May 23, 2004 Meeting
AIM: Valar Guild Meetingplace
5pm EST, 22:00 GMT
Meeting Begins (Eonwe-Valar presiding)
Favorite Silmarillion stories
Links to Tolkien pics brought up while chatting
(4:51:58 PM) Eonwe Valar has entered the room.
(4:52:02 PM) Orodreth V has entered the room.
Orodreth V (4:52:07 PM): Aiya
Eonwe Valar (4:52:11 PM): heya
Orodreth V (4:52:20 PM): Almost donw with my math test.
Orodreth V (4:52:22 PM): done
(4:52:38 PM) FladrifV has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar (4:52:54 PM): Take-home math test?
Eonwe Valar (4:52:59 PM): heya Fladrif
FladrifV (4:53:01 PM): Aiya
Orodreth V (4:53:04 PM): Online.
FladrifV (4:53:11 PM): and namarie at the same time...
FladrifV (4:53:17 PM): have a test tomorro
FladrifV (4:53:18 PM): w
(4:53:50 PM) FladrifV has left the room.
Orodreth V (4:53:52 PM): Hate how they teach you this stuff.. give me the
equatiosn and 5 examples, and I know it. Rawr.
Orodreth V (4:54:09 PM): Don't give me all that fiddling around showing half of
Orodreth V (4:54:17 PM): Just confuses me.
Orodreth V (4:54:21 PM): [/rant]
Eonwe Valar (4:54:23 PM): hehe
Eonwe Valar (4:55:59 PM): afk for a couple of minutes
(4:59:58 PM) HuanofValar has entered the room.
(5:00:58 PM) MyLifeForAuir72 has entered the room.
MyLifeForAuir72 (5:01:10 PM): Aiya
(5:01:51 PM) DemonicHorde69 has entered the room.
(5:01:55 PM) sauronjag has entered the room.
(5:04:12 PM) ArathornValar has entered the room.
ArathornValar (5:04:25 PM): weird... couldn't join before... now I'm in ine
ArathornValar (5:04:30 PM): *fine
MyLifeForAuir72 (5:05:00 PM): i had that happen to me before
MyLifeForAuir72 (5:06:01 PM): hmmm, is anyone talking, cause I don't see a thing
mikenowo (5:06:35 PM): nope
MyLifeForAuir72 (5:06:46 PM): okay, cool, had a problem with that before
Eonwe Valar (5:06:52 PM): ok back
Eonwe Valar (5:07:22 PM): Who is MyLifeForAiur?
MyLifeForAuir72 (5:07:30 PM): PaladinTook
MyLifeForAuir72 (5:07:40 PM): I just happen to have the day off from work :D
Eonwe Valar (5:07:43 PM): ok, didn't recognize the name :}
Eonwe Valar (5:07:48 PM): cool :} congrats :}
MyLifeForAuir72 (5:07:57 PM): thanks :D
Eonwe Valar (5:08:21 PM): Demonic Horde = Mablung?
Eonwe Valar (5:08:39 PM): Taking role; that's why I'm asking :}
ArathornValar (5:08:56 PM): yup
Eonwe Valar (5:09:29 PM): Ok, then role is taken and we can begin with the
ArathornValar (5:09:40 PM): hmm.. don't see suaron in my list tho
ArathornValar (5:09:45 PM): *sauron
Eonwe Valar (5:09:53 PM): Sauronjag= Lungorthin
ArathornValar (5:10:04 PM): ahh.. yes... have him as an extra <heh>
sauronjag (5:10:18 PM): raukojag is my guild sn :-) for some reason it has
Eonwe Valar (5:10:32 PM): Elen Sila Lumenn Omentielvo :}
Eonwe Valar (5:10:52 PM): Welcome to all and heya to those who don't usually get
to make it to a meeting :}
Eonwe Valar (5:11:09 PM): Membership:
Eonwe Valar (5:11:43 PM): Varda as far as I can tell is having some internet
Eonwe Valar (5:12:31 PM): I'm guessing since usually she's fairly prompt on
responding to e-mails, so no need to panic yet :}
HuanofValar (5:12:51 PM): ahhh *panic*
Eonwe Valar (5:13:24 PM): If you have any questions or concerns and don't get a
response from Varda, throw them at me and I'll see what I can do.
Eonwe Valar (5:13:57 PM): if they're heavy, you can just set them next to my
desk, as opposed to throwing them :}
Eonwe Valar (5:14:23 PM): Anyone have any member news?
Eonwe Valar (5:14:28 PM): Pardon, one more :}
ArathornValar (5:14:29 PM): er.. sort of..
Eonwe Valar (5:14:46 PM): Turgon is hoping to be back soon :}
sauronjag (5:15:07 PM): did he say what he's having problems with? he hasn't
been on in awhile
ArathornValar (5:15:23 PM): no electricity
ArathornValar (5:15:27 PM): I think
Eonwe Valar (5:15:35 PM): Several components of his computer fried
ArathornValar (5:15:48 PM): ahh.. that too then
MyLifeForAuir72 (5:15:50 PM): ouch :/
Orodreth V (5:15:51 PM): I played TFT with him recently.
Eonwe Valar (5:15:53 PM): that's the last I heard
sauronjag (5:16:06 PM): okay..
Orodreth V (5:16:18 PM): His computer is slow.
Eonwe Valar (5:16:23 PM): cool :}
Orodreth V (5:16:24 PM): But it runs..kind of.
Eonwe Valar (5:16:31 PM): about getting a game with him, not about the slow comp
Orodreth V (5:16:38 PM): At least that's the impression I got. He didn't lag too
all much, though.
(5:17:04 PM) Xseanzee disco has entered the room.
Xseanzee disco (5:17:11 PM): hello!
Orodreth V (5:17:19 PM): Aiya.
sauronjag (5:17:44 PM): Heya
Eonwe Valar (5:17:46 PM): Arathorn, you had member news?
ArathornValar (5:17:53 PM): Belated news..
