Valar Guild

January 8, 2006 Meeting

5pm EST (GMT -5)

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Bridging program by Farmer Maggot-(V)
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Transcript work by:  transcript work from Ar-Pharazon-(V)
and Varda-(Valar)

Attending list and who belongs to that odd AIM name anyway?  :)  (15)
    ArathornValar, ArPharazonV, Barahir-(V)/sauron432000, Elwing V, Eonwe Valar (presiding), FladrifV, Gil-galad-(V)/Xseanzee disco, GwaihirValar, Haldir V, Idril-(V)/Narthais, FarmerMaggot-(V), Menelvagor Valar, Orodreth V, VardaValar1
    Guest: Hyarion/Srekal86

Meeting Begins
    The January after-holiday is now hitting the guild:
        Arathorn's job is heading back into night shift, so this will be his last meeting for a while. He has a prolonged holiday, so check for him on
        Ar-Pharazon's WoW is refusing to return after the patch, so he may be unable to play for a while.
        Barahir may have difficulty with internet access for a while.
        Eonwe's school upcoming school schedule is even heavier than last semester, but he will show up in WoW and meetings when he can.
        Eowyn will be going back in the university, but will continue WoWing when she can.
        Menelvagor is having monetary problems in the region of WoW, and may be unable to play.
    Tolkien pages:
          New ones up by Jay of Lasgalen. Links to the stories: Winter Wonder, The Picnic
          Story Challenges now up. See if you can meet one or more!
          Arathorn found a page saying Micro fiction is a story in 250 words or less, and nanofiction is a story with a maximum of 55 words.
    Gaming pages:
       WoW charter update being sent by Eonwe to Menelvagor for the WoW page.
       WoW patch 1.9 came out Tuesday. Paladin patch. Realms trying to open the Ahn Qiraq gaming area, and to be the first.
        WoW Europe will be losing Ar-Pharazon and Menelvagor, at least for a while.
        WoW Lothar still has Friday get-together, but groups get together more and more all during the week as well. Don't forget to include inviting guild-friends from the Valar channel.
    Barahir's topic: What Dagor Dagorat? What do we know about it? What will happen? What will cahnge? How will Morgoth return and get his revenge of the Sith? Who will stop him? Things like that!
    The black swords.
    Question emailed to the Encyclopedia editor:
       What do we know about Aragorn's ring?

You have just entered room "valarguildmeetingplace."
ArPharazonV: Aiya
Eonwe Valar has entered the room.
FladrifV has entered the room.
GwaihirValar has entered the room.
Xseanzee disco has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar: heya
FladrifV: Aiya
Xseanzee disco: heyy
Orodreth V has entered the room.
ArPharazonV: Aiya all
ArPharazonV: Welcome... to the meetingplace!
ArPharazonV: *presents chatroom*
sauron432000 has entered the room.
ArPharazonV: at least that's one advantage of not having WoW... I'm on time for the meeting!
Eonwe Valar: heh
sauron432000: Aiya all!
Eonwe Valar: heya
ArPharazonV: aiya
Eonwe Valar: a couple more minutes and we'll begin the meeting
sauron432000: Well the population in this room seems down than the usual!
sauron432000: What happened to Varda?
Eonwe Valar: Varda may not be able to make it tonight, so I'll be chairing the meeting.
ArathornValar: she was in wow a few minutes ago
sauron432000: Okay!
ArathornValar: ahh
Eonwe Valar: Btw, for those who haven't met him yet, sauron432000 is Barahir :}
sauron432000: Howdy!
ArPharazonV: Barahir... barahir... familiar name...
ArPharazonV: ah yes.. Granddaddy!
ArPharazonV: well, grand grand grand grand etc
sauron432000: for the real Arphy!
ArPharazonV: great great great, actually... feh
Eonwe Valar: Several greats in there from Pharazon to Barahir :}
Eonwe Valar: Taking Roll
ArPharazonV: about 25-30 of em
sauron432000: technically its actually twenty eight greats!
ArPharazonV: see? 25-30!
sauron432000: ya, you are right, pretty accurate guess Arphy!
ArathornValar: So how about that Texas... I was impressed :-P
Eonwe Valar: Big place :}
VardaValar1 has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya!
ArathornValar: no I meant the team.. won the championship =)
Eonwe Valar: OK, I've got the roll, so let's begin the meeting! :}
VardaValar1: Sounds good!
Eonwe Valar: ah :}
VardaValar1: We also need transcripters, as I'm on the wrong comp :-)
sauron432000: Aiya Varda!
VardaValar1: Go for it, Eonwe!
Eonwe Valar: Thanks :}
ArathornValar: Im a big football fan... good football that is .. love contact sports.. Tackle Billards is fun.. not for the meek tho :-\
Eonwe Valar: Neither is tackle chip-dipping :}
ArathornValar: *covers chips with towel..*
Srekal86 has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar: tortilla or potato chips, of course :} into slasa and the like :}
Eonwe Valar: wanted to make sure that was clear :}
Eonwe Valar: ok, on with the meeting!
