Valar Guild

July 10, 2005 Meeting

5pm ESDT (GMT -5)

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Bridging program by Farmer Maggot-(V)
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Transcript by: Varda-(Valar)

Attending: (7)
    Finwe-(V)/aranfinwe, GilraenV, GwaihirValar, FarmerMaggot-(V)/BnetValar, Menelvagor Valar, Orodreth V, VardaValar1 (presiding)

Meeting Begins
    Menelvagor kept crashing during the meeting.
    Farmer Maggot dropped by and set up the Bridges. He still has weeks to go on his vacation.
    Paladin Took
    Tolkien Encyclopedia continues to be re-worked for separate articles, adding to the Author's pages. The largest pages are done.
    WoW Friday is beginning to show up on numerous other days, with more grouping. :)
    Hellgate: London. This is a new game coming out, by the team that split from Blizzard.  Seems to be for obsessive Diablo players, according to Gamespot.
    Forum RP
Computers: (After-meeting, mainly)
    Play all DivX Video using their software, very good compressability.
    Haiku OS is a project trying to replace Windows.
    We gave various lines that we enjoyed from the books and movies.

You have just entered room "valarguildmeetingplace."
VardaValar1: Aiya
VardaValar1: I was just in the Forum, read your message and Whitehelm's
aranfinwe has entered the room.
GilraenV has entered the room.
aranfinwe: aiyas
VardaValar1: Aiya :-)
VardaValar1: Busy at work, Finwe?
aranfinwe: yep
aranfinwe: kind of a slow point at the moment
Menelvagor Valar: Aiya
aranfinwe: most customers are staying in b/c of rain
VardaValar1: Let's you get a word in anyway
aranfinwe: lol
VardaValar1: Send some of it here!
VardaValar1: It must be in the 90's in this room, could use a cooling
aranfinwe: heh, seeing how we're catching the castoffs from Dennis... :-)
VardaValar1: We're near the Gulf Coast, so we have hope of some ragged leavings of Dennis as well
VardaValar1: My clock says it's that time. Is it working? : )
aranfinwe: yep
aranfinwe: just glad I'm not in Pensacola, tho...
VardaValar1: Aye, too much of a good thing
aranfinwe: getting whached twice in two years has to be unfun
aranfinwe: whacked*
VardaValar1: Time to move
aranfinwe: nice thing about Jacksonville, we rarely ever get hit directly by the storms
VardaValar1: Good to hear : )
Orodreth V has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya Orodreth!
aranfinwe: even better to be able to say it :-)
aranfinwe: aiya
Orodreth V: aiya
VardaValar1: Let's start. The others can use their mithril spurs to try to catch their horses up to ours.

VardaValar1: Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo
VardaValar1: Membership News:
VardaValar1: We continue to be here, after seven years. Congrats to all of you : )
VardaValar1: A guild is only as good as those who make it up
VardaValar1: Do any of you have member news?
VardaValar1: Finwe is at work and with us anyway, congrats!
aranfinwe: heh, thx :-)
VardaValar1: Eowyn says hi from our house, so does Sauron
aranfinwe: I'll speak up when I can
VardaValar1: Great!

VardaValar1: Web News:
VardaValar1: Menelvagor, on the WoW Trainers page, it looked as if you are now handling it?
VardaValar1: Be sure to give yourself credit on the page, even if you do leave my name on as originator : )
VardaValar1: The
VardaValar1: The Tolkien Encyclopedia is continuing on its rework in navigation, the meanest pages taken care of
VardaValar1: By putting each article in a separate area, we can not only improve navigation, but try some fancier webwork in the future
VardaValar1: People's computers are improving after these seven years, so we can get away with some goodies that we could not before
Menelvagor Valar has left the room.
VardaValar1: Your help in the Encyc is welcome. Notes from reading the books, insights, or creative efforts
VardaValar1: Menel is having a rough time, it appears
VardaValar1: Do you three have any suggestions for what you would like to see more of in our Tolkien Encyclopedia or other pages?
aranfinwe: hmmm... not of the top of my head...
VardaValar1: If you can't now, but think of something later, feel free to email me!
aranfinwe: ok
VardaValar1: You might think of something while perusing them

