Valar Guild

May 9, 2004 Meeting

AIM: Valar Guild Meetingplace
5pm EST, 22:00 GMT

    Transcript from Arathorn-(V), after-meeting from Varda. (Weird problem making links work. May have another bug to stomp.)
News Page

Meeting Begins 
    Links page
    Stories page
    Valar Guild joined the protein folding helpers (yes, real protein research). See how to help
    Middle-earth Online      
    Faramir's son - topic from Varda
    Faramir's death date - topic from Varda
    What was Tom Bombadil? - topic from Arathorn. Wandered only a bit, got into ents, entwives


(4:34:18 PM) ArPharazonV has entered the room.
(4:34:40 PM) FarmerMaggotV has entered the room.
FarmerMaggotV (4:34:44 PM): AFK, shower
(4:35:06 PM) Orodreth V has entered the room.
ArPharazonV (4:35:30 PM): Aiya
(4:36:22 PM) alwin0 has entered the room.
ArPharazonV (4:36:29 PM): Aiya
ArPharazonV (4:36:39 PM): let's see how many show up today
alwin0 (4:36:46 PM): Hi
alwin0 (4:37:05 PM): at least 4 :-)
ArPharazonV (4:37:24 PM): well, yeah... but G3 is afk, and Orodreth is half
asleep ;-)
alwin0 (4:37:49 PM): ok correction
alwin0 (4:37:55 PM): at least 2.5 :-)
ArPharazonV (4:38:18 PM): quite a crowd :-)
alwin0 (4:39:27 PM): manwe has troubles controling this crowd
ArPharazonV (4:39:45 PM): :-)
ArPharazonV (4:40:19 PM): there's a new 8-bit comic :-)
ArPharazonV (4:40:38 PM): episode 418
alwin0 (4:40:57 PM): brb need a beer
ArPharazonV (4:44:10 PM): this
is a great one, combo with war3 :-)
FarmerMaggotV (4:49:56 PM): back :-)
ArPharazonV (4:50:00 PM): Aiyata
(4:50:14 PM) VardaValar1 has entered the room.
FarmerMaggotV (4:50:18 PM): Aiya Varda!
ArPharazonV (4:50:19 PM): Hail
VardaValar1 (4:50:24 PM): Mae govannen : )
VardaValar1 (4:50:54 PM): Hoping not to crash : )
ArPharazonV (4:51:09 PM): There is always hope
VardaValar1 (4:51:28 PM): Now inviting
VardaValar1 (4:51:41 PM): Hoping everyone learns how to enter on their own
eventually : )}
ArPharazonV (4:51:56 PM): perhaps, some day
FarmerMaggotV (4:52:21 PM): If we're lucky heh
Orodreth V (4:53:54 PM): Already here. :-)
ArPharazonV (4:54:11 PM): yeah, because I invited you ;-)
VardaValar1 (4:54:19 PM): Lucky you, double invited two folks already!
(4:54:48 PM) GwaihirValar has entered the room.
GwaihirValar (4:54:50 PM): hi
ArPharazonV (4:54:55 PM): Aiya
VardaValar1 (4:55:10 PM): Aiya!
ArPharazonV (4:55:15 PM): this is already turning into a bigger group then last
time :-)
FarmerMaggotV (4:55:34 PM): lemme get the bridge open (almost forgot heh)
(4:55:36 PM) ArathornValar has entered the room.
ArPharazonV (4:55:41 PM): Aiya
VardaValar1 (4:55:43 PM): Good plan1
(4:55:43 PM) FallenGlory has entered the room.
VardaValar1 (4:55:45 PM): Aiya
VardaValar1 (4:55:54 PM): Aiya Olwe
(4:55:54 PM) LuthienV has entered the room.
FallenGlory (4:55:57 PM): hey
GwaihirValar (4:56:00 PM): hey there :-)
LuthienV (4:56:03 PM): hi
VardaValar1 (4:56:04 PM): Luthien! Great to see you
FarmerMaggotV (4:56:07 PM): Aiya luthien! :-)
(4:56:12 PM) ThorondorV has entered the room.
ThorondorV (4:56:19 PM): heyhey
(4:56:21 PM) HuanofValar has entered the room.
ArPharazonV (4:56:31 PM): Aiya you all
VardaValar1 (4:56:35 PM): Aiya aiya : )
ArPharazonV (4:56:49 PM): Aiyaiyaiyaiya (four people)
VardaValar1 (4:56:52 PM): hehe
ThorondorV (4:56:55 PM): :-)
VardaValar1 (4:56:57 PM): See anyone we left out?
ThorondorV (4:57:21 PM): I'm pretty tired.. prolly going to bed soon, but I'll
stay for a while at least
ArPharazonV (4:57:25 PM): meneldil?
ArPharazonV (4:57:41 PM): although he is mobile
VardaValar1 (4:57:44 PM): What name?
(4:57:48 PM) bnetValar has entered the room.
ArPharazonV (4:57:59 PM): MeneldilValar
VardaValar1 (4:58:02 PM): Bridge going ok now?
FarmerMaggotV (4:58:04 PM): Yup
FarmerMaggotV (4:58:14 PM): It still needs a rewrite but I've been busy :-(
VardaValar1 (4:58:19 PM): I don't see him on
VardaValar1 (4:58:25 PM): Feel free to invite
VardaValar1 (4:58:27 PM): Know the feeling : )
VardaValar1 (4:59:14 PM): I show 5pm EST.

VardaValar1 (4:59:24 PM): Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo
VardaValar1 (4:59:30 PM): Member News:
VardaValar1 (4:59:36 PM): Turgon emailed
VardaValar1 (4:59:41 PM): now on the News page
VardaValar1 (4:59:58 PM): He's still having trouble reaching the internet, but
can make it now and then
VardaValar1 (5:00:02 PM): New member:
VardaValar1 (5:00:09 PM): actually very old member rejoining
VardaValar1 (5:00:11 PM): Bilbo
VardaValar1 (5:00:24 PM): He was the original Bilbo in the guild, later Maia
VardaValar1 (5:00:40 PM): Anyone remember him?
VardaValar1 (5:00:53 PM): He shows up in Bnet sometimes as Gotta Scratch
ArPharazonV (5:00:54 PM): ok, meneldil can't be invited...
VardaValar1 (5:01:02 PM): and EverQuest as Latiralis, a 65
VardaValar1 (5:01:14 PM): No one?
FarmerMaggotV (5:01:22 PM): nay, sorry
VardaValar1 (5:01:25 PM): np
ArPharazonV (5:01:28 PM): too new :-)
VardaValar1 (5:01:33 PM): He's my youngest son, 21 years old
VardaValar1 (5:01:54 PM): He would be at the meeting but he's helping a buddy
move to a new home
ArPharazonV (5:01:55 PM): is there anyone in your family who isn't a member?
VardaValar1 (5:02:00 PM): Not anymore : )
FarmerMaggotV (5:02:04 PM): heh
VardaValar1 (5:02:22 PM): Any other member news?

VardaValar1 (5:02:35 PM): Web News:
VardaValar1 (5:02:45 PM): New for the Links page:
VardaValar1 (5:02:52 PM): Emyn Arnen
VardaValar1 (5:03:13 PM): It's a fanfic page including book info and Tolkien
art, for Faramir and Eowyn
VardaValar1 (5:03:40 PM): A Tolkien fan sent in the link to help me find the son
of Faramir
VardaValar1 (5:03:46 PM): Story page:
VardaValar1 (5:04:01 PM): Our own Eonwe-(Valar) sent in two new stories:
VardaValar1 (5:04:09 PM): Parting Ways
VardaValar1 (5:04:14 PM): about Elros and Elrond
VardaValar1 (5:04:23 PM): and Beyond Regrets
VardaValar1 (5:04:31 PM): with the Witch-king and Mouth of Sauron
VardaValar1 (5:04:44 PM): Any web news from any of you?
(5:04:54 PM) DemonicHorde69 has entered the room.
VardaValar1 (5:04:58 PM): Aiya : )
ArPharazonV (5:05:00 PM): Aiya
DemonicHorde69 (5:05:03 PM): aiya all
DemonicHorde69 (5:05:07 PM): brb in one minute
VardaValar1 (5:05:08 PM): Nearly through the business : )
VardaValar1 (5:05:09 PM): ok

VardaValar1 (5:05:14 PM): Gaming :
VardaValar1 (5:05:30 PM): Galdor has vanquished the Diablo Clone
VardaValar1 (5:05:39 PM): with help from notables such as
VardaValar1 (5:05:42 PM): Thorondor
ArathornValar (5:05:47 PM): Got my Necro all the way thru with some help... in
ladder... level 80
VardaValar1 (5:05:53 PM): screenies on the News
VardaValar1 (5:05:59 PM): Wow! Congrats!
VardaValar1 (5:06:12 PM): Thorondor, if you are still conscious, would you like
to tell the tale?
GwaihirValar (5:06:21 PM): Diablo Clone is great fun to fight...
GwaihirValar (5:06:26 PM): I wanna fight him more oftenhehe
ArPharazonV (5:06:35 PM): what exactly is Diablo Clone?
VardaValar1 (5:06:50 PM): I want to go after him too : )
GwaihirValar (5:06:54 PM): a much more powerful version of Diablo that spawns in
place of a SuperUnique monster on rare occasions
GwaihirValar (5:07:08 PM): my zeal paladin slaughtered him lol at level 70 :-)
DemonicHorde69 (5:07:08 PM): its when enough sojs are sold to the vendors
GwaihirValar (5:07:16 PM): supposedly
DemonicHorde69 (5:07:22 PM): there trying to stem the online population of sojs
by giving incentive
VardaValar1 (5:07:30 PM): Galdor got him in Valar/Valar
DemonicHorde69 (5:07:33 PM): its also the only monster capable of dropping
GwaihirValar (5:07:41 PM): what I think it is is that every time an SoJ is sold
it has a random chance to spawn Diablo Clone in all Hell games
VardaValar1 (5:07:44 PM): The sojs seem to be actually a counter
DemonicHorde69 (5:07:57 PM): yea in hell games randomly hell spawn once enough
are sold
GwaihirValar (5:08:08 PM): I don't think it has anything to do with a specific
number though
DemonicHorde69 (5:08:11 PM): doesnt matter if your the seller and he might spawn
in more then one game i did a bit of studying on it
(5:08:30 PM) Eonwe Valar has entered the room.
ArPharazonV (5:08:33 PM): Aiya
GwaihirValar (5:08:37 PM): I think it's completely random... every soj sold has
some % chance to trigger Diablo Clone
VardaValar1 (5:08:54 PM): Aiya author : )
Eonwe Valar (5:09:00 PM): Heya all
Eonwe Valar (5:09:09 PM): :}
VardaValar1 (5:10:00 PM): Fangorn says hi, he is running off to work now
VardaValar1 (5:10:07 PM): Sauron and Eowyn say hi
ArPharazonV (5:10:14 PM): ok, 1 more question: what is a SoJ?
