Valar Guild

July 17, 2005 Meeting

5pm ESDT (GMT -5)

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Bridging program by Farmer Maggot-(V)
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Transcript by: Varda-(Valar)

Attending: (10)
    Members: ArathornValar, Elros-(V)/LouieKisKowsKi, Finwe-(V)/aranfinwe, FladrifV, GilraenV, GwaihirValar, Menelvagor Valar, Olwe-(V)/FallenGlory, Ulmo-(Valar)/HeruRasa, VardaValar1/bnetValar/Bridge (presiding)
    Guest: AuSteinM (joined today as Tolkien-only)

Before meeting
Meeting begins
    AuSteinM joins as a Tolkien-only member during the web news
    Elros-(V) now has internet again after moving to his new home, dropped in during the after-meeting when most were gone or afk
    Tolkien Encyclopedia 
       Art, more
    Games Page
    New server space to handle images from AuSteinM
        Master First Aid Quest in after-meeting
    Guild Wars review from Olwe-(V)
    The waters of Ulmo
After meeting

You have just entered room "valarguildmeetingplace."
aranfinwe has entered the room.
FladrifV has entered the room.
aranfinwe: aiyas
VardaValar1: Aiya!
FladrifV: Aiya
VardaValar1: I think I've got the bridge working :-)
bnetValar: Varda-(Valar) (Bnet): Working from Public Channel Valar in
FallenGlory has entered the room.
bnetValar: Varda (SigmaChat): Working from SigmaChat
ArathornValar: woohoo! no more swimming we have a bridge! :-D
VardaValar1: hehe
VardaValar1: Fangorn is in WoW and says he saw only Arathorn who left and is now with us here! :-)
VardaValar1: I assume the IRC bridge is working. That's one I can't check
GilraenV has entered the room.
AuSteinM has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya :-)
AuSteinM: hi
GilraenV: Aiya folks
VardaValar1: Khamul's software won't let him in
AuSteinM: Sometimes exiting and signing back on fixes that
GwaihirValar has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Passed on your suggestion
VardaValar1: Aiya Eagle :-)
VardaValar1: No reply or afk message, but it's passed on :-)
GwaihirValar: g'day! I am alive indeed
VardaValar1: Even after all that work! Manwe must be a hard taskmaster
VardaValar1: Is anyone else going to try to help save the transcript today?
VardaValar1: I am hoping not to crash with all these bridges up : )

VardaValar1: Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo
VardaValar1: Membership News:
VardaValar1: We've had several people ask about joining, one who crashed in the middle of his test on WoW, but who will probably moving onto EverQuest
VardaValar1: No new folks this week
VardaValar1: Do any of you have member news?
VardaValar1: Please say Hi if you are here : )
aranfinwe: I'm here
VardaValar1: Hi
aranfinwe: sporadically maybe
VardaValar1: Yay Finwe!
aranfinwe: but here
VardaValar1: And the only one to say hi ;-)

