July 25, 2004 Meeting
AIM: Valar Guild Meetingplace
5pm EST (GMT-5)
Transcript from Ar-Pharazon and Varda.
Tolkien Encyclopedia - 2 new
D2X Ladder playing and
WoW World of WarCraft beta
D&D online starting
BZFlag (more in
Return of the Dragon Rise of
MeO Middle-earth Online
Fladrif-V's topic: Tolkien's attempt at writing
a mythology for England, especially with the Silmarillion.
BZFlag gaming while using this chat room as a
disturbed061702 friend of Farmer Maggot's joined
Finarfin dropped by, went on to D2X Ladder play.
You have just entered room "Valar Guild Meetingplace."
FladrifV has entered the room.
TurgonjustTurgon has entered
Orodreth V has entered the room.
musics4me2 has entered the room.
ArPharazonV: Aiya all
musics4me2: oh yeah, it's sunday isn't it heh
TurgonjustTurgon: there's Varda
ArPharazonV: I almost forgot it too... until it snapped back a few
VardaValar1 has entered the
musics4me2: It's summer and I'm outta it hehe
TurgonjustTurgon: I have 3 news items, 2 gaming, 1 member
ArPharazonV: no web? tsk tsk
TurgonjustTurgon: 1 of the gaming is also web
TurgonjustTurgon: but falls under gaming
VardaValar1: Let's finish inviting :-)
GilraenV has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya : )
musics4me2: afk dinner :-(
GilraenV has left the room.
VardaValar1: Scroll is good
ArPharazonV: sure is
VardaValar1: Aiyata Gilraen
ArPharazonV: just takes a while
VardaValar1: Gwaihir on his way? : )
ArPharazonV: she's not here
VardaValar1: Aiyata is welcome back
ArPharazonV: I knew that
GwaihirValar has entered the
VardaValar1: Aiya Gwaihir
VardaValar1: Are you in England now?
TurgonjustTurgon: Aiya to Gwai, Aiyata to Gilraen
TurgonjustTurgon: he should be :-)
DemonicHorde69 has entered the
TurgonjustTurgon: he left yesterday at about 6 PM EST
DemonicHorde69: work in 20
DemonicHorde69: ill have to miss this meeting
VardaValar1: Anything you'd like to tell the group before you have to
GwaihirValar: Gilraen and I are here in England... she's beside me :-)
ArPharazonV: Aiyata to Gilraen in that case
VardaValar1: Congrats on making it all the way there!
GwaihirValar: hehe, thank you :-)
ArPharazonV: did you fly over the bermuda triangle?
TurgonjustTurgon: so, how's england?
GwaihirValar: I don't believe I did... I flew over Greenland though
TurgonjustTurgon: wet and dreary?
GwaihirValar: and England's wierd :-)
ArPharazonV: they all drive on the left side ;-)
GwaihirValar: Gilraen: Oi!!
VardaValar1: Get him, Gilraen ;-)
VardaValar1: Weird can be good : )
GwaihirValar: wierd is good
VardaValar1: Eowyn says hi!
TurgonjustTurgon: in some cases, good is weird :-)
Eonwe Valar has entered the
VardaValar1: Aiya : )
TurgonjustTurgon: anyways, scrapping membership news item, since they
are here :-)
Eonwe Valar: heya :}
GwaihirValar: g'day Eo
Eonwe Valar: just here for a couple of minutes
VardaValar1: We have enough to start
VardaValar1: Glad you could make it for those : )
ArPharazonV: sorry, capslock
TurgonjustTurgon: so, Gwai, got any jetlag?
VardaValar1: Fast eater : )
GwaihirValar: I dunno if I do lol\
musics4me2: wasn't hungry heh
GwaihirValar: I haven't slept yet :-)
VardaValar1: Try to sleep the same time they do, might help
TurgonjustTurgon: haha :-)
VardaValar1: Elen sila lumenn'
TurgonjustTurgon: that would be tonight, he would have arrived at about
6 or 7 AM local time
VardaValar1: Member News:
VardaValar1: We are very lucky to have Gwaihir, Gilraen, Eonwe, and
Mablung here for at least a few minutes :-)
VardaValar1: Yes, Gwaihir, your letter made it on the News : )
GwaihirValar: I saw :-)
GwaihirValar: thank you
VardaValar1: We have about 126 full members
VardaValar1: according to Elatan's Member page
GwaihirValar: has he updated lately?
VardaValar1: Might check the page to make sure your info is there and
up to date
VardaValar1: Check it : )
VardaValar1: If it needs an update, email him
VardaValar1: I wouldn't mind a cc
ArPharazonV: Ar-Pharazon Member Netherland GMT+1 firstname.lastname@example.org
yeah, sounds about right
GwaihirValar: ah, I remember for a while t was horribly out of date
ArPharazonV: no room for the -s?
VardaValar1: He had a problem reaching it for a time
VardaValar1: what -s?
VardaValar1: I try to keep the Activity page up to date
VardaValar1: why -s?
VardaValar1: oh, Netherlands
VardaValar1: Let him know about the typo
ArPharazonV: my mind works in mysterious ways
ArPharazonV: elatan... when I see him, I will say it
VardaValar1: Any other Member News?
ArPharazonV: make that an if...
ArPharazonV: no, not from me
VardaValar1: Email him
VardaValar1: Elatan is usually found in DAoC Europe
ArPharazonV: meh, I can live with it... I'm not the only one
ArPharazonV: and I don't have DAoC
VardaValar1: Then suffer : )
Eonwe Valar: Better gaurantee of running into him via e-mail than "in
ArPharazonV: I meant like on a meeting or something
TurgonjustTurgon: heh, we might run into Elatan on the WoW beta tho :-)
VardaValar1: The email is easier to use for updates also
Eonwe Valar: Was Elatan trying for it?
VardaValar1: Elatan has difficulty coming to meetings due to work in
ArPharazonV: we might, yes... if we make it
ArPharazonV: and let's win the lottery while we're at it!
