Valar Guild

March 14, 2004 Meeting

AIM: Valar Guild Meetingplace
5pm EST, 22:00 GMT

News
Meeting Begins Varda presiding
Membership:
Web:
Well of Souls: Elvondel
D2X Middle-earth mod:
Setting up the mod
Sets and Uniques pages, how to update
Morrowind mirror URL from Ar-Pharazon-V
Gaming:
Emule: speed up games, downloads
D2X M-e: Arathorn switched to this, not doing much ladder
SC/BW: Gwaihir now playing this as well as WC3 and D2X. ArPharazon in SC also.
WC3: ArPharazon won his first solo ladder game
Harbinger  
Tolkien:
LotR DVD's: RotK coming out, Easter Eggs in FotR and TT
Hobbits: origin


(4:46:25 PM) ArPharazonV has entered the room.
ArPharazonV (4:46:31 PM): Aiya
(4:47:24 PM) musics4me2 has entered the room.
ArPharazonV (4:47:30 PM): Aiya
musics4me2 (4:47:40 PM): brb, I'm gonna get on my other sn
(4:47:42 PM) musics4me2 has left the room.
(4:48:12 PM) FarmerMaggotV has entered the room.
ArPharazonV (4:48:18 PM): Aiya
FarmerMaggotV (4:48:22 PM): Aiya again :-)
ArPharazonV (4:48:26 PM): ok, Aiyata
ArPharazonV (4:48:44 PM): number 47 in my list :-)
ArPharazonV (4:49:15 PM): how long do have this name?
ArPharazonV (4:49:21 PM): *do you?
FarmerMaggotV (4:49:32 PM): whatchya mean?
ArPharazonV (4:50:05 PM): since it doesn't stand on the quick AIM list, so
you probably haven't used it here before
FarmerMaggotV (4:50:12 PM): Not here
(4:50:28 PM) V Beregond has entered the room.
ArPharazonV (4:50:30 PM): Aiya
V Beregond (4:50:34 PM): Aiya
(4:51:26 PM) VardaValar1 has entered the room.
ArPharazonV (4:51:30 PM): Aiya
VardaValar1 (4:51:33 PM): Aiya :-)
FarmerMaggotV (4:51:44 PM): Aiya Varda! :-)
V Beregond (4:51:47 PM): Aiya Varda
VardaValar1 (4:51:51 PM): Hello there
VardaValar1 (4:52:03 PM): FarmerMaggotV, have we met?
FarmerMaggotV (4:52:07 PM): yup
FarmerMaggotV (4:52:10 PM): FarmerMaggot :-)
VardaValar1 (4:52:34 PM): ah yes, Hope you don't mind the incident with
the mushrooms...
(4:52:44 PM) bnetValar has entered the room.
ArPharazonV (4:52:52 PM): Aiya bnet guys!
FarmerMaggotV (4:52:57 PM): Heh, had to search for the bridge :P
VardaValar1 (4:53:05 PM): You found it :-)
FarmerMaggotV (4:53:05 PM): There's noone online in the battle.net channel
VardaValar1 (4:53:43 PM): All three?
FarmerMaggotV (4:53:55 PM): No, just the one the bridge goes in
V Beregond (4:53:58 PM): I never go ther anymore...I don't see the point, as
I can't play :-(
VardaValar1 (4:54:06 PM): chat maybe
ArPharazonV (4:54:09 PM): cd key canceled?
(4:54:16 PM) MeneldilValar has entered the room.
ArPharazonV (4:54:23 PM): Aiya!
MeneldilValar (4:54:28 PM): Aiya. :-)
FarmerMaggotV (4:54:32 PM): Aiya Arathorn :-)
VardaValar1 (4:54:32 PM): Aiya :-)
V Beregond (4:54:39 PM): nah, just the local firewall
ArPharazonV (4:54:44 PM): ah
MeneldilValar (4:54:46 PM): In for just a couple of moments -- currently on
my break at work.
V Beregond (4:54:56 PM): which I am powerless to modify
VardaValar1 (4:54:59 PM): Thanks for dropping by
MeneldilValar (4:55:03 PM): :-)
VardaValar1 (4:55:10 PM): Anything you'd like us to bring up during the
meeting?
(4:55:26 PM) ArathornValar has entered the room.
ArPharazonV (4:55:27 PM): so, how's the life as a Guildmember to you,
Meneldil?
ArPharazonV (4:55:31 PM): Aiya
MeneldilValar (4:55:37 PM): Nope.. just wanted to say howdy and good
wishes to all.
MeneldilValar (4:55:45 PM): It's great, Arphy. :-)
ArPharazonV (4:55:52 PM): :D
V Beregond (4:55:54 PM): Melendil...were you the one who contacted me
the other day?
(4:55:55 PM) ThorondorV has entered the room.
ArPharazonV (4:56:01 PM): Aiya Thorondor
MeneldilValar (4:56:03 PM): I'm still contemplating getting D2X.
ThorondorV (4:56:03 PM): Hello all
MeneldilValar (4:56:11 PM): Hroom, I might've, Beregond.
ArathornValar (4:56:21 PM): Aiya all!
MeneldilValar (4:56:29 PM): Aiya, Arathorn.
FarmerMaggotV (4:56:30 PM): Anyone else here like interactive fiction?
