Valar Guild

July 23, 2006 Meeting

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Ar-Pharazon-(V) and Varda-(Valar)

Attending (15):
    Members: ArPharazonV, Arwen V1, Bombur-(V)/MrMonkey2002Blah, Eonwe Valar, FinduilasV, Finrod-(V)/TH0R0NGIL, FladrifV, Gil-galad-(V)/Xseanzee disco, Menelvagor Valar, Olwe-(V)/FallenGlory, Orodreth V/Oessala, VardaValar1 (presiding)
    Visitors: crasyboy45, mecoons, Srekal86

Meeting begins
    Guild members pages combining
    CSS tutorial pages
    Games page remake unveiled
    D2X: Varda (Before-meeting)
    WoW: many during Before-meeting
    Eve Tourney: Final match on live web TV during the meeting.
    Guardians, topic by Finduilas-(V)
    Tale of Ondoline and her Raptor pet in true rp style by Menelvagor.

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ArPharazonV: aiya
ArPharazonV: I'm here, and yet I"m not here: killing Ossirian, then I'll be here
VardaValar1: Aiya, no worries :-)
ArPharazonV: until then, I'm not listening: if I crash, you'll lose any earlier part of the transcript
ArPharazonV: but you're here, so you can save it :-)
VardaValar1: I'll try :-)
VardaValar1: We can quilt.
ArPharazonV: aye!
ArPharazonV: ok, see ya later
VardaValar1: Namarie
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Eonwe Valar: Heya
VardaValar1: Aiya :-)
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FladrifV: aiya
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Menelvagor Valar: Aiya
VardaValar1: Hello there!
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Menelvagor Valar: in Sunken Temple
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FinduilasV: Aiya there
ArPharazonV: Aiya all, yeah, I'm not here yet either, in AQ20
VardaValar1: Hail!
VardaValar1: Still gathering : )
FinduilasV: Hail alltogether :-)
Eonwe Valar: Doing finishing touches on Games Page :} Amusing how we're all rushing to finish up in time for the meeting :}
VardaValar1: Either gaming or webbing. I'm doing both, heh
VardaValar1: What are the rest of you in the middle of?
FinduilasV: lol was on my way back to Auberdine when i took the short diversion via the red crystal
VardaValar1: ouch : )
VardaValar1: I'm in D2X, just had to be different.
FinduilasV: no could finishe d, helped a cvouple of druids ho got all four on thieir back
FinduilasV: Advantage of a warrior /)
FinduilasV: ;-)
VardaValar1: Trying to figure out that sentence, but warrior I get. : )
FinduilasV: well thefour sentinel moonkin
FinduilasV: you know they are linked , so usually i creep up from behind
ArPharazonV: a time will come when you wish you were back with the moonkin ;-)
FinduilasV: "gg* I am sure
VardaValar1: Easy enough. Start still another alt!
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Orodreth V: /me is watching a tourny, afk
VardaValar1: Aiya, scroll is good
FinduilasV: Aiya orod, hehe might do , the hunter is getting more interesting again, having watched other hunters
VardaValar1: I'm trying to update my buddy list.
Orodreth V: Eve tourny
Orodreth V: second semifinal
VardaValar1: The hunter is my favorite.
FinduilasV: Bruce, my fiance is watching the tournament :-)]
VardaValar1: Aiya to Bruce : )
Eonwe Valar: Heya to Bruce :}
FinduilasV: Heya back
VardaValar1: Olwe (Fallen Glory) asks to be tagged when we start Tolkien. He's working on a paper right now.
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Srekal86: /me waves
VardaValar1: Aiya : )
Eonwe Valar: Greetings Hyarion.
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MrMonkey2002Blah: HAIL
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VardaValar1: aiya
FinduilasV: Aiya there :-) Rare Faces , I havent met ye two yet
VardaValar1: Arwen is having trouble with AIM still
ArPharazonV: that was wipe nr 1
ArPharazonV: attempt nr 2 on Ossirian coming up!
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VardaValar1: Aiiya : )
mecoons: hello
VardaValar1: Must be a good day for catching people online. : )
mecoons: it appears to be so
mecoons: also playing a game so i will be alt tabbing
VardaValar1: Most are : )
VardaValar1: Some webworking, some gaming, some at work, some doing homework
VardaValar1: Thanks for taking the time to come here!
FinduilasV: Not me for a change ;-)
VardaValar1: Yay : )
mecoons: yeah well i actuly have time off from work so i can
VardaValar1: Good to have you all. Hate to just hear me talk.

VardaValar1: Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo!
VardaValar1: Membership News:
VardaValar1: Elatan-(Valar) has decided that since all our planned games got nasty and refused to allow Europe and the Americas to play together,
VardaValar1: he's switching to Tolkien-only membership.
VardaValar1: His Annals of Arda and other Tolkien work will remain as usual.
VardaValar1: His other pages are staying up a month, and by then are expected to be replaced.
VardaValar1: Any other member news?

VardaValar1: Web News:
VardaValar1: I am currently replacing those pages by streamlining a batch of member pages to put most of the info in one place.
VardaValar1: I'm hoping this will be easier for the membership.
