Valar Guild

June 4, 2006 Meeting

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Transcript work by: 
Ar-Pharazon-(V), Varda-(Valar)

Attending (12):
    ArPharazonV, AuSteinM-(TV)/AuSteinM, Eonwe Valar (presided over Tolkien), Finduilas-(TV)/BhonTuath, Finrod-(V)/TH0R0NGIL, Gilraen-(V)/Star of Phaet, Haleth V, Luthien-(V), Menelvagor Valar, Orodreth V/Oessala, Ugluk of Old, VardaValar1 (presided over Business)

Meeting begins
    Finduilas-(TV) joined as a Tolkien-only member with her poem and story, came to the meeting today as Bhon Tuath, and joined us in the game "Well of Souls". She plans to join as a Full Member after re-reading the books a bit more.
    Menelvagor-(Valar) taught his first and second classes.
    Humor: "Belfalas" by Finduilas-(TV) under "Middle-earth Vacations"
    Art: Luthien has the sketch started for the burning of the Teleri ships, but another painting has priority before she can really concentrate on this one.
    Webwork computer not currently hooked to the main router, should be this week. (carrying a floppy disk) now in effect.
          Scourge Invasion next patch: let's get together as a guild group on it.
    Well of Souls
       World: Aenienell (see After-meeting for details)
    Tolkien Trivia Contest results. Some answers and then the rest of the answers were posted to the Forum.
    One group downloaded and played Well of Souls in World Aenienell together (1st name is primary, second is game name): (Orodreth/Orodreth, Pharazon/Calion, Luthien/Tindomerel, FinduilasTV/Finduilas, Varda/Fainan). For group's chat, on the main chat bar we typed /im 4892 as a random number.
    Another group went to WoW Stratholme (including Eonwe/Auros, Merry/Merryv, Bilbo/Valtocolindo).

You have just entered room "valarguildmeetingplace."
VardaValar1: Aiya :-)
Eonwe Valar: heya :}
BhonTuath has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar: Looks like I've got all the trivia entries I'm gonna get :}
ArPharazonV: right... was meaning to enter that contest, but couldn't even place half the questions without checking books... became a little depressing :-)
Star of Phaet has entered the room.
Star of Phaet: gosh, that time already?
TH0R0NGIL has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar: Means you'll have to reread :}
BhonTuath: ;-)
Eonwe Valar: Pretty much, Gilraen :}
TH0R0NGIL: rereading is a good thing...
Eonwe Valar: Aye, you get to enjoy the story all over again :}
VardaValar1: Even two or three answers puts you in there.
Eonwe Valar: Aye
BhonTuath: Greetings to you all and aiya
Eonwe Valar: Greetings BhonTuath :}
BhonTuath: for those who met me last week and those who dont have seen me before
VardaValar1: Anyone want to make a fast sending of their email to Eonwe before we reach the Gaming section? ;-)
Eonwe Valar: Heh, last chance if you're gonna do it :}
Menelvagor Valar has entered the room.
Menelvagor Valar: Aiya
VardaValar1: Aiya Menel : )
Menelvagor Valar: sorry I am late, was downstairs watching tv ..
Menelvagor Valar: and I totally forgot the meeting... :-(
VardaValar1: Not quite. You're here! ;-)
Oessala has entered the room.
Orodreth V has entered the room.
Menelvagor Valar: that's just because my mom switched channels lol
VardaValar1: hehe
Eonwe Valar: Go Menel's mom :}
VardaValar1: For those who just whispered,
VardaValar1: the Trivia contest questions are on the Forum
VardaValar1: You can try to get a few answers in fast before we reach the Gaming section!
Ugluk of Old has entered the room.
Ugluk of Old: Aiya all!
VardaValar1: Hey there, you Orc!
Ugluk of Old: Greetings from the friendly Orc :-)
Menelvagor Valar: Well, I've got a perfectly good explanation for forgetting the meeting O:-)
VardaValar1: It hasn't started so you missed nothing
VardaValar1: People are trying to fire off some Trivia question answers fast to Eonwe before the Gaming section : )
Menelvagor Valar: hehe :-)
VardaValar1: For those asking, Eonwe's email is:
VardaValar1: deneltir(AT)
Menelvagor Valar: I mailed my answers the first day I saw them...
VardaValar1: I'll be dropping the @ from the transcripts
Menelvagor Valar: which was monday two weeks ago :-)
Eonwe Valar: :}
VardaValar1: ?board=WoWGeneral&action=display&thread=1148253426
VardaValar1: or Forum/World of WarCraft/ General : )
Eonwe Valar: It's stickied to the top of that forum, hard to miss :}
Menelvagor Valar: ack.
Menelvagor Valar: good time to remember :-P
VardaValar1: type fast : )
Menelvagor Valar: we could've put it up on the news fader :-P
VardaValar1: Several others are
VardaValar1: Aye. Would have been a good idea
Menelvagor Valar: as I said, great time to remember :-)
VardaValar1: People have time up to the Gaming section, though they take the risk of being lagged
Eonwe Valar: We had it on 3 different pages and the forum at least :}
Eonwe Valar: Can't ask for much more exposure than that :}
Menelvagor Valar: btw...
Menelvagor Valar: will the questions be answered today? :-)
Eonwe Valar: I intend to announce winners during the Gaming Section. The answers will be put up tonight :}
Eonwe Valar: Might take me a couple of minutes to tally up the answers coming in right now though :}
VardaValar1: Ok, I'll start up the meeting and free Eonwe to handle y'all's rushed emails. : )

VardaValar1: Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo
VardaValar1: Membership Report:
VardaValar1: Bhon Tuath here is interested in joining as a Full Member.
VardaValar1: She already qualified as a Tolkien-only member. Huzzah! [Note: chose name Finduilas-(TV)]
Menelvagor Valar: Huzzah!
BhonTuath: *blushes fiercly*
VardaValar1: We have another person who sent something apparently for Tolkien membership who I need to get back with.
