Valar Guild

June 18, 2006 Meeting

5pm EST (GMT - 5); (GMT = 22:00)
AIM: Valar Guild Meetingplace

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Transcript work by: 
Ar-Pharazon-(V), Eonwe-(Valar), and Varda-(Valar)

Attending (10):
    Members: Aerandir-(V)/mordacil, ArPharazonV, Eonwe Valar, FanduilasV, GilraenV, LuthienV, Menelvagor Valar, Orodreth V/Oessala, VardaValar1 (presiding)
    Visitor: crasyboy45 (would like to join)

Meeting Begins
    Games Page
    Humor page
    RP board by Finduilas-(V) now up for playing any time in Tolkien's books
    Eve Online
    Well of Souls
    Ultima Online
    Lord of the Rings Online
    World of WarCraft:
       In general:
          Trolls' complete history
          Quest rewards and new patterns for Argent Dawn and Naxxramas
          Blizzard Update Downloader fixable to prevent crashes and lag, especially on dial-up and older computers.
       WoW Europe: Argent Dawn server
       WoW Americas:
          Lothar server for Alliance - full guild branch
          Uldaman server for Horde
    Father's Day topic: Who are some of the fathers in the books and what were they like?
After-meeting: (Tolkien and WoS gaming)
    Galadriel's relation to Feanor.
    Luthien: how Tindomeral can mean nightingale.
    Translating "Orelinde" (bits dug out during other conversation for quite a while.)
    Silmarillion: what it is.
    Quenya: what it is.
    WoS (Well of Souls) questions
       Aerianell all the way down
       /im 8492

You have just entered room "valarguildmeetingplace."
VardaValar1 has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya Pharazon :-)
ArPharazonV: Aiya
ArPharazonV: sorry, didn't notice your message
ArPharazonV: been in msn conversation with a friend, and I've been in here since about 90 minutes ago
VardaValar1: np
VardaValar1: A bit early, weren't you? :-)
ArPharazonV: yeah, but my monitor's acting up, very dark/purple most of the time, and I wanted to see if this meeting was doable without hurting my eyes
VardaValar1: Is it?
ArPharazonV: it is, yes
VardaValar1: Yay!
VardaValar1: not your video card?
ArPharazonV: oh well, getting a new monitor tomorrow probably
VardaValar1: Good to hear. :-)
ArPharazonV: no, I've been told it's the monitor by many people who once had the same thing
VardaValar1: Good to have help like that.
VardaValar1: I sure hope you can save and send the meeting today. I'm on the wrong comp.
ArPharazonV: I hope so too, but I have the feeling my monitor might die any moment...
VardaValar1: Or right comp, since it has a battery backup to handle the storm outside. : )
VardaValar1: okies. I'll manage.
VardaValar1: Father's Day. We'll have a low turnout.
VardaValar1: Inviting now.
ArPharazonV: if it does at the wrong time, I won't even be able to save, let alone say proper goodbye :-)
ArPharazonV: ah, right
LuthienV has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya Luthien : )
Menelvagor Valar has entered the room.
LuthienV: Heya : )
ArPharazonV: Aiya Luthien and Menel
Menelvagor Valar: Aiya
ArPharazonV: Menelvagor, remember Lalaith?
VardaValar1: Hiya Menelvagor : )
mordacil has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Almost no one online.
VardaValar1: Aiya Aerandir : )
ArPharazonV: I sponsored her return into the High Guard today... maybe we can make contact again for the Valarguild, if she's still interested
mordacil: aiya
mordacil has left the room.
VardaValar1: If she's interested in adding to the Tolkien site, you have a good chance.
mordacil has entered the room.
VardaValar1: comp problems, Aerandir?
mordacil: quit the wrong window
Menelvagor Valar: afk, on the phone.
VardaValar1: okies
VardaValar1: hehe - understood
GilraenV has entered the room.
VardaValar1: We'll see if we can start when Menel returns
VardaValar1: Aiya Gilraen : )
GilraenV: Aiya :-)
VardaValar1: It was nice seeing you on Lothar!
VardaValar1: Maybe we'll just let Menel scroll. ;-)

VardaValar1: Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo!
VardaValar1: Membership Report:
VardaValar1: Finduilas-(TV), who comes here as BhonTuath, passed her Full Membership test and is now Finduilas-(V)!
VardaValar1: Huzzah for Finduilas!
ArPharazonV: Grats to her!
VardaValar1: Cassia-(TV), who makes the photomanip illustrations for her and Siobhan-(TV)'s Lord of the Rings stories...
VardaValar1: has a job creating images for a television station.
VardaValar1: Goes to show you can turn your hobby knowledge into a good job. : )
FanduilasV has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Pharazon found Lalaith-(V)-ex and she's playing on WoW Europe now.
VardaValar1: Aiya, Findulas? : )
ArPharazonV: she's not an ex-valar...
FanduilasV: Aiya Varda and all
VardaValar1: We were just talking about you
FanduilasV: oo
LuthienV: Aiya Finduilas and Congrats
ArPharazonV: she's an ex-high guard, the European WoW guild
VardaValar1: not, ah ok
VardaValar1: Just the same name. : )
ArPharazonV: and once showed interest in joining the Valarguild
VardaValar1: We used to have a Lalaith
ArPharazonV: we did? cool
VardaValar1: Aye
VardaValar1: Name's free now if she wants it. : )
ArPharazonV: anyway, I got her back into the high guard, and will take a shot at getting her interested again :-)
ArPharazonV: perhaps she'll be glad to know, then :-)
VardaValar1: See if she would like to add to the web site, if she has any leanings that way?
VardaValar1: She could go TV even if she doesn't want V
ArPharazonV: I'll talk to her about it
VardaValar1: Cool
VardaValar1: Any other member news?
ArPharazonV: my monitor's dying!
VardaValar1: We need a monitor heal potion for Pharazon.
Eonwe Valar has entered the room.
ArPharazonV: at least, I think it's the monitor, we're going to the shop tomorrow, might as well take it for testing, instead of it being the videocard or something :P
GilraenV: Gwaihir probably won't be joining us
GilraenV: he was up late for a Father's Day thing with his parents
ArPharazonV: it's now quite dark and purple, if anyone recognizes the problem
VardaValar1: Thanks, Gilraen
VardaValar1: Aiya Eonwe : )
Eonwe Valar: Heya
Eonwe Valar: Happy Father'ss Day to all the Fathers of the Guild!
VardaValar1: Fangorn says thank you. : )
VardaValar1: Any further membership news?
VardaValar1: In a combo Membership and Web news,
VardaValar1: Finduilas has her website up and running:
VardaValar1: Finduilas, would you like to tell us about it?
ArPharazonV: it's so odd... green shows as black, Varda and Gilraen have the same lightblue color, pink and white are indiscernable (sp?)...
FanduilasV: Sure thing , its for general Tolkien discussion and text role playing
FanduilasV: i can change the layout
FanduilasV: np
ArPharazonV: no, it's my monitor, sorry :-)
FanduilasV: it covers the whole history of Arda more or less so if any one wants to play in Valinor , Tol Ereesea or Numenor haver fun ;-)
VardaValar1: His monitor is due for replacement tomorrow, with good fortune.
ArPharazonV: ooh, Numenor
ArPharazonV: no place like home!
VardaValar1: hehe
VardaValar1: Even if a trifle soggy?
ArPharazonV: beats the stuffy cave
VardaValar1: There's that.

VardaValar1: Web News:
VardaValar1: Eonwe, go ahead. : )
Eonwe Valar: Thanks :}
Eonwe Valar: As some of you may know, I've been working on the Games Page, recoding it using PHP to make a (hopefully) nicer-looking and, as importantly, an easier web page for me to maintain :}
Eonwe Valar: Well, so near am I to completion (as near as one ever gets with an ongoing project, hehe) and so anxious am I to get this new version out and about, that I have decided to hold the Games Page Update early this year.
VardaValar1: As in wipe out all the old info completely and replace it?
