February 1, 2004
5pm EST, 22:00 GMT
AIM: Valar Guild Meetingplace
Sent in by Arathorn-(V)
Webwork by Varda-(Valar)
Members: Alatar Valar, ArathornValar,
ArPharazonV, DemonicHorde69 (Mablung-V), Eonwe Valar [presiding],
FallenGlory (Olwe-V), GaldorV, HuanofValar, MaglorV, Orodreth V,
ThorondorV, ThrorofDwarves, TurgonjustTurgon, Xseanzee disco
In Valar channel: Ancalagon-V, Huan-(Valar), Colossus (Unknown)
Visitors: Lady Fallun (guild-friend). Mlautens (unknown popped in and out)
Erestor didn't answer Eonwe's AIM call because he was at work with his AIM left on "away".
Message Board/ MB/ Forum page
WoW Site update , and more on WoW branch setting up
explanation of and how we will be handling the problem in the future.
Used in many MMORPG's (Massively Multiplayer Online Role-Playing Games)
Comment on RotK movie
Which is the best Tolkien book?
Quick adjourn to watch SuperBowl
Eonwe Valar (4:55:22 PM): got ME mod up so can't go into bnet, do we have
anyone here and there?
ThorondorV (4:55:35 PM): Heya Eonwe
TurgonjustTurgon (4:55:38 PM): Aiya Eonwe
TurgonjustTurgon (4:55:47 PM): not yet
TurgonjustTurgon (4:55:55 PM): installing CS for after-meet
TurgonjustTurgon (4:55:59 PM): but I could get in there
Eonwe Valar (4:56:12 PM): ok thanks
Eonwe Valar (4:56:18 PM): btw, I found a new unique :}
Eonwe Valar (4:56:28 PM): Hammer of Moria's Last king :}
TurgonjustTurgon (4:57:15 PM): ack
Eonwe Valar (4:57:20 PM): and I got a new Aragorn's helm,.. the 1.9 version has
+20 to all attributes :}
TurgonjustTurgon (4:57:33 PM): Steam has a 68 min waiting list
Eonwe Valar (4:57:40 PM): steam?
TurgonjustTurgon (4:57:46 PM): cs client
TurgonjustTurgon (4:58:09 PM): when you want to play WotR btw Eonwe?
Eonwe Valar (4:58:19 PM): hmm
Eonwe Valar (4:58:36 PM): might be able to get a game in wednesday
Eonwe Valar (4:58:45 PM): just hope it's not too laggy
(4:59:23 PM) GaldorV has entered the room.
TurgonjustTurgon (4:59:38 PM): isn't too bad
TurgonjustTurgon (4:59:42 PM): ask your bro
ArathornValar (4:59:42 PM): Huan and someone named Colossus
(5:00:00 PM) HuanofValar has entered the room.
ArathornValar (5:00:10 PM): and Ancalagon just joined
(5:00:13 PM) HuanofValar has left the room.
ArathornValar (5:00:21 PM): that's in valar... clan vala isn't open
Eonwe Valar (5:00:26 PM): Hmm Erestor declined my invite?
(5:01:15 PM) Lady Fallun has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar (5:01:15 PM): Ancalagon has AIM, correct?
(5:01:21 PM) ThrorofDwarves has entered the room.
(5:01:23 PM) HuanofValar has entered the room.
(5:01:38 PM) ThrorofDwarves has left the room.
Eonwe Valar (5:01:47 PM): Hail to those just entering!
ArathornValar (5:01:55 PM): yean Ancal is war999999
GaldorV (5:01:56 PM): Hail
Lady Fallun (5:02:03 PM): Greetings
ArathornValar (5:02:09 PM): but he's not on aim right now
ArathornValar (5:02:48 PM): Ancalagon left.. didn't get to talk to him
Eonwe Valar (5:02:51 PM): if he's not afk in bnet, let him know the meeting will
be beginning soon :}
Eonwe Valar (5:02:54 PM): ah
(5:04:19 PM) ArPharazonV has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar (5:04:21 PM): We'll give it a couple more to see if we're all here
Eonwe Valar (5:04:28 PM): *couple more minutes
ArPharazonV (5:04:33 PM): aiya
Eonwe Valar (5:04:38 PM): Welcome :}
ArPharazonV (5:04:48 PM): thnx
(5:05:12 PM) FallenGlory has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar (5:05:15 PM): Arathorn, would you mind acting as liason between
here and bnet?
