October 30, 2005 Meeting
5pm ESDT (GMT -5)
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Transcript work by: Ar-Pharazon-(Valar), Menelvagor-(Valar), and Varda-(Valar)
Attending list and who belongs to that odd AIM name anyway?
ArPharazonV, Arwen V1, Barahir-(V)/sauron432000,
Bombur-(V)/MrMonkey2002Blah, Elros-(V)/LouieKisKowsKi, Eonwe Valar,
Finwe-(V)/aranfinwe, GilraenV, Glorfindel VG, Farmer
Maggot-(V)/bnetValar, Menelvagor Valar, Olwe-(V)/FallenGlory,
Orodreth V/Alasseo (IRC), Ugluk of Old, VardaValar1
Caranthir and Elladan: Hurricane Rita
words" of introduction
Age of Wonders II
Bravery against hopeless odds in Tolkien's works
Who offered choice and who offered only submission?
More Tolkien topics:
How change came and how it affected
people in M-e.
What fortificatons were in the
Ugluk took and passed his rejoining
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FarmerMaggotV has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Thanks for Bridging :-)
FarmerMaggotV: no prob =)
GilraenV has entered the room.
Arwen V1 has entered the room.
Arwen V1: hiya!
VardaValar1: Hello there!
Menelvagor Valar has entered the room.
Menelvagor Valar: evening
VardaValar1: Hail :-)
Arwen V1: Hail!
MrMonkey2002Blah has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Hiya Bombur : )
ArPharazonV has entered the room.
ArPharazonV: Aiya all
VardaValar1: Hey there
aranfinwe has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya : )
Srekal86 has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar has entered the room.
Srekal86: allo mates, just got home.
Eonwe Valar: hey all
VardaValar1: I don't think my inviter page is fully
updated yet, if you happen to see someone
VardaValar1: Welcome home!
ArPharazonV: we are your family! the guild is your
VardaValar1: and Eonwe is your father, Luke... er,
Eonwe Valar: My parents would be surprised to learn
I'm a father :}
GilraenV: <- not reading Star Wars fanfic,
Eonwe Valar: I would be moreso :}
VardaValar1: We tend to run the movies now and
then. TV doesn't have much on : )
sauron432000 has entered the room.
sauron432000: Aiya everyone!
Orodreth V has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar: Heya
ArPharazonV: hmm... I've been looking for the blood
of the tormented from BRD, and it seems the key keeper spawns at random
ArPharazonV: already found 3 so far, but according
em=11197 there are 6...
ArPharazonV: why do I have the feeling that with my
luck, I'll discover them all before I can even get my hands on that
Orodreth V: /me sings Behind Blue Eyes
VardaValar1: are brown eyes? : )
Eonwe Valar: The Who original or the Limp Biskit
sauron432000: u talking about warcraft?
ArPharazonV: I am, yeah, World of Warcraft
Orodreth V: The Who
Orodreth V: Limp Biskit ruined that song. Never
Orodreth V: Ever.
Eonwe Valar: I don't think it was terrible, but
it's not anywhere near as good as the original.
Eonwe Valar: I have heard some ruined remakes.
VardaValar1: sauron43200 is Barahir-(V)
sauron432000: I knew that!
Eonwe Valar: I don't like it when they "adjust" the
Eonwe Valar: If you're not going to be true to the
song, don't touch.
VardaValar1: Like movie makers adjusting books? : )
Only worse since it's the same medium.
ArPharazonV: exactly, Varda, the adjustment between
mediums is just because it's a different medium
ArPharazonV: within the same medium, there is no
Orodreth V: Rob Zombie's "tribute" to the Ramones
was so wrong. He turned Blitzkrieg Bop into..something else.
ArPharazonV: you can't pour a book into movie-form
literally and expect it to be doable or interesting
Eonwe Valar: The Ataris' remake of "Boys of Summer"
would've been great had they not changed the lyrics in one place.
ArPharazonV: but when it goes from music to music,
well... as I said, no excuse
Eonwe Valar: OK, let's talk about tributes :}
sauron432000: what tributes?
Eonwe Valar: A tribute should not exist for a brand
VardaValar1: Send them to my address... ;-)
Orodreth V: Obviously.
Eonwe Valar: there is no point for a "tribute" to
Linkin Park, for example.
Eonwe Valar: A tribute to the Rolling Stones, who
have been around for about 30 or so years, is a different story.
sauron432000: what this tribute for?
Orodreth V: And tributes should be true to the
original song -- that's the idea of a tribute. If you want to
"reinterpret" the song, do a cover version like real artists.
Eonwe Valar: "Tribute" as in when other people
remake the songs of another band .
GilraenV: I'm gonna go to bed folks... namarie
Eonwe Valar: and say it's "in honor of" or a
"tribute to" that band.
sauron432000: thanks Eonwe!
GilraenV has left the room.
VardaValar1: Good night, Gilraen!
VardaValar1: She and I had a mini-meeting so she
could go to bed
Orodreth V: Covers are fine -- that's how rock 'n'
roll started. But a tribute album to an artist that's still in their
ArPharazonV: an adjusted "tribute" seems like
arrogance to me... you know, "let's honor the group by making what they
have even better with our leet skills"
Eonwe Valar: I would say a tribute to a new artist,
but same idea.
Orodreth V: Yea.
Eonwe Valar: Some people might think the Rolling
Stones and Aerosmith are still in their prime, heh.
Orodreth V: Some people are kooks.
Menelvagor Valar: they are :-)
Orodreth V: Just becasue they're touring dosn't put
them in their prime.
Eonwe Valar: I'm not really a fan of their new
songs myself, but that's me :}
Eonwe Valar: The point is, Aerosmith and the
Rolling Stones have been around a while, paid their dues, and
contributed to music.
Orodreth V: An Elvis tribute album is a perfect
tribute album. A Sterophonics album is not.
Eonwe Valar: Linkin Park, while I like them, have
not been around long enough to warrant a "tribute" album.
Menelvagor Valar: who or what is Sterophonics? :-)
Eonwe Valar: exactly to me or Menel? :}
ArPharazonV: well, exactly is in Menel's question
seems to exactly prove your point ;-)
Eonwe Valar: :}
Orodreth V has left the room.
Eonwe Valar: Glad we can all agree :}
Eonwe Valar: well, several of us :}
Eonwe Valar: I expect to see all you musicians
telling other musicians they don't need to be doing a tribute album on
you after 3 years now :}
ArPharazonV: well, it's always a compliment ;-)
VardaValar1: So you wouldn't mind? : )
Eonwe Valar: Bah, I'd tell them to get their own
sauron432000: can we talk about something I know
VardaValar1: We will start the meeting, hang on
Eonwe Valar: Do the musicians where you live not do
Eonwe Valar: Or are you not big on music?
ArPharazonV: luckily, I'm not a musician, but if I
was, I'm not sure whether I'd like tributes...