Eonwe Valar (5:18:04 PM): go ahead
ArathornValar (5:18:14 PM): My 1 year aniversary was May 2nd, but I kept
forgetting to mention <chuckle>
sauronjag (5:18:26 PM): I'm sorry folks I have to leave, but I'll stay in the
chat until it closes. Namarie all
ArathornValar (5:18:26 PM): I wasn't in the meeting that day.. go figure
MyLifeForAuir72 (5:18:34 PM): congrats :-)
ArathornValar (5:18:35 PM): Namarie
MyLifeForAuir72 (5:18:39 PM): Namarie
Orodreth V (5:18:42 PM): Namarie
ArathornValar (5:18:51 PM): was the only meeting I've missed in ages
Eonwe Valar (5:19:01 PM): Congrats Arathorn :}
ArathornValar (5:19:09 PM): well, for a year anyway:-D
Eonwe Valar (5:19:11 PM): I hope it's been a memorable year :}
ArathornValar (5:19:16 PM): indeed
Orodreth V (5:19:29 PM): Yes, here's to five more. :-)
ArathornValar (5:20:03 PM): umm.. also, ...
Eonwe Valar (5:20:07 PM): yes?
ArathornValar (5:20:19 PM): Grimbold is back in d2 (not sure if this is Member
or Gaming but..)
ArathornValar (5:20:34 PM): been playing a new char with him past week <heh>
Eonwe Valar (5:20:49 PM): A Member being back goes with Member News :}
MyLifeForAuir72 (5:21:46 PM): Since this is the first time I have been at a
meeting is there a time to ask questions? other then this one of course :-)
Eonwe Valar (5:22:43 PM): If it can fall under a category of the meeting you can
ask it there, otherwise the end of the meeting :}
MyLifeForAuir72 (5:22:54 PM): k
Eonwe Valar (5:22:56 PM): After the Gaming but before Tolkien, rather
Eonwe Valar (5:23:21 PM): Orodreth, you had Member News?
Orodreth V (5:23:38 PM): Yup. I have no school starting June 2nd.
Orodreth V (5:23:44 PM): Not really much of a change for me, really.
Orodreth V (5:24:02 PM): But I'll be around Monday and Tuesdays in the morning
Orodreth V (5:24:44 PM): I don't know if I ever mentioned this, but I've done
some LotR fanfic.
Eonwe Valar (5:24:50 PM): Congrats to all of you getting ready to begin Summer
Orodreth V (5:25:16 PM): The link to it is posted on the fourms.
Orodreth V (5:25:43 PM): As well, once Varda's back, I'll e-mail the story to
her to put it on the storys page.
(5:25:57 PM) HuanofValar has left the room.
Eonwe Valar (5:26:04 PM): Thanks Orodreth, and if that's it for Member News,
I'll use that to seguey into Web news :}
Orodreth V (5:26:23 PM): That's it for here.. at least until I remember whatever
I forgot, which I'm sure was important.
Orodreth V (5:26:23 PM): /me shrugs
Eonwe Valar (5:26:31 PM): hehe :}
Eonwe Valar (5:26:39 PM): You'll remember I'm sure :}
Eonwe Valar (5:26:46 PM): Web news:
Eonwe Valar (5:26:55 PM): Orodreth announced his fanfic :}
Eonwe Valar (5:27:33 PM): The MEO RP has slowed a bit, but I hope participants
aren't bored with it yet :}
Orodreth V (5:27:39 PM): And as a note, any constructive critisim would be more
Orodreth V (5:27:46 PM): I knew there was something.
Eonwe Valar (5:28:48 PM): The Games Page has had a couple of updates, including
a link to Arathorn's uber-D pics from the D2 Minilinks
Eonwe Valar (5:29:21 PM): Any other Web news?
ArathornValar (5:29:26 PM): YEah, I tried to find that but couldn't ... which
link is it on/from?
(5:29:35 PM) VardaValar1 has entered the room.
ArathornValar (5:29:42 PM): the main game, or a link on it?
VardaValar1 (5:29:45 PM): Aiya
Eonwe Valar (5:29:47 PM): Click on the D2/LoD Player Listing and the links
should be in the right frame
MyLifeForAuir72 (5:29:51 PM): Aiya
ArathornValar (5:29:54 PM): ok.. will try again...
ArathornValar (5:30:13 PM): Umm... I weas a busy bee this week in Tolkien mod
ArathornValar (5:30:17 PM): *was
ArathornValar (5:30:32 PM): Added 30 uniques and set pieces that I found to the
D2X Middle-earth mod:
ArathornValar (5:30:50 PM): Also, finally beat Baal... lvl 77 now I believe
VardaValar1 (5:31:28 PM): Congrats!
Eonwe Valar (5:31:57 PM): Good job Arathorn :} Check out those unique and set
pages everyone :} Some good ones there from the ME mod :}
ArathornValar (5:32:31 PM): I also got my Lader Nec to lvl 87.. just BARELY
ArathornValar (5:32:48 PM): died 3 times and kept getting knocked down <chortle>
Eonwe Valar (5:33:03 PM): If there's no other Web news, we're now in Gaming :}
ArathornValar (5:33:05 PM): Starting a new Barb in ladder too... only char I
don't have there
ArathornValar (5:33:11 PM): that's it for me
MyLifeForAuir72 (5:33:25 PM): aha, gaming goes with my question
Eonwe Valar (5:33:29 PM): Thanks Arathorn and congrats :}
ArathornValar (5:33:34 PM): :-)
Eonwe Valar (5:33:40 PM): Go ahead Paladin
MyLifeForAuir72 (5:34:15 PM): I have been trying to join the wc3 clan for the
guild but I never catch anyone to let me in and I have been told the meeting is
the best place to hopefully get someone :-)
Eonwe Valar (5:34:54 PM): You'll have your tag today :}
MyLifeForAuir72 (5:35:00 PM): :D
Well of Souls:
Eonwe Valar (5:35:41 PM): Orodreth, you had some gaming news :}
Orodreth V (5:35:58 PM): Yes, work is coming out of hibernation state for
Orodreth V (5:36:05 PM): I did some work on it today.
Orodreth V (5:36:36 PM): Summer vacation should increase my time as well as
whoever else I can coerce into helping me. ;-)
ArathornValar (5:37:05 PM): I played around with some web page ideas for
ELvondel, but none came out to my liking as yet... did some rollovers and popup
Eonwe Valar (5:38:14 PM): This Elvondel is for Well of Souls, correct?
Orodreth V (5:38:18 PM): Correct.
Orodreth V (5:38:25 PM): www.synthetic-reality.com
Orodreth V (5:38:28 PM): Free RPG.
