Valar Guild

December 25, 2005 Meeting

5pm EST (GMT -5)

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Bridging program by Farmer Maggot-(V)
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Transcript work by:  transcript from Ar-Pharazon-(Valar)
and webwork by Varda-(Valar)

Attending list and who belongs to that odd AIM name anyway?  :)  (11)
    ArathornValar, ArPharazonV (presided over Tolkien), Arwen V1, Eonwe Valar (presided over Business), FladrifV, Gil-galad-(V)/Xseanzee disco, GwaihirValar, FarmerMaggot-(V), Menelvagor Valar, Orodreth V, Thorondor-(Valar)/ThorondorV
    Varda was away, working on Christmas for her large family as hostess, cook, and chief bottle-washer.

Meeting Begins
    New member: Fundin-(V), a Member of Honor sponsored by Orome-(Valar)
    News: Christmas look
    Stories: by Barahir-(V) and Jay of Lasgalen
    Links: Under Nifty: name generator
    WoW Lothar: 32 primary members with multiple accounts. Scholo and Dire Maul
    WoW Europe: Molten Core but too many people disappeared after the server went down, but did it the next day.
    Bnet: Orodreth's bot report and warning
    Ar-Pharazon's topics:
        How were the first Orcs created?
        What was the exact nature of Tom Bombadil?
    Arwen's topic:
       What are Maiar?
    WoW talk

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Eonwe Valar: HoHoHo! Merry Christmas!
Xseanzee disco: merry christmas!
ArPharazonV: Hohoho
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ThorondorV: Heya all
ArPharazonV: and Aiya
Menelvagor Valar: oh yeah, sunday already :-)
ArPharazonV: time flies :-)
Xseanzee disco: check the tree in ironforge
ArPharazonV: "and he threw his alarmclock through the window"
Xseanzee disco: santas got some pressies
Eonwe Valar: We'll give it a couple of minutes then jump right in. Mealtime is near.
Eonwe Valar: Everyone, please say heya for the roll so I don't have to write it down right now :}
FarmerMaggotV: heya
ArPharazonV: heya
ThorondorV: blip
Eonwe Valar: Aye, all WoW players should stop by Ironforge and see what Greatfather Winter has under the tree for them.
ArPharazonV: he actually has presents today?
Eonwe Valar: 5 of them :}
Eonwe Valar: I got a mechanical Greench :}
ArPharazonV: I'm too far away from IF for that now... but I'll go visit him tomorrow
ThorondorV: Sounds nice :-)
ArPharazonV: or does it have to be done today?
Eonwe Valar: Sadly once you pull the greench out of the box he gets a 10 day timer
Eonwe Valar: Probably today Phar
ArPharazonV: dang
ArPharazonV: ok, to WoW!
Eonwe Valar: Everyone's been heard for the roll?
ThorondorV: Any idea does anybody in the guild play Sacred?
GwaihirValar: there are 5 you can get if you're 60, one of them is 40+, one is 20+, one is 10+, and 2 can be gotten by anyone
GwaihirValar: (about the IF gifts under the tree)
Eonwe Valar: I have a 53 who got 5 gives, so it's 50+ for 5.
Eonwe Valar: *gives = gifts
GwaihirValar: at 40 you can get the fifth gift :-)
Eonwe Valar: and my 60 only got 5, so max of 5 :}
GwaihirValar: aye
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Eonwe Valar: ok, misread what you typed Gwaihir.
GwaihirValar: as I said, 2 for anyone, and one is 10+, one 20+, one 40+ :-)
GwaihirValar: to make it a bit clearer ;-)
Eonwe Valar: Heya Arathorn and Merry Christmas :}
Eonwe Valar: Speak up for the roll so I don't have to write it down right now :}
GwaihirValar: the 40+ is the mechanical greench, the 20+ is the one where you can get the jingling bell // helper packages
GwaihirValar: the 10+ you get the snowman thingy
GwaihirValar: and the non-level-restricted you get cookies and egg-nog or food
ArathornValar: *does the high instance dance!..*
Eonwe Valar: Ok, gotta make this meeting quick :}
Xseanzee disco: i love the little helper haha.

