Feb. 6, 2005 Meeting
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Transcript team: Ar-Pharazon, Varda
Links?: Music: Far over the Misty Mountains
Name Page -
MeO (Middle-earth Online):
Valar Guild Role-play discussion - Valar Guild rp on our own forum
World of WarCraft:
Guild branch formed a while back,
includes tabard. Buy yours from tabard npc (stands by guildmaster
npc,ask guard directions to the guildmaster) for around one gold per
character. Guild channel type /guild. Our non-guild alts (maybe looking
for an inviter) can use /join Valar to join our extra channel.
WoW guild page organization
Olwe-(V)/FallenGlory bought WoW
You have just entered room "valar guild meetingplace."
Menelvagor Valar: DaoC I take it :-)
Menelvagor Valar: I have canceled my
account for DaoC
ArPharazonV: in preparation for WoW?
Menelvagor Valar: and unless the game
gets canceled before I return to it, I can re-open it :-)
Menelvagor Valar: yeah
Menelvagor Valar: can't afford 2 MMO's
VardaValar1: A little early there?
ArPharazonV: a few days to go....
quite the timing for my pc to go bad...
VardaValar1: That's what worries me
about Middle-earth Online
ArPharazonV: oh, btw...
VardaValar1: I am having a problem
with a dog yanking out our phone lines
ArPharazonV: remember those two
'movies' that were added to the humor-section this week?
VardaValar1: In case I disappear
VardaValar1: What about them
sauronjag: affording 2 is rough :-)
sauronjag: one is bad enough
FarmerMaggotV has entered the room.
ArPharazonV: I found the sequel,
someone from the war3 forum posted it :-)
FarmerMaggotV has left the room.
VardaValar1: you have the link?
after the current catapult?
ArPharazonV: I think so
FarmerMaggotV has entered the room.
ArPharazonV: unless there was
something in between, but not sure
FarmerMaggotV: hm, I see no bridge
bnetValar has entered the room.
bnetValar has left the room.
VardaValar1: came and went
FarmerMaggotV: hm, odd
FarmerMaggotV: maybe it isn't working
ArPharazonV: I have found the source
of my latest pc-problems, something wrong with specific parts of my
ArPharazonV: should be worsening
until I can install a new one
ArPharazonV: so I could disappear
any moment as well
ArPharazonV: except I don't expect I
shall return very soon :-(
VardaValar1: oh goodie. We can crash
VardaValar1: Takes a little while to
rewire the phone line too :-)
ArPharazonV: I'm talking in terms of
half an hours or more
FarmerMaggotV: can someone pop into battle.net for a
FarmerMaggotV: yeah, just send an IM
to the bridge: !reload AIM
ArPharazonV: sorry, won't risk it...
when playing games, there's an even bigger chance of it failing
VardaValar1: one sec
ArPharazonV: btw, finished the
Quenta Silmarillion this morning
ArPharazonV: am now reading the
ArPharazonV: after that the Rings of
Power, and when I've finished the book I think I'll slow down a little
for my study...
GwaihirValar has entered the room.
the loser emu has entered the room.
the loser emu: Hey hi.
Musics4Me2 has entered the room.
FarmerMaggotV: aha, thank you Varda
VardaValar1: Done, Farmer
Musics4Me2: Varda-(Valar) (Bnet):
VardaValar1: Aiya. Welcome
FarmerMaggotV: it should be working
from SigmaChat (the java chat app) too
(SigmaChat): like this?
VardaValar1: A little testing going
on here, pardon
VardaValar1: Opening sigma chat
VardaValar1: emu is a friend of a
the loser emu: :-)
the loser emu: I just observe.
ArPharazonV (SigmaChat): that's what you have eyes for, right?
Menelvagor Valar has left the room.
VardaValar1: That worked. Emu showed
up in sigma chat
ArPharazonV: he did
FarmerMaggotV: <ego>Of course it
the loser emu: She
HeruRasa has entered the room.
GwaihirValar: oh come now... you
don't need the /ego tag... ;-)
mordacil: what is sigma chat?
GilraenV has entered the room.
VardaValar1: See News page, last
VardaValar1: Alatar set up a test
spot for us to try for a meeting
ArPharazonV: lol, I guess sounds
don't make it through
VardaValar1: If we can work it ok,
he will pay for the bigger program that allows us to boot etc
Menelvagor Valar has entered the room.
ArPharazonV: Varda, could you
check... if /me commands in bnet show up here?
FarmerMaggotV: they do
FarmerMaggotV: and in IRC
Orodreth V has entered the room.
Musics4Me2: Varda-(Valar) (Bnet):
So many windows open!
Musics4Me2: Varda-(Valar) (Bnet):
*This is a /me command*
(SigmaChat): meh, only 4 myself
Musics4Me2: Varda-(Valar) (Bnet):
Want some more? :-)
FarmerMaggotV: only 7+ tabs, unusually
FarmerMaggotV: (7 windows, 3 tabs)
ArPharazonV: buddy list, this
window, sigmachat, and an IM with Orodreth
ArPharazonV: which I think I can
ArPharazonV: I'm leaving MSN and
Winamp closed, to lessen the stress on my pc...
mordacil: I found this rock version of the "rar over the misty mountains cold..."
solos are kinda long
mordacil: and the whole thing is
FarmerMaggotV: ooh, hyperlinks aren't
going to start invites now
Eonwe Valar has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar: heya
the loser emu: >.>
ArPharazonV (SigmaChat): Aiya
the loser emu: Aiya
the loser emu: Woosh
VardaValar1: busy, pardon
the loser emu: dong.
VardaValar1: Inviting members
VardaValar1: Give them a sec to join
VardaValar1: ok, members and alts
that I have are invited
VardaValar1: Anyone with news please
pm me so I can jot it down so we all get in our chance to speak
VardaValar1: Ok, looks as if we are
set up now. Feel free to give a holler if you remember something else
VardaValar1: Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo
VardaValar1: Member News:
VardaValar1: *nudges Orodreth*
GwaihirValar: *butts Orodreth with
ArPharazonV: *hits Orodreth with
Orodreth V: Oops.
