Valar Guild

November 20, 2005 Meeting

5pm ESDT (GMT -5)

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Transcript work by: Ar-Pharazon-(Valar)
and Varda-(Valar)

Attending list and who belongs to that odd AIM name anyway?  :)  (18)
    Members: ArPharazonV, Arwen V1, Eonwe Valar, Finarfin-(V)/ FINARFIN010, Gil-galad-(V)/ Xseanzee disco, GwaihirValar, Idril-(V)/ Narthais, FarmerMaggot-(V), Menelvagor Valar, Orodreth V, Thror-(V)/ Chugin Chub, Ugluk of Old, Ulmo-(Valar)/ HeruRasa, VardaValar1
    Guests: elvenX11 (joined today as Full Member Haldir V), IzoSprog (previously guest of Menelvagor's, read LotR, needs Elvish inscription for ring), Herumor-(V)-ex/Nemoeverlonely, Srekal86

Before-meeting
Meeting Begins
Membership
Web
Gaming
    Battlenet
    Counter-Strike: Source
    Battle for Middle-earth
    Dungeon Siege 2
    WoW:
       Europe
       Lothar
    LotRO RP post
Tolkien
    Mirkwood spiders are intelligent. Where did they come from?
After-meeting

Before-meeting:

You have just entered room "valarguildmeetingplace."
VardaValar1: Thanks
Eonwe Valar: Heya
Eonwe Valar: mp
Eonwe Valar: so this is everyone so far
VardaValar1: I haven't invited yet
VardaValar1: Struggling through email
VardaValar1: Two asked to join.
Eonwe Valar: I invited everyone on my list AIM would let me.
Menelvagor Valar has entered the room.
Menelvagor Valar: oh darn, almost forgot :-(
Eonwe Valar: tsk
Orodreth V has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya
Menelvagor Valar: Aiya :-)
Eonwe Valar: heya
Srekal86 has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya :-)
Srekal86: 'lo ;-)
Srekal86: "Your Amazon Order Has Shipped - Ringers: Lord of the Fans" - spiffy
Ugluk of Old has entered the room.
Ugluk of Old: Aiya!
VardaValar1: Hey there
Eonwe Valar: heya
Ugluk of Old: Hey I just wanted to say hello on this computer....will have to go shortly....will try to reconnect on home computer
VardaValar1: Be careful on your way home : )
Eonwe Valar: ok. Heya Ugluk :}
GwaihirValar has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya Eagle : )
VardaValar1: We need help noticing when people come on for invitations
VardaValar1: I have all those invited that are on my list. It could stand an update, I fear
VardaValar1: ok, we seem to be done inviting
VardaValar1: Eonwe asked me to gavel for you guys tonight, homework pressing him
VardaValar1: How many of you are live right now? Please say I!
VardaValar1: I
Ugluk of Old: I
Menelvagor Valar: would third person singular be acceptable?
VardaValar1: That long sentence will work too. ;-)
VardaValar1: We can also use transcript help mainly in case of crashes
Menelvagor Valar: then I will forego saying "we" :-P
VardaValar1: You have someone over the shoulder?
VardaValar1: Eowyn says hi, by the way : )
VardaValar1: Turin and she are on Lothar WoW
Narthais has entered the room.
Narthais: hey
VardaValar1: Aiya!
Menelvagor Valar: nope, just thought I'd imitate Julius Ceasar for a moment *grin*
Narthais: sorry, i just got home
Ugluk of Old: Ayia Eowyn
Menelvagor Valar: Hello to Eowyn and Turin.
VardaValar1: We're glad you made it home, Idril!
VardaValar1: We are just about to start : )
VardaValar1: Good timing!
Narthais: k
GwaihirValar: I'd love to stick around... but I need sleep, I just wanted to stop by to say hi ;-)
VardaValar1: Thanks for doing that!
GwaihirValar: goodnight friends, have a good meeting and a good day :-)
Ugluk of Old: HI and have a good night :-)
GwaihirValar: *yawns and goes to sleep* faretheewell :-)
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VardaValar1: Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo!
GwaihirValar has left the room.
VardaValar1: Membership News:
VardaValar1: Two people have requested by email to join this week.
Menelvagor Valar: I'll have to go to sleep as well, unfortunately.
VardaValar1: If you see Stardrifter online, he's looking for us
VardaValar1: Menel, rp?
VardaValar1: Think you might be able to do it sometime this week?
Menelvagor Valar: I will need to be well rested for that surprise party you guys are going to throw me for next week, since it will be close to my sixth anniversary :-)
VardaValar1: heheh
VardaValar1: We had better throw one for Eonwe then! He had his
Ugluk of Old: hehe
VardaValar1: *throws confetti*
Menelvagor Valar: Yeah, I'll whip up something for the RP this week.
VardaValar1: Great! See you on the forum then! : )
Ugluk of Old: let the ballons fly
VardaValar1: *passes honey cake from the Beornings*
VardaValar1: Any other member news?
VardaValar1: All of you here for the meeting are automatically on the roster for next year, unless you warn me differently or are not members. : )
ArPharazonV has entered the room.
IzoSprog has entered the room.
ArPharazonV: Aiya
IzoSprog: Hey all
VardaValar1: Hello there : )
Ugluk of Old: Aiya

ArPharazonV: Sorry for the extreme lateness, was busy taking part in organizing a raid of 25 people to massacre the Blightcaller...
ArPharazonV: what did I miss so far?
VardaValar1: Good! You may organize yourself to put in your two bits on the rp this week too : )
VardaValar1: Izo is our guest today
VardaValar1: He's read the LotR as well, fellow Tolkien fan : )
ArPharazonV: welcome! you sound familiar..
IzoSprog: Hehe..
VardaValar1: Menel invited Izo before
IzoSprog: Well, I've stopped by before, but I rarely log AIM, so I'm absent alot
IzoSprog: >_>
Ugluk of Old: welcome
IzoSprog: Thanks ^^
HeruRasa has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Ugluk still needs to decide on whether or not to keep his old name. Let him know what you think if you have an opinion ; )
VardaValar1: Aiya Ulmo!
