Valar Guild

December 3, 2006 Meeting

5pm EST (GMT - 5); (GMT = 22:00)
AIM: Valar Guild Meetingplace

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Transcript work by: 
Ar-Pharazon-(V), Gilraen-(V), and Varda-(Valar)

Attending (16):
    Members: Aerandir-(V)/mordacil, Ancalagon-(V)/Sarujil, ArPharazonV, Arwen V1, FinduilasV, Finrod-(V)/TH0R0NGIL, FladrifV, Gilraen-(V)/Star of Phaet, Glorfindel VG, Menelvagor Valar, Olwe-(V)/FallenGlory, Valandil Valar, VardaValar1 (presiding)
    Visitors: Amarie-(ex)/mecoons, Herumor-(ex)/Nemoeverlonely (connection had problems keeping up with scrolling, moved to chat in side window), Srekal86

Meeting begins
    New Tolkien-only! Alcardilme-(TV)
    2007 Member Roster now in progress. Make sure Varda knows to include you!
    WoW Europe gamers came together during this meeting and created their first full Valar Guild branch. It's on Argent Dawn server with Menelvagor-(Valar) as branch-master. Charter members mentioned are: Ar-Pharazon, Finduilas, Fladrif, Menelvagor, Valandil. Tabard description.
    Tolkien Site: new section to more simply navigate our many Tolkien projects, instead of using the Tolkien Encyclopedia as that overall name.
    New Stories, both by Alcardilme
Gaming: Mainly covered under Membership above
    WoW: See Membership for WoW Europe as the biggest news!
    LotRO an official Valar Guild branch is definitely set for when the game comes out.
    Topic 1: suggested by Ancalagon-(V) in-game: How did the dragons contribute to Tolkien's story line? besides dying?
    Topic 2: suggested by the brother of Aerandir-(V): Why didn't the eagles carry Frodo directly to Mount Doom with the One Ring?
    Note: A member feared that creating the Argent Dawn branch destroyed the meeting. In Varda's opinion at least, it met one of the major purposes of having a meeting! Thank you, all of our European WoW folk, for going to this effort especially in the wee hours of your day.

You have just entered room "valarguildmeetingplace."
ArPharazonV: Aiya Varda!
VardaValar1: Aiya Phar!
VardaValar1: I'll be needing your transcript even more than usual.
VardaValar1: This is not my usual computer. :-)
VardaValar1: Note the scary smiley. ;-)
VardaValar1: ok, kinda cute actually.
ArPharazonV: oh dear... not those smilies again
ArPharazonV: just had AIM contact with Valandil, he's hopefully coming to the meeting...
FladrifV has entered the room.
ArPharazonV: and he uses the same smilies..
VardaValar1: That would be cool : )
VardaValar1: Aiya : )
Valandil Valar has entered the room.
FladrifV: Aiya
Valandil Valar: aiya
VardaValar1: Valandil! Great to see you again!
Valandil Valar: it has been a long time
VardaValar1 has left the room.
VardaValar1 has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Trying again. Nutty program. Older one was much easier.
ArPharazonV: you have a new AIM?
Valandil Valar: tell me what to do
Menelvagor Valar has entered the room.
VardaValar1: I'm on a different computer than usual and trying to invite everyone
Menelvagor Valar: Aiya
ArPharazonV: Aiya Menel
VardaValar1: This is a different AIM program too, kinda nutty
VardaValar1: Hello to WoW Europe!
ArPharazonV: hehe
Star of Phaet has entered the room.
ArPharazonV: any Americans gonna show up tonight too? besides you? ;-)
Valandil Valar: all europeans ?
VardaValar1: I'm trying.
Star of Phaet: ooh, that time of night already
Sarujil has entered the room.
TH0R0NGIL has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Just wrestling the new program
VardaValar1: Aiya
Star of Phaet: Aiya all
Valandil Valar: aiya
VardaValar1: When you guys learn how to come on your own, it won't be quite so hard. : )
ArPharazonV: hey, I did!
mecoons has entered the room.
ArPharazonV: finished the Allied campaign of the Red Alert 2 expansion Yuri's Revenge 4 minutes before the meeting, so I'm all yours!
