Valar Guild

March 21, 2004 Meeting

AIM: Valar Guild Meetingplace
5pm EST, 22:00 GMT
"Pre-meeting meeting"
Official start
New members Tolkien-only
Manik Raina-(TV)
Turgon was sighted on MSN, but still has no power.
Tolkien Encyclopedia:
Poetry - 2 new ones from Manik
Story site - totally re-done
Maps - T.J.'s map site added
Quotes - help needed after disaster hit site
Games Page:
D2X-Middle-earth mod Uniques
D2X Ladder page dressed up a bit
Henneth Annun fanfic site
Movie Mistakes
MeO RP in our forum going strong. Can still use regulars
WoW Beta out
Half-Life 2
How movie popularity affected the Tolkien community by Maglor

Varda's AIM crashed, but needed to leave anyway.
Transcript from Maglor-(V):
You have just entered room "Valar Guild Meetingplace."
MaglorV: Aiya
ArPharazonV: Aiya
MaglorV: How are you?
ArPharazonV: Nan mara
ArPharazonV: and you?
MaglorV: I'm doing pretty good
ArPharazonV: good for you
MaglorV: :-)
ArPharazonV: :-)
ArPharazonV: shall we hold a mini-meeting in prep for the real thing? :-D
MaglorV: im trying to find time in my schedule to finish my "trilogy"
MaglorV: hehe, ok
ArPharazonV: Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo
ArPharazonV: Any membership news?
MaglorV: nope
ArPharazonV: Turgon went online a few days ago, contacted me in MSN, but I was playing War3, and did not discover it until he was offline again...
MaglorV: not that i know of
ArPharazonV: haven't heard from him since
MaglorV: ahh, yeah
ArPharazonV: but hey, it's a bit membership
ArPharazonV: nothing else you know of?
ArPharazonV: On to web news then
MaglorV: ok
ArPharazonV: well, it looks like we got another poem on the Guild site, by Manik Raina-(TV)
ArPharazonV: Also, a new site discovered:
ArPharazonV: Tolkien Fanfic and essays.
ArPharazonV: Besides that, I discovered a few pages with movie mistakes, could be good to have in the humor links or something
MaglorV: Also the Story page for the Valar Guild's Tolkien Encyclopedia has been revamped. Each story has its own page.Each author has his or her own listing.Stories are also listed by title and characters.
ArPharazonV: And that we have too.
ArPharazonV: Oh wait... membership news... T.J.-(TV), new Tolkien-only member
ArPharazonV: with his map site, Carte de la Terre du Milieu
MaglorV: Welcome and Almién!
MaglorV: :-)
ArPharazonV: :-)
MaglorV: this is funny...
ArPharazonV: And, let's not forget the forum RPG, MEO
ArPharazonV: including Varda, Arathorn, Eonwe, Elatan, and myself
ArPharazonV: any other web news?
MaglorV: nope
ArPharazonV: ok, gaming news
ArPharazonV: A new look to the DX2 ladder page
ArPharazonV: And let's not forget the best Blizzard news in a long time: THE BETA!!!!!!!
MaglorV: w00t
MaglorV: :-D
ArPharazonV: need we go into detail on any of the topics above?
ArPharazonV: or shall we leave the details for the main meeting?
MaglorV: i dont think so, fairly self explanitory
ArPharazonV: well, I'd say we can go to Tolkien then... any topics?
MaglorV: umm, I had one... then i lost it
ArPharazonV: sounds familiar :-)
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ArPharazonV: Aiya
Good Times695: Aiya
ArPharazonV: how are you?
ArPharazonV: and who are you?
Good Times695: im fine and im Caranthir
ArPharazonV: oh ok
ArPharazonV: hi Caranthir
Good Times695: hello
Good Times695: so am i early or something?\
ArPharazonV: I think so
Eonwe Valar has entered the room.
ArPharazonV: we just held a pre-meeting-meeting :-)
ArPharazonV: Aiya Eonwe!
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VardaValar1 has entered the room.
MaglorV: Aiya
VardaValar1: Aiya!
ArPharazonV: Aiya
Good Times695: Aiya
VardaValar1: I'll brb
ArPharazonV: me too, posting something for the rpg...
Eonwe Valar: Hey all :}
Good Times695: brb
Good Times695 has left the room.
VardaValar1: I just tried to post also, hope it went through
VardaValar1: Something about too many connections to the server
MoriFinwe has entered the room.
Xseanzee disco has entered the room.
GwaihirValar has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya
ArPharazonV: Oh wait, I'll try to see if your post contradicts mine... nobody post until I'm done from here, ok? ;-)
VardaValar1: hehe
VardaValar1: ok
VardaValar1: If you killed him, that could be a contradiction ;-)
musics4me2 has entered the room.
musics4me2: Aiya
HuanofValar has entered the room.
Gamatzgamatz has entered the room.
ArPharazonV: oh yes, I will have to change my post radically... oh well
VardaValar1: Aiya
Gamatzgamatz: hello
ArPharazonV: first come, first post...
VardaValar1: hey, maybe I should change mine
ArPharazonV: don't bother
Gamatzgamatz: i think i should change my sn...