Eonwe Valar: Elenn Sila Lumenn Omentielvo!
Eonwe Valar: Membership:
FarmerMaggotV: oh, btw, Orodreth wanted me to relay a message
Eonwe Valar: Merry Christmas!
Eonwe Valar: Go ahead Farmer.
FarmerMaggotV: "here's the iudea: LEafieslover is back, he messaged my bot Wed. or Thurs. I've seen about 4 guildpeoples in the 3 weeks I've been running the bot."
ArPharazonV: ok, I got 5 packages
ArPharazonV: will start opening them tomorrow
Eonwe Valar: That guy is back after this long? he must have nothing better to do.
ArPharazonV: I remember him...
Eonwe Valar: One would've thought he would've moved on, got a job, a girlfriend, or something :}
ThorondorV: the guy who stole Quickbeams account?
ArPharazonV: I also remember flaming him in guildchat... must be careful to restrain myself if he shows up again
Eonwe Valar: That's him THorondor.
Eonwe Valar: He has little chance of ever getting in here, but just quelch him in the off chance. Don't waste your breth, but let him waste his.
Eonwe Valar: *breath
Eonwe Valar: Any other member news?
Eonwe Valar: Hopefully anyone not here is enjoying their Christmas dinner :}

Eonwe Valar: Web news:
Eonwe Valar: Check out the Christmas look Varda gave the News Page :}
Eonwe Valar: Nice picture of our favorite author :}
Eonwe Valar: Also a new story for the story page by Barahir.
Eonwe Valar: Morgoth in Exile: Timeless Thoughts
Eonwe Valar: "With Friends Like These" by Jay of Lasgalen chapters 8 through 15 are up.
Eonwe Valar: Under the "Nifty" section on the Links Page:
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Eonwe Valar: Unitarian Jihad Name Generator - link sent from Elwing-(V), who picked it up from the Society for Creative Anachonisms emails.
Eonwe Valar: The First Reformed Jihad Name Generator - oh come on, you were going to click this link from the above page!
Eonwe Valar: DOn't ask, I haven't looked.
Eonwe Valar: SO I can't tell you a thing about it :}
ArPharazonV: apparently I'm Brother/Sister Pointy Implement of Undeclared Compassion