HeruRasa: aiya
ArPharazonV: rp, you say? are there any new posts?
VardaValar1: Izo, how did the ring turn out that you needed Elvish for?
VardaValar1: I put one up, Phar.
ArPharazonV: ah, ok.. which is practically a month ago now... yup, time to get the thing up and running again
Eonwe Valar: Well, I asked a question in the discussion thread and got no responses.
IzoSprog: Turned out great, thanks Varda ^^ Its really nice, white gold ring, square in shape, with my name on the inside ^^
Eonwe Valar: on top of that, I've been really busy, or Iwould've made my next post by now.
Menelvagor Valar: I'll check that out as well, Eonwe.
Menelvagor Valar: and now, time for bed.
Menelvagor Valar: Namarie and until next week!
VardaValar1: Mara mesta!
Eonwe Valar: sleep well
HeruRasa: namarie
VardaValar1: Izo, what did you end up with for the inscription?
Eonwe Valar: I think I tried it as a Tolkien topic for the meeting as well, and it didn't get much here.
Orodreth V: I have a report to make about the bot. /msg me when that would be appropriate.
VardaValar1: thanks, Oro
IzoSprog: I think I've got a picture of the enscription (translated by a program that intergrates the language rules) let me grab a link
Menelvagor Valar has left the room.
IzoSprog: Hmmph, not on my photobucket, bare with me ^^
IzoSprog: Okay, link : http://www.elrilgalia.btinternet.co.uk/lotr/alcarinqua.jpg
VardaValar1: Thanks
VardaValar1: Handsome letters
VardaValar1: We hope to have the actual photo around Christmas when he gets his camera back : )
IzoSprog: Yeah, soon as we can actually charge the thing >_<
VardaValar1: In further Membership news,
VardaValar1: welcome Ugluk back as a full member!
VardaValar1: He's decided to keep Ugluk as a primary name as of just now
VardaValar1: Please remember that passing the test isn't enough. We have to have your primary name
VardaValar1: ok, enough on the side windows for a sec : )
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VardaValar1: Web News:
VardaValar1: Orodreth, go ahead
VardaValar1: Orodreth had bot news
VardaValar1: I saw his bot in Battlenet, Valar channel : )
VardaValar1: I hope you have all gone there and been recorded
VardaValar1: I still have more account names to drop on him ; )
VardaValar1: Orodreth seems to be afk. Let us know when you're back!
VardaValar1: Farmer Maggot has been working on more Bridging stuff
VardaValar1: It may be to the testing stage by next meeting and we'll need volunteers, who are not afk ; )
VardaValar1: Try side windowing him now and let him chat with you if you want to volunteer
VardaValar1: Oro is back with food!
VardaValar1: Go ahead, Oro
Orodreth V: It's all mine, though. Rawr.
Ugluk of Old: Hope to rejoin you late
Ugluk of Old: later
ArPharazonV: Namarie!
Ugluk of Old: Namarie
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Orodreth V: Okay, I've got the bot up and more or less running. I've started it logging as of tday, and later this week I hope to add a valar-guild-wide friends list to it.
Orodreth V: I've got the names of about 20 accounts on my personal f list, but I'm sure you all can supply me with more.
VardaValar1: ok, so I need to come back in with those accounts for you?
Orodreth V: No need to come in, just give me account names.
Orodreth V: Once I have them all, you'll be able to use a command to see who is online.
ArPharazonV: either ArPharazonV or Ar-Pharazon-V... not sure.. will just come in
VardaValar1: Coming in is good!
VardaValar1: I try to put known ones on the Activity page if it helps
Orodreth V: Yes, I'll also be checking the log files for names.
Orodreth V: Anyone I find there will be put into a file I can give to Varda to put you on the 'active' list.
VardaValar1: Thank you!
Orodreth V: I've seen 5 or 6 people so far, which is great.
VardaValar1: That's good news
Orodreth V: Well, that's about it.
VardaValar1: Sounds like a lot! Thanks for your hard work!
VardaValar1: Elatan has been doing web work
Orodreth V: Heh.
VardaValar1: For those interested in the upcoming Lord of the Rings Online,
VardaValar1: Elatan's page for us collects the relevant developer news
VardaValar1: Lots of intriguing things going on
VardaValar1: A bunch of player classes are set up
VardaValar1: Only problem is I already want to play three of them at once
VardaValar1: I haven't worked much on the web pages this week - gone camping part of the week and staying with Eowyn at the hospital for part of it
VardaValar1: but all is well now
VardaValar1: The camping was great ;-)
ArPharazonV: where'd you camp?
VardaValar1: Srekal (Hyarion) says they may be having some of the LotRO developers on guest chats on their server and he'll let us know
ArPharazonV: woods? lake? mountain resort?
VardaValar1: Enchanted Rock. An upthrust of bedrock in the woods. State natural area
ArPharazonV: nice
VardaValar1: Very beautiful! Yellow leaves like mallorns everywhere on the trees and underfoot
VardaValar1: Any other web news?
Xseanzee disco has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya Gil-galad : )
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VardaValar1: Gaming News:
Xseanzee disco: Heya
VardaValar1: The Battlenet bot is up on Valar channel run by Orodreth
VardaValar1: So if you have any Bnet characters, drop by and be counted : )
VardaValar1: Did anyone play anything that was not WoW this week?
VardaValar1: I played D2X
VardaValar1: We had other members there as well, not currently in here
FarmerMaggotV: I played Counter Strike: Source
VardaValar1: Ah cool!
ArPharazonV: well, not sure if it was this week or the one before, probably the latter
ArPharazonV: but Turgon and I tried to get together on Battle for Middleearth
ArPharazonV: I mean Menelvagor
ArPharazonV: ;-)
VardaValar1: Menelvagor fka Turgon : )
ArPharazonV: unfortunately, I was mysteriously completely destroyed a few minutes in the game, might have had something to do with corrupted or changed files...