ArPharazonV: I'm full of ideas
Orodreth V has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Your post might be more interesting, we'll go for the most fun one ;-)
Gamatzgamatz: hi all, i am thranduil
suilenroc01 has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Heya heya
ElatanValar has entered the room.
Orodreth V: Aiya all.
ElatanValar: Evening all
VardaValar1: Hello!
Eonwe Valar: Btw, for those contributing to the MEO tale,.. The map "Wilderland" in the Hobbit works just fine for what we're talking about
ArPharazonV: neh, I'll change it now... hadn't posted it yet
Eonwe Valar: heya Elatan :}
VardaValar1: Sounds good, both
VardaValar1: Need help with roll
VardaValar1: We have a nice group today :-)
ElatanValar: sorry about being late for testing today Varda, Eonwe but I just got home
VardaValar1: Np
VardaValar1: I just got online too
ElatanValar: if it was today that is :-)
VardaValar1: Any day we can get together works!
Orodreth V: If I dissappear it's becasue the new LS theme I just got is bad.
VardaValar1: LS?
Orodreth V: I'll try not to reboot, though.
Orodreth V: Litestep. Replacement shell for Windows.
ArPharazonV: had the dwarf already said his name?
ElatanValar: Does any of you in here have experience with a online rl chatprogram called Ventrilo ?
VardaValar1: Yes
Orodreth V: Free. And it's not nearly as bad a meory hog.
ArPharazonV: ok
VardaValar1: Er, yes about the dwarf
VardaValar1: No on Ventrilo
GwaihirValar: never heard of Ventrilo
VardaValar1: Let's finish inviting
Orodreth V: Intuition works!
ElatanValar: ok - ive been using it in games for talking but I have never tried to act as the server or installed the server program, thought someone else might had
Orodreth V: Oooo. It even has a find app.
musics4me2: I updated (most) of my website, but I lost a substantial portion of my quotes collection, so stop by and click the quotes section and on the left is a submit quote link :-)
ElatanValar: works real nice btw :-) as far as communicating from a user guys view
VardaValar1: ouch Farmer
musics4me2: Yeah, it was a huge collection, Arathorn has seen it...
ArathornValar: :-( too bad FM... hmm.. I might have backup of that quotes page... lemme check...
musics4me2: :-)
ThorondorV has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Arathorn did a lot of backups for us, huge help
ThorondorV: Heya
VardaValar1: Aiya Eagle
ElatanValar: heyas old eagle
GwaihirValar: hey Thorondor :-)
Gamatzgamatz: hi thorondor
ElatanValar: and thats the young one ;-)
ArathornValar: Ha! I do... did you want me to send teh quotes page to you FM?
VardaValar1: :-)
musics4me2: yes
GwaihirValar: heh, young comparatively speaking... but for an eagle, still not young!
GwaihirValar: :-)
VardaValar1: Way to go, Arathorn!
VardaValar1: Not sure Gelmir's coming in (ShaggyJoe)
ArathornValar: ok... it's a single .MHT file (just open it in a web browser)
musics4me2: MHT?
ArPharazonV: Ok, back
ArPharazonV: Aiya everyone
VardaValar1: Welcome back! Posted?
ElatanValar: wb
ArPharazonV: I made this the shortest post yet, for 2 reasons:
ArPharazonV: 1: I don't want to miss much of the meeting
ArPharazonV: 2: With so much interaction, long posts are getting more and more inefficient, unless we use a lot of descriptive narrative
Gamatzgamatz: is this post at meo?
ArPharazonV: yes
MeneldilValar has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Posts just need to be the length that handles what we're doing, whether long or one word. np
VardaValar1: Aiya Meneldil!
Gamatzgamatz: ooo where is it???
MeneldilValar: Aiya, all!
ArathornValar: an extention (.mht) basically a single web page file that holds all the info of a web page (graphics included).
musics4me2: it fairly standard?
MeneldilValar: Can't stay, once again -- just wanted to say hello.
ArPharazonV: cgi?board=MEORP&action=display&n um=1079655755
Orodreth V: Aia Melendil.
Orodreth V: *Aiya
VardaValar1: Thanks for coming, added you to my buddy list, Meneldil
Gamatzgamatz: thanks
Orodreth V: Oooo. MEO started?
ElatanValar: Hello Meneldil :-)
MeneldilValar: :-)
MeneldilValar: Aiya.
VardaValar1: MeO rp in our forum started
Orodreth V: I'll get in as soon as I finish up playing with this.
ThorondorV: Heya Menel
VardaValar1: We're getting together
VardaValar1: The game won't be out until the end of the year
Gamatzgamatz: did ne of u get accepted to wow beta?
ArPharazonV: 18 present, and 3 new names in my buddy list.. cool
ArPharazonV: not me, unfortunately
MaglorV: nor I
Gamatzgamatz: same here :-(
ArPharazonV: still have to wait for the European beta :-)
GwaihirValar: not as yet... don't really care all that much though lol
ArPharazonV: whose our only hope? Eonwe?
VardaValar1: Ok, let's go ahead and start formally before we finish the meeting?