VardaValar1: Gaming:
VardaValar1: WoW Friday was lively, but started late
VardaValar1: We seem to be doing more of the guild grouping now on other days, an improvement : )
VardaValar1: WoW Friday is starting to carry over into other days, as we had hoped
VardaValar1: Does anyone here still play Diablo 2: Lord of Destruction?
aranfinwe: nope
Orodreth V: /me mutters something about SC and WC3
VardaValar1: Oro, any report on those two?
Orodreth V: I've seen like 3 people on in the past..oh, 3 months or so.
VardaValar1: At least that you still play? Do you use the Valar channel?
Orodreth V: I don't even bother playing on my Valar account anymore. :-\
Orodreth V: If you didn't hear, there's a guild/clan/whatever that has taken the Vala clan name.
VardaValar1: That was our problem before, we had trouble recognizing members because they would not play Valar names or come to the Valar channels
VardaValar1: I did not hear, thanks
Orodreth V: I idled in there for quite awile, but they seem about as active as us.
VardaValar1: heh
VardaValar1: Did you get to talk to any?
VardaValar1: Might have some of our old members, of which there are many
Orodreth V: I think I have every valar member on my Oro account.
Orodreth V: And I do get on that every so often, but no one's ever on.
VardaValar1: As I said, they kept using other names. Made it tough
Orodreth V: Yea.
VardaValar1: Suggestions?
Orodreth V: The only people I know who play at all are Paladin Took and Ar-Pharazon.
Orodreth V: And I have both of them friended on my alt.
VardaValar1: I have not seen Paladin. Good to hear he's still around
Orodreth V: I saw him a cuple weeks ago fro a few nights.
Orodreth V: We played a bit.
VardaValar1: Excellent : )
Orodreth V: I lost miserably. >.>
VardaValar1: hehe
Orodreth V: But this is all for WC3/TFT.
VardaValar1: Any chance of his coming to a meeting sometime?
Orodreth V: I think I'm the only Valar member with a SC cd, much less it installed.
VardaValar1: Good. We haven't heard much from WC3/TFT folk lately
Orodreth V: That's cuz I'mt he only one and I usualy sleep through meetings.
VardaValar1: We have it, but we haven't been playing it much since WoW came out
VardaValar1: Thanks for waking up : )
Orodreth V: Don't remind me. :-\
VardaValar1: ok : )
Orodreth V: In other news, the SC community hasn't changed at all in the year or two I've been absent..
TheSirG3 has entered the room.
VardaValar1: So Oro plays WC3/TFT and SC
Orodreth V: The UMS maps are still the same.
VardaValar1: Heya! Who's operating the bridge?
Orodreth V: And the genearl quality of character is still int he pits.
TheSirG3: hm, that would be the question :-\
Orodreth V: But that's all.
VardaValar1: Well, you are. :-) Are you Farmer?
VardaValar1: Thanks, Oro
Menelvagor Valar has entered the room.
TheSirG3: well, trying to get it running....
VardaValar1: Welcome back, Menel : )
VardaValar1: Thanks, FM!
Orodreth V: To summarize: No one plays TFT excpet me on an alt accnt, Alasseo, and Paladin Took/Ar Pharazon very occassionally.
bnetValar has entered the room.
Orodreth V: No one at all (to the best of my knowledge) plays SC.
Orodreth V: I'll start hanging out in Valar more.
Menelvagor Valar: sorry, connection failed on me out of the blue
VardaValar1: They do, but they don't use the old names or channel
VardaValar1: We noticed, and we sympathize : )
VardaValar1: Menel, did you have any Web news?
Menelvagor Valar: none so far, pretty busy week
VardaValar1: Thanks
Orodreth V: so, uh, where is everyone?
Orodreth V: 4th was last weekend
VardaValar1: Sauron is on WoW and says hi
VardaValar1: He says Arathorn and Ulmo are there too
Menelvagor Valar: I try to get around to do stuff, but it seems you are right about it being rather difficult to find the time to mesh it into my schedule
VardaValar1: One has to really work at it, force it into the schedule. Believe me, I understand : )
VardaValar1: Any other business, points to bring up?
Menelvagor Valar: auch, big lag over here :-(
VardaValar1: Ok, seems to be happening in side windows
VardaValar1: Would anyone like to pick their own Tolkien topic and IM me with it?