Eonwe Valar (5:38:37 PM): Essentially a mod?
Orodreth V (5:38:44 PM): That's the idea, here.
ArathornValar (5:39:32 PM): We most likely will get more action on it when
Turgon gets back... more heads to knock er.. join together...
Eonwe Valar (5:39:40 PM): hehe
Orodreth V (5:40:01 PM): One thing that's a plus about WoS's graphics is that we
don't need someone straight out of a professional design studio to do out art
Orodreth V (5:40:09 PM): not that if said peorson wanted to help they'd be
turned away. :-)
Orodreth V (5:40:32 PM): person, even
Orodreth V (5:40:40 PM): I'll stop blabbing my mouth off now.
ArathornValar (5:40:47 PM): <chuckle>
ArathornValar (5:40:54 PM): does that mean I should start?
Orodreth V (5:41:10 PM): Oh, yes, yes. ;-)
Eonwe Valar (5:41:18 PM): Thanks for the update on Elvondel Orodreth :} Good
luck with the work :} Anyone who wants to help, contact Orodreth through e-mail,
or we even have a board on the Forum for it
VardaValar1 (5:41:52 PM): My main comp is currently toast, and I just got home
after a week's absence, will try to catch up on email later
ArathornValar (5:42:19 PM): Still that virus trouble?
ArathornValar (5:42:46 PM): I got one early in the week too, but my checker
caught and cleaned it
VardaValar1 (5:42:48 PM): New video card not working. Other comp had soda in
keyboard, washed and now drying
VardaValar1 (5:43:06 PM): I get several viruses daily coming at us
ArathornValar (5:43:08 PM): ahh...the infamous soda virus... indeed
Eonwe Valar (5:43:25 PM): spread by continuous partying? :}
VardaValar1 (5:43:25 PM): hehe
ArathornValar (5:43:29 PM): best to switch to powdered water
VardaValar1 (5:43:31 PM): You bet
VardaValar1 (5:43:36 PM): Kool-aid
D2X Middle-earth (more):
ArathornValar (5:44:03 PM): Oh, one thing I meant to ask you specifically,
Eonwe, re the mod...
Eonwe Valar (5:44:11 PM): yes?
ArathornValar (5:44:29 PM): Have you gone up against Morgoth's minions?
ArathornValar (5:44:55 PM): I found the last boss (dragon) virtually impossible
Eonwe Valar (5:45:27 PM): I haven't got that far with my Dark Elf in the Newest
version, but my Dunadan uses smite
ArathornValar (5:45:31 PM): ended up running him down to the entrance them tping
back up to fight Morgoth... he kept healing himself
ArathornValar (5:45:50 PM): and has ridiculously strong stone skin
Eonwe Valar (5:45:53 PM): Try to get a Macar's ring,.. think ithas prevent
ArathornValar (5:46:14 PM): Let me know what you think when you get to the new
version there.. toughest.. tougher than even Uber-D I found
ArathornValar (5:46:22 PM): ahhh.. that would help
ArathornValar (5:46:34 PM): only found one unique ring so far
Eonwe Valar (5:46:41 PM): One last thing for gaming: Does everyone playing WC3
know about the new patch and the new features?
MyLifeForAuir72 (5:47:03 PM): i read about them when i got the patch, if that's
what you mean?
Eonwe Valar (5:47:39 PM): just making sure everyone knows about the clan ladder
in case they're interested in participating
Eonwe Valar (5:48:08 PM): certain games will go to improve the WC3 group's
Eonwe Valar (5:48:29 PM): they initiated all that in 1.15
MyLifeForAuir72 (5:48:32 PM): hmmm, how about a quick overview, could someone
that works alot or is on there comp at random times still join it?
Eonwe Valar (5:48:39 PM): yeah
MyLifeForAuir72 (5:49:01 PM): hmm
VardaValar1 (5:49:09 PM): That would be most of the guild :-)
Eonwe Valar (5:49:09 PM): it uses certain of your games and there are different
ladders of clans,.. such as solo or arranged games,.. however
Eonwe Valar (5:49:28 PM): for arranged teams, all members of the team have to be
in the clan
MyLifeForAuir72 (5:49:37 PM): i see
Eonwe Valar (5:49:38 PM): in order for it to count toward that clan's rating
Eonwe Valar (5:50:54 PM): Any other questions? Tolkien Topics?
VardaValar1 (5:51:41 PM): Favorite story in Sil?
Orodreth V (5:52:36 PM): Two weeks ago I had some really good questions
concering the Watchful Peace, but it's all gone now.
ArathornValar (5:53:00 PM): hmm... so many side stories..
VardaValar1 (5:53:27 PM): What about the Watchful Peace?
Eonwe Valar (5:53:40 PM): Varda's got the Tolkien section :} Paladin, join me in
bnet for your tag :}
MyLifeForAuir72 (5:53:48 PM): k
VardaValar1 (5:53:58 PM): I need to get one of those tags sometime too :-)
Orodreth V (5:54:22 PM): First thing I had to figure out was the age, but that's
not exactly discussion-inspiring.
VardaValar1 (5:54:43 PM): So tell us what the Watchful Peace is :-)
ArathornValar (5:54:51 PM): I did enjoy Turin's story quite a bit...
Orodreth V (5:54:51 PM): Next I wondered about who exactly was around in that
age..noting reall for a discussion, I suppose.
VardaValar1 (5:55:19 PM): brb - running message
VardaValar1 (5:55:57 PM): back
Orodreth V (5:56:01 PM): It was a time of edgy peace for 400 years a little
after the middle of the third age.
Orodreth V (5:56:40 PM): Then Sauron came to Dol Guldor and it all went to the
VardaValar1 (5:56:42 PM): What did you like about Turin's story? Pretty gloomy
ArathornValar (5:56:49 PM): Sauron was hiding out East
Orodreth V (5:57:04 PM): Yea.
ArathornValar (5:57:15 PM): Well, his wanderings through the lands mostly...
VardaValar1 (5:57:36 PM): He met a lot of groups, aye
ArathornValar (5:57:45 PM): Guess being a Ranger type it appealed to me ;-)
VardaValar1 (5:58:01 PM): Even found the rare petty-dwarves
VardaValar1 (5:58:26 PM): Made them rarer
ArathornValar (5:58:40 PM): that was interesting yes...