ArPharazonV: on the one hand, it's a compliment to
our own fame and music
ArPharazonV: on the other hand, it's basically
parasiting on our succes
sauron432000: Ther's not much of a band here and
yeah I am not big on music. I only like soft music!
VardaValar1: What would you call soft music?
ArPharazonV: whistling? ;-)
Eonwe Valar: Pat Benatar? :}
VardaValar1: That could be a flute. Merry-V plays
several of those
Eonwe Valar: She does some soft stuff if memory
sauron432000: the Indian movie songs. They have 5
songs in every movie. I like two them!
ArPharazonV: but true, soft music can be very
good... it's not all metal and rock that makes the world go round
Eonwe Valar: Savage Garden has some soft stuff.
VardaValar1: Background for LotR movies : )
Eonwe Valar: I listen to almost anything but
Country and Rap :}
VardaValar1: And you from Dallas!
VardaValar1: I will pass on rap too
ArPharazonV: whenever I go styledancing, I'm there
just as much for the music as for the dancing... and that's mostly soft
FallenGlory has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar: for those who need a reference:
Country = Garth Brooks and the Dixie Chicks, Rap = Snoop Dogg and
ArPharazonV: nothing better than just sitting back
and letting the music flow over you...
sauron432000: okay the meeting's about to start
(Officially at least!)8-)
VardaValar1: 27 minutes ago
VardaValar1: Starting : )
VardaValar1: (But you can chat music in a side
VardaValar1: Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo!
VardaValar1: Membership News:
sauron432000: Talking about official real
earth-down start of the meeting!
sauron432000: Isn't that what frodo said to the
VardaValar1: yes, Gildor Inglorion
VardaValar1: Please take chat to side windows
during the main meeting
Eonwe Valar: A star shines on the hour of our
VardaValar1: Please tell the chair in a side window
if you have something you want to add so we can call on all and leave
sauron432000: no nothing else!
VardaValar1: We have many active side windows : )
sauron432000: let's get on with it!
VardaValar1: Please quiet, Barahir
VardaValar1: Membership News:
VardaValar1: We have no new members this week,
although interest has been expressed
would like to formally rejoin
VardaValar1: His membership lapsed for the first
time in a very great many years due to a problem with Hotmail
VardaValar1: It may have happened to some others as
VardaValar1: Ugluk just messaged me! Just speak of
Ugluk of Old has entered the room.
VardaValar1: He is asking for a test, so we may
have a couple of us pull out soon
VardaValar1: Aiya Orc :-)
VardaValar1: Now that's a name : )
VardaValar1: We are currently in Membership news
VardaValar1: Does anyone have any further member
VardaValar1: Caranthir and Elladan sent word
Ugluk of Old: Ha Ha ....I'm still agreenie monster
bnetValar: Alasseo (IRC): I'm back..AIM borked.
VardaValar1: After Hurricane Rita, they are
together now in Baton Rouge, Louisiana
VardaValar1: ouch Orodreth!
VardaValar1: They can't make most meetings as they
have makeup school at meeting time
VardaValar1: Any other member news?
VardaValar1: Web News:
VardaValar1: Eonwe, I believe you had some web news?
Eonwe Valar: Gaming news.
VardaValar1: No Games page then?
VardaValar1: Shall we nudge a few people for
updates on their games? : )
Ugluk of Old: Just like to Say hello to
everyone...it's been a long time :-) ...I can't stay for long
Eonwe Valar: No, nothing new on the Games Page
since the Update.
Eonwe Valar: Aye, send in your gaming info, and
make sure it's correct on the Games Page.
VardaValar1: It needs to be emailed to Eonwe, or if
you send it to me, I will forward it
VardaValar1: Those here already noticed the time
change, kudos to you!
VardaValar1: Links Page:
ArPharazonV: heh, it happened in Europe too, so no
Fellowship of the Ring if it had used World of WarCraft terms.
The link to this .gif is originally from expectnothing.com, found by
Meriadoc-(V) on the WoW forum and sent to us Oct 23. Some language
VardaValar1: Story Page:
Battle of the Crossing of Poros
VardaValar1: It's up through chapter 5 as of a few
minutes before the meeting
VardaValar1: It's still undergoing a minor rewrite,
but you can look at it now if you like
VardaValar1: It's still incomplete, not all the
chapters are up
VardaValar1: but it's going up fast!
VardaValar1: Barahir is here with us. What got you
started writing on this subject, Barahir?
sauron432000: sry I was afk there!
sauron432000: Well, I warn you now. I drone when
asked to speak!
VardaValar1: Luckily we supply our own inflections
sauron432000: I wanted to write a story about
something in lotr but it had to be about a battle!I wanted a battle
with some minor references so I could expand it aftermy fashion but I
wrote two mystery stories before it!
VardaValar1: Now you have to write an LotR mystery
sauron432000: I went through the timeline for the
zillionth time and what do I find? Just he lil mention about hte battle
of the crossingts of the Poros and Voila! you got my story!
VardaValar1: Thank you
sauron432000: I made too many mistakes in that
story, its full of mistakes. I am very incomptetent, I agree (not
VardaValar1: Since this is your first meeting since
joining, you get to "say a few words" to introduce yourself, why you
joined, where you're from
VardaValar1: It is in a second language for you,
to drone again!)
sauron432000: it may be second language in your
opinion but it my first language whatever nayone says. English is so
coool! Its has only 26 alphabets and great complex grammatical
ArPharazonV: where are you from, Barahir?
ArPharazonV: probably not Western Europe or US
sauron432000: India. Chennai, East Coast. A stupis
hot city where hope decieves you!
VardaValar1: But the fireworks are good? : )
sauron432000: You have'nt seen nuttun yet till
tuesday, it might be on the news. But bad time for Delhi though!
VardaValar1: You guys have been having pretty
fierce weather lately too?
sauron432000: I joined cuz I always wanted to join
a tolkien group and do tolkien things.
VardaValar1: You're in the right place : )
sauron432000: Well weather annoyed coming in time
of the quiz. Yes, you must have heard about the great floods of
Maharashtra, Karnatka and Tamil Nadu!
sauron432000: (talking too much)
VardaValar1: Not yet
Ugluk of Old: Sorry I can't stay everyone...just
thought I'd drop by. Hope to stay longer next time :-) ... Namarie
VardaValar1: I'll sit on you if you do
VardaValar1: Thanks for coming. Maybe later this
evening : )
ArPharazonV: Namarie, Ugluk
Ugluk of Old has left the room.
sauron432000: Cool, Ugluk is the first one I said
VardaValar1: : )
VardaValar1: got him added
VardaValar1: So you found us how?
sauron432000: I was researching about the Fall of
Gondolin, I fount a small reference in UT. I searched the internet and
what do I find? Nothing but a lil link to Eonwe's Paper on the Fall of
Gondolin nad nice reflection of the fall by u, Eonwe!