Orodreth V: >.>
Orodreth V: I'm getting a new computer!
GwaihirValar: (sorry to interrupt
here... I'm not feeling well, I'm gonna go lie down for an hour... I'll
scroll when I get back :-))
Orodreth V: Becasue this one is dieing. :-
*winks at Orodreth :-P*
Orodreth V: :-
Orodreth V: :-'(
Orodreth V: Bleh.
Namarie for a bit those afking
Orodreth V: whatever.
Orodreth V: Anyways.
ArPharazonV: congrats Oro
Orodreth V: Yea, my wuvly laptop is dieing.
Orodreth, when do you expect it?
ArPharazonV: and somehow my own
messages in here make a noise in sigmachat, while your messages
Orodreth V: By March..need to finialize everything, going to have a
riend build it.
Good luck with that
Orodreth V: So I can't play any games on here.
What games are you going to try to rig it to handle?
ArPharazonV: WoW? ;-)
Orodreth V: It works fine for web brousing and chatting.
Orodreth V: But even BW lags.
Eonwe Valar: Wow that's bad when BW
Orodreth V: Um.
Orodreth V: It should be able to run most things.
like windows, winamp, Explorer...
Orodreth V: It's a slightly better version of what my friend has,
around $800, should be able to run HL2, Doom3..so pretty good.
Orodreth V: Still no chance of me getting WoW until summer when I get
a job though.
WoW? : )
VardaValar1: okie dokie, we'll quit
bugging you :-)
Orodreth V: Unless someone is going to pay my monthly fee for me. :-P
VardaValar1: Do they take Diablo
VardaValar1: If not, job hunting
VardaValar1: Any further member news?
Orodreth V: Oh, I've got 50 Gmail invites.
you could create characters in WoW, then sell them on Ebay, and use
them to pay for your monthly fee...
ArPharazonV: if that wasn't illegal
Eonwe Valar: not really
VardaValar1: Kindly don't
VardaValar1: 50! wow
VardaValar1: Web News
Eonwe Valar: even if it weren't you
couldn't. You'd have to create a new account for each character
VardaValar1: Chat room news
VardaValar1: Farmer asked me to pass
on that he now has four bridges going for the chat:
VardaValar1: AIM, Battle.net in
Public Channel Valar, Sigma Chat, and IRC
VardaValar1: Also, Alatar asked us
to test out Sigma Chat during a meeting
ArPharazonV: isn't that like a
bnet-map? the four bridges?
VardaValar1: URL coming up:
VardaValar1: Please give it a try,
using your guild name as username
(SigmaChat): helps to have the window already open...
VardaValar1: It's supposed to be
Musics4Me2: Menelvagor (SigmaChat):
so it does :-)
VardaValar1: Also, he wants to buy a
version for the guild allowing lots of options including the
ever-popular "ban" or "kick"
ArPharazonV: is it possible to
easily switch names this way?
VardaValar1: You can type in your
guild name as your original user name
Musics4Me2: Menelvagor (SigmaChat):
VardaValar1: It will take it
VardaValar1: I was in and crashed
out of it somehow
Musics4Me2: Ulmo-Valar (SigmaChat):
are we moving here now?
ArPharazonV: if, for example, I
wanted to change my username to 'TarCalionV', I could do so without
much trouble, and switch back if I wanted to?
VardaValar1: We are trying it out
VardaValar1: If the guild likes it,
we can make it the main area
Menelvagor Valar: not really, we can go
both ways, doesn't really matter who is where, thanks to FM :-)
VardaValar1: We have bridges for all
the areas members say they are willing to come to for meetings
VardaValar1: We are trying to kill
some of the reasons people use not to come to meetings :-)
ArPharazonV: have there ever been
any meetings with like 30-40 people present?
VardaValar1: The sigma chat has many
features to help and less problem with potentially downloading viruses
VardaValar1: Not usually much over 20
VardaValar1: We get over 20, we get
a new meeting area, we lose half
Menelvagor Valar: I've seen meetings with
a couple dozen, but never that much
VardaValar1: then we build back up
to 20+ and cycle repeats
VardaValar1: We have 128 full
members, 25 Tolkien onlies, and guild friends
Menelvagor Valar: seems we won't have to
VardaValar1: Could get big
VardaValar1: We'll see :-)
VardaValar1: Anyway, it looks good
FladrifV has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya Fladrif :-)
Menelvagor Valar: long time no see :-)
VardaValar1: We are trying out
another chat room, bridging chat from four places
VardaValar1: See if you can join
using guild name:
(SigmaChat): join us here :-)
Ulmo-Valar (SigmaChat): who is Bridge?
VardaValar1: You can be in all
places at once too :-)
Bridge is the user who sends messages back and forth
VardaValar1: Farmer Maggot runs the
FarmerMaggotV: yeah, if you've got any
questions feel free to ask -> I wrote it, so I can usually guess why
it does something somehow :-P
ArPharazonV: bridge there is
FladrifV: I've been running the bridge program for a test a while
He currently has it set to show the same thing from AIM, Bnet, IRC, and
VardaValar1: Considering MSN as
well. Any of you want it?
ArPharazonV: as soon as my pc is
fixed and clean, I think I'll try attending the meeting from 3
different places ;-)
VardaValar1: Music is also Farmer
FladrifV: msn would be nice
I'm in three now
FladrifV: or icq
I use AIM more than MSN, but why not...
ArPharazonV: would give me 4 places
to be in :-)
FarmerMaggotV: ICQ is kinda supported
-> AOL owns ICQ now, and I think you can join AIM chats from there
VardaValar1: Use the one you like
VardaValar1: Sigma Chat may have the
best safety and control features
VardaValar1: Anything else you want
to add, Farmer?