VardaValar1: Hail
VardaValar1: yay!
mecoons: Hello
VardaValar1: Mae govannen : )
VardaValar1: Great new AIM Triton program of Bilbo's, sorry, having trouble with it.
VardaValar1: If any of you can help out on invitations, please do
VardaValar1: Hoping I invited everyone and to the same place. : )
mecoons: i don't have aim triton so if you give me a list i can invite people
VardaValar1: It's on the Members Page
mecoons: link?
VardaValar1: I've been told the program for it on Quick AIM isn't working, and it's not updated
VardaValar1: Click Members
VardaValar1: Menelvagor, can you invite?
Nemoeverlonely has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya
Nemoeverlonely: Aiya
FinduilasV has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Hail
mecoons: this could very well take me a bit
VardaValar1: You shouldn't have to do this
FinduilasV: Aiya there !
Menelvagor Valar: I have invited everyone on my list.
VardaValar1: I'm trying again
VardaValar1: Thanks, Menel
Menelvagor Valar: may have missed a number though.
ArPharazonV: yay, another European!
FinduilasV: Valandil L)
VardaValar1: Menel, check the list on the Members page for updates
mecoons: ok did you want me to try and copy names and invite that way
VardaValar1: We put the list on a group, then invite the group, such as Valar, all at the same time.
Valandil Valar: i told you i would be here :-)
VardaValar1: Thanks for coming, Valandil
FinduilasV: :D
ArPharazonV: eep, evil smiley
VardaValar1: Amarie, we hope we covered it
VardaValar1: between Menel and me
VardaValar1: If any of you see someone we missed, please give an invitation.
mecoons: i don't know looking online i see a lot of people
Srekal86 has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Amarie, don't worry about it
mecoons: ok
VardaValar1: Hi Srekal - glad you could come
mecoons: normally i would like to help but i am quite confused
Srekal86: 'lo
VardaValar1: I'm sorry it is hard. Arathorn made an automatically loading list but I don't know how to update his programming correctly, and think I broke it.
VardaValar1: So we have a list on the Members page
mordacil has entered the room.
VardaValar1: It was really meant to help by updating one or two, but it would be tough to put them all in at once unless you want to take some time.
mordacil: aiya
VardaValar1: Heya Aerandir : )
mordacil: working on school project
FinduilasV: Aiya there!
VardaValar1: Thanks for having us as a side dish. : )
VardaValar1: Good luck with it!
mordacil: oh, and if you want a discussion topic, my brothe asked why diddnt frodo just fly into mordor with eagles?
Menelvagor Valar: it will take me a while to update my list *grins*
VardaValar1: ok, we can do that.
VardaValar1: We also have one from Ancalagon, who is playing on a game which may not be named. : )
VardaValar1: Menel, you are one person stuck with the real need to update his list. : )
VardaValar1: Let's start

VardaValar1: Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo!
VardaValar1: Membership News:
VardaValar1: We have a new Tolkien-only member
VardaValar1: Alcardilme-(TV)
VardaValar1: She's the site manager for Henneth-Annun
VardaValar1: It's for stories of Middle-earth
VardaValar1: She uses our site some for research and asked if she could send in some stories
VardaValar1: So she's with us. Fun emailer too. : )
VardaValar1: Also on Membership,
Menelvagor Valar: updated up to F :P
VardaValar1: we are now checking to see who wants to be counted in for 2007.
VardaValar1: Good job, Menelvagor. ; )
VardaValar1: Anyone who comes to a meeting and doesn't tell us to let them go can automatically be counted as active. So you're all covered. : )
VardaValar1: Assuming Pharazon sends me this transcript!
ArPharazonV: I hope so!
ArPharazonV: I'll save right now just to get the name-call ;-)
VardaValar1: If anyone else would also like to email a copy, that would be good.
VardaValar1: Thank you, Phar!
VardaValar1: Tolkien-onlies need to be considering what they will be sending in for a 2007 project to keep their membership.
ArPharazonV: okido, saving is done
VardaValar1: If it's not done by Jan, at least email what you have planned..
VardaValar1: Ongoing help from TV's such as donations of web space and their web pages keep them active.
VardaValar1: Emails are really good as records
VardaValar1: Forum posts work fine
VardaValar1: The Tolkien site projects are just for the Tolkien-onlies, to answer a side question.