ArPharazonV (5:05:21 PM): Aiya
FallenGlory (5:05:23 PM): Hello
GaldorV (5:05:26 PM): aiya
ArathornValar (5:05:40 PM): Thranduil's away right now.. online tho
ArathornValar (5:06:07 PM): Have 2 PCs up, one in Bnet .. I can see
from here <g>
Eonwe Valar (5:06:18 PM): thanks :}
Eonwe Valar (5:06:37 PM): hopefully all you'll need to do is direct people to join
us here :}
GaldorV (5:07:05 PM): Arathorn... man of many talents
ArPharazonV (5:07:08 PM): sorry I'm late, playing a leaked alpha version...
ArPharazonV (5:07:11 PM):
Eonwe Valar (5:07:17 PM): if any can't get on AIM, just pass on highlights of
news :} and let me know who is on over there for the meeting report
ArathornValar (5:07:20 PM): no on there now
ArathornValar (5:07:26 PM): *one
Eonwe Valar (5:07:35 PM): Thanks :}
Eonwe Valar (5:07:46 PM): tsk Pharazon, playing a leaked Alpha :}
Eonwe Valar (5:08:00 PM): ok, well let's begin the meeting :
ArPharazonV (5:08:04 PM): I will be playing the real game, of course... as you
should know by now
ArPharazonV (5:08:13 PM): just couldn't wait
Eonwe Valar (5:08:25 PM): Membership:
Eonwe Valar (5:09:07 PM): Varda went away for the weekend, and will be back
(5:09:29 PM) Xseanzee disco has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar (5:09:39 PM): If by some chance e-mails to her got returned, just
tryu to resend them after Monday :}
Xseanzee disco (5:09:52 PM): Sorry all, i gotta go
Xseanzee disco (5:10:05 PM): me and my friends are watchin the sb
ArPharazonV (5:10:12 PM): namarie
Eonwe Valar (5:10:12 PM): name noted for roll :}
Xseanzee disco (5:10:14 PM): Namarie
(5:10:17 PM) Xseanzee disco has left the room.
Eonwe Valar (5:10:17 PM): hf :}
ArPharazonV (5:10:31 PM): ah, superbowl today...
Eonwe Valar (5:10:33 PM): Does anyone else have member news?
GaldorV (5:11:15 PM): not really ... but my rune upgrade is going ok
Eonwe Valar (5:11:31 PM): That's Gaming News :}
GaldorV (5:11:41 PM): Aye
GaldorV (5:11:57 PM): my bad on that
(5:12:32 PM) DemonicHorde69 has entered the room.
DemonicHorde69 (5:12:40 PM): hail
ArPharazonV (5:12:44 PM): aiya
ThorondorV (5:12:48 PM): Btw, I have banked the majority of my rare rings and
amulets to the ValarLJewel-V - account if you're interested
Eonwe Valar (5:12:59 PM): If there's no Member News, the on to Web news :}
ArathornValar (5:13:33 PM): er.. only the updated QuickAIM .. which
Varda mentioned on the news page
ArathornValar (5:13:49 PM): have it sorting now
Eonwe Valar (5:14:05 PM): And you the new maintainer of that Particular page,
ArathornValar (5:15:01 PM): right
Eonwe Valar (5:15:16 PM): Ok, make sure Arathorn has your AIM names :}
Eonwe Valar (5:15:35 PM): or at least the one(s) you want to be found by us on
Eonwe Valar (5:15:55 PM): More Web News:
ArathornValar (5:16:00 PM): have everyone that's here now anyway..
47 names in all
Eonwe Valar (5:16:37 PM): quite a list :}
Eonwe Valar (5:16:46 PM): I have updated the Games Page, repairing a few
Eonwe Valar (5:17:26 PM): and re-adding a few pages that apparently didn't get
transferred with the GP Mass-Update
Eonwe Valar (5:17:48 PM): Among these is the Game Reviews page
Eonwe Valar (5:18:27 PM): and you will find on this page a link to a page
designed by Arathorn about the Helm's Deep mod for Counterstrike
Eonwe Valar (5:19:32 PM): Hopefully that's just about anythign that may have got
lost in the transfer, but if you find any broken links or somethign that looks a bit
off let me know
ArathornValar (5:19:38 PM): ahh.. was going to ask you about that <heh>
(wondered where it went)
Eonwe Valar (5:20:40 PM): MB:
Eonwe Valar (5:20:46 PM): I've made some updates to this as well
Eonwe Valar (5:20:57 PM): the "Main Guild" Category has been renamed
TurgonjustTurgon (5:21:22 PM): ah good one
TurgonjustTurgon (5:21:34 PM): was always struggling with that name anyways
Eonwe Valar (5:21:52 PM): I have moved the boards from the "Tolkien"
Category to the "Community" Category, and renamed the "Discussions" board
under the former "Tolkien" Category to "Tolkien Discussions"
TurgonjustTurgon (5:22:51 PM): that why I made ya second
TurgonjustTurgon (5:22:57 PM): (in command)
Eonwe Valar (5:23:03 PM): hehe :}
Eonwe Valar (5:23:25 PM): I'm looking at a few more adjustments as well
TurgonjustTurgon (5:23:39 PM): looking forward to them, I bet they are good
Eonwe Valar (5:24:27 PM): May include at least changing the "GeneraL" folders
so they can act as markers for the search angine
Eonwe Valar (5:24:37 PM): changing the namy anyway
Eonwe Valar (5:24:43 PM): *name
Eonwe Valar (5:25:12 PM): and by marker i mean so distinction between sectiosn
can be fairly easy
Eonwe Valar (5:26:15 PM): Also, I have added a new board called "Webweaver
Support." This is for any of us looking for our pages to do a particular thing
and can't figure out exactly how to do it
so we should be able to help eachother out :}
Eonwe Valar (5:27:25 PM): Galdor has some Web news as well. Your floor
(5:28:08 PM) Lady Fallun has left the room.
