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June 20, 2004 Meeting

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Before-Meeting (very long):
(from Arathorn):
(1:50:17 PM) You have just entered room "Valar Guild Meetingplace."
(3:22:32 PM) TurgonjustTurgon has entered the room.
(4:03:29 PM) Eonwe Valar has entered the room.
(4:03:35 PM) FladrifV has entered the room.
FladrifV (4:03:39 PM): aiya
(4:03:40 PM) DemonicHorde69 has entered the room.
TurgonjustTurgon (4:04:28 PM): Aiya
Eonwe Valar (4:07:42 PM): heya
Eonwe Valar (4:08:02 PM): ME mod version 1.92 out.
Eonwe Valar (4:08:34 PM): But now I've gotta sign on in yet another
system,.. too many of these these days,..
Eonwe Valar (4:10:32 PM): or I can wait a few dayas and see if they stick it
somewhere else I suppose.
(4:10:39 PM) Orodreth V has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar (4:12:45 PM): interesting,..
Eonwe Valar (4:12:53 PM): you can downgrade runes in the new version
(4:15:38 PM) FladrifV has left the room.
(4:15:50 PM) FladrifV has entered the room.
Orodreth V (4:18:02 PM): Lar. Antyone here good with WC3 map
editor?
Eonwe Valar (4:19:35 PM): I know my way around
Orodreth V (4:21:11 PM): Ok, in gameplay constants, there's a setting
for etheral attacks..
Orodreth V (4:21:55 PM): Is that for attacks that are etheral or what
happens when an entheral unit is attacked with those attacks?
Eonwe Valar (4:22:05 PM): hmm
Eonwe Valar (4:22:18 PM): one sec let me load the editor
Eonwe Valar (4:22:58 PM): Hopefully I don't need my FT cd to get all the
fancy changes in the editor
Eonwe Valar (4:25:16 PM): ok, where's "Gameplay Constants" ?
Eonwe Valar (4:25:24 PM): nm found it
Eonwe Valar (4:26:53 PM): hmm I don't see the line you're referring to
Eonwe Valar (4:27:13 PM): but thinkign about it, chances are it's for when
ethereal units are attacked
Eonwe Valar (4:27:33 PM): since last I checked, there were no "ethereal
attacks." All spells hit ethereal targets
Orodreth V (4:28:13 PM): Ok.
Orodreth V (4:28:16 PM): Thanks, Eonwe.
Eonwe Valar (4:28:19 PM): MP
Eonwe Valar (4:28:53 PM): I have to go,.. getting ready to go out to dinner
with my family for Father's Day (my dad's the father, not me :})
Eonwe Valar (4:29:18 PM): I have two pieces of news I'd like one of you to
pass on if you wouldn't mind
Eonwe Valar (4:29:34 PM): 1.)New ME mod version 1.92
Eonwe Valar (4:29:53 PM): 2.)WoW European Beta signups starting soon
Orodreth V (4:30:15 PM): Ok.
Eonwe Valar (4:30:21 PM): Thanks :}
Orodreth V (4:30:23 PM): Namarie. :-)
Eonwe Valar (4:30:30 PM): Take care :}
(4:30:45 PM) Eonwe Valar has left the room.
(4:42:11 PM) ArPharazonV has entered the room.
ArPharazonV (4:42:16 PM): Aiya
FladrifV (4:42:44 PM): Aiya
ArPharazonV (4:42:52 PM): wow, large group for this time before the
meeting
FladrifV (4:43:59 PM): :-)
ArPharazonV (4:44:54 PM): well, you will be all pleased to hear... I did NOT
fulfill my Morrowind quest today
ArPharazonV (4:45:24 PM): too much traveling, I'm now halfway to the last
councillor, to get the final vote and complete the Fourth Trial
ArPharazonV (4:45:52 PM): either tonight or tomorrow I'll finish, though, I
just know it...
ArPharazonV (4:46:48 PM): for now, however, it's getting time for the
meeting, so I closed the game :-)
FladrifV (4:47:05 PM): Advertisement: Who know's a new game for
arphara?
ArPharazonV (4:47:28 PM): what? why? It's not like I finished this one :-)
FladrifV (4:47:58 PM): you get a very narrow vision of the world
playing this game :-)
ArPharazonV (4:48:51 PM): listen... I play Morrowind, sometimes WoS, and
War3 when my pc is okay with that
ArPharazonV (4:49:17 PM): I'll try to obtain Guildwars and WoW as soon as
possible after they come out
ArPharazonV (4:49:46 PM): and there are tons of games, if you wanna play
it, in which I'll join you
ArPharazonV (4:49:58 PM): like Starcraft
FladrifV (4:50:12 PM): hehe
FladrifV (4:50:32 PM): I must say guild wars looks very prommesing
ArPharazonV (4:50:41 PM): indeed, it was a great game
ArPharazonV (4:50:54 PM): I played it a lot those few days, and actually got
pretty good at it
FladrifV (4:51:15 PM): and having no monthly fee is a huge advantage
ArPharazonV (4:51:23 PM): my Pharazon the Golden ruled...
ArPharazonV (4:51:30 PM): indeed, that's very gooed
(4:51:30 PM) ThorondorV has entered the room.
