Valar Guild

July4, 2004 Meeting

AIM: Valar Guild Meetingplace
5pm EST (GMT-5)

News page

Meeting Begins
    Gilraen's "few words" of introduction
    Links page
    America's Army (new page by Arathorn-V for AA branch of guild)
    Games page
    D2X Ladder and Regular
    D2X Middle-earth Mod
    Middle-earth Online beta spots
        Patch for WC3/TFT
        TFT map
    WoW Beta sign-up for Europe
    New Forum rp based on a WC3 forum rp
    Everyone was asked to tell a possible Valar influence found in LotR
    MeO rp discussion

(transcript from Arathorn)
(4:35:36 PM) Eonwe Valar has entered the room.
(4:35:40 PM) Orodreth V has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar (4:35:43 PM): heya :}
ArPharazonV (4:35:45 PM): Aiya
Eonwe Valar (4:35:47 PM): Afk for a moment
Orodreth V (4:37:20 PM): Aiya
(4:42:33 PM) Lady Fallun has entered the room.
Lady Fallun (4:42:42 PM): Aiya
ArPharazonV (4:42:47 PM): Aiya
ArPharazonV (4:42:51 PM): not using your new name?
Lady Fallun (4:43:12 PM): hehe, I forgot... ^^;
Lady Fallun (4:44:12 PM): bah, aol's about to die on me.... brb
(4:44:20 PM) Lady Fallun has left the room.
Eonwe Valar (4:45:53 PM): back
ArPharazonV (4:46:01 PM): aiyata
Eonwe Valar (4:46:10 PM): Hantal :}
(4:46:37 PM) GilraenV has entered the room.
GilraenV (4:46:45 PM): *wishes pc was back already*
GilraenV (4:46:55 PM): AOL can't be gone soon enough.
GilraenV (4:47:01 PM): this better Phara? :-P
ArPharazonV (4:47:20 PM): just a suggestion, not an expression of personal
preference :-)
ArPharazonV (4:47:46 PM): I just thought you wanted to brag about your
membership ;-)
GilraenV (4:48:07 PM): hehe, it's ok. May as well get some use out of it
other than when I'm feeling anti-social
GilraenV (4:48:11 PM): lol. menbership is good ;-)
ArPharazonV (4:48:28 PM): but, the way I see it, you have been a member
of the group for a long time, just not under an official name :-)
Eonwe Valar (4:48:32 PM): Usually its preferred one come into the meeting
with the Guild Name,.. back on bnet it was required
TurgonjustTurgon (4:49:25 PM): can't remember Gorbag taking to that rule
more than ujst occasionally :-)
Eonwe Valar (4:49:38 PM): makes it easier to recognize everyone, but since
making a new AIM account isn't exactly on top of everyone's priority, it
wasn't required for AIM
GilraenV (4:50:39 PM): Thank you, Phara. Eonwe, my laptop is somewhat...
temperamental. If I signed out of AIM in my other screenname just to
access this chat under my Guild name, it probably wouldn't let me. but I
got disconnected anyway
ArPharazonV (4:50:39 PM): this was my first/is my only AIM account, so I
figured I could just start with the Guildname immediately :-D
Eonwe Valar (4:50:57 PM): :}
Eonwe Valar (4:51:05 PM): NP GIlraen :}
Orodreth V (4:51:25 PM): This is my.. 3rd?
Orodreth V (4:51:26 PM): 4th?
Orodreth V (4:51:30 PM): Something like that.
Eonwe Valar (4:51:43 PM): This is my first and only as well,.. only made it
for the Valar Guild
Orodreth V (4:51:49 PM): Probally 6th with my memory..
ArPharazonV (4:51:52 PM): same here, Eonwe
GilraenV (4:52:00 PM): I have quite a few screennames... different online
aliases... some for when I'm feeling anti-social... etc
ArPharazonV (4:52:19 PM): at this point I'm known at every forum and game
as Ar-Pharazon :P
GilraenV (4:53:10 PM): lol. nice and easy for you then
ArPharazonV (4:53:11 PM): When I'm feeling anti-social I'll go play
Morrowind and brutally slaughter a town or two....
GilraenV (4:53:30 PM): don't remind me... *misses d2x*
(4:53:48 PM) VardaValar1 has entered the room.
VardaValar1 (4:53:51 PM): Aiya!
Eonwe Valar (4:54:04 PM): Aiya! :}
ArPharazonV (4:54:04 PM): Aiya
Eonwe Valar (4:54:19 PM): THink I've got everyone on my list invited
GilraenV (4:54:20 PM): Aiya
ArPharazonV (4:54:32 PM): ooh, almost forgot to add Gilraen...
Eonwe Valar (4:54:38 PM): Just added Gilraen to my Buddy List :}
VardaValar1 (4:54:52 PM): Now adding
GilraenV (4:54:56 PM): *feels loved... people other than Gwai have her on
their lists...*
ArPharazonV (4:55:28 PM): I've had 'Lady Fallun' on the list for ages and
ages, it seems :-)
Eonwe Valar (4:55:41 PM): Hmm
Eonwe Valar (4:55:52 PM): "Win and MEO Beta Account!"
ArPharazonV (4:56:30 PM): 1 more hour in Europe before it's the 5th...
Eonwe Valar (4:56:37 PM): oh, nm, gotta actually go somewhere, and I don't
know if everyone here is willing to run to Providence, RI for Turbine
Nation 2004
Eonwe Valar (4:56:50 PM): Happy 4th to all the US guys and gals here :}
VardaValar1 (4:57:07 PM): Had Lady Fallun listed quite a while
ArPharazonV (4:57:11 PM): yes, same, happy independence day
VardaValar1 (4:57:16 PM): Happy Fourth :-)
ArPharazonV (4:57:24 PM): can't help but be reminded to the movie..
GilraenV (4:57:37 PM): Aye, happy Independance day... the Will SMith
ArPharazonV (4:57:45 PM): yes
GilraenV (4:57:50 PM): good movie
ArPharazonV (4:57:54 PM): yep
VardaValar1 (4:58:11 PM): Meriadoc-V says hi. He's in BW single player
on comp next to mine
(4:58:21 PM) FladrifV has entered the room.
ArPharazonV (4:58:22 PM): Aiya Merry
Eonwe Valar (4:58:25 PM): Heya Merry :}
ArPharazonV (4:58:26 PM): Aiya Fladrif
VardaValar1 (4:58:29 PM): Aiya Fladrif
FladrifV (4:58:32 PM): football done :-)
Eonwe Valar (4:58:37 PM): Heya Fladrif :}
FladrifV (4:58:45 PM): aiya
ArPharazonV (4:58:51 PM): *soccer :-D
GilraenV (4:58:59 PM): football
FladrifV (4:59:03 PM): true true...
FladrifV (4:59:28 PM): soccer I think is the right word
Eonwe Valar (5:01:39 PM): Be vewy vewy quiet,.. I
Eonwe Valar (5:01:44 PM): 'm hunting wabbit :}
VardaValar1 (5:01:46 PM): Attempted inviting
Eonwe Valar (5:02:05 PM): got real quiet all of a sudden :}
VardaValar1 (5:02:08 PM): Doubt if more will come on July 4
VardaValar1 (5:02:11 PM): Let's start

Meeting Begins:
(transcript from Arathorn)

VardaValar1 (5:02:19 PM): Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo
VardaValar1 (5:02:28 PM): Membership News:
VardaValar1 (5:02:40 PM): Gilraen-V is our newest member : )
VardaValar1 (5:02:53 PM): Gilraen, would you like to say a few words to
the group?
(5:03:03 PM) ArathornValar has entered the room.
ArPharazonV (5:03:13 PM): aiya, ara
ArathornValar (5:03:15 PM): hmm.. trouble joining with this PC again
GilraenV (5:03:28 PM): Umm... Sure ^^ *wonders what to say*
VardaValar1 (5:04:06 PM): Introduction of yourself, maybe what you would
like to see the group doing, what you would like out of it, why you joined
up, or just hi : )
GilraenV (5:04:27 PM): Well.... some/most of you know me as the Guild
friend Lady Fallun... I'm 18, from England, and firmly insist that 'soccer' is
actually football
VardaValar1 (5:04:42 PM): What do we call football then?
TurgonjustTurgon (5:04:59 PM): rugby :-)
GilraenV (5:05:01 PM): American Football, of course ;-)
ArPharazonV (5:05:11 PM): indeed, some variant of rugby
ArathornValar (5:05:22 PM): hey..there's Canadian Football too ya
know! <chuckle>
GilraenV (5:05:23 PM): well, it ~is~ rugby with padding...
ArPharazonV (5:06:05 PM): why do Americans call that American
FOOTball anyway?
VardaValar1 (5:06:10 PM): Glad to have you officially in this bunch, Gilraen :
TurgonjustTurgon (5:06:19 PM): "football" is simply trying to knock the
other team out (under certain rules) while in *football* you'd get sent off
the field for no more than half what they guys do in rugby :-)
GilraenV (5:06:23 PM): Thank you Varda... I'm glad to be a member :-)
VardaValar1 (5:06:40 PM): Any other Member news?
GilraenV (5:06:51 PM): Gwaihir is at work again
VardaValar1 (5:07:05 PM): Grimbold says hi, hopes to have internet, is busy
learning to be a veterinary technician
VardaValar1 (5:07:22 PM): and is moving into a house.
VardaValar1 (5:07:46 PM): Celebrimbor says hi, has to work during
meetings now

VardaValar1 (5:08:02 PM): Web News:
VardaValar1 (5:08:09 PM): New for the Links page:
VardaValar1 (5:08:41 PM): - you can buy a trophy orc
head : ) The sculptor is joining our forum.
ArPharazonV (5:09:10 PM): heheh... could be cool to have, being a
warrior-king of Men...
VardaValar1 (5:09:11 PM): New link under Tolkien movie stuff
VardaValar1 (5:09:25 PM): Arathorn made a start on a web page for
America's Army
VardaValar1 (5:09:31 PM): Arathorn, would you like to tell about that?
VardaValar1 (5:10:07 PM): The URL is on the News
ArathornValar (5:10:17 PM): Not much to tell.. tells you how to
install and join our 'clan' to track other guild members
ArathornValar (5:10:33 PM): er.. so far we have yet to get together
VardaValar1 (5:10:53 PM): Do these new members need to join the Valar
Guild first?
ArathornValar (5:11:33 PM): I guess that might have to be
Caranthir's call.
VardaValar1 (5:11:49 PM): Is there a rank for guild-friends, sort of a
probationary status?
ArathornValar (5:11:53 PM): I would think so since we're using
guild password/names/
VardaValar1 (5:12:44 PM): Thanks for your work, Arathorn : )
ArathornValar (5:12:45 PM): Well, we haven't officially gotten
VardaValar1 (5:12:53 PM): Eonwe, would you like to give your Web news
Eonwe Valar (5:12:58 PM): Sure :}
Eonwe Valar (5:13:31 PM): I have made some updates to the Games Page,
besides the obvious adding of new members :}
Eonwe Valar (5:14:08 PM): I've made a separate section on the left frame for
Guild Branch Websites
Eonwe Valar (5:14:27 PM): And all of them we have should be there,
including the new America's Army site
VardaValar1 (5:14:49 PM):
Eonwe Valar (5:15:22 PM): I may may a few other tweaks, but looking at
some slightly larger changes for the upcoming annual Games Page
Eonwe Valar (5:16:26 PM): That's it for me :}
ArPharazonV (5:16:48 PM): how about the new very popular forum game?
VardaValar1 (5:16:50 PM): Thanks Eonwe!
VardaValar1 (5:16:59 PM): Tons of work there
GilraenV (5:17:04 PM): afk for a sec, sorry...
Eonwe Valar (5:17:57 PM): MP :}
TurgonjustTurgon (5:18:00 PM): very popular is yet to be determined Phara
VardaValar1 (5:18:38 PM): Not all that new either : )
VardaValar1 (5:18:48 PM): I don't see America's Army
TurgonjustTurgon (5:19:01 PM): but it is new for the MB :-)
VardaValar1 (5:20:59 PM): Not the one in MeO I guess you mean?
GilraenV (5:21:07 PM): back
Eonwe Valar (5:21:53 PM): America's Army not there? I'll check on that
VardaValar1 (5:21:55 PM): Phar, is the game up? What is it?
ArPharazonV (5:22:29 PM): it's a forum game, which I saw on a warcraft 3
ArPharazonV (5:22:38 PM): character elimination
VardaValar1 (5:22:45 PM): Tolkienizing it?
ArPharazonV (5:23:22 PM): I figured we could do the same game here, yes,
Tolkienizing it (basically just changing the names and a few regulations) so
it could work with us too
VardaValar1 (5:24:23 PM): Since you folk are also our main MeO rp
players, will you still be doing that as well?
ArPharazonV (5:24:26 PM): each character gets a number of hitpoints, for
our version it has been set to 10, and we get the chance of subtracting a
point from a character and adding it to another
TurgonjustTurgon (5:24:31 PM): of course :-)
ArPharazonV (5:24:35 PM): well, yes, of course
TurgonjustTurgon (5:24:43 PM): it's an easy game
TurgonjustTurgon (5:25:03 PM): rules and such are explained under
community / Tolkien Discussions
VardaValar1 (5:25:25 PM): gaming under Tolkien discussions? Might miss it
VardaValar1 (5:25:33 PM): Could go under other games?
ArPharazonV (5:25:43 PM): what, you don't check the most recent posts?
TurgonjustTurgon (5:25:54 PM): that's because we kind of adapted it to a
name game / trivia hybrid thingy
VardaValar1 (5:26:49 PM): If we only go by most recent posts, we don't
need the headings : )
VardaValar1 (5:26:58 PM): ah, sounds fun
ArPharazonV (5:27:14 PM): I always check the most recent posts daily,
keeps me uptodate :-)
TurgonjustTurgon (5:27:46 PM): besides, next to every subsection there can
be seen when the last post was posted
VardaValar1 (5:28:00 PM): looking now. We have to post twice a day?