TH0R0NGIL: *claps
LuthienV: woot, another double X chromosome : )
TH0R0NGIL: always a good thing...;-)
VardaValar1: : )
VardaValar1: Any other membership news? Birthdays, etc?

VardaValar1: Web Report:
VardaValar1: New humor piece by Bhon Tuath
VardaValar1: on the Middle-earth vacation page, under Belfalas.
Menelvagor Valar: iek!
VardaValar1: Any of you are welcome to add your own funny bit for a vacation in Middle-earth.
Menelvagor Valar: forgot to put those on the humor page!
VardaValar1: It's set for after the Reunited Kingdom has just been set up.
VardaValar1: Fortunately, Menelvagor will soon correct that. ;-)
VardaValar1: But for now, you can reach it from the Encyclopedia menu under Humor
VardaValar1: Oh ho! Just got a nice bit of Member news!
VardaValar1: Congratulations to Menelvagor on teaching his first class!
VardaValar1: Busy guy : )
ArPharazonV: grats!
Menelvagor Valar: and second too :-)
LuthienV: congrats! what did you get to teach?
Menelvagor Valar: just normal english grammar, some reading stuff, speaking...
Menelvagor Valar: the regular things for a foreign language basically.
LuthienV: very cool
Menelvagor Valar: aye.
ArPharazonV: been corrected yet by your students? ;-)
Menelvagor Valar: for the entire lesson (which was 20 minutes in total, before the regular teacher took over again), I spoke entirely in English, and the class was completely silent.
Menelvagor Valar: no I have not, Pharzie.
Menelvagor Valar: I spent just about 4 hours or so preparing the lesson.
Star of Phaet: My Spanish teacher used to do that
Star of Phaet: speak the whole lesson in Spanish
Menelvagor Valar: even when I knew just about exactly what had to be done in advance.
Star of Phaet: really made us pay attention :-)
Menelvagor Valar: well, it keeps you perked.
Menelvagor Valar: aye.
Menelvagor Valar: but these students have a good set of brains, they are in the top level of dutch education (Gymnasium)
Menelvagor Valar: but apart from some errors I made (not grammatically, just in setup), it went extraordinarily well.
Menelvagor Valar: and the day after, I had half a lesson for first-graders (that's 12-13 year olds for you Americans)
Menelvagor Valar: (and Canadians probably :-))
VardaValar1: About 6 years old
Menelvagor Valar: And that lesson me and my intern buddy were given full authority on how to set up our lesson.
Menelvagor Valar: well, we start over once they reach High School :-P
Menelvagor Valar: 1st to 8th in elementary.
Menelvagor Valar: 1st to 4th, 5th or 6th in High school, depending on the level of education.
Menelvagor Valar: anyway, we decided we'd do something with culture, so my buddy told something about the British Culture and a day he spent in London.
Menelvagor Valar: I told them a bit about youth culture, let them work in groups and see if they could figure out how one group sets itself apart from another.
Menelvagor Valar: so they talked about Gothics, Rappers, Skaters, Gabbers (or better known as Skinheads)
Menelvagor Valar: and although it is unlikely all of it will still be there, I am confident they will at least have learned something from it :-)
VardaValar1: Yay!
Menelvagor Valar: and that's it from me :-)
VardaValar1: Thanks, Menelvagor!
VardaValar1: On further web news,
Eonwe Valar: Congrats Menel :}
VardaValar1: My webworking computer is not hooked to our router
VardaValar1: We had to pull it off the network while we had two other Valar living with us a while, one a month and one a week.
VardaValar1: Fortunately they both brought WoW-capable computers so we had a great time!
VardaValar1: Four WoW computer nuts in the same room is incredible. : )
Eonwe Valar: :}
VardaValar1: However, my webwork comp is now downstairs
VardaValar1: It is in the position we originally intended for in the future
VardaValar1: so it's staying there.
VardaValar1: We'll be drilling and running a hundred foot cable to it this upcoming week
VardaValar1: Meanwhile, webwork is a bit slowed. Sorry for the inconvenience.
VardaValar1: We are now back to our normal number of people at home, or will be Monday.
VardaValar1: So hi from Bilbo, Eowyn, Sauron, and tomorrow Fangorn!
VardaValar1: Any other web news?
Menelvagor Valar: working on it, will be back with it in a bit :-)
Eonwe Valar: I've been working on the new version of the Games Page. COming along nicely :}
Menelvagor Valar: hopefully before Eonwe's trivia announcement :-)
VardaValar1: Type fast, webweavers. : )
VardaValar1: Eonwe sent in a program to help the art page, in php
VardaValar1: And Arwen made a lot of thumbnails and resizing and cropping of images, improving art page loading time.
VardaValar1: Plus she taught me some handy things
VardaValar1: She will be teaching in the future too, but just left to Louisiana to help reclaim a river. : )
VardaValar1: It needs to be safe for people after two hurricanes.
VardaValar1: Ugluk is afk for family time. : ) Scrolling is a handy thing.
VardaValar1: Gaming News:
VardaValar1: Did anyone here play anything besides WoW? : )
VardaValar1: Sauron reports a lot of Morrowind. : )
Menelvagor Valar: ah.
Menelvagor Valar: done!
VardaValar1: Humor page, Menel?
Menelvagor Valar:
Eonwe Valar: (Pencils down everyone :})
VardaValar1: Thanks. : )
Menelvagor Valar: at the very bottom.
VardaValar1: Thank you. : )
Menelvagor Valar: well, at the very bottom above "top" that is :P
VardaValar1: I hope all of you send in a funny bit for your favorite spots in Middle-earth!
VardaValar1: oh good, Menel. ;-)
BhonTuath: Have you activated the link to Belfalas, Varda?
BhonTuath: nice pic btw
VardaValar1: argh
VardaValar1: apparently not
VardaValar1: It's not a separate site, Menel. It's one of ours
VardaValar1: It doesn't go under Other Tolkien Humor Sites, who are not affiliated with Valar.