VardaValar1: Actually, that was the previous Eonwe.
This Eonwe did a lot of other articles though
LouieKisKowsKi has entered the room.
sauron432000: Then this Eonwe not that Eonwe!
VardaValar1: Aiya Elros
ArPharazonV: for the Fall of Gondolin, I'd suggest
reading the second part of the series "The History of Middle-Earth"
LouieKisKowsKi: aiya everyone
ArPharazonV: it's one of the oldest texts in the
history of Tolkien's world, but it's the best thing there is ;-)
LouieKisKowsKi: The fall of gondolin is one of the
best stories with lots of intricacy as well
sauron432000: I can never get them. You don't how
hard it was for me to get Sil. and Ut and Particularly the Hobbit! Sry
if I do too many mistakes!
VardaValar1: You can't order online?
VardaValar1: We hope the Encyc gives you some help
LouieKisKowsKi: online you can always get them
LouieKisKowsKi: and at like Barnes and noble
VardaValar1: He's in India, sometimes tricky
sauron432000: zat's a laugh. Order from US, the
bill would skyrocket! The average Indian has three times smaller
purchasing capacity than an American or Brit!
ArPharazonV: India, eh? Not affected by the
earthquake or its consequences, I hope?
LouieKisKowsKi: I was unaware sauron i apologize
VardaValar1: Yes he was
sauron432000: You kidding Nuttun Nothing can shake
Chennai neither a stupid earthquake or a tsunami or a mere hurricane.
There has'nt been a hurricane for over 50 years. Kasmir and Gujarat get
earthquake, Orissa gets flood. TN get no rain plenty.
VardaValar1: Your power was out about 10 hours and
schools cancelled though
sauron432000: TN stands for Tamil Nadu, the state
in whose Capital I live in!
ArPharazonV: I see
sauron432000: That was just a exception, there is
first and last time for everything and that was it for rain in Chennai!
sauron432000: What in Heaven....WAIT!
ArPharazonV: wow, India does have a lot of
different climatic systems, doesn't it? not like our small country on
the westcoast of Europe...
sauron432000: I don't believe it!
ArPharazonV: it's raining?
VardaValar1: Phar, it would help to just say your
country. He can't know all of the ones we are in.
sauron432000: ITs raining, drizziling yes but still
VardaValar1: Congrats, Barahir : )
sauron432000: jus wanted to ask that. Thanks Varda!
ArPharazonV: hehe... how many small countries on
the westcoast of Europe are there... but yes, I live in the Netherlands
sauron432000: Belgium and France and Spain are all
small countries too!
sauron432000: Phar, you and Orion ever met
ArPharazonV: haha... compared to India, yes, but us
and Belgium are small even compared to France and Spain..
VardaValar1: Menelvagor is a full constellation,
sauron432000: Menevalgor, that constellation is
Orion in the real world. U know the cons with a bright belt like thingy!
sauron432000: Varda fast!
ArPharazonV: oh, right
ArPharazonV: no, I don't think I've ever seen him
in real life...
VardaValar1: Too much coffee
sauron432000: its raining big time and I woke up at
2.30 and heard nuttun!
ArPharazonV: I've seen his picture on msn, and he's
been in the relative neighbourhood several times that I know of, but
haven't actually met him
sauron432000: Phar, you live in Amsterdam?
ArPharazonV: no, a little bit to the south of that,
Menelvagor Valar: nope, some town more south :-)
sauron432000: hi mene!
Menelvagor Valar: not too near Leiden Phar :-)
Menelvagor Valar: hey.
VardaValar1: We don't have to tell towns unless we
want to, because it helps identify us to strangers reading the
Menelvagor Valar: sorry, just checking in once in a
while, got some important schoolwork to finish for tomorrow.
VardaValar1: Good for you, Menel : )
VardaValar1: Menel and Phar play a lot of WoW
together though, and come to these meetings a lot
LouieKisKowsKi: i have to go acrually as well
VardaValar1: Bye Elros!
Menelvagor Valar: not really, I had an entire week
to finish it, but I chose the last possible hours to do it *grin*
ArPharazonV: well, it's the closest city near us...
if we're not near Leiden, we're really in the middle of nowhere
Menelvagor Valar: that you are, Phar, that you are
sauron432000: but mene ur 24 right? You got no
school or is it college or university!
ArPharazonV: that's the spirit, Menel! You start to
remind me of me!
Menelvagor Valar: college
ArPharazonV: putting things off to the last
Menelvagor Valar: college is more wicked on these
things than school is.
LouieKisKowsKi has left the room.
sauron432000: Namarie! (too late!)
Menelvagor Valar: you have absolutely zero leverage
when it comes down to handing in dates.
ArPharazonV: yup, and since my work-attitude still
lingers in the past of school, it's gotten me into a lot more trouble
that it would have in the old days...
ArPharazonV: *than it would have
sauron432000: rain going to stop!
Menelvagor Valar: oh, it doesn't matter whether it
rains, the sun is shining, whether there's a hurricane or a blizzard,
when you gotta hand in your report, you gotta hand in your report.
ArPharazonV: through rain or snow, yup
Menelvagor Valar: of course, hurricanes over here
tend to be a slight tad bit less powerful than the ones in the States
ArPharazonV: I have a thorough disliking of
sauron432000: Not me! I don't do any work if the
teachers don't set me any work!
sauron432000: without a deadline I mean!:-)
Menelvagor Valar: well, that´s the difference
ArPharazonV: neither do I, but that doesn't mean I
like doing the work they give me before the deadline they give me
Menelvagor Valar: you´ve got half a dozen
deadlines which the teachers didn´t set, but are there
sauron432000: zat's the student spirit!
Menelvagor Valar: the student spirit is more like
`I´ll get the work done after a week of partying and trying to
crawl home drunk as a lord`
VardaValar1: Sorry, off in side windows : )
ArPharazonV: replace the partying and crawling home
drunk with watching tv and playing WoW, and you've got me
VardaValar1: Do we have any further web news?
VardaValar1: WoW sounds better : )
sauron432000: well I meant playing and watchin TV
and reading all day and finishing the work in the nick of Time. I do
ArPharazonV: of course, after that week I still
don't get any work done...
VardaValar1: Phar, do you have any web news? : )
VardaValar1: Menel, how about your WoW page?
ArPharazonV: web news? well, a bit of hybrid
VardaValar1: no, your web page for this section
VardaValar1: Let's get this meeting going
sauron432000: (I am going to go quiet till Varda
reaches tolkien topic!)
which many of you already know, has gotten a complete makeover...
unfortunately it seems to be unavailable at the moment
VardaValar1: Go to side windows, and chat yourself
crazy : )
ArPharazonV: but personal web news? no, haven't got
any webspace of my own
VardaValar1: Menel, had a chance to add anything?