ArPharazonV (4:56:30 PM): the Library guy :-)
VardaValar1 (4:56:30 PM): oops, I may have invited some to the wrong
room
V Beregond (4:56:42 PM): In that case, nice to see you again, and welcome
aboard
V Beregond (4:56:43 PM): ^_^
ArathornValar (4:56:45 PM): heh .. I'm playing a space version of
D2... called Harbinger... demo I downloaded.
MeneldilValar (4:56:49 PM): Thanks. :D
bnetValar (4:56:50 PM): Sorontar-Valar: greetings from bnet too :-)
FarmerMaggotV (4:56:53 PM): Aiya
ArPharazonV (4:57:04 PM): Aiya
(4:57:12 PM) Xseanzee disco has entered the room.
ArPharazonV (4:57:14 PM): Aiya
VardaValar1 (4:57:15 PM): Aiya
Xseanzee disco (4:57:21 PM): heyy
ArPharazonV (4:57:35 PM): what's that about interactive fiction?
MeneldilValar (4:58:10 PM): :/ The books beckon. Namarie, all.. until we
meet again.
ArPharazonV (4:58:17 PM): Namarie
(4:58:19 PM) GwaihirValar has entered the room.
VardaValar1 (4:58:21 PM): Later :-)
GwaihirValar (4:58:24 PM): hi
ArPharazonV (4:58:25 PM): may we SC some time :-)
VardaValar1 (4:58:28 PM): Aiya Windlord
ArPharazonV (4:58:31 PM): Aiya
MeneldilValar (4:58:33 PM): Indeed, Arphy.
ThorondorV (4:58:40 PM): I'm off to shower before my "neighbours" go to
bed, so afk few minutes
MeneldilValar (4:58:41 PM): I'll take you up on that. ;-)
(4:58:47 PM) MeneldilValar has left the room.
VardaValar1 (4:59:00 PM): Good to see any who can pop by :-)
GwaihirValar (4:59:13 PM): hehe
VardaValar1 (4:59:40 PM): Storm seems to have let up over, here, but I
would appreciate some people saving the trenscript to back me up!
FarmerMaggotV (4:59:53 PM): I'll be saving it if the bridge don't crash
ArPharazonV (5:00:02 PM): from the beginning of the meeting, or even so far
as this point?
ArathornValar (5:00:16 PM): have my other id here too jic :
Xseanzee disco (5:00:24 PM): omg... its like summer over here in Cali.... its
awesome
Xseanzee disco (5:00:37 PM): 80s the past week
VardaValar1 (5:00:49 PM): I can always dock it if need be, or let people use
links to go to the beginning
ArPharazonV (5:01:01 PM): Celsius??? (not European for nothing)
V Beregond (5:01:01 PM): *looks out the window* just had more snow
yesterday...outside is all white ^^;
VardaValar1 (5:01:09 PM): Warm here too, spring leaves coming into the
flowering trees already
ArPharazonV (5:01:57 PM): not much here, just a little wind when I rode
home on my bike a few hours ago
ArPharazonV (5:02:36 PM): hm... very annoying this breathmint....
VardaValar1 (5:02:38 PM): Do you see anyone else to drag in from Bnet?
I'm not on it at the moment
VardaValar1 (5:02:51 PM): Or on your AIM lists?
ArathornValar (5:03:03 PM): freezing here today... was spring
yesterday <sigh>
ArPharazonV (5:03:05 PM): lots on AIM
VardaValar1 (5:03:16 PM): Fangorn and Sauron say hi from our house
ArPharazonV (5:03:19 PM): let's see how many I can invite...
VardaValar1 (5:03:50 PM): I invited all the guild I could see, must need to
work on my list
ArPharazonV (5:04:26 PM): got four now, Huan, Orodreth, Erestor, and...
forgot again who demonichorde69 was
ArPharazonV (5:04:36 PM): in my 'invited' list
VardaValar1 (5:04:45 PM): Mablung
ArPharazonV (5:04:54 PM): ah, right
ArPharazonV (5:05:02 PM): so he wasn't here yet under another name
ArPharazonV (5:05:04 PM): good
ArPharazonV (5:05:32 PM): throrofdwarves... Arathorn right?
ArPharazonV (5:06:04 PM): who is 'sausageninja'?
VardaValar1 (5:06:23 PM): Huan is Throrof Dwarves, old name
ArPharazonV (5:06:28 PM): oh, right
ArPharazonV (5:06:35 PM): well, Huan's invited, so...
ThorondorV (5:06:38 PM): ok, back
ArPharazonV (5:06:46 PM): ToD not necessary to invite
ArPharazonV (5:07:17 PM): but who is sausageninja?
VardaValar1 (5:07:19 PM): I think sausage wanted to join, don't remember
him joining
ArPharazonV (5:07:25 PM): ah
ArathornValar (5:07:37 PM): Don't have ninja..?
Xseanzee disco (5:08:07 PM): sorry all, i gotta get goin to a st. patricks
party.
ArPharazonV (5:08:12 PM): here with a little blocnote in front of his name,
that means he's away, right?
VardaValar1 (5:08:12 PM): Sounds fun :-)
Xseanzee disco (5:08:12 PM): Namarie until next week
ArPharazonV (5:08:14 PM): Namarie
VardaValar1 (5:08:15 PM): Later
(5:08:17 PM) Xseanzee disco has left the room.