FladrifV: we will get a beta key :P
VardaValar1: That's it. Positive thinking, o Ent : )
VardaValar1: Web News:
VardaValar1: We have new links on the Links page
TurgonjustTurgon: they'd better, I got my entire family to "sign up"
for me :-D
FladrifV: I have to with al those years of waiting an getting treeish
VardaValar1: The most interesting link is probably "Of Thud and Blunder"
VardaValar1: I highly recommend it
TurgonjustTurgon: bathroom break, be back in a sec
VardaValar1: Poul Andersen's essay on writing Heroic Fantasy, where
many new writers go wrong
VardaValar1: More info than we need, Turgon ;-)
VardaValar1: The late Poul Anderson, I should say. A fine writer
ArPharazonV: For a moment, arms and legs hailed around him through
showers of blood;
ArPharazonV: oh lovely
VardaValar1: Two new additions in the Tolkien
VardaValar1: Ungoliant's Origin
VardaValar1: Names of Ungoliant
VardaValar1: by yours truly
Eonwe Valar: Never met the person :}
VardaValar1: I was looking through BoLT 1 for something else, and had
to put this up
VardaValar1: I hope to correct that this year, Eonwe : )
Eonwe Valar: :}
VardaValar1: We have spare garb, at least a cloak you can use
FladrifV: question I want to download 900 mb what program should I use
its on a website...
VardaValar1: 900 MB. ow
FladrifV: ac2 :-)
ArPharazonV: With firefox I
got it in 2 hours, but that was in 1 sitting
ArPharazonV: How about download managers and resumers?
TurgonjustTurgon: the link I provided to Phar is a downloading program,
specially designed for such downloads
FladrifV: with mozilla it
crashes about 600 mb
TurgonjustTurgon: once you have downloaded the program, simply run it
TurgonjustTurgon: weird thing, I prefer IE
musics4me2: I prefer FireFox :-)
FladrifV: strange ok I try it with firefox
ArPharazonV: I've got FireFox too, Fladrif introduced me to it
FladrifV: indeed :-)
FladrifV: but prefer mozilla because of its mail :-)
TurgonjustTurgon: anyways, shall we get back to the meeting? :-)
ArPharazonV: pff... that's why I got zonnet
TurgonjustTurgon: Varda, I believe it was your floor
VardaValar1: Pardon, chatting in another window : )
ArPharazonV: 'bout Ungoliant?
ArPharazonV: well, not the chatting
VardaValar1: Nope, the unseen world interacting with the material in
ArPharazonV: Gloomweaver... wow, I remember that
VardaValar1: Gaming News:
Ladder is going strong
VardaValar1: Bankers have all
VardaValar1: Special recognition to Arathorn
and Finarfin on bankwork!
VardaValar1: Any other gaming news?
VardaValar1: DAoC? WC3? Any?
ArPharazonV: Turgon had news?
VardaValar1: Turgon, go ahead
TurgonjustTurgon: signups for the beta end tomorrow at 4 AM EST
VardaValar1: Everyone signed up who can?
ArPharazonV: I did
TurgonjustTurgon: there is not yet been given a date on which emails
with keys are due to arrive, but I would guess it be about a week after
the singups end
Eonwe Valar: That's WoW beta :}
VardaValar1: Go Phar!
TurgonjustTurgon: nope, sorry, European closed Beta
Eonwe Valar: for which game? :}
VardaValar1: Did you make it in, Turgon?
VardaValar1: I mean, sign up
TurgonjustTurgon: I signed up on 4 different addresses, so I'm making a
moderate chance :-)
FladrifV: 4 times more than me
VardaValar1: Good luck to all who tried for it in the guild
ArPharazonV: yeah, 3 more than me as well...
VardaValar1: Any other Gaming News?
Eonwe Valar: Time for me to make my exit :}
TurgonjustTurgon: namarie Eonwe
Eonwe Valar: Take care all ;}
Eonwe Valar has left the room.
VardaValar1: Turgon, you had more under Gaming?
VardaValar1: Please go ahead
TurgonjustTurgon: I've recently restarted an online adnd game
TurgonjustTurgon: last friday to be exact :-)
VardaValar1: AD&D or D&D? Using books this time?
GwaihirValar: I heard from a friend who has contacts in Blizzard that
APPARANTLY the open beta for WoW is supposed to bve starting in the
next month... unconfirmed rumour, of course... but....
TurgonjustTurgon: although we are using mostly 2nd ed, I am DM'ing
ArPharazonV: not using books? I thought...
TurgonjustTurgon: which means I make up rules as I go
TurgonjustTurgon: unless they are in direct violation of the books
VardaValar1: Without books, you have a danger of a lot of argument,
unless you can be very consistent. Good luck
TurgonjustTurgon: some of the players have books, so we can go look it
ArPharazonV: he doesn't tolerate argument :-D
VardaValar1: Is it on the same website as before?
TurgonjustTurgon: well... for starters, I integrated some Diablo-like
rules into the game
TurgonjustTurgon: I'm not sure if I changed the link on my main page
yet, but I moved my adnd page to www.geocities.com/turgon_valar
VardaValar1: Everyone please remember to keep your URL's updated with me
VardaValar1: A link back to the guild is helpful too
TurgonjustTurgon: I'm considering to switch the 2 pages around, but
that remains in question yet
TurgonjustTurgon: I've got links from my Diablo page linking straight
back to my main page, on which several Guild links are located
VardaValar1: Let me know when you know
ArPharazonV: your site isn't updated yet
ArPharazonV: no players or story
TurgonjustTurgon: have been too busy watching a movie and assisting you
in AC :-)
VardaValar1: Have to push the King of Gondolin to his webwork : )
VardaValar1: Farmer, you had Gaming news?
ArPharazonV: you died trying to reinforce me....
musics4me2: Yep :D
TurgonjustTurgon: well, he is King, so he can set his own times :-)
musics4me2: I've found this really cool, free multiplayer game. Some of
you might know, cuz I've roped you into playing it heh. It's BZFlag (http://bzflag.org)
TurgonjustTurgon: I still prefer CS :-)
VardaValar1: You can play more than one game : )
musics4me2: To read off the summary from their site: BZFlag is a free
multiplayer multiplatform 3D tank battle game. The name stands for
Battle Zone capture Flag. It runs on Irix, Linux, *BSD, Windows, Mac OS
X and other platforms.