VardaValar1 (5:10:19 PM): Stone of Jordan
GwaihirValar (5:10:24 PM): it's a unique ring
GwaihirValar (5:10:31 PM): that was used as currency for a long time

VardaValar1 (5:10:51 PM): Farmer Maggot has some info for us. Go ahead, Farmer
FarmerMaggotV (5:11:08 PM): Ok, I was thinking about getting a Folding at Home team
FarmerMaggotV (5:11:40 PM): It's pretty much an application that runs on your
computer that folds protiens
FarmerMaggotV (5:11:49 PM):
FarmerMaggotV (5:12:05 PM): They think that some diseases such as Alzheimer
(5:12:18 PM) ArathornValar has left the room.
FarmerMaggotV (5:12:31 PM): 's, mad cow, Parkinson's and a few other diseases are a
result of protiens misfolding
(5:12:52 PM) ArathornValar has entered the room.
ArathornValar (5:13:02 PM): <sigh>.. aim crashed
ArPharazonV (5:13:36 PM): well, mikenowo's still here, so... that's you too,
isn't it?
FarmerMaggotV (5:13:47 PM): So, folding at home folds protiens to try to figure out
why they misfold and how those diseases start / are caused
mikenowo (5:13:51 PM): yeah... tis
ArPharazonV (5:14:06 PM): and he did not crash?
(5:14:16 PM) AragornValar has entered the room.
ThorondorV (5:14:17 PM): Err sorry, I have been reading a thread, about the
clone, Galdor just whisped me to get some help, DC spawned in the cold plains,
and we had no trouble killing him with many high-lvl characters
AragornValar (5:14:30 PM): hi
ArPharazonV (5:14:40 PM): Aiya
AragornValar (5:14:53 PM): took some time to figure out how it worked and so on
AragornValar (5:14:54 PM): =)
FarmerMaggotV (5:14:59 PM): I was hoping the guild could get a team together and help
them out.
VardaValar1 (5:15:18 PM): Don't we apply separately?
Eonwe Valar (5:15:23 PM): Heya :} Is this our Aragorn? Haven't seen you in a
some time :}
AragornValar (5:15:27 PM): yea
AragornValar (5:15:32 PM): i know
FarmerMaggotV (5:15:34 PM): We can create a team for all the Valar guild people
VardaValar1 (5:15:36 PM): Aiya Aragorn : )
AragornValar (5:15:43 PM): not been playing cpu for some time
AragornValar (5:15:52 PM): and when i did i played in northrend
ArPharazonV (5:16:31 PM): wow, another European, eh?
AragornValar (5:16:34 PM): hehe'
AragornValar (5:16:36 PM): swe
FarmerMaggotV (5:16:43 PM): The download link for the program is here: ml
VardaValar1 (5:17:03 PM): Try dropping in on East, USA. That's default for all
guild games
ThorondorV (5:17:44 PM): Ah, jag är från Finland..
AragornValar (5:17:52 PM): nice
FarmerMaggotV (5:18:23 PM): When Folding launches it'll ask you for a username and
team number (and maybe some more stuff, can't remember :P)
VardaValar1 (5:18:26 PM): We had to have some way to get together
VardaValar1 (5:18:39 PM): So how do we get a team number?
FarmerMaggotV (5:18:45 PM): If I have (or can get) permission to register for a team
FarmerMaggotV (5:19:29 PM): The username by the way can be anything (as long as it
isn't already taken, I used my email address)
VardaValar1 (5:19:42 PM): You can register us and we can post the number on the
News and Forum?
FarmerMaggotV (5:20:03 PM): Ok, team name -> Valar Guild,team url ->
(5:20:11 PM) GaldorV has entered the room.
GaldorV (5:20:18 PM): Aiya all
VardaValar1 (5:20:22 PM): Aiya
ArPharazonV (5:20:28 PM): Aiya
VardaValar1 (5:20:34 PM): And we need a number?
FarmerMaggotV (5:20:43 PM): team logo ->
-> ???password -> ???email address -> ???
FarmerMaggotV (5:21:03 PM): I don't know what to fill in for the username, password,
and email address for the form
FarmerMaggotV (5:21:24 PM): Should I put my info?
VardaValar1 (5:21:34 PM): for team
FarmerMaggotV (5:21:49 PM): yeah, for creating a team
GaldorV (5:21:55 PM): Happy MDay to our Guild Mother
VardaValar1 (5:21:56 PM): how about our current pass
VardaValar1 (5:21:59 PM): Thanks : )
VardaValar1 (5:22:10 PM): Username, trickier
FarmerMaggotV (5:22:13 PM): ok
Eonwe Valar (5:22:19 PM): Hehe, indeed, Happy Mother's Day to all the Mothers of
our Guild :}
VardaValar1 (5:22:20 PM): Valar or other suggestions, guys?
FarmerMaggotV (5:22:28 PM): I'll use my email address, or should I use some one
VardaValar1 (5:22:43 PM): yours is good
FarmerMaggotV (5:22:46 PM): ok
VardaValar1 (5:22:50 PM): You are now the project leader : )
VardaValar1 (5:22:59 PM): What is it, for the record on the transcript?
ThorondorV (5:23:01 PM): Happy mother's day to all mothers.. :-)
FarmerMaggotV (5:23:14 PM):
FarmerMaggotV (5:23:21 PM): (ech, formatting)
VardaValar1 (5:23:35 PM): We should be able to see that one : )
VardaValar1 (5:23:51 PM): Also put this info on the forum where you mention the
FarmerMaggotV (5:24:02 PM): Ok, still need a username
VardaValar1 (5:24:04 PM): just say it's the current guild pass, of course, not
say what
VardaValar1 (5:24:07 PM): Valar
VardaValar1 (5:24:12 PM): easy to remember
FarmerMaggotV (5:24:21 PM): Ok :-)
FarmerMaggotV (5:24:42 PM): current password isn't long enough
VardaValar1 (5:24:50 PM): heh
ArPharazonV (5:25:00 PM): add a few numbers behind it :-)
VardaValar1 (5:25:01 PM): How long do we need?
FarmerMaggotV (5:25:03 PM): 6
FarmerMaggotV (5:25:06 PM): 1 short heh
VardaValar1 (5:25:31 PM): How about number one, guys?
ArathornValar (5:25:40 PM): put a '6' at the end...
ArPharazonV (5:25:42 PM): or we can put the V behind it
GwaihirValar (5:25:44 PM): how about Valier?
VardaValar1 (5:26:08 PM): Most of us are guys : )
GwaihirValar (5:26:10 PM): still
FarmerMaggotV (5:26:13 PM): so, current password6 ?
VardaValar1 (5:26:22 PM): Why 6 instead of 1?
ArPharazonV (5:26:24 PM): not current passwordv?
ThorondorV (5:26:32 PM): Gotta go before I see a kb-marked face in the morning,
good night all
LuthienV (5:26:32 PM): 1 would be easier to remember
FarmerMaggotV (5:26:33 PM): currentpasswordv works heh
VardaValar1 (5:26:37 PM): Actually the v on the end is good
VardaValar1 (5:26:42 PM): hehe
FarmerMaggotV (5:26:42 PM): ok, going with that
VardaValar1 (5:26:45 PM): Namarie, Eagel
Eonwe Valar (5:26:47 PM): Sleep well mellon :}
VardaValar1 (5:26:49 PM): Eagle
ArPharazonV (5:26:53 PM): namarie
ThorondorV (5:26:54 PM): You too.. :-)
(5:26:56 PM) ThorondorV has left the room.
FarmerMaggotV (5:27:18 PM): New team Valar Guild with number 37155 has been founded
by Valar(The team page will link to homepage at and link
to a logo graphic at

VardaValar1 (5:28:03 PM): Thank you, Farmer
FarmerMaggotV (5:28:11 PM): And the client download is here ml
Eonwe Valar (5:28:16 PM): go team go! :}
VardaValar1 (5:28:52 PM): So we go there and it downloads what is needed?
FarmerMaggotV (5:29:07 PM): I would recommend the graphical client for windows
FarmerMaggotV (5:29:27 PM): it runs in idle cpu time (meaning, you shouldn't notice
it), each work unit takes a while though
FarmerMaggotV (5:29:53 PM): I've been working on this unit since monday morning,
leaving the computer on most of the day, and it's at 25%
VardaValar1 (5:29:58 PM): I currently have very little space and lots of viruses
fighting me for it, but will try to get in shape for the download
FarmerMaggotV (5:30:21 PM): there's also a screensaver if you're really concerned
about it slowing your computer down
VardaValar1 (5:31:03 PM): Interesting. How does the screensaver help?
FarmerMaggotV (5:31:20 PM): Windows starts the screensaver when it knows you've been
idle for so long
FarmerMaggotV (5:31:40 PM): But I've expirienced no slow downs with the graphical
client yet
VardaValar1 (5:31:54 PM): Thanks
FarmerMaggotV (5:32:08 PM): *phew :P*
VardaValar1 (5:32:16 PM): Fine job!
VardaValar1 (5:32:47 PM): Any further business?

ArPharazonV (5:32:58 PM): goldrush
VardaValar1 (5:33:02 PM): ?
ArPharazonV (5:33:03 PM): new map, TFT
ArPharazonV (5:33:10 PM): official map by Blizz
ArathornValar (5:33:15 PM): Oh... btw... re viruses...
AragornValar (5:33:26 PM): u have a link to it ArPharazon?
ArPharazonV (5:33:40 PM):
ArPharazonV (5:33:44 PM): top one
AragornValar (5:33:47 PM): thx
ArathornValar (5:33:51 PM): Seems they caught a student in europe (forget where
exactly) this week that admits to teh last slew
VardaValar1 (5:34:08 PM): Just one?
FarmerMaggotV (5:34:19 PM): 2
FarmerMaggotV (5:34:26 PM): well, 1 student, 2 viruses
AragornValar (5:34:44 PM): wich viruses?
FarmerMaggotV (5:34:51 PM): Sasser and another
ArathornValar (5:34:53 PM): have to check the paper
AragornValar (5:34:53 PM): ok
AragornValar (5:34:56 PM): i had sasser
AragornValar (5:34:57 PM): :/
ArathornValar (5:35:01 PM): which ones did you get Varda?
VardaValar1 (5:35:09 PM): Sasser was one
VardaValar1 (5:35:17 PM): At least 3 versions of Agobot
VardaValar1 (5:35:18 PM): Dedler
VardaValar1 (5:35:19 PM): others
ArathornValar (5:35:24 PM): there is also a FAKE email going around about a file
thats' NOT a virus
VardaValar1 (5:35:35 PM): Always are : )
VardaValar1 (5:35:46 PM): They make you get rid of an important file
FarmerMaggotV (5:35:56 PM): woops, I was wrong -> 2 arrests
FarmerMaggotV (5:36:07 PM): After arresting the author of Sasser, the German police
claims having caught the author of Phatbot.