ArPharazonV (4:51:33 PM): aiya
ThorondorV (4:51:38 PM): Good evening all
ArPharazonV (4:51:56 PM): although it probably means the continuing
development won't be that great, if there even is any
FladrifV (4:52:16 PM): they want to bring expansions to the guildwars
universe
FladrifV (4:52:28 PM): that are only excesable whey you buy one
ThorondorV (4:52:29 PM): Getting some supper. brb
Orodreth V (4:52:34 PM): Isn't Guild Wars supposed to get income
through expansions?
FladrifV (4:52:52 PM): :-)
FladrifV (4:52:54 PM): yup
ArPharazonV (4:53:12 PM): well, so there will be at least a dozen
expansions?
FladrifV (4:53:25 PM): hehe
ArPharazonV (4:53:34 PM): reminds me of everquest
FladrifV (4:53:37 PM): bnet is also running for free so it is posible
ArPharazonV (4:53:45 PM): bnet, yes...
Orodreth V (4:54:00 PM): B.net dosn't do as much work as a
MMORPG server cluster.
FladrifV (4:54:15 PM): server side isn't so hard for guildwars
(4:54:25 PM) FarmerMaggotV has entered the room.
ArPharazonV (4:54:33 PM): aiya
FarmerMaggotV (4:54:36 PM): Aiya
Orodreth V (4:54:46 PM): I'd bet that all 4 of B.nets servers in a year
don't do as much work as one of Everquest's.
Orodreth V (4:54:48 PM): Aiya
FladrifV (4:54:50 PM): because most parts of the world are played
with teams
Orodreth V (4:55:02 PM): CoH-style?
Orodreth V (4:55:08 PM): Instanced dungeons?
FladrifV (4:55:23 PM): sort of
ArPharazonV (4:55:34 PM): the thread on the forums of worldofwar.net,
about the Europe WoW beta signups, has degraded into a discussion
about a Dutch 'Frikandel' Guild, btw...
ArPharazonV (4:55:58 PM): I've been participating in it as well, with a couple
of posts :-)
Orodreth V (4:56:16 PM): Nearly every thread about Blizzard related
topics degrade, Ar. :-P
ArPharazonV (4:56:17 PM): oh, btw, I learned something new about my own
language there
ArPharazonV (4:56:32 PM): I always thought it was spelled Frikandel, but it's
Frikadel
FladrifV (4:56:43 PM): yes it is
ArPharazonV (4:56:57 PM): I did not know that :-)
FladrifV (4:57:03 PM): well actualy you just need to eat those things
don't talk about them :P
Orodreth V (4:57:38 PM): Ignorance is bliss
(from Varda):
You have just entered room "Valar Guild Meetingplace."
VardaValar1: Aiya!
ArPharazonV: Aiya
VardaValar1: Had so much fun catching up reading the forum rp, nearly came late. heh
ArPharazonV: my latest post in the thread: Well, if it's settled, I'll be Appelmoes, the Troll Priest.
ArPharazonV: well, not the rp, I mean... but another thread we've been talking about
ThorondorV: back
VardaValar1: Aiyata
ArPharazonV: http://www.rpgforums.net/showthread.php?t =208541 if anybody's interested
ThorondorV: thanksthanks
ArPharazonV: aiyata, Thoro
ArPharazonV: we've also been discussing the Dutch soccer matches in the European Championships
FladrifV: the beginning or the end? :P
ArPharazonV: what's the difference? :-D
FarmerMaggotV has left the room.
FarmerMaggotV has entered the room.
ArPharazonV: aiyata
ArPharazonV: well, now I'm facing a tough decision... will my Troll priest be called Chok'llanan or Appelmoes?
VardaValar1: Hope you don't expect people to type those names : )
FladrifV: the last one is good typeable :-)
ArPharazonV: it kinda depends, how long can you make your name...
FladrifV: are ' allowed?
ArPharazonV: I hope so
ArPharazonV: I think so, for the open Alpha I made my test character, K'aos, and I believe I ended up with a character called 'aos
ArPharazonV: because the K just meant I was starting in Kalimdor....
ArPharazonV: well, open Alpha....
ArPharazonV: let's call it leaked Alpha
Orodreth V has left the room.
ArPharazonV: hm... Eonwe has posted, Arathorn has posted, Varda has posted...
ArPharazonV: Turgon wishes to remain in a coma of sorts...
ArPharazonV: I guess it's my turn once more
VardaValar1: Ok, guess I'm done pm'ing for the minute
ArathornValar has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya
ArPharazonV: Aiya, Haran
VardaValar1: : )
ArathornValar: Aiya... chatting with Farmer Maggot... lost track of time :-D
VardaValar1: Happy Father's Day!
ArPharazonV: oh, that time of the year already?
ArathornValar: er.. I'm not a father <chuckle>
VardaValar1: for everyone
VardaValar1: Probably the reason for the low turnout
VardaValar1: I would like to keep this meeting short if possible
VardaValar1: Starting now, if you guys are ready?
ArPharazonV: aww... finally a meeting I can fully be a part of...
ArPharazonV: and she wants to shorten it
VardaValar1: Good. We need you even more than usual
VardaValar1: It never works. Don't worry : )
ArPharazonV: hehe
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VardaValar1: Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo

VardaValar1: Membership News:
ArathornValar: Yeah Eonwe went out to dinner with his dad... said to pass on 2 topics.. did someone do that already?