Eonwe Valar: Aye :}
Eonwe Valar: The same thing I usually do about a month before Anniversary time, I am doing over the next month.
Eonwe Valar: I will be wiping the slate clean, and sending out letters asking again for everyone's most recent Gaming info.
Eonwe Valar: As a special treat to those of you who have shown up today though, You can whisper me your new gaming info today :}
VardaValar1: Now treated. Thanks. : )
Eonwe Valar: Since I like to add some general info into the mail about games we're doing or have done over the last year, I'd like Branch Leaders to send in a bit about their games to go in to Letter
Eonwe Valar: Feel free to whisper me your gaming info beginning a few minutes ago :}
Eonwe Valar: Our Branches currently are WoW, LotRO, and I believe there's a few starting up Well of Souls again.
FanduilasV: I have seen Boromir shortly yesterday
Eonwe Valar: LotRO is quite started up, but we can still try to get members in there :}
Eonwe Valar: *Isn't quite
VardaValar1: Okie dokie
Eonwe Valar: Ok, think I've covered it all. Any questions? :}
Eonwe Valar: I hope to send out the letters early in the week, Monday or Tuesday.
VardaValar1: I guess we don't really have a leader for Battlenet
VardaValar1: We still have some gamers there though
Eonwe Valar: Aye, we do still have gamers there.
Eonwe Valar: I am done btw :}
VardaValar1: Thank you, Eonwe
VardaValar1: In web news for the Tolkien site:
VardaValar1: new link for the Links page:
VardaValar1: Silmarillion, an rp forum
VardaValar1: link mentioned by Eonwe
VardaValar1: In case any wish to take a look
VardaValar1: Humor page menus are now separated from the Encyc menus to help with bookmarks and linking
VardaValar1: Art page:
VardaValar1: Turgon-(V) has new art up
VardaValar1: "Ancalagon the Black", "Dol Guldur".
VardaValar1: Cassia-(TV) has an illustration for the new one chapter story, "Sickness"
VardaValar1: Stories:
VardaValar1: The story by Cassia and Siobhan, "Sickness"
VardaValar1: /Sickness.htm
VardaValar1: It sounds like a turn-off title, but the concept is interesting
VardaValar1: Elves are not used to the concept of sickness, as they don't have it.
VardaValar1: So when one sees it in a human friend, it can be startling.
VardaValar1: That's it for the Tolkien site for this week's news, except for a request.
VardaValar1: Members seem to think the Encyclopedia is complet.
VardaValar1: It's no more complete than the word I just typo'd.
VardaValar1: We have a great many topics up that have nothing under them, or very short bits, or just an image.
VardaValar1: We need your help to make this a really good and thorough site.
VardaValar1: People do use us as a reference, so please do your best, using original sources of Tolkien books.
VardaValar1: The web is unreliable too often
VardaValar1: Even books that are out are imperfect
VardaValar1: the book on Languages out by Ms. Noel now is 30 years old and not updated.
VardaValar1: Things like that.
VardaValar1: Looking through the books for your research can be hazardous
VardaValar1: as they can pull you in to start reading again. : )
VardaValar1: But looking up something usually shows some neat bit you didn't think to put in just from memory.
VardaValar1: Have fun with it!
VardaValar1: I'm done. : )
VardaValar1: Any other web news?
Menelvagor Valar: back.
VardaValar1: Menelvagor, do you have web news?

VardaValar1: Gaming:
VardaValar1: Who has played anything this week that is not WoW? Such as WoS or other? : )
Menelvagor Valar: well...
Menelvagor Valar: I do have some gaming news.
VardaValar1: Fire : )
Menelvagor Valar: not that I played the game, but I watched it :)
FanduilasV: hehe I have some gaming news
Menelvagor Valar: as some of you may know, two days ago was the soccer match Italy versus US.
FanduilasV: oops soz
Menelvagor Valar: and miracles do happen, for we managed to tie with the Italians.
Menelvagor Valar: which is a magnificent result!
Menelvagor Valar: just wanted to congratulate all Americans on this marvelous match :)
Eonwe Valar: US = us or US = United States? :}
Menelvagor Valar: United States.
ArPharazonV: so, Menel, have you severed all bonds with your native country then? claiming US as your country? ;-)
Menelvagor Valar: I wouldn't report on a Dutch soccer match :-P
Eonwe Valar: hehe
VardaValar1: Dual citizenship maybe? : )
Menelvagor Valar: in heart and soul, the US is my country, yes :)
Eonwe Valar: Thanks for the congrats :} I'm sure our fine atheletes will appreciate it :}
VardaValar1: We are honored, Menelvagor.
ArPharazonV: for your information, we won both matches played already! already set for the next round :-)
ArPharazonV: we'll have to see if the US gets that far ;-)
Menelvagor Valar: if they have Guus Hiddink as coach in 2014, they're sure to win the World Cup.
ArPharazonV: isn't Hiddink going to coach Russia?
Menelvagor Valar: well, all they need is a win again Ghana, and Italy a win against the Chech republic.
Menelvagor Valar: next time, yes, that's for 2010.
ArPharazonV: ah, of course
Menelvagor Valar: hence 2014 :-D
ArPharazonV: can't believe I'm talking soccer... I hate that sport :;-)
Menelvagor Valar: not precisely my sport either, but sometimes, it is fun to watch.
Menelvagor Valar: (South Korea tied against France today :-D)
VardaValar1: Are you done, Menel? : )
Menelvagor Valar: yes, done :)
VardaValar1: Thanks for you report. : )
VardaValar1: Finduilas, go ahead.
Menelvagor Valar: I'll go and update the humor site now with the requested changes :)
VardaValar1: Thank you : )
VardaValar1: (Webwork never ends!)
FanduilasV: Okay dok
FanduilasV: I met Orod twice this week on Eve online
FanduilasV: we both got blasted but thats life ..
Menelvagor Valar: (just checking, is that "Parasite Eve" Eve?)
FanduilasV: Eve online
FanduilasV: its a game, no parasite Menel hehe
Menelvagor Valar: do you perhaps have a link to a website for that game?
Menelvagor Valar:
Menelvagor Valar: never mind, found it already :)
Menelvagor Valar: at least, hope that's the one :)
FanduilasV: yep thats it
FanduilasV: ye can have a free trial for a fortnight
Eonwe Valar: Got quiet in here all of a sudden, heh.
VardaValar1: I was waiting for someone to say they were done, and got involved with three side windows. Sorry : )
VardaValar1: Well of Souls has a group playing there
VardaValar1: A little trouble coming on at the same time
VardaValar1: so we might try to mention when a good time is for us
VardaValar1: Luthien plays as Tindomeral
VardaValar1: Are you there, Luthien? : )
LuthienV: Yes : )
VardaValar1: Cool : )
VardaValar1: do you have any particular time you prefer for WoS?
VardaValar1: Mine is very irregular
ArPharazonV: so is mine.. especially since I'm raiding in WoW at least 4 evenings a week
LuthienV: I'm extremely flexable, so I can play whenever its convienient for the others
VardaValar1: So we're all irregular : )
VardaValar1: Maybe after meetings? :-)
LuthienV: Seems like a good time
FanduilasV: for me Wednesday afternoons, thursdays and fridays are the best
ArPharazonV: depending if the meeting doesn't end too late, for me :-)
FanduilasV: I cant stay too long after the meeting, aye
VardaValar1: maybe you can sneak in during the meeting, but I didn't say that. ; )
VardaValar1: Other people are gaming while in the meeting ; )
FanduilasV: am I ?
VardaValar1: Some do
FanduilasV: /me looks innocent
crasyboy45 has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Don't know about anyone I can't see over Fangorn's shoulder. ; )
VardaValar1: Heya!
crasyboy45: hi! :P
VardaValar1: Crasyboy is a gentleman some of us met at the LotR Exhibit for the movies in Houston, Texas. : )
Eonwe Valar: Greetings :}
VardaValar1: He somehow found me online, good job!