VardaValar1 (5:09:18 PM): Don't have to invite outsiders :-)
ArPharazonV (5:09:24 PM): ok
VardaValar1 (5:09:35 PM): I was trying to remember him better
(5:09:38 PM) DemonicHorde69 has entered the room.
ArPharazonV (5:09:41 PM): should I remove him from my list then, to avoid
future confusion?
ArPharazonV (5:09:42 PM): Aiya
VardaValar1 (5:10:45 PM): Arathorn, you remember?
VardaValar1 (5:10:47 PM): Aiya
VardaValar1 (5:11:25 PM): Not judging yet
ArPharazonV (5:11:37 PM): what is the status of a person who has a
greyed-out name, but still stands in the online list?
VardaValar1 (5:11:40 PM): Shall we start?
VardaValar1 (5:11:45 PM): Not available
ArathornValar (5:11:46 PM): Remember what?
VardaValar1 (5:11:59 PM): Who is sausageninja, visited before
ArathornValar (5:12:22 PM): Don't remember him... ?
ArPharazonV (5:12:22 PM): ok, so MJKeenan is not available.... that's
Oropher, right?
VardaValar1 (5:12:23 PM): Don't think he's a member
VardaValar1 (5:12:24 PM): ok
VardaValar1 (5:12:27 PM): Right, Oropher
VardaValar1 (5:12:51 PM): Let's get this show on the road :-)

VardaValar1 (5:13:03 PM): Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo
VardaValar1 (5:13:10 PM): Member News:
VardaValar1 (5:13:24 PM): Eonwe's mom is having a birthday, so he's not
here
VardaValar1 (5:13:33 PM): His other mom ;-)
ArathornValar (5:13:38 PM): heh
VardaValar1 (5:13:45 PM): Any other member news?

VardaValar1 (5:14:01 PM): Web News:
VardaValar1 (5:14:16 PM): this could be fast. I have none
ArathornValar (5:14:18 PM): Should I add your Sir id to the
Quickaim list FM?
VardaValar1 (5:14:21 PM): Any of you have web news?
FarmerMaggotV (5:14:35 PM): I'll only be on this for meetings
VardaValar1 (5:14:48 PM): That's when we need the name, aye
ArathornValar (5:14:59 PM): er... I've been thinking about ideas for
the Elvondel Web site.. not many tho <chuckle>
VardaValar1 (5:15:35 PM): Anything we actually have up on the web? :-)
ArathornValar (5:15:35 PM): so shoulld this be the only ID on the
list then (remove the musics one?)
ThorondorV (5:16:09 PM): Arathorn, about the uniq/sets page you have been
maintaining..
ArathornValar (5:16:14 PM): no (Elvondel)... he has anotehr friend
looking into it but hasn't heard back.. I was just playing
with some ideas
ArathornValar (5:16:25 PM): Yup... just added a uniwaue and set
yesterday
ThorondorV (5:16:27 PM): If I find something new, how you want the info,
email?
ArathornValar (5:16:31 PM): er... unique
ArathornValar (5:16:53 PM): best way yeah... pic and stats... just
take a snapshot of you inv.
ThorondorV (5:17:03 PM): okay
VardaValar1 (5:17:19 PM): Good question, thanks
VardaValar1 (5:17:37 PM): And we could use more stories, articles, poems,
art
;-)
VardaValar1 (5:17:47 PM): gaming reviews, tips
(5:18:02 PM) Chugin Chub has entered the room.
VardaValar1 (5:18:06 PM): Any other web news?
Chugin Chub (5:18:11 PM): hello
ArPharazonV (5:18:23 PM): well, the process leading to many many articles
from me is increasing, thanks to external factors
VardaValar1 (5:18:24 PM): aiya Thror :-)
ArPharazonV (5:18:28 PM): Aiya
VardaValar1 (5:18:44 PM): That sounds worrisome, actually, Phar
ArPharazonV (5:19:28 PM): well, as you may know, I'm planning to create a
campaign for war3 using almost every storyinfo about ME that Tolkien
ever wrote.
VardaValar1 (5:19:37 PM): ah, sounds much better :-)
ArPharazonV (5:19:51 PM): for that goal I'm rereading all the books to
create combined descriptions of characters, places etc
ArPharazonV (5:20:00 PM): so I can create good custom units
VardaValar1 (5:20:20 PM): For articles, be sure to separate those combos
to avoid confusion please
ArPharazonV (5:20:32 PM): that's not what I mean
VardaValar1 (5:20:52 PM): Had to be sure : )
ArPharazonV (5:20:55 PM): I mean, of 1 particular character or place, I will
combine all information found in seperate books
VardaValar1 (5:21:36 PM): Where they conflict, please show
ArPharazonV (5:21:51 PM): but anyway, thanks to contact with another
campaign-maker about Lotr, with whom I'm going to share tips and stuff,
my motivation to continue faster is steadily increasing
ArPharazonV (5:22:02 PM): therefore, the process is speeding up
VardaValar1 (5:22:16 PM): Great!
VardaValar1 (5:22:27 PM): Anyone we know or might get to know?