GaldorV (5:28:11 PM): I added a few links usefeul to d2x players to the message
boards...inlcluding a downloadable database of all items...including 1.10 ones
as well ...its all in the general section of the d2x section of our forums.
GaldorV (5:28:41 PM): Also at the moment I have a Guide to Pit runs in hell
GaldorV (5:29:11 PM): Not totally my doing , but rather a collection of several
people including myself
GaldorV (5:30:32 PM): Some of the items updated for 1.10 may not show on the
main list but still are included
GaldorV (5:30:54 PM): in the specific weapon class for that item
Eonwe Valar (5:31:36 PM): Thanks Galdor :}
GaldorV (5:31:42 PM): ack!
GaldorV (5:31:48 PM): One other note...
Eonwe Valar (5:31:51 PM): Any other web news or Questions?
TurgonjustTurgon (5:32:04 PM): aye
GaldorV (5:32:08 PM): In the pit guide I am Aragorn_elessar and not Galdor!
Eonwe Valar (5:34:00 PM): Noted for the Pit Guide :}
Eonwe Valar (5:34:49 PM): Do we have any Gaming News?
ArPharazonV (5:34:53 PM): I noticed a small update to the WoW branch site?
ArPharazonV (5:34:56 PM): that web?
Eonwe Valar (5:35:01 PM): I have a new unique in the ME mod, but that does it
for mine :}
(see near top of page before main meeting for more on ME mod items)
TurgonjustTurgon (5:35:51 PM): I played War of the Ring online succesfully with
Kasar, Eonwe's brother
TurgonjustTurgon (5:36:40 PM): the way to play online is somewhat ambiguous,
or whatever it's called, but once online and in the staging area, it's pretty
simple and only fun from there-on
Eonwe Valar (5:36:47 PM): the WoW page update would be Web,.. would you
care to share Maglor?
MaglorV (5:37:23 PM): Not much new, still woring on Rules and CoC, but the
current ones on Aule's site are a bit outdated.
MaglorV (5:37:28 PM): working*
MaglorV (5:38:16 PM): Plus, as we aren't sure exactly how the guild will work in WoW some of the current rules may or may-not apply
(5:38:21 PM) MLautens has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar (5:38:34 PM): those on Aulë's site are Guild rules and CoC for the entire Guild,.. we may make ones to coincide or further define things in individual games
(5:38:34 PM) MLautens has left the room.
ArPharazonV (5:38:46 PM): ? who was that?
ArathornValar (5:39:01 PM): hmmm... a ghost?
TurgonjustTurgon (5:39:02 PM): true, the general message in the CoC will remain the same, that which the Guild is based on, but we might need to adapt some of the rules for specific WoW play
MaglorV (5:39:27 PM): yeah
Eonwe Valar (5:40:21 PM): Speaking of which, I am making a call out to all Valar GUild members who will be playing World of Warcraft to e-mail me so we can discuss some of these things
ArPharazonV (5:40:36 PM): received mine?
Eonwe Valar (5:40:47 PM): I blieve so, Pharazon
ArPharazonV (5:40:53 PM): good
Eonwe Valar (5:40:54 PM): *believe
TurgonjustTurgon (5:41:45 PM): not gonna spend time emailing when my intentions where clear on that subject from the day it was announced Blizz was making a MMORPG
Eonwe Valar (5:41:50 PM): It's been decided we will not be on an RP server
ArPharazonV (5:42:05 PM): what exactly is an RP server?