VardaValar1: You can see everyone at once and what we are all up to, more or less. : )
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VardaValar1: Aiya Orodreth's doppelganger. : )
VardaValar1: Here's the new page, as far as I got before meeting time:
VardaValar1: I'll need your help to make sure your information is correct.
VardaValar1: Those who want to join as Tolkien-onlies still need to send in something for the Tolkien site.
VardaValar1: We have a fair-sized group in that category. : )
VardaValar1: Please check your info and tell me what needs repaired or if it's ok. Side windows are good. I'll try to fix it during the meeting.
VardaValar1: Regular gaming members please remember you are also needed to help with the Tolkien site.
VardaValar1: Articles, humor, poetry, stories, book reviews, addendums are all good. : )
VardaValar1: Ok, got a few answers on the Members page.
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VardaValar1: sorry
VardaValar1: Long blank time in the chat for all the side windows
VardaValar1: Folks, I also need to know which of you hope to be going into LotRO.
VardaValar1: If you could tell me, I can add it to this page and give you a holler when we start up.
VardaValar1: Also, let me know if you prefer an rp or normal server. There's quite a discussion going about it.
VardaValar1: It's even possible that we may try one then shift to the other, or even run both at once. I don't think it would cost anything extra.
VardaValar1: Looking for people who know CSS programming or a good site for learning it. : )
ArPharazonV: (and that was wipe nr 2.. not sure how much longer I'll be)
FinduilasV: wait, , runboard have a link up for it
VardaValar1: Please put it in the chat, Finduilas
Eonwe Valar: Actually, I have found a good site for most things wbsite-related.
VardaValar1: There are zillions of sites to tutor. One will be better for one part and another for another part.
VardaValar1: Which one do you like, Eonwe?
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Eonwe Valar: should be the homepage.
Srekal86: heh, thats an old old site, I remember that was big back in the late 90s
VardaValar1: Ok, Srekal. Do you have a single site you'd like to recommend?
Eonwe Valar: It does good with HTML and Java, but has info on asp, php, and alot of other web languages,
Srekal86: VardaValar1: of course different sites for different things, what level of what language are you interested in?
Srekal86: Beginning CSS, I have a few links for, let me see.
Srekal86: is probably your best bet for a first tutorial.
ArPharazonV: ok, we're calling it a night.. I'll be here full-time in a few minutes!
Srekal86: here's another:
FinduilasV: ok the link for css is
Srekal86: is a good site for showing how powerful CSS can be, but the code isn't that great.
Srekal86: that's the official site, pretty good but not the best for a beginner as its geared towards professionals.
FinduilasV: or
ArPharazonV: ok, I'm here! what are we talking about?
VardaValar1: Welcome back
VardaValar1: Eonwe, are you ready?
VardaValar1: Eonwe's been working on his new Games page programming
ArPharazonV: html tutorial?
Eonwe Valar: Pardon, ready.
VardaValar1: Oh, just now we were talking about ways to program pages better or make them easier to look at.
VardaValar1: Go ahead, Eonwe. : )
ArPharazonV: hmm, allright
FladrifV: aslong as you use internetexplorer you dont need any coarse arph ;-)
Eonwe Valar: Thanks :}
Srekal86: IE, ick...
ArPharazonV: well, no, but I might have some tutorials in my bookmarks
ArPharazonV: and I use firefox, btw :-)
Srekal86: much better.
FladrifV: thanks to who?
Srekal86: though FF still has its kinks.
ArPharazonV: not sure, probably you
FladrifV: (sorry for interuption)
Eonwe Valar: As you all should know, the Games Page Update ended yesterday, and today you will get to see the fruits of my labor. I am in the process of uploaded the new Games Page now :}
Eonwe Valar: With the New Page page,..
Eonwe Valar: You will be able to find who plays any game we have someone playing (or at least admitting to playing).
Eonwe Valar: You will also be able to see if your gaming information isn't yet up by selecting "None" in the Games selection.
Eonwe Valar: If you answered "none" to the Games Page Update letter, you'll be under "None" as well.
Eonwe Valar: I decided to integrate the Links pages more fully into the Games Page, so now the pages Diablo and His Kin, Files of the Xel'Naga, Sites through the Palantir, and Azeroth and Surround Realms will appear in the central frame..
Eonwe Valar: and share main background.
Eonwe Valar: I have moved the D2 Experiences Page link to the Game Revies page.
Eonwe Valar: *Game Reviews
Eonwe Valar: Reviews don't share the primary background, because I decided a different background against so much text would be better.
Eonwe Valar: You will also find several more reviews on the Reviews Page, as I have done one for every Tolkien-based game I have ever played :}
VardaValar1: Ohh, I will be looking at those!
Eonwe Valar: I've separated all reviews into "Computer" and "Console," so you can make reviews on Console games as well.
FinduilasV: there are somwe?
FinduilasV: appart form BoME?
Eonwe Valar: Several, Finduilas :}
Eonwe Valar: EA isn't the only, nor necessarily the best, show in town :}
Eonwe Valar: There are a few even I haven't played, however, so we do need reviews on those.