VardaValar1 (5:22:55 PM): (Please whisper Tolkien topics)
ArPharazonV (5:22:59 PM): I don't know, he's a forumuser of Warcraftiiinet,
under the name Jamoo
ArPharazonV (5:23:11 PM): could even be someone here :-)
VardaValar1 (5:23:19 PM): Happens :-)
ArPharazonV (5:25:32 PM): anyway, nothing relevant on this topic to say
anymore from my side
VardaValar1 (5:25:39 PM): Ok, thanks
ArPharazonV (5:25:39 PM): so, please continue
VardaValar1 (5:25:50 PM): army buddy just came online, back from Iraq
:-)
VardaValar1 (5:25:57 PM): Pardon, chatting on the side a bit
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VardaValar1 (5:26:55 PM): Gaming News:
VardaValar1 (5:27:09 PM): Don't forget to send in your ladder info
VardaValar1 (5:27:44 PM): You are playing your ladder guys right? :-)
VardaValar1 (5:28:12 PM): Any other gaming news?
ArathornValar (5:28:17 PM): heh.. I've abdicated and now play the
ME mod..
GwaihirValar (5:28:17 PM): I have sc!
GwaihirValar (5:28:25 PM): again lol
ArPharazonV (5:28:30 PM): cool
VardaValar1 (5:28:31 PM): Exclusively ME?
VardaValar1 (5:28:37 PM): Congrats :-)
GwaihirValar (5:28:39 PM): I got a new cd-key and I have been playing bw
a bit as well as wc3
:-)
GwaihirValar (5:29:35 PM): hmm... apparantly you can squelch yourself...
ArPharazonV (5:29:38 PM): well, Gwai, are you able to give me that
particular map of sc via bnet? not today, but somewhere in the near
future
ArathornValar (5:29:47 PM): that and soem demos I downloaded...
this new one called "Harbinger" is like a space version of
D2... teh gameplay/look and feel anyway..
ArPharazonV (5:29:55 PM): btw, I got a message I can't squelch myself
GwaihirValar (5:30:22 PM): odd... oh well... :-)
GwaihirValar (5:30:44 PM): Phara, I'll gladly try... but I don't think it'll
work... I haven't yet gotten the urge to forward ports.......
ArPharazonV (5:31:11 PM): :-)
ArPharazonV (5:31:18 PM): we will see
VardaValar1 (5:33:09 PM): Any WC3 news, other games?
VardaValar1 (5:33:20 PM): My EverQuest quit working
ArPharazonV (5:33:23 PM): won my first solo ladder game on monday!
VardaValar1 (5:33:32 PM): Congrats, Phar!
ArPharazonV (5:33:41 PM): thanks
ArPharazonV (5:34:10 PM): like humans stand a chance against night elves
:-D
GwaihirValar (5:34:29 PM): oh?
GwaihirValar (5:34:31 PM): :-)
GwaihirValar (5:34:37 PM): I'll have to prove you wrong on THAT one ;-)
ArPharazonV (5:34:45 PM): well, in my case that was so
VardaValar1 (5:34:47 PM): Ah, I hear a game coming on
GwaihirValar (5:34:50 PM): lol
ArPharazonV (5:34:54 PM): but my opponent wasn't that good :-)
VardaValar1 (5:35:00 PM): Any other gaming news?
ArPharazonV (5:35:16 PM): I crushed every attempt at an expansion with an
army of huntresses... sorry
ArathornValar (5:35:20 PM): I have somethign to mention re: the
ME mod...
ArPharazonV (5:35:20 PM): not here
VardaValar1 (5:35:27 PM): Go ahead, Arathorn
ArathornValar (5:35:45 PM): Since recently several people have
been asking about how to setup the D2X ME mod, I've
posted the instructions on the message board for
convenience.
Chugin Chub (5:35:45 PM): brb
Chugin Chub (5:35:52 PM): got to make a call
(5:35:55 PM) Chugin Chub has left the room.
ArathornValar (5:36:17 PM): If anyone still has probs give me a
shout
VardaValar1 (5:36:29 PM): Thanks, Arathorn. If you think yours is clearer
than V&K's might be good to put in the Games page, Email it to Eonwe
VardaValar1 (5:36:35 PM): including the help offer ;0
VardaValar1 (5:36:37 PM): :-)
ArPharazonV (5:36:59 PM): Hm, I'll have to see my friend again about
copying D2 + x...
VardaValar1 (5:37:07 PM): The forum sounds like a really good place
though
ArPharazonV (5:37:09 PM): I want to play that mod :-)
ArathornValar (5:37:11 PM): We should get some feedback from the
post... if it helps people we can create a page
VardaValar1 (5:37:50 PM): That would be under D2X tips, Eonwe's
problem unless he passes it to you, heh
ArathornValar (5:37:58 PM): Galdor specifically emailed me with a
plea for help... hope my email back helped... haven't heard
from him yet.
ThorondorV (5:38:21 PM): I have to restart the computer.. brb
(5:38:24 PM) ThorondorV has left the room.
ArPharazonV (5:38:30 PM): btw, has anyone here ever heard of emule?
V Beregond (5:38:42 PM): aye
VardaValar1 (5:39:02 PM): What is it, for those of who have not?
V Beregond (5:39:06 PM): server-based p2p
ArathornValar (5:39:08 PM): nope.. some sort of pack animal for
emailers? :-D
VardaValar1 (5:39:20 PM): Which game?
ArathornValar (5:39:22 PM): Tenzing Norgay, perhaps?
VardaValar1 (5:39:39 PM): Sherpa working hard, no doubt, aye
ArPharazonV (5:39:40 PM): how does it work exactly, I've heard about it
today, but I don't understand how to get it... site very confusing
ArathornValar (5:40:05 PM): p2p?