Srekal86: /me waves

Eonwe Valar: Elenn Sila Lumenn Omentielvo!
Eonwe Valar: Member News:
FarmerMaggotV has entered the room.
ArPharazonV: Aiya, maggot!
Eonwe Valar: Back to class with me soon. Registering this week. If you thought I was "having fun" last semester, just wait :}
FarmerMaggotV: heh, looks mean without the capitol M =P
sauron432000: Sry but my typing is slow!
ArathornValar: meh know that feeling,.. back to my hellish night shift
ArathornValar: this is the last meeting Ill be at for a long while
Narthais has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar: Anyone else heading back to school/university soon?
Narthais: hey
ArPharazonV: in a few weeks, prolonged holiday...
Srekal86: /me is going back next week
ArPharazonV: Aiya
Eonwe Valar: Sorry to hear work will be taking you away, Arathorn.
sauron432000: Aiya!
VardaValar1: Eowyn will be back in college
ArPharazonV: who's Narthais again?
Narthais: idril
ArPharazonV: oki
sauron432000: doki
ArPharazonV: Celebrindal?
ArathornValar: Idril
ArPharazonV: or am I confusing names now...
ArathornValar: Narthais = Idril
Eonwe Valar: Any other member news?
VardaValar1: Here
Eonwe Valar: Go ahead Varda.
VardaValar1: I have a slight problem with my eyes, being treated for a month or a little over, they say
VardaValar1: I'll continue to do things, but just in smaller chunks : )
VardaValar1: Help is appreciated! Especially patience : )
VardaValar1: and Elwing says hi!
Eonwe Valar: Patience? I can give plenty of that :}
ArPharazonV: we have plenty of patience!
VardaValar1: Eonwe is the mainstay and prop - thank you more than I can say
VardaValar1: One other bit
ArathornValar: A doctor can't treat patients without patience!
VardaValar1: We are supposed to be doing the sweep (drop) of inactive members
VardaValar1: If you know of someone active who is listed with a question mark, let me know, or have them contact me
VardaValar1: Anyone who shows for a meeting is automatically a member for 2006 unless they say not :-)
VardaValar1: You are all in for 2006!
VardaValar1: Your floor, Eonwe : )
Eonwe Valar: Any member that is, of course :}
FarmerMaggotV: heh
Eonwe Valar: Can't have a stranger walking in thinking they made it that easy :}
Srekal86: :p
Menelvagor Valar has entered the room.
VardaValar1: That is if they are in the membership, right. : )
VardaValar1: Poor Srekal : )
ArathornValar: heh.. hmm my cat is now a member too it seems.. he smacked the keyboard twice ;-p
Menelvagor Valar: good evening.
Eonwe Valar: Any more member news before we move on?
ArPharazonV: Tevildo-V?
Menelvagor Valar: sorry, but going to bail tight out again, I fell asleep a couple hours ago, and best to continue with that line of action.
ArPharazonV: nooo! we need you for wow-report! I wasn't there for most of the week!
ArathornValar: *hands Men a fluffy pillow*
Menelvagor Valar: neither was I, Phar.
VardaValar1: Tevildo is a name of Sauron, from early books
VardaValar1: Not a new member
Eonwe Valar: Take care Menel :}
sauron432000 has left the room.
ArPharazonV: I was talking about Arathorn's cat ;-)
ArathornValar: har
ArathornValar: hrm.. he just ate the report.. glutton :-\

Eonwe Valar: Web News:
Eonwe Valar: New Story The Picnic up by Jay of Lasgalen.
Eonwe Valar: Arwen, Legolas, Elladan, Elrohir. Pre-LotR, before Aragorn's birth. One chapter long.
Menelvagor Valar has left the room.
Eonwe Valar: Seem's Varda's also putting us writers to the test :}
Eonwe Valar: Pardon, trying to copy/paste, and the size is too large ;]
Eonwe Valar: Story Writing Challenge!
VardaValar1: Hey, just like all my stuff
Eonwe Valar: Drabble challenges: Drabble Double Drabble
Eonwe Valar: Two Tolkien character challenges: (any length) Two Characters from The Hobbit Two Characters from the War of the Ring Two Valar
Eonwe Valar: Use this phrase
ArathornValar: er.. drabble?
VardaValar1: We'll back up and explain at the end : )
ArathornValar: okie
Eonwe Valar: That's the entire list. Varda, would you like to make any comments on any of these?
VardaValar1: Okies
VardaValar1: These are Challenges, but it is not with winners/losers
VardaValar1: These are shared plot ideas, and challenges to see if we can do stories with certain parameters
VardaValar1: If you can do it, you are a winner : )
VardaValar1: If not, you still contributed to the story page
VardaValar1: So we all win
ArathornValar: solo or building like the forum?