FladrifV: luckely there are a few other developers stil left who happen to be independant....
VardaValar1: May there always be some independents! : )
Eonwe Valar: Such as BFME 2, LotR Tactics for PSP, and LotR:The Third Age (All by EA inceidentally).
Eonwe Valar: *Incidentally
Eonwe Valar: I have made two access points for the Games Page.
FladrifV: has ea bought the game rights?
Eonwe Valar: In function, they are no different.
Orodreth V: Don't like to break in, but the final match of the Eve tourny is about to go up:
Eonwe Valar: index.php uses a nice background image, but at the moment is best viewable at (read, doesn't look right at all unless you are at) 1280x1024.
Orodreth V:
VardaValar1: Thanks Oro : )
FladrifV: 1280x1024 outch...:-)
Eonwe Valar: index.htm is what I recommend for anyone not able or not wanting to run at 1280x1024 screen resolution, or..
Eonwe Valar: if you have dial-up and don't want to wait for the background images to load. however..
VardaValar1: (Eonwe has dial-up)
ArPharazonV: how does that work, Oro? is it live or something?
Oessala: yes
Eonwe Valar: I've found I only ever have to wait for the images the first time around. After that, it's stored in my temp internet files and it loads almost instantly, so it's your call.
FladrifV: 1280x1024 is not 4:3 :-)
ArPharazonV: does it matter what region you pick? or does that just help with reception?
Oessala: Just helps with speed.
Oessala: They say 10 minutes untilt he match
FinduilasV: sound bugs a bit
FinduilasV: buffers a lot
Eonwe Valar: As I said, in function, there is really no difference between index.php and index.htm except the background, only preference.
ArPharazonV: cool, my resolution actually is 1280x1024
Eonwe Valar: You will also notice I went rather... Manwëish on the color scheme :}
Eonwe Valar: Just have one more file I need to upload, and then I can let you all see it :}
VardaValar1: Nice blues. : )
Oessala: Beginning in moments..
Menelvagor Valar: back.
Eonwe Valar: Hmm, seems to be some technical difficulties. I'll have to let you see it later in the meeting. My apologies..
FladrifV: Ill have to visit my ent home
FladrifV: namarie to you all
VardaValar1: Namarie!
ArPharazonV: namarie!
Eonwe Valar: Floor's yours again, Varda.
FladrifV: *waves with some branches*
VardaValar1: heh - was uploading
VardaValar1: : )
FinduilasV: Namarie! Fladrif
VardaValar1: I also noticed a drop in the memory use on the server, Eonwe :-)
VardaValar1: Very welcome change
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Eonwe Valar: Ok, think I got it fixed :}
Srekal86: Which script do you use to track memory usage?
VardaValar1: It's on the ftp when we up and download
Srekal86: you mean the transfer rate?
VardaValar1: I'm sure there's a fancier way on Alatar's stuff
VardaValar1: no, I mean it shows us how much of our allocated memory is being used
Srekal86: oh you mean nonvolatile memory?
VardaValar1: Aye
Srekal86: that's usually referred to as storage space, disk usage, etc, while memory is used for volatile memory.
VardaValar1: It shows that Eonwe's new system uses less of the amount of memory we are allowed on Alatar's server.
VardaValar1: ok, less storage. : )
Srekal86: ;-)
Eonwe Valar: The "hi res" Games Page is at
Srekal86: though I won't get into why anything less than few gigabytes of storage is unheard of :p
Srekal86: eonwe, is that inline frames?
VardaValar1: Nice, Eonwe!
Eonwe Valar: The quicker-load Games Page is at, or you can just type
VardaValar1: When the storage is free to us and ad-free, I'm not going to quibble. : )
Eonwe Valar: The Frames are just frames. I did not use the iframe command, if that's what you're referring to.
Srekal86: :p they have free web hosts with no ads that offer a gigabyte or more, even google offers a few gigabytes of email for free.
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FinduilasV: anyone not watching this?
VardaValar1: Anyone not watching what?
FinduilasV: the eve match
VardaValar1: I have gmail
VardaValar1: I'm not watching the eve match : )
Menelvagor Valar: what match?
VardaValar1: Who offers that GB of space with no ads and what's the catch?
ArPharazonV: I'm watching, it's... interesting, for someone who doesn't know the game
ArPharazonV: luckily Oro is keeping me up-to-date with a bit of info
Eonwe Valar: So, everyone looking at the new Games Page or something? :}
FinduilasV: hve we got the linke
FinduilasV: ?
Eonwe Valar: I gave both links to you all already :}
Srekal86: scroll up FinduilasV
Eonwe Valar: I recommend veiwing the "hi res" in full screen mode.
Eonwe Valar: *viewing
FinduilasV: ah nice :-)
Eonwe Valar: If your Gaming info isn't listed, it's your own fault :}
Eonwe Valar: Everyone here see their info up? Let me know now if it's missing.
VardaValar1: Looks as if I need to update my info for you
VardaValar1: Want it in an email?