Good luck
Eonwe Valar (5:28:04 PM): Just to add a tidbit,..Gotta have a positive/
negative thing about the Character from Tolkien's lore to add/subtract a
point,.. builds knowledge of Tolkien :}
TurgonjustTurgon (5:28:10 PM): no, not twice a day
Eonwe Valar (5:28:12 PM): Don't have to, that's max
TurgonjustTurgon (5:28:15 PM): max twice a day
ArPharazonV (5:28:51 PM): you can post whenever you want, even if only
once a month, as long as you do not go over the 2 a day
VardaValar1 (5:28:54 PM): More do-able : )
VardaValar1 (5:29:14 PM): Could be very interesting to play and to read
TurgonjustTurgon (5:29:25 PM): we hoped so :-)
TurgonjustTurgon (5:29:40 PM): didn't spend 2 hours optimizing possible
game play for nothing :-)
VardaValar1 (5:29:56 PM): hehe - good to hear
VardaValar1 (5:30:04 PM): Any further web news?

VardaValar1 (5:30:30 PM): Gaming News:
VardaValar1 (5:30:52 PM): The game Phar just told about could go under
Web or Gaming : )
VardaValar1 (5:30:58 PM): D2X Ladder:
VardaValar1 (5:31:09 PM): The ladder is about to end and boot ladder guys
into regular
VardaValar1 (5:31:30 PM): Please be sure to update your ladder scores for
your guild characters by emailing me
VardaValar1 (5:31:46 PM): We can show participation as well as who got to
play the most : )
VardaValar1 (5:32:02 PM): Then we can start Ladder 2
VardaValar1 (5:32:17 PM): Eonwe, you had Gaming news?
Eonwe Valar (5:32:35 PM): Yep :}
VardaValar1 (5:32:49 PM): Please go ahead : )
Eonwe Valar (5:32:58 PM): First, WC3/TFT : Patch 1.16 is out
Eonwe Valar (5:33:08 PM): Surprisingly, no changes were made to the Night
Elves :}
ArPharazonV (5:33:37 PM): heh, you're right, did not notice that, no map
changes either
Eonwe Valar (5:33:49 PM): Second, ME mod for LoD (not to be confused
with MEO, the MMORPG)
Eonwe Valar (5:34:09 PM): version 1.92 is out
Eonwe Valar (5:35:13 PM): can be found via the link on their page, or if you
don't have/want a fileplanet account, you can get it from
Eowyn/Nathalia's (not our Eowyn) site linked from the Games Page
Eonwe Valar (5:35:50 PM): Nathalia changed her name to Eowyn on the
Phrozen Forum, so that's why I put it that way :}
VardaValar1 (5:35:59 PM): Good for her : )
Eonwe Valar (5:36:56 PM): for those interested, I'll throw this in as well :At
Turbine Nation 2004, held this year in Providence, Rhode Island
Eonwe Valar (5:37:38 PM): Attendees will have a chance to win one of 50
MEO (Middle-Earth Online) beta spots
Eonwe Valar (5:38:01 PM): In other words, 50 will be given away there, so
50 people get a chance to win :}
Eonwe Valar (5:38:17 PM): That does it for me :}
VardaValar1 (5:38:34 PM): Wow! So who's headed to Rhode Island?
VardaValar1 (5:38:51 PM): Ar-Pharazon has more Gaming News. Go
ahead, Phar.
ArPharazonV (5:39:17 PM): first: there is a new map for TFT, called Rolling
Hills, available on the bnet website
ArPharazonV (5:39:56 PM): it looks cool, but I haven't gotten a chance to
play it yet, because the server has been unavailable for at least 2 days it
ArPharazonV (5:40:34 PM): second: the WoW signup date is drawing very
near, the 5th of July, in other words: tomorrow!!
ArPharazonV (5:41:25 PM): for European beta, yes, thank you Eonwe for
that little detail
ArPharazonV (5:42:12 PM): anyway, I myself will be signing up for it, and I
have the feeling I'm not the only one here who will :-)
VardaValar1 (5:42:33 PM): Good luck to all who can get in : )
ArPharazonV (5:42:49 PM): that's it for me, if any of you want further detail I
can supply, please let me know
VardaValar1 (5:42:56 PM): If it's ok, please let us know if you get in even
though you probably won't be allowed to tell details
VardaValar1 (5:43:27 PM): Thanks, Ar-Pharazon
ArPharazonV (5:43:35 PM): on the same topic: Turgon, how are those keys
coming along? :-D
VardaValar1 (5:44:43 PM): Keys?
ArPharazonV (5:45:49 PM): the beta keys he could perhaps aquire via a
group/fansite he's a member of
VardaValar1 (5:45:53 PM): heh
VardaValar1 (5:45:57 PM): Good luck
VardaValar1 (5:46:43 PM): Any further news, suggestions, comments?
ArPharazonV (5:46:58 PM): :-X
VardaValar1 (5:47:04 PM): hehe
VardaValar1 (5:47:20 PM): Are any of us on right now?
Eonwe Valar (5:47:28 PM): you drank very sour lemon juice?
Eonwe Valar (5:47:40 PM): :}
VardaValar1 (5:47:41 PM): We may need a live person there since the
bridge is not currently available
VardaValar1 (5:48:24 PM): And everyone is hard at work on their Tolkien
Encyc contributions about their characters.... ;-)

VardaValar1 (5:48:38 PM): Tolkien:
VardaValar1 (5:48:54 PM): Does anyone have a topic before I inflict one on
you of my own? : )
ArPharazonV (5:49:22 PM): none from my part, inflict on us if you want :-)
VardaValar1 (5:49:44 PM): Everyone gets to tell one Valar influence they
found in LotR : )
VardaValar1 (5:49:57 PM): Talk fast before someone gets yours.
Eonwe Valar (5:50:35 PM): Eonwë: he didn't drag Sauron back to Aman
kicking and screaming, so Sauron was still in Middle-Earth :}
VardaValar1 (5:50:41 PM): hehe
ArPharazonV (5:50:46 PM): the resurrection of Gandalf?
VardaValar1 (5:50:51 PM): Good
Eonwe Valar (5:50:53 PM): er, that's not Vala, but Maia, pardon :}
VardaValar1 (5:51:10 PM): Eonwe would need Valar permission, I'll let it
pass : )
Eonwe Valar (5:51:16 PM): thanks :}
VardaValar1 (5:52:21 PM): Rest of this bunch pretending to be afk : )
ArPharazonV (5:52:27 PM): I'd say Gandalf's return from the dead was a
Divine Intervention (don't confuse it with the famous spell from
Eonwe Valar (5:52:44 PM): Tolkien says in his letters (so I've heard/been
read from) was an intervention from Eru
ArPharazonV (5:52:52 PM): oh, ok
VardaValar1 (5:53:09 PM): I'll take that. We could say Powers influence and
get around all this : )
VardaValar1 (5:54:05 PM): Makes one wonder about Glorfindel. Eru or
Valar doing his come-back?
ArPharazonV (5:54:12 PM): I could probably point to moments of uncanny
good luck...
ArathornValar (5:54:30 PM): Hmm... what about the appearance of
the eagles at just the right moment?
VardaValar1 (5:54:36 PM): Merry-V says Valar influence to have Bilbo be
the one to pick up the One Ring.
VardaValar1 (5:54:49 PM): Good one, Arathorn. Which moment?
ArathornValar (5:55:14 PM): Well, initially to save Arathorn,
Gandalf et al...
ArathornValar (5:55:45 PM): Saving Frodo and Sam was Gandalf's
influence :-)
VardaValar1 (5:56:08 PM): Also, Eagles only help if people of M-e can't do
the rescue for themselves. They don't pop in just any old time they could
be helpful.
ArathornValar (5:56:09 PM): I suppose saving Gandalf at Isenguard
VardaValar1 (5:56:29 PM): Eagles are of Manwe
ArathornValar (5:56:56 PM): *Isengard
ArathornValar (5:57:42 PM): Does Merry have an opinion as to who
helped Bilbo?
VardaValar1 (5:58:00 PM): He does not
ArPharazonV (5:58:23 PM): I'd say any twist of fate would be the
intervention of the Valar
VardaValar1 (5:58:34 PM): Quite likely, Phar
ArPharazonV (5:58:39 PM): think: the Music
VardaValar1 (5:58:46 PM): Fate being twisted is a clue : )
ArathornValar (5:59:27 PM): Hmm... what about Smeagol being there
to snatch the ring and truly finish the quest?
ArPharazonV (5:59:39 PM): meh, just Smeagols fault :-)
ArathornValar (6:00:06 PM): er.. so, no one gave him a ... nudge? :-D
VardaValar1 (6:00:07 PM): Suggestion by Gandalf that Gollum has a part to
play before the end, one he didn't know
ArathornValar (6:00:40 PM): Yes... early on Gandalf mentions that...
ArPharazonV (6:00:57 PM): actually, I'm under the impression that every
event comes from the accumulation of factors prior to the event, so not
really believing in divine twists
VardaValar1 (6:01:16 PM): This is Tolkien, not real life.
ArPharazonV (6:01:18 PM): although, in a world with Eru and Ainur,
everything is possible
ArathornValar (6:01:50 PM): Hmm.. there's that "real life" stuff
again ... ;-)
ArPharazonV (6:02:08 PM): you know, the world outside your computer?
VardaValar1 (6:02:17 PM): *looks around in astonishment*
VardaValar1 (6:02:33 PM): Since this is a Tolkien discussion, we go with his
ArPharazonV (6:02:39 PM): I'm constantly reminded of it with our new cat
running around everywhere...
ArPharazonV (6:03:21 PM): yes, we go with his mythology
ArPharazonV (6:03:38 PM): but that does not really mean the laws in our
world do not matter there at all
ArathornValar (6:03:45 PM): Hmm, ok so what part did your cat
play again?? <snortle!>
VardaValar1 (6:04:07 PM): Sure. Does that mean you don't want us talking
about Valar influence in LotR?
ArPharazonV (6:04:24 PM): no, go ahead with the discussion
ArPharazonV (6:05:04 PM): I'm just saying it's hard for me to precisely open
my mind enough to distinguish divine intervention from such things as I
said before as 'Smeagol's own fault'
ArathornValar (6:05:25 PM): You could also wonder if the pity they
felt for Smeagol was an outside influence too.
VardaValar1 (6:05:27 PM): Group seems mined out anyway
VardaValar1 (6:05:37 PM): So I guess we can declare after-meeting

(this part of transcript from Arathorn)
VardaValar1 (6:06:01 PM): afk
TurgonjustTurgon (6:06:06 PM): as usual lol
ArPharazonV (6:06:34 PM): you missed a lot, Turg :-)
ArPharazonV (6:06:49 PM): but in any case, watching the clock....
ArPharazonV (6:06:56 PM): it's sign-up day!!
GilraenV (6:09:55 PM): *really wishes she had a pc for the forseeable future*
GilraenV (6:10:35 PM): sorry, I've been suffering hayfever and high pollen counts... not much up to thinking
ArPharazonV (6:11:07 PM): always bad, hayfever :-(
GilraenV (6:11:34 PM): Aye. I've been sneezing for pretty much 12 hours straight *sigh*
ArPharazonV (6:12:21 PM): I thought I had hayfever, 'cause when we were on fieldexercise for my study, we went to a large
field with long grasses, and I ended up sneezing a lot
ArPharazonV (6:12:49 PM): however, as the weather worsened in the following days, my sneezes slowly calmed down and ended
ArPharazonV (6:12:59 PM): I think it was a combination of sun and pollen...
ArPharazonV (6:13:13 PM): or just sun
Eonwe Valar (6:13:31 PM): Sunlight made you sneeze?
FladrifV (6:13:35 PM): who has patch 1.16 from the bnet ftp for me?
GilraenV (6:13:42 PM): sometimes very high pollen counts make alot of non-hayfever-sufferers sneeze
VardaValar1 (6:14:00 PM): Wind blowing away Maiar like Saruman and Sauron, coming from the West
VardaValar1 (6:14:06 PM): Don't say I didn't contribute ; )
VardaValar1 (6:14:08 PM): afk again
ArPharazonV (6:14:31 PM): wind blowing away pollen from my nose in the bad-weather days could have been a factor too :-)
(6:14:37 PM) Bomburv has entered the room.
ArPharazonV (6:14:43 PM): or perhaps the rain had something to do with it
VardaValar1 (6:14:44 PM): Aiya
Bomburv (6:14:47 PM): Happy foruth of july
ArPharazonV (6:14:47 PM): aiya, bombur
ArPharazonV (6:15:13 PM): ah, perhaps you can answer this question, as you've experienced it yourself:
VardaValar1 (6:15:15 PM): In after-meeting
Bomburv (6:15:28 PM): What is the question?
ArPharazonV (6:15:31 PM): does the enchanted river put you to sleep only, or does it give amnesia too?
ArPharazonV (6:15:42 PM): :-D
Bomburv (6:15:44 PM): heh
VardaValar1 (6:15:50 PM): What would make you think amnesia?
ArPharazonV (6:16:05 PM): something we discussed in the forum about the rpg, did we not?
TurgonjustTurgon (6:16:15 PM): because you said it yourself Varda :-)
Eonwe Valar (6:16:19 PM): Indeed, someone mentioned the Amnesia :}
Bomburv (6:16:38 PM): I would say just a long deep sleep
TurgonjustTurgon (6:16:59 PM): without need of food or drink I might add
VardaValar1 (6:17:02 PM): Bombur slept long and dreamed of the Elves' feast
ArPharazonV (6:17:08 PM): Hah! Let the rascals try digging through memory-wiping water! More than one way to
de-bristle a spider, if we make it that far.
ArPharazonV (6:17:14 PM): That's what Varda said
VardaValar1 (6:17:17 PM): yep
TurgonjustTurgon (6:17:17 PM): while the others were yet starving
VardaValar1 (6:17:20 PM): I will go remove the post
ArPharazonV (6:17:45 PM): so you can let it stand
TurgonjustTurgon (6:17:56 PM): or just simply modify it :-)
ArPharazonV (6:18:29 PM): and what I wondered when I saw that post... 'de-bristle'?
(6:18:41 PM) mikenowo has left the room.
VardaValar1 (6:19:10 PM): Looking at it, would be confusing to remove. Will state that in book is not amnesia
VardaValar1 (6:19:31 PM): de-bristle is joke. Maybe I should just erase the thing
ArPharazonV (6:19:41 PM): what does it mean?
ArPharazonV (6:19:45 PM): what's bristling?
ArPharazonV (6:19:52 PM): something with spiders or something?