VardaValar1: A drabble is a story of exactly one-hundred words
VardaValar1: I don't understand your question, Arathorn
VardaValar1: This is for the Story page, not the Forum
ArathornValar: i.e. in the forum we build the story via other authors
ArathornValar: solo is one person writes it
VardaValar1: If you want to collaborate with someone, you can. Both get credit
VardaValar1: It is usually done solo
ArathornValar: exactly 100? wow.. that sounds tough =)
VardaValar1: It is!
VardaValar1: Anything near it is a short fic
ArathornValar: *pulls out MS Word..*
VardaValar1: If you get within 5 words, you get a mention : )
ArPharazonV: And they all lived happily ever-
VardaValar1: A double drabble is exactly 200 words
ArathornValar: soo .. umm..
Eonwe Valar: If you get within 5 words, go back and pull apart some contractions :}
VardaValar1: It has to be an actual complete thing, not just a chapter of a story
ArathornValar: if it ends. "they lives happily ever.."
ArathornValar: does that count :-P
VardaValar1: Hyphenated words are considered one word
ArPharazonV: hyphenated?
VardaValar1: Words are words
VardaValar1: Hyphenated, as in half-elf
ArPharazonV: oh, right, - is a hyphen
VardaValar1: We have some examples on the Story page
VardaValar1: Jay of Lasgalen has one at exactly one-hundred words
ArPharazonV: They lived-happily ever-after! 3 words!
ArathornValar: i.e. semi-annual
ArPharazonV: yeah, I get the point... merely kidding
Elwing V has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya Elwing : )
ArPharazonV: Aiya great-great-great-etc-grandmother!
Elwing V: Aiya all
ArathornValar: yeh I was just slow on the uptake.. watching Cinci actually winnign a game =)
VardaValar1: Double drabble is 200 words
VardaValar1: You can take several challenges and combine them if you like
VardaValar1: The next type after Drabbles and Double Drabbles is
VardaValar1: Two Tolkien characters only
VardaValar1: They have to be from Tolkien, not invented
ArPharazonV: hmm... a story, 100 words, using 4 exact phrases... I smell a challenge!
ArathornValar: hmm cool .. I just found these too: Micro fiction is a story in 250 words or less, and nanofiction is a story with a maximum of 55 words.
VardaValar1: Under that challenge is:
VardaValar1: 2 characters from The Hobbit
VardaValar1: 2 characters from the War of the Ring
VardaValar1: or 2 Valar
ArathornValar: what about a topic? is it strict or anything?
VardaValar1: Just has to meet a challenge : )
VardaValar1: Needs to be suitable for the Valar Guild Story page
ArathornValar: like say Frodo and Sam visit Disneyland :-P
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VardaValar1: That would be an AU : )
VardaValar1: Called an Alternate Universe
ArathornValar: ok, they found a portal in the shire :-P
VardaValar1: You must label it as such : )
VardaValar1: The next challenge is
VardaValar1: one you can mix with those:
ArPharazonV: a portal.. "in a hole in the ground"?
ArathornValar: lotta weird things in that hobbit hole of Bilbo's =D
VardaValar1: Include the line or phrase:
VardaValar1: the lines currently on the challenge are:
VardaValar1: caught the hem of his cloak
VardaValar1: almost missed
VardaValar1: in a hole in the ground
VardaValar1: the storm hit
ArPharazonV: "The storm hit. It almost missed, but it hit anyway."
ArPharazonV: there! 2 phrases
VardaValar1: and now do it in 100 words exactly!
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VardaValar1: And it has to make sense : )
VardaValar1: Some kind of coherence : )
VardaValar1: Mean I know
Eonwe Valar: I'm pretty sure Bilbo had a wardrobe, hehe.
VardaValar1: You can find these challenges on the first page of the Story page, near the bottom
VardaValar1: Most likely : )
ArPharazonV: "The storm hit Sam, caught the hem of his cloak, and threw him in a hole in the ground."
ArPharazonV: Poor Sam...
VardaValar1: Click the Challenges and it will go to pages to give more detail on your chosen attempt, and which stories entered
VardaValar1: We really prefer stories that can happen in Tolkien's universe
VardaValar1: That is the place we all wanted more of
ArathornValar: ok that's what I wanted to clear up
VardaValar1: But
ArathornValar: do tend to stray in my writing :-P .. silly = me
VardaValar1: you can do Alternate Universe if you really want to
ArathornValar: nah was just asking
VardaValar1: It will be given a label of AU so people will understand what they are getting into
VardaValar1: It is done all over the Tolkien story sites, not an unusual thing
ArathornValar: although Frodo and Sam trying to hail a cab in NY to get to the ring could end up humorous :-P
VardaValar1: Situation humor already
ArathornValar: cabbie is a ringwraith... nonsense ensues
VardaValar1: To reach the story page
VardaValar1: go to, click Tolkien Encyclopedia
VardaValar1: Down the list it says Stories
ArPharazonV: The storm hit, and lightning struck. A sudden wind blew Sam forward.
ArPharazonV: He stumbled on Frodo, caught the hem of his cloak, and they tumbled in a hole in the ground. "Geeh, Mr. Frodo, I almost missed you, thanks for breaking my fall!"