VardaValar1: Menel may be back to homework
VardaValar1: I need to update the WoW Lothar
players page from my jotted notes, hope to do so soon
VardaValar1: I'm also working on the info Gilraen
sent in to show member activity
VardaValar1: Counts towards your Maia honor
ArPharazonV: ah, to have discipline and embrace the
responsibility like that... I envy you, Varda
VardaValar1: You learn it by hard knocks : )
VardaValar1: Or really wanting something
VardaValar1: Two best ways I know.
ArPharazonV: so far, hard knocks have done nothing
to actually improve my work-ethic... they just get me into deeper
trouble for the current one
VardaValar1: Then figure out what you really care
about and use it
VardaValar1: For school, I used to wonder why a
person would devote his life to that subject, then I would become
interested in it.
VardaValar1: Don't know if that would help you.
VardaValar1: I was summa cum laude that way, so
it's not a bad technique
ArPharazonV: heh, when you apply that to education
etc, I really have no idea what I want exactly... I steer in the
general direction, but I really know too little of my wishes and dreams
to use it for motivation
VardaValar1: Read outside of the subject, keeps it
from being dry.
VardaValar1: ok, onwards!
ArPharazonV: indeed, onwards
VardaValar1: It has clocks on the bottom that help
figure time all around the world and include EST
VardaValar1: They can help with nasty things like
Daylight Savings Time
VardaValar1: I updated my Netscape Browser and
can't read his member info on either Explorer or Netscape.
VardaValar1: He told me it was in my settings, and
I hope to find the problem eventually.
VardaValar1: Gaming News:
VardaValar1: Eonwe, you had Gaming news?
Eonwe Valar: Yes I did :}
ArPharazonV: *holds back cheer*
Nemoeverlonely has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya Herumor : )
Eonwe Valar: As some of you may know, Blizzcon, Blizzard's brand new
gaming convention, started on the 28th.
Eonwe Valar: One of the things announced at their
first annual convention was the title of World of Warcraft's upcoming Expansion Pack: The Burning Crusade.
ArPharazonV: *releases cheer aimed at Burning
FarmerMaggotV: fortunately no mention of Diablo 3 being
a MMORPG =)
Nemoeverlonely: Thank the powers for small favors..
Eonwe Valar: They've also released some information
on the new Expansion pack at the Expansion's site of http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/burningcru
sauron432000: diablo 3?
ArPharazonV: I'm so looking forward to the Burning
Crusade... already have the new wallpaper on my desktop ;-)
Eonwe Valar: The new race for the Horde will be
Eonwe Valar: They haven't announced the race for
Alliance, but I'm willing to bet it won't be High Elves now :}
ArPharazonV: well, discussions are greatening
within our guild-chat... so far we're hoping for Pandaren :-D
Eonwe Valar: My brother would love that :}
VardaValar1: Didn't they announce level 70?
Eonwe Valar: They'e also planning on a new crafting
ArPharazonV: I also launched the idea of a yellow
dragonflight consisting of halfdragons ;-)
Eonwe Valar: Aye, there's also an increased the
level cap to 70
bnetValar: Alasseo (IRC): Bugger Wo
bnetValar: Alasseo (IRC): W
bnetValar: Alasseo (IRC): I want Starcraft 2!
Menelvagor Valar: I think I missed something.
VardaValar1: Now that is good news.
bnetValar: Alasseo (IRC): *channels the spirit of
Eonwe Valar: Jewelcrafting may become one of my
VardaValar1: Raynor, my favorite guy in SC/BW : )
VardaValar1: Will we be allowed to add a profession
to what we have?
Eonwe Valar: (I liked Tassadar :})
ArPharazonV: I already know that whatever the new
race is, I'm gonna give him jewelcrafting...
Eonwe Valar: Probably not
VardaValar1: He was cool too, Eonwe
VardaValar1: And add more slots to the account to
cover new races : )
Eonwe Valar: Let's not get into Starcraft please :}
Eonwe Valar: Would be nice, aye Varda
Menelvagor Valar: In Starcraft nothing owns a Zerg
ArPharazonV: what was the name of that orange
VardaValar1: What Eonwe said
Eonwe Valar: They've got some screenshots and
Artwork on the WoW:BC page (There, I coined the abbreviation :})
Eonwe Valar: The Artwork is quite nice, and set one
of them as my desktop image :}
Eonwe Valar: *and I
Eonwe Valar: THe new continet added in the Burning
Crusade will be Outland, and accessed through the Dark Portal.
Eonwe Valar: They're also talking aobut flying
mounts in Outland.
Eonwe Valar: I'll elt you read the rest :}
Eonwe Valar: *let
VardaValar1: Definitely will do that!
Eonwe Valar: But yes, I am looking forward to it :}
ArPharazonV: I also heard more info, gained from
reviews of magazines, including instance-details
Eonwe Valar: And once more, here's the web site: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/burningcru
ArPharazonV: not sure if the info is true or not,
but it's a lot more than what's just on the website...
ArPharazonV: just too bad the forumthread was part
of the website I linked earlier, and which isn't working...
ArPharazonV: perhaps I'll give you the link next
VardaValar1: That would be something to look
ArPharazonV: hmm.. I just got into the forums...
maybe I can find the link for you tonight
VardaValar1: Let us know if you do
Lothar report available, Eonwe?
Eonwe Valar: Aye
Eonwe Valar: This week's questing was Me, Varda,
VardaValar1: (Thursday we had over a full party
Eonwe Valar: We went into Zul Farrak with my
Paladin, Varda's Hunter, and Arathorn's Rogue.
ArPharazonV: that's the one, even has links to the
Eonwe Valar: We were going after the Divino-Matic
Rod and Nekrum's Medallion, and completed the Scarab Shells and Troll
Tempers quests on the way.
Nemoeverlonely: I've lost my copy of diablo and
Eonwe Valar: We got to the temple where Bly and his
buddies were being held, and fought well for some time, until all of a
sudden very large groups started coming up. We were holding them off
barely, but after a while
Eonwe Valar: we couldn't hold them back and they
Eonwe Valar: We were pulling in a fourth person
(Draxcil/Beline) to try again, but when we got back there, the whole
thing looked buggy.
Nemoeverlonely: sorry to be constantly adverse to
the current subject, err..but does anyone here play age of wonders II: shadow magic, or Stronghold?
Eonwe Valar: So we just called it a night there.
sauron432000: its 5.15 here!
Eonwe Valar: That concludes the Weekly Questing
report from me.
Menelvagor Valar: Eonwe, did you have a healer and
a mage of some reputation with you=
VardaValar1: Thank you, Eonwe
VardaValar1: Neither, Menel
VardaValar1: Two paladins though
Menelvagor Valar: that might explain it a little
VardaValar1: We know
VardaValar1: We just wanted to try it : )
Menelvagor Valar: hehe
Menelvagor Valar: nothing wrong with that, but
having a 60 mage blizzarding his bottoms off helps a great deal.
