March 27, 2005 Meeting
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Transcript team: Ar-Pharazon (untimed section), Menelvagor (shows times
in EST), and Varda (summary, webwork)
ArPharazonV, Elros-V/LouieKisKowsKi, Eonwe Valar, Fili-V/patente666gosse, GilraenV,
Menelvagor Valar, VardaValar1
Time changed in Europe and it is Easter Sunday for
the Americas. Surprisingly, we still had enough people for a good
meeting. It may only take two or three. ;)
Friday guild gaming
MeO rp new players coming
4 topics suggested. Since Menelvagor was the only
topic-giver left by chat time, we went with his:
The other three for other meetings were:
Where did Beorn get his ability?
Haleth-(V)'s two topics:
Are the Eldar reborn?
In the Silmarillion, were there
children of the Valar?
Eonwe improvised a game on
the spot: "The Lord of Ferrets".
You have just entered room "Valar Guild Meetingplace."
Menelvagor Valar has entered the room.
(17:03:36) Druidfalconwolf has entered the room.
Menelvagor Valar (17:03:42): welcome :-)
Menelvagor Valar: it seems many people are either busy with Easter, or
forgot about DST
ArPharazonV: or it's next week, just like last time
ArPharazonV: which means we're an hour early
ArPharazonV: but they'll probably show up any minute...
Druidfalconwolf: well, there are 13 people on right now...
ArPharazonV: btw, druidfalconwolf, I hadn't added you to my buddy
list... who are you?
ArPharazonV: well, you're added now :-)
ArPharazonV: congratulations, for being... 112th in my list, it seems
ArPharazonV: yup, 112 people in my list, 93 offline
Druidfalconwolf: 125 here, most of 'em Valar Guild
Druidfalconwolf: 104 are offline
ArPharazonV: you win :-)
Druidfalconwolf: lol :-P
Menelvagor Valar: is that with, or without MSN?
ArPharazonV: without msn
ArPharazonV: pure aim
Druidfalconwolf: same here
Menelvagor Valar: 73 in list, 58 offline
Druidfalconwolf: sry about response rate, I'm doing a bit of research
for school project :-\
ArPharazonV: meeting hasn't even started yet
ArPharazonV: so, played any games today?
Druidfalconwolf: well, me and my friend fooled around with a map editor
ArPharazonV: a map editor? from what game?
ArPharazonV: and? made any good maps? :-)
Druidfalconwolf: well, we're working on one, but he wants to build his
sound system first
Druidfalconwolf: it's awesome
ArPharazonV: so, too soon for any spoilers?
Druidfalconwolf: lol not really
Druidfalconwolf: it's a gladiator map
Druidfalconwolf: level forty heroes, creeping stuff, Elite stores,
Elite heroes, and lots and lots of heroes to choose from in the
Menelvagor Valar: are all the heroes balanced?
Druidfalconwolf: that's why it's taking so long
Druidfalconwolf: we're trying to balance it, and I keep coming up with
Menelvagor Valar: like a lvl 40 DL can hit like crazy with massive
damage and lifetap thingy
Druidfalconwolf: well, spellcasters have really low health
Druidfalconwolf: and speed
ArPharazonV: got specific abilities that can be kept improving through
ArPharazonV: or is it that you can just add stats after a certain time?
Druidfalconwolf: umm both
Druidfalconwolf: you have a choice
ArPharazonV: ah, ok
ArPharazonV: but the abilities don't run out after level 20 or so
Druidfalconwolf: my friend wants 10 levels per spell, but I told him to
at least tone down the ultimate spells
ArPharazonV: that would be something
ArPharazonV: a lvl 10 ultimate
ArPharazonV: what's it going to be called?
ArPharazonV: the map?
ArPharazonV: so that I can recognize it on bnet
Druidfalconwolf: won't be done for a while
Druidfalconwolf: but I'll post the news when it's done :-)
ArPharazonV: looking forward to it
ArPharazonV: how many heroes you got so far?
Druidfalconwolf: he's actually created 7, but I sent him ideas for
another 10, and have more on the way
ArPharazonV: so we'll be looking at at least 20 heroes then
Druidfalconwolf: more, prolly
ArPharazonV: 've you already made more maps in the past?
Druidfalconwolf: he has, but this is my first attempt
ArPharazonV: I've never made any myself (except for a very small one to
test the powers of Archimonde, in the beginning of RoC)
ArPharazonV: but I've been planning a series of campaigns about ME for
a long time, though nothing has come of it yet
ArPharazonV: lazy me...
ArPharazonV: anyway, I'm going to find a war3 game before the meeting
ArPharazonV: see ya in a few minutes
Druidfalconwolf: I g2g soon... made a mistake about time, and I'm
supposed to walk the dogs
ArPharazonV: will you be back?
Druidfalconwolf: yeah, eventually... hopefully
ArPharazonV: well, perhaps until next week
ArPharazonV: perhaps later today
ArPharazonV: namarie :-)
Druidfalconwolf: namarie :-)
Druidfalconwolf: oh yeah... are you still around, Menelvagor?
Druidfalconwolf: oh well... I'll be on later tonight if you want to try
the Magic game, k?
Druidfalconwolf has left the room.
VardaValar1 has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Happy Easter
VardaValar1: Expect low US turnout :-)
ArPharazonV: in a game, will be back in a few min
GilraenV has entered the room.
patente666gosse has entered the room.
GwaihirValar has entered the room.
patente666gosse has left the room.
VardaValar1: Going through the invite lists : )
ArPharazonV: ok, broke it off
ArPharazonV: Aiya all of you
VardaValar1: I think Fili crashed
VardaValar1: Easter has taken its toll of our US members
VardaValar1: Fangorn and Eowyn say hi : )
ArPharazonV: Haleth was here earlier, had to go, perhaps she'll be back
within the meeting
ArPharazonV: perhaps not
VardaValar1: That would be good : )
GwaihirValar: I'll be having to go afk shortly... birthday dinner(since
I work on my bday, we're having it a few days early ;-))
ArPharazonV: hiya, Fangorn and Eowyn
VardaValar1: Happy birthday, Gwaihir!