Eonwe Valar (5:36:11 PM): I see something new for MEO :}
ArathornValar (5:36:15 PM): file starts with "jdbg..." it's an actual java file
that coders need
GwaihirValar (5:36:28 PM): that's why you always cross-reference
ArPharazonV (5:36:30 PM): what, Eonwe?
GwaihirValar (5:36:33 PM): with sites like Norton
GwaihirValar (5:36:52 PM): to see if it's an actual virus... and if it's not,
they'll probably have a notification saying it's false
VardaValar1 (5:36:58 PM): Hope they get the Agobot guy
Eonwe Valar (5:37:00 PM): I'll wait till my turn :}
VardaValar1 (5:37:06 PM): Eonwe, go ahead with MeO news
GwaihirValar (5:37:06 PM): if it is... they'll have proper ways to remove...
VardaValar1 (5:37:11 PM): True
Eonwe Valar (5:37:37 PM): New class announced for Men: The Squire
(5:37:48 PM) wolverinepcrew has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar (5:37:55 PM): Virtuous = Knight; Corrupt = Tyrant
VardaValar1 (5:38:15 PM): Aiya
ArPharazonV (5:38:22 PM): Aiya
wolverinepcrew (5:38:29 PM): Aiya boys and girls
ArPharazonV (5:39:02 PM): are you aware of your black background?
VardaValar1 (5:39:08 PM): Thanks, Eonwe : )
VardaValar1 (5:39:15 PM): I'll check on that for sure
wolverinepcrew (5:39:18 PM): yes i am
AragornValar (5:39:24 PM): =)
VardaValar1 (5:39:47 PM): It's all white to me : )
ArPharazonV (5:39:49 PM): ok, allright then
ArPharazonV (5:39:57 PM): if you're aware of it, never mind
ArPharazonV (5:40:00 PM): :-)
wolverinepcrew (5:40:04 PM): ok lol
VardaValar1 (5:40:06 PM): Any other business?
ArPharazonV (5:40:18 PM): and then we have that...
ArPharazonV (5:40:30 PM): varda being infected by the black background
VardaValar1 (5:40:36 PM): not yet : )
VardaValar1 (5:40:52 PM): The light is still pure
ArPharazonV (5:40:53 PM): and yet, only when directly posting after... who were
you again?

VardaValar1 (5:41:16 PM): If there is no further business, on to Tolkien : )
ArPharazonV (5:41:18 PM): ah, Elladan
VardaValar1 (5:41:30 PM): I need your help on a spot of research, as a check
wolverinepcrew (5:41:49 PM): yes?
VardaValar1 (5:41:55 PM): Who has a copy of Histories XIII Peoples of
VardaValar1 (5:42:16 PM): Is Faramir and Eowyn's son's name Elboron?
ArPharazonV (5:42:18 PM): XIII??
Eonwe Valar (5:42:19 PM): (That's XII :}) I do, but =I must trake my leave now
VardaValar1 (5:42:23 PM): and what is the name of the chapter
ArPharazonV (5:42:34 PM): hm... I'll see, up in my room
VardaValar1 (5:42:37 PM): Namarie, Eonwe
VardaValar1 (5:42:46 PM): Thanks!
Eonwe Valar (5:42:52 PM): hf everyone and once again Happy Mother's Day to the
mothers :}
VardaValar1 (5:43:01 PM): : ) Hantal!
ArPharazonV (5:43:14 PM): Namarie
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AragornValar (5:43:34 PM): i also have to go
VardaValar1 (5:43:35 PM): Also, Faramir's death date: 3103 (FA 83)?
VardaValar1 (5:43:38 PM): Namarie
AragornValar (5:43:41 PM): namarie all
VardaValar1 (5:43:42 PM): Thanks for coming : )
ArPharazonV (5:43:45 PM): Elboron is in the index...
ArPharazonV (5:43:49 PM): Namarie, Aragorn
VardaValar1 (5:43:50 PM): Great!
AragornValar (5:43:53 PM): yea i will be more active now on east
VardaValar1 (5:43:54 PM): What chapter name?
AragornValar (5:43:58 PM): started playing wc3 againg
VardaValar1 (5:43:58 PM): That would be fun :-)
AragornValar (5:44:05 PM): cu
ArathornValar (5:44:06 PM): Internet says yes Varda :-)
VardaValar1 (5:44:07 PM): name?
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VardaValar1 (5:44:16 PM): Internet is not original book source
ArPharazonV (5:44:19 PM): as the name of the son of Faramir, so that's right
VardaValar1 (5:44:22 PM): I got it from internet
VardaValar1 (5:44:25 PM): Chapter name?
ArPharazonV (5:44:27 PM): page.... 221, 223
ArPharazonV (5:44:42 PM): The Heirs of Elendil
ArPharazonV (5:44:48 PM): final pages of the chapter
VardaValar1 (5:45:18 PM): Great!
VardaValar1 (5:45:26 PM): How about that death date for Faramir?
ArPharazonV (5:45:29 PM): Faramir: 2983-3103
ArPharazonV (5:45:39 PM): =F.A. 83
VardaValar1 (5:46:05 PM): Any chapter name on that?
GaldorV (5:46:19 PM): Well I'm out, Namarie all.
ArPharazonV (5:46:20 PM): also, the heirs of elendil
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VardaValar1 (5:46:53 PM): Thanks
ArPharazonV (5:46:55 PM): in a family tree, both names and the dates for Faramir
show up
alwin0 (5:47:26 PM): ok I'm back
VardaValar1 (5:47:28 PM): Very good. I appreciate your check!
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VardaValar1 (5:47:33 PM): Welcome back
ArPharazonV (5:47:35 PM): Aiyata, Alwin :-)
VardaValar1 (5:47:41 PM): Arathorn has a topic. Go ahead
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ArathornValar (5:49:14 PM): Tom Bombadil... who, what was he.. ?A Maia... Eru
himself..? or... A Nature Spirit? ... hmmm....

GwaihirValar (5:49:38 PM): uh oh... the Tommy discussion again... *watches
floodgate open* ;-)
ArathornValar (5:49:52 PM): I initially thought Eru.... but Tolkien himself said
that Eru never took physical form so..
VardaValar1 (5:49:54 PM): Maia, far as I can figure
ArathornValar (5:50:11 PM): well.. sorry Gwai, btu I wasn't here then so... :-D
GwaihirValar (5:50:16 PM): hehe
VardaValar1 (5:50:31 PM): We will do the balrog wings again too sometime ;-)
GwaihirValar (5:50:33 PM): I'd say he's similar to Caradhras... an embodiment of
a part of nature...
ArathornValar (5:50:56 PM): I still don't feel he was a Maia because he seemed
disjointed from everyone else..
ArPharazonV (5:51:06 PM): Caradhras never took humanoid form, did it?
VardaValar1 (5:51:08 PM): And what is an embodiment of a part of nature?
VardaValar1 (5:51:18 PM): Prove he didn't? hehe
GwaihirValar (5:51:24 PM): Well... Caradhras was the spirit of the mountain...
maybe didn't take humanoid form
ArPharazonV (5:51:26 PM): as far as we know
ArathornValar (5:51:28 PM): Almost as if he was the spirit of Arda to me...
VardaValar1 (5:51:28 PM): Not mentioned
GwaihirValar (5:51:33 PM): but it seems fairly obvious that there WAS a spirit
existent there
VardaValar1 (5:51:43 PM): Ainur didn't have to take humanoid form
VardaValar1 (5:51:48 PM): Ulmo tended to be a wave
GwaihirValar (5:51:49 PM): exactly
GwaihirValar (5:52:17 PM): I'd say Tom Bombadil is more of an embodiment of the
power of another aspect of nature... it's life. The trees, plants, animals...
ArPharazonV (5:52:20 PM): so, both Caradhras and T.Bombadil were Ainur?
VardaValar1 (5:52:21 PM): Tom seemed to be very limited in area
GwaihirValar (5:52:36 PM): Possibly, Pharazon...
VardaValar1 (5:52:43 PM): Possibly, aye
ArPharazonV (5:52:47 PM): perhaps Yavanna wanted to take male form as well, once
in a while :-)
VardaValar1 (5:53:11 PM): Gender in Ainur was an expression of the way they
VardaValar1 (5:53:20 PM): she did take the form of a huge tree though
VardaValar1 (5:53:30 PM): So the gender tended to stay the same
ArPharazonV (5:53:49 PM): unless they're minds were not purely directed in
one... direction...
ArPharazonV (5:53:56 PM): *their
VardaValar1 (5:54:14 PM): I go by what I read, and never saw a cross gender
mentioned. Not that it could not happen
ArPharazonV (5:54:21 PM): then, their mind would sway between male and female
ArathornValar (5:54:35 PM): I mentioned to Varda he was like "Mother Nature" ..
only a Father in this embodiment <heh>
ArPharazonV (5:54:36 PM): perhaps Ulmo was Goldberry :-)
VardaValar1 (5:54:45 PM): But they seemed to stick to one or another. I think
because of the way Tolkien thought
ArathornValar (5:54:55 PM): er.. and unlike the one in the margarine
ArPharazonV (5:55:24 PM): perhaps Ulmo and Yavanna had an affaire, and they
could only get together in less noticeable form
alwin0 (5:55:36 PM): he is the master of wood, water , and hill.
ArPharazonV (5:55:39 PM): so they would draw less attention to themselves
ArPharazonV (5:55:52 PM): purely guessing now...
VardaValar1 (5:55:53 PM): Aye, Alwin, but he seemed to stay in one small area
alwin0 (5:56:08 PM): ic
GwaihirValar (5:56:29 PM): I think it's somewhere mentioned that his boundaries
were fairly recently imposed at the time of the War of the Ring
ArathornValar (5:56:30 PM): but why does he mention that he was there before
everything including elves.. and called 'the ancient'...
VardaValar1 (5:56:33 PM): Since he wasn't an Istar, if he was a Maia, he would
have been more powerful than an Istar
ArathornValar (5:56:41 PM): that's what made me initially think Eru
VardaValar1 (5:56:48 PM): Maia were present before Elves
ArathornValar (5:57:03 PM): yes, but what makes him more special than any of the
VardaValar1 (5:57:13 PM): What makes you say he was?
alwin0 (5:57:17 PM): where maia fearless?
VardaValar1 (5:57:29 PM): The only Ainur to know fear was Morgoth
LuthienV (5:57:29 PM): perhaps he was just a Maia that concerned himself almost
solely to natural concerns, sort of like Ragast?