Orodreth V has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Nope
VardaValar1: Aiyata Orodreth
Orodreth V: Aiya
VardaValar1: Khamul still hasn't been caught to say his "few words" of intro at a meeting, but maybe later : )
VardaValar1: Any other member news?
Orodreth V: Besides the fact that I am actually awake during the meeting..no.
 
VardaValar1: Web News:
VardaValar1: That is news : )
VardaValar1: Story page:
VardaValar1: Laurelin Caline has Part One up for
VardaValar1: "Arawen and Luthien"
VardaValar1: Since JRRT told very little about Aragorn's daughters, she is filling in the gap : )
VardaValar1: Forum:
VardaValar1: New Links section made by Turgon. Way to go Turgon!
VardaValar1: Any other web news?
TurgonjustTurgon: yep, small thing
VardaValar1: Go ahead, Turgon
TurgonjustTurgon: the links section is not yet entirely updated, I have gathered all the links and will put them into the links section coming week
TurgonjustTurgon: just so you know :-)
ArPharazonV: I actually cannot find the links section?
VardaValar1: Under Community
TurgonjustTurgon: its under community
ArPharazonV: ah, right, thanks
TurgonjustTurgon: I'll put up an announcement once it has been finished
TurgonjustTurgon: oh yes, before I forget
TurgonjustTurgon: special thanks to Ar-Pharazon for helping me in the arduous task of finding and collecting all the links
ArPharazonV: you're welcome :-)
TurgonjustTurgon: thats it for me :-)
VardaValar1: Farmer Maggot and Arathorn have been making progress on the Encyc search, looking good, but not done yet
VardaValar1: Thanks to the Link collectors. That's a hassle to do1
FarmerMaggotV: http://jranieri.homeip.net/~joe/mockie5. jpg http://jranieri.homeip.net/~joe/mocki e6.jpg http://jranieri.homeip.net/~joe/m ockie7.jpg If you'd like to take a look :-)
VardaValar1: Thanks for the links, Farmer
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VardaValar1: Gaming News:
VardaValar1: Arathorn has been working on the Set banks, bringing their levels up so they can use their own sets!
VardaValar1: Quite a job
VardaValar1: Arathorn also has two messages in gaming from Eonwe, who is treating his dad to dinner : )
TurgonjustTurgon: he has been doing that for all of them, including the higher level sets?
VardaValar1: Go ahead, Arathorn
VardaValar1: Includes some higher level sets, aye
FladrifV has left the room.
FladrifV has entered the room.
ArPharazonV: what happened, flad?
VardaValar1: Oops, Orodreth had the messages from Eonwe
VardaValar1: Oro, please go ahead
VardaValar1: Aiyata, Fladrif : )
ThorondorV: Time for me to go again. Adieu, friends
FladrifV: disconect
ArPharazonV: namarie
VardaValar1: Namarie, Thorondor!
ThorondorV has left the room.
VardaValar1: Thorondor raised the D2X ladder level to beat
VardaValar1: Sorry didn't mention while he was here
ArathornValar: sorry.. was afk.. then catching up...
ArPharazonV: well, I've just finished watching the latest WoW movie... it's pretty nice...
VardaValar1: Ar, one sec please
ArPharazonV: k
VardaValar1: Let's finish Eonwe's gaming news
VardaValar1: 1. New ME mod version 1.92
VardaValar1: 2. WoW European beta signups starting soon
VardaValar1: Phar, did you need to tell your news now? Go ahead
ArPharazonV: well, need is a big word... I was going for a trivial mention
VardaValar1: Then mention trivially : )
ArPharazonV: never mind, just continue... I'll bring it up again during aftermeeting
ArPharazonV: *sits back, watches the further news rolling out over the meeting floor
VardaValar1: We are in gaming news, just tell it in a couple of lines instead of a book and np : )
ArPharazonV: well, ok then
VardaValar1: While Phar is sitting back instead of typing, does anyone have any Tolkien topics?
VardaValar1: (I have to give buddy Phar problems)
ArPharazonV: last week there have been several movies released from the worldofwar.net site, the intro movies for the 8 races
ArPharazonV: I just downloaded and watched the last one, for the undead
ArPharazonV: they're kinda cool, although the music greatly obscures the storytelling, which is a shame
ArPharazonV: if anybody wants a further link, ask me...
ArPharazonV: ok, that was my news
TurgonjustTurgon: ask :-)
VardaValar1: Thanks
VardaValar1: I would like an opinion from all those in the room
VardaValar1: on the Transcripts we show on the News
VardaValar1: Do you prefer the meetings to be shown as Transcripts the way we are now, or in News summary form as before?
ArPharazonV: I love them, they come in very handy when I'm not around for the whole meeting...
VardaValar1: or just part of the meeting in Transcript form, such as the Tolkien?
ArPharazonV: the way they are now, excellent
Orodreth V: I have (most) of the transcripts anyways.
Orodreth V: For any meeting I show up at, that is.
ArathornValar: I like it as is now too... in case missed anything or want to refer back to a topic
VardaValar1: You may have them, but how do you want the News to show meetings?