FarmerMaggotV: nope, just if you have
questions, ask. And the channel info, etc is on the news page
ArPharazonV: my non-guild-friends
are all located in MSN, so it's pretty useful, but I resent the fact I
don't hear messages when I'm playing a game, while I do hear messages
ArPharazonV: so AIM I use mostly
VardaValar1: Thanks, Farmer :-)
Eonwe Valar: I have a quick question
about the bridge.
FarmerMaggotV: sure Eonwe
Musics4Me2: Menelvagor-Valar (IRC):
4 places now :-)
(SigmaChat): lol :D
(Bnet): way to go FM :-)
VardaValar1: Eonwe's floor now
ArPharazonV: brb, getting a drink...
Eonwe Valar: Is there a way for the
bridge to be used to whisper people in the separate channels? If this
does end up becoming a standard/widely used, it will get messy
conducting meetings if they can't whisper the chair.
Musics4Me2: Menelvagor (SigmaChat):
all I need now is a 2nd CD-ROM player and log in on D2x and have 4
clones of myself lol
VardaValar1: Chair has the joy of
being in a lot of places? :-)
FarmerMaggotV: Eonwe -> not yet,
I'd need to think about how to lay it out
VardaValar1: It does sound sticky
FarmerMaggotV: perhaps just be able to
forward messages to the chair, and only the chair?
FarmerMaggotV: that would simplify
things a lot, and not overload any service with IMs
VardaValar1: Messages also help keep
down the private chats going on in the main meeting
FarmerMaggotV: yea, but there's a cap
on how many messages and such on most of the networks
ArPharazonV: and most of the fun of
the 'private' chat is that the others can join in...
FladrifV: magoth why not use deamontools?
FladrifV: you can mount then virtual 8 drives :-)
VardaValar1: Phar, it can be very
VardaValar1: There are a lot of
private chats going
FallenGlory has entered the room.
ArPharazonV: that's true
VardaValar1: The best thing is to
try to get us mostly in one place
VardaValar1: Aiya Olwe
VardaValar1: Did I get the right
FarmerMaggotV: yeah, unfort, I can't
set the limitations of other networks, I'd love to be able to IM
between them all
FallenGlory: lol, I assume so
ArPharazonV: I tend to like chaotic
gathering and busy chatrooms sometimes... but perhaps that's just me
VardaValar1: It's fine if not
ArPharazonV: yup, that's a good point
Menelvagor Valar: I like things orderly
and clean, especially during meeting times :-)
VardaValar1: So, can everyone reach
the sigma chat ok?
(SigmaChat): so far only 4 of us here
VardaValar1: I only see 4
Musics4Me2: Menelvagor-Valar (IRC):
only me in mIRC tho :-)
VardaValar1: I need to let Alatar
have some idea of how we are doing with it :-)
the loser emu has left the room.
VardaValar1: Maybe most of the group
are afk, happens a lot I suspect ;-)
ArPharazonV: can you imagine what it
would be like if 40 people were here...
VardaValar1: While you are
ArPharazonV: 35 people afk
VardaValar1: If like you Phar?
VardaValar1: Would be chaos ;-)
ArPharazonV: probably, aye
ArPharazonV: I'm evil, you know ;-)
FarmerMaggotV: or like me, one eye on
Age of Mythology one eye on AIM :-P
ArPharazonV: ah, that a good game?
was thinking of buying it, but that genre has mostly lost my interest...
FarmerMaggotV: it's nice
VardaValar1: Not in gaming yet, on
to Web News
VardaValar1: Web News:
VardaValar1: Tolkien Encyclopedia:
VardaValar1: Stories: new
VardaValar1: Humor pages for Encyc:
VardaValar1: We have two for Tolkien
VardaValar1: text and visual
VardaValar1: both now being handled
VardaValar1: I will have the link up
as soon as possible on the Encyc to his new splash page
VardaValar1: He is also handling:
VardaValar1: "You know you're in
VardaValar1: He has a new humor link
VardaValar1: Menel, do you have it
Menelvagor Valar: 2 actually
Menelvagor Valar: sent in by Arwen last
VardaValar1: That would make three
Menelvagor Valar: also on the news
Menelvagor Valar: http://www.askesis.org/images/temp/mordor
Menelvagor Valar: http://www.askesis.org/images/temp/catapul
Menelvagor Valar: and of
course, the splash page which includes all 3 of the humor links for
easy access: http://valarguild.org/menelvagor/humorsplash
Menelvagor Valar: and I
think that is the one you meant, Varda :-)
VardaValar1: Someone mentioned
finding the link to the one after the catapult as well
ArPharazonV: oh, yes, Menel, I found
the third part of that sequence
VardaValar1: found, from Phar:
getting something for a potential topic
VardaValar1: long, a bit nasty
VardaValar1: Next web
mordacil: i gave this before
VardaValar1: Song about?
mordacil: from the far over the
misty mtns song
mordacil: remade by some guy in
VardaValar1: ahh, thanks. :-)
mordacil: warning:8 min long and
VardaValar1: Texas? Must be good then
VardaValar1: More info on Web news:
VardaValar1: Images were eating up
our valarguild.org server space
VardaValar1: We worked on that
VardaValar1: Arathorn converted tga
screenshots to jpg and saved huge chunks of space
VardaValar1: Menelvagor put his
images on GeoCities
Menelvagor Valar: new link up on site,
however, having a little problem with the large images, attempting to
VardaValar1: Some of us are trying
VardaValar1: I'm having a little
trouble with a large photo on Imagezilla
VardaValar1: also has very long names
VardaValar1: But still working on it
VardaValar1: Thanks Menel
Menelvagor Valar: Just found out what it
VardaValar1: Any other suggested
server spaces are welcome news if you have any
Menelvagor Valar: Yahoo makes use of a
data transfer limit, so direct linking to them can eat away that data
transfer limit thing quite rapidly
FarmerMaggotV: If I could only get my
server going :-(
VardaValar1: We would use it too,
Menelvagor Valar: I may check out
Imagezilla later this week and see if it is worth it :-)
VardaValar1: Free ;-)
VardaValar1: Eonwe has Web news. Go
MaglorV has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar: Thanks.