VardaValar1 (5:57:42 PM): Well said, Luthien
ArathornValar (5:57:46 PM): The fact that he doesn't seem to be part of anything
around him except his area that he chose.
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VardaValar1 (5:58:08 PM): Maia had particular concerns, generally
ArPharazonV (5:58:14 PM): perhaps he was more connected with the Valar (in this
case, Yavanna) then the other Maia in ME, at least in the spiritual sense?
ArathornValar (5:58:23 PM): He isn't affected by the ring, and doesn't seem to
understand what teh fuss is about by Gamdalf's account
ArathornValar (5:58:27 PM): *Gandalf
VardaValar1 (5:58:49 PM): A Vala would understand
ArathornValar (5:59:00 PM): WOundn't a Maia too then?
VardaValar1 (5:59:05 PM): Tom knew it was dangerous for Frodo
VardaValar1 (5:59:10 PM): He understood
GwaihirValar (5:59:14 PM): hmm...
ArathornValar (5:59:24 PM): Seems he's too innocent too... makes me flip back to
a spirit (nature or other)
VardaValar1 (5:59:29 PM): He just wasn't concerned about it for himself, as he
had no desire to dominate
ArPharazonV (5:59:31 PM): but if Tom was more connected to Valinor then the
other Maiar, wouldn't he be and feel less connected to ME?
GwaihirValar (5:59:37 PM): Gandalf mentioned that the only part of the affair
that MIGHT concern him would be the news of the Ents...
VardaValar1 (5:59:54 PM): He was not more connected than other normal Maiar as
far as I can see
LuthienV (5:59:54 PM): which leads me to believe he is only concerned with
GwaihirValar (5:59:55 PM): even someone such as Radagast would have been
concerned with the downfall of Sauron
VardaValar1 (6:00:05 PM): Radagast was an Istar
ArathornValar (6:00:12 PM): But Gandalf says he wouldn't understand why they
would want him to protect it..
VardaValar1 (6:00:16 PM): His job related to Sauron
ArPharazonV (6:00:18 PM): perhaps Tom was a Maia of Yavanna, and traveled to ME
before the awakening of the Elves, to prepare for the coming of the Ents?
VardaValar1 (6:00:33 PM): Could be, Phar
GwaihirValar (6:00:35 PM): yes, but Radagast abandoned his job for concerns of
VardaValar1 (6:00:43 PM): He could have been one of the shepherds of the trees
VardaValar1 (6:00:53 PM): Aye, only Gandalf stayed the course
ArPharazonV (6:01:07 PM): perhaps the blue wizards did so too, Varda
GwaihirValar (6:01:13 PM): he maintained friendship with Gandalf and contact
with Saruman, but he abandoned his job to sink himself in nature
VardaValar1 (6:01:15 PM): Didn't sound like
GwaihirValar (6:01:19 PM): aye, we don't know what the blue wizards did
ArathornValar (6:01:26 PM): hmm.. the spirit of the Ents..?
VardaValar1 (6:01:30 PM): The Blue Wizards are said to have formed cults in the
VardaValar1 (6:01:42 PM): Tom may have been involved with Ent business
GwaihirValar (6:01:43 PM): Perhaps those cults hindered the flow of troops to
Sauron though
ArathornValar (6:01:46 PM): Treebeard is also known as an 'ancient' in some
ArPharazonV (6:01:49 PM): a theory goes, that they traveled to the East, to
disrupt the gatherings of the Easterlings, so that less people came to support
VardaValar1 (6:01:58 PM): Treebeard is called Eldest too
VardaValar1 (6:02:08 PM): Treebeard was apparently not a Maia
LuthienV (6:02:11 PM): Mother just came home, and since its her special day i
have to go : )
ArPharazonV (6:02:14 PM): and if they hadn't been there, the Easterling army
would have been far greater then it was
GwaihirValar (6:02:14 PM): hehe
LuthienV (6:02:15 PM): Namarie everyone
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GwaihirValar (6:02:23 PM): farewell
ArPharazonV (6:02:26 PM): Namarie to the one
ArPharazonV (6:02:31 PM): Aiya to the other
Xseanzee disco (6:02:31 PM): Hey everyone.
VardaValar1 (6:02:38 PM): Happy to your mom, Luthien :-)
VardaValar1 (6:02:38 PM): Aiya
VardaValar1 (6:02:40 PM): Aiya Gil
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Xseanzee disco (6:03:00 PM): Just got back from buying my mom 100 bucks worth of
VardaValar1 (6:03:03 PM): The cults were apparently not a good thing
ArPharazonV (6:03:03 PM): so, in any case, the Blue wizards were far more
important then anyone realised
VardaValar1 (6:03:14 PM): Bet that was fun
Xseanzee disco (6:03:18 PM): ugh
VardaValar1 (6:03:24 PM): or not : )
Xseanzee disco (6:03:39 PM): lol - saw a lot of friends at the mall tho
ArPharazonV (6:03:48 PM): so, the cults actually benefited men and elves in the
Xseanzee disco (6:03:54 PM): doesnt feel good to spend money.
VardaValar1 (6:03:59 PM): The cults seem to have been bad, probably a source of
future fighting for Aragorn's re-united kingdom
ArathornValar (6:03:59 PM): Hmm.. I definitely feel there was a connection
between Tom and the Ents...
VardaValar1 (6:04:10 PM): Very possible, Arathorn
VardaValar1 (6:04:19 PM): Trees walked in the Old Forest
ArPharazonV (6:04:26 PM): isn't that somewhere in the Histories, about that
theory of the 'good' effects of the Blue Wizards?
ArathornValar (6:04:38 PM): Do we know how/when he met Goldberry... what is she
actually considered... Maia?
ArPharazonV (6:04:52 PM): riverdaughter, she was
ArPharazonV (6:05:03 PM): thinking Maia of Ulmo
VardaValar1 (6:05:23 PM): She may have been a Maia of Ulmo
VardaValar1 (6:05:32 PM): may have been a Maia's daughter
VardaValar1 (6:05:42 PM): Tom sings that
ArathornValar (6:05:43 PM): Hmm... so if TReebeard isn't Maia, where does he
fit... might shed more light on Tos
ArathornValar (6:05:47 PM): *Tom
VardaValar1 (6:05:53 PM): when he met her, her heart was beating
ArPharazonV (6:05:58 PM): Treebeard was created by Yavanna
VardaValar1 (6:06:00 PM): implies she changed
ArPharazonV (6:06:06 PM): the true shepherds of the trees
Xseanzee disco (6:06:10 PM): Personally, i believe Treebeard to be a creature,
much like a deer, or a squirrel.
VardaValar1 (6:06:15 PM): Treebeard was like the eagles
GwaihirValar (6:06:16 PM): Treebeard was the first Ent
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GwaihirValar (6:06:20 PM): I suspect
ArPharazonV (6:06:21 PM): in response to the Dwarvish race of Aule
VardaValar1 (6:06:24 PM): Hail
VardaValar1 (6:06:40 PM): Treebeard was intelligent
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GwaihirValar (6:06:45 PM): and, the Ents MAY have been Maiar...
ArPharazonV (6:06:48 PM): probably like the first Durin or something, only of
the opposite race
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ArPharazonV (6:07:03 PM): Aiya
Bomburv (6:07:04 PM): hail
VardaValar1 (6:07:07 PM): The Ents were probably not Maiar, but living beings
with beginning and end
VardaValar1 (6:07:11 PM): They had little entings
Xseanzee disco (6:07:16 PM): The ents may also have just been plain old
creatures. If you can teach parrots how to speak, why not ents?
VardaValar1 (6:07:18 PM): Welcome back
ArPharazonV (6:07:18 PM): see Silmarillion chapter 2
VardaValar1 (6:07:26 PM): They thought as well
ArathornValar (6:07:36 PM): Also, Treebeard seemed to have a 'job' to do...
while Tom just sort of ... took care of what he wanted...
GwaihirValar (6:07:38 PM): perhaps the first of the Ents were Maiar, as the
first of the Eagles were
ArPharazonV (6:08:07 PM): perhaps Tom had a job as well, but neglected it
ArPharazonV (6:08:14 PM): just like Radagast :-)
GwaihirValar (6:08:16 PM): or perhaps Tom's job WAS what he was doing
VardaValar1 (6:08:18 PM): Treebeard did not seem to be a Maia. We used him as
Maia statusin guild at first as we did Elf kings, due to shortage of Maiar names
Xseanzee disco (6:08:19 PM): lol
GwaihirValar (6:08:33 PM): perhaps he wasn't doing nothing
GwaihirValar (6:08:39 PM): but merely doing things that had no obvious impact
ArathornValar (6:08:39 PM): Tom's carefree way abotu him makes him quite
different from everyone else too.. that innocence again..
Xseanzee disco (6:08:43 PM): Eru had a plan, and Tom probably was just there to
be there.
VardaValar1 (6:08:49 PM): Tom may have been staying in Middle-earth the same way
Melian was, for love of one in M-e
ArPharazonV (6:09:21 PM): perhaps Tom was put there as a little extra bonus,
when Ea was created from the song
GwaihirValar (6:09:21 PM): or perhaps Tom's 'job' was to help protect the
Hobbits... knowing they'd be important in the future
VardaValar1 (6:09:23 PM): Tom had a cheery attitude, but it covered someone very
intent on business
VardaValar1 (6:09:33 PM): Tom used the power of song
ArPharazonV (6:09:41 PM): so, Tom would not have been one of the Ainur
GwaihirValar (6:09:41 PM): perhaps Tom was, indirectly, a Maia of Mandos
GwaihirValar (6:09:52 PM): and the reason for the boundaries
VardaValar1 (6:09:58 PM): He was also dealing with hobbits and didn't want to
terrify them
ArathornValar (6:10:01 PM): aha! " he wasn't doing nothing" eh gwai... a double
negative implies he was in FACT doing something... so what was it.. cmon.. you
know something! :-D
ArPharazonV (6:10:05 PM): but actually the first of Illuvatar's Children,
created in the first creation of Ea
GwaihirValar (6:10:14 PM): heh
ArPharazonV (6:10:38 PM): just a little gift from Eru :-)
GwaihirValar (6:10:58 PM): I'm suspecting that he was a protector of the
Hobbits, placed either by Eru or Mandos at Eru's suggestion, designated to guard
that specific area so that the hobbits could thrive as they were
VardaValar1 (6:10:58 PM): We have a lot of pure speculation going on : )
ArPharazonV (6:11:12 PM): what else do we have?
VardaValar1 (6:11:14 PM): That's a thought Gwaihir. Suspicious placement
VardaValar1 (6:11:22 PM): I was going by stuff I've read, mostly
GwaihirValar (6:11:25 PM): Mandos perhaps having seen some vision of the
importance of the Hobbits
Xseanzee disco (6:11:48 PM): He stayed there as part of a gerater plan. His
meeting with the Hobbits no doubt saved the mission from disaster.