VardaValar1: I'll fix that, Bhon. Deep apologies.
Menelvagor Valar: oh...
BhonTuath: never mind , it happened to me before
Menelvagor Valar: one sec for a quick fix.
VardaValar1: It's from trying to do things in a hurry.
BhonTuath: tell me about it *chuckles*
VardaValar1: Any gaming mentions besides WoW before Pharazon goes into his WoW Europe report?
VardaValar1: Hmm, don't guess webwork counts.
Star of Phaet has left the room.
Star of Phaet has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Pharazon, go ahead.
Haleth V has entered the room.
Haleth V: Aiya all.
ArPharazonV: This week I've partied with any Valarguild members, didn't see any online for very long
ArPharazonV: *not partied
ArPharazonV: our raidalliance got Huhuran to 12%, and are closing in on the kill... no progress outside that
ArPharazonV: I myself have finished growing my reputation with the Cenarion Circle
ArPharazonV: am now exalted, and have my reward: what can be seen as the ultimate soloing weapon in the game for a feral druid as myself
ArPharazonV: so while I am happy with this development, it should hold little interest for the rest of the Valarguild.... there's just not much to tell this week
ArPharazonV: we have discovered the ingredients for our Naxxramas-sets, the new classsets in the upcoming patch
ArPharazonV: and have started collecting those ingredients already
ArPharazonV: so some goals got completed, some new goals were started, and we're still working on others
ArPharazonV: hoping to make our next new boss-kill in 2 days, and where we go from there.... only time can tell
ArPharazonV: and that concludes my report
Eonwe Valar: I didn't really find the hybrids' sets all that appealing.
VardaValar1: Thank you, Phar : )
VardaValar1: Eonwe's floor : )
Eonwe Valar: Thanks :}
ArPharazonV: you wouldn't, perhaps... but as a hybrid myself, well ;-)
Menelvagor Valar:
Menelvagor Valar: sorry to intrude :-)
Menelvagor Valar: just fixed it :-)
VardaValar1: Also fixed
Eonwe Valar: All three of those sets are +healing. Don't see how a feral druid would benefit except when he's healing the raid :}
VardaValar1: Web repair while you wait from the guild. ;-)
Eonwe Valar: Ok, now the moment you've all been waiting for: The Tolkien Trivia Winners :}
Menelvagor Valar: me me me :-P
Eonwe Valar: Starting with the winners in WoW:
Eonwe Valar: Third place is Arwen.
VardaValar1: Go Arwen!
VardaValar1: She'll be so tickled : )
Menelvagor Valar: with how many out of 20?
Eonwe Valar: Second place is Oromë.
VardaValar1: More than you, Menel? ; )
ArPharazonV: (you'd be surprised... my dps and aura is appreciated on all trash, and I make an excellent tank when we need an extra one)
Menelvagor Valar: most likely.
Eonwe Valar: First place goes to Varda :}
Eonwe Valar: You want to official scores?
Menelvagor Valar: how surprising :-P
Menelvagor Valar: three hurrays for Varda!
Menelvagor Valar: Hurray!
VardaValar1: I don't think I'm eligible for prizes though : )
Menelvagor Valar: Hurray!
VardaValar1: Thanks
Menelvagor Valar: Hurray!
ArPharazonV: Hurray!
LuthienV: Congrats Varda, I find myself unsurprised :-)
VardaValar1: out of what, three people? : )
Eonwe Valar: I gave partial credit for partial correctness. I also just for fun did a strict right-or-wrong scoring, and believe it or not, it didn't change the order at all :}
Menelvagor Valar: I would like th scores, aye.
Eonwe Valar: ok,
VardaValar1: Intriguing
Eonwe Valar: Arwen got Third Place with 3/20.
Menelvagor Valar: I take it that was 3 wrong, and not correct :-D
Eonwe Valar: 3 correct :}
Eonwe Valar: out of 20 :}
Haleth V: wow
Haleth V: And congrats Varda :-)
Menelvagor Valar: not many applicants then?
Eonwe Valar: Not as many as I would've hoped, no.
VardaValar1: Thorongil/Finrod was trying to send in his. Did he make it?
Eonwe Valar: Everyone kept saying they only knew the answers to one or two, and well, obviously they should've tried anyway :}
Eonwe Valar: He made it, aye.
VardaValar1: yay : )
Eonwe Valar: I'll get to overall scores in a minute.
TH0R0NGIL: wow...please post correct answers somewhere then...
Eonwe Valar: Oromë got second with 13 and 29/42.
Eonwe Valar: Remember, these are the participants playing WoW, not all of them.
Menelvagor Valar: my hope is to beat that.
TH0R0NGIL: oh, ok
Eonwe Valar: We did have a couple more who aren't in the WoW Lothar group.
Eonwe Valar: so don't freak out yet :}
TH0R0NGIL: I was somewhat confused, yes...
Eonwe Valar: Varda got First Place with 16 and 1/14 correct.
Menelvagor Valar: what's the second number indicate?
TH0R0NGIL: I was about to ask that too...
Eonwe Valar: As I said, I gave partial credit for answers, so that's the fraction of a question they got right :}
VardaValar1: a 1/14th right. hehe
TH0R0NGIL: lol
Eonwe Valar: The math was lots of fun on my end, I assure you :}
TH0R0NGIL: go Varda!
BhonTuath: hihi
ArPharazonV: so... Orome got 29/42th of a question right?
TH0R0NGIL: must have been the Palantir one
Eonwe Valar: Roughyl speaking yes, of course I had to make the denominators equal in order to add them, and so not all fractions will be the same.
Eonwe Valar: Not all questions had an equal number of parts.
Eonwe Valar: For instance, the Palantir question had 7 partial answers, whereas the wind question I gave two separate questions which I counted each as half.
Menelvagor Valar: aha.