LuthienV: Aiya
FanduilasV: Aiya crasyboy
VardaValar1: He plays Ultima Online : )
crasyboy45: hehe i dont even know how i got your sn lol
crasyboy45: yes i play ultima online
crasyboy45: :D
crasyboy45: i play on the ABC UO shard
VardaValar1: We exchanged info at the Exhibit : )
crasyboy45: oh yeah lol
crasyboy45: what games do yall play?
VardaValar1: Eonwe, I'll let you field that one. : )
crasyboy45: oh wait im in the north now lol i have to say you guys. . . . lol
VardaValar1: For starters, does anyone in the room play Ultima Online as well?
Menelvagor Valar: used to.
crasyboy45: awesome
Menelvagor Valar: long, long time ago.
VardaValar1: So you can at least understand each other's jargon. : )
crasyboy45: what shard/ shards did you play
crasyboy45: ?
Menelvagor Valar: I still have the cd somewhere though.
Menelvagor Valar: no idea, I only had the very first UO game, no expansions.
Eonwe Valar: Will answer all your gaming questions, for now :}
Menelvagor Valar: back then, it was still called servers.
VardaValar1: or maybe not. : )
crasyboy45: it is still cales servers
Eonwe Valar: It'll be updated in the next month, at which todays info on the page will be obsolete :}
crasyboy45: we just like saying shards makes it more personal
crasyboy45: varda you win everything
crasyboy45: lol
VardaValar1: Ones in this room play World of WarCraft, Well of Souls, and a bunch of others.
crasyboy45: i always wanted to play WoW but never wanted to fork out the cash
VardaValar1: I wish, crasy : )
VardaValar1: We intend to go into Lord of the Rings Online
VardaValar1: if it ever comes out. ; )
crasyboy45: hehe im sure some fan will make it
crasyboy45: :D
VardaValar1: It's in beta now and we are signing up hoping to get in, maybe as a guild.
crasyboy45: awesome as like beta testers
crasyboy45: thats how i got this verson of uo free
VardaValar1: The sign up asks if you are in a guild, so we have hope.
VardaValar1: Nice!
crasyboy45: i love free gaming
VardaValar1: Exactly as in beta testers.
crasyboy45: i hat having to pay to play
crasyboy45: well im always looking for new gaming Experiances
VardaValar1: That's why we had a lot of folk in Battlenet so long. : )
crasyboy45: battlenet?
VardaValar1: Diablo series, StarCraft/BroodWar, WarCraft/The Frozen Throne
VardaValar1: Who here is good at using Ventrilo? We have a question
VardaValar1: WoW reports next.
VardaValar1: Pharazon, do you have one for Europe?
VardaValar1: *pokes Phar*
ArPharazonV: hm? oh
ArPharazonV: well, let's see what we've got
ArPharazonV: I spoke to Valandile this week again, promised to make him a Hide of the Wild providing we can get the ingredients together
VardaValar1: Good to hear he's still active. : )
ArPharazonV: we finally killed the dreaded Huhuran, a very annoying boss in Ahn'Qiraj
GilraenV has left the room.
GilraenV has entered the room.
ArPharazonV: next stop will be the Twin Emperors, or more accurately the trashmobs before them... hardly able to call them "trash" at their difficulty :-)
ArPharazonV: outside the game itself, Blizzard has made some revelations on their website
ArPharazonV: including a complete lore-summary of the Trolls of the Warcraft-series, all the different tribes and their history etc
ArPharazonV: is the link
VardaValar1: Thanks
ArPharazonV: they've also revealed some of the quest rewards and new patterns for Argent Dawn and Naxxramas, for any raiders among you, the new instance added in the next patch
ArPharazonV: ehrr.. wrong one
ArPharazonV: /factions/argent/
ArPharazonV: I've levelled all my alts from 1 to 6 this week.... unless I told you last week, in which case I'm a week confused :-)
VardaValar1: hehe
VardaValar1: Congrats
crasyboy45: is that good?
VardaValar1: Depends on the number of alts
ArPharazonV: so now they've completed all the quests in their starting zones and are located at their first inn and mailbox!
crasyboy45: ohh kewl
ArPharazonV: 8 characters, of which 5 alts at lvl 1
ArPharazonV: and now at 6 ;-)
ArPharazonV: quite easy and fast, but still fun to get to know all the alliance classes I hadn't really played yet :-)
crasyboy45: oh awesome
ArPharazonV: well, that concludes my report.. perhaps I'll have more news and raid-progress for you next week!
VardaValar1: Thank you, Ar-Pharazon the Golden! : )
VardaValar1: Eonwe, would you like to give the WoW Lothar report now?
Eonwe Valar: Sure
crasyboy45: Lothar is that a server?
VardaValar1: Yes it is : )
crasyboy45: sorry for not being knowlageable?
crasyboy45: :-P
VardaValar1: No problem. Asking is how you get that way, along with doing of course. : )
ArPharazonV: the European server we play on is called Argent Dawn, btw
crasyboy45: if i could i would do it
Eonwe Valar: Ugluk and I(my Priest) got together with a couple of people he knew, and another from the area to complete the Stromgarde quests for his Paladin: Marez Cowl, Stromgarde Badges, Otto and Falconcrest.
VardaValar1: (Kalasul is Eonwe's priest)
Eonwe Valar: The Badges were fairly easy, getting them along the way. Marez Cowl also was pretty easy to take down.
Eonwe Valar: Our group had a couple of close calls, but all in all it wasn't too bad.
Eonwe Valar: Then we got to Otto and Falconcrest. For some strange reason, that was not a very pretty fight.
VardaValar1: Close calls make it more fun. : )
crasyboy45: heh
Eonwe Valar: After a couple of deaths, we did get both of them, though.
crasyboy45: so you can res in wow thats kewl we can in up as well we just loose fame
Eonwe Valar: I managed to get lvl 40 in the process.
VardaValar1: yay!
Eonwe Valar: Not that I was trying to level in Stromgarde, heh.
Eonwe Valar: It didn't give me a choice :}
Eonwe Valar: Afterwards, we went over to the circle where the Princess is trapped, and dealt with her.
Eonwe Valar: Later that night, Beline and I went into Scarlet Monstary to two-man it. His lvl 40 Druid and my now lvl 40 Priest were doing fairly well. I'd mind control one of the guys he wasn't attacking (very handy when that guy is a healer)
Eonwe Valar: It wasn't particularly fast-going though, and so when we finally did get cornered between a patrolling mage and a group we were fighting, they got us.
Eonwe Valar: It was getting late by then (or perhaps early would be a better description) so Beline brought in his Paladin and we dealt with our would-be killers :}
Eonwe Valar: My Priest got a new hat and made lvl 41 in the process, so now I just have to get his mount :}
Eonwe Valar: Thus ends my report :}
VardaValar1: Thank you, Eonwe!
VardaValar1: I publicly apologize to Eonwe for forgetting it was guild night and not coming to Lothar Friday.
VardaValar1: I remembered about midnight. A real d'oh! moment.
Eonwe Valar: It's ok, Varda :}
VardaValar1: Anyway, a bit more on the WoW front.
VardaValar1: Some people, especially with older computers or dial-up have been lagging badly or crashing a great deal.
VardaValar1: Eonwe suggested a fix that has worked for at least two people I know of
VardaValar1: and speeded up others like us with broadband.
VardaValar1: Eonwe told about the problem with the Blizzard Update Downloader
VardaValar1: Go to the WoW folder on your computer.
VardaValar1: Open that file.
VardaValar1: It makes an icon on the taskbar at the bottom of your screen while checking your patch.
VardaValar1: Open the icon on the taskbar
VardaValar1: Open Preferences
VardaValar1: Uncheck the box for downloading and uploading bits of the upcoming patch between your computer and others done at odd times.
VardaValar1: It spikes your load and can crash you.
VardaValar1: In other WoW News:
crasyboy45: man that was impresive sounds like you jus t did it hehe
VardaValar1: Some of the Lothar group wanted to try out Horde together.
ArPharazonV: oh, gonna try that one... never noticed the thing, but I've crashed on more than one occasion
VardaValar1: I did it for me on two comps here and helped walk several people through it. : )
VardaValar1: It really helps.