Orodreth V: So news summary works fine for me.
Orodreth V: Less work for me anywho. ;-)
VardaValar1: that's 2 for transcript, 1 for summary
FarmerMaggotV: I preferred the summary
VardaValar1: out of 7 voters, heh
VardaValar1: 2 to 2
ArPharazonV: aren't transcripts easier to make, btw?
FarmerMaggotV: I don't have enough time monday morning to read the whole thing heh
VardaValar1: nope
VardaValar1: I have to go through the whole transcript and do links, bolds, underlines, etc. Work either way : )
TurgonjustTurgon: just as they are now, but only if there are important news items that they be mentioned under the meeting
ArPharazonV: they show more information, that's for sure, including the going-off topic moments...
VardaValar1: With the links, can you just look at parts you are interested in?
ArathornValar: <pretends he's someone else..and in a high squeaky voice...> "I like the detailed one"...
VardaValar1: hehe
ArPharazonV: would it not be easier just to speak using your mikenowo account, Arathorn?
VardaValar1: He knows we know he's both guys, so it doesn't really matter : )
FarmerMaggotV: I believe he has 2 computers, so it's more convient at the moment
VardaValar1: 3 for trans, 2 for summary
ArPharazonV: the other 2 seem to be afk
MadHattaMayer has entered the room.
MadHattaMayer: whoa
ArPharazonV: aiya
FarmerMaggotV: Aiya
MadHattaMayer: whats up
MadHattaMayer: all
ArPharazonV: who are you?
VardaValar1: We are voting on how to show meeting minutes
MadHattaMayer: Boromir
ArPharazonV: ah, ok
ArPharazonV: inserted in buddy list, with comment...
VardaValar1: Do we want the meeting minutes in the News as the Transcript or as a summary
VardaValar1: Currently 3 for transcript, 2 for summary
VardaValar1: Boromir, do you ever read the News? That would help you know what we are talking about
VardaValar1: I could also do a summary along with the transcript. Gets to be a lot of work, but might be what's wanted with such a close vote
VardaValar1: I was doing that for a while
VardaValar1: Orodreth has an announcement. Go ahead, Oro
MadHattaMayer: i read the news every other day
ArPharazonV: I read it daily ;-) go ahead, Oro...
ArathornValar: you could do a sunnary and just have a link to a non formatted text file detail for anyone who wants to peruse that... no work for you to put in links etc in teh detailed then
Orodreth V: I have 2 Gmail invitations availible.
VardaValar1: Would you prefer transcript or summary?
Orodreth V: Er.
Orodreth V: 6
FarmerMaggotV: I have 3 for anyone interested (Gmail invites)
ArPharazonV: yes, that's a good idea, Arathorn...
Orodreth V: I'm giving them away becasue this is honsestly obscene how many I'm getting.
ArPharazonV: what is a Gmail invitation?
VardaValar1: I prefer to make the transcript more user-friendly, but could drop that
FarmerMaggotV: yeah, I know heh. ran out of friends a while ago
Orodreth V: I need your first name, last name, and current e-mail.
VardaValar1: Google email
Orodreth V: I've got plenty of friends, but I'd rather give them to Valar Guild members.
ArPharazonV: meh... I prefer one general email-adress, easy to check daily
ArPharazonV: if I start expanding into several, I might lose my perspective
VardaValar1: I suggest thinking about it, then emailing Orodreth
VardaValar1: We have a visitor who would like to come to the meeting
Orodreth V: Alasseo@gmail.com
ArPharazonV: look, now that's a good thing to keep in the news, in the transcript :-)
mirkwood hunter has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Hello
ArPharazonV: so we can look it up if we change our mind
ArPharazonV: Aiya
VardaValar1: Any further business?
MadHattaMayer: alright well i gtg, have to leave for work,ill just leave this up and read it when i get back, namarie all
VardaValar1: Namarie Boromir
ArathornValar: er.. just wanted to mention..
VardaValar1: Go ahead, Arathorn
ArPharazonV: nam, Boro...
ArathornValar: I upped all the low level chars in teh bank to wear their sets... teh highest was Tancred at lvl 20
ArathornValar: the otehrs are WAY too high (60+)
VardaValar1: That was a lot of playing : )
ArathornValar: That would take a while
VardaValar1: With a bunch of us to play them up, could happen
ArathornValar: also gave all 32 chars a cube :D
VardaValar1: Then they'll drop the ladder, heh
VardaValar1: The cube will be a huge help on all, thanks!
ArathornValar: Sander is the next most feasible... 28 I think
ArathornValar: cube was easier with two pcs <heh> AND a lvl 70 sorc
VardaValar1: Fangorn is considering helping. He's at the computer next to mine
ArathornValar: got 2 at a time
VardaValar1: Good plan : )
ArathornValar: had a town full of cubes!! was suffocating! <jk!>
VardaValar1: hehe - poor Ara
VardaValar1: I need to work with mirkwood hunter
VardaValar1: Who would like to take the Tolkien discussion?
ArPharazonV: well, actually, before we go Tolkien...
VardaValar1: Go ahead, Phar
ArPharazonV: I've got an itsybitsy tiny yet desperate question
ArPharazonV: does anybody here know where to download the complete music tracks used in the WoW movies?