ArathornValar (6:11:49 PM): Ahh.. I like that thought Gwaihir...
GwaihirValar (6:11:50 PM): and having asked one of his Maiar, at the creation of
Middle Earth
VardaValar1 (6:11:52 PM): alwin0, were you looking for a tester?
GwaihirValar (6:11:54 PM): to watch that specific area
Xseanzee disco (6:11:59 PM): greater*
ArathornValar (6:12:11 PM): A protector of the shire in some sense.. that's why
he was located there... hmmm
GwaihirValar (6:12:19 PM): knowing that, whether or not the Hobbits were
specifically known, something of great importance would be located near to there
alwin0 (6:12:32 PM): am I ready for the trail?
GwaihirValar (6:12:33 PM): and would need protection from a great evil(the
Wights) that would be within those borders
VardaValar1 (6:12:55 PM): Tom was a good protector, as he had no desire for the
Ring, which he could easily have taken
GwaihirValar (6:12:56 PM): remember, his borders covered the entirety of the
Barrow Downs
GwaihirValar (6:13:06 PM): why, if not to protect the Hobbits from them
GwaihirValar (6:13:12 PM): he seemed to have a great deal of power over them
ArPharazonV (6:13:25 PM): perhaps he protected the Downs from the Hobbits...
GwaihirValar (6:13:31 PM): *chuckles*
GwaihirValar (6:13:50 PM): yes, because carefree, naive hobbits are a TERRIBLE
concern to powerful wights
ArathornValar (6:13:53 PM): hmm.. so what was Old Man Willow actually.. just a
tree or..?
GwaihirValar (6:13:59 PM): a tree-ish Ent, I suspect
GwaihirValar (6:14:02 PM): one of the ones gone bad
ArPharazonV (6:14:08 PM): or an Entish tree
ArPharazonV (6:14:20 PM): a Huorn
ArathornValar (6:14:21 PM): not a Huorn though...
ArathornValar (6:14:35 PM): he seemed too treeish
Xseanzee disco (6:14:36 PM): i need closure... what happened to the entwives...
ArPharazonV (6:14:54 PM): they moved far to the East
ArPharazonV (6:15:08 PM): and the Entlings later became the famous Japanese
VardaValar1 (6:15:10 PM): No one really knows. I wonder if they were near the
VardaValar1 (6:15:12 PM): hehe
ArathornValar (6:15:16 PM): They got a good deal on a condo in Florida <sigh>...
seen it happen
GwaihirValar (6:15:53 PM): perhaps when their gardens were destroyed, so were
they, but, like the Elves, they were called to Valinor
Xseanzee disco (6:15:55 PM): it makes me wonder if the ent wives moved north.
seeings how i remember a hobbit in lotr saying how they saw a willow tree moving
GwaihirValar (6:15:59 PM): but not by Irmo, by Yavanna
VardaValar1 (6:16:06 PM): Treebeard said the Entwives would have liked the Shire
GwaihirValar (6:16:17 PM): that was Sam referring to his cousin Hal, I believe,
Xseanzee disco (6:16:24 PM): ty
GwaihirValar (6:16:34 PM): not sure if it was his cousin Hal,but it was some
ArathornValar (6:16:39 PM): Could they have 'become' the Old Forest... turned
completely treeish?
VardaValar1 (6:16:47 PM): Other trees moved too, came to the Hedge
GwaihirValar (6:17:13 PM): no, the songs state that the Ents and Entwives will
meet in the West, do they not?
ArathornValar (6:17:15 PM): And that's why the Ents couldn't find them anymore?
ArPharazonV (6:17:20 PM): weren't the Old Forest and Fangorn two parts of an
ancient forest?
GwaihirValar (6:17:25 PM): yup
ArPharazonV (6:17:35 PM): so, perhaps Ents used to be all over the place
VardaValar1 (6:17:44 PM): The Shire was to the West of Fangorn forest : )
ArPharazonV (6:17:49 PM): only remaining in the Old Forest and Fangorn
Xseanzee disco (6:17:54 PM): which songs talk of the ents meeting in the west?
Xseanzee disco (6:17:59 PM): are they in lotr?
VardaValar1 (6:18:01 PM): Aye, Fangorn used to travel in Beleriand
ArPharazonV (6:18:16 PM): they took out a big party of Dwarves
ArPharazonV (6:18:24 PM): in Beleriand
GwaihirValar (6:18:31 PM): yes, but if they went completely treeish
GwaihirValar (6:18:33 PM): they wouldn't be meeting
VardaValar1 (6:18:33 PM): Aye, in LotR, the song is sung
GwaihirValar (6:18:42 PM): really
ArathornValar (6:18:55 PM): So if an ent goes treeish, it never goes west?
ArathornValar (6:19:16 PM): i.e. it can never awaken again?
GwaihirValar (6:19:17 PM): that's not what I meant... I meant that if they
became the Old Forest
GwaihirValar (6:19:17 PM): they wouldn't be meeting there
VardaValar1 (6:19:22 PM): There's a question what is meant by West, Valinor or
west in M-e
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GwaihirValar (6:19:27 PM): exactly
ArPharazonV (6:19:36 PM): perhaps they met at the bottom of the sea
GwaihirValar (6:19:46 PM): I think it uses capitalized...which would presumably
mean Valinor
Xseanzee disco (6:19:57 PM): perhaps they became extinct.
GwaihirValar (6:19:58 PM): because otherwise it's merely west usually, I think,
not West
VardaValar1 (6:20:13 PM): It makes it look suspicious, aye. But West capitalized
can also be a compass direction
GwaihirValar (6:20:19 PM): true...
Xseanzee disco (6:20:41 PM): perhaps they became extinct, and by west they dont
mean being actually SUMMONED to the west, but will reunite with the entwives in
ArPharazonV (6:21:15 PM): well, yes, if they were created in response to and in
the same way as Dwarves
ArPharazonV (6:21:29 PM): they would have had fea's, which would return to
GwaihirValar (6:21:40 PM): that's sorta what I figured... the Entwives were
destroyedf at the time of the creation of the Brown Lands...
ArPharazonV (6:21:44 PM): post-mortal reunion
GwaihirValar (6:21:47 PM): but Yavanna called them
VardaValar1 (6:22:05 PM): They were not destroyed when the Brown Lands were
made, but left there
VardaValar1 (6:22:12 PM): although some probably were
ArPharazonV (6:23:06 PM): how exactly do they reproduce? Are only the females
required to create Entlings?
VardaValar1 (6:23:22 PM): As is normal for the manner of repro in Arda
ArPharazonV (6:23:34 PM): If not, neither side, male or female, would have had
no kids for a long while
ArPharazonV (6:23:57 PM): so it would have been rather easy for them to get
extinct while journeying
ArPharazonV (6:24:25 PM): ok, that was a double denial... you know what I mean
VardaValar1 (6:24:50 PM): There have been no entings for a lonnng space of time,
according to Treebeard
GwaihirValar (6:24:50 PM): it says they left
GwaihirValar (6:24:51 PM): it doesn't say how
GwaihirValar (6:25:00 PM): if they were destroyed, they would have left for
ArPharazonV (6:25:42 PM): and so, the only way to reunite, was in Death
VardaValar1 (6:25:52 PM): Left Brown Lands
ArPharazonV (6:25:53 PM): unless they were released from Mandos, like the Elves
VardaValar1 (6:27:31 PM): Pardon, doing test for alwin
ArPharazonV (6:27:38 PM): how's he doing?
VardaValar1 (6:27:44 PM): Great : )
ArathornValar (6:27:49 PM): Yet Treebeard still feels they'll find them and asks
the Hobbits to keep a look out for them... seems to think they still live
ArPharazonV (6:29:06 PM): he may feel that way, but who knows if what he feels
is the same as the truth?
GwaihirValar (6:30:09 PM): he may just be hoping desperately
Xseanzee disco (6:30:50 PM): TreeBeards a cook.
Xseanzee disco (6:30:55 PM): umm
Xseanzee disco (6:31:10 PM): not an actually chef...
ArPharazonV (6:31:14 PM): veggy meals?
Xseanzee disco (6:31:16 PM): nah
Xseanzee disco (6:31:24 PM): Kook?
Xseanzee disco (6:31:35 PM): he seems kind of... childish to me.
ArPharazonV (6:31:57 PM): hum hum hum
ArathornValar (6:32:29 PM): hmm... even more like Tom then <heh>
VardaValar1 (6:32:48 PM): Look closer at Tom. He's a slick customer
Xseanzee disco (6:33:07 PM): his request for the hobbits to look for the
entwives may have been a desperate attempt to ask a parent for another slice of
cake or candy.
Xseanzee disco (6:33:12 PM): he might just be in denile.
VardaValar1 (6:33:34 PM): The hobbits were traveling all over, saw many others
who traveled
VardaValar1 (6:33:42 PM): Hope springs ever : )
ArPharazonV (6:33:53 PM): you never know, right?
Xseanzee disco (6:33:56 PM): i think time may ahve ahd an effect on treebeard.
Xseanzee disco (6:34:03 PM): i think he is weary beyond repair.
Xseanzee disco (6:34:38 PM): So much happened in his life. It would be hard for
one to keep ones mind.
VardaValar1 (6:35:24 PM): *mutters something*
Xseanzee disco (6:37:04 PM): at*
Xseanzee disco (6:37:10 PM): wrong box*
ArathornValar (6:37:35 PM): *Arathron wanders off into a closet... * .. hmm..
what happened to the lights..?
ArathornValar (6:38:30 PM): well... Seems as if we've exausted the topic... I'm
ready to ggo eat something and play some D2 after.. Farmer Maggot has it now :-D
VardaValar1 (6:38:48 PM): Happy Birthday to alwin0, 22 today!
ArathornValar (6:38:50 PM): We could perhaps get a few peeps to introduce him to
FarmerMaggotV (6:38:56 PM): heh :-)
alwin0 (6:38:58 PM): haha
ArathornValar (6:38:59 PM): HB!
VardaValar1 (6:39:00 PM): Sorry, busy testing
ArathornValar (6:39:13 PM): er.. with new chars of course <heh>
VardaValar1 (6:39:29 PM): Freely ye came, freely ye may depart : )
VardaValar1 (6:39:40 PM): After-meeting declared!

VardaValar1(5:46:20 PM): Feel free to go play
ArPharazonV(5:46:24 PM): actually, I think it's just his birthday in Europe
ArPharazonV(5:46:34 PM): in the states, it will be a few more hours
ArathornValar(5:46:36 PM): Well, I won't be playing right away... if anyone wants to, we'll be on a bit later
VardaValar1(5:46:39 PM): He's in Europe, so yes that works
ArathornValar(5:46:52 PM): I'
ArathornValar(5:47:10 PM): I'll stay in here and check any posts after supper...