Menelvagor Valar: but please do hurry along for the bragging rights 8-)
Eonwe Valar: Would you prefer I give overall ranking now (non-Lothar + Lothar) or just non-Lothar?
Menelvagor Valar: non-Lothar now, do the overall ranking later :-D
Eonwe Valar: You already have the scores, so you can figure out the overall anyway :}
Eonwe Valar: ok
VardaValar1: Do both, non-Lothar first : )
TH0R0NGIL: Please
Eonwe Valar: In second place for non-Lothar:
TH0R0NGIL: no third?
Eonwe Valar: Nay, only 2 Non-Lothar sent anything in.
Menelvagor Valar: that means I will grab the second place at the least *grin*
TH0R0NGIL: *thinking same thing
Ugluk of Old has left the room.
Eonwe Valar: Menelvagor got Second Place with 11 and 1/14.
Menelvagor Valar: w00t
Menelvagor Valar: I thought I had 11 right for a fact :-)
Eonwe Valar: Finrod barely usurped your crown with 11 and 19/21 :}
TH0R0NGIL: lol
ArPharazonV: haha
Menelvagor Valar: it's the Palantiri!
Menelvagor Valar: but I know I had the winds right :-)
TH0R0NGIL: I wasn't sure on the winds...
TH0R0NGIL: who did which
Eonwe Valar: See, this could've been anyone's trivia :}
Eonwe Valar: Overall scoring:
Menelvagor Valar: Aragorn – West, Legolas – South, Gimli – North. East was left out, for that way the evil from Sauron came.
Eonwe Valar: Nope, Not right, Menel :}
Eonwe Valar: Aragorn sange of West and North :}
TH0R0NGIL: I had aragorn north and west
Eonwe Valar: Gimli was left the East, but did not sing of it :}
TH0R0NGIL: Legolas east
Menelvagor Valar: auch O:-)
TH0R0NGIL: I mean south
TH0R0NGIL: and gimli didn't sing
Menelvagor Valar: oh well :-)
Menelvagor Valar: at least I got half right with east left out :-)
Eonwe Valar: Overall ranking:
TH0R0NGIL: But I wasn't sure about the north and south, just guessed Aragorn for north, since that's where he was from
Menelvagor Valar: but overall ranking! :-)
TH0R0NGIL: Varda still wins
Menelvagor Valar: (Legolas South because of the sea)
Eonwe Valar: Varda claims first place, Oromë claims second, and Finrod nudges Menel out of the Running for Third :}
TH0R0NGIL: Good job Varda!
Menelvagor Valar: I will still brag about being the first to send it in!
TH0R0NGIL: I was probably the last
Eonwe Valar: The winner of WoW will be able to claim their prize at their earliest convenience :}
TH0R0NGIL: Didn't know about it until today
Eonwe Valar: *winners
VardaValar1: We had it listed everywhere we could think of for the duration. Where would you have seen it?
Eonwe Valar: Aye, that's the trouble, even when we make it as known as we can, some people still manage to miss it :}
Menelvagor Valar: can we get a list of answers in here in the Tolkien section mayhaps?
VardaValar1: Or maybe after the questions?
VardaValar1: Seriously, Finrod. Where would you be able to spot these announcements?
BhonTuath: Ask the questions first Eonwe
TH0R0NGIL: not in the wow forum
BhonTuath: I never had a chance of taking part
TH0R0NGIL: hehe
TH0R0NGIL: Perhaps in general announcements?
Menelvagor Valar: it was on the WoW main news page Finrod :-)
VardaValar1: They were mentioned on the News, meetings, WoW
Menelvagor Valar: and on the news.
Eonwe Valar: It was on the Guild News, Gaming News, and WoW news :}
VardaValar1: Gaming, aye
TH0R0NGIL: I never look at anything to do with wow
TH0R0NGIL: or gaming
TH0R0NGIL: since gaming is mostly wow now
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VardaValar1: Menel suggested that we should have put it on the fader announcements. A good idea
TH0R0NGIL: Mostly it's probably my fault for not looking hard enough
TH0R0NGIL: :-[
Menelvagor Valar: a good lesson for a next time.
Eonwe Valar: I do intend to have big trivias like this in the future, so we will have a chance to put it in the fader, and wherever else would be a good place.
VardaValar1: Well, we are still learning how to announce them.
Menelvagor Valar: oh yes, some member / gaming news from me :-)
Menelvagor Valar: with a little luck, I may be able to return to WoW (Europe) at the end of this month)
VardaValar1: Oh cool : )
Eonwe Valar: Cool Menel :}.
Eonwe Valar: The answers will be put up on the Forum shortly. I have two answers I would like to give here, however
Eonwe Valar: If the Chair will so permit :}
Menelvagor Valar: swapping comps with my sister, who has a better machine, and a much worse use for it :-P
Menelvagor Valar: numbers 4 and 12 if you would be so kind :-)
Menelvagor Valar: oh, and 9 and 10 :-P
Eonwe Valar: Heh, taking your sister's comp :}
Eonwe Valar: I've already chosen the two I want to answer, Menel :}
TH0R0NGIL: hehe
TH0R0NGIL: when will the answers be posted?
VardaValar1: Please do, Eonwe
Eonwe Valar: At the latest, shortly after the meeting.
Menelvagor Valar: *Sends a ray of hyperconcentrated sunlight towards Eonwe in the hopes of blinding him and scramble his memory*
Eonwe Valar: Here is the answer to the first one I want to give:
Eonwe Valar: *voice becomes deep and menacing*
TH0R0NGIL: *shakes in shoes
Menelvagor Valar: *goes silent and into solar eclipse*
Eonwe Valar: Ash nazg, durbatuluk, ash nazg gimbatul, ash nazg thrakatuluk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul!
Menelvagor Valar: oh blast.
TH0R0NGIL: ah, was anyone able to quote that?
VardaValar1: *Throws beams of light over all to dispel the gloom*
Menelvagor Valar: ishi burzum *grin*
Eonwe Valar: We had one person get it, but not in the right order.