VardaValar1: Eonwe might know
ArPharazonV: usually, in the movies, they're used partially and through each other
ArPharazonV: I'm looking for the whole tracks
VardaValar1: maybe splice them?
ArPharazonV: only one is downloadable from the main WoW site, I'm looking for the rest...
ArPharazonV: splice them? how?
ArathornValar: Is there an app like in D2X where you can export the music...?
VardaValar1: They might be adding more sound tracks later
ArPharazonV: perhaps, that I hope with all my heart
ArPharazonV: I'm a great fan of the music
ArathornValar: Found one on one of the advertised Bnet sites that allows for that in d2x...
VardaValar1: mirkwood, are you there?
mirkwood hunter: yes
ArPharazonV: I've already made a post in the Worldofwar.net forums, and in the MB
ArPharazonV: both with minimal or no response
VardaValar1: I'm going to join you in our instant message to help work on setting you up in the guild
mirkwood hunter: k
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Tolkien: 
VardaValar1: Pharazon gets to lead the Tolkien discussion today : )
ArPharazonV: only reference was to that one track on the main site...
VardaValar1: Or pass it on
ArPharazonV: what? why?
ArPharazonV: oh, ok
MadHattaMayer has left the room.
VardaValar1: Because you are alive and someone has to do it
ArathornValar: <zombie Arathorn resents that remark! :-P>
ArPharazonV: well, anybody got a topic?
VardaValar1: Arathorn gets to help Phar : )
ArPharazonV: oh, right... I remember my topics I suggested last time
ArPharazonV: 1: Do Balrogs have wings?
ArathornValar: been immersed in coding all week.. mind is mush <zombie groans...>
ArPharazonV: 2: What's the origin of Orcs?
ArathornValar: ha! ... that's funny
ArPharazonV: your choice
VardaValar1: Balrogs - yes, but can't fly
ArPharazonV: or throw in one of your own
FarmerMaggotV: The orcs came from elves eh?
VardaValar1: Orcs from elves
ArPharazonV: completely from elves?
ArathornValar: Certain older guild members are sick of that topic apparently... I've never been part of it myself though
FarmerMaggotV: Quite a detailed explaination of that in one of them books heh
ArPharazonV: or were there also men involved?
ArPharazonV: if Elvish, were they captured from the waters of Awakening?
ArathornValar: Was it ever mentioend what Balrogs were actually created from?
ArPharazonV: Balrogs were Ainur, I believe
ArPharazonV: Maiar
VardaValar1: Balrogs were Maiar, aye
Orodreth V: Balrogs have no wings! >.<
ArPharazonV: ah, now we get a discussion...
Orodreth V: Shadows I say, shadows!
VardaValar1: Shadow wings : )
ArPharazonV: shadows and flame
Orodreth V: Balrogs != penguins.
ArathornValar: er... so they already existed and were just corrupted by evil then?
FarmerMaggotV: I believe it was Morgoth
FarmerMaggotV: but could be wrong heh
VardaValar1: Seduced by Melkor
ArPharazonV: wasn't Ungoliant a Maia as well?
VardaValar1: Big argument about that : )
VardaValar1: Some say a Maia, some say produced by the discord
ArathornValar: What!? Penguins don't have wings!! <sigh.. throws away his bogus penguin wing collection...>
ArPharazonV: that would mean Melkor was not the only one corrupted before the Song
ArPharazonV: perhaps some Maiar ventured into the emptiness of the Void as well
VardaValar1: Maiar chose particular Valar to follow, and he had the type of personality and power they liked from the beginning
ArathornValar: Does that mean that say, Gandalf or Saruman could in essance have become Balrogs?
ArPharazonV: for Ungoliant did not seem very allied to Melkor, so...
ArathornValar: or is a Balrog it's own entity
ArathornValar: *its
VardaValar1: A Balrog is a separate being
Orodreth V: Balrogs are not Maiar. So saeth the Oro. :-\
ArPharazonV: is that so, Oro?
ArPharazonV: what are they then?
VardaValar1: Go read the books, they say they are Maiar :-)
Orodreth V: Spirits produced by chaos.
ArathornValar: hmm.. so do Maia then have their own specific classes?
Orodreth V: Twisted forms of Maiar - the relation is like Orcs 'n' elves.
VardaValar1: Balrogs were of a fire group, like Arien
ArathornValar: but orcs in essance ARE elves... just corrupted ones..?
Orodreth V: Quite.
Orodreth V: But they are not Elves.
ArPharazonV: btw, I still say Ungoliant became evil uninfluenced by Melkor... but completely out of her own, by the same sources as Melkor
VardaValar1: Orcs were captured, tortured, mutilated, changed genetically
VardaValar1: they breed true
ArathornValar: er... isn't Gandalf keeper of the secrcet fire.. (fire group?)
Orodreth V: They're Elves only by ancient history.
VardaValar1: That's diff, Ara
VardaValar1: Elves by ancient history, well put : )
ArPharazonV: btw, if Orcs were changed genetically
ArathornValar: how are they not elves? if you corrupt something it still is what it was... just tainted
VardaValar1: Gandalf refers to the Secret Fire, Fire Imperishable, of Eru, that gives life
ArPharazonV: but not in spirit, except for their upbringing and mutilating
Orodreth V: Balrogs would be further from Maiar then Orcs could ever be from Elves becasue of their higher-being status.