ArPharazonV: heh, it's a nice game, simple, but reasonably addictive
musics4me2: screen shots are here: http://bzflag.org/screenshots/
ArPharazonV: this afternoon I spent 1 hour in a team trying to capture
the other team's flag....
musics4me2: and the Windows download is here: bzflag-1.10.6-1.W32.exe
TurgonjustTurgon: hmmmz... another game besides, TFT, D2x, AC, FFT, MOO
3, Gangland and AoW 2....
TurgonjustTurgon: not counting all of my web games :-)
FladrifV: runs quite well under linux I must say
ArPharazonV: sounds like a loud cow
TurgonjustTurgon: Master of Orion
musics4me2: It's pretty cool, there's a lot of empty servers you can
walk in w/ some friends and just play :-), some of them support up to
musics4me2: *Hands meeting back over to Varda :D*
ArPharazonV: 1 more small topic...
VardaValar1: Phar, go ahead
will be released on wednesday, after being developed for over a year
MoriFinwe has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya : )
ArPharazonV: Return of the Dragons
VardaValar1: Do you have an URL for it?
ArPharazonV: a great, possibly the best campaign for TFT
ArPharazonV: it's a ...darn, how do you say 'vervolg'... on the Rise of the Spiderqueen
ArPharazonV: it's a sequel
TurgonjustTurgon: same thing
ArPharazonV: not really
TurgonjustTurgon: in this case it is
ArPharazonV: no, it's not, Spiderqueen is not needed
ArPharazonV: to play this one
ArPharazonV: although you miss quite a lot of story
TurgonjustTurgon: then it's a stand alone expansion
VardaValar1: Spiderqueen, Ungoliant thoughts...
ArPharazonV: but it's a massive campaign, the developer, also known as
Darky28, promises it will take a day just for map 6... which you'll
have to play 5 times to experience the full story
ArPharazonV: new units, skins, abilities, interface, etc
ArPharazonV: and voices
VardaValar1: (Please whisper Tolkien topics to me)
ArPharazonV: I would mention this on the next meeting, but chances are
I won't be here next week
VardaValar1: Now is good
ArPharazonV: as I'm leaving on a fieldschool on Monday, early morning,
so I might have to go to sleep early
ArPharazonV: well, monday 2nd of August, that is
ArPharazonV: so over 8 days
ArPharazonV: chances are, on the very same day I could get an email I'm
in the WoW beta ;-)
ArPharazonV: which means I won't discover that until 4 days later...
VardaValar1: Good luck : )
TurgonjustTurgon: if you get the email that day, there is only 1
TurgonjustTurgon: don't sleep :-D
VardaValar1: Lot of that going around : )
ArPharazonV: I've never stayed awake a full night in my entire young
MoriFinwe: I do have a question on MEO.
VardaValar1: It will happen. Don't need to rush it
VardaValar1: Go ahead, Caranthir
TurgonjustTurgon: I can't remember the first time I did that :-)
MoriFinwe: They announced that they will not allow people to have the
names of characters in the book
MoriFinwe: So waht will we do?
VardaValar1: Right, not the main names
VardaValar1: We have discussed this on the forum
VardaValar1: We are taking similar names
ArPharazonV: well, that sounds fair... perhaps they want to add them as
VardaValar1: I am using Fainan, meaning "I Emit Light"
MoriFinwe: Are we gonna have the -V?
VardaValar1: MeO needs the character names for their story line.
VardaValar1: Don't think we need it.
ArPharazonV: I would be using Calion, if I was planning on playing
MeO... instead I'll save it for WoW
VardaValar1: We will probably have a guild flag, as they do in
EverQuest and WC3
VardaValar1: Use both places, Pharazon : )
MoriFinwe: Ok because I have had a lot of time on my hands and been
reading all about that
VardaValar1: Some of the very obscure names will make it through
VardaValar1: Such as way back in BoLT : )
TurgonjustTurgon: such as Raukoluin :-)
VardaValar1: You could try adding the V
VardaValar1: We had some fuss from a few GM's in Everquest over that
MoriFinwe: Another question is will we have to pick the characters we
are associated with?
ArPharazonV: I'm not concentrating on 2 pay-per-month MMORPG's at the
same time... way to expensive
VardaValar1: Still, they let Ulmo and Taglos keep theirs
TurgonjustTurgon: I think they would allow ondolinde and Crissaegrim :-)
VardaValar1: Caranthir, we don't even do that in Diablo : )
VardaValar1: We will probably try an assortment, using variations on
ArPharazonV: they would probably Pharaz and Calion...
TurgonjustTurgon: oh yes, before I forget, last I heard, WoW allows 10
characters per server
MoriFinwe: Yes so Farmer Maggot could be an elf?
VardaValar1: Sure, Mori
MoriFinwe: ok cool
ArPharazonV: 10 characters per server?
ArPharazonV: that would be nice
VardaValar1: But he might use a similar name instead of Farmer Maggot
ArPharazonV: I could have a druid after all....
VardaValar1: We will probably try everything
VardaValar1: We have a guild forum where you can ask for naming help
MoriFinwe: most likely and it will be easier if everyone can do it as
soon as it comes out
VardaValar1: Be sure to try looking up stuff in the Encyc and the books
too, can be quite fun
MoriFinwe: Morifinwe should pass i hope
VardaValar1: We had to be creative
VardaValar1: Most likely it will : )
VardaValar1: If you email Irmo, he should be able to help you with name
musics4me2: *scrolls up* I've been mentioned.... heh
VardaValar1: That's his general guild function outside DAoC leading at
VardaValar1: You've been mentioned : )
mordacil has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya Aerandir
VardaValar1: Any chance to bug you to make an Aerandir name added to
your AIM names? : )
mordacil has left the room.
VardaValar1: Egad! I should try that with you other guys!
VardaValar1: Say, Farmer and Mablung ; )
ArPharazonV: the rest of us already is good ;-)
Aerandir V has entered the room.