ArPharazonV: so we gave up trying to get together, I reinstalled, and finished the campaigns instead
ArPharazonV: bought Dungeon Siege 2
ArPharazonV: and will see if I can finish DS 1 in the near future ;-)
VardaValar1: :-)
ArPharazonV: and that's basically it
VardaValar1: Thanks Phar
VardaValar1: Now we get to pick on you for the WoW Europe report too!
ArPharazonV: now?
ArPharazonV: ok, raid-instances are making a lot of progress
VardaValar1: This is the Gaming section, so yes :-)
ArPharazonV: Onyxia's going in 1 try, as well as entire Molten Core up to Majordomo, all basically on farming status from now on, so to speak
ArPharazonV: second try at Ragnaros yesterday, got him down to 43%
ArPharazonV: so we're getting there :-)
ArPharazonV: I myself personally got my second Cenarion piece from Golemagg, the chestpiece
ArPharazonV: which is, incidentally, also excellent for soloing in bearform
VardaValar1: Congrats
ArPharazonV: discovered Tyr's Hand as a great place to farm money, and since I was in debt to a guildmember for 150 gold for a long time now, decided to take up the opportunity
ArPharazonV: already paid back 120 of it this week, the rest will come in a few days
VardaValar1: ahh, and I've been avoiding it! have to give it a shot
VardaValar1: Epic mounts are expensive ; )
ArPharazonV: got 2 and a half new backgrounds for my characters set up on our guildsite (wow guild, that is, not the valarguild)
ArPharazonV: just one and a half to go
ArPharazonV: and my debt was actually for the warden staff, not the mount...
VardaValar1: Nice of Tolkien to give us ready-made backgrounds : )
ArPharazonV: :-)
ArPharazonV: well, luckily mine's pretty much based on existing lore as well
ArPharazonV: and that's basically it
VardaValar1: Thanks, Phar : )
VardaValar1: Eonwe has the WoW Lothar report for Friday's guild night
Eonwe Valar: Thanks :}
Eonwe Valar: First up, Arathorn and I went into Alterac with Eowyn to help her clear out some Warmongers.
Eonwe Valar: Ogre Warmongers, mind you :} Not just the everyday Warmonger :}
VardaValar1: hehe
Eonwe Valar: After this, we parted company as both Arathorn and Eowyn had to go soon.
Eonwe Valar: Later that night, Varda, Arathorn, Beline, and I took a trip into the Sunken Temple.
Eonwe Valar: Unfortunately, Arathorn had to go about 15 or so minutes in, so it was just me, Beline, and Varda for the rest of the way.
VardaValar1: Luckily we're gooood. ;-)
Eonwe Valar: We were hunting for a dragon, forget exact name right now (fill in if you know, Varda :}) for a hunter quest,..
VardaValar1: Morphaz the Green Dragon
Eonwe Valar: and 6 undead Trolls for a Paladin quest.
Eonwe Valar: That's him :} Thanks :}
VardaValar1: mp
Eonwe Valar: Morphaz had a friend though, which made this an interesting fight.
VardaValar1: Looked like a twin, flew side by side!
Eonwe Valar: We triggered them once and guaged their strength. When our plan didn't look like it was working, Beline used Divine Intervention on me and saved us from a trip as ghosts.
Eonwe Valar: After a rez and a short deliberation on our next move, we triggered them again and focused our efforts on the one we wanted dead: Morphaz.
Eonwe Valar: Once he was down, the other fell easily enough.
Eonwe Valar: We then walked up to Eranikus and decided we wouldn't be trying him that night :}
VardaValar1: Careful not to be knocked back into the small dragon groups that time too
Eonwe Valar: Aye
VardaValar1: We patted Eranikus's ghostly dragon head and let him lie.
Eonwe Valar: Aye :}
Eonwe Valar: After we had done that, we went to deal with the Undead Trolls holding the feathers we needed to forge the Holy Mightstone.
Eonwe Valar: The trip was a winding one through the halls as we went upstairs and downstairs to get all 6.
Eonwe Valar: Beline proved to be a capable tank as s 52 Paladin (8 levels below me and Varda) and Varda did a great job with her Hunter.
VardaValar1: and Auros did a great job as a Paladin : )
Eonwe Valar: Once we completed our objectives, we used our hearthstones to get out.
Eonwe Valar: Then I went to turn in my quest in the Western Plaguelands and choose my reward. I chose the Sanctified Orb :}
Eonwe Valar: Beline's waiting for the ralent respec to decide on what he's going to get.
Eonwe Valar: Varda can tell you what she went with for her hunter quest reward if she wishes :}
VardaValar1: The Eye!
Eonwe Valar: And that does it for the Lothar report.
VardaValar1: Thank you, Eonwe
ArPharazonV: ah, yes, the talent-respec.. my first alt, a paladin, just entered her twenties... I hope patch will be out before I have to start making some big decisions
IzoSprog: right, bedtime for me. Class early tomorrow. *sighs* Nice seeing you all again. See you around ^^
VardaValar1: The paladin will be re-speccing on the next patch
VardaValar1: Namarie1
IzoSprog: Take care :-)
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ArPharazonV: yup, I know.. but a time will come when I have to decide on specific questrewards, and I'd prefer to have a clear future by then :-)
VardaValar1: You know, but we needed to pass it on to our transcript readers : )
ArPharazonV: true
VardaValar1: Please whisper Tolkien topics
ArPharazonV: and for our readers, there are more patch-developments this week!
ArPharazonV: the final graphics for the tier 2 classsets have been revealed
ArPharazonV: and no, the triple s is not a typo
Eonwe Valar: I like the Paladin preview they've given.
ArPharazonV: a new piece of lore is revealed, about the battle against the Silithid, concerning the new instance in Silithus
ArPharazonV: Ahn'Qiraj, from the top of my head, probably not spelled right
ArPharazonV: upon checking, it seems my spelling was correct after all for the instance
ArPharazonV: go me...
ArPharazonV: let's see.. more news...