VardaValar1: But they are also welcome from Full Members or just for fun.
ArPharazonV has left the room.
Menelvagor Valar: sent a bunch more invitations.
FallenGlory has entered the room.
Nemoeverlonely has left the room.
VardaValar1: Thanks
VardaValar1: Aiya : )
Menelvagor Valar: Oh, I found 2 more possible members, together with Finduilas on WoW Europe.
VardaValar1: Valandil brought up a topic
VardaValar1: which Menel is now addressing : )
Menelvagor Valar: *grin*
VardaValar1: Argent Dawn is scouting for charter members in Europe. : )
Valandil Valar: not very succesfully i fear
Menelvagor Valar: Charter is not yet up, but I will buy one soon.
Menelvagor Valar: Valandil, I don't care how long it takes for the charter to be filled, as long as it is filled with full members proper.
VardaValar1: The charter needs to be carried by someone who can be on a good bit. Think you can handle that?
Menelvagor Valar: I am online most of the time.
VardaValar1: It takes time to build anything with quality
Menelvagor Valar: for the moment at least.
Menelvagor Valar: tell me about it :)
VardaValar1: Then that works if the other AD folks are ok with that?
Valandil Valar: sure
Valandil Valar: my point was only that people don t really have a good reaction when you advertise on AD
FinduilasV: Finduilasse has found someone who might be nterested\]'
Valandil Valar: so it all comes down to luck
Menelvagor Valar: I am online on AD as we speak, so the ones present here could bring in their chars and get the first sigs in.
Menelvagor Valar: Don't advertise, we will run into them, or they into us.
VardaValar1: That was a good point, Valandil. We don't usually advertise in-game.
Menelvagor Valar: Who is that, Findu?
Valandil Valar: that is my point exactly
ArPharazonV has entered the room.
ArPharazonV: *testing*
VardaValar1: We usually meet people and invite them if we like them.
ArPharazonV: ok, I'm back
Menelvagor Valar: being leader of a large community and being in quite a number of guilds with different chars helps though :)
ArPharazonV: missed a lot, so if anyone could please send a transcript of their own, it would be greatly appreciated
VardaValar1: That's why we need a lot of people scouting for good folk who have read LotR.
FinduilasV: Chanassa , who is also one of yhour raiding party
Menelvagor Valar: Yep, she is one of the 2 I mentioned :)
ArPharazonV: can I get that confirmed?
VardaValar1: Also, if you meet someone who knows nothing of LotR, you can invite him to the friend channel. Use /join Valar
Menelvagor Valar: The other is a hunter called Eress�a, very interested to join, fun to be around with, well spoken, etc.
Glorfindel VG has entered the room.
Valandil Valar: i think i have met her
ArPharazonV: I've met Eressea too
VardaValar1: Heya Glorfindel : )
Glorfindel VG: hello =]
VardaValar1: We can also use active scouting on other games that we play. : )
ArPharazonV: came with us to a Nefarian-kill one day, I talked to her about the Valarguild, but never heard form her again...
ArPharazonV: *from
FinduilasV: Valandil, have you met folk who might be interested?
VardaValar1: Try inviting real prospects to the friend channel, and give them our website
Valandil Valar: not really
VardaValar1: Even if we don't have an actual branch, an active friend channel with people from any guild can help a lot in questing and filling in a raid group.
Valandil Valar: ok
Menelvagor Valar: Eress�a is (and not Eressea, mark) a hunter associated with LotP, so I see her nearly every day :-)
ArPharazonV: I know about the �, Menel, I was just keeping it simple...I hate using those things ;-)
VardaValar1: I've been trying to get them to work on the website. Seems like the only way is copy/paste.
FinduilasV: Chan wanted to come tonight , but i have not seen her since Friday i think
VardaValar1: Without them we look a bit illiterate, sadly
VardaValar1: Any of you like to join Menel and sign the charter now? : )
Valandil Valar: i can
Menelvagor Valar: Btw, for everyone who wants, I am now taking the charter in Darnassus.
ArPharazonV: Darnassus, eh...