ArPharazonV: Happy birthday Eagle-lad!
VardaValar1: Maybe we can have a fast meeting : )
Eonwe Valar has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya : )
sila lumenn' omentielvo
VardaValar1: Member News:
joined us last meeting, and tried to be with us but just crashed
VardaValar1: Have to watch out for those Mirkwood rivers on the way
VardaValar1: We've had some people express interest in the guild,
mainly for the Encyc, from email and WoW
VardaValar1: Maybe we'll see some of them here sometime
VardaValar1: Gwaihir is about to have a birthday
VardaValar1: Any other Member news?
Menelvagor Valar: aye
boy and girl are showing up in WoW
VardaValar1: Go ahead, Menel : )
Menelvagor Valar: Haleth was
in here earlier, made a mistake about the time and had to go again, to
walk the dogs
VardaValar1: Sounds essential. Just ask Huan or Celegorm
Menelvagor Valar: also, on another note, DST has started in Europe, so
that it is in fact 6 PM EST
here right now
ArPharazonV: aye, it's midnight here :-) instead of 11pm
VardaValar1: That sounds like a reasonable time! Right while you are
VardaValar1: Poor Phar
Menelvagor Valar: or DST has ended, I never can tell them apart :-)
VardaValar1: It's 4pm here
GilraenV: all I understand is that I lost an hour's sleep
Menelvagor Valar: well, it is 12 AM, I just automatically transfer GMT
+1 to EST :-)
VardaValar1: You were pretty enough already, Gilraen :-)
VardaValar1: Amazing that you are awake and willing to be here, Menel.
Menelvagor Valar: 6 more months and you can sleep an hour extra Gilraen
Menelvagor Valar: hey, it is 6 PM for me, no biggie :-)
VardaValar1: Tolkien Encyc:
VardaValar1: Some of the Powers
page work and article Author pages
work is starting to show up online now
VardaValar1: Any other Web News?
VardaValar1: Menel? Eonwe?
VardaValar1: Guess not
Online MMORPG took yet another hit to its schedule
VardaValar1: They planned to come out this summer
VardaValar1: Turbine, Inc took over it and all H and Sil online
massively multiplayer games
VardaValar1: Now it is scheduled for 2006
VardaValar1: You are still stuck with me in WoW for at least another
VardaValar1: Speaking of WoW,
VardaValar1: we had our usual Friday get-together
VardaValar1: I saw Gwaihir just for a second as he went off, sorry I
missed you on WoW!
ArPharazonV: (nice bridge)
VardaValar1: Those who showed up were
VardaValar1: Haran, Auros,
VardaValar1: Vaiwalcin, Merryv,
VardaValar1: Aldaronvala, Linqil, Fainan
Druidfalconwolf has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Fangorn let me have the comp or he would have been there
instead of Fainan
VardaValar1: Two guild friends said hi, and maybe they can join us on
another Friday run
VardaValar1: Fellene and Fosco.
Druidfalconwolf: dogwalk postponed for another hour or so
GwaihirValar: hehe I was only on for a little bit
VardaValar1: Hour! Do the dogs understand that?
VardaValar1: Nice that you could drop in : )
GwaihirValar: *sighs* I wont be able to even make an appearance next
Druidfalconwolf: one dog.. when it comes to "Dinner will be one hour
GwaihirValar: but the week after I may be there for a bit
VardaValar1: With time, we can have enough people to have several
groups running, as we did a few times
GwaihirValar: I'll be gone from 1PM to 1AM next week
GwaihirValar: the week following... from about 4 Central to... god
VardaValar1: We have people on nearly all the time, so you can find at
least someone to chat with anytime you come
GwaihirValar: I work until 2:30... who knows when I'll get home hehe
VardaValar1: Fangorn sympathizes. He is gone for 2 weeks, home for one.
No way to game for those 2 weeks
VardaValar1: We have people playing all night who probably should be
asleep also ;-)
Druidfalconwolf: guilty as charged :-P
Menelvagor Valar: *whistles innocently*
GwaihirValar: my work schedule is gonna start becoming 'regular'....
VardaValar1: Anyway, Linqil, Auros, and Fainan went to Stranglethorn
and quested together
VardaValar1: *also whistles*
VardaValar1: We went to the Nesingwary Expedition Camp and picked up
the Pages and Raptor Mastery quests
VardaValar1: In the process, Auros and Fainan gained a level
Menelvagor Valar: grats!
VardaValar1: Linqil made our lives easy :-)
VardaValar1: Any other gaming news?
Druidfalconwolf: what game was this for?
Menelvagor Valar: WoW
Druidfalconwolf: brb, g2 steal another cookie
VardaValar1: World of WarCraft
Menelvagor Valar: did you know that Hemet Nesingwary is an alliteration
for Ernest Hemingway?
VardaValar1: We have a guild get-together every Friday
VardaValar1: Very cool : )
VardaValar1: I did not catch that. Very amusing
ArPharazonV: somehow that sounds kinda obvious... too obvious to
Druidfalconwolf: back... anyway, when's the get-together?
VardaValar1: We will have to watch for more
Menelvagor Valar: caught it on thottbot, while checking out where his
camp was, I simply couldn't find it :-)
VardaValar1: Officially at the same time as Sunday meetings, on Lothar
VardaValar1: Do you thiink you could come?
Menelvagor Valar: oh, reminds me, has anyone been to Scarlet Monastery
Druidfalconwolf: Lothar would also be on WoW?
Menelvagor Valar: aye, it's a server on WoW
VardaValar1: Yes, that is the server on WoW that we play in
ArPharazonV: a normal server, US
ArPharazonV: Alliance side
Druidfalconwolf: can't, don't have the game, sorry
GwaihirValar: I've been through Scarlet Monastery a number of times
VardaValar1: I got killed and graveyarded fairly near it if that counts
VardaValar1: We'll give you time ;-)
GwaihirValar: What dya wanna know about it? :-)
Menelvagor Valar: did you catch the secret boss?