ArPharazonV: right, linking of auction houses
ArPharazonV: new auction houses in Stormwind, Darnassus, Thunderbluff and Undercity, connected to the old ones in Ironforge and Orgrimmar
ArPharazonV: that should help spread the population a little between the main cities, and hopefully reduce general lag
VardaValar1: Like to see Gadgetzan's linked
ArPharazonV: and that is basically what I found most important about the new patch-preview.... and thus, my news ends
ArPharazonV: oh, right
ArPharazonV: Gadgetzan will link with AHs in Everlook and Booty Bay
HeruRasa: maybe some, I think many like to hang out in a busy play and jump around and post mindless babble
HeruRasa: play = place
Eonwe Valar: Well, they can do that in all cities now :}
VardaValar1: ouch - maybe we can spread them out a bit at least
VardaValar1: Cut some of the lag in Lagforge
ArPharazonV: accompanying this linking
Eonwe Valar: And if they don't at least the rest of us can have access to what we need with moderate lag.
HeruRasa: I think it means people who want less lag will go to SW
Eonwe Valar: Let them have IF if I can go to the AH fro mStormwind or Darnassus.
ArPharazonV: the channels for LFG and Trade are now linked between said cities
ArPharazonV: which means your SW chat gets spammed with IF-groupings... which I am not too fond of
VardaValar1: We are taking suggestions for Lothar's Friday gaming for next week. We have one request for a return to the Sunken Temple
ArPharazonV: but it should help form groups, since you'll contact people in all 3 cities at once
ArPharazonV: and I think those were the main points..
Eonwe Valar: I'm going to put a post about what Varda just mentioned tonight. If you're interested post there. We've tried this before and got little response, but we're giving it another go.
Eonwe Valar: *post on the Forum.
Eonwe Valar: You all do remember we have a Forum, right? :}
VardaValar1: We have more high level people, so we can do higher areas now
ArPharazonV: I check it daily! Just need to post more often...
VardaValar1: We took ST with three of us
Eonwe Valar: You'll be able to find it in the Hunts section under World of Warcraft.
Eonwe Valar: That's the board under which you can find weekly Guild questing reports or try to organize getting together with people outside of the weekly Friday questing.
Eonwe Valar: It's there for your use, so put it to some.
VardaValar1: If you want to try a particular spot and need help, tell us when you'd like to try it
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VardaValar1: You made it1
Ugluk of Old: did so
VardaValar1: Congrats Ugluk : )
Eonwe Valar: While I'm at it, we do have other games besides WoW listed on the Forum. Starcrafters, WC3ers, EQers, etc can use it.
Eonwe Valar: They all have their own sections.
Eonwe Valar: If you don't see a section for the game you play, you can use the General Gaming Board right at the top of the Gaming section.
VardaValar1: We also have Tolkien areas and an rp to read : )
Eonwe Valar: Aye, don't forget about those :}
VardaValar1: Ugluk is being called away
Ugluk of Old has left the room.
VardaValar1: but now he knows how to join us : )
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VardaValar1: Tolkien:
VardaValar1: We have been tossing around some topics, but haven't really chosen one
VardaValar1: Mirkwood spiders seem to have been another intelligent race on Middle-earth
VardaValar1: They worked together and had their own language
VardaValar1: Should we consider that as a possible entry name race? : )
VardaValar1: We may have to be creative on names
VardaValar1: Attercop of course : )
VardaValar1: Where did they come from and were they part of Eru's design?
VardaValar1: Related to Ungoliant? or just provided the mates of Ungoliant that provided the more terrifying ones like Shelob?
ArPharazonV: I faintly recall a blood-connection between Shelob and the Mirkwood spiders..
ArPharazonV: something like "her cousins in the north"?
ArPharazonV: something like that
VardaValar1: I think I could use some more reading on the subject
VardaValar1: Other topics mentioned:
VardaValar1: Why Mt. Orodruin as the place to forge the One Ring?
VardaValar1: How about the Northern Waste? And the dragons there?
VardaValar1: That could be something for a fanfic to play with : )
ArPharazonV: quote found on the spiders, in Two Towers, Shelob's Lair
ArPharazonV: "Far and wide her lesser broods, bastards of the miserable mates, her own offspring, that she slew, spread from glen to glen, from the Ephel Duath to the eastern hills, to Dol Guldur and the fastnesses of Mirkwood."
VardaValar1: Thanks Phar!
ArPharazonV: "But none could rival her, Shelob the Great, last child of Ungoliant to trouble the unhappy world."
ArPharazonV: there's your connection to Ungoliant also :-)
ArPharazonV: end quote
VardaValar1: That one I remembered, but excellent! That would be where the intelligence comes from
VardaValar1: What spider mate could Ungoliant have found?
VardaValar1: Perhaps none, and that is why Shelob is female?
ArPharazonV: probably another broodling from Ungoliant, who she devoured ;-)
VardaValar1: but how did Shelob find the mates it mentions
ArPharazonV: well
ArPharazonV: apparently the mates were her offspring also
ArPharazonV: speaking of inbreeding..
VardaValar1: If they were from unfertilized eggs, they could only be female.
ArPharazonV: yes, the y-chromosome must come from somewhere...
VardaValar1: Shelob and the others seemed less powerful than Ungoliant, a lot less
VardaValar1: So the males might have been more of a natural variety, very large?
ArPharazonV: ah, right, did Ungoliant not mate with lesser spiders in the Silmarillion?
VardaValar1: That could have been how the discord could form Ungoliant, perhaps, from thoughts of other spiders?
VardaValar1: They still had to be awesomely huge spiders
VardaValar1: Perhaps they were not evil, being natural
VardaValar1: The intelligence and evil could have been brought by Ungoliant
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VardaValar1: I wonder if the brood of Ungoliant wiped out the natural spiders, or if they crossed in with the the evil ones so much that they were lost.