VardaValar1 (6:19:54 PM): Spiders have bristles
ArathornValar (6:20:07 PM): Spidey-beards :-D
VardaValar1 (6:20:10 PM): When a person is described as "bristling", he is angry
ArPharazonV (6:20:20 PM): ah, a new part of English I did not know yet
VardaValar1 (6:20:23 PM): Is like neck-hair on a dog rising, hackles rising
VardaValar1 (6:20:41 PM): Kind of a pun, not worth the confusion
ArPharazonV (6:20:49 PM): not really a confusion
ArPharazonV (6:20:54 PM): just an unknown word to me
ArPharazonV (6:21:00 PM): not really worth the removal
VardaValar1 (6:21:06 PM): whole post just wrong. I can goof
ArPharazonV (6:21:38 PM): which would remove the sense in all the posts under it.. ah well
ArPharazonV (6:21:45 PM): your choice
VardaValar1 (6:22:00 PM): I already did a post a while back taking it back. Apparently didn't help
VardaValar1 (6:22:12 PM): I said we could just say we put the spiders to sleep
ArPharazonV (6:22:16 PM): Maybe we can at least put the spiders to sleep. Easier to kill that way.
VardaValar1 (6:22:29 PM): Jan 27 post
ArPharazonV (6:22:32 PM): right, I did not notice that until I reopened this thread just now
Eonwe Valar (6:22:43 PM): If we're putting them to sleep, I'd say it better we run than stop to kill them :}
VardaValar1 (6:22:54 PM): running is good
ArPharazonV (6:22:56 PM): perhaps it was a busy day... already out of the most recent posts when I checked
VardaValar1 (6:23:13 PM): June 27
ArPharazonV (6:23:20 PM): yes, I know
VardaValar1 (6:23:25 PM): I mistyped
VardaValar1 (6:23:33 PM): Maybe I should get back to baking cookies : )
Bomburv (6:23:57 PM): its raaaining
ArPharazonV (6:24:01 PM): a Vala, bakinig cookies? you should be filling the skies with beautiful stars!
Eonwe Valar (6:24:04 PM): mm cokkies :}
ArPharazonV (6:24:04 PM): *baking
Eonwe Valar (6:24:09 PM): cookies even :}
VardaValar1 (6:24:12 PM): If a spider just happens to be easy to kill and close by, well... I don't mind sending
 it an arrow
ArPharazonV (6:24:22 PM): or a dagger
Eonwe Valar (6:24:22 PM): upload some cookies :}
VardaValar1 (6:24:26 PM): Chocolate chip, for munching while watching fireworks
VardaValar1 (6:24:28 PM): hehe
VardaValar1 (6:24:33 PM): *uploads cookies*
Eonwe Valar (6:24:44 PM): *downloads cookies* mmm yum :}
VardaValar1 (6:24:56 PM): : )
ArPharazonV (6:25:10 PM):
Bomburv (6:25:11 PM): *deletes cookies* do not like my movements tracked on the web
VardaValar1 (6:25:29 PM): Delete by eating is good : )
Bomburv (6:25:40 PM): heh
Eonwe Valar (6:25:41 PM): just mop up the melted chocolate trail :}
VardaValar1 (6:25:52 PM): Cookie crumbs eaten by birds
ArPharazonV (6:25:59 PM): here! cookies!
Eonwe Valar (6:26:14 PM): Hansel and Gretel learned that the hard way :}
VardaValar1 (6:26:21 PM): My thought, Eonwe : )
Eonwe Valar (6:26:28 PM): :}
ArPharazonV (6:26:35 PM): Hansel and Gretel?
Bomburv (6:26:36 PM): have any of you ever been here?
(Varda note: Encyclopedia of Arda. We have had this on our Links page a long time. Check it out.)
ArPharazonV (6:26:43 PM): that not another fairytale?
VardaValar1 (6:26:51 PM): Yes, fairy tale
Eonwe Valar (6:26:53 PM): one of the Brother Grimm fairy tales
ArPharazonV (6:26:56 PM): well, yes
Eonwe Valar (6:27:00 PM): *Brothers
ArPharazonV (6:27:02 PM): but not the one with the trail
VardaValar1 (6:27:20 PM): Had another, yes
VardaValar1 (6:27:31 PM): The idea from the fairy tales was all I meant
VardaValar1 (6:27:35 PM): afk
ArPharazonV (6:27:42 PM): I don't know what the good one is called in English though
ArPharazonV (6:27:50 PM): in Dutch, it's Kleinduimpje
Eonwe Valar (6:28:00 PM): describe the story
ArPharazonV (6:28:01 PM): which would literally translate into 'little-thumb
ArPharazonV (6:28:02 PM): '
ArPharazonV (6:28:22 PM): with the kid as small as a thumb or something
VardaValar1 (6:28:24 PM): Tom Thumb, Thumbelina
ArPharazonV (6:28:42 PM): who overheard his poor parents, when they decided to leave them in the woods
(6:28:55 PM) flyingunicorn113 has entered the room.
VardaValar1 (6:29:00 PM): Hello
flyingunicorn113 (6:29:00 PM): Hello
ArPharazonV (6:50:44 PM): well, the link I gave is yet another story....
GilraenV (6:51:31 PM): yes, it seems the same
GilraenV (6:51:39 PM): is a link for hop o' my thumb
ArPharazonV (6:51:41 PM): ah, this is the one
ArPharazonV (6:51:43 PM): heh
GilraenV (6:51:46 PM): lol
TurgonjustTurgon (6:51:51 PM): hmmmmz
TurgonjustTurgon (6:51:58 PM): nearly forgot darn me
TurgonjustTurgon (6:52:08 PM): INDEPENDENCE DAY!!!!!
GilraenV (6:52:28 PM): lol
TurgonjustTurgon (6:52:51 PM): officially, still is for you gilraen
TurgonjustTurgon (6:52:59 PM): at least for the next 7 mins or so
ArPharazonV (6:53:09 PM): As they walked through the forest, he had let drop the little white pebbles
he had kept in his pocket all along the way.
ArPharazonV (6:53:23 PM): "Don't be scared. Mother and father have abandoned us here, but I will take
you home again. Just follow me." They trooped after him and he led them straight home by the same way
 they had gone into the forest.
ArPharazonV (6:53:42 PM): the next day...
TurgonjustTurgon (6:53:48 PM): unfortunately, his little pet was fond of rocks, so he ate them as his
master dropped them :-P
ArPharazonV (6:53:59 PM): But when he got up at dawn to go and fetch his pebbles, his scheme came to nothing,
 for he found the door of the house securely locked.
ArPharazonV (6:54:12 PM): He did not know what to do until the woodcutter's wife gave each of them a piece
of bread for their lunch.
TurgonjustTurgon (6:54:17 PM): hansle and grettle
ArPharazonV (6:54:19 PM): Then he thought he would be able to use breadcrumbs instead of pebbles to
scatter behind him along the way, so he stored his bread in his pocket.
TurgonjustTurgon (6:54:26 PM): or whatever gretel or sumthin is spelled
ArPharazonV (6:54:30 PM): no, not hansel and gretel
TurgonjustTurgon (6:54:36 PM): oh yes it is
ArPharazonV (6:54:39 PM): hop o' my thumb
ArPharazonV (6:54:48 PM): also called Kleinduimpje :-)
TurgonjustTurgon (6:54:57 PM): hansel and gretel has the same basics
ArPharazonV (6:55:03 PM): yes, so it would seem
ArPharazonV (6:55:23 PM): that's what we've been trying to figure out for... what is it? half an hour now?
ArPharazonV (6:55:37 PM): and I guess the matter's closed
TurgonjustTurgon (6:55:41 PM): what are you trying to figure?
ArPharazonV (6:56:02 PM): Eonwe said it was Hansel and Gretel with the pebbles and the breadcrumbs
ArPharazonV (6:56:08 PM): I said it was Kleinduimpje
ArPharazonV (6:56:13 PM): turns out we were both right
TurgonjustTurgon (6:56:18 PM): seemingly :-)
TurgonjustTurgon (6:56:28 PM): never underestimate the power of the Eonwe :-)
TurgonjustTurgon (6:56:53 PM): he has tricks up his sleeve you have no idea he had or where they might be coming from :-)
TurgonjustTurgon (6:56:58 PM): must be fate or sumthin :-)
ArPharazonV (6:57:00 PM): hehe

(this part of transcript from Varda):
Bomburv has left the room.
Alabastadapimp has entered the room.
ArPharazonV: Hop o' my Thumb... the ugliest name for a fairytale I've ever seen ;-)
Alabastadapimp: I was here trying to meet Caranthir
ArPharazonV: Aiya
TurgonjustTurgon: bah, take a look at Hansel and Kettle
Alabastadapimp: Caranthir?
TurgonjustTurgon: how are ya Leafie? (Varda note: Calvin. Uses leafieslover as a name to insult our Leaflock-V.)
Alabastadapimp: Wowz
TurgonjustTurgon: what?
Alabastadapimp: Shhhh varda might be listining
TurgonjustTurgon: how so?
Alabastadapimp: in this chat
TurgonjustTurgon: you remain Leafie
ArPharazonV: what have you been drinking, Leafie? :-D
Alabastadapimp: [blocked Black Speech] [Be sure to put this name on your Block list for your Buddies]
ArPharazonV: I rest my case at that remark
ArPharazonV: so, the conversation seems a bit gone now...
GilraenV: just a bit
ArPharazonV: ah, I'm not alone
ArPharazonV: so, Gilraen... Manenna?
Eonwe Valar: back
GilraenV: nah, I'm still alive. mostly
GilraenV: I think
ArPharazonV: still breathin?
lUbbErFyeD has entered the room. [Another name for Calvin. If you put above name on your block, this one will be blocked also]
GilraenV: just about
ArPharazonV: uh-oh...
ArPharazonV: it's him
lUbbErFyeD: [blocked Black Speech]
Alabastadapimp: [continues the blocked Black Speech, proving same person]
Eonwe Valar: Weak orcish minds
ArPharazonV: well, I guess that's another one on my block-list... ah well
GilraenV: could at least learn to spell....
ArPharazonV: what was his name again? Calvin?
Eonwe Valar: anyone who wishes to shut these orcs out may simply click on their names and hit the "ignore" button
ArPharazonV: well, I just ignored both...
ArathornValar has left the room.
ArPharazonV: so, I have no idea what they're saying
ArPharazonV: but I doubt it's nice
Eonwe Valar: I have as well :}
Alabastadapimp has left the room.
GilraenV: amazingly deficient in the grammar department, I must say
ArPharazonV: lubberfyed I already blocked last time I met him
ArPharazonV: I feel a bit ignorant now...
ArPharazonV: almost curious
Eonwe Valar: I'm not curious about anything orcish :}
ArPharazonV: does this mean they can't here me either?
ArPharazonV: *hear
Eonwe Valar: they probably can
Eonwe Valar: unless they ignored you as well
Eonwe Valar: And if they ignored me after I ignored them, all the better :}
ArPharazonV: well, in that case.... *yells, curses, screams at lubber using every word in his memory that even partly has a bad meaning*
Eonwe Valar: careful now, just because you've taken the name of an evil king doesn't mean you need resort to his behavior :}
ArPharazonV: I did not say a single bad word!
GilraenV: no, but you implied many : )
ArPharazonV: so, perhaps I should say it in IM.... ah well
lUbbErFyeD has left the room.
GilraenV: well, that was charming
VardaValar1: heh
GilraenV: nice to know there does exist someone with worse grammar than my sister
VardaValar1: hehe
ArPharazonV: what did he say? what did he say? or rather... don't answer my question
VardaValar1: Everyone know how to block?
VardaValar1: Use buddy list and block from there
VardaValar1: Both names were the same person
GilraenV: mind if I ask.... who was that?
VardaValar1: When I blocked one, the other blocked
VardaValar1: He is not a member
ArPharazonV: Leafie's Lover, is what he called himself
ArPharazonV: *calls
ArPharazonV: *called, the last time I saw him here
VardaValar1: Knows some of the members in real life, and tried to smear them
VardaValar1: He is especially unkind to Leaflock
VardaValar1: His name is Calvin
ArPharazonV: he should only be addressed, if addressing him is necessary, by that name
ArPharazonV: he does not seem to like Calvin, Varda told me
VardaValar1: It takes away his ability to hide
GilraenV: I suppose to many trolls the internet offern anonymity... but if you know his name and can call him by it, the anonymity os removed
GilraenV: *is
VardaValar1: Right, Gilraen
VardaValar1: He knows some of our BW guys in real life and has been giving them a lot of grief
ArPharazonV: you are my friends, and even to you my real name is relatively unknown, I think...
ArPharazonV: only Fladrif I know personally
VardaValar1: I am happy to know you by your guild name : )
Eonwe Valar: Only one thing to do with trolls, and that's draw them into the sunlight so they get turned to stone :}
VardaValar1: I don't need your real name to know I like you
VardaValar1: Well said, Eonwe!
ArPharazonV: thanks, same here
VardaValar1: Your actions and words speak more to me than your handle
ArPharazonV: you know, that sounds pretty appropriate, Eonwe, if you think about it long enough
GilraenV: "a rose by any other name..."
VardaValar1: Eonwe is a deep thinker
VardaValar1: An excellent Vala : )
Eonwe Valar: *bows* I do my best :}
VardaValar1: Indeed you do. *curtsies*
ArPharazonV: so am I, at certain times... but more often than not otherwise, I think... a deep thinker, I mean
VardaValar1: I am honored that you are co-chair
VardaValar1: Late night for you, Phar ;-)
GilraenV: *applauds and throws flowers for no apparent reason*
VardaValar1: hehe
ArPharazonV: it's hard to think deep in English :-)
Eonwe Valar: :}
ArPharazonV: if Dutch is your main language
VardaValar1: Think Dutch then translate?
Eonwe Valar: you can give lessons to the Guild in Dutch? :}
ArPharazonV: I thought about that, Eonwe ;-)
ArPharazonV: I thought about a lot of things
VardaValar1: We have people come in from that area, could use you along on their tests!
ArPharazonV: when typing, I can easily switch to English, no problem at all
ArPharazonV: but when talking or thinking, it's a lot harder
VardaValar1: Intriguing
VardaValar1: I sometimes think type, especially when writing
VardaValar1: Might help you
ArPharazonV: well, yes, at this point the Dutch words hardly enter my head
ArPharazonV: if I were to speak to somebody in the room at the same time, however, that would be a lot different
VardaValar1: We are corrupting him into English...
ArPharazonV: I can relatively easily switch to English in my head, but it prevents me from thinking too deeply
VardaValar1: English, the common tongue, Westron
ArPharazonV: I already had that before joining the guild, you know :-)
Eonwe Valar: Need an English/Duth Dictionary :}
Eonwe Valar: Dutch even :}
VardaValar1: I really need to go play in the kitchen
ArPharazonV: even... even when I think of it in this concept, 'even' the way we use it in Dutch really does not come to mind
ArPharazonV: equally with the word 'Elf'
ArPharazonV: using it here, I can only think of a particular being of the Elven race
VardaValar1: That makes sense
VardaValar1: Wait, just one being?