ArPharazonV: mine seems ok
ArPharazonV: a shame I'm the only one in several games, though ;-)   [others are also]
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VardaValar1: Phar, I don't see you in D2X : )
VardaValar1: Aiya Gil-galad. : )
ArPharazonV: I don't have D2X :-)
FinduilasV: Aiya Gil Galad
VardaValar1: That could be why. : )
ArPharazonV: I was once going for it, I think... not sure what happend
Eonwe Valar: Wow, just got more updates than I do in a year :}
VardaValar1: good : )
VardaValar1: So far we have one Tolkien topic. Any other possibles out there?
VardaValar1: We could use one that is mainly LotR so we don't lose some of our folk also.
VardaValar1: Or maybe all of you have read the Silmarillion : )
FinduilasV: Yeah it would be nice , because i couldn t really take part last time
FinduilasV: i have but so long ago
FinduilasV: and if ye type not so fast would be nice too ;-)
VardaValar1: Is it lying around the house? You can grab it and use the index
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VardaValar1: And I thought I was too slow!
Menelvagor Valar: Sorry, comp couldn't cope with Eve TV and WoW at the same time :P
Eonwe Valar: Games Page should be updated now.
ArPharazonV: sorry if I seem a bit afk, but this is a loooong battle, it seems ;-)
FinduilasV: very boring lol
FinduilasV: I am here

VardaValar1: Tolkien Discussion:
VardaValar1: Finduilas has a topic. Go ahead, Finduilas.
FinduilasV: Thank you , Varda
FinduilasV: /me looks very nervous
VardaValar1: Toss the ball out there and we'll scramble for it. : )
FinduilasV: I just wondered, guardians are a great topic with senior Tolkien
FinduilasV: so my question is: Who was guarding what , when , where?
FinduilasV: Just list at the start, please
FinduilasV: details are welcome later ;-)
VardaValar1: That's a lot
VardaValar1: and they were on both sides.
ArPharazonV: the ents, guarding the woods and trees, in various places and various times
ArPharazonV: from Beleriand in the first age to Fangorn Forest in the third age
VardaValar1: Watcher in the Water, in front of the gate to Moria.
FinduilasV: right the rivers , both Doriath and in Mirkwoood
FinduilasV: they were guarding the frontier of the Elven realms]
VardaValar1: Enchanted River in Mirkwood, puts the intruder into slumber.
ArPharazonV: Shelob guards Cirith Ungol
Menelvagor Valar: The Eagles on the Crissaegrim guarding the area around Gondolin.
VardaValar1: The Watchers near Mordor, stone sculptures containing spirits.
ArPharazonV: the Rangers guarding the Shire
Menelvagor Valar: and Bree.
FinduilasV: right but they were guarding more, dont ye think?
VardaValar1: Butterbur, aiding the Rangers with a place to stay and to leave messages. Also helping Gandalf.
VardaValar1: The Rangers guarded all the folk in the North, but that was mostly Hobbits and a few small towns with Men.
ArPharazonV: Smaug, guarding his treasure in Erebor :-)
VardaValar1: The Hedge, guarding the Shire from the Old Forest.
ArPharazonV: Haldir and others guarding Lothlorien and its people
VardaValar1: Minas Tirith and all of Gondor guarding the Western lands from Mordor.
VardaValar1: Thranduil's people helping contain the evils of Dol Guldur.
FinduilasV: Minas MOrgul guarding the entrance of Cirith Ungol
VardaValar1: Sam guarding Frodo.
ArPharazonV: Faramir guarding Osgiliath and Henneth Annun (sp?)
VardaValar1: spelling is right.
VardaValar1: Aye, the southern rangers watching the Ithilien forests along the edge of Mordor before the evil could spill over.
FinduilasV: right, well it was a lone watchpoint eh? It was more to keep an eye on the enemy's movement i should think
FinduilasV: Henneth annun, I mean
Menelvagor Valar: Charcharoth guarding the gates of Thangorodrim
ArPharazonV: the Pelennor guarding Valinor
VardaValar1: The Fellowship guarding and escorting Frodo with the Ring
VardaValar1: Elrond and Galadriel guarding their elven territories with the Rings.
VardaValar1: Melian's Girdle around Doriath.
VardaValar1: You have a point about that guardian theme. : )
Eonwe Valar: Gimli Guarding those three strands of Galadriel's hair.
VardaValar1: =)
TH0R0NGIL: The three-headed door-wards of the tower of Cirith Ungol
ArPharazonV: 7 walls and gates guarding the citadel of Minas Tirth
ArPharazonV: *ith
FinduilasV: /me grins
ArPharazonV: the tower guards of said citadel
VardaValar1: Gandalf warding Middle-earth.
VardaValar1: The White Council trying to keep track of the dangers and handle them.
TH0R0NGIL: the guards in the trees at the edges of Lothlorien
VardaValar1: The gate to Moria with its invisibility except at certain times and its password.
FinduilasV: hmm That spider in Cirith Ungol guarding that tunnel
VardaValar1: Gandalf putting a shutting spell on the door between the Fellowship and the Balrog of Moria.
FinduilasV: Shelob
ArPharazonV: heh.. shelob... I just read a bit through that Lotr-parody again
ArPharazonV: she's called Schlob there
FinduilasV: and her mother ? Ungolianth guarding that pass near the old Fortress
VardaValar1: Eru guarding the lands of Valinor from the Numenorean invasion, when Manwe did not want to destroy the Children of Eru.