VardaValar1 (5:40:13 PM): person to person, ah
ArathornValar (5:40:22 PM): er... in what way p2p?
V Beregond (5:40:25 PM): peer to peer
ArPharazonV (5:40:34 PM): downloading and uploading stuff
ArPharazonV (5:40:41 PM): like Kazaa, for those who know that one
V Beregond (5:40:57 PM): people share what they have by routing it through
a server, which in turn yields search results
ArathornValar (5:41:02 PM): over teh net?
ArPharazonV (5:41:23 PM): but I've heard emule is a lot better than Kazaa,
but with larger files... but I don't know where or how to download it!
(5:41:30 PM) Chugin Chub has entered the room.
Chugin Chub (5:41:41 PM): back
ArPharazonV (5:41:43 PM): Aiyata
V Beregond (5:41:48 PM): this site might be of help:
http://www.emule-help.com/
ArPharazonV (5:41:57 PM): thnx
V Beregond (5:42:16 PM): Emule is generally better than kazaa, but you must
be patient...things take time ^^;
ArPharazonV (5:42:36 PM): :-) I've got time... I want quality!
VardaValar1 (5:42:38 PM): Time, I know him. He has three henchmen
(5:42:43 PM) ThorondorV has entered the room.
VardaValar1 (5:42:49 PM): Aiyata : )
ArPharazonV (5:42:50 PM): Aiyata
ThorondorV (5:42:55 PM): thanks
VardaValar1 (5:43:17 PM): Did you have more to add?
Chugin Chub (5:43:30 PM): whats aiyata?
VardaValar1 (5:43:35 PM): Welcome back
Chugin Chub (5:43:38 PM): o
Chugin Chub (5:43:41 PM): hehe
ArPharazonV (5:43:43 PM): I'll study the site tomorrow, when I have some
time
V Beregond (5:43:44 PM): search results will vary depending on the servers
you are connected to
VardaValar1 (5:43:51 PM): Looks a lot like hail, helps in remembering it
V Beregond (5:44:29 PM): as with DC, there are servers not made public, so
searching around a bit might get you into some juicy servers not listed
;-)
VardaValar1 (5:44:42 PM): DC?
ArPharazonV (5:44:43 PM): :-)
V Beregond (5:45:03 PM): Direct Connect, another p2p network
VardaValar1 (5:45:09 PM): Thanks
ArPharazonV (5:45:40 PM): thnx, I'll see about it when I have a movie to
download or something
VardaValar1 (5:45:57 PM): Are we ready for Tolkien?
V Beregond (5:46:02 PM): always ^_^
ArPharazonV (5:46:03 PM): or a few episodes of 1 of my favorite shows
VardaValar1 (5:46:04 PM): Any further news, comments?
ArPharazonV (5:46:10 PM): go go Tolkien!
VardaValar1 (5:46:14 PM): suggestions, gripes
VardaValar1 (5:46:27 PM): comments on changed colors on index
VardaValar1 (5:46:30 PM): okie dokie
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VardaValar1 (5:46:36 PM): Tolkien:
VardaValar1 (5:46:41 PM): First wanted to mention,
VardaValar1 (5:46:47 PM): on the movie DVD's
VardaValar1 (5:46:59 PM): are you familiar with the Easter eggs, hidden
clips?
VardaValar1 (5:47:10 PM): I ran across these in FotR
ArPharazonV (5:47:10 PM): they're great!
VardaValar1 (5:47:26 PM): Anyone know the ones on TT?
ArPharazonV (5:47:34 PM): yes, with Gollum
VardaValar1 (5:47:36 PM): I'd like to put the info on our web page
VardaValar1 (5:47:56 PM): Found 2 in FotR. How many in TT?
ArPharazonV (5:48:15 PM): extended or not?
VardaValar1 (5:48:22 PM): Extended, 4 disk
ArPharazonV (5:48:26 PM): extended has 2 I think
ArPharazonV (5:48:55 PM): you know how to find the easter eggs in FotR?
ArPharazonV (5:49:10 PM): 1 of the eggs in TT is found in the same way
VardaValar1 (5:49:37 PM): Yes, on FotR, will put on web page
ArPharazonV (5:49:39 PM): on the first disc
ArathornValar (5:50:14 PM): I've heard conflicting stories re:
RoTK... some say it is coming out on dvd in May, others say
will be next year or longer <?>
VardaValar1 (5:50:31 PM): 5/25/04 RotK DVD last I heard
(5:50:42 PM) V Beregond has left the room.
ArPharazonV (5:50:47 PM): the other, which is listed on this dvd easter egg
site (in Dutch, unfortunately for you) says something about the credits,
don't consider it an egg myself
VardaValar1 (5:50:51 PM): Good night, Beregond
ArathornValar (5:50:51 PM): hope so... course I want to buy the
whole set...
ArPharazonV (5:51:11 PM): I think May is the double dvd, extended
probably later
ArathornValar (5:51:20 PM): most likely
VardaValar1 (5:51:26 PM): Sounds most probable
ArPharazonV (5:51:27 PM): they've got a lot more time now, no fourth movie
before the extended has to be out
VardaValar1 (5:51:42 PM): King Kong will take PJ's time
ArathornValar (5:51:44 PM): and the super-duper extended ..well..
you get the idea...