VardaValar1: Much speculation here
ArPharazonV: "and fleeing from the north she went down into Beleriand, and dwelt beneath Ered Gorgoroth, in that dark valley that was after called Nan Dungortheb, the Valley of Dreadful Death,
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ArPharazonV: because of the horror that she bred there. For other foul creatures of spider form had dwelt there since the days of the delving of Angband, and she mated with them, and devoured them;
ArPharazonV: and even after Ungoliant herself departed, and went whither she would into the forgotten south of the world, her offspring abode there and wove their hideous webs.
ArPharazonV: Of the fate of Ungoliant no tale tells. Yet some have said that she ended long ago, when in her uttermost famine she devoured herself at last."
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Narthais: gtg.. cya everyone
ArPharazonV: in Shelob's description it also says Shelob fled from ruin, to settle in the mountains of Mordor, even before Sauron came there
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ArPharazonV: Namarie
ArPharazonV: too late..
ArPharazonV: so it might be she was truly a daughter of Ungoliant, coming south, with eggs fertilized by a mate
ArPharazonV: her own offspring became mates, who she devoured, and eventually the lesser offspring spread north and east...
ArPharazonV: coming at last to Mirkwood, where we see them last
ArPharazonV: ..any comments on my uninterrupted monologue?
VardaValar1: Trying to let you finish your quote this time :-)
VardaValar1: Good job!
ArPharazonV: my quote ended with the last "
VardaValar1: Shelob is said indeed to be Ungoliant's child
ArPharazonV: the last of her children, in fact, so either the only survivor from the wrack of Beleriand, or simply the youngest one
VardaValar1: If the spiders for Ungoliant's mates were in Angband, they sound like spiders he corrupted and were bred up
Xseanzee disco: maybe angband wasnt so bad after all. maybe there was cotton candy and pretzels and merry go rounds.
ArPharazonV: ever tried making a web out of cotton candy?
VardaValar1: right.... Like a bridge?
Xseanzee disco: lol
Xseanzee disco: not lately.
VardaValar1: Cotton candy made from webs
Eonwe Valar: melon rinds, banana peels and, rotten cotton candy everywhere! Oh wait, that's the Fair. A goose tells me it's a veritable smorgasborde-orgasborde-orgasborde :}
Xseanzee disco: haha
Eonwe Valar: A stack of Dense sharpening stone or weightstones in WoW to whoever can tell me what that's from in a whisper :}
Eonwe Valar: Pardon, don't mean to interrupt the Tolkien :}
Eonwe Valar: But aye, it does seem Morgoth was already corrupting spiders before he was imprisoned.
VardaValar1: I think we probably got the subject handled
VardaValar1: We could choose up folks to go play games now? : )
ArPharazonV: yeah, good quotes, easily found as well...
ArPharazonV: I blame Tolkien for putting quotes where you most expect them!
VardaValar1: At least sometimes : )
VardaValar1: Thanks for digging them out, Phar!
ArPharazonV: my pleasure
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VardaValar1: I declare after-meeting!
VardaValar1: Go play or do homework ;-)
ArPharazonV: actually, I'll go to bed soon
VardaValar1: Drop into Bnet Valar and say hi to the bot maybe :-)
Eonwe Valar: :}
VardaValar1: or go to bed in Europe : )
VardaValar1: Eowyn is about to pass WoW Lothar to Fangorn
Eonwe Valar: Guess no one's going to take up my little trivia question for a stack of sharpening or weight stones :}
VardaValar1: What question? Please repeat?
VardaValar1: I love those stones : )
Eonwe Valar: melon rinds, banana peels and, rotten cotton candy everywhere! Oh wait, that's the Fair. A goose tells me it's a veritable smorgasborde-orgasborde-orgasborde :}
Eonwe Valar: A stack of Dense sharpening stone or weightstones in WoW to whoever can tell me what that's from in a whisper :}
VardaValar1: The Faire
Xseanzee disco: I win.
VardaValar1: Go Gil : )
Eonwe Valar: Aye, he won :}
Eonwe Valar: The correct answer is: Charlotte's Web :}
Xseanzee disco: the rat says it right?
VardaValar1: should have been a side window answer too, sorry
Eonwe Valar: So the question wasn't too far off the topic :}
VardaValar1: I admit I did not read Charlotte's Web
ArPharazonV: nor did I
VardaValar1: Tiara off to you, Gil-galad!
Eonwe Valar: That's ok, it's from the animated version :}
Xseanzee disco: i didnt either. just saw the movie all so many years ago
Xseanzee disco: why thank you
Xseanzee disco: *bows*
VardaValar1: I saw the commercials for it : )
VardaValar1: Another lady spider, heh
FarmerMaggotV has left the room.
Eonwe Valar: I gotta get that on DVD. Trying to collect some good stuff for my kids to watch when I have them :}
VardaValar1: I like that "when"
ArPharazonV: speaking of animated films... I recently caught a few minutes of a movie called "The last unicorn"
Eonwe Valar: oh cool
VardaValar1: I love the Last Unicorn :-)
VardaValar1: Get that DVD for your kids : )
ArPharazonV: :-)
Eonwe Valar: My bro has that on DVD. I never got around to watching it myself.
VardaValar1: Go Beline!
Orodreth V: And thus I finish reading the 11th book of Wheel of Time.
Xseanzee disco: I always use to watch some animated movie about dinosaurs controlled by humans with mounter weapons on them lol.
Xseanzee disco: mounted*
Eonwe Valar: Don't tell anything about it Orodreth
Xseanzee disco: cant remembed the name.
ArPharazonV: unfortunately, it was translated to Dutch, so that was a disappointment...
VardaValar1: Congrats, Oro : )
Orodreth V: /me promptly falls asleep
Eonwe Valar: I have not read the 11th book because I am waiting for the paperback.
ArPharazonV: but I wouldn't mind seeing the entire film in English
ArPharazonV: seemed like an interesting story, and uniquely drawn
Orodreth V: A teacher of mine lent it to me. :D
VardaValar1: Then there's the library
Orodreth V: Bahahah
Orodreth V: Bahahahahahah
Eonwe Valar: I already bought 1-10 in paperback, and it'd mess up my collection to throw a hardback in all of a sudden.