ArPharazonV: *who's
VardaValar1: Probably Eonwe :-)

VardaValar1: Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo
Eonwe Valar: Still got mine crossed for getting in at some point :}
Eonwe Valar: *my fingers :}
VardaValar1: Member News:
ArPharazonV: I have a few weblinks which could be interesting... who do I IM them too for the meeting?
ArPharazonV: sorry
VardaValar1: remind me in Web news
ArPharazonV: ok

VardaValar1: Member news:
VardaValar1: We have two new Tolkien-only members this week
VardaValar1: Manik Raina-(TV), who gave us two poems already
VardaValar1: T.J.-(TV), who sent us his map site
VardaValar1: Tolkien world maps, not gaming
ElatanValar: Welcome to those :-)
VardaValar1: Any other membership news?
GwaihirValar: not as yet :-)
VardaValar1: TJ speaks French, uses a dictionary to email me. Still wanted to join!
ArPharazonV: I saw Turgon a few days ago...
VardaValar1: People never cease to amaze me
VardaValar1: Where at?
ArPharazonV: MSN
GwaihirValar: aye, he was on a little while ago
Gamatzgamatz: tolkien brings us all together...
VardaValar1: Can we drag him in?
VardaValar1: Very true!
ArPharazonV: I was playing a game of war3 at the moment, only discovered his greeting when he was offline again....
GwaihirValar: nope, he still has no power
VardaValar1: ouch, okie dokie

VardaValar1: Web News:
GwaihirValar: Tolkien brings us together... Oceans seperate us ;-)
Gamatzgamatz: true
musics4me2: And time zones!
ArPharazonV: sooo nice to live in Europe...
VardaValar1: Computers ignore oceans and bring us together anyway
ArPharazonV: time zones keep us apart then
VardaValar1: *must brag on Texas*
musics4me2: Nasty little things time zones are :P
ArPharazonV: which are so distanced because of the oceans
ArPharazonV: therefore, oceans keep us apart
GwaihirValar: *laughs* Aw well, I live in the best city in the world... whether I brag about it or not :-)
VardaValar1: Tolkien Encyclopedia: much news
VardaValar1: That was a brag ;-)
GwaihirValar: It certainly was
GwaihirValar: hence the whether :-)
VardaValar1: Poetry page:
VardaValar1: Two poems:
Orodreth V: Farmer: Would you mind setting your text to defualt instead of manual-black? Black-on-black is hard to read..
VardaValar1: both by our new Manik Raina-TV
VardaValar1: Um, I have black text on white background, not sure how to mess with it
ElatanValar: dont Varda, dont
musics4me2: Orodreth: this happen to be any better (I'm not on an official AIM client so no clue)
VardaValar1: "Downfall of Darkness Commences" from the good guys' side
VardaValar1: "The Ruinous Thoughts of the Orc Master" from the bad guys' side
VardaValar1: Story Page:
VardaValar1: The whole site is revamped
VardaValar1: This at the cost of silly things like sleeping ;-)
ArPharazonV: what exactly does 'revamp' mean literally?
GwaihirValar: redesigned
VardaValar1: Each story has it's own page
VardaValar1: Navigation redesigned
VardaValar1: Stories by author, each author with his own page
ArPharazonV: sorry, knew I said it wrong... where does the term 'vamp' or 'revamp' come from?
Gamatzgamatz: sorry guys but i gotta go to a christening sorry for leaving so early...
Gamatzgamatz: byeee and namarie
VardaValar1: Authors also getting links to Poetry and Articles
ArPharazonV: Namarie Thranduil, have fun :-)
VardaValar1: Great reason!
VardaValar1: Namarie!
Gamatzgamatz: lol thanks
Gamatzgamatz: byee
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VardaValar1: Title list
VardaValar1: Even by characters
VardaValar1: guess I'll have to learn Javascript, but so far this is straight HTML, so bear with me
VardaValar1: Map page:
VardaValar1: T.J.-(TV) sent in his entire Map site
VardaValar1: It is in several languages, including English
VardaValar1: He's working on two more languages
VardaValar1: (Still no Path!)
VardaValar1: Links Page:
VardaValar1: New fanfic site, really good one
VardaValar1: Henneth Annun
Orodreth V: I can personally reccommend that.
VardaValar1: the Henneth Annun Writers Group got together to make a super site worked on by many folk
VardaValar1: All sorts of Tolkien fiction, not just one or two characters
Xseanzee disco: i gotta get goin, Namarie all.
VardaValar1: thanks, Orodreth :-)
VardaValar1: Namarie, Gil
Xseanzee disco has left the room.
GwaihirValar: afk for a short while, dinner time
VardaValar1: D2X Ladder page dressed up a wee bit, more color
VardaValar1: Badly in need of your email update!
VardaValar1: I have been doing so much web work, haven
VardaValar1: 't been on D2X to pick up updates personally
Orodreth V: I'll be afk a bit..looking for the e-mail of the K-Gnome theme screwed up my system..took me over an hour to fix..
VardaValar1: The MeO rp is running strong right now
VardaValar1: on our forum
VardaValar1: Lurk at will
VardaValar1: It's been tougher than expected, but thanks to post editing, we are doing ok :-)
VardaValar1: Phar, you had some links?