ArPharazonV (5:51:52 PM): so indeed, perhaps, next year
VardaValar1 (5:52:03 PM): And he's trying to get set up for the Hobbit while
he still has Ian McKellan
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ArPharazonV (5:52:11 PM): super-super-mega-extended probably in a few
years :-)
VardaValar1 (5:52:26 PM): The all 3 movies extended : )
ArPharazonV (5:52:35 PM): and extended some more
VardaValar1 (5:52:47 PM): Arathorn has a topic, go ahead
ArPharazonV (5:52:57 PM): with countless of interviews, 10 audio
commentaries for each movie... sorry go ahead
ArathornValar (5:53:37 PM): Which of the Valar, if any, was
responsible for introducing hobbits into ME and when...

ArPharazonV (5:53:50 PM): hobbits were a branch of Men, right?
GwaihirValar (5:53:57 PM): I'd say that was Eru's doing...
VardaValar1 (5:54:03 PM): Mandos-(Valar), now Sam, took credit and
became patron of hobbits...
ArPharazonV (5:54:04 PM): somewhat evolutionary diverged
VardaValar1 (5:54:14 PM): Aye, hobbits were a branch of Men
ArathornValar (5:54:14 PM): Elves, dwarves, men are all mentioned
entering ME but hobbits just appear one day <g>...
speculation?
GwaihirValar (5:54:16 PM): as according to the passage in the Ainulindale....
ArathornValar (5:54:25 PM): Then why the elf ears?
GwaihirValar (5:54:25 PM): I don't have it onhand
ArPharazonV (5:54:34 PM): elf ears as a natural adaptation
VardaValar1 (5:54:45 PM): For that matter, why short? Why hairy feet?
ArPharazonV (5:54:50 PM): just like the furry feet, the short hight, and other
stuff
ArathornValar (5:55:03 PM): exactly...
ArPharazonV (5:55:12 PM): natural adaptations
ArPharazonV (5:55:19 PM): survival of the genetically fittest
VardaValar1 (5:55:21 PM): Since the ears look so good, had to add them.
The others accidentally came alon in the genetic code, hehe
VardaValar1 (5:55:58 PM): Phar, please email Easter egg instructions for TT
when you can
ArathornValar (5:56:06 PM): usually there is a reason for
evolution... indeed... why the ears of an elf, and the short
height and solid leathery feet?
ArPharazonV (5:56:11 PM): perhaps they came from the swarthy men, with
their shortness, their dark hair...
VardaValar1 (5:56:40 PM): Improved ears help spot enemies, good when
you are tiny
ArPharazonV (5:56:43 PM): well, Varda, the one I consider an easter egg is
found the same way as the fellowship easter eggs
ArPharazonV (5:56:48 PM): so I don't know what to mail
VardaValar1 (5:56:52 PM): k
ArathornValar (5:56:57 PM): Odd that they would have such feet
though... not really travellers... stuck more to home.
VardaValar1 (5:57:09 PM): They did travel
ArPharazonV (5:57:15 PM): perhaps they lacked shoe-makers for a few
thousand years
ArPharazonV (5:57:21 PM): so they got furry feet
ArPharazonV (5:57:29 PM): and now they don't need shoes anymore
VardaValar1 (5:57:29 PM): They went from the east all the way across
Rohan, as far as the Shire. Long trip
ArPharazonV (5:57:56 PM): across Rohan?
ArathornValar (5:57:58 PM): Where does it mention that they were
all the way from beyond Rohan?
VardaValar1 (5:58:01 PM): I wonder if they were in the Brown Lands, with
the entwives. They would have gotten along well
ArPharazonV (5:58:13 PM): they crossed the MM didn't they?
VardaValar1 (5:58:14 PM): It does tell about it
ArathornValar (5:58:19 PM): which book?
VardaValar1 (5:58:27 PM): The Rohirrim even had a word for it, in LotR
ArPharazonV (5:58:32 PM): and then they came to Dunland, where the
Rohirrim first met them
VardaValar1 (5:58:42 PM): Hobbits surprised they had a word for hobbits
ArPharazonV (5:58:52 PM): Holbytla
VardaValar1 (5:58:55 PM): right
VardaValar1 (5:59:07 PM): So that would be when they met the Rohirrim,
Two Towers
ArathornValar (5:59:16 PM): I'm rereading lotr right now... just
starting TT ... don't remember anything re hobbits from the
east...
VardaValar1 (5:59:18 PM): We can dig it up
ArPharazonV (5:59:29 PM): prologue Fellowship
ArathornValar (5:59:34 PM): I'll probably come across it soon
ArPharazonV (5:59:35 PM): all you need
VardaValar1 (5:59:39 PM): Note the comments about Rohan, also about
Gollum's ancestors
ArPharazonV (5:59:52 PM): and a few pieces of info in Appendix B
VardaValar1 (5:59:54 PM): the Stoors on the River
VardaValar1 (5:59:57 PM): right
ArPharazonV (6:00:07 PM): but most of all the Fellowship Prologue
ArPharazonV (6:00:19 PM): sure of that
ArPharazonV (6:00:32 PM): don't have it with me, though
ArathornValar (6:00:41 PM): Holbytla? hmmm... sounds like a type
of cabbage roll <snortle> .. in Uke it's Holybtsi.