VardaValar1: But the author prefers you buy it! Then he gets royalties
Orodreth V: Go to the library.
Orodreth V: And see how long the waiting list is.
VardaValar1: Read Tolkien's Letters sometime
Orodreth V: Everywhere around here it's 3+ months.
VardaValar1: He would get letters from people who read his books in the library and loved them, but wouldn't pay anything for his books
VardaValar1: Hard to buy a cup of tea on that
Orodreth V: I have no monies.
Orodreth V: Besides, I have people like Eonwe to buy the books to make me feel better. :-P
VardaValar1: heheh
ArPharazonV: so, you would say the last unicorn is worth watching? maybe I need to keep an eye open for it then... as I said, only saw like half an hour
ArPharazonV: and that was in Dutch... and that's always a turnoff
VardaValar1: Well, I liked it : )
Eonwe Valar: What, people like me who end up buying them twice to have a hardback version when they are able to afford one? :}
VardaValar1: It was in English though
Orodreth V: Varda: Could you point me to a list of bnet usernames?
VardaValar1: Activity page
VardaValar1: http://valarguild.org/varda/guild/active/active2005.htm
VardaValar1: Some are really old, yet even some very old ones are in use too : )
ArPharazonV: Ar-Pharazon-V apparently... wasn't too sure if it was with or without dashes
VardaValar1: in Bnet now, you can have the dash
VardaValar1: but not dash next to parentheses
VardaValar1: If it has that, the account is ancient. Like mine
ArPharazonV: parentheses? not familiar with the term
VardaValar1: You can do Phar-V or Phar(V) but not Phar-(V)
ArPharazonV: ah
VardaValar1: ( ) is a set of parentheses
ArPharazonV: ok
VardaValar1: I'll hang around doing webwork
ArPharazonV: saving now then
VardaValar1: Thanks
ArPharazonV: saved
VardaValar1: May your trible increase :-)
ArPharazonV: trible?   [note to Phar: typo for "tribe"]
Orodreth V: Varda, I found a typo. :-P Look at Eru's entry.
VardaValar1: under Powers?

Orodreth V: Most of the people listed have games mentioned, but not their accounts.
Orodreth V: Hmph.
VardaValar1: Games page doesn't have accounts either
Xseanzee disco has left the room.
Eonwe Valar: Games Page has the accounts given to me by the members themselves, so if they're missing it's because the person hasn't sent it in.
Eonwe Valar: With only a couple of exceptions whom I haven't added yet. The majority though follow the above rule.
VardaValar1: ah good! So they are under the game names?
VardaValar1: I have not sent you my account names, just games
VardaValar1: Guess I'd better get on the stick (hot rods can be fun)
Orodreth V: haahha
ArPharazonV: sent!
Orodreth V: FM's entry:
Orodreth V: "Maggot, Farmer"
Orodreth V: bahaha
ArPharazonV: ?
Orodreth V: http://valarguild.org/varda/guild/active/active 2005.htm#M
Orodreth V: scroll down a little
Orodreth V: you'll see
ArPharazonV: see what?
ArPharazonV: already looking
VardaValar1: If no comma, it could be funny : )
ArPharazonV: ah, allright
VardaValar1: But Farmer is a title, like a king
ArPharazonV: Maggot King?
Orodreth V: That's better!
Orodreth V: Hahah
Orodreth V: Oh, wow.
Orodreth V: I need to send you info to update my activity stuff.
Orodreth V: That is SO out of date.
Orodreth V: x.x
VardaValar1: Please do
VardaValar1: My email is open to you : )
VardaValar1: it would still have a comma, Phar : )
ArPharazonV: actually, my activity stuff is still uptodate... still up for a game of BZFlag if you want ;-)
ArPharazonV: but not today
VardaValar1: What typo under Eru?

Orodreth V: email
Orodreth V: says 205
Orodreth V: not 2005
Orodreth V: Just being nitpicky.
Orodreth V: :-P
VardaValar1: thanks!
VardaValar1: You are quite right. I just could not see it
Orodreth V: Sheesh, Varda.
Orodreth V: Have enough accounts?
Orodreth V: Almost as many as me.
VardaValar1: This program for working on the web is new, much slower and unpleasant
Eonwe Valar: Varda needs a few more :} let's go make them for her :}
VardaValar1: It is super slow on tables
VardaValar1: hehe
VardaValar1: I only put the main ones.... ;-)
Orodreth V: I used to have Ulmo@USWest
Orodreth V: Think it's expired though.
Orodreth V: Perhaps I'll check alter.
Orodreth V: later*
VardaValar1: West is not Valar
VardaValar1: and it's not your guild name but outsider
VardaValar1: You guys really want me to track all your outsider accounts?
VardaValar1: Those are supposed to be outside our fussing at you ; )
Orodreth V: Huh?
Orodreth V: Oh.
Orodreth V: No.
Orodreth V: Just mentioning.
Orodreth V: I worked hard to get that.
ArPharazonV: they should be the outlet for your dark sides! far from the policies of the Guild forcing you to be kind and generous...
VardaValar1: Phar's got it ; )
VardaValar1: forcing, sheesh
Orodreth V: Had to trade Aule AND Fangorn for it.
VardaValar1: Rather you be in it because you wanted a place to let out your light side for a change
ArPharazonV: what can I say... dark side speaking...
ArPharazonV: yah, that too
Orodreth V: Eonwe, what's your e-mail? No sence in sending two people mostly the same info.
VardaValar1: send to both I guess
ArPharazonV: but I'm happy here, don't get me wrong... paradise for my light side indeed
VardaValar1: I'd like to not have all these redundant things
VardaValar1: The Activity page was originally just my notes for promotions : )
Orodreth V: Redundancy is annoying.
Eonwe Valar: Check the Activity Page or the Members page for my e-mail :}
VardaValar1: Then it was nice to share it more easily with Council
VardaValar1: and let members know what we had
Orodreth V: Eonwe, it would take you less tiem to type it out then to tell me to check. Yargh. Fine.