VardaValar1: Go from there with or without frames
VardaValar1: I'm done, Eonwe, unless there are further questions
ArPharazonV: hmm... I have something there... just need to expand it to 100 words...
Eonwe Valar: Thanks Varda :}
VardaValar1: *curtsies*
Eonwe Valar: Also in Web news, I sent Menelvagor the updates to the WoW Charter, mentioning Battlegrounds, and also fixing a couple of links.
Eonwe Valar: It should be up on the Guild's WoW page.
Eonwe Valar: A few more pieces of Web news:
Eonwe Valar: The story "Winter Wonders" by Jay of Lasgalen. Written Dec. 23, 2005. How elves may celebrate Mid Winter. One chapter. Aragorn, Legolas, Thranduil.
Eonwe Valar: Pardon, member news I somehow missed.
Eonwe Valar: Barahir's not going to have much access to the Guild for a while. He had a few extra days access to his comp, so he stopped by the meeting today.
Eonwe Valar: He'll be able to send mails in a cybercafe, but that's about it.
Eonwe Valar: Any other Web news?
VardaValar1: back
VardaValar1: Still upgrading Encyc
VardaValar1: Bunch of pages will suddenly be separated
VardaValar1: Now have a working drop down PHP box, figuring where to incorporate
Eonwe Valar: gl :}
VardaValar1: Some problems with finding room to put things, but managing so far
VardaValar1: That's it on my end

Eonwe Valar: OK, on to Gaming News:
Eonwe Valar: WoW patch 1.9 came out on Tuesday :}
Eonwe Valar: I didn't get it until Saturday. Some of us are still using dial-up :}
Eonwe Valar: or rather, early Sunday :}
Eonwe Valar: Paladin changes are interesting, not all great, not all bad, but you'll have to play one to see :}
Eonwe Valar: In this patch, we've been given a World Event to open the Gates of Ahn Qiraj.
ArPharazonV: I wish I could with my paladin... but I can't play WoW anymore...
Eonwe Valar: Beyond the gates are challenges for groups of 20 men and 40 men, but I hear from the CMs on the Blizzard Forum there are other quests involved when the gates are opened too. Guess we'll see.
VardaValar1: We can help Lothar realm open the Gates, turning in resources at IF Military Ward
Eonwe Valar: On that note, there is a "War effort" going on to bring in materiel for the opening. copper bars, bandages etc. There's some faction rep or if you prefer,
Eonwe Valar: material rewards for turning stuff in at the appropriate NPCs in Ironforge.
Eonwe Valar: It does seem Blizzard's encouraging a race to see which server will open the gates first :}
VardaValar1: We could try not to be dead last : )
ArPharazonV: apparently, our server's at 13% now... [Note: our European server is Argent Dawn] T
Eonwe Valar: You can also see that info in game if you wish.
Eonwe Valar: Talk to the guy leading up the effort in Ironforge and he'll let you see it.
ArPharazonV: come on, Lothar, long ways to go yet!
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VardaValar1: Lothar is at 20%, not shabby
VardaValar1: Top is 35%
ArPharazonV: impressive amount of Thorium bars...
ArPharazonV: 92% already!
Eonwe Valar: Cool :}
sauron432000: Aiya! Sorry, my parents woke up and I had to log out or do a fast fast shutdown earlier!
sauron432000: So what did I miss and what are we on?
Eonwe Valar: Speaking of Lothar, do we have a questing report from those able to get the patch in time?
VardaValar1: Some of us were present Friday
VardaValar1: Arathorn and I mostly hunted Runecloth from the Twilight Camp in Silithus
VardaValar1: We have more of the Laytonrim on at once
VardaValar1: Others were also on Friday, be we didn't have anything really organized going on
VardaValar1: Nothing else much to report, pairs and threes going fairly often
Eonwe Valar: I guess there's no news from our Guild members "stuck" in the European servers this week, except unfortunately Phar can't play WoW anymore.
ArathornValar: Orome, Gulma and I did a bunch of Qs in Feralas this aft
ArathornValar: er this morn actually
Eonwe Valar: cool
ArPharazonV: yup, patch did me in... crashes every time when I try to update
ArPharazonV: so I uninstalled, and tried to reinstall
Eonwe Valar: ouch Phar
ArPharazonV: now it crashes every time I try to install, at terrain.mpq
Eonwe Valar: hmm
ArPharazonV: something to do with cpu, my entire pc freezes
VardaValar1: You might check to see if you need to clear some more room
VardaValar1: Patch was huge. We had to clear space on our comp
ArPharazonV: I have like 100g left on my pc
ArPharazonV: if the patch is that huge...
ArPharazonV: besides, it's already downloaded
ArPharazonV: just went wrong during the updating itself
ArPharazonV: 100gb, that is
Eonwe Valar: Patch is 76 MEGs
ArPharazonV: yup, and as I said, space was not the problem
ArPharazonV: just froze during updating itself... very odd
ArathornValar: hmm sometimes the patch file itself is corrupt.. you might want to try to get it from another site other than bliz
VardaValar1: Uninstall and try again, sounds like. May take several times
ArPharazonV: and now I can't get it reinstalled... so no WoW whatsoever, with our without patch
ArPharazonV: I've already tried to install it at least 10 times
Eonwe Valar: do you have the CDs or the DVD version?