ArPharazonV: while it's simply used here as the Dutch equivalent of the English number 'eleven'
ArPharazonV: no, any being of the race
VardaValar1: good
ArPharazonV: but only as a being of that race
ArPharazonV: and not as 11
VardaValar1: I understand
VardaValar1: When I used to use Latin or German many years ago, it was like that
VardaValar1: or Japanese, which I've completely forgotten, sadly
ArPharazonV: that switch I've had for years... which enabled me to read Lotr in full detail, at almost the same speed I'd read such a book in Dutch
ArPharazonV: of course, were I now to read the Dutch translation, it would take even longer to finish, because of me constantly being annoyed by the translation of the names ;-)
GilraenV: hehe
VardaValar1: That is an odd thing to me. Why translate Elvish?
ArPharazonV: no, like names of areas being translated
ArPharazonV: the Shire: de Gouw
ArPharazonV: Mirkwood: Demsterwold
ArPharazonV: Baggins: Balings
VardaValar1: I kind of see those two places, but not Baggins
ArPharazonV: :-) that not a place
VardaValar1: Right
ArPharazonV: Bree: Breeg
VardaValar1: I kind of see the two place names being translated, as they are English words
VardaValar1: But Baggins is a carefully worked name not in English
VardaValar1: Guess once they started messing with it, they couldn't stop : )
ArPharazonV: oh, and this: Strider: Stapper
ArPharazonV: I know it's the right translation, but it just sounds so ridiculous
Eonwe Valar: hmm, Stapper,.. the other rangers would laugh at him :}
VardaValar1: : )
Eonwe Valar: why Bree to Breeg?
ArPharazonV: I have absolutely no idea, I guess they thought it sounded cool :-)
Eonwe Valar: The "g" doesn't make it sound any fancier :}
Eonwe Valar: I guess :}
ArPharazonV: sounds more Dutch, I guess
ArPharazonV: Pippin: Pepijn.... why? why?
Eonwe Valar: and sound, not accuracy, is of course the goal :}
Eonwe Valar: Maybe their's trying to fight the Corruption of their language by Elvish or Hobbitish? :}
VardaValar1: Fangorn-Valar sympathizes. He's here on another comp by me, has no internet hookup
Eonwe Valar: Heya Fangorn :}
Eonwe Valar: I saw he was on this week :}
ArPharazonV: I would give many more names, but I would have to start the dvd... ah well, why not
VardaValar1: No you don't have to be that drastic!
Eonwe Valar: :}
VardaValar1: He did indeed get to play a little. So did Sauron and Eowyn
Eonwe Valar: congrats to thos ethree :}
VardaValar1: *eyes RotK disk by comp*
Eonwe Valar: *those three :}
VardaValar1: and Arwen and Merry
VardaValar1: I should stop now ; )
Eonwe Valar: those five :}
ArPharazonV: let's start with fotr....
Eonwe Valar: yeah, stop before we get to 9 and you have a fellowship :}
VardaValar1: afk - cooking
Eonwe Valar: ok hf :}
ArPharazonV: ah, here we go... dvd still works :-)
ArPharazonV: subtitles: dutch...
ArPharazonV: let's start:
ArPharazonV: Elves: Elfen
GilraenV: afk
ArPharazonV: Mount Doom: 'Doemberg'... oh my god, how evil is that...
ArPharazonV: Dark Lord: Donkere Vorst
Eonwe Valar: sounds like a village :}
Eonwe Valar: the furst one
Eonwe Valar: er, first one :}
Eonwe Valar: the dutch is invading my typing :}
ArPharazonV: Free Lands: Vrije Landen... meh, it will do
ArPharazonV: Middle-Earth: Midden-Aarde... well, it has to do, I suppose
Eonwe Valar: at this point, there really is no choice :}
ArPharazonV: you know, at such moments you clearly observe the flaws in Dutch Language... I mean: 'Men' = 'Mensen' it sounds stupid, although we use mensen all the time
ArPharazonV: Orcs: Orks
Eonwe Valar: so what's "Man" then
Eonwe Valar: ?
ArPharazonV: mens
ArPharazonV: or just 'man', if you mean the specific gender
Eonwe Valar: so singular Man= Mens, plural Men=Mensen
ArPharazonV: yep
ArPharazonV: oh, here's an alltime favorite... Goblins: Aardmannen
Eonwe Valar: interesting
ArPharazonV: also 'Earthmen' :-)
Eonwe Valar: even more interesting :}
ArPharazonV: you see, man in Dutch is also man in English, when spoken of the gender
ArPharazonV: so 'mannen' is Men, when spoken of the gender
ArPharazonV: and as we have just seen, 'Earth' is 'Aarde'
ArPharazonV: so, Goblins, translated to 'Aardmannen', is actually 'Earthmen'
Eonwe Valar: interesting
ArPharazonV: which would imply there are no female Goblins
ArPharazonV: you know, the difference between 'man' and 'mens' also poses another problem
ArPharazonV: in English, the Witch-King could not be defeated by a 'Man'
ArPharazonV: so he is taken down by a hobbit, so, not of the race of Men, which would give us the dutch word 'mens'
ArPharazonV: and a woman, not of the male gender, which would give the Dutch word 'man'
ArPharazonV: so, the prophecy of the Witch-King cannot be fully appropriately translated in Dutch
Eonwe Valar: ?
Eonwe Valar: I miss the problem
ArPharazonV: you see, if the word 'man' is translated from the prophecy in Dutch, we can give it two meanings: 'mens', implying the race, and 'man', implying the gender
Eonwe Valar: ah, I see
ArPharazonV: however, he is defeated by one of the male gender but not the race, and one of the race of men but not the gender
Eonwe Valar: so since the couble meanign cannot be implied here, it makes it rough to fully understand that both destroyed the Witch-King
ArPharazonV: so, in order to make that work, the word 'man' would have to be translated to mean both things
Eonwe Valar: *double meaning
ArPharazonV: and that translation can just not work, because we use a different word for each meaning
Eonwe Valar: ok I see
ArPharazonV: yes, you get it
Eonwe Valar: just tell everyoen in your country to read LotR in English :}
ArPharazonV: heheh
Eonwe Valar: everyone :}
ArPharazonV: and people who watch the movie with Dutch subtitles?
ArPharazonV: Free Peoples: Vrije Volkeren
Eonwe Valar: tell them they have hear it in the original English :}
Eonwe Valar: er, read it :}
ArPharazonV: :-)
Eonwe Valar: gwaihir returned from being away, turgon no longer idle :}
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ArPharazonV: aiyata :-)
GilraenV: *small sigh*
ArPharazonV: GilraenV has left the room.GilraenV has entered the room. you didn't miss a thing
GilraenV: hehe, thanks :-)
ArPharazonV: you may have missed the last line before your departure, though..
ArPharazonV: Eonwe Valar: gwaihir returned from being away, turgon no longer idle :}GilraenV has left the room.GilraenV has entered the room.
GilraenV: ahh, thank you :-)
ArPharazonV: and there's no telling what you missed before that... but you were probably better off :-D
Eonwe Valar: Any ideas for your next part ofthe MEO RP Pharazon?
ArPharazonV: well, I thought about it
GilraenV: LOL
GilraenV: ack lagging muchly.....
ArPharazonV: at least I would apply your ointment to the back of the wolf, although it will ease his pain, he will remain unable to fight until we are at least across the river
ArPharazonV: and he will always carry the scar, which is part of the story I have laid out for us in the far future
Eonwe Valar: my thoughts too
Eonwe Valar: the first part
ArPharazonV: and I thought about climbing the tree, which would leave Haran and the horses alone on the ground though...
Eonwe Valar: It seems all of us have someone/thing besides our saddles when we do ride
ArPharazonV: whether I remain grounded or high in the tree, I will continue the fight by throwing daggers....
Eonwe Valar: yeah, but safer that Estarion be ther for now
Eonwe Valar: My thoughts as I wrote my piece was that it'd be better not to provoke them until they strike at us
VardaValar1: slipped back in for a sec
Eonwe Valar: wb :}
ArPharazonV: but anyway, in need of a part of my big me-helvy-story I need us to need a rescue beyond our own power as soon as possible after crossing the river, is that possible?
VardaValar1: Nobody on my horse yet besides me. Who can we put there? : )
Eonwe Valar: Estarion
Eonwe Valar: Haran riding with me, Helvy injured so must be with Calion
VardaValar1: He's on someone's horse now I think
Eonwe Valar: talking about when we do make a break for it
VardaValar1: Guess he's on Hithceleb
Eonwe Valar: he's on mine right now
VardaValar1: That's how I remember it
Eonwe Valar: or was, but we moved him into the tree
VardaValar1: We were supposed to heal him up a bit, then he go on my mare
VardaValar1: goes
VardaValar1: aye
ArPharazonV: so, what do you think? can we have need of a rescue beyond our power as soon as we cross the river?
VardaValar1: Trees seem like a good place to be away from trapdoor spiders.
Eonwe Valar: depends on what you mean "beyond our power?"
VardaValar1: What about the rest of us?
VardaValar1: We have Elwing waiting on swift wings
ArPharazonV: in that it would require help from other people to rescue us from falling into the river or something
VardaValar1: Troubleshooters have trouble with the concept of beyond our power to handle
VardaValar1: although we get it
ArPharazonV: or rather, other creatures... but I will explain that if you want
Eonwe Valar: I was considering using my athelas in an attempt to freshen the air at least,.. might at least lift spirits if have no real power against the darkness,...
VardaValar1: The horses can jump it can't they
VardaValar1: Singing gets rid of the darkness
ArPharazonV: I mean, if we get beyond the river, that we are attacked by spiders waiting there for us or something
VardaValar1: we could say rains made the river wider than expected, if we need to
VardaValar1: have to use the single boat
Eonwe Valar: as I left it, I was sifting throug hmy herbs to make something to bathe Estarion's wounds,..
ArPharazonV: so we would require other help
VardaValar1: Actually, we have baddies waiting for us already
VardaValar1: Arathorn's spiders came up first, which was great fun
ArPharazonV: because, ok I will say it, I want us to be rescued by another group of wolves...
VardaValar1: But the baddies were kind of north of the path
ArPharazonV: ok, here comes the backstory
ArPharazonV: let's say the Gulhuine was used on many other beasts
VardaValar1: I have to go to the kitchen, back again later with luck
ArPharazonV: and several wolves were rescued/cured/whatever from it
ArPharazonV: they would, like Helvy, now possess an immunity for the Gulhuine, something Helvy carries as well although we just don't know it yet, and possess hatred for other Gulhuined creatures
ArPharazonV: also, they would be willing to help other creatures (like us) fight against the Gulhuined creatures, like the spiders
VardaValar1: Doesn't sound very Tolkien. Guess we could do it anyway
ArPharazonV: now, if they formed a troup, and roamed the woods beyond the river trying to survive against their Gulhuined enemies
ArPharazonV: *troop, troup, whatever
ArPharazonV: they could rescue us, and start semi-friendship with us
ArPharazonV: also, they would accept Helvy into the group, and take him off our hands for a long while
Eonwe Valar: Doesn't sound very likeyl in TOlkien's lore
ArPharazonV: as we progressed without the wolves, our story would continue without the wolves
ArPharazonV: ok, that was double.. never mind
Eonwe Valar: Also, how were these other creatures rescued? can't imagine as many people would attempt what your character did
ArPharazonV: hmm, yes, interesting detail, of which I haven't been able to get a clear answer in my mind...
Eonwe Valar: even of those darn Mirkwood Elves :}
ArPharazonV: perhaps some were immuner than others, perhaps some wolves could succeed in freeing others... whatever the cause may be, it happened :-)
ArPharazonV: and that sort of mystery and questions, is that not Tolkienish? ;-)
Eonwe Valar: I think if a wolf weren't affected it'd be dead shortly
Eonwe Valar: if it didn't run far far away
ArPharazonV: anyway, after a long time I would get corrupted by some sort of item we found on the way, what we already discussed some time ago in the forum
ArPharazonV: and, I would corrupt further and further in time, go completely paranoid, and try to kill you
ArPharazonV: and just at that point, the troop of wolves comes back again, I recognize one of them by the scar, and Helvy himself would rescue me... how, I do not know, perhaps by making some sort of sacrifice, showing how a beast can have more
ArPharazonV: compassion than me, and I would be turned once more to the good path....
Eonwe Valar: interesting
ArPharazonV: some of this may be cliche, some of this might be absurd and stupid,
ArPharazonV: but I thought it a good idea.... when I was thinking rather deeply at the moment ;-)
ArPharazonV: now, if this storyline was accepted by you guys, you would understand the need of a beyond-our-power rescue not long after crossing the river
ArPharazonV: and, of course, parts of the story will need fine-tuning, also by your suggestions
Eonwe Valar: well, your future storyline can still be used, but it's unlikely wolves would rescue Elves
Eonwe Valar: typically, when wolves are use,d its by the enemy
ArPharazonV: they would have to meet us, though, and accept Helvy into the group
ArPharazonV: just Helvy wandering off and meeting them just doesn't sound like a great idea
Eonwe Valar: There is the problem though of how Thranduil's guards would react to a wolf being brought into the heart of his realm
ArPharazonV: and, as I said, wolves cured from the Gulhuine would have immunity to its evil, and as a result be even less evil than normal wolves
Eonwe Valar: Another problem is that back in the first part, I told you that you would be responsible for that wolf, making sure it did not walk free until I had let Mirkwood's borders
Eonwe Valar: let=left
ArPharazonV: hey, can you still enforce that statement when you're being surrounded by a dozen wolves who want to accept Helvy into their group ;-)
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Eonwe Valar: Noldor have alot of pride, and even if I didn't enforce it, your character's inability to follow it would affect how Auros viewed him
Eonwe Valar: "I" rather
ArPharazonV: are you that cold-hearted that you would deny Helvy his new-found home?
Eonwe Valar: Auros is more concerned with his mission and the success of Frodo's than he is with whether or not a beast he was ready to kill found a new home.
ArPharazonV: well, then, in that case we just have to have Helvy or the other wolves save your life a few times in the few upcoming fights, then :-)
Eonwe Valar: Helvy as far as he sees is still a threat and could report his movements to Sauron's lackies.