VardaValar1: Aiya Maglor :-)
Eonwe Valar: The MEO
Online) Forum has been updated and reoganized a bit.
Eonwe Valar: They have removed a few
of the boards, added a new one or two, and added in a couple of new
Eonwe Valar: One of these features
is the ability to add in an avatar after a certain amount of time and
energy invested in the forum, as determined by post count and date
since signing up.
Menelvagor Valar: I figure that doesn't
include spam posts?
Eonwe Valar: If they're deemed as
spam, I assume they will be deleted.
Eonwe Valar: The mods there are for
the most part on the ball.
FladrifV has left the room.
Eonwe Valar: Except on weekends,
VardaValar1: They get weekends!
Eonwe Valar: I assume they do,
because sometimes stuff that needs to be removed (when that happens,
which hasn't been a smuch recently) isn't until Monday.
Menelvagor Valar: sorry, but what does
the expression "on the ball" mean?
FarmerMaggotV: on top of things,
taking care of business
Eonwe Valar: "on the ball" means
they're doing their job.
VardaValar1: From a sporting term
Menelvagor Valar: ok :-)
Menelvagor Valar: soccer is my guess :-)
Eonwe Valar: imagine standing on top
of a rolling ball and not falling off :}
Eonwe Valar: or that :}
Menelvagor Valar: or perhaps from the
ArPharazonV: heh.... " translates in
sigmachat as "
VardaValar1: Concerning MeO:
Menelvagor Valar: try to type lol in
VardaValar1: on the rp, do you guys
want me to get us going on to Erebor now?
VardaValar1: Aye or nay is good
(SigmaChat): hmm... not sure... there's a lot to be done first before
we can get on our way
FarmerMaggotV: yah, it's a known
problem that some characters (the ones that need to be ecoded in HTML)
aren't transferred right (sorry to intrude)
Menelvagor Valar: I wouldn't mind either
VardaValar1: I can condense. Very
good at it when needed ;-)
Eonwe Valar: I was expecting a bit
of a debriefing of Calion, but we could skip that and get going.
ArPharazonV: in that case... want me
to summarize the 'report' from Calaron?
VardaValar1: Had also expected the
group late for the feast to walk in
Menelvagor Valar: it seems the least of
what needs to be done is me having a little chat with the king :-)
VardaValar1: Seeing everyone do the
dwarf dance before Erebor might shift some attitudes
ArPharazonV: I was thinking that
they may had discovered what this 'evil power' was that threatened us
in the woods
VardaValar1: We can just say he had
the chat and we are off, and he is brooding over it
ArPharazonV: dragons came to mind,
but they wouldn't be near as silent and shadowy
VardaValar1: Tolkien already
explained the darkness moving across Mirkwood ;-)
ArPharazonV: also from the North?
ArPharazonV: what we encountered?
VardaValar1: Ok, we can discuss that
elsewhere only concerns a few of us, sadly
ArPharazonV: it's part of the
report, or so I planned...
VardaValar1: We could take on new
folk in the rp right now if any would like to jump in at this point
ArPharazonV: but that report can be
skipped for now, so we can look at it retrospectively (sp?)
VardaValar1: So you want to do the
next post, Phar?
VardaValar1: Sp good
ArPharazonV: we would have to decide
what that post would be about, actually...
ArPharazonV: we gonna meet in the
atrium? me, Calaron, the King, and you guys?
VardaValar1: ok - will have to do
ArPharazonV: aye, ok
ArPharazonV: not today, though...
gonna have to go to bed soon
Menelvagor Valar: are we going to skip on
the judgment on Estarion by Thranduil as well?
VardaValar1: Unless anyone else
besides current rp'ers interested? Speak up?
VardaValar1: Can show results
ArPharazonV: should we gather
together somewhere in the following week? here, or in sigmachat?
ArPharazonV: or wait until the next
meeting until we can decide what to do next?
VardaValar1: I saw no postings and
was going to just run it along. Figured you guys got bored
ArPharazonV: lol, I actually had no
idea what to say...
Menelvagor Valar: actually was waiting on
VardaValar1: We were supposed to
have a couple of the guys who just came up enter the feast
ArPharazonV: or the atrium
VardaValar1: He already has us
dancing, needs reactions
VardaValar1: They were supposed to
come eat, then go to the atrium
ArPharazonV: which would be me and
Calaron, accompanied by the king and Auros
Menelvagor Valar: well, I have no idea
what dance :-)
Eonwe Valar: and a few other nobles
ArPharazonV: aye, including my
VardaValar1: Question, whoever is
actually following this conversation, please type Present
Menelvagor Valar: Present
ArPharazonV: not Eonwe?
Menelvagor Valar: seems Eonwe isn't :-P
VardaValar1: 14 of 128 have 4 present
VardaValar1: 5 :-)
ArPharazonV: Aiyata :-)
MaglorV: present... kinda
VardaValar1: I figure most gaming :-)
ArPharazonV: or reading Tolkien ;-)
Eonwe Valar: Present :}
VardaValar1: Would any of you like
to get into the rp on the Forum?
Eonwe Valar: just following more
than one conversation :}
VardaValar1: that's half of us
Menelvagor Valar: or having their
keyboards imprinted on their foreheads :-P
ArPharazonV: I was thinking of
ArPharazonV: but he has another,
very important job to do
Orodreth V: I've considrered the rp, but I might look into it again..
has a key role in the defense of Mirkwood
VardaValar1: Now is the time to jump
VardaValar1: Takes only the ability
Menelvagor Valar: Orodreth... you don't
actually need to read all of the story
VardaValar1: But it would not hurt
Orodreth V: Yes I do.