VardaValar1: Tolkien Chat:
VardaValar1: Memorable lines from Lord of the Rings : )
Orodreth V: "waste of a good apple."
Orodreth V: or words to that effect
VardaValar1: lol - excellent!
Orodreth V: and in other news my enter key is broken, brb
VardaValar1: gack
Orodreth V: hmm
Orodreth V: have to just hit it a bit harder
TheSirG3: the most memorable line would have to be of Gandalf talking to Frodo about Gollum and Bilbo's pity
TheSirG3: (IMHO)
VardaValar1: Spring might be off cneter
VardaValar1: Ohh, lovely
Orodreth V: anyways, that's one of the funniest lines ever
VardaValar1: Sauron-(Valar) says "That spear would have skewered a wild boar!" That is both book and movie
Orodreth V: neh
VardaValar1: He says
Orodreth V: 5/10 for that
Orodreth V: Farmer's line gets a 9.9/10 in the serious/morals scale, however
VardaValar1: It's just what line comes to mind : )
TheSirG3: perhap's Bilbo's going away speech
TheSirG3: very confusing =P
VardaValar1: Very backhanded ;-)
Orodreth V: that's not a line though :-P
TheSirG3: it is a line
TheSirG3: "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
Orodreth V: yea
Menelvagor Valar: do those memorable lines extend to the movies?
Orodreth V: that's a line
VardaValar1: Sure, go ahead, Menel
VardaValar1: They have gone into our minds too : )
VardaValar1: I'm trying to look up one
VardaValar1: Here's one close to it. Frodo sees Arwen coming to Minas Tirith:
VardaValar1: "At last I understand why we have waited! This is the ending. Now not only day shall be beloved,
VardaValar1: but night too shall be beautiful and blessed and all its fear pass away!"
VardaValar1: Menel, lag allowing, go ahead : )
VardaValar1: Found it : )
VardaValar1: Eomer and Gimli
VardaValar1: Eomer tells Gimli he must go for his axe, for he cannot say Galadriel is the fairest
VardaValar1: "But first I will plead this excuse," said Eomer. "Had I seen her in other company, I would have said all you could wish.
VardaValar1: But now I will put Queen Arwen Evenstar first, and I am ready to do battle on my part with any who deny me. Shall I call for my sword?"
Orodreth V: Buttering up Arwen, are we? :-P
VardaValar1: She wasn't around
VardaValar1: But it was a nice bit between Eomer and Gimli
VardaValar1: The whole thing is about the passing away of the times
Orodreth V: no, I meant you were. :-P
VardaValar1: Then Gimli bowed low. "Nay, you are excused for my part, lord" he said. "You have chosen the Evening,
VardaValar1: but my love is given to the Morning.
Orodreth V: and I the Morning
Menelvagor Valar has left the room.
Orodreth V: I was close. :-\
VardaValar1: And my heart forebodes that soon it will pass away for ever."
VardaValar1: heh, Arwen-(V) is also not here ;-)
VardaValar1: Poor Menelvagor the Crashing
Orodreth V: Orodreth the Idle >.>
TheSirG3: off topic, anyone with XP / TweakUI in here?
Orodreth V: Nope, I use Litestep/WB.
VardaValar1: Would not know if I had it : )
TheSirG3: ve/2005/04/18/409105.aspx
TheSirG3: trying to do that, but none of the items mentioned are in the list in the Access Control pane
VardaValar1: a bot thingy for WoW?
VardaValar1: Sort of a reader of stats
VardaValar1: Meeting adjourned.