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Eonwe Valar: wb Turgon
ArPharazonV: aiyata
TurgonjustTurgon: thx
TurgonjustTurgon: any idea why I ended up top again>
ArPharazonV: up top? no, you're on the bottom of the list
Eonwe Valar: you're at the bottom on mine as well
TurgonjustTurgon: heh
TurgonjustTurgon: then I guess my AIM's wrong :-)
ArPharazonV: :-)
TurgonjustTurgon: my list is as follows:
GilraenV: I'm off now
ArPharazonV: namarie
GilraenV: Namarie
TurgonjustTurgon: me, phar, unicorn, eonwe, oro, gilraen, varda
Eonwe Valar: take care :}
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ArPharazonV: how odd
TurgonjustTurgon: ok, strike Gilraen :-)
ArPharazonV: me, eonwe, oro, varda, unicorn, turg
ArPharazonV: and gilraen was between you and the horned horse
TurgonjustTurgon: well, possibly because I didn't shut down AIM before restarting comp and my comp's short mem has a priority over what AIM says or sumthing
ArPharazonV: ic
Eonwe Valar: Auros is not one to automatically trust someone, let alone something like a wolf.
Eonwe Valar: afk for a sec
TurgonjustTurgon: sounds rather proposterous, but only explanation I can imagine
TurgonjustTurgon: or an Avari :-)
ArPharazonV: exactly! and now he trusts you, because you were wounded while saving his life!
ArPharazonV: so, why can't Helvy do the exact same thing?
Eonwe Valar: back
Eonwe Valar: no, I still don't trust him that much :}
ArPharazonV: you know, I'm disliking Auros more with every passing minute...
Eonwe Valar: He's proven his sincerity,.. trust is a different matter
Eonwe Valar: Just because he doesn't trust Helvy?
ArPharazonV: but I guess I already made that clear in the RP...
ArPharazonV: no, not 'just'
TurgonjustTurgon: Auros is Noldo, right?
Eonwe Valar: Yes
TurgonjustTurgon: ok, in that case, Phara, DOH
Eonwe Valar: I imagine not many other than Noldor would like him anyway :}
TurgonjustTurgon: Noldo are not quick to trust and VERY secretive
TurgonjustTurgon: even Elrond was very secretive about some things
ArPharazonV: well, yes, that would be the case, yes
TurgonjustTurgon: even to his own daughter
TurgonjustTurgon: and as a Silvan, you should KNOW that
ArPharazonV: his secretiveness was also a big reason for the big disliking
Eonwe Valar: And something touching the fate of the world, he's obviously not going to share withi just anyone
VardaValar1: aiya
TurgonjustTurgon: Aiyata :-)
VardaValar1: Makes him an interesting character
ArPharazonV: the fact that he risked all our lives, without telling us anything about why he was risking our lives
VardaValar1: We can't just automatically be buddies, have to work at it
Eonwe Valar: How did he risk the lives of his group?
TurgonjustTurgon: hey, he didn't risk my live, I risked my own :-)
Eonwe Valar: er, the group
Eonwe Valar: hehe
ArPharazonV: well, the entire quest is one big life-risking job
Eonwe Valar: You took up the risk when you joined my escort
TurgonjustTurgon: besides, what Auros doesn't know is, how much Estarion knows
VardaValar1: On story point, we are supposed to be considering corruption. We can have choice whether we will dump our companions whom we are all carrying to escape the big baddies coming in from the north
VardaValar1: That could work into your wolf story
Eonwe Valar: indeed
VardaValar1: I risked my own as part of the job
ArPharazonV: what, so I dump him, he finds a troop, and then comes back generous enough to save all our lives at the moment I was going to ruin mine by ending yours?
VardaValar1: I doubt if any here would dump the one depending on him/her
TurgonjustTurgon: that certainly seems like a hint for me to wake up quickly if I don't want to end up in some spider's nest :-)
Eonwe Valar: I'm almost surprised someone didn't douse the fire and say "There Auros, stay now if you want." :} But you missed your chance, hehe :}
VardaValar1: hehe
VardaValar1: I accepted Auros as group leader
VardaValar1: Or I would already be out of there
VardaValar1: or trying to be out of there... heh
TurgonjustTurgon: you know what I think was too bad?
ArPharazonV: yeah, I guess I did too... but doesn't mean he has to leave us all ignorant
VardaValar1: It's a secret mission
VardaValar1: Soldiers are supposed to accept orders on faith in the leaders
Eonwe Valar: Auros explained his reasons for staying by the fire.
TurgonjustTurgon: Auros being too perceptive and hoist me into the trees before I could be so nice and fall of the horse :-)
VardaValar1: Mirkwood's royalty says work for him, so I will
ArPharazonV: how can he expect us to trust him if he clearly does not trust us?
VardaValar1: Trust? It's an order to obey him that I follow
TurgonjustTurgon: Phara, what rank do you have in the Silvan army?
Eonwe Valar: You trust Thranduil, do you not?
VardaValar1: I trust King Thranduil
VardaValar1: heh
ArPharazonV: I trust Thranduil, yes
ArPharazonV: and I guess I take my orders directly from him
TurgonjustTurgon: then you should trust his judgement
TurgonjustTurgon: and cope with Auros, though you do not clearly perceive why
ArPharazonV: I have not mentioned this yet, but I am of extreme importance in the Silvan army
VardaValar1: And our Prince also seems to be in on this. We are protecting him. Not sure we understand that yet
TurgonjustTurgon: well, Phara....
VardaValar1: I'm not anything more than an expendable scout, and know it
Eonwe Valar: I assumed as much since you were namign yourself as a part of Thranduil's court :}
TurgonjustTurgon: if you are, that means you have probably arisen through the ranks
TurgonjustTurgon: and then you don't know how to distrust someone you have been ORDERED to protect
Eonwe Valar: Dissention in the ranks could be interesting too :}
VardaValar1: hi Turgon : )
ArPharazonV: and it is this importance in the army which makes me not used to being left without the information
TurgonjustTurgon: serve and do your duty :-)
VardaValar1: When a King says do something, there's not a lot of room left to maneuver
TurgonjustTurgon: ok, seemingly Varda just saw that I was here as well lol :-)
VardaValar1: I saw, but too busy typing to say hi. : )
VardaValar1: Have to go back to stove
TurgonjustTurgon: hehe :-)
Eonwe Valar: I doubt Calion enjoyed it much that he was amde an escort without knowing the number
TurgonjustTurgon: haven't seen or heard that one before lol
Eonwe Valar: *made
TurgonjustTurgon: probably not
Eonwe Valar: of the group he was escorting
ArPharazonV: yes, Eonwe, and my discontent has only grown as I've understood that I understand less then I thought I understood
TurgonjustTurgon: most likely the entire escorting business would have ticked him off
Eonwe Valar: or apparently that he was only one of two people taht wereescorting him, assuming the others were not slaughtered
TurgonjustTurgon: for someone so important
TurgonjustTurgon: but what I don't understand is the following:
Eonwe Valar: Hmm that is a question I have Phar..
TurgonjustTurgon: if someone of great importance to the Mirkwood army....
ArPharazonV: well, ask, and I shall change my background accordingly
Eonwe Valar: I want to understand your background as you have it, Phar :}
ArPharazonV: I don't understand it exactly either
ArPharazonV: just made up the details ;-)
TurgonjustTurgon: would be caught up in petty jealousy of doing certain things or because of being left in the dark, I'd say Thranduil's kingdom would soon be torn by strive and war from within
TurgonjustTurgon: at least, petty jealousy and such notions often give rise to coups, as far as I know
Eonwe Valar: Thranduil was known to havea bit of a temper, no?
ArPharazonV: was he?
ArPharazonV: he was always nice to me
Eonwe Valar: remember that from somewhere, don't know where right now
TurgonjustTurgon: he could be fickle, yup
ArPharazonV: well, I never caught him in a bad mood then
TurgonjustTurgon: but other than that, he was a just ruler
Eonwe Valar: I know he was a bit rough on the Dwarves, but that could be expected, and pretty demanding about the Dragon hoard
ArPharazonV: ah, yes, the battle of the five armies... I remember that, I was there
TurgonjustTurgon: we're not talking about make-up facts now Phar, we're talking about Tolkien facts :-)
Eonwe Valar: that's where you made your rank?
ArPharazonV: in fact, I was the Elf who found Bilbo ;-) that was an elf, was it not?
Eonwe Valar: lol :}
Eonwe Valar: let's not go there :} but I think it was one of the Dwarves?
TurgonjustTurgon: if it was an Elf, it was me, anonymous, seeing the importance and going out before anyone noticed :-P
TurgonjustTurgon: :-D
Eonwe Valar: :}
Eonwe Valar: coming all the way from the East just to find a hobbit :}
ArPharazonV: no, I brought him back, and thanks to that and my efforts in the battle I rose through the ranks
TurgonjustTurgon: and your efforts were?
Eonwe Valar: I would try to avoid naming yourself as "the" guy who did anything mentioned in the books
ArPharazonV: I've been known to slay a few Goblin officers on that day...
Eonwe Valar: "An" elf in the Battle of Five Armies is one thing
TurgonjustTurgon: oooh, big deal :-)
Eonwe Valar: "The" elf who found BIlbo is another
TurgonjustTurgon: pretty standard stuff to do every few years where I come from
ArPharazonV: Turg, that was the elite force from the entire Misty Mountains on that day
ArPharazonV: a high officer in that army is a high officer indeed
TurgonjustTurgon: Phar
TurgonjustTurgon: that was THE entire force of the misty mountains
ArPharazonV: that too
TurgonjustTurgon: save of what resided in Moria
ArPharazonV: so, the elite force was certainly present
ArPharazonV: and, of those officers, I killed a few
TurgonjustTurgon: yeah, and then?
Eonwe Valar: any elite forces would've been surrounding the Chief orc
TurgonjustTurgon: do you know the surroundings of Lake Cuivienen?
ArPharazonV: elite guards would have, but not the commanders of certain Goblin divisions
TurgonjustTurgon: surrounded by hostile races?
Eonwe Valar: Why do I smell a battle of the biographies getting ready to go down? :}
TurgonjustTurgon: he can't possibly win
ArPharazonV: so, Turg, where you come from slaying countless and countless of Orcs and Goblins may be a daily routine
TurgonjustTurgon: his only major boon would be the Battle of the Five Armies
Eonwe Valar: Let's back up a bit and breath
ArPharazonV: but in the West, the Battle of the Five Armies was pretty big
TurgonjustTurgon: while I can make up ANYTHING, just because practically nothing is known of the Avari that stayed at Cuivienen
ArPharazonV: and I said I gained a few ranks, not that I immediately became a chief commander in the army
Eonwe Valar: because I was in the War of the Last Alliance, which trumps you both :}
TurgonjustTurgon: and how would you think that could trump me?
ArPharazonV: I gained a few ranks because of that battle, and used the next 50 + years to use that advantage to climb even further
TurgonjustTurgon: I will admit though, I probably won't go THAT far
ArPharazonV: and so, I got a huge position in the Silvan armor
ArPharazonV: *army
Eonwe Valar: chances are if you are in the court of thranduil you are at least a lesser noble by birth
TurgonjustTurgon: but you have to admit to me, I have pretty much limitless battles and stories at my disposal to trump the both of you
TurgonjustTurgon: any day
ArPharazonV: well, that too, Eonwe, but my dad wanted me to start low ;-)
Eonwe Valar: Depends,.. I think fighting in the Heart of Sauron's realm trumps anything since Morgoth's banishment
ArPharazonV: but my bloodline indeed helped me gain a few promotions
Eonwe Valar: but it's not about how many times we can beast eachother over the head with the countless battles we can claim to be in
ArPharazonV: so, we going colored text now?
TurgonjustTurgon: and what made you think that Ungoliant didn't trek through the lands near Cuivienen, smelling Elven blood to be sucked up?
ArPharazonV: Turgon, Ungoliant devoured herself, everybody knows that
ArPharazonV: you did not kill her
TurgonjustTurgon: and by mating with spiders indigenous (or created by Morgoth) to that region spawning the trap-door spiders?
Eonwe Valar: because TOlkien says she hid herself in Nan dungortheb and then ate herslef alive after breeding with spiders,.. I tend to go with the guy that wrote the book
TurgonjustTurgon: hey, I didn't say I killed her
TurgonjustTurgon: no, it is NEVER said she ate herself in Nan Dungortheb
TurgonjustTurgon: it IS said she went south after residing in Nan Dungortheb
TurgonjustTurgon: and it is RUMORED that she devoured herself in her own lust and hunger
Eonwe Valar: Guys, the important thing is to have a history that is believable and doesn't contradict with what TOlkien explicitly said
ArPharazonV: so, how is my history doing that? I can compromise by giving up the 'I saved Bilbo' claim
TurgonjustTurgon: I'm not saying I DID those things, or what I say is true, I'm just saying that I could state that as a possibility
Eonwe Valar: It doesn't matter how many battles your guy was in because in the end everything you build your character up as will either hurt or help its credibility
Eonwe Valar: you'll either have to tone him down when he doesn't perform up to his own standard, or you'll end up destroying everything without any need for Frodo to go throw in the ring
Eonwe Valar: I trust you guys enough to know the balance between the two :}
TurgonjustTurgon: besides, Phar would trump me with being IN the BoFA
ArPharazonV: BoFA... hm... what's that?
TurgonjustTurgon: I am a pretty young Avari, seen a few small skirmishes, but other than that, just have had great training
TurgonjustTurgon: Battle of Five Armies
ArPharazonV: oh, of course :-)
ArPharazonV: my immediate comparison with the BoLT engraved 'Book of' in my head
Eonwe Valar: Rather, I trust you guys enough to know you knwo the balance betwen the two
TurgonjustTurgon: and one of those skirmishes was one when my entire company disappeared from right behind me, possibly trap-door spides
TurgonjustTurgon: spideys*
TurgonjustTurgon: don't worry Eonwe, usually I like my char to be uber, but I'd like just a regular guy with a few skills and secrets up his sleeve this time :-)
Eonwe Valar: so you're fairly new to your people's "army" i assume?
ArPharazonV: ok, here we go... I fought in the BoFA, started out pretty low, may or may not have found Bilbo, slew a few division-officers in the goblin-army, rose through the ranks of the military of Thranduil, and ended up a high officer
TurgonjustTurgon: yes, but in the Avari military, it takes a couple decades to train before you actually get to see some action
Eonwe Valar: I use Avari as a generic Dark Elf term,.. I assume there are Avari kingdoms or clans out there
ArPharazonV: just too low to accompany Legolas to Rivendell, but enough to be entrusted with this seemingly second-priority-mission in which I have to personally escort a vain Noldo to the other side of the forest....