GilraenV: I don't have it either
GwaihirValar: secret boss?
VardaValar1: We thought if we had enough people we would run a Horde
group too, but not enough show up
GwaihirValar: you'll have to elaborate... I've killed a lotta bosses in
Druidfalconwolf: if you waited for another 3 years... :-)
Druidfalconwolf: then I could get it
VardaValar1: We've been here over 7, could happen : )
Menelvagor Valar: in the 3rd instance, where you fight the 2 bosses
(with the nice cutscene where the 2nd one comes in and rezzes the first
GwaihirValar: oh, the one off to the side
GwaihirValar: through the wall?
GwaihirValar: ya, I've done it :-)
GwaihirValar: she drops nothing special
Menelvagor Valar: in the hallway to the right, last room on the left,
there is a torch that can be switched to reveal a undead boss
GwaihirValar: hehe my pet attacked her by accident(pathed through the
'door' before we opened it)
Menelvagor Valar: haha :-)
GwaihirValar: but alas, I muist got afk to get ready for and then eat
dinner... be back later everyone :-)
VardaValar1: Eat some cake for us!
Menelvagor Valar: ever seen an 800 damage critical strike?
patente666gosse has entered the room.
Menelvagor Valar: (not counting the 400 damage over 27 secs that come
after it :-)
VardaValar1: Played with Linqil and watched Annatar : )
VardaValar1: Welcome back
Menelvagor Valar: Aiya
VardaValar1: Menel, maybe you two could take the WoW to a private side
chat : )
Menelvagor Valar: oh yeah, my mage got her horse today :-)
ArPharazonV: what color?
VardaValar1: Not on Lothar though, I assume
Menelvagor Valar: black
Menelvagor Valar: still on europe :-(
ArPharazonV: Argent Dawn, still?
Menelvagor Valar: the only place for a black horse I have found is
Druidfalconwolf: I'll also congrats, even if I have no clue what I'm
Menelvagor Valar: aye, Phar
VardaValar1: Orome and Arathorn and Merry are on WoW right now, and
VardaValar1: and Elatan is on WoW too
VardaValar1: The info is coming live from Eowyn talking to me : )
Menelvagor Valar: you're congratulating on weeks of horror on leveling
and gathering the massive 90g needed for the horse
VardaValar1: He had to work up to level 40
VardaValar1: It is a big thing to get your mount. Speeds you up a lot
Druidfalconwolf: then double congrats?
VardaValar1: Fili, what game do you play mostly?
Menelvagor Valar: and if you divide the gold you get in Diablo by about
10.000 or perhaps 100.000 you get the amount of gold in WoW
VardaValar1: You play Diablo 1?
ArPharazonV: aye, 90 g is a lot
Menelvagor Valar: thankfully, a Guildie loaned me the 20g I was missing
patente666gosse: mmmmmmmmm so if i ave 1 gold
patente666gosse: in WoW i ave 100 000 in d1 !!!! nice
Menelvagor Valar: uhm... d2 would be more likely :-)
Menelvagor Valar: d1 is another story :-)
patente666gosse: SAME THING
VardaValar1: We had a D1 group play after a meeting because of you : )
You reminded us
Menelvagor Valar: nope
patente666gosse: well your rigth
Menelvagor Valar: d1 is another matter, because the 5k cap per
VardaValar1: Haleth, what is your main game?
patente666gosse: things in d2 are to expensive
Eonwe Valar: Btw everyone, Happy Easter :}
VardaValar1: Happy Easter to you too, Eonwe : )
Druidfalconwolf: Happy Easter everyone
ArPharazonV: yes, Happy Easter
patente666gosse: ill need to reinstall it one day
patente666gosse: yes ArPharazonV: yes, Happy Easter
VardaValar1: Eonwe, we have another live one in WC3 for you now ;-)
Menelvagor Valar: oh, I got some other member news :-)
VardaValar1: Go ahead, Menel
patente666gosse: ho im playng the d2 xpention now ...
Menelvagor Valar: As you know, I had my birthday last week
Eonwe Valar: Another live one?
Menelvagor Valar: and my dad got me a copy of Letters, bless him
VardaValar1: Yay! Excellent!
Eonwe Valar: congrats Menelvagor
Menelvagor Valar: yeah, was stunned
VardaValar1: I expect some more articles as you take notes ;-)
Druidfalconwolf: awesome, I was going to get that eventually after
VardaValar1: That is a truly excellent bit of reading, and a nice index
ArPharazonV: I'm jealous...
Menelvagor Valar: is that a hint Varda? ;-)
VardaValar1: No - outright begging ;-)
ArPharazonV: oh well, I'll have to pick up the book some day myself
ArPharazonV: together with pictures
Druidfalconwolf: oh yeah, I have a question
Menelvagor Valar: duely noted :-)
VardaValar1: I still want Morgoth's Ring : )
Druidfalconwolf: I'm reading it right now, actually :-D
VardaValar1: Take notes and see if you can toss some to the Encyc : )
ArPharazonV: first thing I want to buy next is Pictures, actually
Druidfalconwolf: ok, but actually, I had two questions: one, are the
VardaValar1: That would be under our Tolkien chat section
Menelvagor Valar: note to self: buy new notebook as old is full
VardaValar1: But go ahead and list your topics since you started
Druidfalconwolf: and in the SIlmarillion, were their children of the
VardaValar1: ok - both good ones
VardaValar1: We now have 4 topics :-)
ArPharazonV: 4? busy meeting today
Druidfalconwolf: It mentioned something about "Valarindi" in MR, and I
wondered if it was also mentioned in the Silmarillion
VardaValar1: Generally people whisper their topics to the chair so we
can put them in some kind of order
Druidfalconwolf: ah, sorry, I'll do that next time
VardaValar1: You are still learning and this can help Fili too
VardaValar1: Learning is a good thing : )
VardaValar1: Any further business before we go Tolkien happy?