VardaValar1 (5:58:54 PM): I liked his buddy, Belegh
VardaValar1 (5:58:56 PM): Beleg
VardaValar1 (5:59:38 PM): How about Earendil's story?
Orodreth V (5:59:45 PM): That was inspiring.
ArathornValar (5:59:50 PM): who he kills unfortunately.. darn spells
VardaValar1 (6:00:09 PM): Hey, it was dark and rainy, looked bad
Orodreth V (6:00:28 PM): Hey, Glaurung was a powerful dragon. :-\
VardaValar1 (6:00:39 PM): Some eyes on that worm!
VardaValar1 (6:01:15 PM): That ability to hold a guy still with the eyes - don't
want to see that in gaming!
ArathornValar (6:01:31 PM): heh,, thta;s the name they give to the dragon I was
talking about in the tolkien D2X mod
VardaValar1 (6:01:39 PM): hehe
ArathornValar (6:01:42 PM): REALLY tough there
VardaValar1 (6:01:52 PM): I'll bet!
VardaValar1 (6:02:19 PM): Glaurung was smart, made him very dangerous
ArathornValar (6:03:19 PM): hmm... does it ever mention who Smaug's direct
ancestors are ... might it be Glaurung or is it just a given that all dragons
Orodreth V (6:03:30 PM): I found it interesting how Tolkien combined in a way
both the Eastern and Western versions of Dragons.
VardaValar1 (6:03:36 PM): Glaurung is the father of dragons
Orodreth V (6:03:52 PM): Smaug pprobally came from Ancalagon's line.
Orodreth V (6:03:56 PM): *probally
VardaValar1 (6:04:00 PM): Ancalagon could fly
Orodreth V (6:04:01 PM): Being that he could fly.
ArathornValar (6:05:13 PM): Where did dragons actually come from.. were they
related to Balrogs.. or are they all spawned from Morgoth's devilry?
VardaValar1 (6:05:17 PM): They didn't seem to have many dragons, after the Valar
VardaValar1 (6:05:25 PM): Morgoth bred dragons
ArathornValar (6:05:40 PM): er.. from what?
Orodreth V (6:05:44 PM): Morgoth also bred Orcs. Probally bred everythign he
could get his hands on.
Orodreth V (6:05:55 PM): (In his own twisted way)
VardaValar1 (6:05:56 PM): Good question, Arathorn
Eonwe Valar (6:06:00 PM): Dragons are perversions of dinosaurs :}
ArathornValar (6:06:08 PM): interesting...
VardaValar1 (6:06:25 PM): Morgoth wanted to create but could only twist
Orodreth V (6:06:29 PM): Perhaps Glaurung was one of the spirits a la Ungoliant?
ArathornValar (6:06:31 PM): to breed you have to start somewhere ;-)
VardaValar1 (6:06:36 PM): Took life already present and corrupted
ArathornValar (6:06:42 PM): hmm.. also interesting
VardaValar1 (6:06:55 PM): I ran across something about dragons being bred
ArathornValar (6:07:20 PM): well, we surmise that orcs were 'bred' from elves...
but what of Dragons (and what about Balrogs..)?
VardaValar1 (6:07:34 PM): Balrogs were corrupted Maiar
Eonwe Valar (6:07:37 PM): Balrogs are Maiar,.. no breeding required
ArathornValar (6:07:38 PM): no real mention of dinosaurs in teh books
Orodreth V (6:07:44 PM): We know Ungoliant, even though having the power
of/perversion of/nearly the power of a Maia, had, for lack of a bettter word,
ArathornValar (6:07:47 PM): ahh..
Eonwe Valar (6:07:55 PM): there were no mention of fleas either, but we can
assume they were there :}
VardaValar1 (6:07:58 PM): hehe
Eonwe Valar (6:08:17 PM): Shelob I wouldn't call normal ;}
Orodreth V (6:08:19 PM): So it would be possible the same thing happened with
ArathornValar (6:08:19 PM): er... so then that's not necessarily the way they
look then... just 'bodies' they took on
VardaValar1 (6:08:21 PM): Interesting, cross a Balrog with something?
VardaValar1 (6:08:40 PM): Ainur took on bodies expressing their mental sets
Orodreth V (6:08:44 PM): Well, no, but that's first generation.
Orodreth V (6:09:02 PM): The other decendants obviously lost power..
Orodreth V (6:09:10 PM): Dragons did too as well.
ArathornValar (6:09:22 PM): ack... HAD to mention fleas huh <scratch scratch
VardaValar1 (6:09:31 PM): If an Ainur wanted to have a lot of power over the
material world, he/she needed a material body
VardaValar1 (6:09:45 PM): *hands over flea spray*
Orodreth V (6:09:47 PM): Anyone metion the 'm' word and I'll hurt them. :-\
Orodreth V (6:10:00 PM): I have enough of those around here anyways.
VardaValar1 (6:10:21 PM): Morgoth put so much of his power into his minions,
that he became lesser
Orodreth V (6:10:55 PM): Anyways, I don't recall there being any mention of any
creature in any way remotly linkable with Dragons except the great Eagles.
VardaValar1 (6:11:09 PM): The fell beasts?
ArathornValar (6:11:16 PM): actually mine is from a sunburn from cycling this
week... itchy.. my nose may end up looking like Michael Jackson's if the Aloe
Vera doesn't help <chuckle>
Orodreth V (6:11:19 PM): So I hold firm to my 'spirit/what have you' from the
Orodreth V (6:11:41 PM): I meant a creature crated by Eru/Yavanna.
Orodreth V (6:11:44 PM): *created
ArathornValar (6:11:49 PM): er.. Monoliths? thought 2001 was over <snicker>
Orodreth V (6:11:59 PM): Ehh?
VardaValar1 (6:12:00 PM): Monoliths mutated
Orodreth V (6:12:09 PM): You seeing things again, Arathorn?
ArathornValar (6:12:13 PM): watch out for the monkeys
Orodreth V (6:12:14 PM): Or did I miss something?
VardaValar1 (6:12:19 PM): Orodreth, sorry lost track. You mean dragons from the
ArathornValar (6:12:20 PM): movie reference
Orodreth V (6:12:37 PM): I read the book. :-)
Orodreth V (6:12:39 PM): Yes.