Menelvagor Valar: or rather, going to walk to Darnassus to buy it :)
FinduilasV: on my way with my new priest Faeilivrin , ust signing in
Menelvagor Valar: character name = Menelvagor
VardaValar1: Sounds oddly familiar : )
ArPharazonV: I would have to use one of my own alts, but they're all very far away
Valandil Valar: i am in Booty Bay (or at least my hunter is)
ArPharazonV: hardly have room to make a new one
Arwen V1 has entered the room.
Valandil Valar: who should i send ?
VardaValar1: Arwen, aiya!
Menelvagor Valar: Menelvagor.
VardaValar1: Start one on a gryphon and maybe he'll make it before Menel falls asleep : )
Menelvagor Valar: time aplenty before sleep :)
ArPharazonV: you know what? I'll make a new one called Pharazonv, since Pharazon's taken, and I'll get him to sign the charter
ArPharazonV: if all else fails, he can always act as my bank in Darnassus ;-)
ArPharazonV: this is AD, right?
VardaValar1: aye
VardaValar1: Unless you guys really want to shift to Lightbringer
VardaValar1: Now is the time to be sure!
ArPharazonV: or I could try and name him Alcarondas to fit in a bit more with my other characters...
Menelvagor Valar: Flad, Phar, coming?
ArPharazonV: yeah, hang on
Arwen V1: Aiya
FinduilasV: no we better stau on AD , its qucker to change to othere charas if needed
VardaValar1: Those of you not in Europe, please remember you are very welcome to scout also. : )
ArPharazonV: wondering what class ;-)
FinduilasV: omw to Darnassus btw
VardaValar1: We will definitely have a Valar Guild branch on Lord of the Rings Online when it comes out.
VardaValar1: The date expected now is Spring 2007 for that.
VardaValar1: Sadly, they once again split us up. I had really hoped all this great new technology would let us be together again.
VardaValar1: We will still push for it.
Menelvagor Valar: Any, Phar, you can alway change later
VardaValar1: WoW has found ways to have servers meet for pvp group battles, which makes me think a way can be found.
VardaValar1: If they can get us together to bash each other over the head, why not for friendly questing? : )
VardaValar1: One more thing in Membership,
VardaValar1: we need a volunteer to email a transcript to me.
ArPharazonV: ok, I made my character
VardaValar1: I am still trying to make this one save.
VardaValar1: Phar, who usually helps with this, crashed part way in.
VardaValar1: Let's not all stampede here. : )
VardaValar1: Gaming:
FinduilasV: hihi, oki dok .
FinduilasV: oh wait
VardaValar1: Has anyone who is not afk played anything besides WoW this week? : )
FinduilasV: I just wanted to say that i have a mcroppboone now so i can talk on venrtrilo
VardaValar1: Yay Finduilas!
ArPharazonV: played Red Alert 2 and its expansion
FinduilasV: and jI played WCII got finally the blademaster and burned out the orc camp
ArPharazonV: finished both campaigns of the original game, the allied campaign of the expansion, and probably starting the russian campaign tomorrow
FinduilasV: so started chapter III hehe
ArPharazonV: *testing*
ArPharazonV: allright, I'm still here ;-)
Valandil Valar: me too
VardaValar1: Good to see you : )
Menelvagor Valar: Can someone poke Fladrif awake?
Menelvagor Valar: He's not so quick as of late.
VardaValar1: WoW Lothar had a rough time Friday. Most of the usual gang were on a special event for the game which cannot be named.
FladrifV: you called me?
VardaValar1: It's the chill weather on his roots.
FladrifV: my roots are frozen into the ground up here
VardaValar1: Elwing was there for many hours and could use your company
VardaValar1: Eonwe, Varda, and Sauron came in late
VardaValar1: We hope to do better next Friday : )
VardaValar1: How goes the WoW Euro charter gryphoning and signing? : )
ArPharazonV: we're slowly getting together
Menelvagor Valar: Get on WoW to sign the guild charter :)
ArPharazonV: Flad must join usss!
VardaValar1: You're so popular right now, Fladrif : )

VardaValar1: Web:
VardaValar1: Tolkien Site
VardaValar1: A new section was added thanks to requests by several users
VardaValar1: It's the Tolkien Site rather than the Tolkien Encyclopedia, so that all the various things we do are more easily accessed
VardaValar1: Not all links have been changed to it yet, but enough have so you can see if you like it
VardaValar1: Your input is desired, as this is your site.