Menelvagor Valar: *comes from behind the eclipse to wave merrily to Varda*
VardaValar1: Congrats to that person!
Menelvagor Valar: me.
Menelvagor Valar: Ash názg durbatulûk. Ash názg thrakatulûk. Ash názg gimbatûl. Agh ishi burzum krimpatûl
VardaValar1: huzzah : )
ArPharazonV: close, Menel ;-)
Eonwe Valar: The second question I want to answer, will be answered with an exerpt directly from the source.
VardaValar1: *Waves more of light* This place is taking a lot of cleaning today.
Menelvagor Valar: :-)
BhonTuath: oh my ears ..
Eonwe Valar: "But I rode to the foot of Orthanc, and came to the stair of Saruman; and there he met me and led me up to his high chamber. He wore a ring on his finger."
TH0R0NGIL: oohh...
TH0R0NGIL: nice
BhonTuath: ah hihi
Eonwe Valar: No one got that question right.
BhonTuath: i wondered about that and tought it was the cloak
TH0R0NGIL: same here
ArPharazonV: what was the question for that?
Menelvagor Valar: were his shimmering robes partly correct? :-)
Menelvagor Valar: 16.) When Gandalf described his meeting and capture by Saruman to the Council, he mentions one peculiar part of Saruman’s attire as Gandalf meets him. What is this?
VardaValar1: I thought the rainbow colors instead of white were it. : )
ArPharazonV: ahh
TH0R0NGIL: yeah
VardaValar1: But it's what he told the Council!
Eonwe Valar: "as Gandalf meets him" was the part to focus on. I gave no credit for the robes, no :}
TH0R0NGIL: did he not mention both?
Menelvagor Valar: he mentioned both, I am sure of it.
VardaValar1: Look it up or you're not sure. : )
Eonwe Valar: He did, but the robes were mentioned later.
Eonwe Valar: When Saruman starts giving his list of names for himself.
ArPharazonV: aye, thought it was mentioned later, indeed
ArPharazonV: what exactly was the significance of the ring on his finger then?
Eonwe Valar: Saruman also calls himself Ring-maker
Eonwe Valar: It's presumed that he did manage to fashion a Ring of Power to some degree.
ArPharazonV: ah, makes sense
TH0R0NGIL: very true
TH0R0NGIL: I remember it now
BhonTuath: he wanted to rival Sauron\
Eonwe Valar: Further fueled by the words of Tolkien in the Prologue speaking of "if LotR were an allegory for WW2"
Eonwe Valar: But I'll let you all thumb through the prologue.
VardaValar1: Aye, the Free Peoples would havet taken the Ring for their use
Menelvagor Valar: excerpt from the same page or next, depending on your version:
Eonwe Valar: Oh, here's a bonus answer: the word "Valar" was used in LotR 3 times, and I have all three locations now :}
LuthienV: does it give any mention to whether or not Sauruman's ring would have had the same corrupting influence of the others?
Eonwe Valar: No, it doesn't.
Menelvagor Valar: "I looked then and saw that his robes, which had seemed white, were not so, but woven of all colours, and if he moved they shimmered and changed hue so that the eye was bewildered."
ArPharazonV: :-D
Eonwe Valar: I have completed my dialogue pertaining to the Trivia :}
Menelvagor Valar: but in the strict sense of the question, I guess that Eonwe is quite right about the ring.
VardaValar1: Thank you very much, Eonwe : )
VardaValar1: I agree with Eonwe on that one, although it means I missed the question too. : )
Menelvagor Valar: Henneth Anûn being one of the 3 Valar mentions :-)
Eonwe Valar: Everyone missed it, so :}
VardaValar1: We are still in gaming, so this question falls under the right category.
VardaValar1: Bhon Tuath aka Finduilas-(TV) has downloaded Well of Souls
VardaValar1: What server were we using?
VardaValar1: Rats, I started to say three. : )
Eonwe Valar: I think it was Elvondel.
VardaValar1: Orodreth, Ar-Pharazon, and Arathorn were playing Well of Souls.
VardaValar1: Are any of you still in it?
Eonwe Valar: Will check the Forum real quick.
VardaValar1: We will be doing the WoW Lothar report shortly.
ArPharazonV: hmm.. don't think I even have WoS anymore since we changed harddisks some time ago... maybe I could start again, if there was indeed some renewed Valar-interest
VardaValar1: Bhon is asking for the server name. That is some interest. : )
BhonTuath: its just that I want an easy start to get used to Mmorpg ..
ArPharazonV: true :-)
Eonwe Valar: Ah, Elvondel was the world Orodreth was working on.
ArPharazonV: aye, it was
VardaValar1: Thank you, Eonwe
Eonwe Valar: Not sure about what server anyone was playing on then.
VardaValar1: Orodreth seems to be afk. I'll try to poke him awake.
Eonwe Valar: MP.
VardaValar1: He's pulling out. Orodreth will talk with us in a minute. : )
VardaValar1: Wouldn't want to get him killed...much.
ArPharazonV: for a righteous goddess there sure seems to be a violent nature residing somewhere in you, Varda :-)
VardaValar1: I kid a lot. ;-)
Orodreth V: Ah.
Orodreth V: Elvondel is still hiding around, but I stopped working on it some time ago. no where near a playable world.
VardaValar1: So where can we get a group together?
Orodreth V: I have WoS still, and play every so often, server would be whatever the most popular RoT or Aeri server is. :-)
VardaValar1: Luthien might be interested
VardaValar1: We need to get an actual server picked and use our guild names or near as possible for recognition.
Orodreth V: RoT is too grindy last I checked, so if you want to get together, download Aerianell(sp).
ArPharazonV: I'll download it right now! Would be fun to get a group together again
Orodreth V: Server's not the point.
Orodreth V: It's the world that counts.
VardaValar1: Ok, how do you get a group together.
Orodreth V: Characters are stored locally.