I myself didn't read anything at the point I jumped in
ArPharazonV: even a small thought
came to mind about Calaron replacing his elder brother in the
company... as you may remember, I was thinking about having Calion
corrupted by the Gulhuine or the Evil Power at one point
VardaValar1: We noticed
VardaValar1: Jot down your thoughts
and surprise us :-)
FarmerMaggotV: I think I'm gonna go
AFK for a bit (nap, something, somewhere, who knows..... I need a break)
Menelvagor Valar: well... I think it adds
to the credibility of a character who jumps in at a certain point and
does not know what happened prior to that moment
Orodreth V: I have this thing aabout knowing everything about a rp.
Namarie, Farmer, and thanks
Eonwe Valar: Fainan got appointed
second-in-command of the escort, so to speak, so she has to choose the
Silvan members of the party :}
ArPharazonV: I was thinking of
having Calion isolated or something during the journey, and being
captured, tormented, and brainwashed by the Evil Power
VardaValar1: I did and sent them to
the Atrium when they finish at the dance
VardaValar1: Sounds like standard
fare, Phar :-)
ArPharazonV: and after he besieged
the rest of the group, Calaron could come up, scare off or wound
Calion, and take his place on the Quest
VardaValar1: Or Calion could just
decide to stay since we are not keen on his wolf pet being with us
Eonwe Valar: Aye, don't think Auros
has forgotten about the wolf :}
ArPharazonV: so far, his wolf pet
remains in the care of Pharion, Calion's father
ArPharazonV: can't readily recall
the name of my elf-mother...
Eonwe Valar: and Calion's father is
in THranduil's halls, not watching the wolf? for shame.. :}
ArPharazonV: Helvy needed rest more
than medical aid
VardaValar1: *wolf slips off to find
Menelvagor Valar: I think I will bring up
a nice nifty surprise after we exit Mirkwood :-)
ArPharazonV: he was best left in the
village, and would have been not much more than a burden in the halls
VardaValar1: He can add to the
ArPharazonV: I may bring him further
on the Quest, but I may leave him behind
ArPharazonV: still pretty injured,
Menelvagor Valar: very nifty surprise :-D
Eonwe Valar: He needs to be guarded
ArPharazonV: he could indeed aid
Calaron in the defense of Mirkwood :-)
VardaValar1: Thranduil will be
sending a party to guard the smaller party, and a large war party to
clear the road and send a message about the problems to Elrond
ArPharazonV: like a watch-dog ;-)
VardaValar1: We can continue to
Erebor, past Lorien to the Dimrill stair as they did in the books
VardaValar1: Could add dwarves and
Lorien elves along the way if any want that :-)
VardaValar1: Or we can go with the
war party back to Elrond. Thranduil will give that choice
VardaValar1: We already know this
road is toast for the Fellowship
ArPharazonV: yeah, I think I'll
leave Calaron and Helvy behind together in the defense of Mirkwood...
will be a large burden off my back
Menelvagor Valar: or we could end up in
the fighting over Erebor and Dale :-)
VardaValar1: So we might want to
check out how bad it is
Orodreth V: OT: Just found a WoS world that uses graphics ripped from
Orodreth V: And WC3.
ah the joy, Oro
ArPharazonV: might be interesting to
play 2 stories at once, both as Helvy and as Calaron
VardaValar1: That would be quite a
while distant from our current time frame
ArPharazonV: and also as Calion
VardaValar1: You might want to write
a text story and send to the Encyc Stories section :-)
VardaValar1: More stories! yay!
Eonwe Valar: Auros is still Erebor
bound. He has friends (also scouts sent from Rivendell) he hopes to
VardaValar1: This rp talk is
something of an after-meeting guys
ArPharazonV: aye, but I have to be
leaving soon, so perhaps won't be around if we do get to Tolkien-topic
VardaValar1: You know which way
those scouts are coming from? Don't have to tell us
Menelvagor Valar: I think I will have a
friend of Estarion's join as soon as we exit Mirkwood :-)
mordacil: gotta go
VardaValar1: Bye, Aerandir
ArPharazonV: I think Calion is bound
to go with our small party, but Calaron will stay behind.. yes, that
would be the best thing to do
mordacil has left the room.
VardaValar1: why not in Mirkwood?
VardaValar1: unless he's a dwarf...
ArPharazonV: could write a war-story
of Mirkwood side by side with our Quest... would be quite interesting
Menelvagor Valar: because of some
developments, both in his story, as well as in this chat :-)
VardaValar1: One thing I tend to
forget is the big first dwarf elf friendship is Gimli and Legolas
VardaValar1: We are making it seem
Menelvagor Valar: I won't give specific
details, as it is to remain a surprise :-)
ArPharazonV: well, actually
VardaValar1: Thranduil started a
friendship with dwarves
Menelvagor Valar: not talking about a
Eonwe Valar: For Noldor it is
somewhat normal. You guys are taking a Dwarf pretty well for Silvans :}
VardaValar1: Maybe Elwing's bird ; )
ArPharazonV: there have been bonds
of friendship in the North since the Bo5A between Elves and Dwarves
ArPharazonV: not as close as Lego
and Gimli, but still no emnity
VardaValar1: Thranduil got together
with the dwarves at the Battle of Five Armies
Menelvagor Valar: enmity :-P
ArPharazonV: you're quite right
Menelvagor Valar: a future english
teacher needs to know his business :-)
VardaValar1: So are we going to have
the guys walk into the feast and see the dance we are doing with the
ArPharazonV: it's enemy, not emeny...
VardaValar1: Get a bite to eat, go
to the atrium?
VardaValar1: Or just say we are now
on the road to Erebor?
Menelvagor Valar: oh yes, something that
could go under member news:
ArPharazonV: well, I'd like the
atrium-bit still, but it's up to you
VardaValar1: Just looked as if we
had zero posts going is why I almost did it
ArPharazonV: could give us a chance
to put in place our plans, and not have to make them all up as we go
ArPharazonV: aye, I see... but this
chat here cleared up a lot, I'll be ready to post this week
Menelvagor Valar: a month or so back,
I've received my official admittance to college and getting my English
VardaValar1: Are your guys going to
do what they said they were and come to feast?