VardaValar1: Been a long time since I've been in
ZF. Kinda fun
VardaValar1: Tell the other guildies to show up
late Friday and we can : )
Menelvagor Valar: of course, Multi-Shot on a hunter
might help a bit too.
VardaValar1: Don't try Volley
Menelvagor Valar: hey, I show up late friday.
VardaValar1: Brings them all to you
VardaValar1: Not on Lothar : )
Menelvagor Valar: unfortunately, that is the time
when Garr, Geddon and Shazzra are being beaten on Argent Dawn :-D
VardaValar1: You guys could have a Valar Friday in
Europe too! : )
VardaValar1: Do you have your WoW Europe report?
Menelvagor Valar: which remind me, how was it
friday after the third guy Phar?
ArPharazonV: after the third guy? that was...
Menelvagor Valar: well, information has not been
really forthcoming since I resigned the AD group
Menelvagor Valar: Henny, yup
ArPharazonV: I got to offtank one of Garr's adds!
Menelvagor Valar: Wooohooo!
ArPharazonV: did good too, never lost aggro
Menelvagor Valar: go Druid tanking power!
ArPharazonV: Geddon went good, got him in one try
Menelvagor Valar: too bad we wipped on henny.
Menelvagor Valar: wiped*
ArPharazonV: Shazzrah.... well, the firelords in
the area were respawning by then, so we wiped once there too (luckily
there were soulstoners)
ArPharazonV: so we waited for the adds, killed
them, then went back to the second try
ArPharazonV: and got him good!
Menelvagor Valar: great!
Menelvagor Valar: on saturday we also subdued
Majordomo, the 2nd in command in Molten Core
ArPharazonV: how did Ragnaros go?
Menelvagor Valar: he´s a really big wimp and
surrendered after we beat down his minions.
Menelvagor Valar: and with really big, I mean
Nemoeverlonely: It was nice seeing you guys, but I
need to get off here and get some supper, I will try to see you all
VardaValar1: Bon appetit, Herumor : )
ArPharazonV: goodbye, ....who were you again?
ArPharazonV: ah, Herumor
Menelvagor Valar: bon appetit and namarie
Nemoeverlonely has left the room.
Menelvagor Valar: didn´t go for Raggie
ArPharazonV: ah, allright
Menelvagor Valar: I might even say I saved the day
on Major *grin*
ArPharazonV: you just bolted after Major was down...
Menelvagor Valar: they were short on mages
Menelvagor Valar: wonders do happen...
VardaValar1: Report done? : )
Menelvagor Valar: so when I logged in on my rogue
(now 40!) to get a couple minutes of playtime, I was prompted to get in
there and help out sheep one of the adds.
Menelvagor Valar: eek, long time lol
VardaValar1: Any other games played this week? Just
VardaValar1: This can be from anyone.
ArPharazonV: oh, BWL was fun too, were you there,
Menelvagor Valar: this was more or less our MC
Menelvagor Valar: nope.
Menelvagor Valar: will get there with Echo though.
ArPharazonV: well, we learned a lot of new
things... after wiping about 3 ours on Razorgore
Menelvagor Valar: anyways, back to homework, still
got some stuff to finish off.
ArPharazonV: we didn't achieve one bit, but the fun
we had... amazing
VardaValar1: Not everyone here plays WoW, so we
would rather not have it take too much meeting space.
VardaValar1: The fun is the purpose, aye : )
ArPharazonV: ok, moving on then :-)
VardaValar1: That was us in ZF : )
VardaValar1: So no one played any games this week
other than WoW?
VardaValar1: I will take any topics you have, but
our current one is:
against hopeless odds in Tolkien's works.
VardaValar1: This can be any Tolkien book.
VardaValar1: Examples from anyone?
sauron432000: the defense of the hornburg against
sauron432000: the defens of Minas Tirith against
ArPharazonV: Beren and Luthien against Morgoth's
Arwen V1: drat, I cant remember if it happened in
the book like it did in the movie, but Faramir going back to fight at
Eonwe Valar: The Wars of Beleriand
ArPharazonV: Finwe standing up to Melkor
ArPharazonV: yes, Faramir did go back to take back
Osgiliath... is that what you meant?
VardaValar1: Arwen, Faramir did go to fight
hopeless odds at Osgiliath, just not quite like that.
sauron432000: what about the attack on the
Morannon, even gandalf said that was hopeless!
bnetValar: Alasseo (IRC): This time my net borked.
I'm back now.
VardaValar1: The Wars of Beleriand, that covered a
lot : )
ArPharazonV: yup, the battle of the black gate was
VardaValar1: Welcome back, Orodreth, against
Eonwe Valar: I thought it would :}
ArPharazonV: they would've lost too, if Frodo
didn't destroy the Ring
VardaValar1: Frodo carrying the Ring to Orodruin
VardaValar1: Sam having any luck with Rosie *oops*
sauron432000: zats not a battle!
VardaValar1: Says you ; )
ArPharazonV: how about Gollum tracking the powerful
Fellowship in search for the Ring? is that bravery against hopeless
Eonwe Valar: The Battle at Losgar when Morgoth
launched a surprise attack as Fëanor and his sons had just landed.
VardaValar1: Aye, it is
sauron432000: and are'nt we supposed to talk about
whether fleeing is cowardly or not!?
VardaValar1: This is examples of bravery against
VardaValar1: The Nordic courage that Tolkien was
VardaValar1: Hurin swinging out against the enemy
to let his elf friends escape, though he would die
MrMonkey2002Blah has left the room.
VardaValar1: He was "only" captured and made to see
his family destroyed, but you know what I mean.
ArPharazonV: how about the last march of the ents?
not exactly hopeless at the time, but when they set out, they didn't
know Isengard was empty
sauron432000: and what about Gandalf and the
VardaValar1: Fangorn expected it to be the last
march of the Ents, aye
VardaValar1: Gandalf was already tired
VardaValar1: Gandalf did not know he would have a
chance to be reborn
sauron432000: and what about fingy and morgoth1 but
he was fey at that time!
VardaValar1: How about the Fellowship trying to go
VardaValar1: but glorious : )
sauron432000: zats sheer desperation!
VardaValar1: Morgoth had to live with those wounds
ArPharazonV: how about the Fellowship trying to
cross the pass of Caradhras?
sauron432000: zat was desperation again!
ArPharazonV: not really, moria was more desperation
than Caradhras :-)
VardaValar1: Aye : )
sauron432000: I wonder if fingy's sword prevented
Monster Heal like in Diablo II?
sauron432000: are'nt we supposed to talk about
whether fleeing is cowardly or not!?
VardaValar1: So we can see this idea presented as a
good thing over and over in Tolkien's mythology
VardaValar1: What did that have to do with the
sauron432000: I dunno!