ArPharazonV: in various situations.. safe mode, from harddisk, etc
ArPharazonV: cd, I think
Eonwe Valar: the DVD would all be on 1 disc, the CD is on 4 or so.
ArPharazonV: aye, it's on 4
ArPharazonV: but it doesn't even get past the first cd
Eonwe Valar: hmm
Eonwe Valar: Do you have friends nearby with a copy?
ArPharazonV: as I said, it freezes during the install of terrain.mpq, every function on the pc shuts down.. can't even use keyboard or mouse
ArPharazonV: Fladrif's coming with a copy in about a week
Eonwe Valar: ok
Eonwe Valar: I hope his works in your computer.
ArPharazonV: anyway, so no WoW for me, and I think Menel is out of playtime...
VardaValar1: Hope that helps. CD may be bad
ArPharazonV: so perhaps Fladrif has post-patch news?
Eonwe Valar: Guess not :}
Eonwe Valar: Has anyone been playing anything besides WoW?
ArPharazonV: so in place of WoW, I've played several games this week
ArPharazonV: well, tried to anyway.. my Dungeon Siege cd is scratched or something, can't install that one either
ArPharazonV: I've spent the last few days in Warcraft 3
ArPharazonV: it's amazing how many maps are still the same after 8-9 months...
ArPharazonV: played a few ringwars, a few wins and losses
ArPharazonV: a few helm's deeps...
ArPharazonV: I was surprised by the lack of skillloss on my account.. I can still play them with reasonable effect
ArPharazonV: next week I think I'll be getting back in DotA and hero siege... maybe a few mauls and tower defenses... Warcraft 3, I'm back!
Narthais: anyone play daoc anymore?
Eonwe Valar: There's a couple, but I don't remember who right now.
VardaValar1: Melkor and Angrod play DAoC still, I believe
VardaValar1: some others
ArPharazonV: I've ran into a bot called Valarbuddy in the Valar channel... wasn't that one set up by Orodreth?
ArathornValar: woot I have a new [Sprite Darter Egg].. gives me a Sprite Darter Hatchling pet =)
VardaValar1: Aye, Phar : )
ArPharazonV: greeted it a few times, it didn't even respond! rude bot...
Eonwe Valar: The Games Page is a good place to find out who plays the same games as you, provided it is updated with information from members :}
VardaValar1: Phar, did you check the bot commands for it on our index page?
Eonwe Valar: congrats Arathorn :}
ArPharazonV: hmm... no, I'll check those out
Eonwe Valar: OK guys, send me Tolkien Topics :}
VardaValar1: Ok
ArPharazonV: where on the index would I find the link?
VardaValar1: Gaming
ArPharazonV: oh, found it, under diablo
ArathornValar: okie off to make some supper.. afk for a tad
Eonwe Valar: bon apetit
VardaValar1: maybe it should be separated into a Battlenet section?
VardaValar1: Enjoy
ArPharazonV: I was looking for a war3 section... once the idea went through to my head that it was for all of bnet, I found it easily

Eonwe Valar: Ok, we have 2 Tolkien Topics.
Eonwe Valar: The first one comes from Barahir, and I'll let him pose it to the group :}
ArathornValar: p btw my enchanter is at 300 now... has some nice new enchants
ArathornValar: cost alot for mats tho :-\
VardaValar1: Aye, always
Eonwe Valar: Go ahead Barahir.
VardaValar1: And you have to be psychic to know which enchants people are going to want : )
sauron432000: What Dagor Dagorat? What do we know about it? What will happen? What will cahnge? How will Morgoth return and get his revenge of the Sith? Who will stop him? Things like that!
ArPharazonV: the Sith?
VardaValar1: Sith would be Star Wars, heh
Eonwe Valar: I think that was a joke :}
sauron432000: aye, a joke!
Eonwe Valar: So there you have it guys. What do we know about Dagor Dagorath, the Last Battle?
sauron432000: you tell me!
Eonwe Valar: Well, in the old versions, I destroyed the World to Destroy Morgoth :}
ArPharazonV: yup
ArPharazonV: I also read that Turin will smite him with his sword and thus avenge his family and the Sons and Daughters of Men
VardaValar1: Eonwe had a thing for a certain lady
Eonwe Valar: Aye, Turin was there with me in the only slightly later versions.
ArPharazonV: that lady would be the mistress of the sun, would she?
ArPharazonV: Urwendi, I think?
sauron432000: an ordinary sword ? (even though its special) to kill a Valar? the mightiest one?
Eonwe Valar: Not too many guys can say they're destroy the world for their woman :}
Eonwe Valar: they're = they'd
Elwing V: Thank goodness - where would she have left to shop :-)
ArPharazonV: not an ordinary sword... his black one... which got broken somehow and buried with him... wait, something's wrong there
sauron432000: I thinks that a Magnaamar!