Menelvagor Valar has left the room.
VardaValar1: You might have to put it back for the Tuesday patches : )
Menelvagor Valar has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiyata : )
FanduilasV: re'Menel ')
FanduilasV: ;-)
Menelvagor Valar: sorry, ran into a screen malfunction when trying to start Eve.
VardaValar1: ouchie
VardaValar1: Anyway those of us wanting to play Horde
VardaValar1: are using Uldaman server
VardaValar1: We don't have a formal guild there, but could start up a casual one if the Valar would like it.
VardaValar1: In any case, we use /join Valar to make a channel so we can talk : )
VardaValar1: Would you like us to put up a page showing our Uldaman names for your friend list and maybe to help Eonwe's game page? : )
VardaValar1: ok : )
VardaValar1: Any further gaming news?

VardaValar1: Then on to Tolkien!
crasyboy45: ooo i know a bit about this :D
crasyboy45: finally something hehe
VardaValar1: Business meeting is over, so we get to talk about the books and make remarks about the movies.
VardaValar1: Hey, you knew some gaming. : )
crasyboy45: hehe give or take
VardaValar1: If none of you have a topic, I have one. And we can tangent at will as usual. : )
crasyboy45: okay :D
VardaValar1: Since this is Father's Day,
crasyboy45: is anyone there?
VardaValar1: who are some of the fathers in the books and what were they like?
VardaValar1: They can be adopted/foster/or blood fathers.
Eonwe Valar: Theoden was a father.
VardaValar1: Eru was a father in his way
VardaValar1: Aye, Eonwe
LuthienV: When I think of Fathers for some reason I think of Feanor first
VardaValar1: Manwe acts as a father to all of Middle-earth
Eonwe Valar: Theoden, until Saruman got to him, seemed to be a pretty good father. Neither Theodred nor Eomer nor Eowyn were particularly corrupt individuals.
VardaValar1: Finwe, Feanor's father, is one of the early ones discussed
VardaValar1: Aye, Feanor had many sons. : )
VardaValar1: Aye, all seemed to be quality people.
VardaValar1: Theoden's at least. : )
VardaValar1: Caranthir the Cruel, not so much. : )
crasyboy45: heh
ArPharazonV: how about Denethor and his sons?
Eonwe Valar: Fëanor likely loved his children, but he made them swear his oath again thrice before he finally died after the First Battle.
VardaValar1: Denethor, aye
VardaValar1: Oaths destroy freedom of choice, a terrible thing to take.
LuthienV: Of course I have to mention Thingol
VardaValar1: You tell them, Luthien!
ArPharazonV: Denethor's sons seem to have turned out fairly allright, though Boromir a little... impulsive, at least :-)
VardaValar1: The fatherhood probably affected their leadership styles too.
VardaValar1: hehe
LuthienV: When the Sil I always got the impression that Thingol was a little too overprotective.
LuthienV: When reading the Sil*
VardaValar1: Gandalf seemed to help raise Faramir as well.
VardaValar1: He had one daughter, the most beautiful in the world, and some human tried to swipe her?
Eonwe Valar: Luthien was a particularly beautiful daughter, and was half Maia. Likely he wanted to make sure she didn't end up with just any old guy.
VardaValar1: The human removed her from the world and his company to the end of Arda.
VardaValar1: So Thingol had a point, even if he was wrong. : )
ArPharazonV: yeah, I guess Thingol wouldn't like that..
Eonwe Valar: It's not like she wasn't immortal :} She had plenty of time to find a good man :}
LuthienV: Thingol was actually one of my favorite characters
Eonwe Valar: Just that good man didn't have eternity to find her :}
VardaValar1: hehe
VardaValar1: Thranduil may have originally been Thingol in the early versions.
crasyboy45: well it wa sfun i have to go now if i can fixmy own puter ill be back!
VardaValar1: You can see a few similarities.
VardaValar1: Good luck!
Eonwe Valar: Take care :}
ArPharazonV: well, if Thingol would have had something to say, it would probably have been an elf anyway...
ArPharazonV: but the heart wants what it wants!
LuthienV: Really? Thats interesting, I hadn't heard of that Varda.
crasyboy45: it was nice meeting yall
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LuthienV: Namarie Crasyboy
VardaValar1: He may be joining us in the future. : )
Eonwe Valar: There are places it says Thranduil mirrored his caves in Mirkwood after Thingol's Menegroth.
ArPharazonV: well, let's not forget daddy Gimilkhad, who did a swell job raising me into the powerhungry warmonger I am today!
VardaValar1: They both had a liking for treasure.
VardaValar1: lol Phar
VardaValar1: Well said
FanduilasV: hmmm hoarding too much treasure never does any god
FanduilasV: goodd
LuthienV: Yes...Smaug learned that the hard way..
VardaValar1: Smaug would argue with you if his hoard hadn't gotten him killed.
Eonwe Valar: Most Dwarves would as well :}
ArPharazonV: Mim comes to mind :-)
VardaValar1: Aragorn became a father, had a son, Eldarion, and a scad of daughters.
VardaValar1: Aye, Eonwe : )
VardaValar1: Mim, sort of sympathize, but not terribly much. Sad to see a whole race wiped out, once he was gone though.
Eonwe Valar: Aye.
VardaValar1: Elrond was a father of twin sons and a beautiful daughter
ArPharazonV: what happened to Mim's other son again?
VardaValar1: He had the same problem Thingol did, and set a task for the human too.
Eonwe Valar: Yeah, and there was no way he was letting her give up immortality for just any guy :}
ArPharazonV: at least Aragorn got away with both his hands intact :-)
VardaValar1: Plus Elrond fostered all the Chieftains as young children.
VardaValar1: Lucky Aragorn : )
Eonwe Valar: I'd say Aragorn's task was fairer, though. His was to live up to his potential. Beren's was to take a stretch way out there.
FanduilasV: tsss, at least one but he suffered a lot I bet
VardaValar1: I agree, Eonwe
VardaValar1: The fostering helped Elrond be more reasonable with humans, probably
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ArPharazonV: yeah, I don't really see Thingol fostering a line of humans...
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LuthienV: He also wasn't hidden away like Thingol was
VardaValar1: He accepted his brother Elros' choice, but it doesn't say how it made him feel about humans.
FanduilasV: He was part human ..
ArPharazonV: Aiyata, Menel
Eonwe Valar: Aragorn was "simply" to fullfill the prophecies about him. Beren had to go do something only a man in love would try :} Not even the sons of Fëanor dared try what he did.
Menelvagor Valar: sorry, retried Eve, same result.
VardaValar1: Aye, Elrond was very different
Menelvagor Valar: my monitor just doesn't like that game.
VardaValar1: Ouch, Menel
VardaValar1: Driver?
ArPharazonV: join me tomorrow, we'll both get a new one ;-)
VardaValar1: : )
VardaValar1: Now there's an offer.
LuthienV: Everything in the Sil seemed to be on a much grandeur scale like that
Eonwe Valar: After the Beren/Luthien venture, Thingol did act more kindly to humans however, and he did foster Turin.
ArPharazonV: true
VardaValar1: He learned
Eonwe Valar: Thingol had seen humans were no slouches when it came to great deeds.
VardaValar1: Maybe there is something to be said for long life. : ) Time to learn.
Eonwe Valar: :}
VardaValar1: Thranduil, suppose he had more than one kid?
VardaValar1: Doesn't even say if his wife was still around. Seems as if she should have had some mention.
Eonwe Valar: Maybe she sailed across the Sea.
VardaValar1: Faramir became a father
VardaValar1: Or, given the nature of Mirkwood, she could have died or been kept very protected.
VardaValar1: You'd think she'd at least say something to Galadriel after the War of the Ring, when Mirkwood and Lorien came together to destroy Dol Guldur.
Eonwe Valar: I know she's no Galadriel, but one would think the queen of a realm would be at parties :}
VardaValar1: Really! : )
VardaValar1: And we know Thranduil liked a good strong Dorwinion wine. : )
VardaValar1: Other fathers?