FinduilasV: forgot the name
FinduilasV: the mate of Morgoth
ArPharazonV: ..mate?
Eonwe Valar: Morgoth had no mate :}
VardaValar1: Ungoliant, and they were only working together. ;-)
Eonwe Valar: At least not in the official texts.
FinduilasV: aye its her I meant ;')
ArPharazonV: well, in some versions he had an ogress as mate, with Gothmog as offspring
VardaValar1: Mate can mean companion or friend also.
ArPharazonV: cheers, mate!
Eonwe Valar: There's mention of an ogress in the earlier versions, who was mother to Kosomot.
VardaValar1: Aye, that mate. No worries!
VardaValar1: Aye, that's what Phar said with the early names too.
FinduilasV: Right was that in the Unfinished tales?
FinduilasV: or some thing of the kind?
VardaValar1: HoMe has 12 volumes to add to UT
ArPharazonV: the History of Middle-earth
ArPharazonV: starting with BoLT, the the Book of Lost Tales
ArPharazonV: *drop one of the "the"s
VardaValar1: *thunk*
ArPharazonV: oh, c'mon, it wasn't that heavy!
VardaValar1: =)
FinduilasV: hihihi heavily guarded eh
FinduilasV: Varda and Manwe guarding Valinor :-)
FinduilasV: well all the Valar in fact
FinduilasV: they guarding Arda with help of elves and men ..
ArPharazonV: Mandos guarding the dead in his home
VardaValar1: Manwe watchiing over all Middle-earth while Varda listens to all of the folk there.
VardaValar1: Ulmo slipping behind the scenes to help the Eruhini as he saw the dangers rolling towards them.
FinduilasV: Eruhini?
ArPharazonV: children of Eru
FinduilasV: -i
FinduilasV: ah right , thx
VardaValar1: Shortens saying the elves, humans, and the adopted children: the dwarves.
VardaValar1: and all the offshoots
FinduilasV: Nice one, true
VardaValar1: Hobbits, Druedain
ArPharazonV: goblins? ;-)
FinduilasV: Trolls?
VardaValar1: That's more of a corruption of the Eruhini
FinduilasV: but they were counterfeits eh\
ArPharazonV: one could call it an offshoot
VardaValar1: I wonder about those hobbits. They did come from the East, crossing Rohan on the way west.
ArPharazonV: crossing Rohan?
VardaValar1: Were they offshoot mutations or a corruption that accidentally went cute?
FinduilasV: hmm in size they were not unlike the dwarves ..
ArPharazonV: if I recall correctly, they came more north of the misty mountains, and 1 breed went south to Dunland before travelling up north again
VardaValar1: Aye. The hobbits picked up a bit of Rohirric there. : )
ArPharazonV: they didn't actually cross Rohan, did they?
FinduilasV: and else in appearance more like men
FinduilasV: appart from the hair of cousrse
ArPharazonV: Tolkien states that they're more related to men than to elves or even dwarves :-)
VardaValar1: They got close enough to pick up Rohirric.
ArPharazonV: so I'd guess that they're an offshoot of humans
VardaValar1: Aye, the hobbits were offshoots of Men, according to the author.
FinduilasV: they were known to the Rohirimm , legendwise
VardaValar1: The ears were slightly pointed and elvish, confusing things.
ArPharazonV: yes, but my point was, they didn't actually come from the east, and "cross" Rohan on their way west
ArPharazonV: they just visited from the northwest for a while, and then went back
VardaValar1: Might have picked up learning to handle crops in the Brown Lands from Entwives.
VardaValar1: And who were those roaming trees near the Shire?
FinduilasV: ah good point there
VardaValar1: Or they could have learned farming from Men who learned it from the Entwives.
FinduilasV: there aint no elms in the Northshire
VardaValar1: hehe
FinduilasV: Then yer cousnt cant have seen one )
VardaValar1: Then he couldn't have seen one, could he? ;-)
ArPharazonV: could it be the Entwives up there? guarding the farmers of the Shire as the Ents guard the forest fo Fangorn?
VardaValar1: It never says.
ArPharazonV: *of
VardaValar1: It could be awakened trees, or huorns.
VardaValar1: What was Old Man Willow anyway?
FinduilasV: Sound s like a tree gone , entish ..
VardaValar1: He was no entwife, but maybe some were in the area.
VardaValar1: Or a Huorn?
FinduilasV: yeah
VardaValar1: Why would huorns be there?
VardaValar1: He sounds like a huorn to me. : )
ArPharazonV: maybe one of the Entwives lost a young Enting there and he grew tree-ish and bitter without his mommy...
ArPharazonV: one would almost feel sorry for him!
VardaValar1: Back to the subject - Old Man Willow had his way of guarding the Old Forest, and Tom Bombadil had his.
VardaValar1: Right until one was drowning or caught in a crack, aye.
VardaValar1: Old Man Willow seemed able to instruct other trees to move in a manner funneling travelers to him. Or did they do it on their own, wanting to be rid of them?