VardaValar1: Web News:
aranfinwe: lol
GwaihirValar: hehe I'm sorta here... hehe
AuSteinM: Hi (though not a member)
VardaValar1: The Encyclopedia continues to be worked on
ArathornValar: IH
VardaValar1: You're alive. Good enough, AuStein :-)
GilraenV: (alive, just about)
VardaValar1: hehe - help her stay awake, Gwai!
VardaValar1: Those of you who sent in articles, I'm trying to get all your articles included in your author's pages, but they are not complete
VardaValar1: I'm adding them as I go through making each article separate so we can eventually find them all by using A-Z as well as the current subject headings
VardaValar1: Any other Web news? Cool Tolkien links?
ArathornValar: I have a blanket question for web
VardaValar1: Go ahead
VardaValar1: I am also rebuilding the Art page, nearly forgot to mention, with original art only. Sculptures and other goodies are also included
ArathornValar: Does anyone know of a web site ...
ArathornValar: that allows picture uploads but does NOT change the names after upload?
VardaValar1: Farmer Maggot's
VardaValar1: He is offering us picture space
ArathornValar: we found a few but thet change the names of the files which is a pain making web pages
VardaValar1: That is why I am going ahead with his server to do the new Art page, the major stopper
AuSteinM: Might I ask why the pictures can't go on the same server as the pages?
GilraenV: photobucket
VardaValar1: Also, the previous image pages we tried changed from image pages to other things
VardaValar1: We have a space problem on the current one
ArathornValar: ok.. wasnt sure how definite that was. He's had to bring his servers down before
GilraenV: but it has limits on file size (120 kb I think)
VardaValar1: Aye. Farmer says his should be up 90% of the time
VardaValar1: There is still hope that Alatar will set us up with more space
AuSteinM: oh dear, that's not so much
VardaValar1: I've seen him on WoW, so his new job must be settling down enough to let him breathe
AuSteinM: if you really need it, I can provide some space
VardaValar1: Alatar's server is truly excellent
ArathornValar: I have tons of space prob is Im not up all the time :-P
VardaValar1: Careful, Austein! We might take you up on that!
AuSteinM: I run a web hosting service and I have some extra space, so I'm happy to help
VardaValar1: I will try again with Alatar. But maybe we could put up some with Farmer in any case
VardaValar1: oh wow
VardaValar1: Would you like to be a full member or Tolkien-only member?
VardaValar1: Alatar also runs web-hosting, but with his radio jobs he has been hard to catch lately
VardaValar1: And we are about to run out of room there
AuSteinM: I'm actually not so interested in being a member, I just enjoy stopping in
AuSteinM: well, I'm sure he'll catch up with you
AuSteinM: its all too easy to extend more space
VardaValar1: We could put you in as a Tolkien-only member, with web space as your contribution
VardaValar1: That's a pretty drastic contribution :-)
FladrifV: have to reboot brb
FladrifV has left the room.
VardaValar1: If you are serious, I would like to email with you to set it up. We have several who do web pages and are hunting image space at present
AuSteinM: I'm quite serious, do you have an estimate on the total space utilization?
VardaValar1: Arathorn with his screenshot page, myself with the art gallery used in the Tolkien Encyclopedia
VardaValar1: Arathorn, are you there?
VardaValar1: We can make the screenshots smaller, and have been doing so.
VardaValar1: The images I get for the Encyc come in randomly and can be anything from photos of sculptures and members' elvish wedding rings to paintings
VardaValar1: I have all those currently
ArathornValar: I try to make them as small as I can without losing too much clarity
VardaValar1: We might do thumbnails and full sized pictures
AuSteinM: that would help users with low bandwidth
VardaValar1: The previous art gallery operator set us up with thumbnails, and I intend to continue that way
AuSteinM: alright
VardaValar1: But the Encyc uses full sized images, clicked from a text link
AuSteinM: well, if you can figure out how much space the whole thing takes up, that would be useful
VardaValar1: I am not sure what the current space used is
VardaValar1: Arathorn, yours is pretty much in one place?
VardaValar1: Mine is scattered, but I can collect it and send an estimate
AuSteinM: hold on, I'll set something up
ArathornValar: I have a bunch of WoW snapshots I havent put up because even made smaller they takeup a lot of space
VardaValar1: Is that even after changing to jpg format?
ArathornValar: yup
VardaValar1: I get the occasional gif, but most of mine are jpg
VardaValar1: We might also consider Farmer to help us with a backup page
VardaValar1: Farmer expects his server to be up three years about
VardaValar1: Since I have pages over seven years old, I have to keep an eye out
VardaValar1: Alatar's is long-running and operates very well. Both take ftp nicely
VardaValar1: Ara, do you need anything special on yours?
VardaValar1: cgi bin usually comes with a server
ArathornValar: I was thinking of just moving the WoW pics.. right not I have about 5MB up.. there are tons more pics I could add in separate wow type 'topics'
ArathornValar: I havent done any conversions since I had no where to put them.. making the pages would take little while.
VardaValar1: So will the art page, but I have a lot of it set up
VardaValar1: Now taking a look!
ArathornValar: Questions is does anyone want to see snapshots. No point in doing the work if there's no interest :-P
VardaValar1: WoW Friday shots would be especially interesting
ArathornValar: mine are interesting and gunny things Ive seen. and specific snaps of bosses and such in certain instances that looked interesting
AuSteinM: arathorn, can you unblock me so I can send you a password?
ArathornValar: Ive also got a running set of peopl who like to climb up high on things ;-P
ArathornValar: you're blocked?
AuSteinM: I think you're on buddy list only?
ArathornValar: I havent blocked anything specifically.. what kind of error are you getting?
AuSteinM: the offline error
AuSteinM: I don't think you blocked me
AuSteinM: just that your privacy is setup for buddy list only
VardaValar1: If they are pix of guild guys, they will have automatic interest. Odd pics like those climbers you showed are fun too : )
AuSteinM: (so adding me to your buddy list would fix that, too)
ArathornValar: ok I see that.. must have changed at some point.. unblocked now
ArathornValar: ok I got into the server fine
VardaValar1: You are seeing history, folks ;-)
aranfinwe: well, time for me to sign off, namarie all
VardaValar1: Have a safe trip home!
aranfinwe: lol, boss told me to go to other store to help him...
aranfinwe: not going home just yet :-)
aranfinwe has left the room.
VardaValar1: Poor Finwe : ) Hope they pay him for that : )
Menelvagor Valar has entered the room.
Menelvagor Valar: Aiya
VardaValar1: Aiya Menel!
VardaValar1: AuSteinM is setting us up with server space to take care of our image space problem : )
Menelvagor Valar: cool!
Menelvagor Valar: no more problems with the WoW images! yay!
VardaValar1: We hope that will indeed soon be solved : )
VardaValar1: Plus I can finally set up the new art gallery for the Encyc : )
bnetValar: Varda (SigmaChat): Sorry for the quiet, folks. Trying to setup while we have the Man here : )
Menelvagor Valar: triple yay!
VardaValar1: The art will be original only, as we have some nice things to show : )
VardaValar1: You guys are pretty creative
Menelvagor Valar: I'm passing on the art :-)
VardaValar1: We also have photos of sculpture, a pair of elvish wedding rings used by members
VardaValar1: If you make a costume, especially if you model it ;-) , that photo can go in
VardaValar1: We were not allowed to make photos at the LotR Exhibit in Houston, sadly
VardaValar1: If you make a bit of music, we might be able to host it in the Art gallery
ArathornValar: heh I have all my chars wearing the full cloth tuxedo outfit in wow :-P
Menelvagor Valar: haha :-)
VardaValar1: Nice way to celebrate : )
VardaValar1: I was eyeing the wedding dress pattern for my tailor
VardaValar1: Ok, I am all set up
VardaValar1: Now I have no excuse not to put up the new Glittering Caves : )
GilraenV: I should go... work in the morning. the weekend really needs to be longer.
VardaValar1: It really should
GilraenV: Namarie, folks
VardaValar1: Did you want to drop a Tolkien topic on us?
VardaValar1: Namarie!
GilraenV has left the room.
VardaValar1: AuSteinM has graciously accepted the offer of Tolkien-only membership
VardaValar1: Welcome to the Valar Guild, AuStein! :-)
VardaValar1: He is considering whether he might try a Tolkien name
VardaValar1: Well, that was some awesome Web News