Eonwe Valar: I doubt she was so well protected as there to be absolutely no mention of her despite her being around.
Eonwe Valar: Sam was a father :}
ArPharazonV: I recall Thranduil mentioned in the Hobbit on parties in the forest etc... any mention of a consort?
VardaValar1: True, Eonwe!
VardaValar1: It doesn't give details
VardaValar1: He had plenty of company
VardaValar1: He probably had his family there
VardaValar1: Could have been one reason he was upset with the dwarves
VardaValar1: Speculation is fun. : )
ArPharazonV: "bah, finally get to spend some time with the wife and kids, and a bunch of dwarves come interrupting the fun"
VardaValar1: lol
LuthienV: hehe
VardaValar1: They seemed to be lightening the dark where they had their feasts
VardaValar1: So it may have served more than one purpose?
VardaValar1: The kings acted as fathers for their people too
VardaValar1: Thranduil was there taking care of his people and home/land like a father, and protecting it
ArPharazonV: Turgon, for example? protecting all of his people in his hidden valley, not wanting any of them to go out there and be killed?
VardaValar1: Aye!
ArPharazonV: Thranduil, reluctant to send people to the Nirnaeth
LuthienV: How about Finrods relationship with mankind? Could that be considered fatherly?
VardaValar1: It very well could, Luthien.
VardaValar1: He taught them and cared about them, so much that he gave his life for one.
ArPharazonV: stay stable, my sweet little monitor... you're allright now...
VardaValar1: hehe - good monitor, nice monitor
ArPharazonV: darn, went dark again
VardaValar1: ouch
LuthienV: guess it doesn't like positive re-enforcment
ArPharazonV: occasionally it goes normal for about 10 seconds to a minute
VardaValar1: Good thing we will post a transcript for you for when you can see again.
VardaValar1: Scroll fast!
ArPharazonV: it flickers a lot
ArPharazonV: and there it is again! good to see normal colors again
VardaValar1: Perhaps we should let you all go, hug your dads or those who act as dads. : )
VardaValar1: Even moms who act in the place of dads. : )
VardaValar1: Big brothers
VardaValar1: Boromir acted fatherly for Farm
VardaValar1: Faramir sometimes
Eonwe Valar: Boromir acted fatherly to Faramir?
VardaValar1: In a way
ArPharazonV: hmm... have yet to find a goldfarmer in WoW called Farmir... it's a nice idea though
VardaValar1: When they were younger
VardaValar1: hehe
VardaValar1: Typos ftw :-)

ArPharazonV: speaking of which... have you ever run into an anagram of your character?
VardaValar1: Have you?
VardaValar1: Ardav? : )
ArPharazonV: nope, though I have seen a druid around with the same name as the one I chose for my last name... one of the rogues in our guild ran into another rogue though, while mining in Silithus...
ArPharazonV: her name is Moiraene... the other rogue is Meirenao.... seems quite a coincidence ;-)
ArPharazonV: we've encountered various examples of these situations in our months on WoW...
Eonwe Valar: If you use the random name generator, you can end up with a name that looks suspiciously like someone elses. Beline and Beleene, for example, and about 300 other spellings of it.
ArPharazonV: have you ever seen something like that on Lothar?
Eonwe Valar: Yep.
VardaValar1: Those who want to game together, now's the time to call out for players
VardaValar1: Aye, we have
ArPharazonV: WoS?
ArPharazonV: it's lonely alone on the Aerianell server :-)
Eonwe Valar: It's bound to happen if you use the game's random name generator.
VardaValar1: rp players
LuthienV: I'll come join you Phara : )
VardaValar1: Go Tindomeral!
Eonwe Valar: Blizzard seems to steal parts of my names too.
VardaValar1: They may use a little elvish : )
ArPharazonV: I've seen a few Pharazon-variants running around...
VardaValar1: I've met some who didn't know they were using To,k
VardaValar1: Tolkien names
VardaValar1: were randomly generated
Eonwe Valar: I never saw a person's name starting with "Aur" until about 6 months after the game was released.
Eonwe Valar: And suddenly there were several of them.
VardaValar1: Interesting. I wonder if they do use bits of names we make for their random generator? Could get strange.
Eonwe Valar: I've encountered a few like that as well, Varda.
Eonwe Valar: *people who didn't realize their names were from Tolkien.
VardaValar1: Bilbo is on WoW Lothar right now as Valtocolindo : )
Menelvagor Valar: have to restart comp after installing some drivers, which should remedy monitor issues, brb.
VardaValar1: good luck!
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VardaValar1: Welcome back : )
crasyboy45: so wht are we talking bout
crasyboy45: fathers stiill?
FanduilasV: garks
VardaValar1: We were just ending up
ArPharazonV: garks?
crasyboy45: garks.
FanduilasV: sorz folkls
VardaValar1: hehe
FanduilasV: for that
crasyboy45: lol
FanduilasV: been messing about with Menel
VardaValar1: Fluent garble spoken here.
crasyboy45: nice
VardaValar1: At least two are going into (or in) Well of Souls
VardaValar1: Free game
crasyboy45: ending up whole thins?
ArPharazonV: wooh, my wasp is lvl 15!
crasyboy45: FREE
VardaValar1: Pretty much
crasyboy45: i like it
VardaValar1: hehe
FanduilasV: right what I wanted to know , as its touching the topic
VardaValar1: grats : )
crasyboy45: prety much. . .
VardaValar1: So you might like it
FanduilasV: Galadriel - was she Feanors sister?
VardaValar1: rp players, Phar, Eonwe, Menel, me
VardaValar1: No
Eonwe Valar: No, Galadriel was his niece.
LuthienV: Neice
VardaValar1: Finrod's sister
FanduilasV: ah of course cheers
crasyboy45: hehe\
ArPharazonV: daughter of Finarfin, aye
VardaValar1: From the golden-haired House of Finarfin. : )
VardaValar1: Finarfin, a dad with some good kids
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crasyboy45: finartin
LuthienV: Always wondered if Galadriel and Finarfin had a nice father/daughter reunion when she went back to Valinor
Menelvagor Valar: back again.
VardaValar1: How's it look, Menel?
crasyboy45: WB me to :P
Menelvagor Valar: *crosses fingers and hopes it works this time.
Eonwe Valar: Sounds like a good idea for a story, Luthien :}
Menelvagor Valar: dunno, graphics at start-up seem a bit weird.
VardaValar1: I'll read it, Luthien : )
crasyboy45: luthien
LuthienV: Not much of a writer, arts my thing : )
crasyboy45: im confuzzled not
crasyboy45: now
VardaValar1: Speaking of, good luck with your painting!
crasyboy45: i have to reread the books
VardaValar1: We tend to refer back to conversations from long ago, and all the books
FanduilasV: No worries Crasy I am still at it lol
VardaValar1: Feel free to ask questions
Menelvagor Valar: crossing fingers seemed to have worked :)
VardaValar1: We love to talk
VardaValar1: yay finger-crossing!
ArPharazonV: Luthien! Daughter of Thingol and Melian, beloved of Beren who called her Tinuviel
VardaValar1: Tinuviel the Nightingale : )
crasyboy45: i will never remember but i sure enough info shoved in at one time something wil stay hehe
ArPharazonV: I used to wonder about that, as Lomelinde was Elvish for nightingale... then I found out he called her Nightingale in his own Beorian language
VardaValar1: That human!
crasyboy45: what ddoes Orelinde mean
crasyboy45: i have a friend on uo named that
VardaValar1: the linde part refers to being a singer
crasyboy45: so like a singer of metal?
crasyboy45: like a smith maybe
crasyboy45: ?
ArPharazonV: or one of them modern singers like.. what's that band called who won the European songfestival?
VardaValar1: hmm, Ori, Orome, Orodreth...
VardaValar1: Orophin
crasyboy45: heh
VardaValar1: Orocarni
crasyboy45: what does that mean.. . .
Eonwe Valar: Orod is mountain, Orn is tree.
LuthienV: maybe its more like "earth singer" rather than metal
VardaValar1: Orodruin
ArPharazonV: mountain singer, eh?