ArPharazonV: yes
VardaValar1: Go ahead when ready
ArPharazonV: to some pages of
ArPharazonV: is for the Fellowship mistakes
ArPharazonV: for the TT
ArPharazonV: is for RotK
ArPharazonV: very cool, never knew they had so many small mistakes in them
VardaValar1: The big ones were enough ;-)
VardaValar1: But overall, I think we got our money's worth
VardaValar1: *ducks thrown tomatoes*
VardaValar1: Any other web news?
ArPharazonV: some are actually hilarious, some are a little bit whiny... like the changes of Gandalf's ponytail at a series of horse-riding shots...
ElatanValar: agreed save the silly sequenses with legolas acting like batman on a Mumakil and the dead army.
VardaValar1: heh, or the brooch switching sides when they decide to change the direction of a shot
ArPharazonV: and Legolas's quiver actually passing through the Mumakil's side in a scene
ArPharazonV: and dozens of swords switching hands
ArathornValar: ahh the wonders of CGI <sigh>
ArPharazonV: and blood disappearing and appearing
musics4me2: See, with a book you just don't get that, you get people leaving rooms without you remembering :P
VardaValar1: hehe
ElatanValar: and what I find most annoying - no one EVER says : I gotta pee, wait a minute :-)
VardaValar1: Any other web news, o web weavers?
ArPharazonV: I swear, these guys are actually spending all their time watching frame by frame...
ArPharazonV: some even admit it
ArathornValar: Added a couple of uniques to the D2X page today
VardaValar1: Do you really wnat to know when they need to go, Eonwe? :-)
VardaValar1: ah, thanks Arathorn
VardaValar1: Anyone else?
ArathornValar: Oh, Wanted to know how FM's program is going...
ArathornValar: was testing it out a bit for him few days ago
VardaValar1: How is it going, Farmer?
ElatanValar: naa but it is funny :-) hey wait up. Legolas is sitting in the bushes , anyone got an old scroll they dont use ?
ArPharazonV: we could use such parts in the RPG :-D
ArathornValar: Seems soemkeystroes are not coming out.... most are tho
ArathornValar: er.. keystrokes that is
musics4me2: It's going well... not too far. Still have to sit down and think REAL hard on the logic
VardaValar1: Arathorn, which program?
ArathornValar: A small one he sent that tests the keystrokes in windows
musics4me2: He's talking about something I threw together in 15 min for a friend of mine
musics4me2: but my above comment was about the encyc :-)
VardaValar1: Oh, reminds me, added a spot for non-web programming on the forum like you asked
musics4me2: I noticed :-)
ArathornValar: lemme know if you need moresting then, FM
ArathornValar: *testing
musics4me2: actually, yeah I could use some testing :-)
VardaValar1: What do you need us to do to test the Encyclopedia search?
VardaValar1: Just use it?
musics4me2: I just need arathorn to help me test the UI
VardaValar1: Okie dokie, I am glad to volunteer Arathorn!

VardaValar1: Gaming News:
VardaValar1: I don't have any, except for need of updates for ladder page
ArPharazonV: Oh, P.S.: those links I gave are updated every once in a while, so please, if you like them, check them now and again, instead of looking once
VardaValar1: Anyone else?
ArPharazonV: WoW BETa
VardaValar1: Thans, Phar
ArPharazonV: The Beta definitely should be mentioned
ArPharazonV: It started this week
MeneldilValar: I have a piece of interesting news too -- a good price for WC3 and Diablo Battlechests on -,-
ArPharazonV: really? still trying to find the Diablo Battlechests in stores in my area :-)
VardaValar1: We're bound to have guys in the Beta. They tend to disappear
VardaValar1: What price? And is in all areas : )
ArPharazonV: but anyway, even if nobody got in the Beta, much information is spread onto the web
MeneldilValar: WC3 + Expansion and Diablo, Diablo II + Expansion for $60.
ArPharazonV: and a whole new site is being built up, with lots of information present and coming
MoriFinwe: thats not so good :-(
MeneldilValar: That seems good to me.. so good, it made me buy it. :P
VardaValar1: So do we have anyone who wants to collect the info?
MeneldilValar: Oh, it isn't/
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MoriFinwe: i bought mine for 40
musics4me2 has entered the room.
musics4me2: **closed wrong window**
MeneldilValar: It's two chests for 60.
MoriFinwe: o well nevermind then
ArPharazonV: visit the guide for class and other gaming info
VardaValar1: (Whisper me Tolkien topics)
VardaValar1: Is anyone on to remind our buddies to drop by here?
ArPharazonV: also, this one and it's subsites hold excellent info, much renewed since the beta
MoriFinwe: im on bnet
Orodreth V: I saw D2 chest for $50 in a store. I still can't get D2, no matter how hard I try, and it's not worth the risk sneaking it past censors. :-\
ArPharazonV: does anyone know where to find Hellfire?
ElatanValar: Time for leaving. Nighty all, happy gaming or whereever you will go.
ArPharazonV: Namarie then
VardaValar1: Good night
VardaValar1: We have a person wishing tested on Bnet
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ArPharazonV: really? this guild get's bigger every day...