Eonwe Valar: vain Noldo, hehe
TurgonjustTurgon: heh, doesn't matter though
ArPharazonV: and, just missing out on the main mission, and getting stuck in an escort, ticked me off a little
Eonwe Valar: afk for a sec
TurgonjustTurgon: oh btw, when am I permitted to stand up again?
TurgonjustTurgon: I want to tug Haran's beard
ArPharazonV: not to mention the person I have to escort ticks me off a little more....
TurgonjustTurgon: hair-gnomes are a mystery to me, just as facial hair :-)
Eonwe Valar: sounds good mostly, except I wouldn't claim more than to "know" Bilbo, myself, which I do claim, having been from Rivendell :}
ArPharazonV: so excuse me for being a little ticked-off
Eonwe Valar: hey NP :} gotta go with your character :}
ArPharazonV: and when I say me, I mean Calion...
TurgonjustTurgon: besides, me tugging his beard might get me into some pretty decent hilarious trouble :-)
ArPharazonV: who, by the way, will make a GREAT night elf rogue in the Valar Guild-branch of WoW
Eonwe Valar: Just like Auros: he had said they should stay there, then everybody tried to leave,.. can't just change his mind all of a sudden, especially when he believes he's right, and that they'd be walking into a trap
TurgonjustTurgon: that, my dear Pharazon, remains to be seen, but it is not doubted that Calion will make his best effortsd
Eonwe Valar: afk for a sec
ArPharazonV: I already know dagger-using and dagger-throwing will be 2 skills a rogue can use ;-)
TurgonjustTurgon: seems like phone is ringing all the time again
TurgonjustTurgon: that doesn't necessarily mean that you will be a GREAT rogue in WoW
TurgonjustTurgon: what you do in an RP might turn out going extremely different than you had thought it to be
ArPharazonV: oh, you'll see... you'll see...
ArPharazonV: but my gnome warrior will definitely be the chef-cook of the Guild :-D
TurgonjustTurgon: GAH
TurgonjustTurgon: stupid Bliz
ArPharazonV: I mean... survival, fishing, cooking, and first aid
TurgonjustTurgon: it's july 5th
TurgonjustTurgon: and NO beta signups!
TurgonjustTurgon: ARGH
ArPharazonV: indeed, I just checked again less than a minute ago, lol
TurgonjustTurgon: I guess we will have to wait until Bliz's main time-line has caught up
TurgonjustTurgon: which is GMT - 8 btw
ArPharazonV: right, but it's already the 5th in Europe
ArPharazonV: and is Europe not what it's all about?
TurgonjustTurgon: but Bliz headquarters is in California
TurgonjustTurgon: which is 9 hours earlier than here
TurgonjustTurgon: so still 6 hours of waiting to do
ArPharazonV: and is the European HQ not in France?
TurgonjustTurgon: and besides, first come first serve doesn't work
ArPharazonV: which is, incidently, the same timezone as here?
TurgonjustTurgon: they are asleep in France right now
TurgonjustTurgon: you do know the Bliz credo, right?
ArPharazonV: what, sleep at night, work all day?
TurgonjustTurgon: "Keep it cool, keep it easy, we will deliver..... some day"
ArPharazonV: I thought it was 'easy to learn, hard to master'
ArPharazonV: which would go for each and every game they have ever made
TurgonjustTurgon: more like "cheat 'n be banned"
TurgonjustTurgon: did you know that?
TurgonjustTurgon: they are actually going to ban comps through accounts that abuse bugs and use cheats in WoW
ArPharazonV: no, I thought, officially, that was their game-policy... easy to learn, hard to master
ArPharazonV: really?
TurgonjustTurgon: well, not as I said it
ArPharazonV: IP-bans, right?
TurgonjustTurgon: but they did mention sumthin like easier to track and disable cheats due to personalized accounts
Eonwe Valar: Gonna be afk for a while. In case I don't get to say it, thanks for the interesting RP chat :}
TurgonjustTurgon: IP-bans don't work on the big cheaters
TurgonjustTurgon: thx Eonwe
ArPharazonV: so, how are we supposed to know if it's a bug or an intentional feature?
TurgonjustTurgon: and happy Independence day / 4th of july!
Eonwe Valar: Thanks :}
ArPharazonV: namarie, Eonwe
TurgonjustTurgon: only the wilfull abuse of a bug can get you banned
ArPharazonV: don't forget to... ah man, can't think of anything witty and appropriate
TurgonjustTurgon: IP-addresses are too easy to circumvent for the hardcore cheaters
ArPharazonV: will they be making the exact 'bugs' known to the players, so they know what they shouldn't do?
TurgonjustTurgon: but of course, they too will be discouraged to cheat, because every time an acocunt becomes IP-banned, they will have to start again and buy new game time lol
TurgonjustTurgon: never played an MMO, right?
TurgonjustTurgon: MMO's are patched at AT LEAST a weekly basis
TurgonjustTurgon: sometimes even several patches a week
TurgonjustTurgon: bugs are continually found and repaired, new bugs are created by repairing some other bug, thus new patches are imminent
TurgonjustTurgon: just the BIG patches don't come very often
TurgonjustTurgon: usually, it's just a few kb
ArPharazonV: the BIG patches are called expansions, and can be bought extra ;-)
TurgonjustTurgon: not really
TurgonjustTurgon: those are HUGE MONSTROUS patches
TurgonjustTurgon: and the "normal" HUGE patches can mostly be downloaded somewhere (which are free add-ons)
ArPharazonV: so, we have patches, BIG patches, HUGE patches, and HUGE MONSTROUS patches?
TurgonjustTurgon: DaoC experience ya know :-)
VardaValar1: Hi
ArPharazonV: aiyata
TurgonjustTurgon: wb :-)
VardaValar1: Just here for a short bit
TurgonjustTurgon: I am right tho, Varda?
VardaValar1: In MeO, which is our rp, we are all young elves
TurgonjustTurgon: xcept for Auros
TurgonjustTurgon: he's quite old
ArPharazonV: right, and what is young for an Elf?
VardaValar1: Not experienced
VardaValar1: Legolas was a young elf
VardaValar1: And he was over 500 for absolutely sure
ArPharazonV: I mean, I don't even have to be 100 years old to make my background work
VardaValar1: Nifty huh?
TurgonjustTurgon: yeah, if you look at it that way, we are young
VardaValar1: But we do have to be careful about saying we were a particular Elf who did a particular thing
TurgonjustTurgon: I was observing from mortal eyes tho :-)
VardaValar1: We need to be a bit away from people who did the actual nit-picky things
ArPharazonV: that's why I said I may or may not have been a particular Elf who may or may not have done a particular Elf ;-)
VardaValar1: You could be in the Battle of Five Armies
VardaValar1: hehe
ArPharazonV: *thing
ArPharazonV: whatever
TurgonjustTurgon: lol
VardaValar1: I only have a few minutes to be in here at a time
TurgonjustTurgon: that sounded rather X-rated to me :-P
ArPharazonV: that came out sooo the wrong way...
VardaValar1: Anything specific
VardaValar1: We know what you meant, it's ok
ArPharazonV: I'm actually laughing here...
TurgonjustTurgon: who wouldn't, such typo's are actually the funny ones :-)
ArPharazonV: harder than I've ever done for text or comics or whatever on the computer
VardaValar1: We do need to remember our theme is corruption
VardaValar1: but it's in the story...
ArPharazonV: perhaps I'm just too tired to control myself...
VardaValar1: Sorry, must learn to resist
VardaValar1: Corruption, how do we work it in?
TurgonjustTurgon: hmmm
VardaValar1: It does not have to be object
TurgonjustTurgon: maybe I could work it in for me, by being consumed by vengeance
VardaValar1: This problem between races is interesting
ArPharazonV: I volunteered some time ago to be the corrupted one, and I still do
VardaValar1: All have to deal with corruption coming at us and trying to resist
VardaValar1: It is a thing that comes in degrees
TurgonjustTurgon: just as I said in the song, I could be totally encompassed by it, and not mind anyone anymore
VardaValar1: sneaks up
VardaValar1: I may have to tie you up and leave you at the palace for cellar fodder
TurgonjustTurgon: if you could :-)
ArPharazonV: right, and as I said, I could slowly become paranoid, and eventually trying to kill you all for being obstacles in the task that must be done
VardaValar1: Not by myself : )
VardaValar1: o goodie
VardaValar1: We might notice the change
VardaValar1: Already suspicious
TurgonjustTurgon: you could always have a try :-)
VardaValar1: I would not be alone if I tried. : )
ArPharazonV: yeah, you might, once I start with the stabbity goodness....
TurgonjustTurgon: of course not
VardaValar1: That would be a clue : )
TurgonjustTurgon: but then again, if you got others to help you, you might get to be considered enemy, and therefore be encompassed within my lust for vengence
ArPharazonV: note: that term was used from 8-bit theatre, a web-comic I myself am a fan of
VardaValar1: Interesting we are not picking on the dwarf much. Natural target
TurgonjustTurgon: already am :-)
VardaValar1: stabbity goodness sounds like Buffy
TurgonjustTurgon: going to tug his beard once or twice
VardaValar1: I have to get back to the kitchen
TurgonjustTurgon: have been planning that ever since I got into the RP
VardaValar1: Dark is coming fast
ArPharazonV: already here
VardaValar1: Fireworks will be upon us : )
ArPharazonV: not here :-)
VardaValar1: heh - didn't mean sunlight
TurgonjustTurgon: sun is coming up in a couple hours :-)
TurgonjustTurgon: hour and half I tihnk
VardaValar1: I'll scroll, sorry to have missed Eonwe
ArPharazonV: yes, and I'm going to bed soon
TurgonjustTurgon: oh
VardaValar1: I think he is doing a great job with the Noldo persona : )
TurgonjustTurgon: and to you too, happy independence day / 4th of july
ArPharazonV: the Noldo will
ArPharazonV: definitely be my first target
VardaValar1: Mine might be acting a bit too barbaric. Wanted a contrast
VardaValar1: My gal kind of finds the Noldo attractive : )
TurgonjustTurgon: and mine has not had enough actions to be fully scrutinized :-)
VardaValar1: That might mean she will fight the thought though
TurgonjustTurgon: besides, Avari are myteries, and I intend to keep it that way
VardaValar1: Long as you know what you are, just peachy
ArPharazonV: I think mine has been defined enough for now
TurgonjustTurgon: I like misleading Auros
VardaValar1: I know my character pretty well, trying to keep it in line
VardaValar1: Auros is supposed to be the one we are taking care of
VardaValar1: We are supposed to do this for our King
TurgonjustTurgon: I am not :-)
VardaValar1: heh
VardaValar1: Well, Calion and I
ArPharazonV: right, we are, and yet I can't stand him
VardaValar1: Doesn't matter
VardaValar1: But makes for fun story : )
ArPharazonV: my duty at all times is to protect the kingdom and the nature around me
VardaValar1: I have to like him since you don't
VardaValar1: Tolkien stories the wolves are always baddies
TurgonjustTurgon: and I can do whatever I want to do :-)
ArPharazonV: and by nature I mean the wildlife too, including salvageable wolves
VardaValar1: Helvy is an exception, has been turned at least temporarily
VardaValar1: If Helvy is like a real wolf, and accepted us as his pack, he would not be likely to turn on us
VardaValar1: But he's no pup
ArPharazonV: well, if you read my story above, you would see he's not the only turned wolf
TurgonjustTurgon: and then it would be easier for gim to turn on me
VardaValar1: I read
TurgonjustTurgon: since wolves don't easily accept new animals into their pack
ArPharazonV: he may not be a pup, but he's a lonely soul nonetheless
VardaValar1: He is looking for a new pack
VardaValar1: You are it so far, maybe your friends
VardaValar1: Depends on how you act towards your companions, probably
ArPharazonV: right, and no other pack has so much in common with him as the pack I mentioned above
VardaValar1: Packs don't easily accept new members
TurgonjustTurgon: just do remember, the wolf can sense your distrust of Auros, and may act upon it
ArPharazonV: the pack might see that
VardaValar1: Good luck to him
TurgonjustTurgon: even though you do not wish it
VardaValar1: I will protect Auros, as my duty, even against Helvy for whom I have no malice
ArPharazonV: the pack will accept him, as they see he is one of them
TurgonjustTurgon: I sense some admin malice coming up :-D
VardaValar1: nahhh
VardaValar1: Just story stuff
VardaValar1: I like all here : )
TurgonjustTurgon: of course
ArPharazonV: in fact, the pack itself has gathered together from unrelated individuals over time
VardaValar1: I like that grin smiley
TurgonjustTurgon: but since Helvy IS a wolf what if he does turn renegade?
TurgonjustTurgon: who controls him?
VardaValar1: Auros told us his terms for accepting Helvy
ArPharazonV: did he?
VardaValar1: Yes
TurgonjustTurgon: yep
TurgonjustTurgon: but trouble is
TurgonjustTurgon: wolves, have an altered perception
ArPharazonV: what may be his terms?
ArPharazonV: can't recall
VardaValar1: As long as Helvy stays with you and you keep him in line, he is ok
ArPharazonV: oh, right
VardaValar1: Otherwise, he may report to the bad guys and we have to kill him if he leaves us
TurgonjustTurgon: and since his "master" doesn't like Auros in the least bit, and distrusting him, while Auros distrusts Helvy, Helvy might take matters into his own hands and try to end it
ArPharazonV: I will keep him in line long enough for the arrival of the pack
TurgonjustTurgon: question remains
VardaValar1: We can have our baddies who are trying to have us driven to them be your scary problem
ArPharazonV: and if the pack accepts Helvy, and Auros goes after him, he will be torn to pieces by the entire pack, so I don't think he'd do that
TurgonjustTurgon: if you want to let corruption loose on everyone, why not Helvy?