Eonwe Valar (5:42:07 PM): too late, you responded on the MB and that counts :}
Eonwe Valar (5:42:24 PM): RP=Role-Play,.. typcially involves the world's own identity
Eonwe Valar (5:42:53 PM): seems some would not be friendly to our desire for a Tolkien basis on RP servers
MaglorV (5:43:02 PM): but Blizzard hasn't even decided if there will be RP servers
MaglorV (5:43:18 PM): there might not be seperate RP and non RP
ArPharazonV (5:43:22 PM): I know RP... but what is an RP SERVER?
TurgonjustTurgon (5:43:48 PM): it means people generally tend to cling to their chars more
TurgonjustTurgon (5:43:55 PM): give them own personalities
TurgonjustTurgon (5:44:02 PM): and will play accordingly
MaglorV (5:44:12 PM): exactly, it is a server where it is entirely role playing, players from seperate factions dont get along
(5:44:19 PM) Alatar Valar has entered the room.
TurgonjustTurgon (5:44:22 PM): RP also is generally the most player-friendly server
TurgonjustTurgon (5:44:25 PM): (s)
ArPharazonV (5:44:33 PM): I see...
TurgonjustTurgon (5:44:33 PM): ah, there's al
TurgonjustTurgon (5:44:39 PM): he can explain into detail
Alatar Valar (5:44:45 PM): Indeed, here is Al.
TurgonjustTurgon (5:44:54 PM): Alatar, can you explain what an RP server exactly means?
ThorondorV (5:45:11 PM): Heya Alatar
ArPharazonV (5:45:16 PM): Aiya Alatar
ArPharazonV (5:45:35 PM): 39 in list now...
Alatar Valar (5:45:50 PM): Very little, sadly. It means that medieval-sounding names are enforced, and if you speak HORRIBLY out of character in a public channel, you can get in trouble. Past that -- almost nothing is meant by RP.
ArPharazonV (5:46:21 PM): thanks
Eonwe Valar (5:46:54 PM): so, to sum it up, WoW will not be on that server :}
Eonwe Valar (5:47:00 PM): Thanks Al :}
Alatar Valar (5:47:28 PM): Ah. Now, I was speaking of Dark Age of Camelot. I have HIGH HOPES for WoW that roleplay will be enforced on designated servers!
Alatar Valar (5:48:19 PM): The primary difference between normal play and "roleplay" is whether it's a CHARACTER, or whether it's YOU. Is this "Eonwetroll" or is it Eonwe, playing his troll?
Alatar Valar (5:48:24 PM): See the distinction?
MaglorV (5:48:27 PM): but as I said before, Blizz still hasn't decided if there will be specific RP servers
Eonwe Valar (5:48:40 PM): I am Eonwë in a troll's body :}
MaglorV (5:48:40 PM): so its a moot point until they tell us yes or no
Eonwe Valar (5:48:57 PM): and later I will be Eonwë in a Dwarf's body :}
Alatar Valar (5:49:07 PM): Traditionally, Valar has been the individual behind the character, so any character we play would naturally have our personality.
Eonwe Valar (5:49:32 PM): but, we will not be on an RP server so we can be freer to be the Valar Guild, not the World of Warcraft Guild
Alatar Valar (5:49:35 PM): I have several DAoC characters that are rather evil, and you would likely not enjoy grouping with them if they were "in character."
ArathornValar (5:49:46 PM): /who
ArathornValar (5:49:48 PM): oops
Alatar Valar (5:50:02 PM): Is Blizzard even planning dedicated RP servers?
Alatar Valar (5:50:07 PM): I had not heard that.
Eonwe Valar (5:50:26 PM): maglor mentioned above they had not made a final decision
Alatar Valar (5:51:00 PM): It is a large economic investment to make unless you already know that much of your community wishes to have it.
Alatar Valar (5:51:12 PM): I suspect they will not have them, at least at first.
Alatar Valar (5:51:31 PM): If players complain and wish that suspension of disbelief, then....perhaps, they will put one up.
Eonwe Valar (5:52:44 PM): perhaps
Eonwe Valar (5:53:33 PM): As it looks, factions will be a facotr on all servers, so we will have to choose a side. Based on opinions expressed so far, and our Tolkien roots, I'd say Alliance is the way to go.
Eonwe Valar (5:53:40 PM): *factor
Alatar Valar (5:54:49 PM): As it stands now, I am planning to give WoW a try and see whether it can replace DAoC as my favorite MMORPG. I am quite hooked on the multiplayer aspect, though, and do not think I can ever get happy about a single player game again
Eonwe Valar (5:54:55 PM): and there's still plenty to discuss about WoW, so those who will be playing can get in on the discussion and decisions by e-mailing me letting me know they're interested
Eonwe Valar (5:56:48 PM): Anything else?