Eonwe Valar: In the old tales, Barahir, Turin underwent a sort of change after his death and was apparently transformed into a Vala or sorts.
sauron432000: that=that's
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sauron432000: bye Farmer!
Eonwe Valar: hehe Elwing :}
sauron432000: uh?
Eonwe Valar: It was to make up for the sorrows he had to endure in life, as Irecall.
Eonwe Valar: This of course is not what happens in the later versions of the Last Battle.
sauron432000: where, which book may I ask? Lost Tales?
Eonwe Valar: Aye, Lost Tales.
Eonwe Valar: In the later versions of the Last Battle, it is Manw� himself who descends from Taniquetil and deals with his brother Melkor.
Eonwe Valar: Morgoth is able to return to Ea because the watch on the Doors of Night have been laxed.
sauron432000: I should get that book?
sauron432000: ? = !
VardaValar1: You can also look up a lot of this in the guild's Encyc
Eonwe Valar: It's not required, but I find the History of Middle-Earth series useful and interesting.
VardaValar1: True
Eonwe Valar: But aye, you can find alot of this information in our Guild Enceyclopedia, maintained by our very own Valie of Light :}
VardaValar1: and contributed to by many guild members
VardaValar1: Most of the folks in this room, in fact
Narthais: gtg, cya everyone
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Eonwe Valar: So, Morgoth will not get his revenge :}
Eonwe Valar: Did we cover all your questions, or do you have more?
sauron432000: but I still don't undestand how it will be destroyed! Not with a mortal sword! no
Eonwe Valar: The world? no
Eonwe Valar: Morgoth? well, in the new stories I don't believe it says exactly what's done with him.
Eonwe Valar: new = in the more finalized versions of the story.
sauron432000: it = Morgoth, bad mistake!
Eonwe Valar: Existence will sort of roll away like a scroll, as described in the Sil, if memory serves.
Eonwe Valar: and if it's not said there, it's Unfinished Tales or Book of Lost Tales.
Eonwe Valar: Then the Music will be sung anew, as the Singers will better understand their part in it.
ArPharazonV: and somewhere around that time the Silmarils will be re-gathered, and Yavanna will break them to rekindle the trees...
sauron432000: I think turin's sword might be a Magnaamar! that's a way!
ArPharazonV: Magnaamar?
VardaValar1: He made it up : )
VardaValar1: The black swords were made of meteoric iron
VardaValar1: in Tolkien's works
Eonwe Valar: Anglachel/Gurthang, and Anguirel, which was kept by Eol.
ArPharazonV: whatever happened to Anguirel?
ArPharazonV: did Eol take it with him to Gondolin?
Eonwe Valar: Actually, I think Maeglin took it with him to Gondolin.
sauron432000: That's Thorin's sword, Orcrist! (my big guess)
ArPharazonV: that was my second choice :-)
Eonwe Valar: I recall Maeglin having it for one reason or another.
ArPharazonV: wasn't Orcrist Turgon's sword?
sauron432000: trolls stole them from survivors of GOndolin! and Thorin stole from them!
Eonwe Valar: Orcrist was the matching blade of Glamdring, which was Turgon's sword, so it can't be Anguirel.
ArPharazonV: ah, not too far off...
sauron432000: maybe maeglin gave it to Turgon as a birthday gift!
Eonwe Valar: Not likely :}
sauron432000: you think so? why?
ArPharazonV: maybe Turgon had Glamdring made to match Maeglin's Orcrist/Anguirel ;-)
Eonwe Valar: Maeglin would need a sword, Anguirel probably couldn't be topped by most swords.
Eonwe Valar: Eol, despite being Telerin, was quite the smith, rival possibly to even the Noldor.
ArPharazonV: does "matching blade" always have to mean that they were made at the same time?
sauron432000: remember the black metorite!
Eonwe Valar: It's the mate, which means it was made together, yes.
ArPharazonV: or that they belong to the same person? or were made by the same person? or from the same material, in this case?
ArPharazonV: ah, ok
sauron432000: same material, a balck metorite!
Eonwe Valar: Anything else on the Dagor Dagorath, though? We have a couple more topics.
sauron432000: what will happen after it?
ArPharazonV: doesn't have to be a black meteorite... just black ore inside it ;-)
Eonwe Valar: Existence will end, then Men will join the Ainur in singing a new Music.
sauron432000: I shall log off after 15 mins!
ArPharazonV: so we have to sing, in the end? hah...
VardaValar1: The meteorites had iron in them, which the ancients called star metal for good reason.
Eonwe Valar: Some of us sang in the beginning :}
VardaValar1: Ah hah! Elves' purpose: singing lessons for Men
Eonwe Valar: And Eru's making us do it right this time :}
VardaValar1: Aye, Eonwe : )
ArPharazonV: well, after all those years in the Caves, I'll sure be rested enough to sing my lungs out...