VardaValar1: The Nordic idea was to continue
fighting no matter what, not to run
ArPharazonV: presented over and over and over and
ArPharazonV: some call it repeatable acts of glory
and bravery.... but it can look like a bit godmody sometimes
ArPharazonV: remember, of all the 9 fellowship,
only 1 (permanently) died
ArPharazonV: considering all the hardships they
went through in their journeys, that can surely be called a miracle
Eonwe Valar: actually, Merry, Pippin, and Aragorn
all died eventually.
sauron432000: Well I think that if it is really
thinnk If its hopeless the army should flee and live to fight another
day like in the Nirnaeth or the Battle of Morannon by King Ondoher!
That prevented disaster!
ArPharazonV: yes, of old age
ArPharazonV: but you get my point
Glorfindel VG has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Legolas did not die, but he was hit
with the Sea-longing and could never inherit. He lost a bright future
sauron432000: has anyone ofyou got Sea-longing ?
Ihave. I really like the sea. We have the second longest beach here!.
sauron432000: but I dunno swimming!
ArPharazonV: Gimli and Legolas each took out like
40 orcs at Helm's Deep, each.... are we really supposed to believe
they're that much more powerful? or is it luck too that has kept them
VardaValar1: So some took injuries that might not
ArPharazonV: sometimes the victory against hopeless
odds seems a bit unrealistic..
VardaValar1: If they had not survived, they would
not be in the book
sauron432000: but it always happens in Lotr!
VardaValar1: All those sorts are just a name in a
list at the end of the battle
sauron432000: the hornbur,pelennor nad the morannon
all sheer victories against odds!
Glorfindel VG has left the room.
sauron432000: well, silent!
Eonwe Valar: Leaders/Kings are supposed to be among
the best warriors of the people.
ArPharazonV: true, but I would say, that if the
peoples of Mirkwood and Erebor were half as powerful as their
representatives in the Fellowship, they would have easily overwhelmed
VardaValar1: Gollum went against hopeless odds and
Eonwe Valar: *their\
VardaValar1: Boromir went against hopeless odds and
VardaValar1: Gandalf went against hopeless odds and
died. Reborn later, but he died
sauron432000: sacrifice the few to save the few to
save the many!
VardaValar1: Frodo was injured physically and
mentally and wound up taking a boat to Valinor
VardaValar1: Almost all the elves lost their lands
ArPharazonV: yet Frodo and Sam survived, Merry and
Pippin survived, Aragorn survived (out of the countless arrows aimed at
him, how could he still be alive?)
sauron432000: power of the author!
Srekal86: I don't know about losing their land, are
VardaValar1: People do survive battles or I would
not have any family : )
Eonwe Valar: Gimli did take an injury during the
battle in the Caves at Helm's Deep if memory serves.
VardaValar1: The elves whose lands were protected
by Rings lost them
ArPharazonV: yes, a gash in his forehead
ArPharazonV: that orc must have had bad aim
Eonwe Valar: Merry took an Injury
VardaValar1: Lothlorien was almost cleared after
Eonwe Valar: Pippin took an injury
VardaValar1: Merry had a scar the rest of his life
on his head
VardaValar1: Pippin nearly died on the Pelennor
sauron432000: have we ever discussed do balrogs
have wings or not?
ArPharazonV: the only orcs even capable of hitting
Merry and Gimli, don't seem to have the strength to do more than a
VardaValar1: So you guys think that the whole
Fellowship should die to be realistic?
VardaValar1: They weren't really trying to kill
Merry, but to capture him
sauron432000: well yes and no,
ArPharazonV: against those odds, yes
VardaValar1: People do survive battles against
ArPharazonV: unless Orcs are extremely weak and
VardaValar1: They were not the only targets or even
the most important
sauron432000: But they all survived because they
had the favour....
VardaValar1: Favor helps
Eonwe Valar: So, it's ok for "someone" to be
watching over Frodo and guiding his steps, but not anyone else in the
sauron432000: the favour of the author!
VardaValar1: The Valar were operating. Gandalf told
us of it
ArPharazonV: pitch 100 orcs against 9
fellowshippers, and the fellowship comes out alive with the orcs all
dead... it just seems a little...
Eonwe Valar: Frodo was "meant" to find the Ring.
Why can't there be something the rest of the Fellowship was "meant" to
do before they died?
VardaValar1: Bilbo was "meant' to find the Ring
Eonwe Valar: er, Frodo was "meant" to inherit the
VardaValar1: The elf and dwarf were meant to patch
up a long hatred between their peoples, and bring them into friendship
sauron432000: and gandalf was "meant"to guide them
Glorfindel VG has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Gandalf was sent
VardaValar1: Welcome back : )
Menelvagor Valar: woohoo
Glorfindel VG: thanks my pc seems to be having a
VardaValar1: 4 of 5 sent to help didn't do their job
ArPharazonV: so the Orcs were all "meant" to die
although they have overwhelming odds? that seems a little cruel...
VardaValar1: of the Istari
Menelvagor Valar: almost done!
ArPharazonV: grats, Menel
Eonwe Valar: Heroes/Leaders/Kings are supposed to
represent the best of their people.
VardaValar1: The Orcs were not meant to die. They
could have run off and been groups of bandits : )
Eonwe Valar: Fëanor stood against 7 Balrogs.
Fingolfin stood against Morgoth.
Menelvagor Valar: and be killed later for banditry
VardaValar1: If the heroes were not the best, why
did the Valar choose them for the Fellowship?
sauron432000: they were meant to die by the author!
ArPharazonV: and they both died, Eonwe
Eonwe Valar: Turin stood against Ancalagon.
Eonwe Valar: er, Glaurung.
sauron432000: no aginst glaurung
Eonwe Valar: Don't ask where that came from :}
VardaValar1: *grabbing a plate of supper and will
be back in a jiffy*
ArPharazonV: well, I believe he will face Ancalagon
at the Final Battle...
sauron432000: Earendil stood against Ancalagon!
Menelvagor Valar: because Ancalagon was the first
as was Glaurung, except Anca had wings=
VardaValar1: (Orcs were an abomination, not meant
sauron432000: not stood actually
ArPharazonV: he flew!
ArPharazonV: together with a flock of birds
sauron432000: well tell that to morgoth, he was
Menelvagor Valar: Earendil flew against Ancie, on
his beloved ship, and now hallowed vessel of the Silmaril, Vingilot.
sauron432000: you call thorondor a flock of birds?
sauron432000: ancie? (zat funny)
ArPharazonV: was Thorondor actually there? don't
recall that detail
ArPharazonV: hey, you're the one who keeps calling
Fingolfin "Fingy" :P
sauron432000: it say that thorondor was head of
bird gaurd and the gaurd was there during batle!