VardaValar1: Helvy was already corrupted and came back from it
VardaValar1: Corruption does not have to take us. We are offered choices
ArPharazonV: Helvy has thereby gained an immunity to that cloud of corruption
VardaValar1: We can be slightly corrupted and pull back, redeem ourselves
TurgonjustTurgon: yes, but corruption itself is not spawned alone by that cloud
VardaValar1: We seem to have forgotten singing shoves the cloud back
VardaValar1: Corruption is from many things. Mistrust is one
VardaValar1: We have to conquer mistrust or we will act wrongly
TurgonjustTurgon: for example, you are already well on the way of corruption, because of your dislike and distrust of the one you should be escorting without question
TurgonjustTurgon: and THAT is not the doing of Gulhuine
ArPharazonV: indeed, it is not
VardaValar1: I have to go to the kitchen
ArPharazonV: but true to my nature and duty, I will not act on that mistrust
ArPharazonV: unless it is further greatened, perhaps by the Gulhuine
TurgonjustTurgon: so, Helvy acting upon your mistrust will cause him to corrupt, and he is not immune to corruption not generated by Gulhuine
ArPharazonV: Helvy will not be with us that long to be so corrupted
TurgonjustTurgon: I doubt that
TurgonjustTurgon: it doesn't require HIS corruption either
TurgonjustTurgon: it just requires of his *perception* of what you FEEL
ArPharazonV: I'm elf enough to shelter my mistrust largely even from him
VardaValar1: aiya
TurgonjustTurgon: and if your distrust and dislike of Auros might send you into a rage you can barely control, Helvy might just attack
VardaValar1: We feel your mistrust, let alone so sensitive a creature to body and voice as a wolf
TurgonjustTurgon: but you COULD add that to your story
VardaValar1: Helvy will be very wary of Auros, because you are. This is fine, good story
VardaValar1: Conflict makes a story
TurgonjustTurgon: perhaps, Helvy attacks Auros, becuase of your feelings....
ArPharazonV: ok, enough with the orange...
TurgonjustTurgon: you manage to prevent him from wounding Auros
ArPharazonV: what, and Auros attacks Helvy instead?
VardaValar1: If he tries to wound Auros, Helvy will be dead
TurgonjustTurgon: but since Helvy has attacked, he is no longer welcome, so you send him away for his own safety
VardaValar1: I will try to kill him if Auros does not
VardaValar1: It is my duty to protect Auros
VardaValar1: Guess you and I are about to cross up
ArPharazonV: I still say he is taken into another group without causing more conflict
TurgonjustTurgon: it depends on how quickly both of you would react and how soon Phara would position himself between Helvy and you
TurgonjustTurgon: but let me finish
VardaValar1: I wonder what Haran will do meanwhile?
ArPharazonV: Haran's asleep, let him
TurgonjustTurgon: once Helvy has gained his escape, somehow...
TurgonjustTurgon: he will run into that pack Phara mentioned
TurgonjustTurgon: take control of it
ArPharazonV: ah yes
TurgonjustTurgon: and follow Phara from a ways
VardaValar1: Take control of it? Sounds weird
ArPharazonV: I've got it! I've got it!
TurgonjustTurgon: as leader
TurgonjustTurgon: BUT
TurgonjustTurgon: lemme finish
VardaValar1: Just type : )
TurgonjustTurgon: as gratitude for saving him from the certain death he would have faced at Fainan's or Auros' hands, he saves Calion later on
VardaValar1: and try to kill us? : )
ArPharazonV: indeed there will be a conflict, I will put myself between you guys and Helvy, Helvy will run, meet pack etc., and when he saves my life again, it happens in the exact same way
TurgonjustTurgon: and thereby redeems himself *possibly* to you guys
VardaValar1: He would love Calion and hate us.
ArPharazonV: I will try to kill you eventually, but you are combined more powerful than me
TurgonjustTurgon: not necessarily
ArPharazonV: so, Helvy places himself between me and you guys, just like I did earlier
VardaValar1: If we tried to kill him, Helvy would not love us
TurgonjustTurgon: it could perceive that when Calion saves him, it is because of Calion
TurgonjustTurgon: 's own corruption
VardaValar1: How would it know that?
TurgonjustTurgon: because
TurgonjustTurgon: 1) it would attack based on Calion's feelings
ArPharazonV: so, as you prepare to strike me down for threatening you, Helvy will come in, and save me...
TurgonjustTurgon: 2) Calion would then defend Auros, retracting those feelings
VardaValar1: We do not kinslay
ArPharazonV: ok, other way around then
TurgonjustTurgon: strike him down and tie him up :-)
VardaValar1: Righto
TurgonjustTurgon: OR
TurgonjustTurgon: Helvy might come in to save YOU as Calion is about to kinslay
ArPharazonV: when Helvy attacks you, I stand between, defend Auros, retract those feelings indeed
ArPharazonV: Helvy sees his wrongs, leaves, joins pack
TurgonjustTurgon: and exits story for a while
VardaValar1: He did no wrong. Did as you seemed to want. Will be confused
ArPharazonV: later, I threaten to kill you, Helvy stands between, defends you guys, and I see what I have become
TurgonjustTurgon: stop Phara
TurgonjustTurgon: before you go any further
VardaValar1: Helvy would not defend us
TurgonjustTurgon: why would you threaten Fainan?
ArPharazonV: as I said, in time I will become corrupted, by some reason or another
TurgonjustTurgon: and why Auros, since your feelings would have been retracted since Helvy's attack
Eonwe Valar has left the room.
ArPharazonV: those feelings will have retracted beyond the sight of even the wolf
ArPharazonV: but not completely gone
TurgonjustTurgon: I would not base an entire storyline on that
ArPharazonV: in time, it will return, and my corruption will grow once more
TurgonjustTurgon: then the wolf would be confused
TurgonjustTurgon: or actually not
TurgonjustTurgon: only more resolved
ArPharazonV: I will end up attacking Auros, you protect him, and I attack you both
TurgonjustTurgon: since the last emotion it got from you would still be mistrust
ArPharazonV: then Helvy comes in....
TurgonjustTurgon: who says, I defend Auros?
ArPharazonV: and THAT is where the Gulhuine comes in
ArPharazonV: I meant Fainan, Turg
VardaValar1: Helvy would protect you, his friend. He does not care about elf kinslaying prohibitions
TurgonjustTurgon: you are basing your story on too many other people
TurgonjustTurgon: and besides
ArPharazonV: for you see, my corruption is partly accelerated by the Gulhuine
TurgonjustTurgon: even though I brought up the story
TurgonjustTurgon: you would leave me out of your calculations
ArPharazonV: what would you do, Turg?
TurgonjustTurgon: it could just very well be that as you send Helvy on his way after his attack, I strike him down
TurgonjustTurgon: or it could be that I block off Haran trying to strike him down
ArPharazonV: I still know I'll be so corrupted by both mistrust and Gulhuine I'll try to kill you all
VardaValar1: Border guards may strike Helvy down
TurgonjustTurgon: the point is, you plan WAY too far ahead with WAY too many unknown factors
ArPharazonV: and when I try, Helvy comes, sees the Gulhuine in me, develops some sort of hatred against it in me, and therefore defends you guys
VardaValar1: He would not defend us. He does not like us.
ArPharazonV: which makes me see my wrongs, and I am cured
VardaValar1: We would probably kill him on sight
ArPharazonV: he hates the Gulhuine in me more than he dislikes you
TurgonjustTurgon: trouble is, we might not recognize that, and slay Helvy to get him out of our way to get you down and tied up
Eonwe Valar has left the room.
VardaValar1: He would not defend us from you, and might just leave you if he sees you have the Gulhuine
TurgonjustTurgon: more likely, I think that Helvy would wait until you have dispatched of us before getting the Gulhuine out of you
TurgonjustTurgon: 2 flies in 1 stroke
VardaValar1: That woule be very smart of him
VardaValar1: We would not really believe you would kinslay
TurgonjustTurgon: so, as I said, too many unknown factors
ArPharazonV: or he has flashbacks, sees how I saved him from the Gulhuine, and sees my actions are following the Gulhuine
TurgonjustTurgon: Pharazon
ArPharazonV: and therefore tries to prevent my actions by defending you...
VardaValar1: I had an arrow aimed at an elf chest, but intended to hit a shoulder. Just had it in easy spot to move
ArPharazonV: what?
TurgonjustTurgon: as soon as Helvy leaves your care, you lose control of him
ArPharazonV: right, I know that
ArPharazonV: therefore he has no hatred of you guys either
TurgonjustTurgon: which means, admin malice might disturb your dreams
ArPharazonV: and when he comes (which I will control), he has no hatred for you anymore, just for the Gulhuine inside of me
TurgonjustTurgon: or actually, anyone could do, since he would be considered an open NPC
ArPharazonV: and attacks me before I can hurt you
TurgonjustTurgon: and just as he attacks, an arrow zips past from Fainan, ripping up Helvy's throat
ArPharazonV: I die, Helvy is redeemed, and I continue the RP from the mind of Helvy
VardaValar1: Helvy has no reason to care about us, just you until you are full of Gulhuine anyway
TurgonjustTurgon: because he is attacking you and Fainan thinks you can be cured
VardaValar1: No one else wants to keep Helvy
VardaValar1: I could not allow Helvy to kill an Elf if I could help it
ArPharazonV: he's a stubborn wolf, especially with 20 others at his side ;-)
TurgonjustTurgon: Phara, please take this advice to heart, don't plan so far ahead
TurgonjustTurgon: too many unknowns
ArPharazonV: I need to plan far ahead to construct the necessary preparations in the closer future
VardaValar1: We will probably kill Helvy before you get that far
TurgonjustTurgon: which could mean that your ENTIRE storyline is getting ruined, just because others do what you did not intend to
ArPharazonV: we'll see, we'll see
ArPharazonV: but we have to decide now on 1 situation
TurgonjustTurgon: the biggest problem with planning far ahead in RP is that you need optimal cooperation to make it work
VardaValar1: That's peachy, but get an alternate storyline
Eonwe Valar has entered the room.
TurgonjustTurgon: and you will get no such thing from me
VardaValar1: We are not cooperative with keeping Helvy around, so you have a problem
VardaValar1: Aiyata : )
TurgonjustTurgon: Aiyata
ArPharazonV: the arrival of the pack, or the attack of Helvy, one of the two will happen
Eonwe Valar: Hantalye :}
ArPharazonV: aiyata
Eonwe Valar: Hantal :}
TurgonjustTurgon: neither will anyone else in my presence get any certainty about what I will do
TurgonjustTurgon: except for some minor things
Eonwe Valar: I almost caught up with you guys, then AIM crashed
ArPharazonV: it is up to you now which one it is, for I will control Helvy until he's gone
VardaValar1: You know the stance Auros and I will have to have about Helvy
VardaValar1: If you are not controlling him, we have to prevent him from telling about us by killing him
TurgonjustTurgon: unless I see some certain things to be done, my cooperation can be gained, otherwise, I am a mystery, doing what I deem to be good, and if I ruin your so carefully constructed storyline, don't come telling me I didn't warn you
ArPharazonV: ok, the entire future is a mystery for now, perhaps it will turn out the way I hope, perhaps it won't
VardaValar1: I have guests and family ready to eat, afk
Eonwe Valar: Who's the warning to, Turgon?
VardaValar1: All of us ;-)
TurgonjustTurgon: everyone actually :-)
Eonwe Valar: hehe :}
TurgonjustTurgon: it doesn't mean I will just do random things
ArPharazonV: but that still means 1 of the 2 suggestions I will start in my story
TurgonjustTurgon: it just means that I might do some unexpected things
VardaValar1: Don't be too eager to kill off your char and leave us with Helvy
TurgonjustTurgon: just like the recognition of Auros' wound
ArPharazonV: so it is up to you to decide what is better
VardaValar1: or you may have to make a new char
VardaValar1: A hobbit maybe ; )
TurgonjustTurgon: hehe :-)
VardaValar1: afk, will scroll I hope
ArPharazonV: the arrival of the pack to save us from danger, or the attack of Helvy towards Auros, which is more suitable?
TurgonjustTurgon: I don't want to get myself killed :-)
VardaValar1: been saving our chat, Eonwe
Eonwe Valar: grat :}
Eonwe Valar: great even :}
TurgonjustTurgon: either way, we'll most likely end up with one or more dead wolves
ArPharazonV: but I'm going, you will have to tell me some other time what is best to be used
VardaValar1: Hope the fur is better on these : )
TurgonjustTurgon: hahaha 8-)
VardaValar1: You know what we have to do
VardaValar1: If you force us, we will do it or be out of charactree
VardaValar1: ooc
VardaValar1: afk
ArPharazonV: I know... and I will do what I will, so.. we'll see
ArPharazonV: namarie for now
TurgonjustTurgon: and with my char being a mystery, you can count on anything coming from me :-)
TurgonjustTurgon: dependant on my current mood and such :-)
ArPharazonV: you're in a coma, Turg, keep it that way
TurgonjustTurgon: hey
Eonwe Valar: Does your charactre have any MO?
TurgonjustTurgon: you don't know anything about the physical toughness the Avari might have
TurgonjustTurgon: MO?
TurgonjustTurgon: Massive Onlines?
Eonwe Valar: Method/Means of Operation? In other words, what helps him decide what he does?
ArPharazonV: bye
TurgonjustTurgon: Namarie Phar
Eonwe Valar: take care
ArPharazonV: namarie, mara lome, all that
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TurgonjustTurgon: only that what he thinks right to do
Eonwe Valar: We know enough to know that they can be injured like any other Elf Turg. Just because he's an Avar doesn't mean he's super-Elven :}
TurgonjustTurgon: of course not
TurgonjustTurgon: he took a good smack to the head jumping down a tree like that
TurgonjustTurgon: but no-one has ever taken (or had the chance to) to assess the actual injuries
TurgonjustTurgon: that way, I have some leniency in my recovery time
Eonwe Valar: I was going to say you dislocated your shoulder,.. getting it back in the socke twill be fun :}
TurgonjustTurgon: right or left shoulder?
TurgonjustTurgon: hmmmz, sunrise lol
Eonwe Valar: depends on which way you dove at the creature in front of me? I'd say the closest to the ground
Eonwe Valar: the way I imagined it, the right shoulder
TurgonjustTurgon: then I'd say my right shoulder
TurgonjustTurgon: hehe
TurgonjustTurgon: let's see
TurgonjustTurgon: I was on the left side of the camp
TurgonjustTurgon: rushing behind Fainan through the trees
Eonwe Valar: that's your sword arm ,I assume? or are you a lefty like me? :}
TurgonjustTurgon: luckily, I am a lefty :-)
Eonwe Valar: hehe
Eonwe Valar: same here, my shield -arm, where I was injured, is my right arm :}
TurgonjustTurgon: hehe :-)
TurgonjustTurgon: well, I guess that when you resocket my shoulder, my blood-curdling scream might just do the trick in chasing the darn spiders away :-)
Eonwe Valar: hehe :}
Eonwe Valar: I figured,lucky you, that you'd still be out :}
Eonwe Valar: not fun to have a dislocated shoulder :}
TurgonjustTurgon: heh
TurgonjustTurgon: maybe not so lucky then
TurgonjustTurgon: as I was thinking of waking up partially when being hoisted up into the tree
Eonwe Valar: you intend to wake up before I set your shoulder?