VardaValar1 (6:12:39 PM): We're talking about a movie, 2001, monoliths forced
jumps in evolution
ArathornValar (6:12:43 PM): hmmm could they be corrupted eagles then?
Orodreth V (6:12:59 PM): I don't think so. The Great Eagles were sent by Manwe.
VardaValar1 (6:13:06 PM): A small creature can be bred up larger, such as Great
Orodreth V (6:13:15 PM): True.
Orodreth V (6:13:24 PM): But where ever did the scales come from?
VardaValar1 (6:13:25 PM): The books actually mention dragons being bred up
VardaValar1 (6:13:31 PM): lizards?
VardaValar1 (6:13:39 PM): Komodo dragons?
VardaValar1 (6:13:47 PM): add in some Balrog?
VardaValar1 (6:13:51 PM): Doesn't say from what
Orodreth V (6:14:02 PM): Ok, so we're talking lizards, bred to immence sizes,
crossed with some huge bird?
ArathornValar (6:14:13 PM): ech,.. so dragons are flying Chuwahwahas!? that IS
Orodreth V (6:14:19 PM): Some were.
VardaValar1 (6:14:40 PM): Why not cross with balrogs?
ArathornValar (6:14:47 PM): hmm... what otehr flying creatures are mentioned?
Orodreth V (6:15:02 PM): Glaurung was the tradition eastern dragon, while
Ancalagon and smaug were the western type dragons.
ArathornValar (6:15:05 PM): do Balrogs fly, or glide?
Eonwe Valar (6:15:16 PM): neither anymore
VardaValar1 (6:15:18 PM): Had a number of flying horrors, such as shadow and
fire, others un-named, lost power of flight
Orodreth V (6:15:18 PM): Eagles, Dragons, and, uhh. Whatever the Ringwraiths
ArathornValar (6:15:24 PM): and only the western one's flew?
Orodreth V (6:15:42 PM): From what I remember of dragon mythology, yes.
Eonwe Valar (6:15:44 PM): Only the western dragons have wings if I recall
ArathornValar (6:15:44 PM): true.. what DID the Wraiths ride...
VardaValar1 (6:15:55 PM): Fell beasts
VardaValar1 (6:16:17 PM): Loosely based on Pterodactyls, I think it said in
Eonwe Valar (6:16:25 PM): See, dinosaurs :}
ArathornValar (6:16:25 PM): And why didn't they ride them sooner... would have
made getting to the shire a lot faster than on horseback as they did
VardaValar1 (6:16:27 PM): not Pterodactyls, but based on
Orodreth V (6:16:31 PM): Eastern = overgrown snakes Western = Godzilla with
Wings, to put it simply.
VardaValar1 (6:16:41 PM): They had to be fed special and bred up
Orodreth V (6:16:55 PM): Fel beasts are a wee bit more noticable then horses.
ArathornValar (6:16:56 PM): perhaps Sauron was still breedin the Pteras.. might
not have been ready yet
VardaValar1 (6:17:05 PM): Horseback let the Ringwraiths talk to locals, seem
Orodreth V (6:17:12 PM): Just by a few orders of magnitude is all.
ArathornValar (6:17:22 PM): hmm.. breeding snakes and birds.. possibly
Orodreth V (6:17:36 PM): brb
ArathornValar (6:18:35 PM): I guess.. although tough to be inconspicuous when
you're a wraith <heh>
VardaValar1 (6:18:51 PM): Handy to seem like an intimidating humanoid, maybe
ArathornValar (6:19:33 PM): hmm.. perhaps they were bats that were bred with
VardaValar1 (6:19:50 PM): Having trouble figuring how to invite people on this
AIM program, not my usual set-up
ArathornValar (6:20:29 PM): oh, btw, so Smaug wast he last of the dragons was he
Eonwe Valar (6:20:36 PM): Perhaps part of the hideousness of them was that they
were not even originally one creature bred, but that Sauron decided to dice and
Orodreth V (6:20:41 PM):
VardaValar1 (6:20:47 PM): I'll go with that, Eonwe
Orodreth V (6:20:49 PM): Generic eastern-style dragon.
Eonwe Valar (6:21:01 PM): the Northern Waste, old Angband, was where the
majority of remaining dragons lived
VardaValar1 (6:21:17 PM): No other dragons were mentioned after Smaug, that I
remember. Might have kept low
ArathornValar (6:21:34 PM): Could be .. reminds me of a 70's movie called 'The
Prophecy' .. genetic mutations galore
VardaValar1 (6:21:51 PM): Nice looking stylized dragon, thanks Orodreth
Eonwe Valar (6:21:55 PM): *remaining after the First Age
Orodreth V (6:22:18 PM): http://www.zandoria.com/images/dragon.jpg
ArathornValar (6:22:20 PM): hmm.. now when you say eastern dragons... how far
east... which area?
Orodreth V (6:22:24 PM): And there's your western style.
VardaValar1 (6:22:25 PM): Oriental
Orodreth V (6:22:35 PM): Far east. Oriental.
VardaValar1 (6:22:48 PM): lovely! Could be Smaug, all red
VardaValar1 (6:22:58 PM): I like the scenery added in
ArathornValar (6:23:20 PM): which Dragon is the 2nd supposed to be, Orodreth?
VardaValar1 (6:23:22 PM): Not east as in New York? :-)
Orodreth V (6:23:32 PM): And, as far as I know, only the Western ones had that
hand breth of fire.
Orodreth V (6:23:39 PM): *had
Orodreth V (6:23:45 PM): *handy
ArathornValar (6:23:55 PM): er.. NY.. that would be Godzilla.. circa a few years
VardaValar1 (6:23:59 PM): hehe
Orodreth V (6:24:10 PM): Ehh, none. I just did a images.google search for
ArathornValar (6:24:19 PM): ahh...
Eonwe Valar (6:24:24 PM): Godzilla,.. they say he's got to go :}
Orodreth V (6:24:25 PM): That would be Smaug of Ancalagion, though.
Orodreth V (6:24:29 PM): *or
Orodreth V (6:24:38 PM): The first would be Glaurung/Scata.
Orodreth V (6:24:40 PM): *Scatha
VardaValar1 (6:24:43 PM): Ancalagon is black, Smaug is red
Orodreth V (6:24:55 PM): General idea, here. :-)
VardaValar1 (6:25:15 PM): So the winged one would be a super-duper Smaug pic
ArathornValar (6:25:43 PM): Must be planning his attack on Laketown in that one
VardaValar1 (6:25:58 PM): Sure seems to be considering something down there!