VardaValar1: Congrats, Menelvagor!
Menelvagor Valar: thanks :-)
Menelvagor Valar: will most likely be
starting next september
ArPharazonV: aye, I'll have Calaron,
Calion, and their parents, grab a bite while walking through the feast
to the atrium
ArPharazonV: should be accompanied
by Auros and Thranduil at least
VardaValar1: They don't know about
ArPharazonV: Congrats, Menel
ArPharazonV: aye, allright
VardaValar1: or do they, Will check
Menelvagor Valar: when that happens, I
will have very little time left for the Guild as I will probably
immersed in studying
VardaValar1: Eonwe is already like
ArPharazonV: we could walk towards
you, and ask for a small meeting, and you could say the atrium would be
the right place for that
VardaValar1: I need to get back to
work myself : )
Eonwe Valar: Aye, my biggest Guild
function is the weekly meeting :} Second biggest is the time I spend on
VardaValar1: Sounds like a plan
Menelvagor Valar: well.... saying that
because I've never really studied before, even in high-school, and I am
intent on making this a success
Eonwe Valar: (Rest of time goes to
school work etc :})
VardaValar1: What time do you come
on WoW, Eonwe? CST ;-)
ArPharazonV: hmm... considering the
time I spend for the Guild isn't that much (just meetings, forum, and
the occasional common chat/game) for now, I don't think any college
will truly get in the way
VardaValar1: Laytonrim nearly always
have someone on
Menelvagor Valar: EST -1 and GMT -7 for
FarmerMaggotV: heh, my biggest
contribution so far is the bridge.... but it, as with everything else I
do, only gets worked on when it catches my interest
Eonwe Valar: I try to be on Friday
either late after noon or evening, and some time on Sunday if I can.
VardaValar1: you were working on a
search for the Encyc for a while
VardaValar1: Thanks, Eonwe
FarmerMaggotV: yeah, I was wasn't
I..... I had forgotten about that
VardaValar1: Eonwe, you had
something about the guild charter?
[Note: refers to World of WarCraft Valar Guild's official mission
Eonwe Valar: Aye\
Eonwe Valar: The week is up, and
I'll be revising the charter with the comments that were sent in. The
Final draft will be ready in a couple of days, and hopefully up on the
WoW Guild page
shortly after that.
VardaValar1: Maglor, are you
there? [Note: Maglor is the Valar Guild WoW page handler]
Eonwe Valar: For those who asked on
the board and may not have had the chance to read my response,..
Eonwe Valar: Anywhere you se "see
here" or such, that's where a link will be in the draft. The links just
didn't copy from Word to the Forum.
Menelvagor Valar: Perhaps I can answer
that one.... (not your last one Eonwe)
Menelvagor Valar: I've emailed Arathorn
and Maglor in the past week
Menelvagor Valar: and altho Arathorn
hasn't responded yet, Maglor and I have decided that he will be
handling the flash part of the page (or layout) and Arathorn and I will
handle the rest
Menelvagor Valar: how exactly that will
be decided I will have to wait on
VardaValar1: Arathorn already has a
WoW screenshot page up. Just need to link to it and it can show in the
Menelvagor Valar: aye
Menelvagor Valar: I'll need access to the
page to handle the text part
Menelvagor Valar: but Maglor and I can
handle that between us :-)
Menelvagor Valar: Eonwe, can you send me
the links you intended through PM?
Eonwe Valar: I can just send you the
final copy when it's ready :}
Menelvagor Valar: fine by me
Menelvagor Valar: forum or email will do
Eonwe Valar: the links are already
in my Word copy.
Menelvagor Valar: than email would be
best I think
ArPharazonV: well, I gotta go, sorry
I can't make the Tolkien-topic
VardaValar1: I think we will all
need to leave
VardaValar1: The rp was something of
a Tolkien topic
ArPharazonV: yeah, ok
ArPharazonV: still not sure what
explanation he gave for the Shadow north of Mirkwood, though
VardaValar1: Give it a shot next
Menelvagor Valar: I have your topics
jotted down Phar, so you won't forget them :-)
VardaValar1: Shadow came from Dol
Eonwe Valar: Probably the Shadow
from Dul Guldur as it enveloped the Kingdom of Thranduil.
Menelvagor Valar: and from the North
probably from the goblins at Mt. Gundabad
ArPharazonV: also from the North?
hmm... what would that make our nameless Enemy?
VardaValar1: We were adding in an
extra one from mountains north of Dol Guldur, but south of the Path
VardaValar1: That way we could
choose to make a story line where we attack it
ArPharazonV: Nazgul were accounted
for, I guess
Eonwe Valar: we don't know what the
nameless enemy is, or it wouldn';t be nameless :}
VardaValar1: If we are not attacking
it, we can leave it at Dol Guldur
Menelvagor Valar: not always Eonwe
ArPharazonV: as I said, I was
thinking about a dragon of some sort, but that wouldn't do...
Eonwe Valar: What we do know is that
we're trying to avoid running into it right now :}
Menelvagor Valar: in a lot of stories
everyone perfectly knows what the Nameless enemy is
Menelvagor Valar: they just refuse to
speak his name :-)
ArPharazonV: Sauron :-)
VardaValar1: Since we are not
attacking it, it can remain the Tolkien style
Eonwe Valar: That would be the
"unnamed" Enemy then :}
Eonwe Valar: "The One whom we do not
ArPharazonV: aye, but it is going to
attack Mirkwood, perhaps... so I think we might have more dealings with
it before our rp is over
VardaValar1: If you speak the name,
it draws the being's attention, according to folklore
ArPharazonV: at least Calaron and
Helvy will, if they remain behind
VardaValar1: It has attacked Mirkwood
VardaValar1: Thranduil moved north
ArPharazonV: is it not true that if
you know the name, you gain power over him?
VardaValar1: Always attacking
VardaValar1: Not true, but is also
folklore, diff one there
ArPharazonV: that's what we
discussed in a 'god-discussion' in the war3 forum...