Eonwe Valar: If you get a chance :} We're not sure what'll become of Melkor, but likely you'll get stuck whereever he goes :}
VardaValar1: You can practice for a lonnng time!
VardaValar1: We'll still have a Void ;-)
Eonwe Valar: That settles it :} Phar will be singing in the Void while Morgoth cracks a whip at him to sing louder so the Void doesn't feel so empty :}
ArPharazonV: is there any reference to a difference in final fate between good and evil Men?
Eonwe Valar: I recall references that say evil Men do get thrown into the Void with Melkor. Don't recall where right now though.
sauron432000: maybe they all get zapped?
Eonwe Valar: Similar references at least can be found in BoLT though when discussing the Valar.
Eonwe Valar: ok, let's go to the next Tolkien Topic
sauron432000: okay!
ArPharazonV: Men have always had the most obscure fate... hard to believe that our actions can have such drastic consequences in the end
VardaValar1: Men had the most freedom, not bound to Arda
VardaValar1: Elves were trapped in Arda to its end
ArPharazonV: drastic as in locked out forever from the rest of humanity, not drastic as in causing the drowning of a continent... of course...
Eonwe Valar: These were sent in by e-mail to Varda, so let's see what we can do to help.
Eonwe Valar: What do we know about Aragorn's ring?
sauron432000: what ring?
VardaValar1: That first one gave the emailer problems because he did not know to look it up as the Ring of Barahir
ArPharazonV: the Ring of Barahir, no?
ArPharazonV: aye
sauron432000: that's mine! not his!
Eonwe Valar: We know among the heirlooms he received was a Ring with serpents.
ArPharazonV: phew, ring of barahir... long story
Eonwe Valar: ok, so what do we know?
ArPharazonV: Finrod gave it to Barahir as a reward, and an oath of further aid
sauron432000: that's why its mine!
ArPharazonV: Barahir was slain, an orc took his ring, Beren hunted down the orc
ArPharazonV: and took the ring back
VardaValar1: Finrod got it as an heirloom of the House of Finarfin
sauron432000: Beren handed it down to Elwing!
ArPharazonV: Beren showed it to Finrod, who fulfilled his oath
ArPharazonV: Beren handed it down to Elwing, and from there it went as an heirloom to Numenor
sauron432000: Elwing handed it to Elros...
Elwing V: I just don't have much luck with jewelry :-)
ArPharazonV: it was part of Silmarien's heritage, and thus passed down the line of Andunie
Eonwe Valar: :}
ArPharazonV: and Elendil/Isildur took it with to Middle-Earth
ArPharazonV: where it again remained an heirloom
ArPharazonV: the last king of Arnor gave it to the Snowmen (or whatever they're called) before he died on a ship, taking the 2 palantiri with him
ArPharazonV: his sons got it back
ArPharazonV: and thus it passed to Aragorn
ArPharazonV: miracle through miracle, it was the eldest heirloom to survive
Eonwe Valar: From Finarfin to Aragorn in 90 seconds :}
sauron432000: but its still mine (bad joke)
VardaValar1: Way to go : )
Elwing V: did the snake symbols have significance or just "one critter's as good as another" thing?
VardaValar1: Wisdom was one
Eonwe Valar: Aye, Finarfin was arguably the wisest of his three brothers.
VardaValar1: Also they are great for wrapping into patterns ;-)
Eonwe Valar: So do we know where Finarfin got it?
Elwing V: other Aragorn symbol was a tree, add snake(s)
VardaValar1: The emeralds are from Valinor
Eonwe Valar: interesting indeed Elwing.
Elwing V: the whole "temptation" thing (Aragorn overcame it - yay)
Elwing V: different ring involved
ArPharazonV: are we really suggesting a Christian reference?
VardaValar1: Just interesting
Elwing V: somewhat - not directly (on my part) - similarities are there
VardaValar1: Another way of mentioning temptation, which is what the Ring did so well
Eonwe Valar: So I guess we're done with this topic?
Eonwe Valar: Anything else to add to it?
VardaValar1: The ring was made in Valinor
VardaValar1: by Noldor craftsmen
VardaValar1: Done
sauron432000: um...
sauron432000: I wanna make a request...!
sauron432000: do any one of you middle-earthers, wanna be my pen-pal?
VardaValar1: I'm alreadly pen-palling with you ; )
sauron432000: Drats, I know i shouldn't have asked
Eonwe Valar: I'm afraid I usually barely have time to write to myself, let alone another person, so I would be of no help there.
sauron432000: okay!
Eonwe Valar: (not that I write to myself, just an example)
Eonwe Valar: :}
sauron432000: Guess I could talk to some about Tolkien things, about our countries and cities and things liek that!
sauron432000: I'm a big fan of Star Wars and Harry Potter too!
sauron432000: silence!
VardaValar1: Barahir is from India, lots of interesting things to talk about
VardaValar1: Most are afk, Barahir : )
VardaValar1: People will read the transcript
sauron432000: why me? Why its only when I talk, has the force deserted me?