VardaValar1: They breed true
ArPharazonV: would that give them eternal life?
ArathornValar: ahh.. (secret fire)
VardaValar1: It's tough to live long as an orc, but some seem to have lived a very long time
ArPharazonV: reminds me of a 'perfect' item I once made in the War3 editor
Orodreth V: Ungoliant got her evil from her serach for the Flame Imperishable, I say, which she had a hate-love relationship with:
ArPharazonV: I gave it the icon of a Fire Orb
ArPharazonV: and named it Fire of Illuvatar
ArathornValar: Is a main Orc 'leader' ever mentioned.. otehr than momentarily in the hobbit
VardaValar1: Oro, you didn't find that in the books : ) Sounds more like Melkor
Orodreth V: She hated it because it burned her becasue she was impure, but lusted after it.
VardaValar1: Sorry, trying to test over here
Orodreth V: No, but it sounds cool. >.>
ArPharazonV: indeed, I agree, Oro
ArPharazonV: she searched for the flame as well, just like Melkor
ArPharazonV: and she became corrupted by the Void she wandered in during the search
ArPharazonV: just like Melkor
ArPharazonV: she became evil, like Melkor
ArPharazonV: but not by melkor
Orodreth V: She had no ability to get it though - it's like Icarus. Can't get the sun, hate it becasue it, uh, killed him, but he sure wanted it.
Orodreth V: Horrible analolgy, but, eh.
Orodreth V: *anaology
ArPharazonV: :-)
ArPharazonV: she felt she was more powerful than the Maiar, just like Melkor was more powerful than the other Valar, I think
ArPharazonV: and with power, comes the lust for more
Orodreth V: Power corrupts and abosoulte power corrupts absoultly.
ArPharazonV: you can only be satisfied with what you have, if you have nothing
ArPharazonV: wow, I'm going buddhistic here, I think...
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After-Meeting:
ArathornValar: well, time for supper... going to try to play up that Sander ladder char after (closer to lvl 28 anyway <g>) in case anyone wants to help out... afk for a while.
FarmerMaggotV: well, I'm quite tired after a day of coding, namarie
ArPharazonV: namarie, ara
Orodreth V: Hokay, later Arathorn.
VardaValar1: Namarie
Orodreth V: brb
FarmerMaggotV has left the room.
ArPharazonV: abosoulte power corrupts absoulty.... Orodreth's getting worse at typing with the minute :-D
Orodreth V: Yup.
Orodreth V: Need my sugar intake. :-P
VardaValar1: chocolate cake waiting for us for Father's Day : )
VardaValar1: Eowyn's an excellent cook
ArPharazonV: you wouldn't say... when you saw the movie
Orodreth V: Stop making me hungry!
VardaValar1: Oh, Chronicles of Riddick has Karl Urban (Eomer)
Orodreth V: Meany.
VardaValar1: Major baddie, the Commander
ArPharazonV: man, gotta lay off the crisps.. been eating almost an entire bag throughout the meeting
VardaValar1: hehe
VardaValar1: We are like a movie, need popcorn
Orodreth V: STOP TALKING ABOUT FOOD
Orodreth V: /me goes insane
Orodreth V: Er.
Orodreth V: More then I am normally, that is.
ArPharazonV: perhaps I'll put a hotdog in the microwave...
ArPharazonV: ;-)
Orodreth V: /me checks to see if Varda is looking, and quickly fires his fruit cannon at Ar, then hides it again
ArPharazonV: hmm... fruit...
Orodreth V: /me whistles innoccently
ArathornValar: < in response to Eowyn's cooking abilities, Rainman Arathorn spouts "I'm an excellent driver, definitely excellent...>
ArPharazonV: heh, I used that command a few days ago in bnet, /me whistles innocently
ArPharazonV: when I had been in a game with Turgon and Fladrif, I believe
Orodreth V: If this isn't the aftereeting, I dunno what is.
Orodreth V: MONKEYS HAVE FEET
Orodreth V: Ahem.
FladrifV: going to sleep
ArPharazonV: and I got the highest score, totally unexpected, although I had gotten far behind in the beginning, my heroes leveled up way faster than theirs
FladrifV: namarie
ArPharazonV: namarie
FladrifV has left the room.
ArPharazonV: and I entered the clan vala channel, whistling innocently :-)
ArPharazonV: anyway, do monkeys have feet?
ArPharazonV: or paws?
Orodreth V: Feets.
Orodreth V: 4 invitations left.
Orodreth V: Or 3.
Orodreth V: Let me see.
Orodreth V: 4.
TurgonjustTurgon: hmmmmz
TurgonjustTurgon: I swear monkeys have feet
TurgonjustTurgon: and not feets :-)
ArPharazonV: foots, of course
TurgonjustTurgon: fiets is bicycle in dutch :-)
Orodreth V: foots
Orodreth V: right, foots.
Orodreth V: feets is weirder, though.
Orodreth V: Double plural.
TurgonjustTurgon: proud, or just foots?
ArPharazonV: god.. who was that?
ArPharazonV: proudfoot?