ArPharazonV: when are we going to start section 4 of the RP?
ArPharazonV: still waiting for responses?
VardaValar1: for those who do not know
ArPharazonV: we're having a MeO RP on the forum
VardaValar1: Phar is referring to our Middle-earth role-play text on
the guild's Forum
ArPharazonV: there's still room for new players, right?
Druidfalconwolf: ty for explaining
VardaValar1: Would either Fili or Haleth like to join?
Druidfalconwolf: yes please
VardaValar1: We are in a good spot to add new players, elf or dwarf
currently being the easiest
Druidfalconwolf: Do we create our own characters?
VardaValar1: See if you can find it first
VardaValar1: Can you find the Forum?
Eonwe Valar: Depends on what you mean by "create" :}
Menelvagor Valar: http://valarguild.proboards22.com
VardaValar1: Looking at it will answer a lot of questions
VardaValar1: If you use the general http://valarguild.org
Druidfalconwolf: yes I can find the forum... Menel, you should know
since I discovered that you changed my avvy!!
VardaValar1: you can click Forum
VardaValar1: We are also telling people who will read the transcript
VardaValar1: Rarely are our directions just for one person
LouieKisKowsKi has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya Elros : )
LouieKisKowsKi: yaya elros
Druidfalconwolf: umm, what section is it in?
VardaValar1: We are currently taking new players for the Middle-earth
text rp on our Forum, Elros, if you are interested
ArPharazonV: the Middle-Earth Online section
VardaValar1: Go to the Middle-earth Online section
LouieKisKowsKi: i cant do text rp
VardaValar1: Then fake it like we do ;-)
LouieKisKowsKi: sorry, it is a good thing though I believe
patente666gosse: ho sombody knows how it require for computer?
LouieKisKowsKi: I am in a rough spot, living mine is being hard enough
to not rp another these days
VardaValar1: We do it across the week to handle everyone's schedule
Menelvagor Valar: http://valarguild.proboards22.com/index.cgi?board=MEORP
VardaValar1: It can be done on any computer that can surf the Internet
LouieKisKowsKi: gwaihir, I knew another Tolkien nut by that name once
before, did you ever frequent prodigy?
Druidfalconwolf: this is just a regular RPG right?
VardaValar1: Doesn't even have to be yours
VardaValar1: No, it's ours. ;-)
VardaValar1: We based it on Middle-earth Online, which uses a
corruption/redemption theme, but mostly on the idea in the Fellowship
LouieKisKowsKi: I am sorry to leave you all so quickly, I hope
everything is great i hope I have more time next week too
VardaValar1: in which Elrond sends scouts ahead of the Fellowship to
find the best way to go
LouieKisKowsKi: good evening
Druidfalconwolf: count me in, as soon as I have a character ready
ArPharazonV: heheh.... just rereading the beginning of the
comment-thread... the confusion of the two roads brings back memories
VardaValar1: No problem. Transcript available
ArPharazonV: Namarie, Elros
LouieKisKowsKi has left the room.
VardaValar1: It's a good idea to read over it to understand how we are
VardaValar1: and for the fun of it
VardaValar1: We have a thread just for OOC
ArPharazonV: we don't use sign-up sheets etc, just make our skills and
background up as we go along
VardaValar1: We use it to discuss things
VardaValar1: I knew mine before I started writing, Phar
ArPharazonV: you did? well, I sure didn't, I guess
Eonwe Valar: I had a pretty good idea of mine as well.
ArPharazonV: I had some skills in the back of my head, but most of it
came on the spot
VardaValar1: Best to know who you are so you can write with a knowledge
of your character's goals
VardaValar1: That helps set up what you do and what your conflicts are
VardaValar1: We just didn't write it all out like Elatan did
ArPharazonV: hmm... have to remember that for next time :-)
Druidfalconwolf: ok, I will
VardaValar1: You should know who you are even if you don't know
anything else : )
ArPharazonV: different ideas for different backgrounds dancing in my
head all the time.... I even was an officer in the Bo5A one time
VardaValar1: So who here is planning on being in the next part of the
Druidfalconwolf: me! :-D
VardaValar1: Pick just one for us, Phar
VardaValar1: There's one :-)
VardaValar1: I'm in, as Fainan
ArPharazonV: I've already establishes it now, with my family introduced
ArPharazonV: I'm in too... perhaps on two fronts
Menelvagor Valar: Estarion signing up!
patente666gosse: Im in 2 as Fili
VardaValar1: You might want a made up name, Fili, to handle the
Menelvagor Valar: we try not to pick any real characters from the Books
for this, Fili
ArPharazonV: at the time of our RP, your real character is long dead :-(
VardaValar1: Otherwise you have to play the real Fili, and that is very
tough and strait-jacketing
Druidfalconwolf: Azshuran, new character
ArPharazonV: not to mention Fili's dead
VardaValar1: We could visit your grave? : )
GwaihirValar: he could play as a Dwarf named after Fili....
GwaihirValar: in honour, etc.
ArPharazonV: Fili the second
VardaValar1: Take time and figure it out. You don't have to do it all
VardaValar1: So we have Eonwe, Fili, Menel, me
VardaValar1: Anyone else?
ArPharazonV: ArPharazonV: I'm in too... perhaps on two fronts
VardaValar1: and Pharazon twice ;-)
VardaValar1: Helvy should stay back in Mirkwood really. We might kill
ArPharazonV: yes, I know
ArPharazonV: as I stated in my post
VardaValar1: Nice group : )
ArPharazonV: Calaron said he'll be fighting by his side
VardaValar1: So you will be talking to yourself? : )
Menelvagor Valar: question, does it say anywhere that wolves were being
regarded as evil in general=
ArPharazonV: Calaron and Helvy remain in Mirkwood
ArPharazonV: Calion will be going to Erebor
Eonwe Valar: They tended to be used by evil powers, however.
VardaValar1: In our story, Auros regards Helvy as evil
Druidfalconwolf: wait... can you ve an animal/creature?