ArathornValar (6:25:59 PM): afk... tea time...
VardaValar1 (6:26:11 PM): Almost supper time here
VardaValar1 (6:26:27 PM): Luckily our Eowyn cooks better than the one in the
VardaValar1 (6:26:39 PM): Ellie Mae might cook better... ;-)
VardaValar1 (6:27:16 PM): Now we need to get the artists in the guild to make
some pics for us
VardaValar1 (6:27:26 PM): We have some talented folk
Eonwe Valar (6:27:56 PM): Could use some great pics of the Valar, hint hint :}
Orodreth V (6:28:09 PM): Then I need to go cross-universe and get a Dark Archon
to "convince" them to help with Elvondel as well. ;-)
VardaValar1 (6:28:11 PM): I found a few more Valar pics for the Encyc
VardaValar1 (6:28:22 PM): a while back
ArathornValar (6:28:24 PM): <Arathorn sidles back into meeting room, tea in
VardaValar1 (6:28:48 PM): *passes hot biscuits with butter and honey*
Orodreth V (6:28:52 PM): Here's smaug:
Orodreth V (6:28:53 PM): http://www.herrderringe-net.de/kalender/3/smaug.jpg
VardaValar1 (6:29:06 PM): dramatic!
ArathornValar (6:29:17 PM): I won't bother offering any of my "stick" pictures
VardaValar1 (6:29:19 PM): He's going to melt some of his gold if he isn't
VardaValar1 (6:29:22 PM): aww
MyLifeForAuir72 (6:29:28 PM): Dwarves: he is melting all the gold!, NOOO!
VardaValar1 (6:29:30 PM): Eowyn and I loved your stick pics!
MyLifeForAuir72 (6:29:34 PM): doh, varda beat me to it!
VardaValar1 (6:29:37 PM): hehe, Paladin
ArathornValar (6:30:25 PM): heh.. I just watched the Hobbit cartoon on tape
yesterday <chuckle> how apropo
Orodreth V (6:30:29 PM): http://ring-lord.tripod.com/Howe/glaurung.jpg
Orodreth V (6:30:49 PM): There's Galurung depicited as really an oversize komodo
Orodreth V (6:31:07 PM): Looking for a more snakish picture of him.
ArathornValar (6:31:07 PM): heh.. I used to do a stick cartoon about P.I. .. was
inane as you can imagine
VardaValar1 (6:31:17 PM): ahh, in the one with Smaug, it comes from a mass of
pics for the Tolkien calendars, very nice!
Orodreth V (6:31:22 PM): I can't draw stick figures, quit making fun of me. :-P
VardaValar1 (6:31:25 PM): hehe
VardaValar1 (6:31:45 PM): starts in 1975
VardaValar1 (6:32:06 PM): So now you're going to do a LotR stick pic cartoon?
Orodreth V (6:32:29 PM): Wow.
Orodreth V (6:32:43 PM): If you do a images.google search for glaurung..
Orodreth V (6:32:59 PM): The same pics are on alot of sites.
ArathornValar (6:33:03 PM): Don't tempt me Varda... be careful what you ask for
VardaValar1 (6:33:08 PM): That calendar page had more on Smaug
Orodreth V (6:33:08 PM): I would hope they give credit.
VardaValar1 (6:33:13 PM): Go for it, Arathorn :-)
Eonwe Valar (6:33:35 PM): ok, everyone cheer on Arathorn :}
VardaValar1 (6:33:36 PM): That's why I have to re-do our Caves gallery of art,
have to give credit
Orodreth V (6:33:50 PM): Go, go, gooooooo Arathorn!
MyLifeForAuir72 (6:33:54 PM): *cheers for arathorn*
VardaValar1 (6:33:58 PM): http://www.herrderringe-net.de/kalender/1/smaug.jpg
Orodreth V (6:34:16 PM): Yes.. there's only 4 or 5 different pictures for
Glaurung..all done on 20 sites.
VardaValar1 (6:34:18 PM): Be sure to put your name on your art or cartoons, to
be sure to get credit when swiped
ArathornValar (6:34:25 PM): The Pellenor fields battle might end up looking like
someone dropped a trayfull of matchbooks <chuckle>
VardaValar1 (6:34:29 PM): hehe
Orodreth V (6:34:37 PM): Kinda sad. :-\
VardaValar1 (6:34:46 PM): Aye
VardaValar1 (6:35:09 PM): So if we do any drawings, we can expect them to be
picked up. Might as well turn them into free ads ;-)
ArathornValar (6:35:13 PM): what, the battle or losing all those matches? ;-)
Orodreth V (6:35:28 PM): Ehh..both?
Orodreth V (6:35:30 PM): ;-)
VardaValar1 (6:35:37 PM): Pick up all the matchsticks and make new pics
Orodreth V (6:35:49 PM): I sure there was a topic back up there.
Orodreth V (6:35:51 PM): /me shrugs
VardaValar1 (6:36:01 PM): Turned into a dragon topic : )
VardaValar1 (6:36:10 PM): breeding monsters
ArathornValar (6:36:23 PM): Actually I've been thinking about resurrecting my
stick-world with a new strip called "Zippy the Pinhead"... would be pins instead
of sticks tho... need to evolve don't I :-P
VardaValar1 (6:36:35 PM): Fancier pins?
VardaValar1 (6:36:58 PM): Got me looking through those calendar pics now!
VardaValar1 (6:37:02 PM): tons of them
Orodreth V (6:37:04 PM): Well sorr-y!
MyLifeForAuir72 (6:37:09 PM): pins made of mithril!
ArathornValar (6:37:13 PM): ha!
Orodreth V (6:37:24 PM): Excuse me for stumbling on a horde of uber-cool
ArathornValar (6:37:24 PM): There's the tie-in to Tolkien!