TurgonjustTurgon: one of the hobbits at Bilbo's party
ArPharazonV: ah, right, thnx
Orodreth V: So, is feets actually foot?
Orodreth V: Are plurals like negitives?
Orodreth V: you must wonder.
Orodreth V: ..then bang your head on the wall repeatedly
ArPharazonV: your left feets and your right feets?
ArPharazonV: just doesn't sound right
ArPharazonV: then again, neither does proudfoots
TurgonjustTurgon: plain weird I say :-)
ArPharazonV: do Balrogs have foots?
TurgonjustTurgon: neways, gonna play a bit of d2x and then of to bed
ArPharazonV: trying to steer back to topic...
TurgonjustTurgon: nope
TurgonjustTurgon: blarogs have claws on paws
TurgonjustTurgon: bye
TurgonjustTurgon has left the room.
ArPharazonV: namar... ah too late
ArPharazonV: ah well, I'll pm him
ArPharazonV: *IM
ArPharazonV: oh.... the dreadful silence...
VardaValar1: Still testing on #5
ArPharazonV: gettin' meself a drink
ArPharazonV: k, back
ArathornValar: pfff! LOL! "Orodreth V (6:28:07 PM): you must wonder.Orodreth V (6:28:23 PM): ..then bang your head on the wall repeatedly"
ArPharazonV: :-)
Orodreth V: 'tis true.
ArPharazonV: so, is the aftermeeting over now?
ArPharazonV: btw, did anybody hear anything from lUbbErFyeD?
ArPharazonV: aw, man...
ArPharazonV: everybody afk...
ArPharazonV: well, I could do several things here
ArPharazonV: spamming, writing a first draft for a messageboard post, or perhaps just writing down every silly thing that pops up in my head
Orodreth V: Or all 3. >.>
ArPharazonV: ah, somebody not afk
ArPharazonV: from time to time
ArPharazonV: wanna play wos?
Orodreth V: 10 min?
ArPharazonV: ok
ArPharazonV: for ten minutes, or in ten minutes from now?
Orodreth V: from now
Orodreth V: ish
mikenowo has left the room.
Orodreth V: reading my backlogged mailing list
ArPharazonV: howling wolves?
Orodreth V: sure
ArPharazonV: ok, I'm there
Orodreth V: bah
Orodreth V: taking longer then I thought, even skipping the filks
ArPharazonV: ah pet is now level 13
mirkwood hunter has left the room.
Orodreth V: Dinner.
Orodreth V: Back in 5.
VardaValar1: Aiya
VardaValar1: mirkwood hunter is now Amras-V
ArPharazonV: hm... did we not have an amras?
VardaValar1: Yes, but
VardaValar1: he was dropped for inactivity
ArPharazonV: even I remember him
ArPharazonV: and I'm not even here for a year
VardaValar1: Me too, and his buddy
VardaValar1: We had a sweep at the end of the year
VardaValar1: He did not respond, never came back
VardaValar1: Never see him
ErestorV has entered the room.
ArPharazonV: Aiya
VardaValar1: Aiya Erestor!
ErestorV: Aiya all!!!!
VardaValar1: Happy father's day : )
ErestorV: :-)
ErestorV: so what have I missed?
VardaValar1: The meeting and a new member being brought in
VardaValar1: Amras-V
ErestorV: great
VardaValar1: He has a slow comp so he plays D1, WC2, BW
VardaValar1: but his BW isn't working
ArPharazonV: wc2 on bnet?
VardaValar1: He likes to write about Tolkien
ErestorV: nice
VardaValar1: ahem. I have WC2 on Bnet
ErestorV: another elf of the house of Feanor
VardaValar1: Good for ancient comps : )
ArPharazonV: so, I've got wc2 on bnet too
VardaValar1: Feanor's house is re-filled as fast as vacancies are made by the sword
VardaValar1: Good! Then you can play with him : )
ErestorV: hehehehe
VardaValar1: He'd like that
ErestorV: i'd rather have blond hair myself
ArPharazonV: I rarely play it though, unless somebody else proposes it it
VardaValar1: Finarfin's house : )
ErestorV: yes
VardaValar1: Then he'd be one of those
ErestorV: :-)
VardaValar1: You still want to be Finarfin?
ErestorV: yes
ErestorV: i would remake into that name
VardaValar1: I had the thought that you might grab it for your Maia name
ErestorV: i could test now
VardaValar1: Could just change now and use it still when you go Maia
ErestorV: :-)
ErestorV: ok
ArPharazonV: I wanted Fingolfin when I joined here, I believe, until I saw it was taken
ErestorV: hehehehe
ErestorV: need a new comb
VardaValar1: You need 3 Valar or you would already be Maia
ErestorV: :0
VardaValar1: Fingolfin is another good name
VardaValar1: But Khan likes it : )
Orodreth V: Amras disappeared from B.net entirely. I had all his names on flist for awhile.
VardaValar1: His friend too
ErestorV: i was Finarfin for a few years a few years back.
VardaValar1: Yes you were
VardaValar1: We all know you as Erestor
ErestorV: i rembmber playing diablo with you Varda
VardaValar1: We could eventually relearn you as Finarfin
VardaValar1: It was fun : )
VardaValar1: Diablo1 was a risky game : )
ErestorV: it was sooooo fun... :-)
ErestorV: especialy in hellk
VardaValar1: We could still play it with Amras : )}
ErestorV: hell
ErestorV: i liked the cats.