ArPharazonV: they probably won't see each other for a long while
VardaValar1: He's our leader
VardaValar1: He has a pet
Eonwe Valar: Draugluin, Carcharoth,..
ArPharazonV: 'personal project'
VardaValar1: We are trying to offload it : )
Menelvagor Valar: has any of you read the comic series `Elf Quest`?
VardaValar1: I did
ArPharazonV: PErsonal projecT
VardaValar1: Borrowed it from Elwing : )
Menelvagor Valar: I was thinking of basing my character on one of the
VardaValar1: Remember this is Tolkien
Menelvagor Valar: or at least, the Wolf Riding bit :-)
VardaValar1: No half elf, half wolf
Eonwe Valar: Um, Elves don't ride Wolves if that's what you're getting
ArPharazonV: wolf riding? not Helvy, right?
VardaValar1: Our horses would not like it, and it is not Tolkien
ArPharazonV: he'll be staying behind
Menelvagor Valar: nah, Helvy is too small
ArPharazonV: psshh... just because he isn't a warg...
Menelvagor Valar: more like a wolf the size of a pony :-)
Menelvagor Valar: and not Wargs, they be evil
VardaValar1: It is not Tolkien
Eonwe Valar: Anything big enough to ride is a Warg, and those are
servants of the Dark Lord
patente666gosse: Hmmm i must go... well see ya all next week
patente666gosse has left the room.
VardaValar1: He was to intro the first topic and we took too long with
Druidfalconwolf: I do too
VardaValar1: It will still be good next time
Menelvagor Valar: well, as basically nothing is known of the Elves that
remained at Cuivienen, I can more or less make things up, right?
VardaValar1: That drops your two topics :-)
ArPharazonV: you have to go? dogs again?
Druidfalconwolf: well, it was postponed
ArPharazonV: right, Menel... but wolves?
VardaValar1: We know some, Menel. Don't cross that little bit
Eonwe Valar: There's stuff to be found in HoME as I recall
Druidfalconwolf: and I did chores... NOW I go walking
ArPharazonV: ah, ok
VardaValar1: Walking is good
ArPharazonV: have fun
Druidfalconwolf: anyway, I might get online later
Menelvagor Valar: good thing I checked on it first :-)
Druidfalconwolf has left the room.
Eonwe Valar: and there's still some lines that by what we have were not
meant to be crossed.
ArPharazonV: ... Helvy's staying, and that's flat
VardaValar1: Remember this rp is Tolkien.
Menelvagor Valar: as I said, good thing I checked on it first :-)
VardaValar1: Fine, but he is not a mount : )
ArPharazonV: of course not
VardaValar1: And he is not welcome around our horses
ArPharazonV: he's like a watch-dog
Menelvagor Valar: certainly not, was never intending to use him as a
Eonwe Valar: Hopefulyl your people can keep a better eye on a wolf than
they did on Gollum :}
ArPharazonV: I don't think Helvy will climb a tree and refuse to climb
VardaValar1: I have a bow that might help
VardaValar1: No, but he will spook the horses
Eonwe Valar: He may run off, though, and orcs could help that :}
VardaValar1: We should have shown that in the earlier part I guess
Menelvagor Valar: not to be offensive, Auros, but your people
didn´t do so well containing Morgoth either, fighting amongst
ArPharazonV: he has a hatred for all things infected by the.. Gulhuine,
Eonwe Valar: It was the Oath of Fëanor,.. what's your excuse? :}
ArPharazonV: tough talk, Menel, now that you're no longer one of them?
Eonwe Valar: Don't worry Menelvagor, I'm taking it in stride :} You're
attacking the Noldor, not me :}
Menelvagor Valar: I wasn´t born yet :-)
Eonwe Valar: Neither was Auros :}
Menelvagor Valar: true, true
Menelvagor Valar: and of course, Estarion has no, or little knowledge
about those events
Eonwe Valar: afk for a bit,.. food
VardaValar1: For your scroll, Eonwe, our excuse was excessive
kindheartedness : )
Menelvagor Valar: and it was not all the Noldor, not even all of the
people of Feanor
VardaValar1: The Noldor did not have that problem in too great an excess
VardaValar1: Although Finrod had a lot
Menelvagor Valar: even Maedhros tried to undo what the Oaths had wrought
Menelvagor Valar: of course, it was a futile attempt
VardaValar1: aye, he was not happy about it
VardaValar1: Not even Finrod could dodge the Oath
Menelvagor Valar: and Thingol wouldn´t
VardaValar1: Menel, you are the only surviving topic person : )
VardaValar1: We seem to have found another though. The rp is good for
Menelvagor Valar: aye =)
VardaValar1: Menel's topic from earlier was Maeglin's
VardaValar1: Thingol was not under the Oath
VardaValar1: he was affected by it
Menelvagor Valar: Finrod didn´t take the Oath as I recall
VardaValar1: The kinslaying changed the way he treated the Noldor
Menelvagor Valar: anyways, my topic is from BoLT
VardaValar1: Finrod was Finarfin's eldest son so that brought him in
VardaValar1: Finarfin went back to Aman, but
VardaValar1: Ok, Menel, go ahead I guess
Menelvagor Valar: we all know that Maeglin dug deep into the Echoriath,
eventually exiting the protective circle of mountains around Gondolin
and was eventually captured
Menelvagor Valar: and brought before Morgoth
Menelvagor Valar: there he was put under a spell and sent back to
Menelvagor Valar: now my question is, in what ways did Meaglin betray
his people that eventually led to the fall of Gondolin and the
destruction of the Gondolindrim (or most of it)
VardaValar1: The first would be his interest in Idril
ArPharazonV: he betrayed the exact ways over the mountains and the
exact location of Gondolin to Sauron, right?
Menelvagor Valar: that led to his betrayal I think
VardaValar1: He also had the outsider feeling from being Eol's son
Menelvagor Valar: to Morgoth even Phar
ArPharazonV: to Morgoth?