VardaValar1: Elvondel is dead, you said.
Orodreth V: Coma. ;-)
VardaValar1: So you need a world. What's the choice?
VardaValar1: I might give it a shot too
Orodreth V: Aerinell
Orodreth V: Or spelling close to that, I can look it up.
VardaValar1: Please do so we can find it
ArPharazonV: probably either Aeri(a)nell or... what was that original world? Evergreen?
Orodreth V: EG for the lose. ;-)
ArPharazonV: meh, EG was fine
ArPharazonV: got a little boring when you're in full soulgear, but still...
Orodreth V: Dan never put in all the pretty features that Aeri/RoT have.
BhonTuath: Aerianell
Orodreth V: That's the one.
VardaValar1: Thanks, Bhon.
VardaValar1: So let's go for the one they put effort into : )
Orodreth V: It's been awhile, I don't know how much Loric is still playing with Aeri, but it's still fun...
Orodreth V: Now I need to see how many versions out of date I am.
ArPharazonV: k, downloading now, will make a new character on Aerianell immediately... let's see if we can get together tonight, perhaps :-)
BhonTuath: as for time to play - I sit five hours later than most of you, but Wednesday afternoon and thursday are okay for me
LuthienV: do you have a link for the download?
Menelvagor Valar: Britain Bhon?
Orodreth V: is main page.
VardaValar1: Link needed here too.
VardaValar1: okies, thanks
BhonTuath: aye\
BhonTuath: Scotland ;()
BhonTuath: :-)
Orodreth V: Cool, I'm only one patch behind.
Orodreth V: /me looks to find all the pretty things Dan added.
VardaValar1: This lets us play together both sides of the ocean then? Excellent!
Star of Phaet: I'm off
VardaValar1: It says shut down all other programs before downloading. heh
Star of Phaet: namarie folks : )
ArPharazonV: namarie!
VardaValar1: Bye Gilraen
BhonTuath: Namarie!
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VardaValar1: Gilraen is in England
Haleth V: Namarie : )
ArPharazonV: don't believe it, downloaded and installed just fine with Kazaa, AIM, MSN, Firefox and Winamp running ;-)
Orodreth V: Download managers make Dan sad. :-(
Orodreth V: EEEEE!
Orodreth V: He hadded IF!=
Orodreth V: bout time. :|
LuthienV: downloading it no..
BhonTuath: oh mo chreach hope i didnt chase him out then *chuckles*
LuthienV: now*
Haleth V: Anyways... I should be on my way myself.
Haleth V: Namarie, all
BhonTuath: Namarie, Haleth
VardaValar1: Namarie
ArPharazonV: Namarie!
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VardaValar1: Eonwe, would you like to do the WoW Lothar report while we download?
Eonwe Valar: Sure
Eonwe Valar: This week's Guild questing included Arathi Highlands and the Hinterlands.
Menelvagor Valar: (I'm off to bed, plenty of schoolwork to be done tomorrow.)
Menelvagor Valar: (I'll leave the comp on for downloading purposes, and I can fit the transcript in nicely :-D)
Eonwe Valar: First it was Fundin and Eonwë in Arathi. We worked on the Stromgarde quests, defeating Cowl, Otto, Falconcrest, and gathering the badges. Once we were done there, we went to Boulderfist Hall to get the wand back for Skuerto.
Eonwe Valar: At that point, Fundin had to go, but I was joined by Sauron. Then We were further joined by Merry and Varda. Our first task was to get the Azure Agate.
Eonwe Valar: Once doing that, we gained entry into the tower and recovered the items we needed for Trelane's Defense.
Eonwe Valar: Sauron then had to go, so it was down to Varda, Merry, and myself.
Eonwe Valar: We then switched over to our higher characters and went to the Hinterlands to grab Merry's Mallet and to save Sharpbeak.
Eonwe Valar: Unfortunately, Eonwë had to go after the mallet was recovered, but Varda has reported that the recoverery of Sharpbeak went excellently.
Eonwe Valar: *recovery even
VardaValar1: We were awesome. ;-)
VardaValar1: Watching him and his parents fly into the sky over the mountains was the best reward. : )
Eonwe Valar: Aye, that was a great ending to the quest :}
Eonwe Valar: One more thing from WoW if I may.
VardaValar1: Please go ahead.
Eonwe Valar: With the release of Patch 1.11 will be an event called the Scourge Invasion.
Eonwe Valar: There will be scourge in places that don't normally see Undead.
Eonwe Valar: These places will be at several levels, not just the high level areas.
Eonwe Valar: I would love it if we could get groups at these several levels involved as a Guild during this world event.
Eonwe Valar: As a Paladin, I most certainly will be beating back these guys :}
Eonwe Valar: If we could get everyone going at it, it'd be great, especially if we could get progress reports or some tidbit to put on the Gaming News and the Forum.
Eonwe Valar: As I said, there will be many areas of different levels that will be invaded by the Scourge, not just the high- level areas , so everyone can get in on this.
VardaValar1: So we report where we see them on the Forum or what?
LuthienV: Have to go for dinner, Namarie
Eonwe Valar: Organize hunting parties and go out and slay them and tell us how you did is more what I'm hoping for :}
Eonwe Valar: This is even a chance for those WoW gamers were are particularly creative or interested in RP.
Eonwe Valar: were are = who are.
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Eonwe Valar: So I guess you could say this is a call to arms to fight back the Undead Scourge :}
Eonwe Valar: According to the WoW page, Azshara, Blasted Lands, Burning Steppes, Eastern Plaguelands, Tanaris, and Winterspring are all targets for the invasion.
Eonwe Valar: Also, some instances are supposed to have Scoureg agents that wouldn't normally be there, including:
Eonwe Valar: Stratholme, Scholomance, Dire Maul, the Scarlet Monastery, Shadowfang Keep and Razorfen Downs.