VardaValar1: That's why we dump around 40 a year
GwaihirValar: back
VardaValar1: Welcome back
ArPharazonV: Aiyata
GwaihirValar: Thank you :-)
VardaValar1: Any other Gaming News?
ArathornValar: Apparently...
ArathornValar: Half Life 2 is out... have to see if I can find it next month
VardaValar1: egad
VardaValar1: My kids will want it
ArathornValar: Course Turg isn't here so...
GwaihirValar: HL2? Blech... :-(
GwaihirValar: another first person shooter marring the character of computer gaming...
ArathornValar: Apparently there is supposed to be an SP version of Counter Strike too...not sure about it tho
ArathornValar: Bah! <shakes head at Gwaihir...>
GwaihirValar: Bah! *shakes head at Arathorn* foolish mortals... ;-)
ArathornValar: Depends on how you play the game
ArPharazonV: with cheats or without...
GwaihirValar: I just don't like first person shooters... lol
ArathornValar: Actually, played the NOLF2 demo... like the stealth
VardaValar1: We play the ones we like and let others play the rest, np : )
MeneldilValar: Have to go, all.. won't be able to make it at all next Sunday.. :/ Hope to play with some of you in Diablo/WC starting Friday. :D
MeneldilValar: Namarie.
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ArathornValar: You need to let your imagination flow, Gwai! Let it float like you do on your wings!
ArPharazonV: so much for a Namarie back...
VardaValar1: Any further News of any sort, suggestions, comments?
musics4me2: Yes.
GwaihirValar: I did Arathorn, that's why I don't like first person shooters... I find them too confining to my imagination
VardaValar1: Go ahead, Farmer
musics4me2: I would love for people to submit quotes to my website :-) They don't have to be tolkien related (but I have somewhat of a lack of those). and on the quotes page is a submit quotes link
VardaValar1: what is the theme of your quote page?
musics4me2: Anything, but I only have a few tolkien ones
ArPharazonV: do they require humor?
musics4me2: Nah
musics4me2: But Tolkien ones are fun to read :-)
VardaValar1: Might make a section for Tolkien and we could use it as part of our Tolkien site
ArPharazonV: Do you have the Gandalf-Frodo speech yet?
GwaihirValar: which one... they talked a lot ;-)(
VardaValar1: hehe
musics4me2: I was actually thinking of putting them into sections :-)
MoriFinwe: I gtg Namarie
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VardaValar1: We have a test to give in Bnet
ArPharazonV: about some deserving life and some deserving death... can you give it to them?
VardaValar1: But would like to start the Tolkien chat up first
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VardaValar1: The quotes could help there
VardaValar1: Also
ArPharazonV: or: A wizard is never late, he arrives precisely when he means too
VardaValar1: Maglor has a topic
VardaValar1: Maglor, could you give your topic?
MaglorV: ok
VardaValar1: I need someone to help me save the transcript
MaglorV: Wat is everyone's view on the gaining popularity of Tolkien's works?
MaglorV: i have the transcript from the start
musics4me2: I do to (Till the bridge crashes :P)
ArPharazonV: I do too
VardaValar1: The movies made a huge jump in awareness, spiking with each movie and then dropping
ArPharazonV: with 2 sentences more than Maglor :-D
musics4me2: But then you have people who think they know what they're saying but it's wrong w/ the book
VardaValar1: My fellow Yahoo Tolkien chat heads (Tolkien Senate) notice it strongly
VardaValar1: They also say the movie people are a bit of a pain : )
VardaValar1: The movie people seem more temporary
Eonwe Valar: There's a Tolkien Senate?
VardaValar1: Also, many jumps up in fanfic
VardaValar1: Just for heads of Tolkien Yahoo sites
VardaValar1: It's not very active
VardaValar1: but they made some comments relevant to this discussion, so you get them here : )
VardaValar1: What brought on your comment, Maglor?
ArPharazonV: The popularity of the movies does make more readers, doesn't it?
VardaValar1: Yes
MaglorV: The popularity among people who know nothing of the books but talk as if they know everything Tolkien
VardaValar1: I think it's good that awareness has been so increased
musics4me2: My friend saw the first movie, then read the books, then read the hobbit, then saw the other movies :-)
VardaValar1: And you bumped into this where, Maglor?
ArPharazonV: I read Lotr, the Hobbit, the Silm, Unfinished Tales, saw the movies and read the Histories, those last two things intertwined
MaglorV: everywhere, lots of people i have heard talk about it, though they only know the movies
MaglorV: bugs me a little
MaglorV: hehe
VardaValar1: You mean people you meet in real life?
MaglorV: mainly, though online as well
ArPharazonV: ignore them: they don't speak about Tolkien, just about PJ
MaglorV: haha, true
Eonwe Valar: It happens in many other aspects of interest as well :}
ArPharazonV: 'you know not of what you speak' is that a quote?
musics4me2: Yeah
Eonwe Valar: some people experience just a handful of a deep and diverse subject and automaticalyy assume themselves experts :}
VardaValar1: or encourage them to read
ArPharazonV: just need to find out who said it...