Aerandir V: aiya
musics4me2: that being?
VardaValar1: Woot! Aiya1
musics4me2: (trying to stay focused on the conersation)
VardaValar1: Making an AIM name the same as the guild name
musics4me2: ah sure
MoriFinwe: O yes im not going to be here next week Im going on Vacation
ArPharazonV: oh, that reminds me... there was someone in the FOTR movie
with a few dogs, who pointed the black riders to Hobbiton... was that
supposed to be Farmer Maggot?
VardaValar1: The dogs are a give-away
VardaValar1: Sounds fun, Mori
MoriFinwe: Sure i guess but id rather new york again
Aerandir V: I have to go. just dropping by
Aerandir V has left the room.
VardaValar1: You've done that already : )
VardaValar1: Been to Arkansas before/
MoriFinwe: Yes i have but not to were we are going
MoriFinwe: Well i gtg as well
VardaValar1: Thanks for coming : )
MoriFinwe has left the room.
VardaValar1: Any further news?
FladrifV: I have a point of discussion
VardaValar1: Tolkien time
VardaValar1: Fladrif, go ahead
ArPharazonV: Oh yes, I remember I got one too... I'll bring it up later
FladrifV: Tolkien wanted to write a
mythology for england
FladrifV: and I think he managed that with the silmarillion
FladrifV: even though he didn't want to publish it
FladrifV: because it's not consistand and a fluent story
VardaValar1: It was unfinished, aye
ArPharazonV: which, actually, fits a mythology quite well
VardaValar1: Do you think he got enough across in his notes for a good
Orodreth V: /me raises his head
Orodreth V: Pipe down you kids!
VardaValar1: Speak up, Oro : )
Orodreth V: /me goes back to sleep
FladrifV: lord of the rings is a good story but is far too complete to
be called a mythology
ArPharazonV: many mythologies are not fluent... they are made up of
several partly-unconnected stories, and there are often many versions
of 1 event
VardaValar1: The LotR does, however, allude to the myth. Well said
ArPharazonV: lord of the rings is more like a written record while the
Silmarillion almost seems orally carried down through time
musics4me2 has left the room.
FladrifV: thanks for saying what I thought :-)
FarmerMaggotV has entered the
VardaValar1: Aiya Farmer : )
ArPharazonV: my buddylist keeps growing... too bad I forgot to add
FarmerMaggotV: Heh, saw the AIM.com window open back there and decided
to take care of it while I remembered...
FarmerMaggotV: I'll use this one for meetings from now on :-)
VardaValar1: Add now : )
ArPharazonV: ok, I got him
VardaValar1: Real mythology is badly broken up, true, from time, from
invasions, from different story tellers
VardaValar1: Tolkien purposely pulled the "it is said" and various
versions for versimilitude
FladrifV: see odyseus... what's the english name of the book?
ArPharazonV: it almost makes one think he actually got it from earlier
VardaValar1: He usually gave an idea of his preferred version
ArPharazonV: the Odyssee?
VardaValar1: The Odyssey
ArPharazonV: right, that
VardaValar1: Should I grab my copy? :-)
ArPharazonV: and don't forget the Iliad
FladrifV: still reading the Ilias
ArPharazonV: did I give you the Iliad back, Flad? I believe I did,
VardaValar1: Iliad is online, I need to put up the link on my Folklore
& Mythology page
VardaValar1: Those are old enough to not have a copyright problem
FladrifV: yes got it back
FladrifV: 4000 years is enoug?
ArPharazonV: oh, and don't forget Bullfinch's pages
VardaValar1: That was already on the links, np
VardaValar1: Years ago
ArPharazonV: so, the Guild just needs to survive 4000 years more
ArPharazonV: and than we can put Lotr up on the site :-)
VardaValar1: MIT and The Gutenberg Project are good
VardaValar1: We have three generations of families already, might
VardaValar1: Runeberg Project also
ArPharazonV: too bad we won't be there to see it
VardaValar1: Speak for yourself ;-)
ArPharazonV: what, you're immortal?
VardaValar1: Advantage of being a Valie
ArPharazonV: I mean in real life
ArPharazonV: that thing outside the computer
VardaValar1: I hope to have descendents handling that problem
VardaValar1: Already have three
VardaValar1: All are web savvy
FladrifV: life outside a pc?
ArPharazonV: right, Flad
VardaValar1: guess that would be a Mac? ;-)
ArPharazonV: you know, when you drop by to play Eufraat & Tigris
ArPharazonV: and fix my pc while you're at it... but that's something
FladrifV: oh thought it was kind of sub reality
VardaValar1: JRRT still had an extensive mythology going
FladrifV: you always need fixing ....
VardaValar1: Starting with Eru, the creation of the universe and
ArPharazonV: oh, right, remember to take down my firewall next time
you're here :-)
VardaValar1: Even the future, and the time of the song being sung
VardaValar1: His mythology is therefore one with an upbeat ending
VardaValar1: So much sorrow, but with Hope at the end
VardaValar1: Like Estel : )
ArPharazonV: from Genesis to the Apocalypse
ArPharazonV: but let's not go there again...
FladrifV: what will happen with morgoth after the distruction
FladrifV: than is he in the everything
VardaValar1: Maybe also like Scandinavian myth, after Ragnarok comes a
new world. Baldur returns
VardaValar1: Manwe comes down from Taniquetil and fights Morgoth
ArPharazonV: right, Morgoth dies
FladrifV: /me wants to read them but don;t know how they are called...
ArPharazonV: thanks to Turin, I believe
VardaValar1: With the rebuilding of Arda, the old evil in the planet
will no longer be present
ArPharazonV: and I still say Pharazon has a part on the good side to
ArPharazonV: in the end of the first world, that is
VardaValar1: Read what, Fladrif? Describe rather than name
ArPharazonV: After this Alfadur (the Almighty) will cause a new heaven
and a new earth to arise out of the sea.