Eonwe Valar: Gaming:
Eonwe Valar: We have 32 members in the group, almost enough for a raid in and our ourselves, if we were all 60 :}
Eonwe Valar: We of course have many alts too :}
Eonwe Valar: Some of us more than many :}
Eonwe Valar: We had trips to Scholomance and Dire Maul on Friday Guild questing.
ArathornValar: grrr
Eonwe Valar: Dire Maul went better than Scholomance :}
ArPharazonV: calm down, Arathorn... we know you fell asleep :-)
Eonwe Valar: We'll get many more shots, I assure you :}
ArathornValar: I missed it cause I was SOOO asleep!
ArathornValar: ZZzzzz
ThorondorV: Time for me to go again.. early morning tomorrow
ArPharazonV: Namarie!
ThorondorV: g'night
Eonwe Valar: Phar or Menel, anything you have about Valar Guild guys in Europe gaming?
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ArPharazonV: heh... raiding in Europe was fun
ArPharazonV: we had Lucifron and Magmadar scheduled for Thursday, the first 2 bosses of Molten Core
ArPharazonV: but the server went down, at least the login-sever
ArPharazonV: *server
Eonwe Valar: (Looks like we're setting a meeting record btw :})
ArPharazonV: that night at midnight we managed to pull off a late really, starting with less people than optimal, and went in...
ArPharazonV: *rally
ArPharazonV: we killed Lucifron as an add, but wiped on a group of thrashmobs...
ArPharazonV: the next day we did the rest of the instance, and nailed Ragnaros, the Firelord, in one glorious try!
ArPharazonV: Fladrif was there for the Thursday raid, I think I recall him getting his Tranquilizing tome
ArPharazonV: I got my Cenarion Bracers (just 2 pieces to go!), and made a profit of 500 gold by selling items I found in Silithus and Scholomance... my epic mount is getting closer :-)
ArPharazonV: and that's about all the stuff I want to say, I guess...
ArPharazonV: Menel got any news?
Eonwe Valar: Thanks Phar. One more thing for Member News: Fundin has joined us as a Member of Honor, sponsored by Orom�.
Eonwe Valar: If no more gaming, on to Tolkien.
Eonwe Valar: Dinner is ready and I can't keep everyone waiting, so I leave you to either discuss the Nature of Arda or to go about your business Spreading Valar Guild joy :}
ArPharazonV: ok, enjoy your meal
Eonwe Valar: Business is done :}
Eonwe Valar: Thanks :}
Eonwe Valar: Take care all and Merry Christmas :}
ArPharazonV: ok then... let's start with: is there anyone but me present?
Arwen V1: Merry Christmas!
ArPharazonV: Merry Christmas!@
ArPharazonV: -@
ArPharazonV: *pokes everyone*
Arwen V1: =P
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ArPharazonV: ok, the classic Tolkien topics...
ArPharazonV: how were the first Orcs created?
Arwen V1: I know what the movie said, but beyond that I'm clueless =)
ArPharazonV: my explanation: Morgoth kidnapped Elves from Cuivienen, bred the first Orcs from them, and later used captured Elves and Humans as new blood
ArPharazonV: anyone have an alternative answer?
Arwen V1: not me!
ArPharazonV: Motion accepted. Problem solved. Next question:
ArPharazonV: What was the exact nature of Tom Bombadil?
Arwen V1: were there any unaccounted for valar?
ArPharazonV: valar, not that I'm aware of... but he could be some Maia, of Yavanna perhaps
Arwen V1: ahh, or one of those =P
ArPharazonV: we also have Goldberry, the daughter of the river... now we know Maia can't have children, except when "mating" with Elf or other species
Arwen V1: so was the river not what it seemed?
ArPharazonV: so maybe some water-Maia of Ulmo fell in love with an elf on the Great March, or in later times
Arwen V1: ah
ArPharazonV: there could be a Maia embodying the river, indeed
ArPharazonV: and thus, Goldberry was born
Arwen V1: I'm not sure I even understand the concept of Maia
ArPharazonV: the riverdaughter ;-)
Arwen V1: what are they?
ArPharazonV: they are spirits made before Arda, like the Valar, but lessened in power and usually in their vassalage
Arwen V1: and Arda is the world?
ArPharazonV: well, lesser in power, not lessened
ArPharazonV: aye
Arwen V1: how were they made?
ArPharazonV: so they were created before the Music
Arwen V1: ahh, before the music
ArPharazonV: they were created by Iluvatar before the music, in which they participated
Arwen V1: the bit about the Music was all I've read of the Sil..
ArPharazonV: they were just like the Valar, but with less power, as I said
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Orodreth V: Aiya
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Arwen V1: oops, the x button is not the - button
Orodreth V: Haha.
Arwen V1: what did I miss?
ArPharazonV: just Orodreth entering :-)
ArPharazonV: and saying Aiya
ArPharazonV: Aiya Oro!
Arwen V1: ooh! welcome Orodreth!
ArPharazonV: anyway, it is said that Valar and Maiar can take physical shapes if they want, but also remain without bodies
ArPharazonV: so it is definitely possible, IMO, that a Maia of Ulmo inhabitated that river near the Shire
Arwen V1: why would hte Maia be of Ulmo?
Arwen V1: *the
ArPharazonV: well, Ulmo is the Lord of Water, and I would assume any water-spirits to be of his order
ArPharazonV: but she could also have been a Maia of Lorien, Yavanna, or anyone...
Arwen V1: ah, so the valar have dominions?
ArPharazonV: the Valar take responsibility for various elements in Arda and the heavens about it, depending on what part they had in the Music
ArPharazonV: for Ulmo, it was water, for example
Arwen V1: ahh
Arwen V1: Lorien ... from that valar comes the name Lothlorien?
Orodreth V: Yes.
Arwen V1: what does the Loth mean?
ArPharazonV: flower, I think
Arwen V1: cool =)
ArPharazonV: Lothlorien means something like Dreamflower or something... I'd have to look that up in the Unfinished Tales
Arwen V1: what was Lorien's responsibility?
ArPharazonV: visions and dreams
Arwen V1: ahh, that makes sense then
ArPharazonV: his name is actually Irmo, but his dwelling is named Lorien, and he is often named by that
Arwen V1: ahh
ArPharazonV: anyway, so it could be surmised that Goldberry could actually be the River's daughter, despite the fact that Valar and Maiar cannot have children among themselves
Arwen V1: yup
ArPharazonV: and Tom Bombadil could be a Maia of Yavanna or something
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FladrifV: Aiya!
Arwen V1: whats Yavanna's area of expertise?
Arwen V1: Aiya!
FladrifV: Mery x-mas
Orodreth V: Plants and aimals
ArPharazonV: life, fruits, plants, etc