VardaValar1 (6:01:19 PM): Called a hobbit, "Master Holbytla" :-)
ArPharazonV (6:01:34 PM): so if you're rereading Lotr, and you're already in
TT, you should have read it already in FR
ArathornValar (6:01:38 PM): hmm.. don't think hobbits would
appreciate sounding like a leafy meal <chuckle>
ArPharazonV (6:01:57 PM): they're farmers, right?
ArPharazonV (6:02:05 PM): perhaps they'd be flatterd
ArathornValar (6:02:12 PM): nothing comes to mind... hmmmm
VardaValar1 (6:02:12 PM): : )
ArPharazonV (6:02:14 PM): *flattered
ArathornValar (6:02:39 PM): not if trolls were around I'm sure :-D
VardaValar1 (6:02:57 PM): Some hobbits went to Fornost as archers, had to
do a bit of travel for that, not as bad though
VardaValar1 (6:03:19 PM): Bombadil was familiar with Muddy Feet : )
ArPharazonV (6:03:21 PM): that's a few hobbits, not really important enough
for a whole people to gain furry feet
VardaValar1 (6:03:27 PM): So that may have taken some travel
VardaValar1 (6:03:39 PM): Brandybucks, Tooks traveled some
VardaValar1 (6:03:51 PM): At one time, some traffic between Bree and the
Shire
ArPharazonV (6:04:08 PM): do the Bree hobbits have furry feet as well?
ArathornValar (6:04:10 PM): Compared to rangers that's a trot
<heh>
VardaValar1 (6:04:35 PM): That's another topic : )
ArPharazonV (6:04:37 PM): that would imply a physical 'transformation'
before the seperation, thus before the founding of the Shire
VardaValar1 (6:04:46 PM): The original Strider was a hobbit called Trotter
VardaValar1 (6:04:59 PM): I just mean hobbits traveled
ArPharazonV (6:05:19 PM): before the colonization of the Shire by the 2
brothers, which will definitely have a mention in my campaigns :-D
ArathornValar (6:05:48 PM): Nothign in teh Sil about hobbits tho...
except for the Rings of Power
ArPharazonV (6:06:03 PM): I'll just add a few details... not much available...
ArPharazonV (6:06:20 PM): but yes, Tolkien added Galadriel, Gil-Galad,
and other names into the Silm
ArPharazonV (6:06:28 PM): but no Hobbits... bit strange really
GwaihirValar (6:06:49 PM): they didn't have much of a role there...
VardaValar1 (6:06:50 PM): I would have liked to see more about the
Fellowship people. Even Gimli gets short mention
ArathornValar (6:07:00 PM): especially since they play a major role
in the WoTR ...
ArPharazonV (6:07:37 PM): now the Silm I do have here with me...
VardaValar1 (6:08:28 PM): Fire when ready, Phar
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ArathornValar (6:08:54 PM): hmm.. now Boromir had never met a
halfling until Rivendel right?
VardaValar1 (6:08:57 PM): Aiyata : )
ArPharazonV (6:09:12 PM): Bilbo is mentioned, Mithrandir (duh), Aragorn,
Saruman (also duh), Frodo... anymore mentions?
VardaValar1 (6:09:19 PM): Aye, just dreams by him and Faramir
ArPharazonV (6:09:20 PM): Aiyata
ArathornValar (6:09:25 PM): So, then there were NO hobbits out
east anymore? ALL of them went west? seems starnge
ArathornValar (6:09:28 PM): *strange
VardaValar1 (6:09:40 PM): The ones who remained might have been killed
ArPharazonV (6:09:53 PM): not all left, Smeagol was still there after the
migrations
VardaValar1 (6:09:56 PM): The Brown Lands were once a garden, then just
wiped out
ArPharazonV (6:09:58 PM): and his family
ArathornValar (6:10:02 PM): hmm... by easterlings?
VardaValar1 (6:10:28 PM): Smeagol's people had gone west of their origins,
apparently
ArathornValar (6:10:37 PM): how far east was that Phar?
ArPharazonV (6:10:57 PM): so those killings would not have been before
500 years before the end of the Third AGe
ArPharazonV (6:11:20 PM): how far east? they fished on Anduin river, so,
not too far beyond the Mountains
ArathornValar (6:11:33 PM): How old was Smeagol again when Frodo
met him?
ArPharazonV (6:11:59 PM): Smeagol had had the ring in his possession for
500 years, according to Appendix B
VardaValar1 (6:12:00 PM): did you mean Bilbo?
ArathornValar (6:12:24 PM): no I meant Frodo... didn't want to do
the math <chuckle>
VardaValar1 (6:12:35 PM): In Moria?
ArPharazonV (6:12:57 PM): hm.. where is it?
VardaValar1 (6:13:01 PM): Saw him without meeting for a while, tricky
question
ArPharazonV (6:13:16 PM): ah
ArPharazonV (6:13:30 PM): 2463 TA
ArathornValar (6:13:42 PM): Well, I guess it would really be closer
to Mordor... they never really met in Moria, but the time
diff is negligible
ArathornValar (6:14:07 PM): Oh, btw Varda, I forgot to mention re:
the ME...