ArathornValar(5:47:20 PM): Namarie for a bit...
VardaValar1(5:47:24 PM): Namarie!
FarmerMaggotV(5:47:26 PM): Would anyone know the dimensions of a picture (like one you get developed from film)?
ArPharazonV(5:47:28 PM): does anybody want to try Goldrush?
GwaihirValar(5:47:37 PM): depends on the size...
GwaihirValar(5:47:43 PM): 8x10 is pretty common
VardaValar1(5:47:47 PM): Many sizes
Xseanzee disco(5:48:02 PM): ill try goldrush - havent play wc in about 2 months
Xseanzee disco(5:48:08 PM): go easy
ArPharazonV(5:48:08 PM): cool
FarmerMaggotV(5:48:14 PM): I'm talkin about the littler ones... like you give em a roll a film and they give you back about 36 pictures...
mikenowo(5:48:43 PM): ewjat's goldrush..?
mikenowo(5:48:48 PM): *what's
ArPharazonV(5:49:01 PM): new ft map
Xseanzee disco(5:49:04 PM): new map
GwaihirValar(5:49:12 PM): cyustom?
GwaihirValar(5:49:15 PM): custom*
GwaihirValar(5:49:18 PM): or melee?
ArPharazonV(5:49:21 PM): Blizz map, official, melee
Xseanzee disco(5:49:24 PM): melee
GwaihirValar(5:49:25 PM): pity...
GwaihirValar(5:49:30 PM): they need to make more customs
GwaihirValar(5:49:34 PM): they do such a good job
ArPharazonV(5:49:48 PM): like Egghunt, and TD?
Xseanzee disco(5:50:07 PM): Pharazon, when do you wanna play, i get stuff to do.
Xseanzee disco(5:50:11 PM): got*
ArPharazonV(5:50:17 PM): I'm starting ft now
GwaihirValar(5:50:19 PM): TD was great
Xseanzee disco(5:50:19 PM): k
GwaihirValar(5:50:21 PM): I loved the td
ArPharazonV(5:50:28 PM): or we could do that
ArPharazonV(5:50:33 PM): td
GwaihirValar(5:50:44 PM): nah, I'm on my laptop
GwaihirValar(5:50:44 PM): no game
ArPharazonV(5:51:18 PM): ok.. oh, I see... haven't downloaded it yet
ArPharazonV(5:51:24 PM): gonna do it now
Xseanzee disco(5:52:33 PM): k
ArPharazonV(5:53:52 PM): ok, got it
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(6:15:23 PM)Ithrin Luin has entered the room.
Ithrin Luin(6:15:28 PM): Aiya
VardaValar1(6:15:32 PM): Aiya!
VardaValar1(6:15:35 PM): Most are afk
Ithrin Luin(6:15:39 PM): finally
Ithrin Luin(6:15:40 PM): lol
VardaValar1(6:15:45 PM): I am too, really, doing test in another window
VardaValar1(6:15:50 PM): They are off gaming now
Ithrin Luin(6:15:54 PM): gotcha
Ithrin Luin(6:16:00 PM): I just got WOTR
Ithrin Luin(6:16:05 PM): gonne work on getting setup
VardaValar1(6:16:12 PM): Congrats!
Ithrin Luin(6:16:30 PM): thanx
VardaValar1(6:16:31 PM): Eonwe and some others have it too, seem to like it
Ithrin Luin(6:16:33 PM): I actually like it
Ithrin Luin(6:16:38 PM): it follows the book more
ArPharazonV(6:19:05 PM): we have a problem
Ithrin Luin(6:19:23 PM): what's wrong?
VardaValar1(6:19:29 PM): ?
ArPharazonV(6:19:29 PM): the ft clan is in danger of expiring, due to the absence of the leader, that being Eonwe
Ithrin Luin(6:19:39 PM): what game?
VardaValar1(6:19:40 PM): Email him, pronto
ArPharazonV(6:19:46 PM): I will
VardaValar1(6:19:58 PM): He'll tend to it as soon as he can, afterwards
VardaValar1(6:20:06 PM): I need a new flag for my WC3 char
ArPharazonV(6:21:31 PM): I'll just copy it here... and then go to emailpage without having to open another window
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VardaValar1(6:24:12 PM): ft means TFT The Frozen Throne expansion of WarCraft
Ithrin Luin(6:24:20 PM): oh ok
Ithrin Luin(6:24:22 PM): cool
ArPharazonV(6:24:33 PM): I believe the clan itself is over all of War3, isn't it?
VardaValar1(6:24:35 PM): We have a guild there for WC3 and TFT
VardaValar1(6:24:47 PM): but ft just means TFT
VardaValar1(6:24:57 PM): We just have to know what he means
ArPharazonV(6:25:18 PM): frozen throne
Ithrin Luin(6:25:20 PM): yeah
Ithrin Luin(6:25:25 PM): I got the drift
ArPharazonV(6:25:28 PM):
ArPharazonV(6:28:06 PM): ok, it's sent
VardaValar1(6:28:20 PM): Thanks : )
Xseanzee disco(6:29:57 PM): Sorry Pharazon - Emergency call in at the pool
Xseanzee disco(6:30:05 PM): <-- lifeguard
ArPharazonV(6:30:14 PM): IC
VardaValar1(6:30:16 PM): go man!
Xseanzee disco(6:30:16 PM): want to play another?
ArPharazonV(6:30:19 PM): sure
Xseanzee disco(6:30:24 PM): lol varda
ArPharazonV(6:30:28 PM): this time a bit easier
Xseanzee disco(6:30:28 PM): i just got back from it
VardaValar1(6:30:35 PM): person ok I take it : )
ArPharazonV(6:30:37 PM): wow, quick job then
Xseanzee disco(6:30:47 PM): lol
Xseanzee disco(6:30:54 PM): yeah, it was ok by the time i got there
VardaValar1(6:31:07 PM): That must have been a relief : )
ArPharazonV(6:31:10 PM): are you still being paid for it?
VardaValar1(6:31:21 PM): All these heroes in our group! : )
Xseanzee disco(6:31:47 PM): It wasnt anything serious, we just had no guards on duty, and my brother (being the unorganzied person that he is) didnt bother checking if people were going to be there.
Xseanzee disco(6:32:03 PM): hes the manager.
VardaValar1(6:32:09 PM): ouch
Xseanzee disco(6:32:10 PM): its really a laid back job.
Xseanzee disco(6:32:18 PM): i work with two of my cousins
Xseanzee disco(6:32:20 PM): my brother
Xseanzee disco(6:32:24 PM): my ex girlfriend
ArPharazonV(6:32:27 PM): ouch
Xseanzee disco(6:32:29 PM): and some friends from work
Xseanzee disco(6:32:34 PM): ischool*
Xseanzee disco(6:32:56 PM): we get paid to tan.
Xseanzee disco(6:32:59 PM): is what it is
VardaValar1(6:33:01 PM): hehe
Xseanzee disco(6:33:02 PM): lol
Xseanzee disco(6:33:22 PM): We usually have 4 people working at a time, and we take 15 minute shifts.
ArPharazonV(6:33:31 PM): 15 minute shifts?
Xseanzee disco(6:33:35 PM): so we sit around for 45 minutes doing whatever we want
Xseanzee disco(6:33:37 PM): 3 or us
Xseanzee disco(6:33:39 PM): of*
VardaValar1(6:33:39 PM): Hard to keep sharp
Xseanzee disco(6:33:52 PM): Nah, we take it (semi) serious when we are on duty.
Xseanzee disco(6:34:15 PM): its a lot of fun.
Xseanzee disco(6:34:36 PM): Pharazon - we take 15 mintue shifts watching the pool
Xseanzee disco(6:34:44 PM): then the next person comes up
ArPharazonV(6:35:08 PM): yes, I got that, but I thought: for most jobs, that's a bit short
Xseanzee disco(6:35:16 PM): Ready Pharazon?
ArPharazonV(6:35:24 PM): ok
Xseanzee disco(6:35:29 PM): lol - yeah, 7.50 for 15 mintues an hour
ArPharazonV(6:35:48 PM): that's not too bad
Xseanzee disco(6:36:11 PM): its not exactly something to brag about, but when i tell people the job description, its a whole lote more.
VardaValar1(6:36:21 PM): It is something to brag about : )
ArPharazonV(6:36:23 PM): does anything ever happen? besides just watching?
Xseanzee disco(6:36:26 PM): lol
Xseanzee disco(6:36:33 PM): embarassing story..
Xseanzee disco(6:36:52 PM): alright
VardaValar1(6:36:55 PM): He keeps the pool open by being there
Xseanzee disco(6:36:59 PM): so ti was my second day lifeguarding
Xseanzee disco(6:37:09 PM): and i was on duty
Xseanzee disco(6:37:43 PM): i was watching the pool, when all fo the sudden this oriental woman starts screaming at me saying LOOK AT MY BABY, OVER THERE, GO SAVE HEEEEM!!!"
Xseanzee disco(6:38:10 PM): and i ran over there, and before i knew it, my manager lept into the pool, in her clothes and everything, and saved the little kid
Xseanzee disco(6:38:26 PM): oh man
Xseanzee disco(6:38:29 PM): what a wakeup call.
ArPharazonV(6:38:45 PM): and you weren't even fired? tsk tsk
Xseanzee disco(6:38:57 PM): ouch.
ArPharazonV(6:39:04 PM):
Xseanzee disco(6:39:06 PM): give me a little bit of leeway.
Xseanzee disco(6:39:14 PM): or whatever that word it.
Xseanzee disco(6:39:16 PM): is*
Xseanzee disco(6:39:31 PM): remake.
Xseanzee disco(6:40:23 PM): Varda
Xseanzee disco(6:40:41 PM): Emergency, in our WC3 channel, it says our channel is in danger of Expiring
ArPharazonV(6:40:56 PM): I saw it, sent the email to Eonwe
Xseanzee disco(6:41:06 PM): alright
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VardaValar1(6:41:28 PM): Feel free to send him another one! : )
(6:41:30 PM)ArathornValar has entered the room.
VardaValar1(6:41:38 PM): He would be glad to see others are noticing
ArPharazonV(6:41:47 PM): just a subtle reminder, a few minutes after the first
VardaValar1(6:41:56 PM): hehe
VardaValar1(6:42:02 PM): Comes from having a meeting!
ArPharazonV(6:42:37 PM): how's Alwin doing?
VardaValar1(6:42:47 PM): On number 4
ArPharazonV(6:42:53 PM): so far so good?
VardaValar1(6:43:08 PM): Missed only one so far
VardaValar1(6:43:39 PM): Still might remember it
ArPharazonV(6:43:39 PM): and refresh my memory, how many must you get right?