Eonwe Valar: And abouty Fëanor and Fingolfin,
they died fighting creatures of a greater nature than they. That they
stood against them as well as they did is a testament to their strength
and prowess as warriors.
sauron432000: but ancie too funny!
Menelvagor Valar: Quote time!
ArPharazonV: Thorondor or not, eagles are still
Menelvagor Valar: on the last moments of Morgoth,
and when Earendil entered the war of wrath!
ArPharazonV: nothing inherently wrong with me
calling it a flock of birds ;-)
Menelvagor Valar: so, be quiet will you?
maybe victorious on the fields of Pelennor for a day but against the
power that is arising there can be no victory--- zat my fav
Eonwe Valar: Fingon was slain only because a Balrog
came up behind him when he was fighting Gothmog.
sauron432000: he still lost!
Menelvagor Valar: But
Earendil came, shining with white flame, and about Vingilot gathered
all the great birds of heaven and Thorondor was their captain, and
there was battle in the air all the day and through a dark night of
sauron432000: told ya!
ArPharazonV: ah, allright
ArPharazonV: just said I didn't recall the detail,
I didn't say he wasn't there
VardaValar1: back scrolling
sauron432000: i didn't say so, I only told I said so
Menelvagor Valar: Before
the rising of the sun Earendil slew Ancalagon the Black, the mightiest
of the dragon/host, and cast him from the sky; and he fell upon the
towers of Thangorodrim, and they were broken in his ruin.
Menelvagor Valar: end quote
Menelvagor Valar: Phar was also right, it was not
just Thorondor, there.
sauron432000: thanks menel
ArPharazonV: oh, btw, a link I just found: http://news.softpedia.com/news/World-of-
Menelvagor Valar: There were ALL the birds of
heaven, and Thorondor was their captain.
ArPharazonV: don't know its source, but it's pretty
interesting for lore-likers like me
sauron432000: he was doubtful wether thory ws there
Menelvagor Valar: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/burningcru
Menelvagor Valar: how about there, Phar=
ArPharazonV: yes, Menel, but I have yet to find the
info in my link on that site
Eonwe Valar: already gave that one, Menel, and aye,
there's lore there as well.
Eonwe Valar: but back to the Tolkien topic
Menelvagor Valar: okies, here´s the euro one
then *grin* http://www.wow-europe.com/en/burningcru
VardaValar1: Unless you're ready for the next
Tolkien topic : )
sauron432000: well I think that fighting against
odds is stupid and is better to flee and fight for another day!
VardaValar1: But that's not how Tolkien thought
sauron432000: can we havbe ineresting one?
VardaValar1: You think the other was not?
sauron432000: no, just a little bit!
VardaValar1: Ok, here's another
sauron432000: but I think choice and submission
VardaValar1: that's it
sauron432000: is a little too soft
VardaValar1: Then you do not understand
offered choice and who offered only submission?
sauron432000: what I do not understand I will never
Eonwe Valar: The problem is, Barahir, that there
was no fighting another day
VardaValar1: We work here to understand, not to
VardaValar1: Aye, Eonwe
sauron432000: well there was for Turgon and
warriors of King Ondoher
VardaValar1: It was then or never
Eonwe Valar: The choice was to fight Sauron now
united, or to fall as Sauron took them out one by one.
VardaValar1: Hurin could have left the elves of
Gondolin to die instead
Glorfindel VG has left the room.
Eonwe Valar: Same with Morgoth. Morgoth took each
kingdom of the Noldor out one-by one until the only 2 left were
Gondolin and Nargothrond.
VardaValar1: He chose to let them live rather than
himself. It was a choice between them or him and his men
sauron432000: the fellowship fled several times. in
Moria, Caradhras and fought many more days.
Eonwe Valar: The fellowship were not sent out to
VardaValar1: They always attempted to go forward
VardaValar1: When they hit a block, they looked for
a way around
sauron432000: what about the armies in thebattles
of thefords o Isen they fled and fought in the hornburg again!
sauron432000: its 6 am here and beautiful sunlight
si coming thru the window!
VardaValar1: 6:32 pm here : )
VardaValar1: Opposite sides of the world indeed :-)
ArPharazonV: I have to go, actually
ArPharazonV: new schedule for classes, starting
VardaValar1: Namarie, Pharazon!
sauron432000: mee too. My dad might wake!
ArPharazonV: no longer Mondays off
VardaValar1: uh oh
sauron432000: I got a monday of today!
VardaValar1: Less Phar for us
ArPharazonV: yup yup
ArPharazonV: I'll save and send now
sauron432000: Its Monda here. We Indains are ahead
of you in time. a day early. What a drag!
sauron432000: bye! Namrie to all and read my story
and read the mystery story at openfiction pla and be a critic about it
sauron432000 has left the room.
VardaValar1: Thanks Phar
VardaValar1: Shall we play with 'too soft' subject?
VardaValar1: All afk?
ArPharazonV: it is sent
VardaValar1: Then I declare "After-meeting"!
VardaValar1: Thank you
Srekal86: /me isnt afk
FarmerMaggotV: I'm not!
VardaValar1: Nice to hear from you : )
ArPharazonV: I gotta go now, and who knows... you
might have convinced me to continue the Mendara-story, Varda ;-)
VardaValar1: Or another : )
VardaValar1: Sleep well!
ArPharazonV: thank you
VardaValar1: I'll do this backlog of webwork and
see if Ugluk manages to install AIM on his home computer. : )
VardaValar1: You interested in any of the Tolkien
ArPharazonV has left the room.
FarmerMaggotV: been working
VardaValar1: I see it in my mail, Phar's report
VardaValar1: If anyone's interested in discussing
Tolkien or those topics we mentioned, I'm interested.
Srekal86: /me is too
Srekal86: hows the encyclopedia coming?
VardaValar1: Which one, Hyarion?
Eonwe Valar: What exactly is the "too soft" subject?
VardaValar1: Choice vs submission
Eonwe Valar: ah
Srekal86: VardaValar1: anything Tolkien.
VardaValar1: Barahir said it was too soft to talk
VardaValar1: And no one else said anything, so
figured all were afk, heh
VardaValar1: Who offered choice and who offered
VardaValar1: And how about Lothlorien in that mix?
VardaValar1: Far as the Encyc, today we've been
putting up Barahir's story
Eonwe Valar: The good guys offered Choice, the bad
guys offered Submission. Seems pretty cut and dry to me :}
VardaValar1: Was it cut and dry in Lothlorien?
Eonwe Valar: How did Lothlorien require submission?
VardaValar1: How did it allow choice?
Eonwe Valar: No elf there was forced to live there
last I checked.