VardaValar1: As they go into withdrawal from no more movies, they need the books
ArPharazonV: 'read? why? I already know the story'
VardaValar1: I see the fanfic quality go weird as they use the movieverse
VardaValar1: hehe
VardaValar1: yeah right
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MaglorV: Tre, that is the best course of action in that case. But then you have the people who hate to read
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MaglorV: true*
Eonwe Valar: Their loss :}
VardaValar1: aiyata
ArPharazonV: I hope they go into withdrawal... the only ones remaining will be the book-readers
ArPharazonV: and before you know it, problem solved
VardaValar1: Remember when we finished the books and there were no more!!!
VardaValar1: I'm still in shock
ArPharazonV: I've already read 18, still not done...
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VardaValar1: It was long enough ago for me that there wasn't even much other fantasy
VardaValar1: The inutterable horror
ArPharazonV: ah yes, the early years of my life, when I did not know Tolkien...
MaglorV: The main thing that bugs me about the gaining popularity is that at one point being a Tolkien freak (:D) was somewhat unique. Now there are sooo many 'Tolkien' (read Jackson) freaks that its not as fun
ArPharazonV: my pre-lotr life... very vaguely in the past
VardaValar1: Book freaks are still unique, and can have good fun with PJ nuts
MaglorV: its fun among other purists, but around movie people its... argh
VardaValar1: The cross pollination can be interesting
MaglorV: hehe
ArPharazonV: thank god/Eru we all here read the books...
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ArPharazonV: Aiyata
Orodreth V: Aiya
Orodreth V: That was horribly odd.
Orodreth V: But I think I know what went wrong.
Orodreth V: /me kicks self
ArPharazonV: what? what?
MaglorV: yes, an illitarate Tolkien group would be somewhat ironic
MaglorV: lol
VardaValar1: But they should share our love of fellowship, loyalty, honor, if they like the movies
ArPharazonV: I think the movies and the books can strengthen the enjoyment of each other... depending on which you see/read first
MaglorV: yeah, they were good movies, even if the were "Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings"
MaglorV: they*
Orodreth V: Should but they don't. I've encountered a few too many legolusters in real life.. :-\
ArPharazonV: :-)
ArPharazonV: is Orodreth jealous of another elf's popularity?
ArathornValar: Yeah, I remember when I first read the Star Wars books and I... wait a sec... there WERE no Star Wars books before the movies.. nevermind... <wanders off in search of pizza...>
MaglorV: lol
Orodreth V: Jealous? I feel SORRY for him.
GwaihirValar: Orodreth... there aren't that many Legolusters...
GwaihirValar: most of them are Bloomsters
Orodreth V: You don't go to middle school.
GwaihirValar: masquerading as Legolusters
Orodreth V: Same thing according to them, unfortunatly.
Orodreth V: Which is just as bad.
ArathornValar: yeah, well those are really just teeny-boppers, Orod <chuckle>
Orodreth V: Yes, but it's annoying. :-\
ArathornValar: Guess you could say the same for the "Aragorners"...
ArPharazonV: Thankfully we men don't have that problem... 'ooh look, Liv Tyler as Arwen!'
Orodreth V: There's..what are they called..Aragornsomethings
GwaihirValar: well.... men aren't as likely to swoon... is all...
Orodreth V: Some boromirs as well.
MaglorV: yeah, thats an issue i have as well. This growing following of Elladan... as far as i know he had 0 lines in the movie. But because the actor is supposedly good looking, he is a favorite character of many.
ArPharazonV: ever met a Frodo-er?
Orodreth V: It's worse online, of course.
Orodreth V: Yes.
ArPharazonV: Elladan? was he in the movie?
GwaihirValar: I didn't think so...
MaglorV: maybe it was the other twin
GwaihirValar: I don't remember seeing either of the twins...
ArathornValar: I was just going to say... Elladan?
MaglorV: ive seen entire websites devoted to him
ArPharazonV: me neither
GwaihirValar: Elrohir and Elladan... neither were there I don't think...
MaglorV: he was in the background in the council of elrond
Orodreth V: I met a frodofancier..
ArPharazonV: furry feet, very attractive
ArathornValar: Pff.. now that's just SAD... swooning over a bit character <sigh>
ArathornValar: (Note to self... stop shaving feet...>
ArPharazonV: 'ooh, ooh, and the incredible way Sam slew those orcs... (swoon)'
ArPharazonV: 'what a hero'
MaglorV: lol
ArathornValar: "And that Shelob... what legs!" <snortle>
VardaValar1: Lot of Elladan and Elrohir fanfic
ArPharazonV: 'Didn't Gollum look sexy, only wearing a loincloth?'
VardaValar1: The fanfic characters begin to have their own followings
ArPharazonV: the Gollum Guild
ArathornValar: (Note to self... stop wearing loincloth...)
Orodreth V: Like I said it's worse online. Lookat how many entries there are for LotR here: ategoryid=202
VardaValar1: And a lot of the girls in the fanfic prefer Legolas over Bloom and Will Turner : )
ArPharazonV: 30000!
ArPharazonV: OMG
Orodreth V: Sounds great, right?