Eonwe Valar: Ost I think is tower.
crasyboy45: gosh you guys do study
Eonwe Valar: I pulled out my Sil :}
crasyboy45: i like earth/ moutian singer better
ArPharazonV: what's the English word for that? yodelling?
Eonwe Valar: mountain singer... so this person yodels?
VardaValar1: Oro is used for red in some spots
Eonwe Valar: hehe, thinking the same thing there, Phar :}
VardaValar1: Orome is "horn-blowing"
crasyboy45: lol
FanduilasV: heheh I like that
Eonwe Valar: pardon, "Os(t)" is "fortress"
crasyboy45: mayb it means they work with the earth singer doesnt mean literal
VardaValar1: Orodruin "mountain of red flame"
VardaValar1: Orod is a form of mountain ered
crasyboy45: mountian singer
Eonwe Valar: Ered is plural.
crasyboy45: maybe she is a dwarf
crasyboy45: . . .
Eonwe Valar: Orod is singular.
VardaValar1: Ormenel is "day-heaven"
VardaValar1: So Or could be "day"
VardaValar1: Thanks Eonwe, sounds right.
VardaValar1: Ormenel is Sindarin
crasyboy45: im llost now
VardaValar1: Ormal is Quenya for "lofty gold"
crasyboy45: odod is sungular for day?
crasyboy45: orod
crasyboy45: ?
Eonwe Valar: Orod is singular for Mountain.
VardaValar1: Orelinde. hmmm.
Eonwe Valar: Ered is the Plural form.
VardaValar1: Orod is "mountain", ered is "mountains"
VardaValar1: this may not be Orod
crasyboy45: layb is is orel?
crasyboy45: maybe
VardaValar1: ?
crasyboy45: idk
crasyboy45: lol
crasyboy45: does just plain inde mean anyhting
crasyboy45: ?
VardaValar1: Indis is a name
VardaValar1: Quenya Elvish
VardaValar1: Here's some good stuff in the Sil
VardaValar1: orn is "tree"
crasyboy45: whats the Sil
VardaValar1: orod "mountain"
VardaValar1: os(t) is "fortress"
LuthienV: Silmarilion
VardaValar1: Pardon, Sil is short for Silmarillion for the terminally lazy.
crasyboy45: and that is?
VardaValar1: The Silmarillion is a book by JRR Tolkien
VardaValar1: but his notes, put together by Christopher Tolkien, his son.
VardaValar1: Chris tried to make the notes into a coherent book form for us.
VardaValar1: Gives background to JRRT's universe.
VardaValar1: Does that help? : )
crasyboy45: awesome
crasyboy45: i want that
VardaValar1: Get it. : )
crasyboy45: not hardback though
crasyboy45: lol
VardaValar1: Used book store paperback work?
crasyboy45: yess ma'am
crasyboy45: :
crasyboy45: :D
crasyboy45: :-D
VardaValar1: Poor Christopher. He had to wade through masses of nearly illegible notes
Eonwe Valar: Checked through the Lorebook, nothing for "Ore"
crasyboy45: im sure he felt lead to do it
VardaValar1: There was a paper shortage in England, so some were scrawled on the back of an envelope and marked over
ArPharazonV: eck, Well of Souls is at it again, looping the sound even though I shut down the game
VardaValar1: ouch, Phar
crasyboy45: oh well of sould
crasyboy45: thats the fre game
VardaValar1: Aye : )
VardaValar1: Want to download and try it?
ArPharazonV: really annoying... gonna save in 2 parts again, and reboot
FanduilasV: hhehe
VardaValar1: We use world Aerianell
FanduilasV: the server is screwed up tonight
crasyboy45: yes i want to dl it
VardaValar1: Sounds familiar for all games. : )
ArPharazonV: ok, saved... see ya soon
LuthienV: You two are already on?! Gah...need to log on then
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crasyboy45: ima join it :D
crasyboy45: you guys will hook me up :D
VardaValar1: Orodreth is here :-)
Orodreth V has entered the room.
Oessala has entered the room.
FanduilasV: Orod :-D
crasyboy45: heyas orodreth
LuthienV: Heya Oro and Oess
Orodreth V: /me waves
FanduilasV: Aiya
VardaValar1: Another WoS player : )
crasyboy45: whats the site to dl it
crasyboy45: ?
Orodreth V:
ArPharazonV has entered the room.
crasyboy45: awesome thanks
ArPharazonV: Aiya
LuthienV: welcome back Phara
crasyboy45: wb :D
Orodreth V: Aiya Ar.
ArPharazonV: that's it... not going to play WoS during the meeting again :-)
Orodreth V: you get to 20 yet? :o
ArPharazonV: ehrr... 16.3, I think
Orodreth V: /me hides his level
ArPharazonV: you at 100 yet?
crasyboy45: can someone donate 10 bucks for me . . .
LuthienV: I think I have alot of catching up to do...
crasyboy45: hehe
FanduilasV: 18. ssomething
crasyboy45: makes me feel bad not giving them somehing for what they do
VardaValar1: I started another character because I started playing on a different computer
Orodreth V: Crasy: why you need $10?
crasyboy45: lol
VardaValar1: Go mow a lawn. : )
crasyboy45: . . . i might have to hehe
LuthienV: I see you have a Guild tag Oro
Orodreth V: Yarr.
Orodreth V: You non-GS can apply once you're at level 20.
Orodreth V: And then I can make Varda leader. :-)
VardaValar1: I won't be on much, Oro
LuthienV: whats our channel again?
crasyboy45: there arnt any viuses or anything right
crasyboy45: i hat fixing my puter lol
VardaValar1: Is it possible to make the channel a word instead of a number?
ArPharazonV: what's so hard to remember about 8492?
LuthienV: everything : )
Orodreth V: No, unfortunatyly.
crasyboy45: 8492 is nothing
ArPharazonV: I didn't write it down, and still remember it by head after all this time... surely it's not that hard?
crasyboy45: we have to have our social to get lunch at school
crasyboy45: lmai
crasyboy45: lmao
Orodreth V: Back in 10 minutes.
crasyboy45: i dont eat lunch often
LuthienV: I'm not good at memorizing, thats Eomers thing, he inherited it all...left none for me
VardaValar1: Write it on a post it on the wall : )
FanduilasV: il the forum
FanduilasV: thats a wee bit silent anyways
crasyboy45: hehe
crasyboy45: luth
VardaValar1: The Well of Souls may need its own thread : )
VardaValar1: That's because we're always talking together in person. ;-)
Eonwe Valar: órë "dawn, Sunrise, East"
Eonwe Valar: Found in the lorebook.
VardaValar1: yay for Beren and his Lorebook!
ArPharazonV: dawnsinger? sounds like a rooster
Eonwe Valar: He comments it's probably not a valid word in mature quenya, but hey, it works :}
crasyboy45: quenya?
ArPharazonV: elf-latin!
VardaValar1: Quenya is an Elvish language, the old style, like Latin is to us.
FanduilasV: hehe
FanduilasV: its like finnish, I read somewhere
VardaValar1: Most elves in Middle-earth switched to Sindarin
crasyboy45: oh
FanduilasV: those who speak a celtic tongue, probably learn Sindarin easier
crasyboy45: sindarin= new elfish like english compared to latin?
VardaValar1: aye : )
crasyboy45: \elvish
crasyboy45: el fish sounds smelly
FanduilasV: It uses an insertion system as for example wl
FanduilasV: welsh and gaelic
FanduilasV: sindarin I mean
crasyboy45: oh
FanduilasV: I have the gaelic ;-)
Eonwe Valar: You get ò by holding ALT and typing 149.
VardaValar1: Does this to me
Eonwe Valar: ë by holding ALT and typing 137.