VardaValar1: Same here : )
VardaValar1: Lothlorien had to stay the same, no
VardaValar1: As soon as change entered, the forest
and people began to wither
VardaValar1: Perhaps the subject of change would be
VardaValar1: The subjects of the various kingdoms
mostly were into submission to their leaders
VardaValar1: They had nowhere much to go
VardaValar1: True if elf or man or other
VardaValar1: Legolas and Gimli gave the greatest
changes for their people
VardaValar1: They made the first new colonies for
their people in a very long stagnant time
VardaValar1: Each colony was more in tune with the
humans around them
VardaValar1: The Glittering Caves were right there
with the Rohirrim
VardaValar1: The elves of Ithilien worked hard with
Faramir, Prince of Ithilien, and Aragorn, King of the Reunited Kingdom
VardaValar1: They were not isolated
VardaValar1: Rivendell lasted under Elrond's sons,
no longer immortal elves
VardaValar1: It had allowed traffic from other
Eonwe Valar: Where did you find that, Varda?
Eonwe Valar: about Rivendell?
VardaValar1: for a while
VardaValar1: Under the info on Elrond's sons,
appendix I think
VardaValar1: Celeborn went to stay with them for a
Menelvagor Valar: w00t!
Menelvagor Valar: finished!
VardaValar1: Then he took sail to Valinor, but they
did not seem to go with him
VardaValar1: Congrats, Menelvagor : )
VardaValar1: I would expect the twins would have
had visits with their foster brother in Gondor
VardaValar1: and with Legolas in Ithilien
VardaValar1: The visits would probably go both
ways, so Legolas would probably drag in Gimli : )
VardaValar1: The silvan elves continued to live
happily in their woods
VardaValar1: It does not say that Thranduil left
VardaValar1: Legolas might have been the link to
the silvans for the other kingdoms
VardaValar1: I think a major purpose of the
Fellowship was to win the peace, a tough thing to do!
VardaValar1: The fostering of Aragorn was a huge
part of it
VardaValar1: But I can hear myself think anytime.
VardaValar1: It wasn't all peace by a long shot
VardaValar1: Eomer and Aragorn often rode together
VardaValar1: No point in keeping the Bridge up any
longer tonight, Farmer
VardaValar1: Thanks for your hard work :-)
bnetValar has left the room.
VardaValar1: This place is dead
FarmerMaggotV: so it seems
Eonwe Valar: Sorry, working on other things, and
don't really have anything to add to this.
VardaValar1: Or another topic
VardaValar1: Mainly waiting for Ugluk : )
VardaValar1: Go ahead with whatever you're working
on, please : )
Eonwe Valar: Danke :}
VardaValar1: We seem to have lost our tangent
FarmerMaggotV has left the room.
Arwen V1: o.O
FallenGlory has left the room.
aranfinwe: sry bout afk'ness, busy at work
aranfinwe: thx :-)
VardaValar1: Good to hear. Maybe you'll make some
money : )
aranfinwe: at this job? not enough
VardaValar1: Never enough working for someone : )
aranfinwe: not so much never enough working so much
as never enough earning :-)
Menelvagor Valar: what´s going on around here?
VardaValar1: Ugluk is back, asking about retesting
aranfinwe: me still kinda busy w/ work
Menelvagor Valar: cool! :-)
Eonwe Valar: Btw, I'd like to point the MEO RP
contributors to my question of what fortifications to expect in the
Menelvagor Valar: I would have no idea.
Eonwe Valar: Should've done it earlier, but been
doing other things.
Menelvagor Valar: honestly not.
Eonwe Valar: Well, the Bree area was most
"fortified" than usual.
Eonwe Valar: *most = more
Eonwe Valar: They had a guard at the gate peering
through a peephole to check out incomers.
Eonwe Valar: bah, afk for a sec.
Menelvagor Valar: well, we might expect the dwarven
smithies to roar with the clamour of new made weaponry and armor
Menelvagor Valar: and the dwarves and men of dale
practicing just outside town.
VardaValar1: Aragorn climbed into Bree unchallenged
Menelvagor Valar: oh, one thing that needs to be
said on the news, concerning webwork!
VardaValar1: Nazgul rode in
VardaValar1: Aye, Menel?
Menelvagor Valar: Apparently the forum had an
option on which made new registrants be approved before they could
actually move about freely.
Menelvagor Valar: I have approved all the accounts
since this option was enabled (about 2 months ago!) and removed the
Menelvagor Valar: I have also written an apology to
those who have been waiting for all this time.
VardaValar1: I had one ask when he was going to be
approved and I didn't know what he was talking about!
Srekal86: oh well thats probably why there hasnt
been much activity
VardaValar1: Most activity is live in games or
here, not so much on the Forum
Menelvagor Valar: hasn´t been much activity
since the start :-)
Menelvagor Valar: the Valar Guild is like Ents, we
like to take our time doing things :-)
Menelvagor Valar: which you can surely see by the
time it takes for anyone to reply to this 8-)
VardaValar1: I already commented : )
VardaValar1: Most are afk looking in now and then.
Meeting is over. Just after-meeting now
Menelvagor Valar: I know
Menelvagor Valar: unfortunately, I am the most
active during after-meeting 8-)
Eonwe Valar: back
Ugluk of Old has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar: well, as much as I was ever here :}
VardaValar1: Glad to have you active, Menel : )
VardaValar1: Aiya Ugluk : )
Ugluk of Old: Ahhh... Greetings again :-)
Menelvagor Valar: Aiya Ugluk!
Menelvagor Valar: btw, Varda, what time is it?
VardaValar1: 8pm CST, 9pm EST
VardaValar1: See Members page for other time zones
Menelvagor Valar: ok, just checking if the clock
was reset for you too :-)
VardaValar1: See News for that :-)
Menelvagor Valar: Varda, you´re talking to
the very master of Time Zones *grins triumphantly*
VardaValar1: Then, O Master, you should know
Menelvagor Valar: not with DST
Menelvagor Valar: that always gets me
VardaValar1: I like to use the computer to handle
that confusion. : )
Menelvagor Valar: I forgot that.
Menelvagor Valar: my comp was an hour early today.
Menelvagor Valar: because I altered that one as
Menelvagor Valar: and since it is set to EST, it
tends to run an hour late for a couple days in spring :-\
Menelvagor Valar: anyways, bedtime for me.
Menelvagor Valar: Namarie everyone!
Ugluk of Old: So long Namarie
aranfinwe: for that matter, time for me to depart
as well, so namarie everyone
aranfinwe has left the room.
Menelvagor Valar: transcripts have been sent, in
EST as usual.
VardaValar1: Thank you, Menel : )
Menelvagor Valar: nighty night.
VardaValar1: We do respond about like Ents : )
Menelvagor Valar: only means we do things really
thoughtfully and carefully.
Menelvagor Valar: which is usually a good thing.
Menelvagor Valar: anyways, bye
Menelvagor Valar has left the room.
VardaValar1: Means we are multi-tasking
Arwen V1 has left the room.
VardaValar1: Ok, going to work with Ugluk and Eonwe
in another room : )
VardaValar1: Think kind thoughts for the Orc!