Orodreth V: IT's not.
ArathornValar: Will Turner?
ArPharazonV: more then all others combined!
Orodreth V: Look for Romance/Legolas
Orodreth V: And look at how many pages
Orodreth V: Don't read any though.
Orodreth V: We like having you sane.
GwaihirValar: we do?
GwaihirValar: I thought insanity was the goal....
musics4me2: nothing wrong with insanity...
ArathornValar: (Note to self... look up 'sane'..)
ArPharazonV: Will Turner was Bloom in Pirates of the Carribean
Orodreth V: Sane as in now-you-are-sane-here.
musics4me2: Wait, is he sane even now?
Orodreth V: Sane as in relitive to the insanity that you WOULD have. This is good insanity. That's bad insanity.
ArathornValar: ahh.. I see.
ArPharazonV: bad insanity is killing your own family and stuff like that
ArathornValar: (note to self... get pin-wheel hat fixed..)
musics4me2: I soo want one of those :-)
ArPharazonV: I've got 7 at home.. one for each day of the week
Orodreth V: 63/1028 pages is legomance
Orodreth V: and that's not counting the suff that the authors didn't catagorize
ArathornValar: hmm... didn't know you could build a mance out of lego.. go figure...
ArPharazonV: 200 is Aragorn-Arwen 'romance', isn't it?
ArathornValar: Not really much of a romance there really.. a few scenes is all <shrug>
Orodreth V: I'm willing to bet my laptop against a peice of lint that perhaps 10 of those storys have real plot..
ArPharazonV: it's not fan-fiction for nothing, isn't it?
ArPharazonV: OMG what a thunder here
ArPharazonV: thunder, rain, storm...
ArathornValar: Personally, I don't think it did much for thetory <shrug>
ArPharazonV: reminds me of Numenor... wait I was buried at that time, not there to see it...
Orodreth V: And we havn't even begun discussing that horrid, horrid work of twisted, bad insane minds called 'slash'.
ArathornValar: pah.. snowing here again past few days <bleah>
ArathornValar: *the story
VardaValar1: Actually, we have some pretty good writers doing LotR fanfic
ArathornValar: slash?
ArPharazonV: ah, I thought: thetory, is that Latin?
VardaValar1: some is really awful, some is quite good
VardaValar1: slash, same sex romance
Orodreth V: Yea.
Orodreth V: Oh, yes.
ArathornValar: Sorry... tongue got stuck in the fan there...
VardaValar1: Too many male characters, so you get slash
Orodreth V: There's some great authors doing LotR FF.
ArPharazonV: actually, slash is what I meant with Aragorn-Arwen 'romance'
GwaihirValar: I don't like the slash stuff.... but the LotR diaries were amusing
ArathornValar: how does that come out as 'slash?
Orodreth V: It's just that it ends up to be more like 5,000 good stories, and you go through 25,000 to find them. :-\
ArPharazonV: if slash is what I think it is
ArPharazonV: 1 in 5? that not a high ratio?
ArPharazonV: I'd say 1 in 50
Orodreth V: Hmm..
Orodreth V: Yea.
Orodreth V: There are quite a few.
Orodreth V: 1,000, then.
Orodreth V: 29,000 not good. That's depressing. :-\
ArPharazonV: they should make a seperation between book-fanfic and movie-fanfic
Orodreth V: And then there's songfics.
Orodreth V: /me screams in horror
ArPharazonV: then we would have a 1000-29000 ratio
VardaValar1: There are tons of types of fanfic
ArathornValar: Whooo-hooo! I won the lottery!! ... no wait.. that's my laundry list... dang... and I had everything on it too... <geumble>
Orodreth V: Is Arathorn overlyrandom today or is it just me?
musics4me2: Nah, he's normal (for him)
ArPharazonV: insane compared to the rest of us :-D
ArathornValar: eep.. you're starting to scare me Orod... close your browser! <ties Orod's hands behind his back...>
VardaValar1: Just a rambly topic :-)
ArathornValar: guess the conversation is gettign sidetracked... so is my mind
ArPharazonV: sidetracked?
ArathornValar: Indeed, Varda.
Orodreth V: erid=308213
ArPharazonV: we started a popularity discussion, and are now discussing the fanfic
Orodreth V: That's a good author. :-)
ArPharazonV: not that much sidetrack
ArPharazonV: -the loyalty and love between them, and how they seemed to find friends unlooked for along the way.
ArPharazonV: that a reference to Gollum? :-)
Orodreth V: yid=1149969 Great story.
ArathornValar: well, ambling then.
ArPharazonV: 30 chapters... wow
Orodreth V: About legolas' early years. Complete conjuration, but it's realistic (to me)
VardaValar1: Now you guys get to write some fic, the way you think it should be
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GaldorV: Heyas
VardaValar1: Send it in for the Story page :-)
VardaValar1: Aiya Galdor!
VardaValar1: Galdor is about to run his hammerdin : )
ArPharazonV: just put the page in my favo's
ArPharazonV: probably going to read it in the future
GaldorV: level 37
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musics4me2: dinner
ArPharazonV: Aiya Galdor
GaldorV: lo
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VardaValar1: dinner sounds good, back to test
Orodreth V: IT's not really PG though..more like PG-13 with a few very close to R chapters..