VardaValar1: Aye, he told the way in to Morgoth's people
ArPharazonV: ah, of course, Sauron was already defeated
Menelvagor Valar: yes, he was brought before Morgoth himself
ArPharazonV: confused with Barahir's story now...
Menelvagor Valar: now it is a while since I read the full story on the
fall of Gondolin
Menelvagor Valar: but from what I read and what I remember, there is
one aspect of his betrayal
Menelvagor Valar: Salgant, the leader the People of Harp was craven and
feigned upon Meaglin
Menelvagor Valar: I believe that Salgant retreated from the battle and
ordered his people out
Menelvagor Valar: later, the People of Harp, ashamed by Salgant
returned to the battle and fought valiantly in the city´s
defense, until none of them were left
VardaValar1: BoLT 2 for Salgant
Menelvagor Valar: just read up on that part
Menelvagor Valar: Turgon had ordered the people of the Harp to aid
Glorfindel and Tuor
VardaValar1: Now I know what you mean. Salgent fawned on Meglin/Maeglin.
Menelvagor Valar: but Salgant withheld those orders from them and
ordered them to defend some remote market
Menelvagor Valar: then the people of the Harp, when Glorfindel was
about to be swept away broke away from their lord and fell upon the
pursuers of Glorfindel and utterly redeemed the cravenhood of their lord
Menelvagor Valar: with great wrath they fell upon and swarmed over the
enemy, where most were trapped by a serpent there
VardaValar1: hmm, just found the House of the Tree in that fight, all
of them apparently, so we have another Legolas of Gondolin reference. :
Menelvagor Valar: The other part of the betrayal, was Maeglin and
Salgant playing upon Turgon´s weakness, the City of Gondolin and
TheSirG3 has entered the room.
VardaValar1: That first sounds like you are talking about Salgant more
VardaValar1: Aiya Farmer : )
bnetValar has entered the room.
Menelvagor Valar: Where Tuor and Ecthelion and all the other lords
would abandon the city and break from the siege, whether in one great
host, or different packs spreading in different directions
VardaValar1: Talking about Maeglin's betrayal of Gondolin
bnetValar: ArPharazonV (SigmaChat): contact! woohoo!
TheSirG3: Aiya, sorry about not having the bridge up, I went out to eat
and forgot to put it up before I left
VardaValar1: Figured Easter got you
VardaValar1: Menel is discussing the BoLT version
ArPharazonV: the only version in detail of the Fall of Gondolin..
Menelvagor Valar: true, Varda, but that concerns Maeglin´s
betrayal as well, for if Maeglin would not have betrayed Gondolin,
Salgant would not have made this decision which may have lead to the
ultimate doom of Gondolin
Menelvagor Valar: at any rate, the 2nd one I just brought up is the
VardaValar1: The Sil shows some changes, but plenty of BoLT details are
Menelvagor Valar: as Maeglin and Salgant convinced Turgon to defend the
VardaValar1: Staying behind the walls instead of going to the attack
could be considered one.
VardaValar1: Or at least not good tactics
Menelvagor Valar: well, the attack was more of a break-free attempt to
save the Gondolindrim, more than it was to defend in attack
Menelvagor Valar: if you know what I mean :-)
Menelvagor Valar: in any case, Gondolin would fall, there would have
been less casualties if they had sallied forth and fought their way out
Menelvagor Valar: Gondolin was strong and well-manned, had Morgoth sent
out a lesser host, it would have stood victorious on that day
VardaValar1: You're right. Meglin wanted the confusion in the gate and
city so he could grab Idril
Menelvagor Valar: aye
Menelvagor Valar: for the People of the Mole (who were Maeglins people)
fell upon Tuor and his men while they were defending the gate
Menelvagor Valar: that was Maeglin´s 3rd betrayal
VardaValar1: Salgant was a bad bird too. That he would be willing to go
along with Meglin, delaying Tuor and getting him into the worst fighting
Menelvagor Valar: aye
Menelvagor Valar: that´s why I am pointing out Salgant as part of
VardaValar1: Meglin saw a way to keep Morgoth off his back and have his
heart's desire. Stick and carrot.
Menelvagor Valar: not one he worked directly, but certainly affected it
VardaValar1: I agree with you
Menelvagor Valar: well, Morgoth did promise him his hearts desire in
return for the location of Gondolin
Menelvagor Valar: for Morgoth perceived that Maeglin was still strong
of will and heart
Menelvagor Valar: Meaglin would not have broken, if not for the promise
ArPharazonV: you know, somebody should make a video game of the fall of
Gondolin... or at least a movie... this stuff is great
VardaValar1: Salgant was "heavy and squat". His build suggests he is
not quite like the other elves. A bit of sneaky writing there
Menelvagor Valar: if I knew how to work the TFT map editor, I would
have done so a long time ago, Phar :-)
Menelvagor Valar: aye
VardaValar1: Better start making the video now, Phar
Menelvagor Valar: and of all the Gondothlim alone, Salgant rode into
Menelvagor Valar: although he never actually reached the battle
ArPharazonV: combine the Coming to Gondolin with the Fall of Gondolin,
and you have something great... oh well, perhaps one day...
VardaValar1: Salgant may have been too heavy to keep up, needed a horse
VardaValar1: Like tomorrow, right? ; )
ArPharazonV: hmm... can I quote something from the pre-meeting?
Menelvagor Valar: Phar, in BoLT it describes both the coming to
Gondolin as the Fall of Gondolin in the chapter `Fall of Gondolin`
VardaValar1: Cool, even as a little thing Earendil fights Meglin
ArPharazonV: aye, but though I haven't read the fall of gondolin in a
while, I seem to recall that the story of UT was a lot more detailed in
that part of the story
Menelvagor Valar: although there are some differences between the Sil
version of the Coming to Gondolin and the BoLT version, as well as some
gaps not handled by Sil
Menelvagor Valar: errr... make that UT, thanks Phar :-)
VardaValar1: Lots of places to dig up info. Drives me crazy, especially
since they don't all match neatly
ArPharazonV: iron out the differences, and you have a great combined
Menelvagor Valar: true, Phar, the Coming to Gondolin is way more
detailed in UT than BoLT, but BoLT fills in some gaps of UT
VardaValar1: Jump all over trying to find the right references. They
were just notes, not intended by JRRT for publishing
ArPharazonV: that's why I said, combine them, Menel
Menelvagor Valar: hehe :-)
VardaValar1: It would be interesting to try to combine all the
references. Which of you wants to try it?