VardaValar1: On to Gaming News: :-)
VardaValar1: WoW USA
VardaValar1: We wanted to go for the Carrot on a Stick to increase speed for our mounts, so we got ready for it on Thursday
VardaValar1: We grouped up and collected the hammer from 50+ Elites at the Altar of Zul, then had it made into the Hammer of Zul'Farrak at another hostile altar
VardaValar1: It looked impossible, but we did it anyway : )
VardaValar1: That was the team of Ulmo, Eonwe, Arathorn, and Varda
VardaValar1: For the Friday guild questing, the same group added guild-friend Dracxil (Eonwe's brother) and used the hammer on the gong to call up the three-headed dragon
VardaValar1: Eonwe wrote this up in story form, quite fun. It can be seen on the News or Forum, your choice
VardaValar1: Does WoW Europe have a report, assuming you are still here, Menelvagor? ;-)
VardaValar1: Last time, Menel said WoW Europe seemed to be about to add a merging group. I assume that went through with no big problem
VardaValar1: Menelvagor is the guild leader there, so maybe he can give a report when he comes back from afk : )
VardaValar1: Does anyone else have a gaming report?
VardaValar1: I caught some Diablo 2 X mules about to expire in six days. You might want to check on yours as well
VardaValar1: Olwe says he's been playing Guild Wars
VardaValar1: If anyone else is also, please say so : )
VardaValar1: He's just started it, checking it out
ArathornValar: I just got Artisan fishing in WoW too, following in Ulmo's footsteps :-P .. just finished the quest and am at 230 fishing
VardaValar1: Congrats!
ArathornValar: Trying to see if I can fish any squid out for you hunters... adds 10 ag for 10 minutes =)
VardaValar1: I need to run find that Iron Fishing pole from the Desolace fish traps too : )
ArathornValar: yeah thats a long one.. took me over an hour and a half
VardaValar1: I get a four hour turn, should cover it!
ArathornValar: nice rod tho +20
VardaValar1: Oh, before I forget
VardaValar1: Eonwe has updated the Games page
VardaValar1: He found that around 30 of us play WoW
VardaValar1: We need to all get on the same server, Lothar, and try to pop in at least on Friday guild night to say hi, even if we are enamored of other servers the rest of the time : )
ArathornValar: Oh, meant to ask, where is the main WoW page sitting again? .. we'll have to change the links on it if we put wow stuff on the new server
VardaValar1: Menel is operating that page. I'll go check
VardaValar1: Don't forget to update which games you play for the Games page
VardaValar1: Just email it to Eonwe, takes only a few minutes
ArathornValar: thats it?
VardaValar1: ahh, so he is on Alatar's server
ArathornValar: hmm pics arent coming up on it.. (buttons etc)
VardaValar1: Also, when on games, remember to use your guild name so we can recognize you
VardaValar1: Gilraen will slaughter him for that. :-) Those are buttons she came up with
VardaValar1: Might be that picture space problem again
ArathornValar: Nice new pic on the Valar main page btw =)
ArathornValar: very eye catching
VardaValar1: Thanks. That was for July 4. Looking for the next one, might be one that was recently emailed and going into the Glittering Caves
ArathornValar: hmm now the buttons are there.. odd.. internet delay maybe
VardaValar1: I still don't know what went wrong with the Java script on the News page for the revolving quotes. I'm now just typing in various ones now and then for a change.
HeruRasa has entered the room.
AuSteinM has left the room.
HeruRasa: heyas
VardaValar1: Olwe, would you like to tell a bit about what you've seen in Guild Wars so far
VardaValar1: Aiya, Ulmo!
FallenGlory: I suppose, I haven't gotten all that far yet
VardaValar1: Ulmo, AuSteinM just joined as a Tolkien-only member, and gave us web space for our images on his server. He runs DoorManBot and has his own servers
FallenGlory: Basically, it's alot more PvP oriented than most MMORPGs, and in order to facilitate that, alot more solo-friendly
FallenGlory: you could probably play it through alot like Diablo, and then just hop into PvP once you complete the campaign
FallenGlory: Free on a per monthly basis too, so thats a plus :-)
VardaValar1: Why do they call it Guild Wars? And free monthly is a major plus : )
FallenGlory: alot of it focuses around guilds, I suppose, but I haven't experienced much of that yet
FallenGlory: guilds are pretty prevalent all over the place, pulling you in with fancy capes :-)
FallenGlory: seems like you can create guild halls etc.
VardaValar1: So do they get together guild vs guild at some pre-set time?
FallenGlory: I believe so
FallenGlory: there's alot of team-based stuff
FallenGlory: like I said, I'm only just beginning
VardaValar1: (If anyone has a Tolkien topic, please IM me)
VardaValar1: Thanks, Olwe!
VardaValar1: We do have other members playing Guild Wars. Helps a lot if you mention this on the Games page, folks
VardaValar1: On to