VardaValar1(6:43:59 PM): 4 of 5
VardaValar1(6:44:05 PM): can be done by partial points
ArPharazonV(6:44:09 PM): ah, of course
VardaValar1(6:44:17 PM): like half of one and half of another
ArPharazonV(6:44:44 PM): anyway, I'll be playing Goldrush again with Gil-Galad, so you may say what you want, but I won't read for a time
Xseanzee disco(6:44:54 PM): ditto.
GwaihirValar(6:45:07 PM): thankfully partial points work hehe...
VardaValar1(6:45:10 PM): Sounds fun : )
VardaValar1(6:45:10 PM): Namarie o afkers
VardaValar1(6:45:12 PM): aye!
GwaihirValar(6:45:14 PM): *wouldn't be here if not for partial points*
GwaihirValar(6:45:15 PM): lol
ArPharazonV(6:45:23 PM): hehe
Ithrin Luin(6:45:27 PM): prolly same for me
VardaValar1(6:45:34 PM): Have to love partial points : )
Ithrin Luin(6:45:36 PM): he he
GwaihirValar(6:45:37 PM): hehe
VardaValar1(6:45:46 PM): Just want to know if you read the book, not trying to beat you to death!
GwaihirValar(6:45:49 PM): Ithrin Luin... I don't believe I've met you...
GwaihirValar(6:46:00 PM): I dunno Varda... Namo seemed to be trying to do that to me with the narsil question!
Ithrin Luin(6:46:03 PM): we know we know he he
Ithrin Luin(6:46:03 PM): you have not
ArPharazonV(6:46:07 PM): I don't want to brag, but..... did I not get 5 out of 5?
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Ithrin Luin(6:46:45 PM): I am known as Celebrimbor
GwaihirValar(6:46:46 PM): I haven't? So I wasn't just imagining things
VardaValar1(6:46:55 PM): New Celebrimbor : )
GwaihirValar(6:47:01 PM): Pleasure to meet you, I think my guild name is fairly obvious
Ithrin Luin(6:47:05 PM): yes
Ithrin Luin(6:47:05 PM): new
VardaValar1(6:47:10 PM): Might have. You can check News page
ArPharazonV(6:47:12 PM): she wasn't on my list either, now she's number 56
Ithrin Luin(6:47:29 PM): well, I have a new screen name: Celebrimbor V
Ithrin Luin(6:47:29 PM): just made for this
Ithrin Luin(6:47:29 PM):
GwaihirValar(6:47:44 PM): Well, I knew the old Celebrimbor in person... so I can fairly accurately ascertain that you're new
Ithrin Luin(6:47:52 PM): one would think
GwaihirValar(6:48:01 PM): hehe
GwaihirValar(6:48:05 PM): 'she', Phara?
VardaValar1(6:48:14 PM): Adding CelebrimborV to my list now
ArPharazonV(6:48:21 PM): ah, of course... wait...
GwaihirValar(6:48:28 PM): Celebrimbor was male... he was in love with Galadriel
ArPharazonV(6:48:31 PM): Ithrin Luin sounded like a girl's name
ArPharazonV(6:48:35 PM): sorry
Ithrin Luin(6:48:36 PM):
GwaihirValar(6:48:36 PM): Aye, I thought that at first too
VardaValar1(6:48:39 PM): Nope
Ithrin Luin(6:48:39 PM): grrrrrrrrr
GwaihirValar(6:48:42 PM): sry
Ithrin Luin(6:48:45 PM): Alatar and Pallando
Ithrin Luin(6:48:50 PM): sigh
GwaihirValar(6:48:52 PM): heh
GwaihirValar(6:48:55 PM): sorry
Ithrin Luin(6:48:57 PM): the blue wizards
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Ithrin Luin(6:49:04 PM): he he
VardaValar1(6:49:04 PM): They are being ignorant, don't feel bad
VardaValar1(6:49:04 PM): He's a double guy : )
Ithrin Luin(6:49:08 PM): yeah
ArPharazonV(6:49:08 PM):
Ithrin Luin(6:49:10 PM): hee hee
Ithrin Luin(6:49:22 PM): brb...gonna sign on as my new name
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Ithrin Luin(6:49:26 PM): ok?
(6:49:34 PM)Ithrin Luin has left the room.
VardaValar1(6:49:37 PM): cool : )
VardaValar1(6:49:47 PM): My connection slowing wayyy down
(6:49:57 PM)GwaihirValar has entered the room.
GwaihirValar(6:50:00 PM): pardon, got disconnected...
ArPharazonV(6:50:03 PM): ok, until later
GwaihirValar(6:50:04 PM): been lagging badly for a bit
VardaValar1(6:50:07 PM): Aiyata
GwaihirValar(6:50:12 PM): thank you, Varda
(6:53:02 PM)Celebrimbor V has entered the room.
Celebrimbor V(6:53:07 PM): voila!
VardaValar1(6:53:18 PM): Huzzah!
GwaihirValar(6:53:19 PM): welcome back
Celebrimbor V(6:53:22 PM): thank you
VardaValar1(6:53:22 PM): Good job
Celebrimbor V(6:53:23 PM):
Celebrimbor V(6:53:29 PM): the boy can be taught
Celebrimbor V(6:53:31 PM): lol
VardaValar1(6:53:46 PM): Fast learner1
GwaihirValar(6:53:49 PM): Sorry about the misconception... the other name does have a feminine ring to it... and I'm afraid I'm not the most fluent in the names of the Blue Wizards, other than Alatar and Pallando
VardaValar1(6:53:50 PM): !
Celebrimbor V(6:54:03 PM): they were the two
Celebrimbor V(6:54:05 PM): sigh
GwaihirValar(6:54:11 PM): I mean, the other names
GwaihirValar(6:54:11 PM): of them
Celebrimbor V(6:54:12 PM): the Ithryn Luin
Celebrimbor V(6:54:14 PM): oh ok
GwaihirValar(6:54:18 PM): the alternates
Celebrimbor V(6:54:22 PM): it's a tad obscure
Celebrimbor V(6:54:39 PM): I am highly fascinated by the history of the Istari
GwaihirValar(6:54:41 PM): Aye, and I haven't looked nearly enough at my Unfinished Tails 'Of the Istari' section
VardaValar1(6:54:42 PM): I liked it : )
Celebrimbor V(6:54:55 PM): that's an area of focus for me
VardaValar1(6:54:59 PM): I like Feanturi too
Celebrimbor V(6:54:59 PM): the history of them
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VardaValar1(6:55:11 PM): Aiyata
Celebrimbor V(6:55:31 PM): Gwaihir, I cannot see u on my buddy list...I added ya
VardaValar1(6:55:53 PM): Arathorn, do you have Celebrimbor's name on Quick AIM?
VardaValar1(6:56:00 PM): Also called Ithrin Luin
Celebrimbor V(6:56:07 PM): that's me
GwaihirValar(6:56:26 PM): I've got my privacy settings so that nobody whom I haven't yet added can see me as online
Celebrimbor V(6:56:33 PM): oh ok gotcha
Celebrimbor V(6:56:37 PM): that explains it
GwaihirValar(6:56:39 PM): yup
Celebrimbor V(6:57:01 PM): thank ya
GwaihirValar(6:57:31 PM): my pleasure
GwaihirValar(6:57:47 PM): I usually don't add people all that often...
Celebrimbor V(6:57:57 PM): well, the pleasure ie mine to serve this great guild
VardaValar1(6:58:11 PM): We are as good as the people in it
Celebrimbor V(6:58:22 PM):
Celebrimbor V(6:58:22 PM): I believe it
Celebrimbor V(6:58:23 PM):
VardaValar1(6:58:27 PM): Now you are in it, we trust we will be even better
Celebrimbor V(6:58:35 PM): I am honored
VardaValar1(6:58:46 PM): *curtsies*
Celebrimbor V(6:58:53 PM): hee hee
VardaValar1(6:59:14 PM): alwin is on number 5
Celebrimbor V(6:59:20 PM): so far so good?
ArathornValar(6:59:43 PM): I tink so... let me chcek
GwaihirValar(6:59:56 PM): I hope to be making an important addition of my own to the guild fairly soon... my beloved whom I am still convincing to take her entry test
Celebrimbor V(7:00:12 PM): wonderful
VardaValar1(7:00:16 PM): She was needing some book copies last I heard. Did she get them?
ArathornValar(7:00:18 PM): yup.. Celebrimbor's on
VardaValar1(7:00:26 PM): Thanks, Arathorn!
GwaihirValar(7:00:48 PM): I'd have to ask her... she's away from home for the weekend
Celebrimbor V(7:01:00 PM): that's me
VardaValar1(7:01:01 PM): That makes testing sticky
VardaValar1(7:01:07 PM): Wanted to look back over
GwaihirValar(7:01:12 PM): aye, I know
VardaValar1(7:01:25 PM): Indeed you do, fellow tester : )
GwaihirValar(7:01:30 PM): she doesn't give herself nearly 'nough credit though... she'd do fine...
Celebrimbor V(7:01:34 PM): yeah
Celebrimbor V(7:01:37 PM): I did fine
Celebrimbor V(7:01:43 PM): thanx to partial points
VardaValar1(7:01:49 PM): hehe
GwaihirValar(7:01:51 PM): she's much smarter than she gives herself credit for....
Celebrimbor V(7:02:19 PM): yeah most are
VardaValar1(7:02:27 PM): We still have a batch of members who haven't learned to invite themselves
Celebrimbor V(7:02:28 PM): we tend to be so hard on ourselves
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VardaValar1(7:02:36 PM): The room name is case sensitive
GwaihirValar(7:02:39 PM): But then again.... I'm quite biased in her favour *smiles*
GwaihirValar(7:02:45 PM): is it?
VardaValar1(7:02:46 PM): True, Celebrimbor
VardaValar1(7:02:56 PM): So we need to help them with it
Celebrimbor V(7:03:29 PM): indeed
GwaihirValar(7:03:31 PM): Name is case insensitive
VardaValar1(7:03:36 PM): I think Lady Fallun is already another of the bright points even as a visitor
VardaValar1(7:03:50 PM): Interesting, had a problem with it with some other members
GwaihirValar(7:03:53 PM): I'm glad to hear that
VardaValar1(7:03:55 PM): Maybe fixed
GwaihirValar(7:04:09 PM): I just tried to invite myself to valar guild meetingplace and it didn't start a new room
GwaihirValar(7:04:12 PM): so...
Celebrimbor V(7:04:16 PM): yeah lol
VardaValar1(7:04:33 PM): Good to hear!