Menelvagor Valar: short meeting lol.
ArPharazonV: yup
FladrifV: /me hass all kind of lights in his arms
ArPharazonV: well, Menel, start contributing ;-)
Menelvagor Valar: didn't even outlast me finishing my Age of Mythology game ;p
ArPharazonV: and we're still at Tolkien!
ArPharazonV: meeting not over
FladrifV: ok just wanted to say hi im going to sleep
FladrifV: namarie
ArPharazonV: Namarie
Menelvagor Valar: yeah, I know, however, I'm just about as tired as Ragnaros is of getting killed all the time.
ArPharazonV: Ragnaros? killed all the time?
ArPharazonV: hah... imagine how VanCleef feels...
Arwen V1: lol
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Arwen V1: a few days ago I was in dm groups that were trying to kill VanCleef, and out of about 6 groups that day, only one reached him alive
Arwen V1: it was kind of funny in a pitiful way.
ArPharazonV: :-)
ArPharazonV: I still have to kill VanCleef with my paladin... she's 26 by now, and still hasn't gotten to him
ArPharazonV: is largely able to solo Wailing Caverns by now, though :-)
ArPharazonV: Seal of Command is so good..
Arwen V1: cool =D where are the wailing caverns?
ArPharazonV: too bad about the proc-rate
Arwen V1: never gotten to there
ArPharazonV: in the Barrens, about 18-24, I think
Arwen V1: ahh, I've never done Barrens
ArPharazonV: there are some quests you can get for it in Ratchet, or above the Wailing Caverns... doable by both Alliance and Horde
ArPharazonV: so far I've done all but one of them, by myself :-)
Arwen V1: cool =)
Arwen V1: is it an instance?
GwaihirValar: well I'm going to head to sleep now, goodnigt peopleses.. merry winter's veil and happy holidays to you all!
Arwen V1: night Gwaihir!
ArPharazonV: aye, it is, but there's also an easier pre-instance area where most of the quests are located
ArPharazonV: night!
ArPharazonV: Namarie!
Arwen V1: very cool!
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Arwen V1: I have a priest thats right in that lvl range =)
Arwen V1: though I'd have to run her down stv
ArPharazonV: stranglethorn vale?
Arwen V1: yup
ArPharazonV: I went by boat from Menethil to Theramore, and made a rather hazardous swim across the coastline to Ratchet... died 3 times there
Arwen V1: ouch o.O
ArPharazonV: upon arrival, I took the boat to Ratchet, got the flightpoint, and things were easy from then
Arwen V1: running down stv isnt so bad
ArPharazonV: *took the boat to Booty Bay
Arwen V1: brb
Arwen V1: back, sorry, I tried to breath tea, then spilled it all over myself with coughing =/
ArPharazonV: :-)
Arwen V1: is your lvl 26 your highest character?
ArPharazonV: no, I have a lvl 60 druid
ArPharazonV: and a bunch of alts with lvl 12 as highest...
ArPharazonV: lvl 60's already participating in Molten Core and Zul'Gurub, and doing quests in lower instances..
ArPharazonV: these days I'm mostly farming in Silithus for money and runecloth, though.. I've my eyes set upon a Swift Gray Ram, and that's not easily gotten as an elf :-)
Arwen V1: cool =D
Arwen V1: I have a 46 warrior, and a 21 priest, and like.. a 16 mage and a 6 warlock and a7 hunter =D
Arwen V1: oh, and a 6 priest on another server which is horde
ArPharazonV: 60 druid, 26 paladin, 12 rogue, 1 mage, 1 hunter, 1 warrior, 1 warlock, 1 priest, on same server
ArPharazonV: lvl 1 warlock, horde, on another server
ArPharazonV: lvl 7 shaman and lvl 8 rogue, both horde, on yet another server
ArPharazonV: but I haven't played with those last 3 in a long time
Orodreth V: I'm running evel 2 missions in a rifter on eve, so there. :D
ArPharazonV: :-)
Orodreth V: /me hugs his 280mm scout arty
ArPharazonV: let's see, what were my names..
ArPharazonV: Calaron, Alcaria, Caldros, Caldaera, Caliona, Caldarion, Calrana, Caligonn, Caldera, Calos, and... dang, can't remember the last one :-)
ArPharazonV: what was the name of my troll rogue..
ArPharazonV: ok, now I'm annoyed.. brb, gonna look it up
ArPharazonV: ok, his name was Armenelos
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ArPharazonV: anyway, it seems the meeting is over
ArPharazonV: I shall save and send the transcript :-)