VardaValar1: They conflict a bit
ArPharazonV: why God was just known
VardaValar1: There are many bits of
VardaValar1: and Jehovah and Yahweh
VardaValar1: YHWH also
VardaValar1: but that is off topic
Eonwe Valar: The first two coming
from how you wish to pronounce the third.
ArPharazonV: it seems Yahweh and
Allah were also words meaning, or derived from, God, diety, being, etc
VardaValar1: Let's let Eonwe get in
some rare WoW time ;-)
VardaValar1: Religion is a good way
to get in an argument that convinces no side, just makes people upset
VardaValar1: Same for politics
VardaValar1: But we can talk Tolkien
and all have common ground
HeruRasa: being called to dinner,
see some of you later on WoW, namarie all
ArPharazonV: ah, here's the quote
from the forum...
ArPharazonV: Allah is likely a
contraction of al-aliah, which I understand is the generic Arabic word
for God. The Judeo-Christian God is frequently refered to as YHWH in
the Bible, which is often tranlated as Lord.
HeruRasa has left the room.
ArPharazonV: It is possible that it
orginally derived from a conjurgation of the Hebrew verb hawah, in its
third person imperfect singular form.
ArPharazonV: As such, it would mean
"He Who Is", which was no doubt mistranslated at some point in the
Bible's history as "I Am".Gogo pointless facts!
VardaValar1: That is not our Forum
ArPharazonV: no, but the war3 forum
ArPharazonV: ArPharazonV: that's what we
discussed in a 'god-discussion' in the war3 forum...
VardaValar1: Thanks for clearing
that up for transcript readers
VardaValar1: And of course they know
all and can say what is a mis-translation
VardaValar1: I would have to do some
research to comment
VardaValar1: Eowyn is the member of
the family along with Merry currently on
VardaValar1: Harana and Imrahil also
ArPharazonV: they probably read it
somewhere, in a book of on a website... as I raised the question,
actually, what Yahweh and Allah meant in their languages, I don't
really doubt that it's true
Eonwe Valar: Not to spur on the
discussion, but where it says "Lord" is not a translation.
Menelvagor Valar: is Harana responding?
Menelvagor Valar: I need Arathorn in here
VardaValar1: yes he's been talking
in the guild channel in WoW
VardaValar1: Go there :-)
VardaValar1: Meeting is over
Eonwe Valar: It's put ther einstead
of "YHWH" because the Israelites in normal use did not speak the name
of God: hence how we no longer know it's true pronunciation.
VardaValar1: Besides, the letters
are really numbers too
ArPharazonV: aye.. but anyway, where
we left off...
Eonwe Valar: As I recall, the High
Priest only knew how to pronounce it, and he passed it to the next high
priest before hi death.
Menelvagor Valar: I don't have WoW
Eonwe Valar: *his
VardaValar1: And you are doing a WoW
Menelvagor Valar: now that is an
interesting typo :-)
Eonwe Valar: So in the centuries
where Israel was conquered, the pronunciation was lost.
Menelvagor Valar: the high-priest and his
Menelvagor Valar: I don't have it yet
Menelvagor Valar: European release is
VardaValar1: We can pass it on -
what do you want to tell him?
VardaValar1: Can also email
VardaValar1: oh really! cool
VardaValar1: We are getting to
Gaming news late ; )
Menelvagor Valar: I need him to check and
respond his email :-)
Eonwe Valar: The scribes translating
the Bible simply followed the same belif system, that the name of God
shouldn't be spoken (or perhaps read as well, don't quite recall
specifics on that detail) so they put in Lord
ArPharazonV: but as I said, I do
have to go, will be saving transcript now
VardaValar1: Summary will help
VardaValar1: Harana now offline in
WoW, said goodbye
ArPharazonV: I'll be reading the
rest on the web next week, if my pc will let me ;-)
Eonwe Valar: Hence you get "I am
your Lord the LORD" and such.
Eonwe Valar: Ok, done teaching
ArPharazonV: saved transcript
ArPharazonV: praise the Lord
ArPharazonV: praise him with great
ArPharazonV: wait... wrong quote
VardaValar1: Namarie guys
ArPharazonV: Namarie... hold on,
until I've sent you the mail, so you can check
Menelvagor Valar: time for me to go to
bed as well
Menelvagor Valar: Namarie everyone
Menelvagor Valar has left the room.
ArPharazonV: sending it now...
MaglorV has left the room.
ArPharazonV: still waiting...
FarmerMaggotV: transcript is, as
usual, at http://sirg3.homeip.net/~joe/log.txt
VardaValar1: Also ok
to keep up the chat room just for fun use
VardaValar1: Thanks, Farmer
Eonwe Valar: afk for a sec
ArPharazonV: ok, that log just wiped
out my mail-window, don't know if it was sent
VardaValar1: Have some playtime,
too, Eonwe : )
VardaValar1: Not in yet
ArPharazonV: I'll resend
VardaValar1: Got it
FarmerMaggotV: I'll get around to
making some way to tell the dates on transcripts, but all in due time
ArPharazonV: ah, ok
ArPharazonV: yes, my 'sent'-folder
has it included now
VardaValar1: Good night :-)
ArPharazonV: Good night!
ArPharazonV: don't forget the
VardaValar1: 6:56pm EST here
VardaValar1: You have more?
ArPharazonV: btw, the Dutch official
WoW-site is now in operation
ArPharazonV: lemme find a quick link
Eonwe Valar: back
VardaValar1: Menel cancelled DAoC
ArPharazonV: is in
Dutch, though :-)
ArPharazonV: and not yet finished...
not even close... but it's getting there
VardaValar1: Fine. We have Dutch
VardaValar1: And those who can read
Dutch or something close
ArPharazonV: looking at the still
crossed-out links, they'll provide maps, monster-databases, items,
story, professions, even a dictionary...