Eonwe Valar: back
VardaValar1: Poor Chris, trying to make it all make sense
ArPharazonV: but anyway, Varda, concerning that game/map: ArPharazonV:
but I've been planning a series of campaigns about ME for a long time,
though nothing has come of it yetArPharazonV: lazy me...
Menelvagor Valar: I am still trying to get an accurate story on Turgon,
from Sil, BoLT and UT
Menelvagor Valar: not an easy job, as there is lots and lots of info on
VardaValar1: Pick a time to do it each week. If you don't do it then,
you have to work on it the next day. : )
ArPharazonV: heh... just what I need... less time for my studies...
Menelvagor Valar: ai.... make a schedule you mean....?
VardaValar1: It won't be accurate, unless you show all the versions in
VardaValar1: egads! a schedule!
Menelvagor Valar: yikes!
VardaValar1: Studies come first, aye
Menelvagor Valar: no studies yet
ArPharazonV: I hate schedules... I can make them, but keeping to them
is a different story
VardaValar1: The schedule is a trick to fit stuff in what you are
Menelvagor Valar: but may be good practice for making schedules for my
VardaValar1: They are more...guidelines.
Menelvagor Valar: err....
VardaValar1: To go with Pirates
VardaValar1: Anyway, you had three betrayals by Meglin?
VardaValar1: main ones, anyway?
VardaValar1: Want to recap?
Menelvagor Valar: play WoW.... sleep.... play WoW.... sleep.... play
CS..... play WoW.... crash WoW.... play CS.... play WoW... sleep....
play WoW.... visit mom.... play WoW before bed.... sleep
Menelvagor Valar: that´s the jist of my schedule
Menelvagor Valar: 3 betrayals right now
VardaValar1: Visit mom was in there : )
VardaValar1: Ah, you have some more to list? Go for it!
Menelvagor Valar: 1st: betraying the location of Gondolin to Morgoth
Eonwe Valar: Wish I could have that schedule
Menelvagor Valar: 2nd: Convincing Turgon to defend the city, basically
sacraficing his people
Menelvagor Valar: 3rd: Attacking Tuor at the gates
ArPharazonV: sacra... sacri... not sure
VardaValar1: (He does too Eonwe)
Eonwe Valar: replacing CS with WotR, TFT, console games, or reading :}
Menelvagor Valar: sacrificing, right Phar
VardaValar1: aye, Menel
Menelvagor Valar: and the last of his betrayals:
Menelvagor Valar: the kidnapping of Idril
VardaValar1: Well capped.
Menelvagor Valar: while the walls had mostly fallen, and heavy battle
was being waged in the streets of Gondolin
ArPharazonV: so far I have studies, style-dancing, tv, tolkien, the
web, morrowind, tft.... and soon WoW will come into that...
Menelvagor Valar: Maeglin snuck out to take Idril for his own
Menelvagor Valar: now lets see what happened between the kidnapping and
Tuor catching up to him :'
Menelvagor Valar: reading :-)
VardaValar1: We are in BoLT 2 for those following
ArPharazonV: pssh... I know how it ends... Maeglin gets tossed off the
ArPharazonV: just like the fate of his daddy
Menelvagor Valar: as was predicted by Eol before he was tossed off the
VardaValar1: Meglin dragging Idril by the hair and stabbing at the
fighting Earendil child ticked Tuor pretty badly
ArPharazonV: hmm... Eol smote the wall three times, I recall... was
that the case also with Maeglin
VardaValar1: Broke his arm grabbing it and chucked him over
VardaValar1: and it fell into flames
ArPharazonV: sounds painful
VardaValar1: "and the name of Meglin has gone out in shame from among
Eldar and Noldoli."
VardaValar1: But Meglins's evil influence continues
VardaValar1: as his people of the Mole then attack Tuor for his killing
of their lord
VardaValar1: He gets helped by his own people, leaves Idril under
guard, and finally goes to defend the gate
VardaValar1: He was delayed a lot by Meglin
VardaValar1: I doubt if he could have stopped it, but a house divided
like that is much weaker
Menelvagor Valar: aye
ArPharazonV: Meglin did his job well...
ArPharazonV: and got his just reward, it seems
Menelvagor Valar: actually, he did a poor job
ArPharazonV: but hey, who am I to talk :-D
Menelvagor Valar: for both Idril and Tuor escaped with their son
VardaValar1: You are Ar-Pharazon the Golden :-)
Menelvagor Valar: and Earendil as we know, later pleaded before the
Valar and brought about the downfall of Morgoth
Menelvagor Valar: so, in retrospect, the betrayal of Maeglin brought a
greater good with it
VardaValar1: Eru rigged all the designs of Morgoth to turn to good,
like it or not. This is a good example.
Menelvagor Valar: for if Gondolin had not fallen, Earendil would have
stayed in Gondolin until all the world was Morgoth´s, ere
Gondolin itself would have fallen, and no one would have escaped
Menelvagor Valar: praise be to Eru! :-D
ArPharazonV: I don't think Morgoth liked Eru after that...
Eonwe Valar: Don't think he liked Eru before that :}
VardaValar1: Jealous of him from early on
Menelvagor Valar: how come I didn't see that coming lol :-)
Menelvagor Valar: but yep, that was my topic
ArPharazonV: and a good topic it was
Menelvagor Valar: I think we've had it all :-)
VardaValar1: Excellent topic!
VardaValar1: Thank you Menelvagor!