Eonwe Valar: ah :}
Eonwe Valar: well, ok :}
TurgonjustTurgon: I think I'll extend that to when my shoulder is resocketed :-)
TurgonjustTurgon: but I'm not sure yet :-)
TurgonjustTurgon: maybe I'll stay out cold during the resocketing
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TurgonjustTurgon: and just maybe, when I wake up during you're resocketing skills, I might just scream your head off
Eonwe Valar: ?
Eonwe Valar: Scream my head off? :}
TurgonjustTurgon: yes
Eonwe Valar: think I'll have to have you bite down on something :}
TurgonjustTurgon: waking up when having your shoulder resocketed isn't fun
TurgonjustTurgon: or so I've heard
TurgonjustTurgon: :-D
TurgonjustTurgon: anyways, that's for me to ponder about and for you to guess about :-)
TurgonjustTurgon: as I said, like to be myterious
Eonwe Valar: think you might be amking yourself tooo mysterious? :}
TurgonjustTurgon: mysterious*
Eonwe Valar: making even :}
TurgonjustTurgon: how so?
Eonwe Valar: don't know yet :}
Eonwe Valar: just seems from your descriptions, that no one will be able to know anything about you
TurgonjustTurgon: if the RP would be no game, but reality, no one could count on anyone doing what they would like at all times
TurgonjustTurgon: they will know a lot of things
TurgonjustTurgon: and people can make certain predictions on what I will know / do in certain situations, based on the facts and history of the char I have given
TurgonjustTurgon: but other than that, in events that do not directly affect me, small funny moments, I will remain an enigma
TurgonjustTurgon: just as any person would be in a real story
Eonwe Valar: oh, well that's fine :}
TurgonjustTurgon: I mean, you have now and then days when you still surprise your mom and dad, right?
Eonwe Valar: Just from what you were saying it was like I could take nothing you said or did at face value
Eonwe Valar: Probably, I don't usually think about it :}
TurgonjustTurgon: no, what I say, I am true to
TurgonjustTurgon: I build a decent character, RP to my best ability
TurgonjustTurgon: which means I will use every crack through the maze of RP's that I can find to use in my advantage
TurgonjustTurgon: but when I guarantee I will do something, then I will do that
Eonwe Valar: should amke for interesting dealings
Eonwe Valar: *make
Eonwe Valar: you're not going to go around reading each of us like a book are you? :}
TurgonjustTurgon: or when I say that in my history the friends I have had I have defended in the face of death, and I say that I have made a friend, for example of Auros, I will indeed defend him at ANY given time
TurgonjustTurgon: why would I?
TurgonjustTurgon: unless you are making all your actions so obvious
Eonwe Valar: You at one time alluded to something similar :}
TurgonjustTurgon: ooc that is :-)
TurgonjustTurgon: which means I still have all options open :-)
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TurgonjustTurgon: anyways, that's always the danger of writing down the thoughts of a char in RP
TurgonjustTurgon: it might give some indepth info on the character, but might also reveal too much of the char, and that you might want to reserve for later
Eonwe Valar: When I give Auros' thought in my posts, that's for reader understanding, not for character knowledge unless otherwise directed, like when i said I glanced at the rest of the group when you first showed up.
TurgonjustTurgon: like, when we met, I could have started off with my story right away
TurgonjustTurgon: instead, I went to the fire and sang a song, and before being able to tell my story, we were attacked
TurgonjustTurgon: also, the order of events you tell your characters history in, could be very useful for actual character building
TurgonjustTurgon: well, even though I think "reader understanding" is a noble thing, I hardly think it
TurgonjustTurgon: 's necessary, since we're all gifted amongst each other
Eonwe Valar: ? explain
TurgonjustTurgon: (can't find the correct word for having high intelligence [or simply IQ's]
Eonwe Valar: geniuses? :}
TurgonjustTurgon: that would be one step further than intended :-)
Eonwe Valar: :}
TurgonjustTurgon: but very smart at least :-)
TurgonjustTurgon: anyways
Eonwe Valar: Well, consider Auros for instance.
TurgonjustTurgon: let me try to explain why I think it's not necessary
Eonwe Valar: OK, I'll let you go, then I'll rebut :}
TurgonjustTurgon: we're all smart enough to understand most of why Auro's does things, mostly based on his thoughts before
TurgonjustTurgon: and his actions
TurgonjustTurgon: Auros'*
TurgonjustTurgon: other than that, it only gives more detailed information that might be mixed up in "faint-knowledge"
TurgonjustTurgon: that which you, as a player, know, but which your character cannot know
TurgonjustTurgon: a very hard way to RP, if I say so myself
TurgonjustTurgon: and even though I admit, I can RP pretty decently, I am not very skilled in keeping that sort of things apart
Eonwe Valar: I try to be careful about such things, reading posts several times before actually adding mine to make sure it fits right
TurgonjustTurgon: which is exactly why I refuse to read the first part of the RP, since I wasn't there, and simply don't know it
Eonwe Valar: fair enough
TurgonjustTurgon: anyways, even though you want readers to know what you're talking about, why do that in character, when you have an OOC thread for that sort of stuff?
Eonwe Valar: I don't always give the thoughts of my character (at least hope I don't) , nor usually in great detail, unless I want to reflect his planning
TurgonjustTurgon: well, usually, there's at least one thought
TurgonjustTurgon: and most of what I've seen is pretty detailed
Eonwe Valar: It adds a depth that shows he's simply not reactionary, and gives a different division rather than "he thought for a moment" or "he sat in thought"
Eonwe Valar: *not simply
Eonwe Valar: Otherwise he may be mistaken simply for a "vain Noldo." I wanted to show something slightly deeper in him
TurgonjustTurgon: true, but that can also be reached by being a bit more cryptive, without using thoughts
TurgonjustTurgon: like in the last post, you could alter it to have the same effect
TurgonjustTurgon: for example:
TurgonjustTurgon: He stood still for a few seconds, pondering upon what to do next, would they move, or stay? As he considered both options, he thought of the consequences of both and made his decision, before turning to the dwarf.
TurgonjustTurgon: well, not exactly for the last one, but the one before that :-)
TurgonjustTurgon: but it's an example, in which you attain the same indepth for your character, without giving too much thought details away
Eonwe Valar: But then what is obvious to Auros, and hopefully the others in the group, may be lost on the reader
Eonwe Valar: Why would he choos eto stay? everyone was ready to run
TurgonjustTurgon: why would the reader need to know that right away?
TurgonjustTurgon: if the characters don't know, the reader doesn't need to know either
Eonwe Valar: assuming you're looking for a perspective of limited third-person
TurgonjustTurgon: besides, it takes the possibility away of the party coming up to Auros after the battle confronting him with the question why they stayed
TurgonjustTurgon: because players already know the reason, they tend to forget to do such things in RP
Eonwe Valar: no it doesn't, just makes it so I either repeat my thoughts in shorter form, or it gets glazed over
TurgonjustTurgon: you're probably right, just that I am not familiar with RP'ing like that and I don't know exactly to handle it
TurgonjustTurgon: just seems to me my way is better :-)
Eonwe Valar: :}
TurgonjustTurgon: then again, so it would probably seem to you about your way as well :-D
Eonwe Valar: I admit i probably don't need all of the smaller thoughts in there, but I write how I am inspired to, and this is the way I've chosen to portray Auros :}
TurgonjustTurgon: then you should continue to do so, even through my best efforts to dissuade you to do so :-)
Eonwe Valar: :}
Eonwe Valar: agreed :} we will agree to disagree :}
TurgonjustTurgon: I don't disagree, I just don't agree fully with you
TurgonjustTurgon: anyways
Eonwe Valar: heheyou just disagreed with my agreement :}
Eonwe Valar: indeed, anyway :}
TurgonjustTurgon: LOL yup :-)
TurgonjustTurgon: I will keep my character as I have intended him
Eonwe Valar: Did Haran get knocked out or something?
Eonwe Valar: I keep hearing he did but don't recall Arathorn saying he did
TurgonjustTurgon: if you don't know how or why Estarion does something, you'd better ask in character, or you will never know :-)
Eonwe Valar: hehe
Eonwe Valar: or just brood and mistrust him :}
TurgonjustTurgon: last thing I heard from Arathorn was that he threw a couple of daggers towards the big spidey
TurgonjustTurgon: aye
TurgonjustTurgon: but that's exactly why Estarion jumped out of that tree
TurgonjustTurgon: actually, 2 reasons
TurgonjustTurgon: not counting writers reasons :-)
TurgonjustTurgon: 1) it would help in gaining some trust
TurgonjustTurgon: which is why I wrote that thought with it, when I wrote that RP
TurgonjustTurgon: 2) to be true what I said in the song I wrote, we defend our comrades at all costs
Eonwe Valar: well, I haven't decided yet, but you may get a "master Estarion" out of it, one up from the distrustful "Estarion"
Eonwe Valar: not up to the familiar "haran" yet though :}
Eonwe Valar: one thing that's hard to portray well in the RP
Eonwe Valar: or rather in your case, the familiar "Estarion"
Eonwe Valar: and put "that's" in front of "one"
Eonwe Valar: You've gone up in Auros' view for your sacrifice,.. how much I yet do not know
TurgonjustTurgon: we'll see in due time :-)
TurgonjustTurgon: possibly when I scream your head off when you resocket my shoulder :-D
Eonwe Valar: :}
Eonwe Valar: hehe
Eonwe Valar: afk for a sec
TurgonjustTurgon: oh yeah, got some news for WoW
TurgonjustTurgon: it's 8 chars per server
Eonwe Valar: back
Eonwe Valar: 8 per server?
Eonwe Valar: that's good news
VardaValar1: Aiya
VardaValar1: Just came in from watching fireworks going off in all directions
Eonwe Valar: same, only a few minutes earlier :}
Eonwe Valar: Aiyata :}
VardaValar1: hantal :-)
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FINARFIN010: heya
VardaValar1: Aiya Finarfin : )
FINARFIN010: can not stay long.. just came by to say happy 4th. :-)
VardaValar1: Good to see you : )
Eonwe Valar: heya and Happy Fourth to you as well :}
VardaValar1: It's been a fun one
FINARFIN010: thank you
VardaValar1: Pink and purple, very cheery : )
FINARFIN010: :-)
FINARFIN010: well i must be off... nighty nithty time for me.
FINARFIN010: Namaire all
VardaValar1: Good night!
Eonwe Valar: take care
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VardaValar1: You there, unicorn?
VardaValar1: Turgon, you'll be really sore a long time even after having a dislocated shoulder fixed up
VardaValar1: Might be a problem fighting. Sure you want something that drastic?
Eonwe Valar: Well, the way he landed kind of makes it the likely result
VardaValar1: ouchie
Eonwe Valar: the least of results at least to me
VardaValar1: have to learn proper rolling technique : )
Eonwe Valar: luckily it's not his sword-arm :}
Eonwe Valar: hehe :}
VardaValar1: aye : )
VardaValar1: Two lefties?
Eonwe Valar: yep, apparently :}
VardaValar1: Need both arms for a bow
Eonwe Valar: aye
Eonwe Valar: Based on my knowledge of dislocated shoulders :} He'll have to take it easy for 4-6 weeks with that arm (4 being if he wants to go the lucky elf way :})
VardaValar1: I've been wondering about that
VardaValar1: Do we say Elves heal two or three times faster?
Eonwe Valar: I would say part would depend on medical treatment
Eonwe Valar: and seriousness of the wound
VardaValar1: I figure if it takes 6 weeks for a bone to heal, what is it in Elf?
Eonwe Valar: 4 weeks minimum for a dislocated shoulder, but Frodo was recovering from the Morgul wound at least 3 weeks, wasn't he?
VardaValar1: He's a hobbit, but hmm
Eonwe Valar: 6 weeks for a human, 4 Iwould say for an Elf, at least in Turgon's case snce Elrond isn't here :}
VardaValar1: That was a stab, poison like, and he never got over it
VardaValar1: Off in a meeting, most likely
VardaValar1: Anyway, if we can figure a ratio, we can keep it consistent
Eonwe Valar: I have herbs that could probably reduce swelling, but nothing that's going to promote healing of muscles in that manner
VardaValar1: Warmth : )
VardaValar1: Pack in some cayenne?
Eonwe Valar: Hold his arm over the fire? :}
VardaValar1: Not sure which is worse
Eonwe Valar: I imagine aside from the shoulder he'll have a lump on his head since he was knocked out, but that's a little easier to heal
VardaValar1: For some reason I seem to be the clean-up committee after the party
Eonwe Valar: clean-up?
VardaValar1: Male
VardaValar1: I have to clean up the food, wash dishes, etc
Eonwe Valar: ah
Eonwe Valar: you mean your party, not the RP group :}
VardaValar1: hehe
VardaValar1: Might have to clean up all these windows
VardaValar1: Still have Eldar up, with unicorn
Eonwe Valar: How'd Eowyn and Sauron get out of doing anything? :}
VardaValar1: Sauron isn't home
Eonwe Valar: how clever of him :}
VardaValar1: Eowyn is repairing a computer for money, carrying a monitor right now
VardaValar1: hehe
VardaValar1: But he didn't get the cookies
VardaValar1: Bunch left, lucky guy
VardaValar1: How does an Eye eat cookies?
Eonwe Valar: good reasons on both counts :}
Eonwe Valar: cookie eye drops? :}
VardaValar1: lol
VardaValar1: I'll have to tell him about that
VardaValar1: You got a laugh from me, Eowyn, and Merry
VardaValar1: Only ones here in the room : )
Eonwe Valar: :}
VardaValar1: Turgon fall asleep?
VardaValar1: *slips cookies to Eonwe*
Eonwe Valar: not sure, may have,. it was turning dawn for him last he spoke of time
VardaValar1: Merry usually comes to Renfaire with us
VardaValar1: Maybe you'll get to see him. He's fun too
Eonwe Valar: *eats them quietly so no one hears him chew*
VardaValar1: *sound of silence*
VardaValar1: I am turning into a fanfic addict
VardaValar1: Can't seem to get my fill of messing with Tolkien
VardaValar1: Worse, I got Elwing started
VardaValar1: She's an addict now
VardaValar1: She started her brother on it
VardaValar1: Who might someday join us ;-)
VardaValar1: The ever spreading guild
Eonwe Valar: :}
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VardaValar1: Well hi!