VardaValar1: Tolkien
VardaValar1: The waters of Ulmo
VardaValar1: The waters carry the
VardaValar1: Song of Creation more than any other one thing
VardaValar1: Ulmo not only hears through the waters, but can communicate back with them
VardaValar1: The reason the call of the Sea is so strong, is this connection to the Song and to all Creation
VardaValar1: His Maiar can be expected to travel in those waters and do things that we may never know of
VardaValar1: This may be why Goldberry was where she was, or perhaps the River Daughter whose child she is
VardaValar1: So whenever we hear the sound of water, we hear much more
VardaValar1: The Teleri and their descendents are especially sensitive to Song
VardaValar1: This is why they are so attracted by the Sea
VardaValar1: If they hear the Sea, they hear far more than a few waves
VardaValar1: The horns of Ulmo, made by Salmar, seem to augment this quality
VardaValar1: My speculation is that they seem to only be used in the Sea, but not in the fresh waters.
VardaValar1: In early writing, there is a sea called Vai that supports a shiplike shape of Middle-earth
VardaValar1: Vai is where Ulmo mainly stayed, at least at first
VardaValar1: Vai was such thin water that it was almost like air
VardaValar1: Ulmo never abandoned the peoples of Middle-earth
VardaValar1: He was also rarely in Aman, and only sometimes came to the Councils of Mahanaxar
VardaValar1: He worked directly with some people in Middle-earth, or sent elf or human messenger with his words to those inland
VardaValar1: Voronwe, an elf that he could have let die in shipwreck with his comrades, became guide to Tuor, who carried Ulmo's message
VardaValar1: Due to earlier prophecy, armor was left for Tuor's use by Turgon, elf king of Gondolin
VardaValar1: Thus he was recognized when he came to the Hidden City
VardaValar1: Yet even with all that, as so many of us are wont to do, Turgon could not bear to leave what he had made with so much effort
VardaValar1: The attack forced the tiny remnant of survivors to leave, yet from that remnant came the reuniting of elf and man and Valar, as Earendil the baby was saved from the destruction
VardaValar1: He could have been allowed a much more gently remove to do his destiny, but no.
VardaValar1: But the Valar, or perhaps Eru, would not be denied this bringing together, and Earendil fulfilled his destiny.
VardaValar1: May you all fulfill your destinies with less pain : )
VardaValar1: Namarie
VardaValar1: Meeting adjourned.