VardaValar1: It is also your ad to help you in scouting
VardaValar1: Suggestions welcome
VardaValar1: We have two new stories from Alcardilme-(TV), our new member.
VardaValar1: The one that is complete is "Letters From Faramir".
VardaValar1: They are not meant to be read by anyone, but are sent to his brother, Boromir, who is probably dead.
VardaValar1: Faramir learns to cope with the loss by the time of the last letter.
VardaValar1: The other story is incomplete and novel length
"Ten Thousand Years Will Not Suffice"
VardaValar1: She has a great deal of it written but is proofreading it for us before each chapter goes up.
VardaValar1: She is confident that it will be completed, and I believe she will.
VardaValar1: We can also use art from anyone here who would like to illustrate stories, poems, articles, or whatever takes your fancy.
VardaValar1: The writers would be tickled to have this kindness done for them, but please dont be upset if they opt not to take a particular piece of art.
VardaValar1: Likely it can be used elsewhere, so no worries of wasting!

VardaValar1: Tolkien:
VardaValar1: The first suggestion for a topic came from Ancalagon-(V):
VardaValar1: after a fashion. : )
ArPharazonV: sorry we're letting you monologue, but setting up a charter seems tricky, with lots of characters all over azeroth ;-)
VardaValar1: How did the dragons contribute to Tolkien's story line?
VardaValar1: Supposed to be some non-Europeans here too, Phar. : )
VardaValar1: First, can you folks list any of the dragons? : )
ArPharazonV: Ancalagon, Glaurung, Smaug, Scatha
VardaValar1: So, N. America is asleep. : ) Thank you, Phar : )
VardaValar1: How was Ancalagon the Black used in the story?
VardaValar1: If anyone is here, please type Aye.
VardaValar1: Aye
VardaValar1: heh
Star of Phaet: Aye, just about
VardaValar1: Ok, everyone go back to what you were doing. ;-)
ArPharazonV: Aye, but only sometimes..
Srekal86: :p
VardaValar1: I think the dragon topic died a horrible death. : )
VardaValar1: One more try.
VardaValar1: Why didn't Frodo hop an eagle and carry the Ring to Mt. Doom?
Star of Phaet: because that was too easy
VardaValar1: It could not be done. Why not?
ArPharazonV: wouldn't sell ;-) but seriously, there may have been like anti-air defenses
ArPharazonV: Nazgul, orcs with crossbows, you name it ;-)
Star of Phaet: they were trying to keep under the radar, so to speak... a giant bird heading to Mt Doom is a lil obvious
VardaValar1: Also note when the eagles did make it in, the place was already falling apart.
VardaValar1: The eagles, although of Manwe, did not have his power either.
VardaValar1: Any opening would have been well-blocked.
VardaValar1: And I already know what I think, and could go on. : )
VardaValar1: Any other suggestions?
VardaValar1: The Valar could have squashed Sauron like a bug, and a good chunk of the Free Peoples in the process.
ArPharazonV: maybe an eagle wouldn't be as much as a help to Frodo under the influence of the Ring as much as his friends were
Star of Phaet: they weren't expecting the Hobbits on foot. But by bird, they would perhaps have been seen far enough in advance for Mordor to have gathered a... welcome party.
ArPharazonV: not that it helped in the end that Sam was there when he decided to not throw in the Ring...
VardaValar1: That Frodo made it all the way to Mt. Doom with only the help of another hobbit was an epic feat.
VardaValar1: and the "help" of still another hobbit, Gollum.
ArPharazonV: if Frodo had gone on an Eagle, Gollum couldn't have joined the trip, and would most likely still be in Moria
ArPharazonV: and Gollum was in the end the only thing that caused the Ring to be destroyed :-)
ArPharazonV: as servants of Manwe, the Eagles might have foreseen this part
VardaValar1: Gollum was the instrument used to destroy the Ring in the end, aye.
VardaValar1: Frodo put a sort of geas on Gollum and the Ring.
VardaValar1: Frodo's command was that if Gollum hurt him, then the Ring would make him jump over a cliff even into a pit of fire.
VardaValar1: Gollum bit off Frodo's finger, definitely a hurt.