VardaValar1 (6:37:58 PM): sorry? Having a good time :-)
ArathornValar (6:38:02 PM): "Zippy the Mithril Pinhead"... hmm... now what race
might he be.. ,snicker>
VardaValar1 (6:38:19 PM): Depends on the race of whom you ask : )
MyLifeForAuir72 (6:39:00 PM): yeah, probably not dwarves
ArathornValar (6:39:04 PM): well, thin for sure.. tall and thin.. perhaps a
ArathornValar (6:39:17 PM): being a 'pinhead' and all
VardaValar1 (6:39:19 PM): the calendars came from Rolozo's site, our main pic
site for Encyc
VardaValar1 (6:39:39 PM): pinhead, doesn't mean body isn't stout : )
MyLifeForAuir72 (6:39:50 PM): dwarves: come on zippy, the mess hall is this way
ArathornValar (6:39:50 PM): I've seen that picture of Smaug melting the gold
before.. is it in the book?
VardaValar1 (6:39:52 PM): Elf who sings off-key?
VardaValar1 (6:40:02 PM): calendar pic by Hildebrandt
MyLifeForAuir72 (6:40:04 PM): Zippy: ummm, doesnt that say forge though......
Orodreth V (6:40:35 PM): A reverse of the Japeneese comic style wit the big
heads and tiny bodys?
Orodreth V (6:40:44 PM): Big body, tiiiiiny head?
ArathornValar (6:40:52 PM): not necessarily.. but he might have a friend that's
a key...! Tall and tinny
VardaValar1 (6:41:00 PM): http://www.herrderringe-net.de/kalender/6/battle.jpg
VardaValar1 (6:41:11 PM): Another dragon pic from the calendars
Orodreth V (6:41:20 PM): Wo.
Orodreth V (6:41:23 PM): wow.
Orodreth V (6:41:30 PM): All I have to say is.. wow.
ArathornValar (6:41:34 PM): er... which battle is that?
ArathornValar (6:41:39 PM): very nice
MyLifeForAuir72 (6:41:42 PM): sucks to be humans in that pic
ArathornValar (6:41:52 PM): indeed...
Orodreth V (6:41:57 PM): Whoever drew that better be professional..
VardaValar1 (6:42:14 PM): The calendar pic to the right of it is definitely for
VardaValar1 (6:42:17 PM): Want the link?
ArathornValar (6:42:19 PM): no, sticks or pins there <heh>
MyLifeForAuir72 (6:42:42 PM): yeah
VardaValar1 (6:42:54 PM): Beren sees Luthien:
VardaValar1 (6:42:56 PM):
ArathornValar (6:42:59 PM): who's that in the top left... some gargoyle type..?
Orodreth V (6:43:11 PM): /me laughs
Orodreth V (6:43:15 PM): I see what you mean.
VardaValar1 (6:43:20 PM): 1981 calendars
ArathornValar (6:43:51 PM): hmm.. a tad risque <chuckle>
VardaValar1 (6:44:00 PM): Here
VardaValar1 (6:44:08 PM): is Glaurung after Turin
VardaValar1 (6:44:11 PM): http://www.herrderringe-net.de/kalender/7/glaurung.jpg
VardaValar1 (6:44:37 PM): I've seen some less allowable for me to type ;-)
ArathornValar (6:44:43 PM): looks alligatorish
VardaValar1 (6:44:56 PM): true, might help answer question of origin : )
ArathornValar (6:45:25 PM): ahem.. I can research for those for you as an aside
VardaValar1 (6:45:28 PM): Here's the main calendar page for future perusal, tons
VardaValar1 (6:45:32 PM): http://www.herrderringe-net.de/kalender/kalender.php3
VardaValar1 (6:45:35 PM): hehe, thanks
ArathornValar (6:46:11 PM): eep.. flying crocodiles.. neevr really thought of
VardaValar1 (6:46:14 PM): I have sometimes wondered just how far our site should
go in ratings, if they are clearly labeled
VardaValar1 (6:46:26 PM): Flying snakes in S. America, why not crocs?
Orodreth V (6:46:32 PM): http://www.herrderringe-net.de/kalender/4/pillars.jpg
Orodreth V (6:46:37 PM): Now THAT is cool.
VardaValar1 (6:46:43 PM): Lovely!
Orodreth V (6:47:02 PM): What I wouldn't give to take a little boat down that..
VardaValar1 (6:47:38 PM): Here's one that remembers Galadriel has golden hair
and Celeborn silver, with Orodreth's boat:
VardaValar1 (6:47:41 PM):
ArathornValar (6:47:59 PM): heh.. the one with Smeagol and Bilbo... looks like
he's boring the poor hobbit to tears
ArathornValar (6:48:08 PM): http://www.herrderringe-net.de/kalender/1/riddle.jpg
VardaValar1 (6:48:27 PM): I like this one too:
VardaValar1 (6:48:29 PM): http://www.herrderringe-net.de/kalender/6/meeting.jpg
VardaValar1 (6:48:52 PM): hmm - maybe more like he's taken aback by the riddler
ArathornValar (6:49:10 PM): flying snakes?? first I've heard of that... no
wonder Indiana Jones never went southwards <chuckle>
MyLifeForAuir72 (6:49:24 PM):
MyLifeForAuir72 (6:49:36 PM): smaug just on rampage
VardaValar1 (6:49:42 PM): No 1983? aww
VardaValar1 (6:49:50 PM): Poor Indy : )
MyLifeForAuir72 (6:49:55 PM): your telling me, i was born in 83 :-(
ArathornValar (6:50:04 PM): ahh.. celeborn with long hair.. interesting
VardaValar1 (6:50:15 PM): aww
VardaValar1 (6:50:25 PM): Good to have a bow in Middle-earth
Orodreth V (6:51:09 PM): What I assume is my birth-month pic.
Orodreth V (6:51:10 PM): http://www.herrderringe-net.de/kalender/14/luthien.jpg
ArathornValar (6:51:18 PM): hmm.. .thrush looks raven-like
VardaValar1 (6:51:23 PM): Here's a black-haired Legolas:
VardaValar1 (6:51:25 PM): http://www.herrderringe-net.de/kalender/9/legolas.jpg
Orodreth V (6:51:26 PM): Ehh, there's worse.
Orodreth V (6:51:33 PM): (To my pic)
VardaValar1 (6:51:35 PM): Looked like a raven to me too : )
VardaValar1 (6:51:59 PM): That one remembered she wore a blue dress : )
ArathornValar (6:52:09 PM): hmm.. why behind the rock?