VardaValar1: After-meeting declared
TheSirG3: Microsoft makes it miserable to run Windows as a limited user account and makes it miserable to secure Windows ><
Orodreth V: "Windows provides no API, group policy setting, or user interface to edit these ACLs. However, an unsupported utility, TweakUI, does provide such a user interface."
GwaihirValar has entered the room.
Orodreth V: That line in what looks to me to be a
Orodreth V: MS blog
Orodreth V: is just funny
TheSirG3: hehe
TheSirG3: no public API at least =P
GwaihirValar: good morning everyone :-)
Orodreth V: Ooo, burn.
Orodreth V: Good uh.. *checks clock*
Orodreth V: evening
Orodreth V: I think
Orodreth V: Yea, that's PM
GwaihirValar: yup
TheSirG3: happy 4:00, I'd say =P
GwaihirValar: I work nights, so this is morning for me ;-)
VardaValar1: Good morning, then : )
Orodreth V: I sleep at different times every day, so :-P
VardaValar1: We were doing lines from the LotR that happened to come to mind
VardaValar1: but are in After-meeting now.
TheSirG3: heh, I try to stay up late, get up early (7-8 ish) and nap in the afternoon =P
VardaValar1: Oh, the Forum rp is still going. Arathorn joined back into it. : )
VardaValar1: If anyone else is joining, we may have several good spots for men and dwarves coming up. Last call for Mirkwood Elves though.
Orodreth V: hmph.I don't associate with elves not of the light. ;-)
VardaValar1: Hey, twilight has some light : )
VardaValar1: Auros is leading, and he's a Noldo, if that helps : )
GilraenV: I should go, work tomorrow. Namarie, folks.
Orodreth V: Namarie
VardaValar1: Namarie
TheSirG3: cya
VardaValar1: Meeting adjourned a while ago anyway :-)
GilraenV has left the room.
Orodreth V: So where is everyone?
Orodreth V: Or have meetings plummeted in attendance without me noticing?
VardaValar1: Ulmo and Arathorn are on WoW with Sauron
VardaValar1: Yes, they dropped. See News
VardaValar1: Dropped in attendance, that is : )
VardaValar1: Hard to do anything when those present are mostly afk, either
VardaValar1: Orodreth, what games do you play now?
VardaValar1: sorry, you said already
VardaValar1: You were the one talking : )
Orodreth V: heh
VardaValar1: dropped in half the last two meetings. Had 18 before
Orodreth V: There are a bunch of other things I play on occassion,b ut they don't count.
VardaValar1: Expected it last time for July 4
Orodreth V: /me is waiting for Hellgate: London to come out
Orodreth V: Good old slay the demons.
VardaValar1: Worthy cause : )
Orodreth V: Except with guns and flashy graphics.
VardaValar1: Sounds pretty normal. What is the attraction?
Orodreth V: So..Doom 3 but with more explosions, and magic.
VardaValar1: hehe
Orodreth V: Well, it is made by the guys who split from Blizzard.
VardaValar1: Ohh, now that gives hope
Orodreth V: I think Bill Roper is leading this group..yea.
VardaValar1: Could be well worth playing
VardaValar1: Thundering here
Orodreth V: I can't remember the name of the company offhand..I a trailer though, lemme see.
VardaValar1: Sauron says it might be an alien attack instead ;-)
Orodreth V: flagship studios
VardaValar1: URL would be handy
Orodreth V: dunno where I downloaded it
Orodreth V: sorry
VardaValar1: np - we can Google it
Orodreth V: it's actually pretty poor
VardaValar1: ouch
Orodreth V: well
Orodreth V: it looks cool
Orodreth V: but the fights were "filmed" poorly :-\
Orodreth V: some uglay monsters though
Orodreth V: we're talking UGLY
Orodreth V: grade AAA certified
Orodreth V: brb
Orodreth V has left the room.
Orodreth V has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Welcome back : )
Orodreth V: sorry
Orodreth V: back
VardaValar1: np - meeting was over anyway
VardaValar1: I'm putting the summary on the News already
VardaValar1: It can be added to if something comes up : )
Orodreth V: the demon they fight at the end makes diablo look like a playtoy
VardaValar1: I'm adding in the part about the game
aranfinwe: btw, base site seems to be
VardaValar1: hehe
Orodreth V:
Orodreth V: the trailer is there
VardaValar1: That's a click from the first page you gave
Orodreth V: yea
Orodreth V: don't eat and look
Orodreth V: :-P
VardaValar1: Some nice art!
VardaValar1: hehe
VardaValar1: I'm a biologist. Have to work to make me nauseous
TheSirG3: heh
VardaValar1: Shows how to get DivX for viewing trailers. Handy
VardaValar1: Adding that url too
VardaValar1: Lets you compress videos. Useful
Orodreth V: "Considering the game's very modular design, which will let you hunt down desired items to mix, match, and swap in any number of different combinations,
Orodreth V: Hellgate: London could very well become the next addiction for obsessive Diablo players."