VardaValar1: Covers lots of territory. We should all spot some. : )
Eonwe Valar: Aye :}
ArPharazonV: I thought you said it wasn't just the high-level areas? ;-) Tanaris seems to be the lowest-level area in that list :-)
Eonwe Valar: That's why everyone should get involved :}
ArPharazonV: well, with the exception of some lower level instances
Eonwe Valar: Shadowfang Keep and Razorfen Downs aren't too high.
Eonwe Valar: Well, Tanaris is about a mid-level area.
Orodreth V: /me mumbles something about Eve having GMs that do events all the time..
Orodreth V: ;-)
ArPharazonV: Tanaris is lvl 30-40, with every other zone being higher than 40, I think
ArPharazonV: and aye, Shadowfang and Razorfen are exceptions...
ArPharazonV: but those were undead-infested instances to begin with, so that makes sense
Eonwe Valar: A good chunk of our group is at least in the 30s area.
ArPharazonV: Aerianell downloaded
Eonwe Valar: So a good chunk will be able to join in.
Eonwe Valar: But aye, I thought I recalled some other slightly lower areas being in the mix. Seems Tanaris is the lowest. Badlands isn't really that high either though.
Eonwe Valar: Anyway, that's it. Just wanted to say let's get out there and get these guys as an entire Guild :}
ArPharazonV: you didn't say Badlands :-)
ArPharazonV: but aye, I get the point ;-)
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VardaValar1: Tanaris looks good. Has a bank etc
Eonwe Valar: Pardon, Blasted Lands is a tough area.
ArPharazonV: anything concerning Argent Dawn-rep and this scourge invasion?
Eonwe Valar: Was thinking Badlands was in there, but yeah, it's not.
Eonwe Valar: Seems so.
Eonwe Valar: "Members of the Argent Dawn are already organizing a worldwide counter to the Scourge invasion"
Eonwe Valar: There's also some awards you get for turinng in Necrostones.
Eonwe Valar: *Necrotic Runes.
Eonwe Valar: All useful for fighting the Undead, of course :}
Eonwe Valar: Whether or not they'll drop Scourgestones, I don't know, but I would assume yes.
ArPharazonV: :-)
Eonwe Valar: Sounds like there will be a final attack on Stormwind and Undercity as well.
Eonwe Valar: So that would be fun to have all of us helping out on. Problem is, there's no set date so we'd only know if we were on.
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Eonwe Valar: Here, just realized this would be easier :} /scourgeinvasion/
Eonwe Valar: But that's it. Let's get out there and get them! :}
VardaValar1: Sounds fun. Just need the patch : )
VardaValar1: Any further gaming news?
VardaValar1: How many are pulling up Well of Souls right now and can't answer? Hmm, bad question. ;-)
VardaValar1: Who is present? Type aye
VardaValar1: aye
BhonTuath: aye
ArPharazonV: aye
BhonTuath: the world thingy takes ages here but I think tis still running ..
Eonwe Valar: Aye
ArPharazonV: hmm, sorry, busy on a forum, discussing things with a moron who doesn't want to back his claims up because he thinks we're too low IQ-ed...
ArPharazonV: working on WoS in the background :-)
VardaValar1: I'm trying to get my character made
Orodreth V: k
VardaValar1: Now trying to undo : )
VardaValar1: Eonwe, go ahead with your Tolkien topic : )
Eonwe Valar: :}
Orodreth V: I need to clean up a few things in Eve, ranking intel member on, so I'll have a server up in a bit. :-)
Eonwe Valar: Well, I just thought I'd let you all know that the answers to the Trivia questions are now up if you want to look over and discuss them :}
Eonwe Valar: I know how much you wanted them, so I got them up as soon as I could :}
Eonwe Valar:
VardaValar1: Thanks : )
Eonwe Valar: They're in the reply to the original Tolkien Trivia Thread.

ArPharazonV: what classes are you all making your WoS characters?
VardaValar1: Fainan ranger elf 2, no surprise there.
ArPharazonV: thinking about experimenting with a Golem :-)
ArPharazonV: or... wait.. a beastmaster! excellent
ArPharazonV: time get myself a wolf ;-)
ArPharazonV: I assume we're not making pk-ers?
Eonwe Valar: /targets wolf :}
VardaValar1: I'm not making a pk'er
VardaValar1: I'm making a mess. Pulled out and not sure how to get back in to finish working on stats.
Orodreth V: Start over's the best way. :-)
VardaValar1: Disincarnated, heh great minds
VardaValar1: so it's just do it all at once or not do it. Must pay attention. :-)
Orodreth V: Heh.
Orodreth V: Actually...$5 gets you $10 that my router will break the server.
BhonTuath: phew i think i have to leave the world on over night until its incarnated
ArPharazonV: don't we have any male elves?
VardaValar1: Position on Gaia?
VardaValar1: That is weird. Why no male elf?
BhonTuath: ah I mean the laptop to leave on , sigh
Orodreth V: Just an option to let you place where you are int he real world.
ArPharazonV: eh, I'll take the tracker
VardaValar1: Aye, so we can be together
Orodreth V: I think everyone forgets about it after they place it. :-)
Orodreth V: Bhon: if you're stuck incarnating, something went wrong.
VardaValar1: It's not where we start then?
Orodreth V: UnUnless your laptop is very old.
Orodreth V: No.
VardaValar1: How do we start nearest each other?
Orodreth V: Everyone starts int he same place unless Loric changed something. :-)
ArPharazonV: so, what server are we going on then?
Orodreth V: None for now. :s
Orodreth V: Trying to make my router play nice with wos.
ArPharazonV: what are you on, Varda?
BhonTuath: hmm think its from 2003 or d4
ArPharazonV: I have... lost... my network connection?
VardaValar1: Is Tindomeral one of us?
VardaValar1: Tindomerel
VardaValar1: You guys said only the world mattered, not the server
VardaValar1: heh
ArPharazonV: there's a very nasty beep on my pc now
ArPharazonV: even after shutting down WoS
VardaValar1: How do you tell what server you are on? It ws a random thing far as I could tell
VardaValar1: Not a good sign
VardaValar1: What names are you guys using?