VardaValar1: After-meeting is now in progress.
VardaValar1: Go play : )
ArathornValar: Oh btw...
ArathornValar: FOund a much betetr way to do the Master first aid quest
VardaValar1: Theramore, General Surgeon, Triage
ArathornValar: Bring a freind who needs it.. you can both heal the 11 patients and win more easily =)
VardaValar1: Oh cool! Here I thought it was solo only : )
ArathornValar: yeah I came across anotehr person doing it and it popped up for me when we partied .. the rest was history
HeruRasa: you can save your left over bandages and help someone else later as well
VardaValar1: Good to know
ArathornValar: yeah that too. I have 9 from mine left on my warlock
ArathornValar: SO if anyone needs to do it I still have 3 chars that need it =)
VardaValar1: hehe
VardaValar1: Varda's not there yet, Fainan's done it.
HeruRasa: it can be soloed, and you will pass eventually, but very tedious
VardaValar1: My kids did it in one or two tries, and tried to teach me how : )
HeruRasa: targetting during previous heal helps a ton
VardaValar1: Stand kind of in the center, (I dismissed my owl who was in my face), target the next one while the current one is healing.
VardaValar1: Arathorn, do you mind if I put your funny stick pictures in the Art Gallery?
VardaValar1: They are seriously fun
HeruRasa: off to game, namarie
VardaValar1: Happy hunting : )
HeruRasa has left the room.
ArathornValar: sorry was away getting some supper... sure pics can go anywhere you like :-P
VardaValar1: Ulmo gave me permission to use his carvings in the art gallery. He's going to take pictures of them.
VardaValar1: Oh, thank you!
VardaValar1: Might wind up with a link from Menelvagor's Humor page too : )
VardaValar1: Fangorn and Ulmo are on WoW
VardaValar1: I'm going to serve supper and play with the new Art Gallery
VardaValar1: Maybe a bit of WoW later : )
VardaValar1: or a lot of a bit of WoW... ;-)
LouieKisKowsKi has entered the room.
LouieKisKowsKi: Hi guys
LouieKisKowsKi: internet all set up at my brand new house, i am sooo excited
LouieKisKowsKi: no love?
LouieKisKowsKi: wlel i have so much to do still, take care guys
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GwaihirValar: gnightg
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ArathornValar has left the room.
VardaValar1: I was so happy I baked a pecan pie.
VardaValar1: Namarie!