ArPharazonV: let's take em to Old Man Willow, he'll take care of them?
VardaValar1: Aye! "Let George do it!"
VardaValar1: They already tried breaching the Hedge and were burned for it.
FinduilasV: yeah, true
FinduilasV: which brings my thought to colder wardens
FinduilasV: of a darker place
ArPharazonV: could it be that Willow-man was an ent gone tree, and he had the huorns of the forest under his control?
FinduilasV: aye
FinduilasV: i guess he grew a bit power hungry]
ArPharazonV: perhaps
FinduilasV: his heart got corrupted
VardaValar1: A corrupted ent is a huorn, aye.
ArPharazonV: or perhaps he just saw the Hobbits as intruders in his area
TH0R0NGIL: doubt he was ever and ent
VardaValar1: The Hobbits had murdered many trees during that fight.
TH0R0NGIL: probably just a huorn to start with
VardaValar1: Is anything a huorn to start with?
ArPharazonV: how do trees go huorn, exactly?
ArPharazonV: is it by long contact with an ent?
VardaValar1: Ents get corrupted and become huorns, is how I understood it.
ArPharazonV: corrupted? by what?
FinduilasV: by the trees
VardaValar1: How about hatred of things that destroy trees?
FinduilasV: or that aye
VardaValar1: The huorns only seem evil to non-trees.
ArPharazonV: anyway, the inty-fight coming up it seems, I'm going to watch for a bit
ArPharazonV: in Eve
VardaValar1: Ok, want to break up for the night?
ArPharazonV: no, no
ArPharazonV: shouldn't take long
Eonwe Valar: I need to head out for now. Take care all, good night, sleep well, and have fun :}
ArPharazonV: Namarie, Eonwe!
FinduilasV: Namarie, Eonwe!
Eonwe Valar: Enjoy the new reviews :}
FinduilasV: And thanks for the nice gaming page
Eonwe Valar: It's my pleasure :}
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FinduilasV: \;0
FinduilasV: right , people, i think i have to go or well ..
FinduilasV: theres something about that hunter .
ArPharazonV: hehe
FinduilasV: but I hope ye enjoyed the discussion a bit and thank you for taking part :-)
ArPharazonV: it was great!
VardaValar1: Good discussion
VardaValar1: Now digging through the books on Huorns
ArPharazonV: well, it seems to be over ;-)
VardaValar1: Nothing in the back of the Sil, seems to be a LotR thing.
FinduilasV: who won?
Menelvagor Valar: Final's of Eve just ended :-)
Menelvagor Valar: BoB
ArPharazonV: BoB
FinduilasV: good good :-)
VardaValar1: Great name. : )
ArPharazonV: Band of Brothers :-)
Menelvagor Valar: Frontier had railguns on their crow.
Menelvagor Valar: was over in 2 minutes :P
FinduilasV: Band of Brorthers
ArPharazonV: hehe
ArPharazonV: 2 minutes? that long?
Menelvagor Valar: just about.
FinduilasV: what race shall I play folk?
ArPharazonV: hunter?
FinduilasV: aye?
ArPharazonV: hmm
FinduilasV: i like night elves for their agility but i have aready two
Menelvagor Valar: Dwarf, Night Elf, doesn't really matter.
ArPharazonV: if you want to mail things between your alts, and want to stay in contact with Valar, I'd suggest an alliance race
Menelvagor Valar: Night Elf has the better agility of the two, but Dwarves pack more punch and have better health.
FinduilasV: yeah for sure
FinduilasV: maybe a man ..
FinduilasV: human
Menelvagor Valar: humans can't be hunters.
FinduilasV: oh blur hehe
Menelvagor Valar: nor can gnomes.
FinduilasV: okay night elf thwen
VardaValar1: got a quore
VardaValar1: quote
Menelvagor Valar: oh, and in a few months time, the alliance will be litterally overrun by Shamans :-D
ArPharazonV: jewelcrafting Draenei shamans, even ;-)
VardaValar1: Dranei are Alliance
VardaValar1: You mean everyone will make one? : )
ArPharazonV: exactly
ArPharazonV: I know I will ;-)
Menelvagor Valar: not all will go Jewelcrafting, but definately 95% of Drenai will be Shaman.
VardaValar1: Shamans on the Alliance side. My tauren finds that bothersome. : )
ArPharazonV: and I was gonna call him Cal'jaeden ;-)
VardaValar1: Will they have paladin blood elves to even the score? : )
ArPharazonV: yes
Menelvagor Valar: yep.
ArPharazonV: the Blood Knights
VardaValar1: oh man.
VardaValar1: Nothing left to just one side or the other.
ArPharazonV: they captured a Naaru in Outland and managed to tap into his powers of the Light
VardaValar1: I still find my Undead Priest odd. : )
Menelvagor Valar: however, the Blood Knights are fallen warriors, but can still call upon the light.
FinduilasV: Naeme thats the other question ..
FinduilasV: hunter in elvish>?
FinduilasV: Sindarin?
VardaValar1: Where did you find it?
VardaValar1: Anyway, I was about to quote Merry on Huorns, if you like.