Menelvagor Valar: and for once not a "what-if" topic from me :-)
VardaValar1: Very well done.
Menelvagor Valar: finally one that was constricted to its own without
all that much room to deviate, as we are masters in :-)
VardaValar1: Shall we rest on your laurels and call it "After-meeting"
VardaValar1: We could have deviated
VardaValar1: I had to pull back ; )
Menelvagor Valar: definitely :-)
Menelvagor Valar: same thing here :-)
VardaValar1: Happy After-meeting, then : )
TheSirG3: Anybody happen to have a plot idea for a Diablo 1 type game?
Menelvagor Valar: but usually a topic is embedded in so much other
material, that deviation is hard to avoid
Menelvagor Valar: and this topic had a couple, but less than usual
ArPharazonV: sorry, I don't carry plot ideas anymore since I read
VardaValar1: How about the Fall of Gondolin with triggers in SC? :-)
Like Battle of Osgiliath
VardaValar1: Plot idea for D1? Not sure what you mean. Like Quest for 3
or Iron Man or Dungeon Provides?
Menelvagor Valar: I couldn't get beyond an "evo" Tolkien like game for
ArPharazonV: ok, how about a necklace that grants immortality, and an
evil sorcerer (who just happens to be the brother-in-law of the main
character), who claims the necklace for his own, and corrupts the
artefact with his own evil spells?
VardaValar1: What is "evo"? Sounds like evolution
Menelvagor Valar: evolution, aye
ArPharazonV: oh, wait, that's my own unfinished tale... hmm.... I have
a lot of work waiting for me
TheSirG3: Some kind of plot that allows for some hack and slash
fighting, using an 2d isometric game engine
Menelvagor Valar: I had 4 different players, 2 good, 2 bad side
Menelvagor Valar: different units on each side
VardaValar1: A D1 mod, then, not a style
TheSirG3: not really a mod as I'd be writing the whole game
VardaValar1: Have you played the Middle-earth mod for D1?
TheSirG3: hm, not for D1
Eonwe Valar: I've got a plot idea! you see, there are these
rocks that hold spirits. They're called "Spirit Rocks" and there's a
Guy who knows alot about them named Bain...
Menelvagor Valar: and, as it should be, different intro tales for each
player as the game is started :-)
VardaValar1: Piers Anthony ;-)
VardaValar1: I really need to drag myself out of here
Eonwe Valar: And adventurers have to go into this Chapel to find the
source of the tainting
Menelvagor Valar: oh well, enough about myself already, time to get
those special features watched and over with for "Final Fantasy: The
Spirits Within" :-)
Eonwe Valar: fighting through 15 levels separated into 5 "cave-crawler"
VardaValar1: Go Eonwe : )
Eonwe Valar: at the 14th level they find out the Arch-monk Malagas is
trying to bring back Iago, the Lord of Ferrets.
VardaValar1: Just go with a D&D board game and Eonwe's design
there, and you have a game
VardaValar1: Lord of Ferrets? Has Elwing-(V) heard about this?
ArPharazonV: Menel, how's our ad&d game going? any plans yet for a
Eonwe Valar: The adventurer founds out he's too late, and that Iago is
awaiting him on the 15th level surrounded by sinks and buses
ArPharazonV: sinks and buses?
Eonwe Valar: Alerogs, lizards,..
ArPharazonV: starting to remind me of Earthworm Jim...
VardaValar1: Alerogs. They into kegs?
Eonwe Valar: but it's not that easy, nooo..
ArPharazonV: when you kill him, he comes back in a more powerful shape,
ArPharazonV: and can make summons of his own?
ArPharazonV: go go Dungeon Siege!
Eonwe Valar: you have to fight in pathways, and find the switch to open
each room, filled with these creatures
Eonwe Valar: and in the final room is Iago himself, surrounded by
ferrets! Oh the Humanity!
VardaValar1: Hard on us distance players, huh? Melee will have to
handle this one.
ArPharazonV: nothing what a good greatsword can't accomplish
VardaValar1: If you kill them, they become Undead Ferrets of Doom
Eonwe Valar: And then, if you defeat the Lord of Ferrets, your
character doesn't destroy the Spirit Rock..
VardaValar1: ow Eonwe! Good one
Eonwe Valar: He swallows it! That way you can make a sequel where Iago
comes back to find a bride :}
VardaValar1: At least it's not in his forehead
TheSirG3: lol, certainly some usable ideas there
Eonwe Valar: Ok, improv game design done :}
ArPharazonV: his forehead... hmm... where does that idea come from?
ArPharazonV: ah, ok
TheSirG3: was it the runestone?
ArPharazonV: definitely need to play it solo once... oh, so many things
to do, and so little time to do it
VardaValar1: Great game there, Eonwe! : )
VardaValar1: Now is good, Phar
ArPharazonV: during the meeting? right
Eonwe Valar: Thanks :}
VardaValar1: It's over
ArPharazonV: and I still want to finish Morrowind first, before I throw
myself in any other SP-game :-)
VardaValar1: We are just goofing around now
VardaValar1: I'll leave so it will look more officially over ;-)
VardaValar1: I will pretend not to notice any fruit cannons.
ArPharazonV: *rolls cannon from behind a nearby wall*
VardaValar1: hmm - *busy not seeing cannon*
Eonwe Valar: take care :}
ArPharazonV: *looks around him with sneaky face*
VardaValar1 has left the room.
ArPharazonV: Varda's departure always leaves a silence, doesn't it?
ArPharazonV: well, guess it's time to save then
ArPharazonV (20:07:52): saved
Eonwe Valar (20:09:07): afk for a sec
ArPharazonV (20:11:48): sent
ArPharazonV (20:13:52): well, I'll be going then
ArPharazonV (20:13:58): perhaps a small game, perhaps to bed
ArPharazonV (20:14:01): Namarie
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Eonwe Valar (20:28:43): back
Eonwe Valar (20:28:56): I guess the going is good so I'll get going :}
Eonwe Valar (20:29:07): take care and good night :}
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