ArPharazonV: I'll save this meeting, it's no use... rebooting
VardaValar1: okie dokie
ArPharazonV: Namarie, brb
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VardaValar1: Please use something like your guild name if you can
VardaValar1: Fainan here. I think Bhon is using Finduilas
VardaValar1: Orodreth, should I assume you will not be using Orodreth?
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VardaValar1: Aiya Phar
ArPharazonV: Aiya
VardaValar1: Pharazon, will you be using the Pharazon name?
ArPharazonV: Calion
BhonTuath: Aiya and welcome back
VardaValar1: okies
VardaValar1: Now what is this about picking a server? I only saw a world choice.
BhonTuath: when you start the game for the first time they ask you whart server you want
BhonTuath: and one option is any publically available server
VardaValar1: Aye, took that one instead of LAN or other
ArPharazonV: can you hear me in there?
VardaValar1: just looked yes, Calion :-)
ArPharazonV: respond, darnit ;-)
VardaValar1: did
BhonTuath: right I will use Ferinor as an official second name , I will introduce him as a character somewher ;-)
BhonTuath: you know when I cant change the scrren or user name or some such
VardaValar1: Why Ferinor?
Orodreth V: Unless my characters have survived, I will use Oro.
Orodreth V: Now back to kicking my router.
ArPharazonV: I see you, Fainan ;-)
VardaValar1: Not official with us, far as I know : )
BhonTuath: Im under that in Shadows of Anmar, even though it starts some what .. ye can guess that . I am a lady hihi
VardaValar1: Is anyone still here who wants to do chat?
VardaValar1: *bangs gavel*
BhonTuath: not me its time to go for me any way\
BhonTuath: i ll think or hope it will be done tomorrow ..
VardaValar1: It's just that if you're with us, your "official" name has to do with Finduilas
VardaValar1: Take care
BhonTuath: yep I will
VardaValar1: I'll start paying attention to this game : )
BhonTuath: no worries L)
BhonTuath: :-)
ArPharazonV: wooh, killed my first mob, a lvl 2!
VardaValar1: grats
BhonTuath: see you foks until next week
BhonTuath: /quit
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Eonwe Valar: Did anyone have comments or questions about the answers to the trivia?
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AuSteinM: Aiya
Eonwe Valar: Heya
VardaValar1: Aiya AuStein!
AuSteinM: Its been a while, how are you?
VardaValar1: Good
ArPharazonV: god, I'd forgotten how nice this music was ;-)
VardaValar1: We've been using your server for the art page
AuSteinM: I'm glad its been put to good use
VardaValar1: Thank you
VardaValar1: Feel free to check on the art page and see what we're doing with your server. : )
VardaValar1: This is our starting point, then we jump to the pictures:
Orodreth V: Alright, I think I fixed it..restarting router.
VardaValar1: good news there, Orodreth : )
VardaValar1: We're trying to game in Well of Souls, just downloaded it. Free is good
AuSteinM: Looks good
VardaValar1: Seems to let us play with friends all over the world.
VardaValar1: ah good. :-)
ArPharazonV: hmm... this beastmaster guy.... how does he tame a pet?
VardaValar1: We haven't been causing you any problems with your server, have we?
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AuSteinM: None at all. Actually, the server was upgraded in mid-March, so it can handle just about any load
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VardaValar1: That is great news : )
VardaValar1: We are getting the hang of doing more art with less space
Orodreth V: ...and I missed is.. :|
VardaValar1: Eonwe and Arwen have helped a lot on that!
Orodreth V: /me aaahm and ummms
Orodreth V: Let's see if ti worked.
Orodreth V: argh
Orodreth V: and all the empty servers have world args set
Orodreth V: looks liek we'll be playing on a public server
Orodreth V: :s
VardaValar1: Come join us then, Oro :-)
Orodreth V: Sorry.
VardaValar1: It's great being able to do a game that ignores oceans again. : )
Orodreth V: I'll play more with my router later.
ArPharazonV: Orodreth, you know the beastmaster class?
ArPharazonV: how does he learn this tame-spell?
Orodreth V: ...possibly?
Orodreth V: I'm really rusty.
Orodreth V: ...even though I designed quests for this world...
Orodreth V: Umm.
Orodreth V: Talk to the beastmaster int he starting town.
Orodreth V: I can't recall if he gives it to you or if he tells you where to get it.
VardaValar1: Luthien is Tindomerel
Orodreth V: Oooh.
Orodreth V: Forgot I had a golem.
ArPharazonV: oh, right, the wildheart manor
Orodreth V: Dorfl can sit in the well though.
Orodreth V: Time to make a fun character.
Orodreth V: Lemme open a channel in there.
Orodreth V: someone pick a number 1-9000
ArPharazonV: 4892
Orodreth V: everyone type /im 4892 on the chat bar
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Eonwe Valar: Internet disconnected.
VardaValar1: Welceom back
Eonwe Valar: Thanks
Eonwe Valar: Arg, now WoW's not letting me back on.
Eonwe Valar: Can everyone hear me here?
AuSteinM: Loud and Clear
AuSteinM: (here)
VardaValar1: I hear you
VardaValar1: Bilbo said he crashed too
ArPharazonV: wooh, have my tame spell ;-)
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Eonwe Valar: ok, so at least it's not my connection.
ArPharazonV: I have a wasp pet!
ArPharazonV: am I still in the right channel?
Eonwe Valar: Not since you have a wasp pet :}
Eonwe Valar: kidding :}
Eonwe Valar: Shutting down AIM to avoid lag in Straholme. Take care all and hf in WoS :}
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ArPharazonV: Namarie, gotta go
ArPharazonV: I can send both parts of the transcript I've saved, if you like
ArPharazonV: ok, both parts are sent
ArPharazonV: Namarie all!
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VardaValar1: Thanks