FinduilasV: ok go on
Menelvagor Valar: Oh, Phar, you will laugh your behind off when you hear what I have called my hunter's Raptor pet :P
Menelvagor Valar: please do :)
ArPharazonV: tell me!
Menelvagor Valar: will do after Varda's quote.
ArPharazonV: btw
VardaValar1: "Treebeard won't say much about them, but I think they are Ents that have become almost like trees, at least to look at.
VardaValar1: "They stand here and there in the wood or under its eaves, silent, watching endlessly over the trees;
VardaValar1: "but deep in the darkest dales there are hundreds and hundreds of them, I believe."
VardaValar1: "Flotsam and Jetsam" Two Towers
VardaValar1: done.
FinduilasV: yeah I just read that today :-)
FinduilasV: thank you, Varda
ArPharazonV: so, Ents that have become almost like trees?
ArPharazonV: not the other way around?
VardaValar1: They watch over the trees.
ArPharazonV: what does that say about the Old Forest?
Menelvagor Valar: that it's very, very old.
ArPharazonV: if we assume only ents and huorns can do things like move, attack, etc...
ArPharazonV: more ents than trees once, in the Old Forest!
Menelvagor Valar: accumulate experience to gain more skills and better armor and hitpoints..
ArPharazonV: ...
VardaValar1: Ents herd trees.
Menelvagor Valar: sorry, couldn't resist 8-)
Menelvagor Valar: so, Old Man Willow is basically an Ent that has fallen from the light?
VardaValar1: Depends on how you look at it. He thinks he's protecting trees, perhaps?
Menelvagor Valar: more like a Huorn than the Ents in Fangorn, yet still with the ability to govern the other trees and bend them to his will?

VardaValar1: I am being asked to go somewhere in real life
VardaValar1: I'll trust you guys to send a transcript. : )
VardaValar1: Namarie!
FinduilasV: right friend my hunteress is Narimia
FinduilasV: namarie !
FinduilasV: farewell friends
VardaValar1: Namarie
ArPharazonV: Namarie!
VardaValar1: You can use
VardaValar1: the Hiseloke Sindarin project
VardaValar1: for some words too
Menelvagor Valar: So, the time has come to tell the tale of Ondoline and her Raptor pet *smile*
FinduilasV: Farewell , untill we meet again ")
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VardaValar1: Take care
Menelvagor Valar: Shall I? in true RP style?
Menelvagor Valar: Pharzie?
ArPharazonV: sorry, in private convo with Varda, shouldn't take too long
Menelvagor Valar: okies
Menelvagor Valar: let me know when.
VardaValar1: Ok, we're all done
ArPharazonV: he told me to warn him in IM, so he would notice it ;-)
VardaValar1: Namarie!
ArPharazonV: Namarie!
Menelvagor Valar: Namarie Varda!
Menelvagor Valar: Ok, here comes.
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Menelvagor Valar: It was on a quiet day when Ondoline ventured into the Wetlands, for some Dwarven lout from Auberdine had sent her there.
ArPharazonV: *grin* the archaeologist?
Menelvagor Valar: While there, she could not believe her eyes, for there were the most beautiful creatures she had ever seen.
Menelvagor Valar: With deadly grace they prowled the swamplands and she swore an oath that one day she would entice one of those magnificent beasts to join her.
Menelvagor Valar: But fate was not with her that day, for she soon learned that she lacked the experience to successfully entice the awesome predators.
Menelvagor Valar: Saddened by her failure, she fell into a deep sleep, in which she stayed for many months, until finally she was aroused when a group of adventurers asked her aid to the Deadmines.
Menelvagor Valar: Of course, having never been there, she was happy to go and increase her knowledge of the world.
Menelvagor Valar: After spending a long while in the cramped dungeon and finally slaying the evil Van Cleef, she returned to Darnassus to ask her mentor to train her once more.
Menelvagor Valar: He had never forgotten her and gladly accepted and taught her all she could master.
Menelvagor Valar: with renewed spirit, she once again set forth to the Wetlands knowing that this time she would prevail.
Menelvagor Valar: Thus she ventured deep into the swamps where the Raptors lived and prepared for the battle to come.
Menelvagor Valar: for such deadly and graceful predators would not easily succumb to her enticement.
Menelvagor Valar: And so she set a small trap of frost before her in the hopes of keeping the beast away from her for as long as possible.
Menelvagor Valar: Then, she started her chants and immediately the Raptor responded.
Menelvagor Valar: It came to her in frightening speed, alarmed by the chants Ondoline sang.
Menelvagor Valar: But in its rage, it did not see the trap and got entangled in its snare and was trapped in a huge block of ice.
Menelvagor Valar: Ondoline was overjoyed at her success and continued her chants, when suddenly, out of the corner of her eyes she saw movement in a nearby gully.
Menelvagor Valar: the wiley Raptor had called forth the aid of a devilish Crocolisk!
ArPharazonV: :-)
Menelvagor Valar: Unabated, Ondoline continued her chants, for she still hoped she would be able to complete the ritual in time.
Menelvagor Valar: All of a sudden, without warning, a sharp flash of pain shot up her back, for a second Raptor had approached her from behind and had set its claws into her.