VardaValar1: acid spitting dogs
ErestorV: we could maybe do a retro diable game
VardaValar1: Get the boss group all spitting at once across the lava
ErestorV: hehe
VardaValar1: Took forever to hit 50 with a warrior, finally did it
ErestorV: i remember all the tournaments
VardaValar1: :-)
ErestorV: they were the best
ErestorV: ring hunts
VardaValar1: People used to come when we called a Tourney
ErestorV: highest scores
ErestorV: most goodies
ErestorV: just real fun
ErestorV: good prizes
VardaValar1: We would have kept it up if the members would have kept on participating
ErestorV: tooo true
ErestorV: :-(
VardaValar1: We would spend all day waiting for people to show up, waste of time, so we now have a perpetual tourney set-up
VardaValar1: If a team sends in a score, it goes on the page
ErestorV: and spend the rest of the night playing
VardaValar1: I am bothered by not being able to do the Maiar tests
VardaValar1: But I can change your name to Finarfin , or I could say back to Finarfin
ErestorV: ok
ErestorV: i will start a new account today
VardaValar1: That could be pretty tough on your ladder chars
ErestorV: who cares
VardaValar1: hehe
ErestorV: the name the legend
VardaValar1: If you don't, np
ErestorV: the royality
VardaValar1: We can set up a game if you want to make mules
ErestorV: ok
Orodreth V: Blar.
VardaValar1: or you can start clean, however you prefer
ErestorV: i have to eat dinner first
VardaValar1: Don't want to waste all that playing
VardaValar1: good plan
VardaValar1: I need to set up stuff on the web pages
VardaValar1: :-)
ErestorV: i will start clean and make mules as i need them
ArPharazonV: Orodreth? How's it going?
Orodreth V: Ok.
VardaValar1: You can move old stuff to new mules
ErestorV: and i am going to eat dinner. hehe
Orodreth V: got dinner.
VardaValar1: I can set up game
ErestorV: hmm
VardaValar1: dinner is good. Go eat and feel happy!
Orodreth V: Just finished last maining.
ArPharazonV: I can't seem to balance the food for my pet...
ErestorV: i am going to eat like a starved hobbit.... hehehe
VardaValar1: hehe
Orodreth V: What color?
VardaValar1: Go for it, Finarfin-V!
ErestorV: afk
ArPharazonV: at this point, it seems to light...
Orodreth V: what element is pet?
VardaValar1: Starting on webwork now
ArPharazonV: god
Orodreth V: Ok.
Orodreth V: Starting from scratch, you need 2 steak (red) 1 lettuce (green) and 1 blue (grapes)
ArPharazonV: it doesn't help a thing...
ArPharazonV: how do you 'start from scratch'?
Orodreth V: If you follow that formula long enough, and exactly that, then it will eventually change.
ErestorV: starting from scratch is just starting a new account and just playing with things you find
ErestorV: oops
ErestorV: hehe
ErestorV: still eating
Orodreth V: What level are you?
ArPharazonV: I got it! I got it! ok, now it seems the right color
ArPharazonV: at least, the same color as the surrounding circle
ArPharazonV: pet is level 13
ArPharazonV: I'm level 16
Orodreth V: Keep using 2r, 1g, 1b.
Orodreth V: Lesse.
Orodreth V: I'm like.
Orodreth V: 30
Orodreth V: So. :-P
ArPharazonV: :-)
ArPharazonV: still trying to get pet to 15, for that quest
ArPharazonV: be vewy vewy quiet
ArPharazonV: I'm hunting Kempto's
ArPharazonV: sleep, my pet, sleep... oro, when are you joining?
Orodreth V: Erm.
Orodreth V: whenever you want me to.
Orodreth V: I can try and help you.
ArPharazonV: :-)
Orodreth V: I'll take that as a 'now pplzkthxbbqggnore'.
ArPharazonV: take it however you want
Eonwe Valar has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar: heya
Eonwe Valar: afk
ArPharazonV: hey....
ArPharazonV: orodreth? where are you now?
Orodreth V: Should be in the server. o.0
ArPharazonV: you are, in the well
VardaValar1: Aiya Eonwe : )
VardaValar1: Erestor is now Finarfin
Eonwe Valar: back
VardaValar1: welcome back
Eonwe Valar: Erestor changed his name?
Eonwe Valar: thanks
VardaValar1: Yes
VardaValar1: He's been itching to do it for a long time
VardaValar1: We're going to start a level one game in about 15 minutes or so
VardaValar1: He's eating
VardaValar1: Fangorn and I plan to join him
VardaValar1: Maybe a Quest for however many : )
Eonwe Valar: for food? :} or the game :}
ArPharazonV: this diablo?
VardaValar1: hmm
VardaValar1: D2X
ArPharazonV: ah
VardaValar1: He said he was having roast beast, so maybe both : )
Eonwe Valar: Was my gaming news delivered?
Eonwe Valar: hehe :}
VardaValar1: yes! : )
VardaValar1: We have good folk keeping things going around here : )
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