CaranthirV: Aiya
VardaValar1: You get credit for today's meeting after all. : )
ArPharazonV: not on my transcript, I'm afraid! But I'm sure Varda will quilt you in :-)
ArPharazonV: ok, it's sent, Varda
VardaValar1: On my News summary now, and yes, quilting to be done. : )
VardaValar1: Thanks, Phar!
VardaValar1: We will be starting on the yearly Sweep.
VardaValar1: Going to have a confirmed or not confirmed for 2007 column on the Member page, probably.
VardaValar1: Want to confirm for next year? : )
Eonwe Valar: If I confirm now, can I save 10% on my membership dues? :}
VardaValar1: yes!
Eonwe Valar: Great! Sign me up :}
VardaValar1: Let's see. 10% of nothing...
ArPharazonV: membership dues... I knew I was forgetting something!
VardaValar1: Charging you zero, again! Fork it over!
Eonwe Valar: Here you go :}
VardaValar1: Thanks!
VardaValar1: Here's my zero to Eonwe. Confirm my membership too. : )
ArPharazonV: how convenient, I actually sent you zero with my email!
ArPharazonV: does that take care of my dues for the next year?
VardaValar1: Perfect, Phar. ;-)
Eonwe Valar: :}
ArPharazonV: great! now I just gotta save zero for 2008 ;-)
ArPharazonV: I'm quite confident that won't be much of a problem, though
VardaValar1: Stockpile now!
VardaValar1: Oh good. : )
Eonwe Valar: I hear the 2008 membership dues are doubling :}
VardaValar1: Not that!
VardaValar1: Inflation everywhere.
ArPharazonV: oh dear, might be a tough one... but I'll give it a shot!
VardaValar1: *whizzz* Arrow goes by.
Eonwe Valar: Keep those in the quiver :}
VardaValar1: Oh, pardon.
ArPharazonV: anyway, time to bed, need to see sunlight again in 8 hours
ArPharazonV: for some it's a lot, for some it's enough...
ArPharazonV: as for me, who still doesn't like coffee, I'll still be sleepy in the morning ;-)
VardaValar1: Nighty night
VardaValar1: Tea
VardaValar1: Soda
Eonwe Valar: I usually get fewer than 8 hours sleep, so I take my chances to get more than 8 hours of sleep whenever I can :}
ArPharazonV: just what I mean, Eonwe, many people make due with a lot less than 8 hours :-)
ArPharazonV: I'm still a wuss in that way... never even skipped a night for as long as I can remember :-)
Eonwe Valar: I've done it a few times, rarely for "good" reason :}
Eonwe Valar: Unless you consider reading, gaming, or programming a good reason :}
VardaValar1: a few times here too
ArPharazonV: if it's Tolkien!
Eonwe Valar: Or cleaning :}
ArPharazonV: Varda, you have raised several children... I would be surprised if you hadn't skipped a few nights' sleep in your life ;-)
VardaValar1: hehe - quite a few, aye
VardaValar1: Eowyn just came home, confirmed. ;-)
ArPharazonV: :-)
VardaValar1: I'm going to ftp the Members page with the new column and the few already confirmed. :-)
ArPharazonV: allright
ArPharazonV: I'm leaving for real now
ArPharazonV: Namarie!
VardaValar1: Wonder if we get a reaction
VardaValar1: Namarie!
ArPharazonV: well, be sure to run it on the news and the forum, to grab people's attention :-)
Eonwe Valar: Take care :}
ArPharazonV: *waves*
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Eonwe Valar: *Take care Phar
VardaValar1: Aye.
VardaValar1: I'm off too, to the game which cannot be named and to which I am addicted.
CaranthirV: ah im off to WoW
CaranthirV: they want me to down nef
VardaValar1: ohh, I'm going where you were a while ago
Eonwe Valar: HF
CaranthirV: yes i might do both
VardaValar1: Namarie, he whom I'm just missing
VardaValar1: You can? egad!
VardaValar1: cool : )
VardaValar1: bye