VardaValar1: The Ring was unaware that sitting on Frodo's finger meant that it was attached to Gollum rather than Frodo.
VardaValar1: The Ring sent Gollum over the cliff into the fire. An apparent "mis-step".
VardaValar1: I wish PJ had made a voice-over of Frodo's command while Gollum was dancing. That would have been drama and original.
Star of Phaet: aye
VardaValar1: I agree with you folks that the eagles were too obvious, easily seen coming.
VardaValar1: That was the same reason no army went with Frodo.
VardaValar1: Sauron did not have a real defense ready as he did not expect that particular danger.
VardaValar1: If the eagles came, they would be spotted far off. Defenses would be ready of all sorts.
VardaValar1: As Phar said, Nazguls of the air, Orc crossbows.
VardaValar1: How about blasting fires?
ArPharazonV: was almost gonna see Flak Cannons, but played a bit too much Red Alert 2...
ArPharazonV: *say
VardaValar1: and sealing Mt. Orodruin, except to have its flak cannon, er, top go off.
VardaValar1: hehe Phar
VardaValar1: They were still just birds, not flame-proof and armored dragons.
VardaValar1: Aerandir, I hope we answered your brother to his satisfaction. : )
VardaValar1: The answer to carrying the Ring to the fire was in secrecy and misdirection.
VardaValar1: Ok, shall we turn everyone loose to game and chat? : )
VardaValar1: *bangs gavel*

VardaValar1: After-meeting!
VardaValar1: So who is saving this transcript? : )
VardaValar1: o well : )
VardaValar1: Mara mesta!
ArPharazonV: ehr.. 2 parts of it, I guess :-)
ArPharazonV: but there'd better be a middle part from someone...
VardaValar1: We'll work with a quilt if we can, Phar.
VardaValar1: Mostly we need the names of who made it to the meeting, whether they promptly lurked or not. : )
VardaValar1: I made a stab at saving it with this system, so we might have that middle. We'll find out. : )
VardaValar1: How goes the charter collecting?
Menelvagor Valar: Bad.
Menelvagor Valar: seems that if someone goes offline, the signature disappears.
Menelvagor Valar: so now collecting friends to get the guild started.
HoMe SLc 4 ShO has entered the room.
HoMe SLc 4 ShO: who invited me in here?
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FinduilasV: You are a founder member of the CValar Guild Europe
ArPharazonV: yay!
VardaValar1: That's odd
VardaValar1: Auros (Eonwe) and Gilbrennil (me) lugged our charters around for weeks.
VardaValar1: All signatures remained just fine.
Star of Phaet: perhaps they've changed it? *baffled look*
VardaValar1: CValar?
VardaValar1: Congratulations to the founding members : )
VardaValar1: What did you name the guild?
VardaValar1: I will assume Valar Guild
ArPharazonV: yup
Menelvagor Valar: The Guild Tabard is a white tree (the dead one) on a green background with a white border.
VardaValar1: Thanks Phar : )
VardaValar1: So you opted not to go with the one used on Lothar and Uldaman?
VardaValar1: Sounds Gondorian : )
VardaValar1: Thanks for letting us know what it looks like : )
Menelvagor Valar: Yep :)
Menelvagor Valar: closest Tolkien match I could find :)
VardaValar1: We went with the Flame of Eru
VardaValar1: Screenshots on Arathorn's screenshot page for WoW
VardaValar1: I'm just glad it's done : )
VardaValar1: Take care and happy gaming in the new guild branch!
VardaValar1: Namarie for now!
Star of Phaet: Namarie
ArPharazonV: Namarie
FladrifV: namarie varda
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Star of Phaet: I shall be off myself, I think. It's getting rather late here
Star of Phaet: Namarie, folks
ArPharazonV: Namarie!
Star of Phaet has left the room.
FinduilasV: pooh we managed to wreck the meeting with our foundation meeting '-)
Menelvagor Valar: hehe :)
Menelvagor Valar: that we did.
Menelvagor Valar: but it was worth it :)
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Valandil Valar: i am off, hope to be back here soon
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ArPharazonV: ok, saving and sending
ArPharazonV: remember, if anyone can... send a transcript for the part I'm missing :-)