Eonwe Valar: It's not only when you talk, I assure you :}
VardaValar1: Maybe you should call on the Valar. ;-) No, we all have this problem
sauron432000: gee thanks, I thought I was talking to myself!
ArPharazonV: sorry, kinda afk, rereading a few webcomics
VardaValar1: Note the number who actually respond is very small
Eonwe Valar: Shall we bang the gavel here and save the last two topics for next week?
ArPharazonV: 2 more topics?
sauron432000: for I thinks, most of the botom order is silent!
Eonwe Valar: Aye, 2 more topics :}
sauron432000: what about you Phar?
VardaValar1: He's reading web-comics : )
ArPharazonV: me? pen-pal? as in actually putting pen to paper?
Eonwe Valar: We can throw the ones we've discussed on the Forum to try and spark more discussion there.
VardaValar1: As in emailing, in your case!
sauron432000: nice jokse!
sauron432000: drats, typos!
VardaValar1: I did put in another bit on the Tolkien trivia, got no response
VardaValar1: Want me to try again?
Eonwe Valar: That's the Eagles question?
ArPharazonV: not a big fan of email-contact, takes so much work.... I enjoy chatting on messengers a lot more
sauron432000: thats alrite!
sauron432000: what about the others, the afk one?
VardaValar1: Aye, it was
VardaValar1: Barahir, how about talking on AIM with Phar here?
VardaValar1: I was considering putting in another trivia question, since that was Dec 8 and zero answers
ArPharazonV: :-D
Eonwe Valar: I'll reply right now, you can tell me in the next message I'm right, and I'll pick something to ask :}
VardaValar1: ok : )
sauron432000: I'll answer the triva!
Eonwe Valar: Replied :}
VardaValar1: thanks : )
Eonwe Valar: mp :}
Eonwe Valar: Was hoping someone else would take a crack :} Don;t want to answer them all :}
ArPharazonV: Meneldur... ack... that was the name
ArPharazonV: I keep forgetting him
VardaValar1: Helps to log in, heh
Eonwe Valar: Btw, new posts to the MEO RP for those who haven't read them yet
VardaValar1: replied on Forum. All yours, Eonwe
Eonwe Valar: Should've mentioned that at the meeting too.
VardaValar1: MeO RP also called LotRO rp
Eonwe Valar: oh yeah.
Eonwe Valar: *bangs gavel*

Eonwe Valar: Aftermeeting :}
VardaValar1: Remember to log in on the Forum to post
sauron432000: gotta go!
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Elwing V: Namarie all
VardaValar1: maybe Eonwe can get in some WoW time? : )
ArPharazonV: at least someone can...
ArPharazonV: I think I'll just go back to War3 soon
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VardaValar1: You might email Blizzard or phone your local branch
ArPharazonV: I filled in one of them webforms for technicall support... no response yet
ArPharazonV: *technical
VardaValar1: I got the best response by live phone, but we tried email too
VardaValar1: Sometimes helps
VardaValar1: Namarie for now!
ArPharazonV: Namarie!
ArPharazonV: I love the snowman series...
Eonwe Valar: OK, new trivia question up.
Eonwe Valar: I will now take this chance to head out.
Eonwe Valar: Take care all, good night, have fun, sleep well, Study hard, and remember that all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, so watch out for Jack :}
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VardaValar1: Aiya Haldir
ArPharazonV: Aiya
Haldir V: aiya
ArPharazonV: I played you several times in Helm's Deep in war3! You rule!
Haldir V: who
Haldir V: orodreth?
ArPharazonV: Haldir :-)
Haldir V: me
Haldir V: i havnt played wc3 for a while
ArPharazonV: ...
Haldir V: like months
Haldir V: must be the wrong haldir :D
ArPharazonV: I mean the hero Haldir in the Helm's Deep maps :-)
ArPharazonV: you are Haldir, right? ;-)
ArPharazonV: note I said that I played you, not that I played with you or against you :-)
VardaValar1: Topics:
VardaValar1: sauron432000: What Dagor Dagorat? What do we know about it? What will happen? What will cahnge? How will Morgoth return and get his revenge of the Sith? Who will stop him? Things like that!
VardaValar1: Eonwe Valar: Anything else on the Dagor Dagorath, though? We have a couple more topics.
Haldir V: oo ic
VardaValar1: ArPharazonV: is there any reference to a difference in final fate between good and evil Men?
Haldir V: in the appendix for ROTK it says that aragorn made peace with the easterlings and haradrim
VardaValar1: Emailer asked this question:
VardaValar1: What do we know about Aragorn's ring?
Haldir V: or somthing like that
Haldir V: ring of barahir?
VardaValar1: Elwing V: did the snake symbols have significance or just "one critter's as good as another" thing?
Haldir V: good questions
VardaValar1: We had two more questions but too many people were afk to go on
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VardaValar1: Haldir's internet messed up, had to sign out
VardaValar1: I need to leave too
VardaValar1: Take care.
ArPharazonV: oki, will save and send
Srekal86: Namarie
ArPharazonV: Namarie
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