ArPharazonV (5:57:21 PM): does anyone want to play a leaked WoW alpha? :P
TurgonjustTurgon (5:57:56 PM): remark: is that a serious question?
Alatar Valar (5:58:29 PM): (((emails another copy of MyDoom to ArPharazon)))
ArPharazonV (5:58:36 PM): I play it sometimes, just because I can't wait to see it... and I like it so far, so it has influenced my decision to play the game
ArPharazonV (5:58:52 PM): therefore it can have a positive effect
GaldorV (5:58:59 PM): *mass emails Microsoft patch to all*
Eonwe Valar (5:59:09 PM): I would rather not play something "leaked" out, but thanks
Alatar Valar (5:59:15 PM): And how is it that you can play a WoW alpha without a server?
GaldorV (5:59:17 PM): I gotta go all, SB cardgame time
GaldorV (5:59:23 PM): Namarie
Eonwe Valar (5:59:29 PM): hf :}
Eonwe Valar (5:59:34 PM): any Tolkien Discussion?
ArPharazonV (5:59:35 PM): Namarie
Alatar Valar (5:59:43 PM): Namarie, Galdor
(5:59:44 PM) GaldorV has left the room.
ArPharazonV (5:59:53 PM): I finally saw the movie yesterday!
ArPharazonV (6:00:07 PM): bit far-fetched, Sauron as a search-light
Alatar Valar (6:00:28 PM): I must also go. I am going to Mahtan's house for the Super Bowl. I wanted to see if I could make this work, first. I'll try and attend more often, now that it's off Bnet.
ArPharazonV (6:01:15 PM): Namárië Alatar, and have fun
Alatar Valar (6:01:19 PM): Be well, and I hope to see you again soon. Namarie!
(6:01:25 PM) Alatar Valar has left the room.
Eonwe Valar (6:01:59 PM): well, let's let everyone take off for the Superbowl then :}
ArPharazonV (6:02:19 PM): Superbowl watchable in the Netherlands?
ArPharazonV (6:03:24 PM): Since when are sports more important then Tolkien?
ArathornValar (6:04:08 PM): Namarie
Eonwe Valar (6:04:11 PM): Since no one is giving a Tolkien topic
ArPharazonV (6:05:20 PM): I thought of one... yesterday
ArathornValar (6:05:20 PM): Guess I should turn the TV on...
ArPharazonV (6:05:27 PM): forgotten now
MaglorV (6:06:18 PM): lol, well I'm leaving too, namarie
TurgonjustTurgon (6:06:26 PM): write it down next time lol
(6:06:39 PM) MaglorV has left the room.
ArPharazonV (6:06:40 PM): I should, shouldn't I
ArPharazonV (6:06:56 PM): ah well... better luck next time then
Eonwe Valar (6:07:37 PM): afk for a sec
ArPharazonV (6:08:12 PM): ok, vote: what movie is the best of the 3?
ArPharazonV (6:08:50 PM): or, closer to home... what BOOK is the best of the 3?
Eonwe Valar (6:09:21 PM): Lord ofthe Rings is the best book of all 3 :}
ArPharazonV (6:09:34 PM): yes, that without a doubt...
ArPharazonV (6:10:26 PM): although I think the Silm could have beaten Lotr, had it been more detailed...
ArPharazonV (6:10:34 PM): in my opinion
ArPharazonV (6:11:02 PM): there are probably several among you who think the Silm is better then Lotr, in any case
(6:11:08 PM) Orodreth V has entered the room.
ArPharazonV (6:11:23 PM): Aiya Orodreth
Orodreth V (6:11:34 PM): Aiya
Eonwe Valar (6:11:43 PM): heya :}
Eonwe Valar (6:11:46 PM): Meeting over :}
Eonwe Valar (6:11:57 PM): well, sort of in TOlkien discussion :}
Eonwe Valar (6:12:27 PM): It's a tough call between Sil and LotR,.. appendicies make it a tought choice :}
ArPharazonV (6:13:02 PM): yes, appendices very very good...
ArPharazonV (6:13:30 PM): and so I could initiate another discussion... which appendix is the best?
Eonwe Valar (6:13:32 PM): I'm sort of a history guy, so I do tend to lean toward the Sil though
ArPharazonV (6:14:10 PM): VERY close call... Story of the Silm in Lotr-style: number 1 by far
ArPharazonV (6:14:23 PM): that's why I like Unfinished Tales
Eonwe Valar (6:14:27 PM): :}
Eonwe Valar (6:15:22 PM): Hmm, I guess the talk is pretty well dead?