VardaValar1: um
ArPharazonV: ò
FanduilasV: !#&
crasyboy45: i dont have that on my puter
ArPharazonV: ô
crasyboy45: lol
VardaValar1: It went tiny in thetype bar
VardaValar1: Can hardly see it
crasyboy45: lol
Eonwe Valar: interesting
FanduilasV: nae
VardaValar1: there we go, normal again
ArPharazonV: Æ
Eonwe Valar: you don't have an ALT key on your computer, crasy?
crasyboy45: i dont have a number pad
crasyboy45: its a laptop
ArPharazonV: Ærendil!
VardaValar1: I have an alt key, but it didn't make the character
Eonwe Valar: If you have numbers, use those.
ArPharazonV: Ælfwine!
Eonwe Valar: It should work.
crasyboy45: doesnt
ArPharazonV: æ
Eonwe Valar: Or it's supposed to..
Eonwe Valar: bah
VardaValar1: ë
ArPharazonV: ×
crasyboy45: lol
VardaValar1: hold down alt while typing then let go to enter it
VardaValar1: {
crasyboy45: i know how hehe
Eonwe Valar: oh well, now you know how to do it when you do have a number pad.
crasyboy45: i had to do it for sanish
crasyboy45: spanish
VardaValar1: ë
VardaValar1: Only worked with the number pad
ArPharazonV: Æææ
crasyboy45: npnp
Eonwe Valar: Fortunately, I haven't had to type Spanish much. If I have, I just drew in the ~ over the n myself :}
ArPharazonV: ~~~
FanduilasV: ~~~~~~~~
crasyboy45: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~``
ArPharazonV: __________________|\_______\o/_____ ___
crasyboy45: `~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
FanduilasV: I have the international american keyboard set up
FanduilasV: hehe
ArPharazonV: shark attack!
FanduilasV: very nice
crasyboy45: hehe
VardaValar1: If this were the business meeting, you'd be in trouble. ;-)
ArPharazonV: hehe
crasyboy45: dundun dundun
crasyboy45: oh
crasyboy45: sorry
VardaValar1: No worries
crasyboy45: GLAD IT ISNT
crasyboy45: :-P
VardaValar1: Please don't shout : )
ArPharazonV: if it's stormy, you get ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|\~~~~~~ ~~~\o/~~~~
crasyboy45: hh
LuthienV: so which part of that is the shark?
VardaValar1: The fin sticking up
crasyboy45: i dont even want to know what she means
ArPharazonV: aye, the fin
LuthienV: wait nevermind, see it now
crasyboy45: oh lol
crasyboy45: lol
VardaValar1: Head and two arms out of the water
crasyboy45: ahhh
crasyboy45: i get it
crasyboy45: lol
crasyboy45: im kind of slow
LuthienV: I see that now, very funny and gruesome of you Phara : )
crasyboy45: lol
ArPharazonV: saw it in guildchat on WoW :-)
VardaValar1: High Guard guild
ArPharazonV: aye
VardaValar1: How goes the download, crasy?
crasyboy45: almost done
crasyboy45: :D
VardaValar1: Cool : )
Eonwe Valar: Looking up órë in the Lorebook now reveals that in mature Quenya, it means "rising" or "heart."
Eonwe Valar: ó and it's ALT 162 as it turns out :} 149 has the accent pointing in the wrong direction.
LuthienV: Interesting, so what would our final translation be?
Eonwe Valar: well, you could go with Dawnsinger, or you could say it means one who sings from the heart I suppose.
Eonwe Valar: órë doesn't mean physical heart btw,..
VardaValar1: We have Amillo the Dusksinger :-)
Eonwe Valar: Further research shows it reflects "inner mind"
FanduilasV: brothers and sisters of my heart
Eonwe Valar: órë = rising and órë=heart are homonyms.
FanduilasV: I am afraid our roads have to seperate for now
FanduilasV: yet my heart tells me we will meet again soon
Eonwe Valar: Take care Finduilas :}
LuthienV: Namarie Finduilas
VardaValar1: May it be so : )
Eonwe Valar: May the stars shine upon your face :}
FanduilasV: Until we meet again :-)
FanduilasV has left the room.
Eonwe Valar: More sifting: "A person's "spirit" meaning his or her general personality and attitude may be rendered by the word órë, in LotR defined as "heart, inner mind" "
Eonwe Valar: And that appears to be all I can glean.
VardaValar1: Personality?
ArPharazonV: could be related to "heart"
ArPharazonV: as in, the meaning above :-)
Eonwe Valar: "(q.v.), cf. PM:337, where it is said that "there dwelt in her [Galadriel] the noble and generous spirit (órë) of the Vanyar". " Is what continues after that part.
Orodreth V: Oh, back. >.>
VardaValar1: spirit then : )
VardaValar1: Welcome back : )
LuthienV: so spiritual singer?
ArPharazonV: Orodreth, me haf a WoS question
ArPharazonV: do you know the problem where the sound may freeze and loop during the game, and it won't go away even when shutting down the game?
ArPharazonV: any idea how to get rid of it without having to reboot?
Orodreth V: I've heard of it.
Eonwe Valar: Dawn Singer is the more likely meaning.
Orodreth V: Have you checked the FAQ/SuperFAQ?
ArPharazonV: I did, couldn't find anything
Eonwe Valar: I would venture to say that, poetically speaking, one who "sings from his/her heart" would be telling the truth.
Eonwe Valar: Or just singing and really meaning it :}
VardaValar1: Nice : )
Eonwe Valar: Afk for a quick sec.
Orodreth V: Ar, you can try searching around on the BBs..I'll ask D, but beyond that, you can always e-mail Dan.
ArPharazonV: BB?
VardaValar1: Phar is having problems with his monitor too
ArPharazonV: well, that's not WoS related
Orodreth V: matebb.cgi?ubb=forum;f=2
Orodreth V: Look in the FAQ thread there.
Orodreth V: If it's not there..
Eonwe Valar: Back
VardaValar1: Welcome back : )
LuthienV: wb
Eonwe Valar: Thanks ;}
VardaValar1: crasy has WoS downloaded. He'll need some talking through to join you guys.
GilraenV: well, I'm off, folks
GilraenV: Namarie
LuthienV: Namarie
LuthienV: Say hi to Gwaihir for me
ArPharazonV: Namarie
VardaValar1: Namarie!
GilraenV has left the room.
ArPharazonV: darn, can't see the thing in the FAQ of that message board
crasyboy45: wow
crasyboy45: these games are so addicting
Orodreth V: :o
VardaValar1: Too true
crasyboy45: i have been trying to getoff for like 15 minutes
crasyboy45: lol
Orodreth V: Varda, you're a ranger, right?
VardaValar1: Aye
Orodreth V: I'll pick up a set of Coliseum equip for you after I get one for Luthien.
VardaValar1: I will not be playing much, but I will try to come now and then
LuthienV: whats your WoS name Crasy?
crasyboy45: umm
crasyboy45: i dont know how to start
Orodreth V: Someone explaint o him how to download Aeri. I've forgotten how.
LuthienV: you remember Varda? I've forgotten too...
VardaValar1: It gives a list
VardaValar1: a list of worlds
VardaValar1: and you choose
crasyboy45: i have WoS
VardaValar1: I'll dig it put and look
VardaValar1: you automatically get Evergreen
VardaValar1: but then it lets you pick a world to download
VardaValar1: let me pull it up and look for more specifics
Orodreth V: You can keep playing.
Orodreth V: You won't lose progress.
Orodreth V: Just check back in 5 minutes for the server.
VardaValar1: Found it
VardaValar1: when WoS comes up
VardaValar1: The top line says "Check On-Line for New Worlds"
VardaValar1: Click it
VardaValar1: A list comes up
VardaValar1: Click Aerianell
Eonwe Valar: OK, gaming info for those of you who whispered me has been added :}
Eonwe Valar: Congratulations on being the first updatees for the GPMU :}
LuthienV: thanks Eonwe
Eonwe Valar: MP :}
Orodreth V: Oooh, can I whisper you too? >.>
VardaValar1: Thanks Eonwe
crasyboy45: whats the server
VardaValar1: It's a general one right now, any multiplayer
VardaValar1: Any of them can give you the chosen world of Aerianell
VardaValar1: I think it was the top of the selections : )
VardaValar1: Orodreth was working on a server, I think, but it's not up at this time?