Menelvagor Valar: Ondoline now became very afraid, but did not dare run, for she had nearly completed the ritual.
Menelvagor Valar: As she bit through the pain of the Raptor's claws and the Crocolisk's teeth, her fear soon became wide-eyed terror, for the Raptor had broken loose from its icey prison.
Menelvagor Valar: It was not long before she lost all sense of the world around her and lost the link to the magnificent creature.
ArPharazonV: aww
Menelvagor Valar: She woke up in a hazed state, in the Menethil Harbor graveyard, with a radiant angel looking over her.
Menelvagor Valar: She talked to the divine being, which granted her her body back, but at a cost, for she would not be able to fight well for a time to come.
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Menelvagor Valar: Then as her body was restored to her, she dejectedly blew her whistle, which would have called forth the Raptor.
Menelvagor Valar: Imagine her surprise when suddenly, out of nowhere a Raptor appeared, standing in front of her, staring at her defiantly, yet not attacking her.
ArPharazonV: ooh, lucky
Menelvagor Valar: So, she decided to put her new pet to the test at the nearby Murlocs.
Menelvagor Valar: Still weak from the transition from the Spirit Realm to the Living world, all was in the hands of her Raptor.
Menelvagor Valar: But with marvelous ease, the Raptor slew the Murlocs.
Menelvagor Valar: And then, from her memory she recalled the name of a Great Weapon, once whispered of in fear, wielded by an evil demon, but with cunning, and craftiness, that weapon could be remade to serve a new bearer.
Menelvagor Valar: Knowing full well that she herself would most likely not be able to bear such a weapon, she instead decided to name her Raptor after it.
Menelvagor Valar: And thus was her pet named "Sulfuras", to which it would listen forever after.
Menelvagor Valar: or at least until the time we are now.
ArPharazonV: haha
Menelvagor Valar: Such was the story of Ondoline and Sulfuras.
Menelvagor Valar: I hope you enjoyed the story.
Menelvagor Valar: The End
ArPharazonV: Sulfuras, eh?
Menelvagor Valar: yep
Menelvagor Valar: Sulfuras, Hand of Ragnaros wouldn't fit :-P
Menelvagor Valar: but other than the name, what did you think of the story?
ArPharazonV: nice story
ArPharazonV: got quite lucky there, I suppose
Menelvagor Valar: (oh and yes, it really was on the second that she died that I completed the whatever it's called :-P)
Menelvagor Valar: or unlucky, for getting two adds =-O
Menelvagor Valar: and very fortunate I set the frost trap :)
ArPharazonV: hehe
ArPharazonV: it's cheating! how long does the trap last?
ArPharazonV: I assume you can only set one at a time?
Menelvagor Valar: dunno... 15-20 secs maybe.
Menelvagor Valar: yep, only one.
ArPharazonV: taming process is 20 sec
Menelvagor Valar: lemme check then.
Menelvagor Valar: 10 secs
Menelvagor Valar: I still like sap better.
Menelvagor Valar: even better than sheep.
Menelvagor Valar: or rather, polymorph, now that there are pigs and turtles :P
ArPharazonV: heh
Menelvagor Valar: you should know what makes sap better than poly :)
ArPharazonV: if it's improved, it usually doesn't initiate combat...
ArPharazonV: the healing doesn't matter, since sap has to be performed out of combat
Menelvagor Valar: yes, that's the part that makes poly better than sap, it's usable in combat.
ArPharazonV: I guess the main difference would be the moving around and aggroing other things bit
Menelvagor Valar: but strictly the effect itself?
ArPharazonV: I'm not sure
Menelvagor Valar: Sap is not breakable, except by damage.
Menelvagor Valar: poly is breakable by critter resists, magic effect removal, certain items, shapeshifting...
ArPharazonV: ahh
ArPharazonV: I'm used to pve, though, so most of those factors don't really matter
Menelvagor Valar: exactly those things matter in PvE
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Orodreth V: /me grumbles
ArPharazonV: greetings, Oro!
Orodreth V: Bloody backstabbing russkies.
Orodreth V: /me shakes his fist
Orodreth V: ...mostly likely by throwing the game to the French, but hey.
Orodreth V: Gah, I have to disband 4 units now..
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ArPharazonV: ?
ArPharazonV: there's no famous turtle in Middle-earth, no?
Orodreth V: not that I know of...
Orodreth V: oO
ArPharazonV: too ba
ArPharazonV: *d
ArPharazonV: guess I'll name my WoW-pet after A'Tuin, carrier of the Discworld
Orodreth V: That's what I was gonna suggest, but I couldn't recall its name.
Orodreth V: Don't forget to get 4 elephant pets though.
ArPharazonV: haha
ArPharazonV: can only have 3 pets at once
ArPharazonV: going for a wolf called Helvy, named after my wolf in the rp on our forum, and a panther called Tevildo
ArPharazonV: and a turtle ;-)
ArPharazonV: a tank, a damage-dealer, and an all-rounder
ArPharazonV: anyway, time to go to bed
ArPharazonV: Namarie, I'll be saving and sending