ArathornValar (6:52:37 PM): In the movie he'd be perched on top of it blonde
hair flowing <chuckle>
VardaValar1 (6:52:39 PM): Maybe popped out from behind it and plans to duck
VardaValar1 (6:53:00 PM): I go with the blonde hair since his father had blonde
VardaValar1 (6:53:18 PM): The same actor could have done black hair as he did in
Troy if they wanted
MyLifeForAuir72 (6:53:42 PM):
Orodreth V (6:53:45 PM):
Orodreth V (6:53:48 PM): That's cool.
MyLifeForAuir72 (6:53:50 PM): a good pic of the fell beasts
VardaValar1 (6:54:15 PM): Ahh - we used that nazgul pic on the guild index page
a while back, very atmospheric
Orodreth V (6:54:21 PM): Ooo. Remind me to never take a Maia's vanity jewerly.
VardaValar1 (6:54:56 PM): Gandalf warming up the snow there
ArathornValar (6:55:24 PM): Well, time to have a bite of supper... Afk and
Namarie for those that leave while I'm gone!
VardaValar1 (6:55:25 PM): nice one of him fighting the balrog
VardaValar1 (6:55:29 PM): Namarie!
Eonwe Valar (6:55:33 PM): enjoy :}
Orodreth V (6:55:35 PM): Namarie
VardaValar1 (6:55:38 PM): I'll be doing the same shortly
Orodreth V (6:55:41 PM): http://www.herrderringe-net.de/kalender/24/end3age.jpg
Orodreth V (6:55:53 PM): I never thought the Eagles were THAT big..
MyLifeForAuir72 (6:55:55 PM): Namarie
VardaValar1 (6:55:59 PM): Anyone saving this meeting?
Orodreth V (6:56:07 PM): I got it.
ArathornValar (6:56:10 PM): just did <g>
Eonwe Valar (6:56:12 PM): me :}
VardaValar1 (6:56:17 PM): wow! major eagle! love it
VardaValar1 (6:56:20 PM): Thanks guys!
Orodreth V (6:56:27 PM): I'll pop the log off the old ones if you want it now.
Eonwe Valar (6:56:33 PM): gotta be Gwaihir :}
VardaValar1 (6:56:36 PM): I won't be able to get it for a while
VardaValar1 (6:56:40 PM): No doubt :-)
Orodreth V (6:56:42 PM): Ok.
VardaValar1 (6:56:51 PM): I'll figure a way to work it out
Orodreth V (6:56:52 PM): General chaos in there as well.
VardaValar1 (6:57:10 PM): Probably download from the net to the secondary comp
and wrestle it around
VardaValar1 (6:57:29 PM): hope to remember not to save over it after switching
Orodreth V (6:57:44 PM):
VardaValar1 (6:57:46 PM): Meteor strike, looks like : )
Orodreth V (6:57:49 PM): Another big eagle.
VardaValar1 (6:57:57 PM): wow! for sure!
VardaValar1 (6:58:47 PM): back to dragons - Glauring again:
VardaValar1 (6:58:49 PM): http://www.herrderringe-net.de/kalender/9/glaurung.jpg
Orodreth V (6:58:50 PM): I want THAT as my ride to school.
VardaValar1 (6:58:53 PM): hehe
Orodreth V (6:59:00 PM): Traffic jams? I laugh at you!
VardaValar1 (6:59:23 PM): That's how my brother feels when flying : )
MyLifeForAuir72 (6:59:34 PM): heh
Orodreth V (6:59:36 PM): Heh.
VardaValar1 (6:59:44 PM): Got to see him yesterday, was great
VardaValar1 (6:59:51 PM): We talked ourselves silly : )
Orodreth V (7:00:01 PM): Why does everyone but me think that Glaurung was an
overgrown Komodo Dragon?
Orodreth V (7:00:16 PM): I view him as snake... like Scatha.
Orodreth V (7:00:21 PM): brb
Eonwe Valar (7:00:41 PM): I see Glaurung as a giant wingless dragon
VardaValar1 (7:00:41 PM): could be worm-like : )
Eonwe Valar (7:00:59 PM): 4 legs
VardaValar1 (7:01:05 PM): aye
Eonwe Valar (7:01:14 PM): and it's probably because of his description in the
MyLifeForAuir72 (7:01:14 PM): well, i don't really like the wingless dragon
look, i like dragons that look like smaug
VardaValar1 (7:01:15 PM): oops, have to go for dinner
Eonwe Valar (7:01:36 PM): well, there were at least 3 types of dragons
:wingless, cold-drakes, and fire-drakes
VardaValar1 (7:01:36 PM): Many types of dragon makes for interesting art
VardaValar1 (7:01:39 PM): aye
VardaValar1 (7:01:47 PM): Namarie for now!
Eonwe Valar (7:01:51 PM): enjoy :}
MyLifeForAuir72 (7:01:51 PM): Namarie
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Orodreth V (7:02:18 PM): Back.
Orodreth V (7:02:28 PM): I like both types, really.
Orodreth V (7:02:55 PM): But the wingless/worm types (no legs) can have seom
really cool things done with them in art. :-)
MyLifeForAuir72 (7:03:20 PM): yeah, I just really like the dragons with wings,
four legs the best
MyLifeForAuir72 (7:04:12 PM):
MyLifeForAuir72 (7:04:27 PM): there is a good pic (and a shirt i own by the way
Orodreth V (7:04:34 PM): Wow.
Orodreth V (7:04:35 PM): Coolness.
MyLifeForAuir72 (7:05:00 PM): hmm, going afk for a couple mins
MyLifeForAuir72 (7:05:07 PM): phone
Eonwe Valar (7:08:29 PM): Well, guess i'll head out as well :"}
Eonwe Valar (7:08:33 PM): take care :}
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Orodreth V (7:09:14 PM): Things like this:
MyLifeForAuir72 (7:10:04 PM): back
MyLifeForAuir72 (7:10:26 PM): hmmm, that ones okay
Orodreth V (7:10:39 PM): You want to get WoS set up?
MyLifeForAuir72 (7:10:51 PM): need to get on my other comp here
MyLifeForAuir72 (7:10:57 PM): brb
MyLifeForAuir72 (7:11:19 PM): or not
MyLifeForAuir72 (7:11:23 PM): phone again
MyLifeForAuir72 (7:15:03 PM): alright then
MyLifeForAuir72 (7:15:10 PM): now im gonna switch over to the other comp
MyLifeForAuir72 (7:15:14 PM): brb
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