VardaValar1: We have a person who wishes to join
ArPharazonV: ok, I gotta go
Eonwe Valar: take care
ArPharazonV: but my dark side would like to leave you with one message before I leave this chatroom
ArPharazonV: a link, just discovered on our war3 forum (don't worry, not adult-rated or anything)
ArPharazonV: http://uploads.ungrounded.net/190000/1904 65_egg_song_English_2.swf remember to eat your eggs!
ArPharazonV: Namarie!
ArPharazonV: and don't let the tune haunt your nightmares...
ArPharazonV: goodnight
ArPharazonV has left the room.
VardaValar1: Namarie1
Orodreth V: okay
Orodreth V: back
Orodreth V: writing e0mail now
Orodreth V: hmm
Orodreth V: I need to make a new account for my bot so there's no confusion
Orodreth V: and name suggestions?
Srekal86: ValarBot
Srekal86: :p
VardaValar1: We used to have one named that, good : )
Orodreth V: How... original.
Orodreth V: I was thinking more like the lidless eye.. :-P
Orodreth V: But ValarBot works too..
Srekal86: maybe you should spice it up
Srekal86: BotValar or something
Orodreth V: Remind me to never go to a party with you. :-P
VardaValar1: Try your light side ; )
Orodreth V: I'd say Huan, but that's a member name..
Orodreth V: Hrm.
Orodreth V: The Watcher in the Water?
VardaValar1: That could be a member name : )
Orodreth V: That'd be perfect if it had ops.. :-P
VardaValar1: Try something inanimate or a place
VardaValar1: Green Dragon we had at one time
Orodreth V: Palantir?
Eonwe Valar: ValarBuddy was the one we used for a long long time.
VardaValar1: Aye, main one!
Eonwe Valar: Palantir is the name of a program already out there. Might get confusing for some.
Orodreth V: Hrm.
Orodreth V: What's the name of Eareandil's ship?
Eonwe Valar: Vingilot I think.
VardaValar1: Right
Orodreth V: Let me check if that's taken.
Orodreth V: Prolly.
VardaValar1: It is Earendil's storage
Orodreth V: actually, come to think of it, I think last I saw it was {WC}'s bot.
Orodreth V: I know Valinor will be taken
VardaValar1: An inn is good : )
Orodreth V: I still like the lidless eye or the watcher in the water
Orodreth V: ooh
Orodreth V: hrm
VardaValar1: Lidless Eye could belong to Sauron
VardaValar1: Watcher could be a member
elvenX11 has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya elven
Orodreth V: Pah. Sauron deserves an account taken from him for running me over with his car. :-\
Eonwe Valar: I think I missed that in LotR..:}
VardaValar1: He claims he didn't do that
Orodreth V: He did too.
Orodreth V: I have the log of it somewhere.
VardaValar1: elven is interested in joining as a Full Member
VardaValar1: He just told you he did and you are suggestible ; )
Orodreth V: Haha.
Orodreth V: Varda, if you'd stand back, there's someone begging for a fruit cannon 2000 to the face. :-P
VardaValar1: It'll have to wait : )
Orodreth V: No fun. :-(
VardaValar1: Go work on naming your bot ; )
Orodreth V: Well, I've always been one for original names
Orodreth V: so
Orodreth V: AReallyCoolBot it is.
VardaValar1: please
VardaValar1: something at least a little Tolkien?
Orodreth V: Haha.
Orodreth V: Fine, fine.
Orodreth V: ValarBuddy has returned.
Eonwe Valar: bah, afk
Eonwe Valar: back
VardaValar1: Welcome back : )
Eonwe Valar: thanks
Orodreth V: Anyone here know any languages besides english, french, and latin?
VardaValar1: In the room? Fluently?
Orodreth V: Yes and moderatly.
VardaValar1: Try the members page for a country list
Orodreth V: I want as many different languages as I can for a line in my sig.
Orodreth V: Translations and transliterations of "That's life"
VardaValar1: sounds annoying ; )
Orodreth V: I try my best.
Orodreth V: :-P
Orodreth V: sent
Orodreth V: hope that's all
Orodreth V: oh, durr
Orodreth V: forgot to mention bot name, ValarBuddy, sits in Valar on East
VardaValar1: Pardon if we don't pay proper attention, in a test
VardaValar1: ok, thanks
Chugin Chub has entered the room.
Orodreth V: It takes about 2 minutes for the monitor to cycle through my list of 31 names.
VardaValar1: Aiya! : )
VardaValar1: Thror! : )
Chugin Chub has left the room.
VardaValar1: We did a side window about Harry Potter : ) No spoilers for you guys!
VardaValar1: Thror wants to be included in the 2006 roster too. Note to self.
Orodreth V: Hewlett-Packard and Harry Potter bothhave the same level of quality: none. :-|
VardaValar1: ouch : )
Nemoeverlonely has entered the room.
Nemoeverlonely: hey hey
VardaValar1: Aiya Herumor
Orodreth V: Noone ever lonely?
Nemoeverlonely: originally, I thought Nemo was merely Omen backwards..
Nemoeverlonely: its an old name
Nemoeverlonely: then I found it meant nobody, it seemed fitting
Nemoeverlonely: its also the Dreamchild
Nemoeverlonely: but I prefer Xanatos:-)
Nemoeverlonely: lol..sorry, so few show interest in such things
Nemoeverlonely: hmm..im curious, who here still plays d2 from the valar?
Orodreth V: I'm something of a latin scholar.
Nemoeverlonely: Then your interesting to me:-)
Orodreth V: I know Varda does every blue moon.
Orodreth V: I think a couple others do as well.
VardaValar1: Thorondor, Finarfin, Isildur
Nemoeverlonely: hmmm..
Orodreth V: Know their account names, varda?