Orodreth V: Still not letting me connect to it. :|
VardaValar1: Where do you want to play, it asks
Orodreth V: I'm gonna talk with a old school friend of mine who used to run a WoS server, see if he can set one up for us on an extra box.
VardaValar1: Multiplayer Game
crasyboy45: . . .
VardaValar1: Any Public MIX Game Server
VardaValar1: then Play Game
crasyboy45: okay i kjust opend game for first time
crasyboy45: ther eis this list thing
crasyboy45: what do i choose
Eonwe Valar: Anyone can whisper me their gaming info so long as I'm still on AIM :}
VardaValar1: Orodreth, I'm getting lost too
VardaValar1: It's the one that says Aerianell, right?
Orodreth V: Yea, D had to restart.
VardaValar1: About half way down the list
VardaValar1: Dan is the guy running the server we were using
VardaValar1: Select it and click Connect
VardaValar1: Says World in Progress Aerianell
VardaValar1: click Aerianell
crasyboy45: oh
VardaValar1: See the king?
VardaValar1: Were you Ultima? :-)
VardaValar1: I'm going in as Fainan, but I'll usually be on Elbereth during other times in the week
crasyboy45: lol
crasyboy45: i found out you have to dl the world
VardaValar1: Right
Eonwe Valar: Make sure you send names you can be found under in the games as well.
Eonwe Valar: Ones you want to be found under anyway :}
crasyboy45: i am off uo now
Eonwe Valar: For the GPMU :}
crasyboy45: yay
ArPharazonV: allright, time for bed
ArPharazonV: saving and sending
Eonwe Valar: Sleep well :}
crasyboy45: souls
crasyboy45: what should i choose
LuthienV: Goodnight
crasyboy45: night
crasyboy45: am i a pker
crasyboy45: ?
LuthienV: we're not
crasyboy45: okay
crasyboy45: what should i chose
crasyboy45: choose
crasyboy45: i wanted to be a crafter
crasyboy45: but there arnt any here
crasyboy45: hehehe
LuthienV: I don't really know enough about the game yet to recommend a class
crasyboy45: oh
LuthienV: Don't want to recommend something hard or boring : )
VardaValar1: Orodreth is the only experienced one here :-)
VardaValar1: maybe Pharazon
crasyboy45: ORO where is he
Orodreth V: Luthien, I have almost all your low coli equipment.
crasyboy45: hey oro
Orodreth V: Thing refuses to drop the ring of air though. :|
VardaValar1: This is just a free game, not heavy duty stuff
ArPharazonV: saved
crasyboy45: oh
crasyboy45: hrmmm
crasyboy45: anyone got an extra 120 bux. . .
crasyboy45: wanna pay my Wow
crasyboy45: lol
crasyboy45: jpjp
ArPharazonV: hah
LuthienV: If only i did...
Orodreth V: $120? oO
crasyboy45: for a year
crasyboy45: :P
crasyboy45: oro what should i choose
crasyboy45: nae class
crasyboy45: name class??
crasyboy45: whats easy
crasyboy45: male female rat other
VardaValar1: What do you enjoy? Warrior with a sword
VardaValar1: that is gender : )
VardaValar1: Try male
VardaValar1: Ranger with a bow
crasyboy45: beast master
Orodreth V: Easy class?
VardaValar1: And there are casters
Orodreth V: Monk's a fairly cake class.
VardaValar1: Priest
crasyboy45: kewl
Orodreth V: Paladin is very straightforward too.
crasyboy45: what do yall know bout the druids
crasyboy45: i mean beast masters
Orodreth V: Paladin is overall probally the easiest class to get into.
Orodreth V: Monk has a could special things.
Orodreth V: BM is average.
crasyboy45: kewl
Orodreth V: One of the few classes that gets tame, which can be fun.
crasyboy45: i want to tame hehe
ArPharazonV: I chose the Beastmaster!
crasyboy45: on uo in a tamer crafter
ArPharazonV: and tamed a wasp ;-)
crasyboy45: can yall help me find a great
crasyboy45: name
LuthienV: I wanted tame too, but i chose Monk :/
Orodreth V: Monk is the most self-sustaining class.
ArPharazonV: it's sent, Varda
ArPharazonV: both parts
Orodreth V: Luthien, recamp.
ArPharazonV: Namarie all
LuthienV: Namarie
VardaValar1: bye
VardaValar1: Thanks
ArPharazonV has left the room.
LuthienV: 88? Wow you've been working
Orodreth V: Heh.
Orodreth V: Not too hard if you know how to. :-)
Orodreth V: Not it really gets boring, though.
crasyboy45: where do i put my skill points if in a BM
Orodreth V: I'm just sitting there killing the same guy over and over.
Orodreth V: Er.
Orodreth V: 4 to str, 1 to wis, 3 to sta, 2 to dex.
crasyboy45: and what about the rest of the points
crasyboy45: lol ther eare 20
Orodreth V: Repeat.
Orodreth V: Your first set has 20 becasue you don't gan any from 99 to 100.
Orodreth V: You'll find out why later.
crasyboy45: should i use them all
crasyboy45: ?
Orodreth V: yes
crasyboy45: kk
crasyboy45: i jsut use random
Orodreth V: do another 4 str/1 wis/3 sta/2 dex
Orodreth V: just do that every level
crasyboy45: oh
crasyboy45: im making my player
Orodreth V: Varda, you on 8492?
VardaValar1: I will get on it
VardaValar1: Reminding myself how to do stuff :-)
crasyboy45: hehe
crasyboy45: where do i go in the worls
Orodreth V: Hold on.
crasyboy45: k
Orodreth V: Go into the mystic grotto and learn wher everything there is.
crasyboy45: this is werid
crasyboy45: weird
Orodreth V: 's been said.
crasyboy45: hehe
crasyboy45: umm i lost networkconnection
crasyboy45: he floats around hehe
Orodreth V: econnect then
crasyboy45: yup
crasyboy45: YAY i killed a slug
Orodreth V: /me cheers
crasyboy45: :D
crasyboy45: umm i died
VardaValar1: I died a lot starting
VardaValar1: Helped to equip the items!
crasyboy45: how do you res
VardaValar1: Get something to fight with
VardaValar1: go to healer in town near gate
Orodreth V: Go to the mystic grotto
Orodreth V: then the, er
VardaValar1: type /im 8492 to get in game help :-)
Orodreth V: Temple of healing
VardaValar1: it is the guild talk spot :-)
crasyboy45: oh
VardaValar1: Going to Father's Day dinner the kids made :-)
crasyboy45: where is that
VardaValar1: namarie!
VardaValar1 has left the room.
crasyboy45: well im outie nice meeting yall
crasyboy45: i mean you guys
Eonwe Valar: Take care
Eonwe Valar: Once again, Happy Father's Day to all the fathers out there :}
Eonwe Valar: Nice meeting you as well crasy :}
LuthienV: Namarie
crasyboy45: :D
crasyboy45: whats that mean
crasyboy45: ??
crasyboy45: namarie
crasyboy45: lol
crasyboy45: im killing tolkien lol
LuthienV: lol
LuthienV: Too late for that :p
crasyboy45: hehe
LuthienV: It means Farewell
crasyboy45: thanks
crasyboy45: i have to reread the books
LuthienV: you'll hear it alot if you hang around us :-)
crasyboy45: i havent read in 7 years lol
crasyboy45: kewl
crasyboy45: i like learning even though im no good with facts
crasyboy45: lol i said pippin looked in that ball thing
crasyboy45: lol
crasyboy45: lmao
mordacil: halloo?:
mordacil: its da
Eonwe Valar: hello
Eonwe Valar: Meeting is over :}
mordacil: bare nasesi-T'z
Eonwe Valar: How goes it?
Eonwe Valar: Well, I think I shall head out. Seems every member who's going to whisper me their gamign info has :}
mordacil has left the room.
Eonwe Valar: Take care all, good night, have fun, and sleep well :}
Eonwe Valar: In whatever order best suits you :]