VardaValar1: Those who can't read
English won't be able to game with us very well, however : )
ArPharazonV: they seem to have a
full forum as well, but haven't tried that yet
ArPharazonV: not really into Dutch
forums, except one for Morrowind ;-)
FarmerMaggotV: well, I'm gonna be out
of the chat -> back to doing stuff I suppose
VardaValar1: I need to be "doing
stuff" too : )
ArPharazonV: I think Dutch language
in videogames is quite laughable...
ArPharazonV: in fact, any
fantasy-story is very weird in Dutch
FallenGlory: You people should be
doing stuff like watching the Superbowl! Some of you are marring my
opinion of American Superbowl sundays!
ArPharazonV: too bad I'm not
FallenGlory: You don't want to ruin
the Canadian perception of the United States, do you?
FallenGlory: oh, well, that explains
VardaValar1: I never cared about
SuperBowl. I'm a girl ; )
FallenGlory: It's fun for the entire
FarmerMaggotV has left the room.
FallenGlory: teaches the importance
of teamwork and cooperation
VardaValar1: uh huh
FallenGlory: and healthy competition
VardaValar1: Rather do that in WoW
FallenGlory: Good stuff
FallenGlory: because I bought WoW!
VardaValar1: I like to play games.
Watching is rather dull
ArPharazonV: watching snooker is
usually pretty nice
ArPharazonV: or pool
FallenGlory: ah, well, I like
playing football as well as watching it
GwaihirValar: I am incredibly against
VardaValar1: You do know that we are
in Lothar server?
FallenGlory: no I don't
GwaihirValar: I think professional
sports is the second biggest disgrace of our current civilization
VardaValar1: What are you for,
FallenGlory: I do know
GwaihirValar: and a lot else
VardaValar1: Olwe, we have been
trying to tell everyone everywhere we know how
(SigmaChat): goodbye, leaving sigmachat now
GwaihirValar: but... I *REALLY* don't
care for professional sports.... really disturbs me... especially given
VardaValar1: Come join our guild on
Lothar when you get a chance
FallenGlory: lol, and who should I
speak to about that?
VardaValar1: Type /who valar
VardaValar1: tells who in the guild
VardaValar1: We have several on now
who can help
VardaValar1: We also can do /join
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Eonwe Valar: Professional sports are
fine, I prefer to play than watch, but if the players weren't getting
all that money, the owners would get it, and that's just not fair.
VardaValar1: for guild friends, alts
who are trying to locate someone
VardaValar1: Eonwe here is the
branch leader : )
VardaValar1: Talk to him
VardaValar1: I help out is all ; )
VardaValar1: I'm overall guild
VardaValar1: In other words, contact
person, receptionist, secretary
VardaValar1: web person
ArPharazonV: our communication
specialist, that's what you are
VardaValar1: Uhura, that's me
ArPharazonV: and we appreciate it...
ArPharazonV: wait, Uhura...
Eonwe Valar: Hmm, Varda needs an
VardaValar1: Olwe, try to grab your
name on Lothar while it's open if it is
Eonwe Valar: *earpiece
VardaValar1: I had one while working
for Compaq : )
Eonwe Valar: :}
ArPharazonV: Uhura.... ah, found it,
VardaValar1: Fancy black headset
VardaValar1: You had to look it up?
FallenGlory: hmmm, there's no naming
rules on WoW that prohibit using names from copyright works or
VardaValar1: They say there are
VardaValar1: I have Varda though
ArPharazonV: aye, original series
not my specialty... big fan of Next Generation and Voyager, though
VardaValar1: Ton of Tolkien names on
FallenGlory: so as long as Blizzard
just doesnt care to enforce their policy, its alright :-)
VardaValar1: If you can get yours,
why not? : )
VardaValar1: We also
VardaValar1: have a way around
VardaValar1: My main is Faina
VardaValar1: Means "I emit light"
Eonwe Valar: There is, so if you do
end up with a name change, just try to come up with one related to your
ArPharazonV: is Gilthoniel Varda as
VardaValar1: Cover yourself
Eonwe Valar: Aye, like Fainan being
related to Varda.
VardaValar1: Yes, but I do not have
it in WoW
VardaValar1: Half the Sil index is
VardaValar1: Varda is a string of
titles, hardly a name
ArPharazonV: I didn't see it in the
VardaValar1: Is an old joke
Eonwe Valar: It would help if we had
a guy to help do the digging for these names, someone who would dig
through the various books to find roots and try to match them into a
cohesive name.. A Name guy as it were...
VardaValar1: look on our Names page
for a few more
ArPharazonV: I saw Varda, Elentari,
Elbereth, but not Gilthoniel
VardaValar1: Irmo did it, now I
VardaValar1: Ton more
ArPharazonV: and all I have is
VardaValar1: I had the Names page
VardaValar1: And you can drop the
VardaValar1: Drop the Ar or Tar
ArPharazonV: Pharazon and Calion...
sure, where do you think I took my rp-name from?
VardaValar1: I could use helpers on
filling in the Names
VardaValar1: I know
VardaValar1: But answering your
comment for thers who read it
ArPharazonV: but Ar-Pharazon
literally means Golden King, or King of Gold
VardaValar1: and can be translated
ArPharazonV: if I called myself
Pharazon, I would just name myself Golden one
VardaValar1: Go with it into
Sindarin or Quenya
ArPharazonV: Pharaz = Gold
ArPharazonV: according to Appendix E
VardaValar1: I need people who want
to dig through the books for name versions
VardaValar1: After that,
translations are good, but label as translations
VardaValar1: These go in Encyc too
ArPharazonV: I wonder if I could
call my steed in WoW Alcarondas....
VardaValar1: I have too many pages
already, could use help
VardaValar1: Have another thing in
Encyc box to handle right now, more getting ready to hit
ArPharazonV: or just Quesselome, for
my NE character
ArPharazonV: but I gotta go
ArPharazonV has left the room.
Eonwe Valar: I'm gonna go ahead and
Eonwe Valar: Take care everyone.
Eonwe Valar has left the room.
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