ArPharazonV: The new earth filled with abundant supplies will
spontaneously produce its fruits without labour or care. Wickedness and
misery will no more be known, but the gods and men will live happily
FladrifV: sorry meant melkor when I said morgoth :-)
ArPharazonV: Melkor/Morgoth: the exact same person
FladrifV: hmmz starting to get too confused :-)
FladrifV: it's too hot in here
FladrifV: can't think clear
VardaValar1: Melkor was the original name of the Vala, but he was
renamed Morgoth by Feanor for his fall to evil.
VardaValar1: Both are correct
FladrifV: thanks :-)
FladrifV: but he was locked out into the nothing ness
ArPharazonV: until he got back through the door, yes
VardaValar1: The Void, aye. Morgoth was pushed there, but his influence
reached beyond it
FladrifV: so when the world ged destroyed
FladrifV: he is in the everything :P
ArPharazonV: and when the watchfullness of the Valar and Earendil/del
failed, he gets back
ArPharazonV: through the door of night
ArPharazonV: and he invades Kalimdor, with his minions at his side
VardaValar1: It is said that Morgoth's influence was already all
through the earth before he was shut into the Void. Plus his words
continued, and his minions.
ArPharazonV: getting my lore really confused here...
VardaValar1: Dead of night for you guys right now, I believe?
ArPharazonV: half past midnight
VardaValar1: Few of those for whom it is daytime are present
ArPharazonV: ain't it great, living in Europe ;-)
FarmerMaggotV: Yep, it's daytime, but I'm tired still heh
VardaValar1: Have to ask Gwaihir when he wakes up : )
ArPharazonV: at least 4 of us are in Europe right now
ArPharazonV: 5, if you count Gilraen.... she still there?
FladrifV: time to move the guild towards europe ;-)
VardaValar1: The guild is world-wide already
VardaValar1: How would you move it?
ArPharazonV: I don't believe any Valar live in Europe? Well, except Irmo
VardaValar1: Yes, some do
VardaValar1: Look at the Members page
FladrifV: move the meeting times and so on and move the bnet server :P
ArPharazonV: ah, look, Eru is British
FladrifV: just joking
VardaValar1: Elatan is in Denmark
ArPharazonV: Elatan is Danish
ArPharazonV: Irmo, Dutch, as I said
VardaValar1: We moved the meeting times to accommodate Europe at the
expense of the Western Hemisphere
ArPharazonV: rest in Canada and US
VardaValar1: Two Canadians don't count I guess : )
FladrifV: time zones are quite a problem for baing world wide :-)
VardaValar1: Beren from Argentina, also Western Hemisphere
ArPharazonV: ah, right
VardaValar1: Aye, Fladrif. That's why we have the Forum, News, email
FladrifV: indeed :-)
FarmerMaggotV: and that time machine :P
VardaValar1: Should have someone to chat or play with at any time of
day or night : )
VardaValar1: That would help!
VardaValar1: Anyone know what happened to Arathorn?
FladrifV: jump to everytime of the day with a time machine... and
combine youreself at night :-)
FarmerMaggotV: I'll pull up his quote right now
VardaValar1: Thanks, Farmer
FarmerMaggotV: if I saved it heh
ArPharazonV: ah, that would be good... sleeping all night, jumping back
to the evening, and playing all night
VardaValar1: Pull a Hermione. Oops, wrong book
FarmerMaggotV: hmm... don't have his exact quote..
ArPharazonV: not to mention reading, watching tv, doing homework, all
at the same time...
VardaValar1: Paraphrase will work
FarmerMaggotV: but it was like this: "I'm prolly not gonna be around
much, government stuff (or something)..." and he mentioned something
about possible contract negotiations
VardaValar1: Hope he's not feeling worse
ArPharazonV: government stuff? CIA?
VardaValar1: ahh - good. He will be happy to be working again
FarmerMaggotV: And the best way to talk to him was email.
FarmerMaggotV: He did mention secret agents...
VardaValar1: Oh fun : )
FarmerMaggotV: he was talking about some book...
ArPharazonV: the necronomicon or something... what was it called?
FarmerMaggotV: ah yes, he was talking about if I ever read Robert Ludlum
VardaValar1: *Bashes head on wall*. I should know this
VardaValar1: Hard headed. np
ArPharazonV: is the wall ok?
VardaValar1: Um, big gap there
FladrifV: /me gives a door
VardaValar1: So what else were you thinking of about the mythology
aspects of the Sil?
VardaValar1: How about the Hero stories?
ArPharazonV: Beren and Luthien, Turin, Tuor...
VardaValar1: God and sub-creation types?
VardaValar1: Aye, Phar
ArPharazonV: I don't know... Luthien reminds me of Snow-white somehow...
VardaValar1: That's my name! ;-)
ArPharazonV: black hair, fair skin... sleep a major factor in the
ArPharazonV: and the hansom human prince :-D
VardaValar1: sleep, the "little death"
VardaValar1: A must-have
VardaValar1: unless you can get a handsome elven prince...
FladrifV: chamber has a nice story over snow white
VardaValar1: Beren was not ugly
VardaValar1: Snow-white is also a name of Varda, what I meant above
ArPharazonV: really? did not know that
ArPharazonV: probably read it and forgot
VardaValar1: Can't say that any more ; )
VardaValar1: Galadriel. "Snow-white, o lady fair"
VardaValar1: Refers to the white fana
VardaValar1: Exceptionally white and bright so they compare to snow
VardaValar1: The Hero stories do have a strong touch from other
mythologies, but much better in most cases : )
ArPharazonV: really? I don't recognize a thing
VardaValar1: JRRT had the advantage, since he had control of most of
the elements going into the stories
VardaValar1: Must be late at night, alright
FladrifV: it has huge influence of the bible and the greek mythology
VardaValar1: Shall we let everyone go to see the products of Irmo's
VardaValar1: A lot of Scandinavian, as well
ArPharazonV: sure... but still... those 3 stories, how do they compare
to the Bible and so?
ArPharazonV: and to other myths?