ArathornValar(7:04:56 PM): odd... it's explained on teh quickaim page... we should refer them to it again
Celebrimbor V(7:05:13 PM): yeah
VardaValar1(7:05:14 PM): Read? hehe
VardaValar1(7:05:27 PM): True
Celebrimbor V(7:05:30 PM): I'm currently updating my AIM buddy list
GwaihirValar(7:05:51 PM): wonder what Emma'll end up picking for her name when she joins(*grins evilly* because she will eventually ;))
VardaValar1(7:06:11 PM): That would be something to consider. Takes longer than the test sometimes
GwaihirValar(7:06:17 PM): aye
GwaihirValar(7:06:24 PM): I'll have to ask her what she's looking at
Celebrimbor V(7:06:47 PM): yeah
(7:08:56 PM)Xseanzee disco has left the room.
GwaihirValar(7:09:16 PM): I wish she were here to ask *sighs*
Celebrimbor V(7:09:33 PM): yeah
VardaValar1(7:09:42 PM): Has to sleep sometime
GwaihirValar(7:09:52 PM): hehe, I wish she'd been here at all this weekend...
GwaihirValar(7:10:14 PM): she's been gone since early Friday morning Central time... about 1 PM her time...
ArathornValar(7:10:37 PM): Pity.. was too late for FM to play
ArPharazonV(7:10:53 PM): back... gonna read the above 5 pages now
ArathornValar(7:11:07 PM): We'll have to try another time. Anyone else here play D2 on a Mac..?
VardaValar1(7:11:26 PM): alwin passed! : )
ArathornValar(7:11:33 PM): Gwai, do you have a Mac?
GwaihirValar(7:11:37 PM): nope
GwaihirValar(7:11:45 PM): I wouldn't consider gaming on a Mac...
ArathornValar(7:11:52 PM): Ahhh! Which guild name was chosen?
GwaihirValar(7:11:54 PM): if I were interested in graphic design... I'd prolly go with a mac but...
VardaValar1(7:12:01 PM): That's what we are on now : )
GwaihirValar(7:12:04 PM): Congrats to Alwin
Celebrimbor V(7:12:05 PM): donme finally
ArathornValar(7:12:14 PM): hmm... seems someone else in the guild has one that I speak to reg.... maybe Turg>
Celebrimbor V(7:12:17 PM): congrats indeed
VardaValar1(7:12:42 PM): There are other Mac users, can't think of one offhand
ArathornValar(7:12:59 PM): FM's not sure if the mod will work there... think it should tho
GwaihirValar(7:13:23 PM): Turg's not on a mac I doubt...
ArathornValar(7:13:30 PM): I think it's Turgon, but I could just as easily be wrong
ArPharazonV(7:13:46 PM): ok, read it all... congrats to Alwin!
VardaValar1(7:14:12 PM): He's considering a hobbit name
ArPharazonV(7:14:21 PM):
Celebrimbor V(7:14:34 PM): do tell
ArathornValar(7:14:56 PM): well.. seems that I've spoken online most to you, Gwai, Turg and Orod other than FM very often... thought for sure on other of you had one
ArPharazonV(7:15:44 PM): is the name list up-to-date?
GwaihirValar(7:15:58 PM): don't think so
VardaValar1(7:16:04 PM): only Activity page is up to date
ArPharazonV(7:16:07 PM): hm, guess not.... Bilbo's not owned
VardaValar1(7:16:53 PM): Bilbo is owned
VardaValar1(7:17:00 PM): Bilbo joined a few days ago
Celebrimbor V(7:17:04 PM): really
ArPharazonV(7:17:16 PM): that's what I mean
VardaValar1(7:17:18 PM): See Activity page, News page
ArPharazonV(7:17:24 PM): so, it's not uptodate
ArathornValar(7:17:27 PM): does Bilbo have an Aim name yet?
VardaValar1(7:17:36 PM): Gotta Scratch
ArPharazonV(7:17:37 PM): that's what I'm saying
Celebrimbor V(7:17:37 PM): you know ur in Valar, when u make plans to build mithlond on at the sea
VardaValar1(7:17:42 PM): hehe
Celebrimbor V(7:18:09 PM): sorry
Celebrimbor V(7:18:12 PM): random thought
VardaValar1(7:18:31 PM): We do a lot of that, and free association : )
Celebrimbor V(7:18:37 PM): yeah
VardaValar1(7:18:39 PM): Especially later at night
ArathornValar(7:18:40 PM): er... is that what he wants on the Aim page, or is her creating another for the guild?
Celebrimbor V(7:19:08 PM): fun times
ArPharazonV(7:19:12 PM): you know you're in Valar, when almost all names around you end with -V... although that could also be Bulgaria
VardaValar1(7:19:20 PM): He may make a new one for us
VardaValar1(7:19:25 PM): Not home, helping buddy move
VardaValar1(7:19:45 PM): We have kidded about looking as if we should write in Cyrillic instead of Tengwar
ArathornValar(7:20:03 PM): well, you'll keep me advised I'm sure
Celebrimbor V(7:20:04 PM): he he
VardaValar1(7:20:32 PM): I try to put it on the News and Activity when I know
Celebrimbor V(7:21:11 PM): I think it's time I started working on a few articles of the Istari
ArathornValar(7:21:51 PM): that's where I got the info last two times
VardaValar1(7:22:15 PM): Good idea : )
ArathornValar(7:22:18 PM): I know cyrillic
ArPharazonV(7:22:22 PM): you know you're in Valar, when you're representing someone buried under a mountainrange
VardaValar1(7:22:27 PM): hehe
VardaValar1(7:22:42 PM): He needs representation. Hard to see him thre
VardaValar1(7:22:43 PM): there
Celebrimbor V(7:22:57 PM): very true
ArPharazonV(7:23:23 PM): you know you're in Valar, when you spend an evening discussing the origins of a tree
GwaihirValar(7:23:29 PM): hehe
VardaValar1(7:23:33 PM): or a biologist : )
ArPharazonV(7:23:42 PM): could be..
Celebrimbor V(7:24:13 PM): I'm a psych major
Celebrimbor V(7:24:15 PM): he eh
ArPharazonV(7:24:34 PM): ok, you know you're in Valar, when you spend an evening discussing the origins of a TALKING tree
Celebrimbor V(7:24:39 PM): he he
GwaihirValar(7:24:44 PM): lol
Celebrimbor V(7:24:49 PM): or enjoy naming them all
Celebrimbor V(7:24:59 PM): lol
ArathornValar(7:25:43 PM): hmm.. Eonwe's gone huh...
ArathornValar(7:26:31 PM): I need to get togetehr with him some time soon for help in Act5 mod... took me 3 hours to free Anya on my own the other day. My hire died about 25 times
GwaihirValar(7:26:43 PM): heh
ArathornValar(7:27:21 PM): Have to go to the mount next... doubt I can beat them at this point ... getting tough to level too
Celebrimbor V(7:27:53 PM): well, I have errands to run so I guess I shall go for the words of Mithrandir: "Go Shadowfax! Show us the meaning of haste!"
GwaihirValar(7:28:00 PM): farewell
ArPharazonV(7:28:03 PM): Namarie
ArathornValar(7:28:07 PM): The Cryatalline passage was FILLED with witches! They are tough customers!
ArathornValar(7:28:20 PM): *crystalline
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ArPharazonV(7:28:47 PM): you know you're in Valar, when you start every conversation on MSN with Aiya, Manenna, and Nan mara (true story)
ArathornValar(7:29:13 PM): Well, I'm off too.. no one D2ing so.. Namarie all!
ArPharazonV(7:29:19 PM): Namarie
GwaihirValar(7:29:31 PM): cya
GwaihirValar(7:29:43 PM): *is reading up rules and writing up characters for dnd* heh
ArPharazonV(7:29:45 PM): *and if you end every conversation with Namarie
VardaValar1(7:30:30 PM): Alwin is Fladrif now!
(7:30:30 PM)Orodreth V has left the room.
(7:30:33 PM)ArathornValar has left the room.
ArPharazonV(7:30:53 PM): nice!
VardaValar1(7:30:54 PM): He's getting into the forum
ArPharazonV(7:32:12 PM): perhaps he can join the RP
ArPharazonV(7:32:35 PM): well, in any case, bnet's empty... finally closing off war3
ArPharazonV(7:34:10 PM): Fladrif-V? just try pronouncing it fluently...
GwaihirValar(7:34:28 PM): hehe
VardaValar1(7:34:34 PM): Ok, just tried several times... hoo
ArPharazonV(7:35:24 PM): if you do it fast enough and often enough, I doubt your keyboard and monitor will remain dry....
alwin0(7:35:25 PM): how to change name in trillian?
VardaValar1(7:35:35 PM): hehe
VardaValar1(7:35:57 PM): Does he need to quit Trillian to rename?
ArPharazonV(7:36:12 PM): I've got no idea
VardaValar1(7:36:39 PM): In my AIM, I had to act as if making a new account
VardaValar1(7:36:46 PM): Then it showed both old and new
alwin0(7:36:57 PM): ok i download aim first
ArPharazonV(7:37:03 PM): in MSN, you just change your name, and it changes everywhere
VardaValar1(7:37:18 PM): We have some Trillian users
VardaValar1(7:37:26 PM): No one awake with Trillian?
VardaValar1(7:37:40 PM): Mother's Day supper ready
VardaValar1(7:37:50 PM): I will need to leave pretty quickly
ArPharazonV(7:37:52 PM): enjoy your meal
GwaihirValar(7:38:08 PM): farewell! Happy Mother's Day to you
GwaihirValar(7:38:14 PM): enjoy the feast
ArPharazonV(7:38:28 PM): enjoy the rest of the day
alwin0(7:39:23 PM): ok done
alwin0(7:39:27 PM): hmmz
alwin0(7:39:32 PM): almost then i think
ArPharazonV(7:39:42 PM): brb
VardaValar1(7:40:51 PM): If I don't email you, be sure to email me. Means there was a problem
alwin0(7:41:04 PM): ok
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(7:42:05 PM)alwin0 has entered the room.
alwin0(7:42:22 PM): changed my name online...
(7:42:23 PM)alwin0 has left the room.
VardaValar1(7:42:47 PM): Saw Fladrif on the Forum
VardaValar1(7:43:25 PM): Uploaded News and Activity showing he's one of us. Will have toupdate more on News and Recruit, but should be enough to keep his nameand stop flak
(7:45:01 PM)FladrifV has left the room.
(7:45:15 PM)FladrifV has entered the room.
VardaValar1(7:45:22 PM): Aiya Fladrif!
GwaihirValar(7:45:28 PM): hey
VardaValar1(7:45:29 PM): Welcome to the Valar Guild!
FladrifV(7:45:42 PM): Aiya
VardaValar1(7:45:48 PM): I reallly must go see my sweet kids
FladrifV(7:45:54 PM): indeed
VardaValar1(7:45:58 PM): Eowyn and Sauron prepared a feast
VardaValar1(7:45:59 PM): Namarie!