VardaValar1: Get a whole movie on one CDR
Orodreth V: That's from Gamespot.
VardaValar1: Definitely should check out that game then : )
VardaValar1: Thanks
Orodreth V: *bolds obsessive Diablo players*
VardaValar1: *looks around at our guild loaded with obsessive Diablo players*
TheSirG3: heh
VardaValar1: Used to be anyway
Orodreth V: they're just obessive wow players now
Orodreth V: but they're diablo playerss at heart
Orodreth V: :-P
TheSirG3: sigh, Windows XP Home makes it almost impossible to secure Windows ><
VardaValar1: Reminds me, I need to go run through all my Diablo characters again
VardaValar1: Sorry for the pain, Farmer
VardaValar1: You guys know anything about Flash programming?
TheSirG3: it's no wonder that most people are infected w/ spyware and such *sigh*
TheSirG3: nothing Varda, Arathorn does though
VardaValar1: ouch
VardaValar1: Thanks
VardaValar1: We find spyware nearly every time we run our cleaner, mainly adware
TheSirG3: yeah, I should put up a page on securing XP
VardaValar1: Firewalls are a problem if you try to game or do much
VardaValar1: Turn them on, turn them off, rinse and repeat
TheSirG3: not really, Windows XP SP2's firewall is nice
TheSirG3: depends on the firewall though
VardaValar1: Guess I could give it a try then
TheSirG3: routers are much more a problem than firewalls heh
VardaValar1: We had 4 or 5 firewalls running
VardaValar1: Our router has a firewall to fight too
Orodreth V: I surfed the net for years with no firewall and never got a virus
TheSirG3: yeah, firewalls aren't a huge deal
TheSirG3: running an antispyware program that's live monitoring and a web browser other than IE takes care of almost all spyware
VardaValar1: Our new router is better than the old, but when we turn on one comp on the network, it kicks out the WoW players on the other comp
VardaValar1: I use Netscape, helped a ton : )
VardaValar1: Oro, what browser?
Orodreth V: Firefox
Orodreth V: But I only got that recenty
Orodreth V: for a long time I had IE
VardaValar1: Don't see how you escaped with IE
TheSirG3: IPv6 should be the death of routers, convincing ISPs to give people out more than one (I'd for example need about 8) IP will be hard though =(
VardaValar1: We have DSL, and they only gave out a modem, no router
TheSirG3: right
Orodreth V: IPv6 needs to be widly accepted..there are so many things hanging around from when IPs were first being designated...
TheSirG3: yeah
Orodreth V: I mean, I think it's Stanford has a block of IPs about a mile wide that they have no use at all for but can't get rid of.
VardaValar1: That's the main thing across the whole computer world, to make stuff work with each other instead of fighting each other. Proprietary junk
TheSirG3: heh
TheSirG3: something to watch as an escape from windows is the Haiku project -- they're making an open source BeOS clone =)
TheSirG3: Linux has severe fundamental problems, and isn't fit for the home user
VardaValar1: Is Haiku based overseas?
TheSirG3: oh, actual news: The Longhorn betas have started going out =)
VardaValar1: Thanks for the url
TheSirG3: it's not reached a usable state yet unfortunately, but BeOS had some great features
TheSirG3: want to install graphics drivers? drag the driver into the folder and the system would pick it up and wham, it'd be using it, no reboot =)
Orodreth V: I found this little ditty about windows..
VardaValar1: nice
Orodreth V: trying to think of it
VardaValar1: I'm adding a Computers section to Meeting news ;-)
Orodreth V: "if you want to do something fun, please reboot! if you want to do something fun, please reboot! if you want to do something fun, please reboot!"
TheSirG3: heh
TheSirG3: yep Oro, been there, lots =P
VardaValar1: hehe
TheSirG3: sucked having to reboot to change my IP address or install IPX :-\
Orodreth V: "If you want to do something fun, and you don't want me to use a gun, please reboot!"
Orodreth V: something liek that
VardaValar1: News is up, mostly. Still needs the transcrip
VardaValar1: Oh, I can hear the tune in back hehe
Orodreth V: watching that trailer on loop
Orodreth V: best part is when the fem templar using a gun that shhots fire and runs through the zombie horde
TheSirG3: running Windows as a limited user account is a good idea, but it's got hassles that normal users couldn't deal with =(
Orodreth V: second best part is tied for the entire demon fight and the time the male templar sets off his zombie nade or whatever
Orodreth V: he slaugheters this like baseball field area of zombies
Orodreth V: well back to tft to be all by my lonesome
aranfinwe: time for me to leave as well, namarie all
aranfinwe has left the room.
VardaValar1: bye Finwe
VardaValar1: I'll pop into D2X