ArPharazonV: sorry for calling the Bible a myth
VardaValar1: That would be a lot of topics, take all night
VardaValar1: or morning or wherever you are : )
ArPharazonV: night, just night
ArPharazonV: still early night
FladrifV: than it will be night again :-)
VardaValar1: I would like to hear more on the main mythology ideas in
ArPharazonV: I'm serious... could you give an example of those
VardaValar1: Not when it's that broad a topic
ArPharazonV: ah, too bad...
VardaValar1: Ever read any of the Norse mythologies?
ArPharazonV: not many, no
FladrifV: /me none
VardaValar1: That was a major study of JRRT's
VardaValar1: They are some of my favorites, because they are very
strong on courage
ArPharazonV: I know the story of the One Ring was kinda based on some
VardaValar1: Bravery in the face of death and hopelessness
ArPharazonV: with a dwarf in a cave or something
VardaValar1: That's a major theme in Tolkien's stories
FladrifV: can you give me some names of norge sage?
VardaValar1: Try reading up on Odin/Woden
VardaValar1: The Norse pantheon
FladrifV: I have visited the pantheon in rome :-)
ArPharazonV: wasn't that the parthenon?
FladrifV: sorry Im dyslextic
ArPharazonV: I thought Pantheon was in Athens?
FladrifV: I'll look after it
VardaValar1: pantheon is a server name
ArPharazonV: yeah, that too...
VardaValar1: Feel free to try my Folklore page too
VardaValar1: Elatan as Snowfox from Denmark added to it, since the
mythology is from his own country
VardaValar1: But if you really want to know it, read the Eddas
ArPharazonV: Fafnir... now that's a name you could give your kid
VardaValar1: That is the source material
VardaValar1: Prose and Poetic Eddas are two different ones
VardaValar1: Everything else pretty much comes from those
VardaValar1: I think I'm going to declare the After-meeting
FarmerMaggotV: anybody wanna try out bzflag?
FladrifV: already did :-)
ArPharazonV: can we make our own server? guildmembers only? :-)
VardaValar1: I'm going to go see Fangorn for the short while he'll be
FarmerMaggotV: I could look to setting up a server :-)
FarmerMaggotV: but for now, anybody wanna try a public server?
VardaValar1: Farmer, if you do, please email me for the News
FladrifV: I could hoste
FarmerMaggotV: k, namarie
VardaValar1 has left the room.
FladrifV: I have a linux server
ArPharazonV: Namarie... who's saving the transcript?
FarmerMaggotV: ah cool, could you try Fladrif?
FladrifV: well try for now with my windows pc
FarmerMaggotV: I'm a bit wary about setting up my only computer up as a
server when I don't have much cpu to spare hehe
FladrifV: on bnet port
ArPharazonV: should I save and send transcript again?
FladrifV: I'm behind my server is the only port open :-)
FladrifV: if it still works :-)
FarmerMaggotV: heh, only port I use is 8770 for development purposes
ArPharazonV: ok, when this is all over (and I'm going to bed) I'll save
FarmerMaggotV: Fladrif, it use the Valar pass?
ArPharazonV: hmm.. I'll check my mail.... forgot what the password was
FladrifV: hmmz I am hosting
FladrifV: but dunno how to alter the port
FladrifV: dont know witch port its listening to
FarmerMaggotV: prolly not 6112 :P
ArPharazonV: ok, got the password again
FladrifV: indeed the standart port
FladrifV: cant change a thing in the menu
FarmerMaggotV: could just forward that port to your comp
FladrifV: I'll putty it :P
FarmerMaggotV: hehe :-)
FarmerMaggotV: SSH is awesome
FladrifV: is it posible to make a mac adress based login?
FarmerMaggotV: address based login?
FladrifV: ip is unhandy with dynamic ip
FladrifV: yes remote login over internet
GwaihirValar: well, I'm off to sleep now lol... cya
FarmerMaggotV: not following...
ArPharazonV: to both
ArPharazonV: Gwai and Gilr
FladrifV: my pc ------- other pc over internet
GwaihirValar has left the room.
FladrifV: other pc has dynamic ip
FladrifV: I want to restrict the login procedure
FladrifV: so that only that pc may login
FarmerMaggotV: ah... hmm...
FarmerMaggotV: could just allow that IP prolly, not sure how
ArPharazonV: you know, just tell me when you got a server... I don't
understand much of this
FladrifV: I'm reading host manual :-)
FladrifV: need to alter the port
FarmerMaggotV: heh, I'm not great at all this stuff, still learning...
FladrifV: but for now I;ll forward it
FarmerMaggotV: only been really using a comp for more than diablo for 2
FladrifV: lol lost my config...
FarmerMaggotV: I hope I saved my naimrc file....
FladrifV: ok server is running
FarmerMaggotV: ok, joining, cya there
FladrifV: and port open
Orodreth V: I live...I liiiiiive!
Orodreth V: *cue creepy music and thunder*
FladrifV: port 5154
ArPharazonV: what? how? what must I do?
Orodreth V: That tank game is kinda fun, FM. I got back to TFT in 3
FarmerMaggotV: hm... not working...
ArPharazonV: I can't find your server
FladrifV: here it works maybe with ip only?
FarmerMaggotV: wolbeestje.cjb.net eh?
ArPharazonV: can't find that one
FladrifV: yes maybbe I need to update that :-)
FarmerMaggotV: or give us an ip heh
FladrifV: can you ping it in windows?
FarmerMaggotV: in bash I can heh
FladrifV: than that number is myu ip :P
ArPharazonV: how? what? where do I fill that one in?
FarmerMaggotV: odd still not working :/
ArPharazonV: how do you change IP?
FladrifV: strange with my local ip it works
ArPharazonV: where's that?
FarmerMaggotV: hm... Netherlands eh?
FarmerMaggotV: heh, got bored and decided to traceroute ya :-)
ArPharazonV: guys, you know what, I'll surf, until all is set, and you
tell me what to do
FladrifV: sit back and relaxe
FarmerMaggotV: hm, you got any ideas?
FladrifV: yes need to make a config file and host it direct from my
linux system :-)
FarmerMaggotV: sure you forwarded UDP ports too (or w/e it needed) (you
prolly did, but jus askin heh)?