VardaValar1 (6:14:07 PM): Depends on your point of view : )
ArPharazonV (6:14:19 PM): About this time Déagol the Stoor finds the One
Ring, and is murdered by Sméagol
ArathornValar (6:14:37 PM): I sent Natalia an updated version of
the ME runes (they have better properties now) and she
updated her web site :-)
VardaValar1 (6:14:55 PM): Good for you, Arathorn! :-)
ArPharazonV (6:15:22 PM): so, Gollum got the ring 2463 TA
ArathornValar (6:15:25 PM): I didn't bother putting it up for our
site since we link to her
ArPharazonV (6:15:31 PM): and in 3019 the TA ended
ArathornValar (6:15:40 PM): and she did the bulk of the work
before <chuckle>
VardaValar1 (6:15:57 PM): Some don't use her page, German scares them
off. Nice to have it in English, but you have a point
ArathornValar (6:16:59 PM): All the text for the rune properties is
in English though
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VardaValar1 (6:17:08 PM): k
VardaValar1 (6:18:18 PM): Arathorn, ArPharazon, and I are conscious, sort
of . Anyone else not in afk state?
ArPharazonV (6:18:22 PM): Gollum got the ring in 2463, and hid in the MM
in 2470, so the killings will have happened after that time
GwaihirValar (6:18:23 PM): half
GwaihirValar (6:18:37 PM): was talking on the phone with Fallun up until a
minute ago... so oculd only put partial presence in here :-)
VardaValar1 (6:18:52 PM): Have to drag her in here : )
ArathornValar (6:18:56 PM): Hmm.. ok so then hobbits are really
first mentioned in the Hobbit I imagine... chronologically of
the times he actually wrote the stories I think
GwaihirValar (6:19:03 PM): hehe, she's in bed... it's roughly 11:30 her time
:-)
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GwaihirValar (6:19:16 PM): besides... I prefered to be greedy of her time
;-)
VardaValar1 (6:19:22 PM): np : )
ArPharazonV (6:19:22 PM): definitely, Arathorn, even Gandalf was first
mentioned in the Hobbit
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Non-Tolkien chat:
FarmerMaggotV (6:19:37 PM): grr, still a character that crashes the bridge :-(
ArPharazonV (6:19:52 PM): which one? (say it in words)
VardaValar1 (6:19:54 PM): Just one, Farmer? Getting way better
ArathornValar (6:19:55 PM): heh.. only 6:30 here... time to brew up
some tea... brb...
FarmerMaggotV (6:19:56 PM): accented e
ArPharazonV (6:20:15 PM): to the left, to the right, or the circonflex?
GwaihirValar (6:20:26 PM): grave, aigu, or circomflex :-)
FarmerMaggotV (6:20:28 PM): erm, no clue, someone used it in smeagol and
deagol up above
ArPharazonV (6:20:41 PM): sorry :'(
GwaihirValar (6:20:44 PM): aigu hehe
FarmerMaggotV (6:20:54 PM): heh, I'll have to find it's ascii value so I can trap
it
ArPharazonV (6:20:55 PM): aigu, that was the word I was looking for
ArPharazonV (6:21:01 PM): so it's the one to the right
GwaihirValar (6:21:07 PM): up to the right, aye
GwaihirValar (6:21:20 PM): afk for a moment
FarmerMaggotV (6:21:20 PM): well, an hour and 22 minutes :D
ArPharazonV (6:21:30 PM): wow, I crashed the bridge... didn't think I had it
in me
VardaValar1 (6:21:49 PM): You always seemed so light on your feet
VardaValar1 (6:22:30 PM): I need to go work on supper
VardaValar1 (6:22:39 PM): Do we have any further comments, news?
VardaValar1 (6:23:10 PM): *echoing silence*
VardaValar1 (6:23:18 PM): Namarie and have fun!
ArPharazonV (6:23:19 PM): I found a new mirror of the greatest Morrowind
site ever
ArathornValar (6:23:21 PM): I think I'm tapped out... off to play
futuristic D2 demo <chortle>
ArPharazonV (6:23:29 PM): only to discover it was there for months already
VardaValar1 (6:23:39 PM): Thror wants to try the new AIM games with
anyone
ArPharazonV (6:23:41 PM): even before the old one went offline
ArPharazonV (6:24:01 PM): AIM games?
VardaValar1 (6:24:10 PM): Like to email the URL to the mirror?
FarmerMaggotV (6:24:24 PM): 233 (I need to remember that for a sec)
VardaValar1 (6:24:34 PM): New AIM has demo games he mentioned in an
aside
ArPharazonV (6:24:35 PM): http://www.uesp.net/
ArPharazonV (6:24:50 PM): for the entire Elder Scrolls Series, plus
expansions
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VardaValar1 (6:25:25 PM): Assuming my save works, I have it now
VardaValar1 (6:25:32 PM): Good night, gentle sirs
FarmerMaggotV (6:25:36 PM): night Varda
(6:25:38 PM) Orodreth V has entered the room.
(6:25:43 PM) bnetValar has entered the room.
ArPharazonV (6:25:44 PM): good :-) not too hard to remember though, if...
Namarie
FarmerMaggotV (6:25:47 PM): é!
FarmerMaggotV (6:25:51 PM): éééé!
Orodreth V (6:25:58 PM): I'm aliiiiive, aliiiiiiive.
VardaValar1 (6:25:59 PM): there you go :-)
FarmerMaggotV (6:26:00 PM): well that's fixed :-)
Orodreth V (6:26:03 PM): Aiya all. :-)
ArPharazonV (6:26:06 PM): ... if you know what the uesp stands for
VardaValar1 (6:26:08 PM): Aiya and Namarie Orodreth : )
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