VardaValar1: Isildur-V
Nemoeverlonely: do you know if anyone would mind loaning an old ex member a few sorc items until I can get on my feet
VardaValar1: Finarfin-V
Orodreth V: nevermind
VardaValar1: I am starting a little sorcie, but she has nothing you would be interested in
Orodreth V: I already have them
VardaValar1: Sorontar-Valar
VardaValar1: Thorondor-Valar
Orodreth V: yup
Orodreth V: was hoping for some new names
Orodreth V: ah well
Nemoeverlonely: I am trying to make a very powerful sorcy, heh
Orodreth V: ooh, I'll add the ones off my buddy list
VardaValar1: Then have at it : )
Nemoeverlonely: i didn't know if anyone in valar has a stockpile sittin around
Nemoeverlonely: :-(
Nemoeverlonely: weird silence..
VardaValar1: We are doing a test and now have a new member : )
VardaValar1: Most people are afk at the moment : )
VardaValar1: Haldir-(V) is our new Full Member : )
VardaValar1: as of one minute ago
Orodreth V: Okay
Arwen V1 has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya Arwen!
Arwen V1: Aiya!
Orodreth V: now it takes about 3:45 do cycle through the 45 users.
VardaValar1: We just got a new member, Haldir-(V) : )
Arwen V1: yay
Orodreth V: what games?
VardaValar1: The Frozen Throne : )
Orodreth V: GLEEEEE
Orodreth V: Haldir, you're my new best friend. :-D
Nemoeverlonely: :-)
Orodreth V: Is that elvenx11?
VardaValar1: Yes, Oro : )
VardaValar1: He's planning on making a Haldir character : )
Arwen V1 has left the room.
VardaValar1: He's bouncing around the website right now
Nemoeverlonely: need to go guys, ttyl!
Nemoeverlonely: ty for invite, as always
Nemoeverlonely: Namarie
Nemoeverlonely: orodreth, lets chat latin sometime:-)
VardaValar1: : )
Nemoeverlonely: I've been translating Latin into Elven characters alot lately, working on a book of sorts...a personal project
Nemoeverlonely: I call it the book of Desiderium, you may be familiar
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Orodreth V: I'm a novice scholar
Orodreth V: oh
Orodreth V: heh
VardaValar1: Talking to other Latin nuts could boost your level : )
Orodreth V: Should have asked them what this meant..Vitae aliae conservo; non debete servare me.
Orodreth V: Warcraft 3
Orodreth V: oops
Orodreth V: wrong window
VardaValar1: chatting with Haldir? : )
elvenX11 has left the room.
VardaValar1: He's trying to make a Haldir AIM name
Orodreth V: ah
VardaValar1: He's already joined the Forum.
VardaValar1: Maybe you WC3/TFT guys could do some planning on getting together there
VardaValar1: Say what times (in EST) you can play, for instance
VardaValar1: With your bot, you have a major advantage : )
Orodreth V: heh
Haldir V has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Welcome to the Valar Guild, Haldir!
Haldir V: aiya
VardaValar1: You've done a lot fast! Congratulations!
Haldir V: thanks
VardaValar1: On the Forum, took an AIM name we can all recognize, and a 5/5 score on your test!
VardaValar1: We are currently doing webwork to show you're a member
Haldir V: k
VardaValar1: But we can still talk your pointed ears off : )
Haldir V: haha
Haldir V: good
VardaValar1: =)
VardaValar1: We are now in "After-meeting"
VardaValar1: People who tend to hang around, not wanting to leave.
VardaValar1: Free chat
Orodreth V: Or who are too lazy to leave.
Orodreth V: *cough*
VardaValar1: heheh
VardaValar1: We could keep this room up all the time, except AIM wipes it clear nightly
Orodreth V: Er?
Orodreth V: I've kept it running for a week before..
VardaValar1: Seems like. We tried to do it over the Anniversary, number 8, and it kept clearing us off
Orodreth V: If my net hadn't gone bonkers, I would have held it up all week
Orodreth V: I did run it for some days
VardaValar1: AIM likes you better ;-)
Orodreth V: Trillian 4tw.
VardaValar1: /bow
FINARFIN010 has entered the room.
FINARFIN010: heya all
FINARFIN010: Happy thanksgiving!!!
VardaValar1: Aiya!
VardaValar1: Happy Thanksgiving to you too : )
FINARFIN010: thank you
FINARFIN010: so has anyone seen the New Harry Potter movie yet and if so what do you think of it
VardaValar1: yes!
VardaValar1: I liked it better than the others, although it was a bit choppy
VardaValar1: Older and a little darker
FINARFIN010: right. I shall not have an oppertuinity to see it untill saturday.
VardaValar1: Nice bit with Sirius : )
VardaValar1: ouch
VardaValar1: I shall say no more then
FINARFIN010: well it is a busy time
VardaValar1: It was very good
FINARFIN010: cool
FINARFIN010: we will sell over 2,500 turkies this year
FINARFIN010: brb
VardaValar1: Two to me
Eonwe Valar: Happy Thanksgiving :}
VardaValar1: Hey there Eonwe : )
Haldir V: happy thanksgiving to all of the americans
Haldir V: im canadian
VardaValar1: Thank you, Canadian : )
Haldir V: lol
FINARFIN010: well you have alaready had your thanksgiving!
VardaValar1: The Europeans don't get off for it either
Haldir V: yes
Haldir V: a rather delicious ones
FINARFIN010: cool
FINARFIN010: well i wish i could stay but i must be up very early in the am. so I am saying Namarie to all.
VardaValar1: We all need to be considering that direction : )
VardaValar1: May Irmo send happy dreams : )
FINARFIN010: *bows low to lady Varda*
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VardaValar1: Tengwar script page url from Herumor:
VardaValar1: http://at.mansbjorkman.net/
VardaValar1: We have it
VardaValar1: Excellent
VardaValar1: He also suggests:
VardaValar1: http://www.grey-company.org/Circle/
Haldir V: well everyone it has been a good first day
Haldir V: i have to wake up for school tmrw
Eonwe Valar: Take care
Haldir V: mara mesta
Haldir V has left the room.
VardaValar1: I have got to go to sleep. Good night, folks. : ) 
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