ArPharazonV: Aiyata
GaldorV: test ?
GaldorV: who ?
VardaValar1: Aye, the guy you saw in the channel
Orodreth V: It's rather violent at some places..
VardaValar1: Galdor, what News item?
GaldorV: oh ok i thought he was pso or something...squelched him!
GaldorV: a pic for you
GaldorV: Tolkien
VardaValar1: They're discussing fanfic :-)
GaldorV: scanning it now
VardaValar1: Can you email the URL?
VardaValar1: I also need credits
Orodreth V: History Lessons is cool though. It's set in the thrid age where Elrond's twins are taught about the First Age, and their father's involvment in it.
ArPharazonV: or send it here! I want to see it!
Orodreth V: Really cool. :-)
GaldorV: there is no url, i cut it out of the Chicago Suntimes
VardaValar1: I've seen fanfic I really enjoy
ArPharazonV: from the same author?
Orodreth V: Yes
VardaValar1: ok, need the credit along with it, would be great to see
Orodreth V: yid=1304562
ArPharazonV: nice, it has a sequel as well
ArPharazonV: history lessons... is that anything more than 'the Silm throught the eyes of Elrond'?
Orodreth V: Yup. That's Arwen and her (and her brothers of course!) learing of Glorf's arrival in ME and the Seond age revolving, once again, around Elrond.
ArPharazonV: *through
Orodreth V: Well, it goes itno much more deatil, but you could call it that I supose.
Orodreth V: But it has plot from the 3rd age.
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ArPharazonV: good
ArPharazonV: a mixture of ages
ArPharazonV: could be cool
Orodreth V: Being that it's lessons. It's a 3rd age novel about a few months (or is it less?) of the Twin's lives, interspaced with Elrond's life from the First Age.
Orodreth V: I don't totaly agree with how the author does Elven healing, but..
ArPharazonV: have you completely read it already, or are you reading it now?
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Orodreth V: Read.
ArPharazonV: Aiya
Orodreth V: Aiya
VardaValar1: Aiya Gelmir!
Shaggyjoe: oy, running a bit late, my appologies
VardaValar1: np - down to chatting about fanfic
Orodreth V: Eargly awaiting the next installment of History Lessons: II
Orodreth V: *Eagerly
Shaggyjoe: Hi everyone. I just test drove a new car, prolly get it in a month or so.
VardaValar1: this is sort of an after chat now :-)
VardaValar1: Great!
VardaValar1: Sounds exciting : )
ArPharazonV: isn't it officially still meeting?
Orodreth V: It's mostly me running on and on about fanfiction. :-)
Shaggyjoe: such as?
Orodreth V: If you want me to shut my trap, tell me..
ArPharazonV: how are you doing at War3, Oro?
ArPharazonV: level 10 yet?
Orodreth V: Havn't been playing much the past few days..doing various other things, like sleep so weirdly I usualy don't know what time it is..
Orodreth V: nope.
Orodreth V: Played like 2 games from our last AT.
ArPharazonV: I don't play much either lately... getting busier and busier in my not-pc life
VardaValar1: You might get a kick out of our MeO rpg story going on the guild forum, Orodreth
Shaggyjoe: same here
Orodreth V: Ooo, forgot that.
VardaValar1: and we can use stories, poems for our site
ArPharazonV: Come on, join.... the unexpected party member!
VardaValar1: Redid the Story site, working on Poetry site
Orodreth V: I don't mind if I do..
ArPharazonV: perhaps like a gate-guard deciding to join at the last minute!
ArPharazonV: or anything else of your choice, of course
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ArPharazonV: Aiya...ta?
GaldorV: Has Erestor been around ?
ArPharazonV: Aiyata, indeed...
ArPharazonV: haven't seen him
GaldorV: Erm...well running to level Hammerdin then, thanks ARPharazon...Namarie all.
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Shaggyjoe: people still play d2?
ArPharazonV: when I find the Battlechest :-D
GwaihirValar: a lot of people do
ArPharazonV: not that keen on buying of the web
Orodreth V: Hmm.
Orodreth V: FP? Bleh. I'm not too good at that..
musics4me2: meeting over?
ArPharazonV: guess so
Shaggyjoe: hrm
GwaihirValar: officially, yes
GwaihirValar: unofficially, no
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ArPharazonV: officially, at what point?
musics4me2: ok, emailing log to Varda :-)
ArPharazonV: Ok, Varda's gone, so indeed it's over... but since when??
ArPharazonV: I can't find such a statement anywhere
ArPharazonV: just a statement that it had been over already
Shaggyjoe: o well
GwaihirValar: about when the conversation digressed off topic so much
GwaihirValar: generally when the conversation becomes completely informal, meeting is over
Orodreth V: No one told ME to stop. :-P
GwaihirValar: lol because it doesn't matter :-)
ArPharazonV: and when was that? I still say fanfic is part of the Tolkien subject
Shaggyjoe: ive got to go
Shaggyjoe: good eve all
ArPharazonV: Namarie
GwaihirValar: cya
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