FladrifV: yup did
FladrifV: did forward same way as I forward frozen throne
FladrifV: with iptables
FarmerMaggotV: I'm gonna go look for mom's apple ID info so I can
listen to my music (reinstalled yesterday and just gotta reauthorize :/)
FladrifV: I prefer cd
FladrifV: no codes or pc needed to listen to it :-)
FarmerMaggotV: I prefer iPod :-)
FarmerMaggotV: I love it heh
FarmerMaggotV: oh well, I'll just unplug the ipod from the comp and
right into the speakers :-)
FladrifV: olso away of handeling with music :-)
FarmerMaggotV: yep =D
FladrifV: ok host running on 6112
FladrifV: ok rehosted
TurgonjustTurgon: Phara, you around?
ArPharazonV: in the game
TurgonjustTurgon: Kendall would like to know what you thought of the
FarmerMaggotV has left the room.
ArPharazonV: was cool
TurgonjustTurgon: Kendall wants to know what plebs are (not entirely
sure myself either)
ArPharazonV: the common people, normally an insult, the 'lower'
ArPharazonV: a person of a low social class
ArPharazonV: now, for who did I use it again?
ArPharazonV: I think.. for you, right?
ArPharazonV: being the cocky elfsorcerer you made me?
FarmerMaggotV has entered the room.
FarmerMaggotV: it up?
FladrifV: ok rehost maybe level to big :-)
FladrifV: its hosted now
FladrifV: indeed 16000 to big :P
FladrifV: ok I;ll lover number
FarmerMaggotV: I wonder WHY :P
FladrifV: and now?
FarmerMaggotV: hanging again
FladrifV: strange its only 3000
FladrifV: ok 1000 than
FladrifV: ok is rehosted
ArPharazonV: ok, my fault... I fired a shot :-)
FarmerMaggotV: I did too :P
FarmerMaggotV: we fired on the server captain!
ArPharazonV: we both fired at the same time?
ArPharazonV: I fired, and immediately the server went
FarmerMaggotV: Number 1, to the ready room.
FladrifV: ok its woking :-)
ArPharazonV: why thank you... another shot is al this test needs
FarmerMaggotV: yeah lol
ArPharazonV: let's give it another shot!
FarmerMaggotV: I just killed it
FarmerMaggotV: with a shot :P
ArPharazonV: me too
ArPharazonV: at the same time :-)
FarmerMaggotV: again :D
ArPharazonV: no lag or anything, just when we fire....
FarmerMaggotV: when we fire, it catches fire
ArPharazonV: hij accepteert mijn schoten niet..
FladrifV: hmmz ff kijken
FarmerMaggotV: hm... make it much smaller, comp can't handle it
ArPharazonV: that's dutch
FarmerMaggotV: mind if I invite a non valar friend in? (shouldn't be an
issue since we aren't using the pass right?)
ArPharazonV: just tell him
ArPharazonV: whatever you do
ArPharazonV: don't shoot
ArPharazonV: jumping works fine, though
FarmerMaggotV: jus make the map a lot smaller dude
ArPharazonV: now what??
FladrifV: and now?
Orodreth V: What are ya'll doing?
FarmerMaggotV: playing bzflag :-)
FarmerMaggotV: or trying to
FladrifV: trying to make a proper server config :-)
disturbed061702 has entered the
Orodreth V: Heh.
FarmerMaggotV: hey Jared
Orodreth V: I'm playing right now.
ArPharazonV: hey, it won't connect to any server...
Orodreth V: Going to a diff server. 4-way ctf is insane.
FarmerMaggotV: FlandrifV is hosting
FladrifV: rehosted with smaller map
FarmerMaggotV: his IP is 126.96.36.199
FladrifV: wolbeestje.cjb.net wil do fine
FladrifV: port 6112
FarmerMaggotV: shoot and then I get the boot :P
ArPharazonV: yep, still
FarmerMaggotV: you make one heck of a peaceful server Flandrif
Orodreth V: No data for host..
ArPharazonV: I've seen that many times, but...
ArPharazonV: what does XD mean?
FarmerMaggotV: same as :D
ArPharazonV: ok, thank you
disturbed061702: XD is....more crazy
FarmerMaggotV: heh :P
disturbed061702: much more
FladrifV: why the disconect sudenly?
Orodreth V: Hmm.
Orodreth V: I'm look at the server crationt hing..won't let me choose a
FladrifV: hehe yes its now down
FladrifV: try to host it on linux maybe more stable
ArPharazonV: i'm going to another server.. warn me when this is stable
FladrifV: ac2 is in :-)
ArPharazonV: Turg and I are a little bit ahead of you though....
FarmerMaggotV: still thar D?
FarmerMaggotV: so.... server up?
FladrifV: almost onlinux :-)
FladrifV: ok running on port 60005
disturbed061702: Hm...taking care of business...*sings along*
ArPharazonV: what was it? cjb?
FarmerMaggotV: my 400mhz comp can't really handle the big map :/
FarmerMaggotV: and my 8mb gfx card..
FladrifV: Ill make it smaler :-)
FarmerMaggotV: thnx :-)
FladrifV: like this?
disturbed061702: I'll just wait over here, *points to...somewhere else*
FarmerMaggotV: /roll 10:20
disturbed061702: it's // isn't it?
*OnlineHost*: FarmerMaggotV rolled 15 999-sided dice: 573 468 308 639
536 218 424 820 893 282 756 121 252 355 728
FarmerMaggotV: yep :P
*OnlineHost*: ArPharazonV rolled 2 6-sided dice: 3 3
*OnlineHost*: ArPharazonV rolled 2 6-sided dice: 1 3
*OnlineHost*: FarmerMaggotV rolled 1 1-sided die: 1
disturbed061702: hm...must find onea those online host blockers...
ArPharazonV: /roll 1:6
*OnlineHost*: ArPharazonV rolled 2 6-sided dice: 4 4
disturbed061702: that thing is...odd
*OnlineHost*: FarmerMaggotV rolled 2 6-sided dice: 3 3
*OnlineHost*: ArPharazonV rolled 2 6-sided dice: 4 3
FarmerMaggotV: I GOT DOUBLES!
FarmerMaggotV: I get to roll again!
*OnlineHost*: ArPharazonV rolled 2 6-sided dice: 3 6
FarmerMaggotV: monopoly reference heh
disturbed061702: 3 and you go to jail
FladrifV: why are you constantly disconecting from my server?
ArPharazonV: why do you think?
FarmerMaggotV: because, we click, and it DC's
ArPharazonV: we shoot
FladrifV: its strange
ArPharazonV: actually, I press enter
FladrifV: there is a mistake in the config...
FladrifV: but cant see witch one
FarmerMaggotV: heh, I guess I'll look at it :P
FladrifV: i'll send you the config
FarmerMaggotV: hm.... it's not sendin
FarmerMaggotV: send again
FarmerMaggotV: waiting for you to start ><
FarmerMaggotV: I think iChat is broken in this beta OS I downloaded :P
FarmerMaggotV: but I can crash Jared time after time :D
FarmerMaggotV: hey jared, ya want a pdf?
disturbed061702: don't make me go over there
FarmerMaggotV: I threw a PDF at him and his AIM died :P
disturbed061702: like 2x
FarmerMaggotV: and I did it again lol
FarmerMaggotV: can you get that file to me any other way Fladrif?
FladrifV: i'll start my web server :-)
FINARFIN010 has entered the
FarmerMaggotV: ok ehe
FarmerMaggotV: you wanna play some BZFlag with us?
FINARFIN010: what is bz flag
FarmerMaggotV: 3d tank game, free, http://bzflag.com
FINARFIN010: ahhhh. no thank you. :-)
FarmerMaggotV: aww :P
FladrifV: I like having a server :-)
FINARFIN010: what are the advantages of having a server?
FarmerMaggotV: me too
FladrifV: admin pass wil be changed :P
FarmerMaggotV: #-autoteam I like the sounds of this :P
Orodreth V: So the server works?
FINARFIN010: heya we are getting ready for the DNC here in Boston!!!!
FladrifV: he wont get that option :-(
FarmerMaggotV: coudn't you turn on debuging?
FladrifV: whats that?
ArPharazonV: the bounce
FarmerMaggotV: dun see too many options that affect this
FINARFIN010: well i am going to play some d2x.. Namaire all :_
FINARFIN010 has left the room.
ArPharazonV: so.... this server going up or what?
FladrifV: over one min
FarmerMaggotV: and under... 10?
disturbed061702: or it's free
FarmerMaggotV: hey wait...
FarmerMaggotV: isn't it ALREADY free.... ????
disturbed061702: dogs don't know it's not bacon, lets not alert them
ArPharazonV: almost like playing a game of pool, with this bounce...
disturbed061702: it safe?
disturbed061702: server name and port?
TurgonjustTurgon: who is this? :-)
ArPharazonV: I keep firing at my own teammate... how odd
FarmerMaggotV: comin jared?
disturbed061702: disturbed061702: server name and port?
TurgonjustTurgon: hey maggot
TurgonjustTurgon: who is this guy?
ArPharazonV: 60005 is port
ArPharazonV: wolbeestje.cjb.net is server
FarmerMaggotV: disturbed is my friend
FarmerMaggotV: cmon and join us turg
ArPharazonV: very complimentary of you, FM
ArPharazonV: disturbed is my friend....
TurgonjustTurgon: sorry, talking to a friend :-)
Orodreth V: Says no data for host.
Orodreth V: There we go.
ArPharazonV: server is gone
Orodreth V: New map?
ArPharazonV: it's back
FladrifV: it says random so I hope so
FladrifV: are there no voting and prefab map system?
Orodreth V: Grr. Teleporters! :-P
Orodreth V: Oh. There are.
Orodreth V: My bad.
FladrifV: new map
Orodreth V: Pretty...
FarmerMaggotV: so fladrif
Orodreth V: I thought you had a better comp then 400 mHz farmer..
FarmerMaggotV: Can I mention that a server is setup for valar guild
peeps (that being yours?)
DemonicHorde69 has left the room.
FladrifV: ok who finds a 400 mhz playable level mail me
FladrifV: or build one :-)
FarmerMaggotV: the first one was
FarmerMaggotV: and the one at bzflag.hepcat.org is awesome :-)
disturbed061702: just do something simple...with flags...
disturbed061702: was that capture the flag?
FarmerMaggotV: yeah, but the map was cool
Orodreth V: I want my guided missle...
FarmerMaggotV: heh yep
FarmerMaggotV: and the laza
FladrifV: I dont get the flags way of handeling
FladrifV: how to make all weapons availible
FladrifV: without ctf
ArPharazonV: flags is best with as many people as possible... just like
ArPharazonV: life of a peasant, TFT
FarmerMaggotV: hows this?
FarmerMaggotV: BZFlag is, as summarized by their website, a free
multiplayer multiplatform 3D tank battle game. URL:
FarmerMaggotV: Fladrif has set up a server for Valar Guild people.
Information is as follows:Host: wolbeestje.cjb.netPort: 60005
FarmerMaggotV: And because it is his server, I can't guarantee it to be
up, heh.Please, use your guild name for a callsign!FarmerMaggot
FarmerMaggotV: (email to varda, for news page)
FladrifV: ok rehosted and now with all flags :-)
FarmerMaggotV: kk, hows that for email?
FladrifV: minas hosted
FarmerMaggotV: I'll see if I can get on Mom's 1ghz machine
disturbed061702: gahhhhhhhhhhhhhh 8dies*
disturbed061702: tooo slow i give
FarmerMaggotV: too bad you don't have that new comp workin :-(
disturbed061702: brb going to...do anything but die again
FladrifV: ok I host mini map :-)
disturbed061702: so...playing a smaller map any time tonight?
FladrifV: ok I'll host mini
FladrifV: wish I could withoug closing server
ArPharazonV: well, I'll be off in a few minutes
FarmerMaggotV has left the room.
ArPharazonV: well, guys, Namarie
ArPharazonV: I'm saving transcript